Speaker 1: I'm Rebecca Greenfield, and this is how good I would
Speaker 1: be at my job if I had my life in order. Becca,
Speaker 1: this article you wrote is the best ever. Wow. Thank you.
Speaker 1: It was all thanks to my to do list. Hey Becca,
Speaker 1: congrats on your promotion ahead of the writers. It's easy
Speaker 1: to be productive when you're this organized. And the Pulitzer
Speaker 1: goes to Rebecca Greenfield for her groundbreaking series on a
Speaker 1: very important topic. I'd like to thank being organized. It
Speaker 1: has changed everything Twitter. Of course, this is a ridiculous idea,
Speaker 1: but that kind of wish fulfillment drives a ten billion
Speaker 1: dollar self help industry. We're told that one productivity hack
Speaker 1: will not just clean up your inbox but change your life.
Speaker 1: But what tools actually work and what hacks are worth it?
Speaker 1: That's what we're here to find out. Welcome to Works
Speaker 1: for Me, the show where we try to fix our
Speaker 1: workplace problems to find out what strategies will work for you.
Speaker 1: I am Franchise Believing and I'm Rebecca Greenfield. We all
Speaker 1: wish we could be the best versions of ourselves, and
Speaker 1: lucky for us, there are countless articles, apps, videos, and
Speaker 1: books that promised to make us better coworkers or spouses
Speaker 1: or human beings. Here's the key to do this. Anyone
Speaker 1: that has a goal and they're moving towards it, they're
Speaker 1: successful in this phase. I wish someone would have grabbed
Speaker 1: me a twenty five and said, I showed you already
Speaker 1: how you do it. Number one, you gotta believe in me,
Speaker 1: and number two, you gotta believe in the possibility. And
Speaker 1: so I'm here to say I've actually made a lot
Speaker 1: using these techniques. I know how they really were, but
Speaker 1: does any of this stuff actually work? On this show,
Speaker 1: we're going to try out tools and methods that promise results. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're going to be human guinea pigs. This is how
Speaker 1: we're going to do it. Each week, one of us,
Speaker 1: either Becca or Me, will present a real work life
Speaker 1: issue that she's having. Then we'll try out a self
Speaker 1: help method to solve it and report back. This week,
Speaker 1: it's Becca's turn. Becca, what is the problem you were
Speaker 1: trying to solve? So? I have trouble keeping track of
Speaker 1: all of the things that I have to do. For
Speaker 1: a long time, I didn't have a calendar album my phone,
Speaker 1: I didn't have a dedicated notebook for taking notes, and
Speaker 1: I like sporadically made to do lists, and I have
Speaker 1: this idea that if I were better about writing things down,
Speaker 1: then I would be more on top of my stuff
Speaker 1: and my work would be better. Okay, so you want
Speaker 1: to write things down more. There are a million ways
Speaker 1: to do that, right, People have apps, people have books,
Speaker 1: They've written about it. What what is your chosen method
Speaker 1: of getting there? Bullet journaling? Bullet journaling sounds violent? What
Speaker 1: is it? It's not violent. A bullet journal is a journal,
Speaker 1: a calendar, and a to do list all in one.
Speaker 1: It kind of reminds me of one of those planners
Speaker 1: that you get at the beginning of the school year
Speaker 1: in high school, but you get to decide what goes
Speaker 1: in it for your own purposes, so it's customized. Weble
Speaker 1: the pages have these dots on them instead of lines,
Speaker 1: are a blank page. That's why it's called a bullet journal.
Speaker 1: And the doctord makes it easy to create different types
Speaker 1: of calendars or spreads. So it's like a planner that
Speaker 1: you could buy in a store, only you kind of
Speaker 1: have to draw it yourself. Correct. So what made you
Speaker 1: want to be a bullet journal er? I first saw
Speaker 1: bullet journals all over Instagram. There are tons of people
Speaker 1: who post pictures of these hand drawn journal pages with
Speaker 1: the hashtag bou joe, which is short for bullet journal Joe.
Speaker 1: I get it. And the drawings are super high quality
Speaker 1: or nate. They look incredible and like a lot of
Speaker 1: things on Instagram, it feels totally inaccessible for normal people
Speaker 1: like me who have zero artistic ability. But that is
Speaker 1: also the allure. If thousands of people can do this,
Speaker 1: why can't I. It's aspirational, so it's easier to understand
Speaker 1: if I show you. So, I'm going to pull up
Speaker 1: a video from a popular bullet journaler named Amanda rachel Lee. Everyone,
Speaker 1: it's Amanda, Welcome back to my channel. October is coming.
Speaker 1: Every month, Amanda puts up a YouTube video of her
Speaker 1: setting up her bullet journal with that month's calendars to
Speaker 1: do lists, trackers and all the spreads. And so here's
Speaker 1: one from October. Now, okay, so for this month's theme,
Speaker 1: we are doing something that you guys have been asking
Speaker 1: me to do basically since I started bullet journaling. We
Speaker 1: are doing magic and wizardry. I actually also so she
Speaker 1: has very skillfully drawing witch and wizardry themed things on
Speaker 1: her journal. There's a scroll there's a cauldron, there's a hat.
Speaker 1: It looks like something I could never ever do. This
Speaker 1: does not This doesn't seem like something I would spend
Speaker 1: time on, and it looks like it takes a lot
Speaker 1: of skill. And I'm also struggling to see how this
Speaker 1: makes anyone more efficient, since she seems to be spending
Speaker 1: a lot of time making drawings. Yeah, this is just
Speaker 1: the aesthetic part of the bullet Journal. On the other page,
Speaker 1: I decided to do a quote, and of course I
Speaker 1: had to do a quote that was said by the
Speaker 1: legend herself, JK Rowling. It says we all have magic
Speaker 1: inside us, which I thought was obviously very fitting for this.
Speaker 1: The inspirational quotes from Harry Potter are also a part
Speaker 1: of this organizational system. It's not a requirement, but that
Speaker 1: is definitely part of the vibe. It's like you have
Speaker 1: to have beautiful handwriting, be really good at drying, and
Speaker 1: also be into inspirational quotes like you want your life
Speaker 1: to be better. It's part of the culture like geist
Speaker 1: of the bullet Journal. Yeah, it definitely. It seems like
Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, so the decorating part which we're watching
Speaker 1: is just the beginning of setting up the journal and
Speaker 1: she goes on to hand draw calendars. She makes something
Speaker 1: called a mood tracker to keep track of her mood
Speaker 1: throughout the month, and it's all hand drawn and decorated
Speaker 1: on theme to Harry Potter. And this happens every month, right,
Speaker 1: every single month. So it's a lot. I can't imagine
Speaker 1: trying to get organized by committing to this level of
Speaker 1: like artistry and perfection. I could never do that. That's
Speaker 1: my worst nightmare. You see that, and you think I
Speaker 1: want to say anything, Oh my, I'm I'm not good
Speaker 1: at this kind of thing at all. But I think
Speaker 1: that these people are probably so on top of their okay, right, Like,
Speaker 1: don't you just want to be the type of person
Speaker 1: that keeps a beautiful hand drawn weekly calendar and does
Speaker 1: it every week and fills it out every week, and
Speaker 1: then you've achieved all of your goals? Okay? So what
Speaker 1: we do on this show is experiment on ourselves to
Speaker 1: see if these methods really work. So you want to
Speaker 1: be better at writing things down. You've decided to try
Speaker 1: bullet journaling, So what is your experiment? What are you
Speaker 1: gonna do for my experiment? I have decided to use
Speaker 1: a bullet journal for two full months. I'm going to
Speaker 1: see if using this journal makes me any better at
Speaker 1: writing stories are doing my job. And at the end
Speaker 1: of your experiment, how will you know if bullet journaling
Speaker 1: has in fact made you more organized? I think if
Speaker 1: I can stick to it and use it every day,
Speaker 1: then it's proven to be worthwhile. I immediately discovered that
Speaker 1: there is a high barrier to entry for bullet journaling.
Speaker 1: The setup is a lot. There are YouTube videos explaining
Speaker 1: how to do it, but the possibilities for what a
Speaker 1: bullet journal can be or look like our endless. A
Speaker 1: given journal can have multiple to do lists, calendars, and trackers,
Speaker 1: so it's hard to know where to start or what
Speaker 1: to put in it. Also, there is a lot of
Speaker 1: jargon and bullet journal specific rules. This is what's called
Speaker 1: like the future log. Is what we're getting into a
Speaker 1: future log, you just kind of like at a glance,
Speaker 1: you know you've got your dates down the left side
Speaker 1: of it. You could also add a second column that's
Speaker 1: kind of just like, okay, if you do a less
Speaker 1: than symbol that is for things that you schedule. Um
Speaker 1: an open circle is kind of like the core idea.
Speaker 1: But I do a squear to do. When you finish
Speaker 1: the thing, you put an X through the dot. It's
Speaker 1: complicated to explain, it's not that complicated to do. And
Speaker 1: I think that's after I did it and I was
Speaker 1: trying to explain it to other people, they just their
Speaker 1: eyes sort of glaze over, and but as soon as
Speaker 1: you've got it, you're just like, oh, this is not
Speaker 1: complicated at all. That's Rachel will Kerson Miller. She's one
Speaker 1: of the celebrities of the bullet journal world. She wrote
Speaker 1: a book called dot Journaling, a Practical Guide. I asked
Speaker 1: her to help me set mine up, which I know
Speaker 1: is kind of cheating, but it was super helpful. All Right,
Speaker 1: we've got a term November. Wait, I miss, I think
Speaker 1: I forgot about that. Yeah. She decoded the language and
Speaker 1: helped me decide what spreads I might find useful. And
Speaker 1: after an hour and a half with her, I had
Speaker 1: a basic layout. I had a monthly calendar, an activity
Speaker 1: tracker for documenting how often I do certain habits like
Speaker 1: cleaning my apartment and making dinner. And then she showed
Speaker 1: me how to make daily to do lists and daily
Speaker 1: journal entries. The journal it's the brand called Loister m
Speaker 1: cost me twenty dollars, and then I spent another fifteen
Speaker 1: dollars on pens. I bought the Pilot Precise V five
Speaker 1: retractable pens in black, and then another pack of Pilot
Speaker 1: pens in an assortment of colors. Okay, so he spent
Speaker 1: a lot of time on the set up. How did
Speaker 1: it go from there? At first, I was very into it.
Speaker 1: About a weekend I got into the studio to talk
Speaker 1: about it. That's how excited I was. I have used
Speaker 1: up eighteen pages in one week, which I don't know
Speaker 1: what the measurement is, but that seems like a lot.
Speaker 1: And I just kind of like look forward to opening
Speaker 1: it in the morning and making my to do list, um,
Speaker 1: and then I really look forward to at night we
Speaker 1: needed to write your little night notes or I call
Speaker 1: them nine notes. It's like your journal. You look forward
Speaker 1: to writing and you wake up thinking about writing in
Speaker 1: your journal. That's yeah, that sounds into it. Yeah, I was.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, when you started a new project,
Speaker 1: you get really into it, like predictably, I do. I
Speaker 1: don't know about you, you know. I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: going to commit, and I did. And one weekend I
Speaker 1: was all about it high end life, but pretty soon
Speaker 1: I developed a love hate relationship with it. A few
Speaker 1: weeks in, I still liked it, but it quickly started
Speaker 1: to feel more like a rewarding chore, like going to
Speaker 1: the gym. I know it'll feel good once I do it,
Speaker 1: but most of the time I'd rather just sit on
Speaker 1: the couch. And then it only devolved from there. In
Speaker 1: a matter of weeks, I started having trouble fitting it
Speaker 1: into my life. Here's me, less than a month into it.
Speaker 1: I have a confession to make. I haven't done the
Speaker 1: journal part of the bullet journal. And let's see. It's
Speaker 1: opening it up. Let's see. Okay, I did it one
Speaker 1: week ago. I wrote some notes so kind of a failure,
Speaker 1: also called behind on my activity tracker, and was unable
Speaker 1: to remember all the things I did. But it's really
Speaker 1: hard because I come home at night and it's so late,
Speaker 1: I just don't do it. But tonight I'm home in
Speaker 1: like a reasonable hour, it's eight, so I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: the journal part. So I started developing these two conflicting feelings.
Speaker 1: On the one hand, I get really mad at myself
Speaker 1: for not using it, But then I started getting mad
Speaker 1: at the journal for when I did end up using
Speaker 1: it because I felt like was getting in the way
Speaker 1: of my life. Okay, so there's been a major bullet
Speaker 1: journal development. Um, I'm at dinner at an Italian restaurant.
Speaker 1: It's my birthday, and I thought of something I had
Speaker 1: to write now my bullet journal to put it on
Speaker 1: my to do list, but just talk to the lawyers
Speaker 1: at work about something important, and I put it in
Speaker 1: my bullet journal and then I got olive oil all over.
Speaker 1: But like tassels, it's just a mess anyway, just like
Speaker 1: a just a bad thing that happened. It's like I
Speaker 1: don't use my bullet journal when it's convenient, like I
Speaker 1: should be doing this like every night, and like checking in,
Speaker 1: but like I'm not going to check in tonight it's
Speaker 1: Friday night. So instead I got breaking olive oil all over. Anyway,
Speaker 1: Happy birthday to me. Wow, that was a low point.
Speaker 1: That's a little it was a little self pitying. But okay,
Speaker 1: you went from being excited to get up in the
Speaker 1: morning so that you could write in your bullet journal
Speaker 1: to like it sounds like being angry at your bullet
Speaker 1: journal for existing and demanding that you write in it.
Speaker 1: At dinner when you're it's your birthday and you'd rather
Speaker 1: just be having fun. Yeah, I really went downhill so quickly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: at this point, I'm a little demoralized, and I'm wondering
Speaker 1: why am I doing all of this? Doesn't take any time.
Speaker 1: To have a good idea, or to be creative or
Speaker 1: innovative or strategic does don't take time? What those do
Speaker 1: requires space. That is David Allen. He's arguably the creator
Speaker 1: of the entire life hack industry. He wrote a book
Speaker 1: called Getting Things Done in two thousand one, and it
Speaker 1: sold over a million copies since. I called him up
Speaker 1: at his home in Amsterdam to ask about the benefits
Speaker 1: of writing things down in my bullet journal. If your
Speaker 1: head is still wrapped around food you should have bought
Speaker 1: this morning or the last meeting you were in, and
Speaker 1: you didn't write down all the stuff that you promised
Speaker 1: somebody that you would do, or if you've got stuff
Speaker 1: that you've committed to do, then you haven't tracked that
Speaker 1: and you're still trying to use your head as your office.
Speaker 1: Your head is an absolutely crappy office, and most people
Speaker 1: are trying to use their head as their office. And
Speaker 1: it didn't evolve, or is not designed to remember, remind, prioritize,
Speaker 1: or any of that. So in David Allen's theory, the
Speaker 1: bullet journal would be the thing that is supposed to
Speaker 1: hold all of the things that are cluttering up your
Speaker 1: head right now and keeping you from doing your best
Speaker 1: work exactly. And in some ways my bullet journal was
Speaker 1: doing that. Like I was really good at the daily
Speaker 1: to do lists. We were working on this big project
Speaker 1: at the time, the Paycheck and Any series podcast about
Speaker 1: the gender pay gap that I hosted, and you also
Speaker 1: worked on Plug Go Listen, and keeping the lists help
Speaker 1: me stay on top of what could have been a
Speaker 1: very stressful and overwhelming project. In other ways, it wasn't
Speaker 1: working for me because I wasn't using it. And the
Speaker 1: thing that was particularly difficult for me to get into
Speaker 1: was the tracker. Like I said, the bullet journal can
Speaker 1: do a million things, but I'm going to talk about
Speaker 1: the tracker for a little while because I really struggled
Speaker 1: with it. More on my struggles after the break. I
Speaker 1: had made a very basic habit tracker where every day
Speaker 1: I was supposed to track if I made dinner, or
Speaker 1: clean my apartment, or did a series of other good
Speaker 1: habits and I wasn't using it. I was really beating
Speaker 1: myself up about not using this tracker. But as Rachel,
Speaker 1: my personal bullet journal sherpa told me, the whole point
Speaker 1: of the bullet journal is that it's customizable and that
Speaker 1: you can and should create something that works for you.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like you need to customize it
Speaker 1: for yourself and just sort of be realistic about your
Speaker 1: own limitations and figuring out if something's not working for you,
Speaker 1: like really narrowing in on like what the problem is,
Speaker 1: you can fix it without scrapping the whole thing. I
Speaker 1: think to like, the whole point is that like you
Speaker 1: kind of set it up one page at a time,
Speaker 1: and like you can embrace that flexibility where it's like
Speaker 1: if a weekly spread isn't working for you, you just
Speaker 1: start something new the next page and you move on.
Speaker 1: So Rachel said, I really had to figure out what
Speaker 1: my specific problem was and then I could change it.
Speaker 1: So I decided that my tracker was the problem because
Speaker 1: I was putting in all this work to collect this
Speaker 1: data of how many times I did X, Y and
Speaker 1: Z things, and then I wasn't really doing anything with it.
Speaker 1: So I decided that I needed a new tracker that
Speaker 1: collected more interesting data. Here's me explaining the tracker I
Speaker 1: chose to my boyfriend Danny. So basically, I'm going to
Speaker 1: track how much I drink every day and ounces but
Speaker 1: ounces are cups? How many cups I drink every day?
Speaker 1: And then how much I spend on it? Why did
Speaker 1: you choose to track your alcohol intake? Um? I just
Speaker 1: felt like the tracker as it was was not specific enough,
Speaker 1: Like I tracked my activities back in April, way back when,
Speaker 1: and I was just like, well, I don't really care
Speaker 1: how often I drink. I'm moren't care about how much
Speaker 1: I drink and how much I spend on it. Are
Speaker 1: you trying to reduce the amount of alcohol you consume?
Speaker 1: Why are you asking me so skeptically? This just seems
Speaker 1: like a tracker for people who want to reduce or
Speaker 1: want to drink less. No, I just want to know.
Speaker 1: I feel like you really just did this so you
Speaker 1: could draw that picture of a cocktail. I didn't even
Speaker 1: know I was going to do that until the end. Rude,
Speaker 1: Well what would you track? I would track my sleep? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't care about that. You should track the amount
Speaker 1: of times you nag me. Oh man, I got a
Speaker 1: lot of pushback on the drink tracker from Danny. Yeah
Speaker 1: you did. He I mean, I can sort of get
Speaker 1: what he's saying, which is like, why even pay attention
Speaker 1: to a habit if you're not if there's nothing about
Speaker 1: the habit that you want to change. But I could
Speaker 1: also see you said you were going to track how
Speaker 1: much money you were spending, right, So like, if you
Speaker 1: can see how much money you're spending, you might shock
Speaker 1: yourself into spending less, right, Like the expectation is that
Speaker 1: the number is going to be like, oh, I didn't realize.
Speaker 1: I thought the original tracker was dumb and I was
Speaker 1: gonna do a yeah yeah. So I wanted better data,
Speaker 1: better data, And despite the guff I got, I ended
Speaker 1: up liking that a lot better than my other tracker.
Speaker 1: I did it every day, and I actually was into
Speaker 1: the data I was collecting, which turned out to be
Speaker 1: incredibly revealing. At the end of the month, I tallied
Speaker 1: up how much I drank and how much I had spent,
Speaker 1: and it added up to a d five dollars. Here's
Speaker 1: me talking to our producer tofor about it. Do you
Speaker 1: think you're going to do anything with that information? What
Speaker 1: am I going to do with that information? I think
Speaker 1: it kind of makes me feel okay about how much
Speaker 1: I'm spending on this recreational habit and how much I'm
Speaker 1: doing it to say to myself, like I wasn't really
Speaker 1: checking myself. I wasn't like you can only spend ten
Speaker 1: dollars a day, or like you can only drink this
Speaker 1: much a week. But left to my own devices that
Speaker 1: I'm like spending a reasonable amount of money on drinking.
Speaker 1: You began this thing as a way to like clear
Speaker 1: space in your mind so that you can focus on
Speaker 1: other things. And I'm wondering, you know, does having that tracker,
Speaker 1: having this information help accomplish that goal of freeing your
Speaker 1: mind up for other things. Or maybe it's giving you
Speaker 1: a piece of mind so you're not spending as much
Speaker 1: time thinking about it. Yeah, I think so, because I
Speaker 1: have anxiety around money, Like I have anxiety around spending money,
Speaker 1: and when even when I buy a round of drinks
Speaker 1: and I do it willingly and happily because it's nice
Speaker 1: to buy people things, and um, in the back of
Speaker 1: my mind, I'm like, like a fifty dollar bill for
Speaker 1: drinks stresses me out. But now, seeing like how it
Speaker 1: balances out in a month, I think I can feel
Speaker 1: a little better. So that I think that is the
Speaker 1: beauty of the bullet Journal. The things cluttering up my
Speaker 1: mind aren't just tasks, but anxieties and guilt about my work,
Speaker 1: and the trackers and calendars and journals and to do
Speaker 1: lists help me manage those feelings. Oh wow, that's pretty
Speaker 1: deep all that. I'm a drink checker. Okay, So it
Speaker 1: sounds like you had a lot of ups and downs,
Speaker 1: but at the end you kind of came around to
Speaker 1: feeling like maybe this was even more useful than you
Speaker 1: thought it was going to be. But at the beginning
Speaker 1: you did say that you would think it was a
Speaker 1: success if you wrote in your bullet journal every day
Speaker 1: for two months. So did you do that? Yes, if
Speaker 1: that is the measurement of success, then yes I did that.
Speaker 1: I used the to do list every day. But did
Speaker 1: I become the aspirational bullet journal user? No, Let me
Speaker 1: show you my journal. This is a real reveal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so wow, this is how it started. This was the
Speaker 1: first bread I made with Rachel. That's the calendar, that's
Speaker 1: the habit tracker. You know, m hmm, some other things
Speaker 1: to do lists that looks okay, Yeah, we're looking at
Speaker 1: something that's very well used. It definitely shows that you
Speaker 1: used it a lot. I'm gonna say your handwriting is
Speaker 1: not like that great. So yeah, here's a March recap.
Speaker 1: I tried to channel my inner creative person. This is
Speaker 1: the artistic part. You've drawn three stars, like not even
Speaker 1: fancy stars, they're just they're just a little five pointed
Speaker 1: stars that you colored in, and you've kind of squiggly
Speaker 1: underlined some of the cursive writing that you did. But like,
Speaker 1: this doesn't look like the professional calligraphy that you see
Speaker 1: in the Instagram pictures. Let me show you that the
Speaker 1: infamous drink tracker. Yeah, that looks cool kind of this
Speaker 1: looks neat and tidy. Look like, this looks like a
Speaker 1: journal that you used a lot, that you've got a
Speaker 1: lot of use out of. It's I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: want to insult you, but it's not that pretty. To
Speaker 1: be fair, I was really bad at making it montage.
Speaker 1: The thing is, it really doesn't matter if it's not perfect,
Speaker 1: because you're the one who wants to look at it
Speaker 1: every day. I'm just like, so nervous to mess up
Speaker 1: that it comes out looking kind of dumb. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: this is ugly. I'm really messing up basically, like I'm
Speaker 1: getting black pen in places it shouldn't be. The hell
Speaker 1: did that happen? This pen? I don't love this pen.
Speaker 1: Oh god, it's ugly. Oh back, guy, you're you found
Speaker 1: a new thing to be hard on yourself about. You
Speaker 1: know what? That is? Correct? See, this is exactly my
Speaker 1: problem with these kinds of like d I y crafty
Speaker 1: solutions to things. It's like the the bar is pretty high,
Speaker 1: and you could be like perfectly organized and actually using
Speaker 1: your bullet journal really well, but if you're not coloring
Speaker 1: perfectly within the margins or drawing beautiful pictures of flowers,
Speaker 1: you end up feeling bad about yourself. Yeah. I didn't
Speaker 1: feel that bad about it, which is maybe even part
Speaker 1: of the problem, like I just didn't really care enough.
Speaker 1: But in the moment, I have a lot of banks
Speaker 1: that you can hear. So yeah, I don't think I
Speaker 1: will ever be like rachel Or the bullet journal experts
Speaker 1: on Instagram, but I do keep to do list now
Speaker 1: and I don't think the value of writing things down
Speaker 1: can be understated. It's not just about getting tasks out
Speaker 1: of your head so you can concentrate on other things.
Speaker 1: Although that's nice for me, it's about managing stress and anxiety,
Speaker 1: and maybe for other us it can be too m h.
Speaker 1: Next time on Works for Me, it's Francesco's turn to
Speaker 1: fix the part of her life that isn't working for her.
Speaker 1: She's going to fix her mornings. Oh good Towns Warner,
Speaker 1: we really need to get up with Christeners twist, oh
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Speaker 1: show was hosted and recorded by ME Rebecca Greenfield and
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