1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: This is the Almost Famous podcast with iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 2: Hello. I'm like, maybe we should take like every other 3 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 2: or like one of us intros, because I feel like 4 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 2: we're both always like Okay, who's going to say it? 5 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 3: Almost Famous the Ogs. 6 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 4: We're back with our finale recap Special Forces the World's 7 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 4: Toughest Test. 8 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, so good. 9 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 4: Was blown away by that episode away, right, I mean honestly, like, 10 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,599 Speaker 4: it was so incredibly intense. 11 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 3: I was, yeah, oh my gosh. 12 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,599 Speaker 4: I mean, first of all, Spoilerer, we're going to talk 13 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 4: about the finale, so get over it. You know, it's 14 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 4: all over the place now at this point. But the 15 00:00:54,600 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 4: final five, right, we had Cam Golden, Kayla, Alana Brody 16 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 4: left Ye at the start. 17 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:04,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, and. 18 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 3: Very quickly. 19 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 4: It just got ratcheted up, man, I mean it was 20 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 4: insane how intense that whole interrogation process was. And wow, 21 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 4: I mean basically waterboarding, you know, it was really Banana 22 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 4: stripped them down, had them freezing in their business, just 23 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 4: going after it, challenging everything that they think about themselves. 24 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,479 Speaker 3: And what really are their motivators, and. 25 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 4: With Alana really playing into the fact that they knew 26 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 4: she missed her family, so they were just hitting that 27 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 4: ale hard. 28 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 3: Then that woman, what kind of mother are you? It's like, 29 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 3: I know, God. 30 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 2: So in our group chat, Kayla wrote Alana and said, 31 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 2: I she's like, I don't know how you did it, Alana. 32 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 5: I would have snapped when that woman said that to her. 33 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 2: It would have been the same way I like, I mean, 34 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 2: oh my god, do you think I'm like a selfish mother? 35 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 5: But what I'm really like? I I've always. 36 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 2: Believed in the the saying or the phrase that you 37 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 2: put your oxygen mask on first. You know, you got 38 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 2: to take care of yourself before you can take care 39 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 2: of other people. And this was an opportunity for all 40 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 2: of us to grow. And obviously I think that she 41 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 2: got a lot out of it, but just to hear that, 42 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 2: because that's all of our as a mother, that is 43 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 2: your your worst fear, that you're being selfish, that you're 44 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 2: like a bad mom, you know, And for her that, 45 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 2: oh my god. 46 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 4: I was like watching it because I was so I 47 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 4: had I had a late night last night, so I 48 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 4: had to watch it this morning as I was going 49 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 4: through the airport and I had my my my earbuds 50 00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 4: in and I must have been like reacting because I'm 51 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 4: walking past people and they're like looking at me, and 52 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, oh my god, I can't believe she 53 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 4: said that. 54 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 3: It was like I must have a disaster. They must 55 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 3: have been like, why is that dude yelling by himself? 56 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 4: But I was like, I couldn't believe they went there 57 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 4: with Alana because she seems like so sweet and but like, 58 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 4: you know, it was one of those things they probably 59 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 4: they identified that and they just start picking at it, 60 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 4: picking at it, picking baby crying in her earphones and 61 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 4: oh my gosh. 62 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 2: I always said, if I made it to the last day, 63 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 2: that would have been I don't know if I could 64 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 2: have done it. 65 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 5: And she last lasted for I think they said five. 66 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 2: Hours, five freaking hours of listening to a baby crying 67 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 2: and others. I think they have other stuff in there, too, 68 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 2: but I can not, especially after they literally just showed 69 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 2: her a video and of her babies like being like 70 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 2: we miss you, mommy. You know, oh, I just pulled 71 00:03:58,600 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 2: on my heartstrings. 72 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 4: When he had Golden Tate on the other day and 73 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 4: he mentioned that that was you know, they wait till 74 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 4: that last day to to show you the videos from 75 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 4: your family, and it's like, oh my gosh, man and 76 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 4: then Cam. 77 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 3: I mean, that. 78 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 4: Guy was just right in his business, and I was surprised, honestly, 79 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 4: I was surprised at how composed Cam was to that 80 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 4: whole thing, you know, because there was some moments where 81 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 4: that guy was really pushing his buttons and trying so 82 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 4: hard to get him. 83 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 3: To just snap, you know. 84 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 4: So so okay, so let's talk about this. So we 85 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 4: got so Alana goes first. Then Cam no, no, Cam stays. 86 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 5: What are you talking about? 87 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 3: Well, I'm trying to think about how how it was 88 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 3: like when people left, like from the interrogation. Alana was 89 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 3: the first one to leave from the atarior. 90 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but but we should probably back up because 91 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,359 Speaker 2: the this is like the second day of right, you 92 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 2: know this, So let's let's go from the beginning. Let's yes, yes, 93 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 2: talk about the fact that they they started out and 94 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 2: they actually I think they did the like fighting the 95 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 2: like here whatever that red suited guyable, I. 96 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 3: Am tellit. 97 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 2: Right, like they really had to be in the zone 98 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 2: to fight and then to pull yourself out of like 99 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 2: being such an aggressor and having to tap into that 100 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 2: like that angry part of yourself where you really have 101 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 2: to fight for your life and then just switch it off. 102 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 3: Crazy. 103 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 2: I mean, when else in the world do you ever 104 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 2: have that kind of like training, you know, never ever, 105 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 2: ever would you ever like, you know, go through that 106 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 2: and get to the point where you're being like yelled 107 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 2: at to fight harder and then yelled at to stop 108 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 2: just as quickly, you know, and you crazy like you 109 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 2: just you're done. 110 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, I know. 111 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 2: I I am really freaking proud of the fact that 112 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 2: there's these two women freaking rock stars still on the show. 113 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 2: Like when I was there, I you know, I could 114 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 2: have guessed that that Brody and Cam and Golden and 115 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 2: Carrie unfortunately he got injured, we're going to be at 116 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 2: the end, you know for sure. And then it was like, well, 117 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 2: yeah you can. You can guess that more people or 118 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 2: hope that more people are going to make it. And 119 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 2: I really wanted to make it, but clearly I would 120 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 2: have been I would. 121 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:32,119 Speaker 5: Have been done. 122 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 2: I mean I could not have done what this last 123 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 2: episode was. But I mean the guys, yes, you know, 124 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 2: you think they are so physically fit that they're going 125 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 2: to make it to the end, regardless of what the 126 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 2: psychological stuff is. And so the fighting thing, I have 127 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 2: to say, it was kind of like not not a letdown, 128 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 2: but I was so ready to see the interrogation part 129 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 2: of it, like day ten and I thought, oh, they're 130 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 2: making them fight again, Like it really was intense, and 131 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 2: I think it's really good training. But from a viewer's perspective, 132 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 2: I was kind of like, Oh, well, they're just gonna 133 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 2: they're gonna fight again. You know, let's let's get you know, 134 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 2: for them, I'm sure it was not easy because everything 135 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 2: on the show is way harder in reality than we're 136 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 2: sitting on the couch, you know, watching. 137 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean and you know, you got to 138 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 4: imagine the physical because I mean that was even more 139 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 4: physical exertion than the first. 140 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 3: Fighting round that they did. 141 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 4: That one almost seemed like that one was really quick, 142 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 4: and it's like now they're sleep deprived, they're exhausted, they've 143 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 4: been mentally just put through the ringer, and now they're 144 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 4: being told like, you know. 145 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 3: Okay, fighting harder and then all of a sudden stop. 146 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 4: It's like you know, the the games that would play 147 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 4: with in your head and then and then you like 148 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 4: like I was, I was so the interrogation part was 149 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 4: sticking with me so much that I was like I 150 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 4: couldn't even think. 151 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 3: About this part of the show until you brought it 152 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 3: back up. 153 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean it was an intense moment, and 154 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 4: now you got to imagine after that they are just spent, 155 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 4: like there's nothing left in the. 156 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 2: Tank, right, totally and then emotionally spent because they show 157 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 2: all of them the videos that their family has sent 158 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 2: them from home. Which but but I also felt like, wait, 159 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 2: why does Cam only have his like production company associate saying, 160 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 2: you know, you're crushing this, Like I kind of felt 161 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 2: bad for him. I was like, oh, I wish that 162 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 2: he could have gotten that, you know, love from his 163 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 2: kids or or his you know, his baby mama. 164 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I just. 165 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 5: I don't wonder why they did that. 166 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 2: And I wonder if it, like Devil's Advocate, maybe that 167 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 2: the family just they weren't at a place where they 168 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 2: could videotape, or maybe he just doesn't like his kids 169 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 2: to be public, you know, like maybe, yeah, maybe he. 170 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 5: Just doesn't want that for them. 171 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 2: And and totally respect that, but I kind of wish 172 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 2: that he had gotten, you know, some kind of video 173 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 2: from a family member. 174 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 4: I wonder if that gave him a little bit of 175 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 4: an advantage to a certain degree, you know, because he wasn't. 176 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 3: He was like he was able to kind of stay 177 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 3: in his zone. 178 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 4: He didn't really I mean, you know, no offense to 179 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 4: any production people, but you know, at the end of 180 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 4: the day, that's. 181 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 3: Not going to hit me. 182 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 4: That conversation is not going to hit me as raw 183 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 4: and as deep as my kid crying because I'm not 184 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 4: home and being like what's going on? 185 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: You know? 186 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, just melt totally. 187 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 3: So Yeah, I wonder if that gave him a little 188 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 3: bit of a mental edge. 189 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 4: I don't know, you know, I wonder we'll have to 190 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 4: ask him or you have to ask him. 191 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 3: If we don't get the interview him, you'll have to 192 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 3: ask them. 193 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, hopefully we get to. 194 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. 195 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 5: I reached out, but I haven't heard back yet, so yes. 196 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 4: And then. 197 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 5: Oh gosh. 198 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 2: And then I think it was like they woke up, 199 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 2: or actually they didn't even wake up. It was like 200 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 2: the evening I think when the bomb started going off 201 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 2: in camp and they like I felt bad for Golden 202 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 2: because he's he's taking stuff out of his pack and 203 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 2: kind of repacking it, and he literally says, just watch them. 204 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 5: They're going to. 205 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 2: Say like get out here, you know, right as I'm 206 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 2: trying to finish this up. And I feel like that 207 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 2: was such a stressful thing when you're there, like you 208 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 2: think to yourself, should I work on my pack right now? 209 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 2: Like should I repack stuff? Or do we think that 210 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 2: they're gonna call us to do another task or whatever. 211 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:59,439 Speaker 2: So it really was stressful when you're like to mess 212 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 2: with that stuff. 213 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 5: Yes, I felt so. 214 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 2: Bad for him. 215 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 3: Well, and okay, let's think about this. 216 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 4: I bet they didn't go to sleep because first of all, 217 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 4: he didn't show them like waking up. 218 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 3: But if we remember when Q was on. 219 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 4: Our show, he had said that the last night was 220 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 4: like you go, you know, no sleep, like it's like, 221 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 4: you know, for four eight hours or something like that, 222 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 4: And so I bet you they were kind of replicating that. 223 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 4: And so imagine getting in that physical altercation in the start. 224 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,839 Speaker 3: Of the day. Then you're still running, you're still doing 225 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 3: all the other stuff. Then you're talking to. 226 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 4: Your family members, you're down, you're sad, you know. Then 227 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 4: you're getting rolled into a bombing sequence. Then you're captured, 228 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 4: you know. Well, then you're then you're. 229 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 2: Given no Then you're running like that to find Yeah, 230 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 2: you're to stay away from the hounds, oh god, and 231 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 2: the helicopters or whatever else was out there, like just 232 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 2: the stress of being hunted. 233 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 5: Literally they were being hunted. I mean that too. 234 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 2: And Caleb kept saying, you know, we need to get out, 235 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 2: get out of the road, get out of the road. 236 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 2: But it didn't seem like there was any other place 237 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 2: to go, so yeah, I oh, I just give it 238 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 2: up to him, and then of course they get captured. 239 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,959 Speaker 2: I have to say one really funny moment. I didn't 240 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 2: write this on the on the chat yet, so I 241 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 2: feel like I told you this after we recapped the 242 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 2: first episode, or maybe I maybe I didn't, But on 243 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 2: the boat I commented on you know what everyone was wearing, 244 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 2: and one of the things that stood out to me 245 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 2: was Cam was wearing a diamond anklet. 246 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,719 Speaker 3: Yeah I'm saying that, yeah, yeah. 247 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 2: Well I don't know if you noticed it, but it 248 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 2: was on him when they when he had to take 249 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 2: off all of his clothes, so you know, everyone has 250 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 2: to take off all their clothes and he takes off 251 00:12:58,400 --> 00:12:59,119 Speaker 2: his sock. 252 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 5: And the diamond anklet is on his ankle. 253 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 2: So I'm like, oh my gosh, did he have it 254 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 2: on from day one. 255 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 5: And just kept it in his sock? 256 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 2: Because that cannot be comfortable like running with that those 257 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 2: boots on. And I pretty much guarantee that he did 258 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 2: not break in his boots because he hadn't watched the show, 259 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 2: and I think he just basically showed up and he 260 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 2: I mean, he could of course correct me if I'm wrong, 261 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 2: but I just was like, oh my gosh, there's the anklet. 262 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,079 Speaker 2: It still survives. It didn't fall off when he got 263 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 2: pushed off the boat. 264 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. 265 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, or when he was like traps them 266 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 4: through the mud, or when he was in his you know, 267 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 4: a couple of different fisticuff sessions. 268 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 3: It's like stay on, you. 269 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 2: Know, I know, I know, and I can't believe he 270 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 2: kept it on like I would have. I would have 271 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 2: passed that thing over immediately, you know, to somebody and 272 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 2: said take care of this. 273 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 3: Yeah. So yeah, we had to. 274 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 4: They get captured, they're given a story that they're supposed 275 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 4: to tell, and this is actually so this is something 276 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 4: I want to talk to you about. 277 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 3: So what I thought was interesting was, you know, well, 278 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 3: first of. 279 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 4: All, they go through the the whole interrogation thing, and 280 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 4: that the female interrogator and and then the male interrogator, 281 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 4: and then they keep going to the umpire, and I 282 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 4: love the way it was shot, like you only saw 283 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 4: the umpire. 284 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 3: From here down, you know. Yeahs like, oh that's tough. 285 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 3: That's that's a tough one right there, you know. 286 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 4: And then he was commenting but uh, you know Alana 287 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 4: obviously they were challenging her as a mother, saying she 288 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 4: wasn't you know, she was selfish and she was you know, 289 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 4: she shouldn't be there, she should be with her family 290 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 4: and you know, playing on everything that like you like 291 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 4: you said, you know that whole mom guilt thing, right 292 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 4: that mom's all experience and it's like, you know, it's 293 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 4: it's horrible. And they finally broke her, right five and 294 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 4: a half hours in then it goes what was the 295 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 4: next one was? Was? 296 00:14:58,560 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was Cam. 297 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 4: It was Cam, and they finally like finally break him. 298 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 4: But they were like, oh, that's good, that's good. You 299 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 4: know he uh he should have you know, he should 300 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 4: have that was the right time to back out or whatever. 301 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 5: Well, I thought that was hard. 302 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 2: That was hard because I do want to talk about 303 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 2: Cam for a little bit. He you know, got interrogated 304 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 2: and the guy is you brought it up earlier. The 305 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 2: guy is in his face, like maybe a half of 306 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 2: an inch from his face. 307 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. 308 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 2: And and I am so impressed with how he composed himself, 309 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 2: like blown away, that he didn't react at all, Like 310 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 2: he was like stone faced, like just staring at the guy. 311 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 2: I'm like, wow, that takes a lot. 312 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, he looked so drained, like they all did at 313 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 4: that point, you know, like and I thought he looked 314 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 4: so drained, and but he was also like keeping it composed. 315 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 4: And then and then I didn't understand was that was 316 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 4: that when they took his armband. 317 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 5: No, no, so he went out. 318 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 2: They had him, They had him go out and sit 319 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 2: in the chicken coop, which is what Golden was telling 320 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 2: us about how he sat in the chicken coop. And 321 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 2: and basically like I don't know if they dug it 322 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 2: out deeper, but I feel like Cam was sitting down 323 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 2: and maybe it was because he had to because he's 324 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 2: so much bigger than Golden. But they were like, you know, 325 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 2: move your head so that they could actually put the 326 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 2: like wire, you know, change top down. And then they 327 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 2: brought in buckets of water, and I am one hundred 328 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 2: percent positive that was not warm water. That was freezing 329 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 2: cold water. 330 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 5: And they were all. 331 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 2: Already shivering uncontrollably, you know, all of them. You could 332 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 2: see Brody especially like he was so freezing cold. So 333 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 2: to be put in the chicken coop with these people 334 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 2: who are like obviously very aggressive and yelling in your face. Yeah, 335 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 2: and then the water and then the guy is like, oh, 336 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,360 Speaker 2: do you like that? And Cam's like, yeah, I like it, 337 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 2: and I'm like, no, don't say that. 338 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 5: They're just gonna do it more. 339 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, I know. So I was like, don't 340 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 3: do it, Cam, don't do it. But what's the right answer? 341 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 4: You know. It's like, I know that was confusing about 342 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 4: that part of the show for me. So like they're 343 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 4: you know, okay, let's give it. So refreshing me in 344 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 4: my mind? Why for some reason, I'm not remembering this. 345 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 4: What happened next for them to take Cam's armband. 346 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:42,439 Speaker 2: So he went into So what he said was I 347 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,880 Speaker 2: think what they told him in the beginning is that 348 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 2: you have to be your life has to be threatened 349 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 2: for you to give up your story, for you to 350 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 2: give up the reality of your story. 351 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 5: So in order to. 352 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 2: Pass selection, you have to wait until your life is 353 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 2: being threatened for you to admit that you are training 354 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 2: with special forces, and I think that they told them 355 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 2: this when they were doing the like story, you know, 356 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 2: the seaweed story, how they were collecting seaweed whatever. So 357 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 2: I think they told him that then is you have 358 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 2: to be your life has to be threatened. At least 359 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 2: I hope that they told them, because it is a 360 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 2: very very fine line. Like Cam his life is not threatened, 361 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 2: but they but they I think they poured the water 362 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 2: on him, and then I want to say, he told 363 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 2: them then, so he wasn't his life wasn't being threatened. 364 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 2: They took him into another room and he had to 365 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 2: wait for the umpire to come in, and I. 366 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 5: Felt like I felt kind of bad for him. 367 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 2: I felt like he I mean, if they told them 368 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 2: that you're life has to be threatened for you to 369 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 2: give up the true story, then I understand. But if 370 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 2: they didn't, then it is very like it's a very 371 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 2: fine line with who passes and who doesn't. 372 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 4: That's what I was gonna say, because then with Golden, 373 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 4: like I would think, and I'm sure Golden was first 374 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 4: of all, he was delirious. 375 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:23,919 Speaker 3: You could just tell he was just sort of like. 376 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: Slammed delirious, and they they he falls in the water 377 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: and they're like, yeah, Phail, and it's like, hold on, 378 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: he still hasn't spilled the story. 379 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 4: Like in my mind, he was doing the right thing 380 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 4: by not spilling, like by handing out with a story 381 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 4: as long as possible. But I guess at that point 382 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 4: they're like, Nope, you got to you gotta spill the 383 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 4: story because. 384 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 3: Your life is threatened or whatever. 385 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 4: But yeah, that was a little confusing to me because 386 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 4: I felt like I was I was kind of on 387 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 4: the fence about how I felt about Cam being taken 388 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 4: what I thought was too early, and then Golden staying 389 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 4: as long as he could and then they take him. 390 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,880 Speaker 2: It's like, hold on, I know eight, So I want 391 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 2: to comment on. So Golden is on the the plank 392 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 2: essentially she's walking the plank, and Kayla is sitting down 393 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 2: with her laces zip tied and to the cement block 394 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 2: and on the chat as well. Kayla was like, I'm 395 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 2: pissed because it was so good, like how Golden like 396 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 2: snapped finally snapped on the interrogator and Golden was like, 397 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 2: remind me, remind me what was said. He can't remember, 398 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 2: and then she put something along the lines of you're 399 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 2: not going to touch me, and you're for damn sure 400 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 2: not going to touch her. So he totally stood up 401 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 2: for her. And I think that's probably when they pushed 402 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 2: pushed him in Yeast, which I love. And another funny 403 00:20:52,800 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 2: thing from the text is Golden wrote, Brodie, your alcohol 404 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 2: haul in tattoo Parlors is a thing. Huh. He's like 405 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 2: because they kept bringing up like the woman was like, 406 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 2: oh so you like alcohol or something, and he was 407 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 2: kind of like, what are you talking about? 408 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:16,160 Speaker 4: Right, I know, He's like, where'd you get this tattoo? 409 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:16,360 Speaker 1: Oh? 410 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 3: That was? That was? That was I was a night 411 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 3: of drinking or whatever. It was almost like he at 412 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 3: that point, you know. 413 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 2: He totally did that was that was actually a funny moment. 414 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 2: Like it's funny because they have said I don't know 415 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 2: if Golden said this on his social media, but basically 416 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 2: like they are He's like, they are so mean, but 417 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 2: they're also like really nice in instances, so you like 418 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 2: get drawn in and you think, oh, like we're going 419 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:45,959 Speaker 2: to be friends. 420 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 5: Oh no, you're not going to be friends. They are 421 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 5: just playing you. 422 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 3: They're playing like a fiddle. 423 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,919 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I mean at that point we're looking at 424 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 4: these guys who are just beyond right. I mean, they 425 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 4: are completely exhausted, Like Golden couldn't even hold the hardest 426 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 4: hold his head up. Uh, I know, it was insane, right. 427 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 4: And then I mean, and then Brody and Kayla left 428 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 4: at the end, and man, what a what a what 429 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:17,120 Speaker 4: a journey for those two man, I mean for everyone, 430 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 4: I mean, especially for all of y'all, it was a 431 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 4: huge journey, but for those particularly those last five, it 432 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 4: was kind of like, wow. 433 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 2: Oh my god, we have to bring up the Brody 434 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 2: part about how he was getting like they were basically 435 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 2: gonna drown him. His eyes looked like like he was like, 436 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 2: oh my god, they're for real, They're gonna drown me. 437 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 4: I wonder if we have to ask him, like was 438 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 4: he like just didn't think he was like a step 439 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 4: away from dying. 440 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 3: I bet he did. 441 00:22:55,080 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 2: I mean, it seemed like he was legitimately worried for 442 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 2: his life, you know, I mean, you know that it's 443 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 2: a television show. But at the same time, they're they're 444 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 2: pushing him down into the water. And again I don't 445 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 2: think it was warm water. That was freezing cold water. 446 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 3: Oh my god. 447 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 2: So anyway, I was like, wow, the fact that he 448 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 2: was in that, like it's basically like a pig, like 449 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 2: a slot. 450 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 5: What do you call it, a not a slock, a 451 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 5: trough whatever, a trough something like that. 452 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 2: Yes, I was blown away that they did that to him, 453 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 2: And then Kayla with the cement block around her feet wondering. 454 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 2: He's like, Okay, I'm gonna push it, and she's like no, no, no, 455 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 2: I'll tell you. 456 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 5: I'm like, good girl, thank god. 457 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 3: I'm so glad they did. I mean, I don't I 458 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 3: doubt they would have because that would just be like yeah, 459 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 3: next level, but totally at that point, I guarantee you 460 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 3: she didn't know what. 461 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 2: They were going to do, you know, I know, right, 462 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 2: I mean she had been tortured. 463 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't. 464 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 4: Even know what they're gonna do. They might have done 465 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 4: it if they had a scuba and. 466 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 2: If they I was just gonna say, they might have 467 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 2: had divers down there anyway, even if like if someone 468 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 2: fell in and needed them, I bet they had divers 469 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 2: down there. Yeah, I mean, I just am so impressed. 470 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,479 Speaker 2: They really truly crushed it. But I and I wrote 471 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 2: on the chat, I'm like, kudos, massive kudos to the 472 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 2: final five, Like I want to include like Alana and 473 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 2: Cam and Golden in this too. I know that obviously 474 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 2: Brody and Kayla make it to the end, but I 475 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 2: feel like Cam and Golden especially were really they went 476 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 2: through like the torture part of it, and then they 477 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 2: just ended up, you know, not saying that they were 478 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 2: actually there for special Forces training soon enough, you know, 479 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 2: or maybe late enough. I don't know between soon enough 480 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 2: and late enough. 481 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 3: Cam said it too soon and Golden didn't say. 482 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 5: It at all, you know, so right right too, totally. 483 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, It's just I mean, honestly that that was 484 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 4: the only part of the show there was a little 485 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 4: confusing to me because I felt like it was a 486 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 4: little you know, a little subjective, like they were kind 487 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 4: of like, you know, well, I don't know, it was 488 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 4: like the fine line that. 489 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 3: I couldn't tell, you know, why one thing was going 490 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 3: to happen over another. 491 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 4: But it was intense. I mean, yeah, that whole interrogation thing. 492 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 4: At first, I was thinking like, oh, that's kind of silly, 493 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 4: you know, I would just be like whatever, random person, 494 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 4: you know, But then after a while, it's like, no, 495 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,719 Speaker 4: they're hitting on every nerve. They've watched everything about you 496 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 4: from this entire time you've been there. Probably the footage, 497 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 4: a lot of footage we didn't even see, and they're 498 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 4: just going at you on all these things that they 499 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 4: know are your little Achilles heels, you. 500 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 5: Know, totally. 501 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, we didn't mention this part, but when they were running, 502 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 2: like Golden had fallen into like a stream or something, 503 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 2: and his boots were wet the whole time. Like, so 504 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 2: you go from being wet and cold and really tired 505 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 2: to being tortured for half of a day. Essentially, I 506 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 2: just I give it up to them. They just they 507 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,959 Speaker 2: freaking crushed it. 508 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 3: I mean, think about it this way. 509 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:29,400 Speaker 4: They were during that interrogation period, they never sat down, right, 510 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 4: I mean for the most part, they were standing the 511 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 4: whole time. 512 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 2: They did sit down when they like Golden was sitting 513 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 2: on that chair like the guy kept saying, put your 514 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 2: hands by your side, so they did have him sitting, 515 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,120 Speaker 2: and Cam was sitting in a chair. And then for 516 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 2: like the what do you call them, the torture positions, 517 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 2: like when they had to hit hands above their head, 518 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 2: they were sitting. 519 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 5: I think for part of that too. 520 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 4: I think my back would hurt so bad because you know, 521 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 4: like when you're when you're cold and standing, and then 522 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 4: you're in that torture position. Everything I would feel like 523 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 4: I would start cramping, like I would just be like. 524 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 2: Same, I just be dying, same I. I. I talked 525 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 2: to the medics prior, you know how they weren't gonna 526 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 2: clear me. 527 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, and part. 528 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 2: Of it they said, well, if you're putting these torture positions, 529 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 2: you're you're gonna have to be like I could because 530 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 2: I said, I think they ask can you sit across 531 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 2: you know, chriss cross apple sauce? Can you sit cross legged? 532 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:34,439 Speaker 5: Or on your knees? 533 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 2: And I think I told them at some point that 534 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 2: those bothered me. Those positions really bother me because of 535 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 2: my back, and all I could think of was how 536 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 2: I would be really uh uncomfortable and probably would say, Okay, 537 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 2: I'm out. I really can't. I can't sit like this. 538 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 2: It's just too painful, especially. 539 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 4: At that stage of the game, because you would have 540 00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 4: been so fatigued so right, you know, like just beaten down, 541 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,919 Speaker 4: and then it's like another thing. Like That's what I 542 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,959 Speaker 4: was thinking when I was watching those guys just getting 543 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 4: chewed out, was I was like, God, another thing, you know, 544 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 4: like you're soaking wet, you're freezing, you're you got this 545 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 4: dude in your face, you haven't slept in twenty four hours. 546 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 4: It's like you got a big fight the day before, 547 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 4: you know, or earlier this day or whatever. And it's 548 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 4: just like, gosh, man, an emotional toll that has to 549 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 4: take on someone at that point is got to beat 550 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 4: just next level, I know. 551 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 2: And I kept thinking, oh my gosh, this has got 552 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 2: to be like PTSD for everybody watching, Like I can't 553 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 2: imagine having gone through that and watching it again, like 554 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 2: it would bring back all of those feelings. So I 555 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 2: am hopeful that we can get you know, these guys 556 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 2: on to talk about this final day because oh, actually 557 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 2: Kayla did say in her stories today that she had 558 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 2: pta s watching it. Yes, I mean really like having 559 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 2: to go through it's kind of like, I mean, it's 560 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 2: not like this at all, really, but when you watch 561 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 2: the Bachelor or the Bachelorette and you're like, you know, 562 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 2: having to put yourself back in that in that frame 563 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 2: of mind and you're like, oh, why did I say 564 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 2: that or why did I do that or whatever, And 565 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 2: this is obviously very different, but I feel like it's 566 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 2: it's a little traumatizing to have to watch yourself and 567 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 2: not to have to I'm sure they they're not being 568 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 2: forced to watch it, of course, but but yeah, I 569 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 2: just I'm so proud of them. It's not for me 570 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 2: to say that I'm proud of him. I mean, please, 571 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 2: I was only there for two days too. 572 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 4: Plus No, but you're part of a You're part of 573 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 4: a very special group of people that did something you know, 574 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 4: very intense together and even though you know, people left 575 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 4: at different times, it was you know, we always said 576 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 4: from the from the top of this show, it wasn't 577 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 4: about winning. It was a about you know, proving to 578 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 4: yourself that you could overcome these things. 579 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 3: And you guys all. 580 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 4: Overcame things, and so I think it's it's pretty remarkable, 581 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 4: you know, just the fact that you all went through it. 582 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 4: You're all still on this text thread and talking about it, 583 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 4: which I'm sure is very helpful for everyone to be 584 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 4: able to do that with each other. And you know, 585 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 4: because you guys are the only ones who went through this, 586 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 4: you know, and it's pretty it's pretty awesome. I think 587 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 4: it's I think it's a really cool experience and I'm 588 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 4: really I'm really happy that. 589 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 3: You did it. Like, obviously we got to talk a 590 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 3: lot about it and stuff. 591 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 4: I'm happy that you did it for you, and I'm 592 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 4: really happy that I got to like see a different 593 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 4: side of like I mean, I said it from a 594 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 4: couple of weeks ago, But Brody, I feel like, is 595 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 4: the person who not that he needed it, but got 596 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 4: such redemption, such character redemption out of this show by 597 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 4: being this guy who all of a sudden is vulnerable 598 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 4: and is like, I get what everybody thinks about me, 599 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 4: you know, and yeah, you like I use even saying 600 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 4: he's like from the interrogation thing, I think he was 601 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 4: the one that said, you know, you have these things 602 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 4: like sometimes you know, when something embarrassing happens in your life, 603 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 4: and these paparazzi guys will be like throw it in 604 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,479 Speaker 4: your face when you're walking on the street with your 605 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 4: mom or something, and it's he's like, and you got 606 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 4: to like call you got to keep it together, and 607 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 4: you can't strike out at him because. 608 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 3: Then it's even going to get worse. 609 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 4: And and it was interesting because I do remember times 610 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 4: like that in my past where you know, they'd be 611 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 4: yelling stuff and you'd be. 612 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 3: Like, oh my god, this guy, you know, like, why 613 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 3: would he do that. He's trying to get a reaction 614 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 3: out of me. Don't give him one, you know. 615 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 4: And so I mean, you know, Brodie, I think she 616 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 4: really showed a different side of himself. And I think that, 617 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 4: you know, it was obvious that it meant a lot 618 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 4: to the DS as well, that you know that he 619 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 4: went through. 620 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 3: That because they were very very high on him. 621 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 2: It seemed yeah, totally, and they still are there. I 622 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 2: feel like they're they'll be close friends for life, you know. 623 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 2: I also want to say, like Alana said that she 624 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 2: wasn't taken seriously, you know, she isn't taken very seriously 625 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 2: as a professional surfer, and I want to say, well, 626 00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 2: now she'd better be, because holy crap, she proved herself 627 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 2: she is a beast. I mean basically, you know, proving 628 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 2: to everybody that she could be at the front of 629 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 2: the line and and and crushing it. So I want 630 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 2: to say props to Alana for like, you know, for 631 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 2: crushing it and and proving to these people who haven't 632 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 2: you know, given her. 633 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 5: What what was the word what? 634 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 2: Who haven't taken her personally, haven't taken her seriously? So I, yeah, 635 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 2: I think that that's really cool. I think that Kayla's 636 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 2: story about how you know, the relationship with Travis and 637 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 2: internet trolls coming after and she really, I think feel 638 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 2: like came into her own, you know, she she found 639 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 2: her power within her and I think that that that 640 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 2: was so cool to watch to see her come into that, 641 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 2: you know, come into her own and really feel that 642 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 2: you could really feel her confidence coming through at the end, 643 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 2: like I freaking did this. You know, she's got to 644 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 2: be on Cloud nine today, so you know, not that 645 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 2: today is the day, like I'm sure she was on 646 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,959 Speaker 2: Cloud nine when it happened, but yeah, it was. It 647 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 2: was just really cool to see. And I know that 648 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 2: obviously we've had women win this show in the past 649 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 2: with Hannah Brown and you know, the soccer player and 650 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 2: then the Olympic the Olympic athlete on the second season, 651 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 2: so it's not like women can't do it, but I just, 652 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 2: you know, as a woman, I'm here for it, love 653 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 2: to see it. 654 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 3: Yeah heck yeah. 655 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 4: I mean honestly, I thought I thought that that whole 656 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 4: Top five was lights out, like next level. 657 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 2: Okay, So but we have to I think finish the 658 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 2: pod with talking about how who you predicted was going 659 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 2: to be at the end and what what actually happened? 660 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 2: What were your predictions again, I said it was. 661 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:18,839 Speaker 3: Going to be down. 662 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 4: I thought it was going to be down to carry Golden, 663 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 4: Cam and Brody. So I got three out those four, 664 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 4: and then I thought Kayla, so I knew she was 665 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 4: going to be in there, and I and I and 666 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 4: I really did. I thought Brody was going to win it. 667 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,479 Speaker 4: But I think I don't think. I I'm not sure 668 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,279 Speaker 4: what I said. I think I want to say I 669 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,320 Speaker 4: think that I said Cam or Brody was going to 670 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 4: win it. 671 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 2: I want to say that you thought it was all 672 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:48,279 Speaker 2: four of the guys, and yeah, maybe through Kayla in there. 673 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but I I'd love to go back 674 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,399 Speaker 2: in here. If you don't, we'll have to go back 675 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 2: and listen to the first episode. 676 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,240 Speaker 4: I I know, I know, I remember thinking to myself 677 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 4: because I just thought, like just sheer physicality. I thought Cam, 678 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 4: Carrey and Golden and Brody. I know I said that, 679 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 4: and then but I also that was right after the 680 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 4: fight episode when Kayla went like a bulldog lights out, 681 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,360 Speaker 4: you know, just beaten people. 682 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 3: And I was like, hold on, hold on, this is 683 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:22,759 Speaker 3: you know, this is impressive. 684 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 4: I did not have Alana in there, and I regret 685 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,840 Speaker 4: that because you know, I think, I guess, I guess. 686 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 4: You know, you're looking at a standpoint of I'm thinking 687 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,399 Speaker 4: a navy seal in my head, and so I'm thinking 688 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,800 Speaker 4: it's got to be this, you know, this beefcake person. 689 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 3: You know. 690 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 4: And man, I will say, like watching that show from 691 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 4: the very beginning of it, it was an emotional journey. 692 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 4: This last episode, well, well for me, the whole damn season, 693 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 4: but this last episode in particular, like it started off, 694 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 4: I was just like, oh my god, they've got to 695 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 4: be just so beaten down, you know, like you almost 696 00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:58,240 Speaker 4: like go there. 697 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 3: With them, you know, as a viewer. But I think 698 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 3: such a cool show, you know. 699 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 5: I agree. 700 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 2: I was going through I'm gonna make a reel of 701 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 2: kind of like behind the scenes of me and in 702 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 2: London before and after, and and I was going through 703 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 2: video and pictures last night, and one of the videos 704 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 2: that I went through was me just kind of sharing 705 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:27,400 Speaker 2: just selfie mode, you know, what what had happened and. 706 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,280 Speaker 5: How I was feeling and everything. 707 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,840 Speaker 2: And and I was like, and I can't wait to 708 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,920 Speaker 2: take a shower. I mean, it was the best shower 709 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 2: so I can't even imagine what these five were feeling. 710 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 3: How was how was it for you watching it? 711 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 4: Like, I mean, were you I mean having been a 712 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,920 Speaker 4: part of the show like you were, and I mean, 713 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,840 Speaker 4: how how was it for you watching the finale? 714 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:51,880 Speaker 3: Was it? 715 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 1: Like? 716 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 3: Were you happy watching it? Were you sad? Were you 717 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,320 Speaker 3: were you you know, were like were you. 718 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,880 Speaker 4: Like like bummed out that, like did you regrets like 719 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,399 Speaker 4: you know anything when you were watching it. 720 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:08,400 Speaker 2: I definitely have flipped back and forth through the whole season, 721 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 2: including last night. 722 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,480 Speaker 5: You know, part of me really wanted to be there. 723 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,439 Speaker 2: I mean I was There's a quote that I saw 724 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 2: something about just don't quit, and Ryan was like, just 725 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,799 Speaker 2: don't quit, like period, end of story, just don't quit. 726 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 2: And I essentially quit. But I think that I followed 727 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 2: what my body was telling me, Like I was at 728 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,759 Speaker 2: such a peaceful place when I made that decision, and 729 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,239 Speaker 2: I really hate feeling like a burden, and I was 730 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:51,240 Speaker 2: really feeling like a burden. And then I flipped to, well, 731 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 2: I didn't have to participate in the fight because three 732 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,239 Speaker 2: people went home with broken bones, so thank god I 733 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:02,480 Speaker 2: didn't break any bones. And then just the running like 734 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 2: in between the tasks, like I really really had a 735 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,799 Speaker 2: hard time with it, and and I feel like like 736 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:15,879 Speaker 2: that hike, the the hike where Kyla and Christy. 737 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 5: Both lefty did you see that? Did you watch that? 738 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 5: Did we recap that? 739 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,279 Speaker 2: Okay, so the hike, I was like, oh, I would 740 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,919 Speaker 2: have been out. I feel like I would have been 741 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:33,240 Speaker 2: out before the last day anyway because of that hike. 742 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:38,359 Speaker 2: I mean, the fact that Kyla made it as far 743 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 2: as she did, and she like didn't make it like shevw'd. 744 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:43,839 Speaker 5: On the hike. 745 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 2: We were you know, we were about the same in 746 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 2: terms of our ability to run in between tasks with 747 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:57,840 Speaker 2: our heavy rocks on our back. So I don't I 748 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,319 Speaker 2: feel like, realistically I wouldn't have made it to the 749 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:05,920 Speaker 2: finale anyway, knowing what happened after I left, right, So 750 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,160 Speaker 2: it's hard because it's like there's just this internal battle 751 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 2: of should I have left? Well, you you didn't want 752 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 2: to feel like a burden anymore, and you didn't get 753 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:15,960 Speaker 2: you didn't end up getting hurt. 754 00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,279 Speaker 5: But could you have stayed for longer? Maybe? 755 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:22,600 Speaker 2: You know it's like my little demons an angel. 756 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,759 Speaker 4: Well, you know your rationale when you left the show, though, 757 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,600 Speaker 4: I thought was very respectful and you know, to go 758 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,399 Speaker 4: along with the with the whole purpose of this show, 759 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,560 Speaker 4: which is you know, these guys, you know, they said 760 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,280 Speaker 4: it more than once, so like we're trying to figure 761 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 4: out who we would essentially select to be with us 762 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,799 Speaker 4: in the field when we're going through this stuff. And 763 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:45,279 Speaker 4: for you, when you left, you know, you were like, 764 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,920 Speaker 4: I have so much respect for what are you know, 765 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 4: servicemen and women do, and I I just don't want 766 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,920 Speaker 4: to be a burden to my team or my class 767 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 4: or whatever you said. I thought it was really of 768 00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:00,880 Speaker 4: all the reasons to leave to me, feeling like you 769 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,400 Speaker 4: don't want to let your team down and you're a 770 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,279 Speaker 4: burden to your team and you can see that and 771 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,680 Speaker 4: it's it's respectful, you know. It was like it wasn't 772 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,640 Speaker 4: like I'm leaving, you know, I'm still I'm still irritated 773 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:13,399 Speaker 4: why Stephen Baldwin left. 774 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 3: You know, I really shouldn't be here. But should I 775 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:17,040 Speaker 3: be here? Could I get hurt? 776 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,120 Speaker 4: I don't know, maybe I will, but I have this 777 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,719 Speaker 4: role coming up, and it's like, come on, you know, 778 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,400 Speaker 4: just go, you know. But it was like it was 779 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,160 Speaker 4: like a struggle for you to go, and it was 780 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 4: a struggle for Ali and it was a struggle, you know, 781 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 4: because because you guys were really going for it, you know, 782 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:33,960 Speaker 4: and I think that I think it's respectful. 783 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:34,319 Speaker 3: I guess. 784 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,200 Speaker 5: So what I'm trying to say, thank you, thank you. 785 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,160 Speaker 2: I know, I keep telling myself, you know, those little 786 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:44,120 Speaker 2: things like, you know, just reminders of how I was 787 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,400 Speaker 2: feeling and things like that that I feel like it 788 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,520 Speaker 2: did leave in a respectful way. But still, you know, 789 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,959 Speaker 2: the devil is still very active and it always will 790 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,640 Speaker 2: be so. I but I feel like I learned a 791 00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,919 Speaker 2: little bit that, you know, especially after talking to DS 792 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 2: Billy and Rudy here on the podcast. They were like, 793 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,480 Speaker 2: this is you did the best that you could. We 794 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,680 Speaker 2: could see that you were doing the best that you can. 795 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,960 Speaker 2: So I guess the like learning lesson, not just for me, 796 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:17,000 Speaker 2: but for anybody listening is don't be down on yourself 797 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:22,560 Speaker 2: if you're not the strongest or the fittest, or the tallest, 798 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:26,480 Speaker 2: or the skinniest or the you know what I mean, whatever, Yeah, 799 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,879 Speaker 2: just do you just do you? And you know, all, 800 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,800 Speaker 2: thank God, there are people in this world like Billy 801 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 2: and Rudy and Q and Foxy who sacrifice so much 802 00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:45,480 Speaker 2: for our freedom and and I'm like, you know, I'm 803 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:49,279 Speaker 2: not that person, but I have so much respect for 804 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:50,640 Speaker 2: those people me too. 805 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,880 Speaker 4: You proved it to yourself that I mean, well, you 806 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:54,520 Speaker 4: proved it to me anyway. I think you proved it 807 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,919 Speaker 4: to a lot of people watching too, that you got 808 00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,880 Speaker 4: what it takes lady. You got out there and you 809 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,000 Speaker 4: were tough, and you were committed. Thank you, and you 810 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:03,600 Speaker 4: got out when it was the right time for you 811 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 4: to get out. 812 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,280 Speaker 3: And everybody's exit point is different, right, and so totally 813 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:07,560 Speaker 3: you know. 814 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:12,080 Speaker 4: That's that's fully uh do that's worthy of everyone's respect too. 815 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,040 Speaker 3: So I think it was really great, really a great show, 816 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:15,279 Speaker 3: and I'm bombed. 817 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:16,879 Speaker 4: It's over, but I'm glad we get to talk about 818 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,200 Speaker 4: I Holds a few more times with some more of 819 00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:20,000 Speaker 4: the people that were on the. 820 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:20,400 Speaker 3: Show with you. 821 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:26,480 Speaker 2: Yes, we're we are planning on having Alana and Kyla 822 00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,239 Speaker 2: and Kayla. We've got those three lined up, so those 823 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,600 Speaker 2: will get me coming in the future, everybody, and then 824 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:37,880 Speaker 2: hopefully we can get carry on and Cam and Brody. 825 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,880 Speaker 5: I would love to get Landing on. But I don't 826 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:41,640 Speaker 5: know that he. 827 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,840 Speaker 2: Is, you know, doing any press for it or interested 828 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,080 Speaker 2: in talking about it. I think he's pretty bummed that 829 00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,759 Speaker 2: that he had to leave because of Shan Ribs. So 830 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,759 Speaker 2: who knows, maybe in the future we will oh yeay, okay, 831 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,480 Speaker 2: Kyla just wrote me back, so we're we're going to 832 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:04,040 Speaker 2: be able to at least talk to the three of 833 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:08,640 Speaker 2: them and then and then relive it, you know, in 834 00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:10,719 Speaker 2: the next couple weeks. So I just want to say 835 00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:16,000 Speaker 2: thank you for everyone listening and supporting. And I loved 836 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,680 Speaker 2: the show. I loved being part of it. Never ever 837 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,080 Speaker 2: would have thought in my wildest dreams that this is 838 00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,640 Speaker 2: something that I would have signed up for. But I'm 839 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,160 Speaker 2: proud of myself. I'm proud of myself for just taking 840 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:33,560 Speaker 2: that leap of faith and challenging myself, especially at fifty 841 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:38,719 Speaker 2: two years old. So anyway, I'll be really excited to 842 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:43,560 Speaker 2: see the next season who they ask, because you know, 843 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,600 Speaker 2: I'm putting in my husband's name for sure. 844 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:47,839 Speaker 5: I know. 845 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,200 Speaker 2: I am hopeful that they will actually like put him 846 00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:56,400 Speaker 2: on the show. But oh, this is actually a good question, 847 00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,120 Speaker 2: and I do have to go after this, But who 848 00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:03,040 Speaker 2: do you think? Who do we think would be another 849 00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,360 Speaker 2: good person from Bachelor Nation to have on because obviously 850 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:11,280 Speaker 2: they have at least one person from Bachelornation on each season, 851 00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:13,960 Speaker 2: who do you what would you be your prediction about 852 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,879 Speaker 2: who they would ask interesting? 853 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,880 Speaker 4: Well, I'd like to see Ryan, yeah, I and you know, 854 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,080 Speaker 4: I think would be interesting on there would maybe be 855 00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,880 Speaker 4: Matt James. You know, Matt James is like a big runner, 856 00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:28,600 Speaker 4: big athlete. 857 00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:33,160 Speaker 2: Right and he's he's got a lot of things going on. 858 00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:34,960 Speaker 3: Right now, a lot of demons, a lot of demons 859 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:35,880 Speaker 3: he's working through right now. 860 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,319 Speaker 5: Maybe the things he's working through. 861 00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, and they could, you know, they would probably want 862 00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:43,839 Speaker 4: to I want to go after that a little bit, 863 00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:45,840 Speaker 4: I would think, And you know, so I think that 864 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:46,840 Speaker 4: would be really interesting. 865 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:48,600 Speaker 3: I think he'd be a good one. 866 00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:50,360 Speaker 4: He just strikes me as a good athlete too, like 867 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,640 Speaker 4: as someone who I think would be, you know, able 868 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:54,320 Speaker 4: to compete well on that show. 869 00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,640 Speaker 2: And he's friends with Tyler Cameron who won the second season. 870 00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:59,319 Speaker 3: Yeap, So there's that. 871 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,000 Speaker 4: And then let's see I want to think of a 872 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,640 Speaker 4: couple former athletes too, But I'll save it. I'm gonna 873 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,200 Speaker 4: think on it. I'm want to think on that so 874 00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:07,640 Speaker 4: that when we get on the air next time we 875 00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,359 Speaker 4: can talk about it. But I would think I would 876 00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:11,840 Speaker 4: think there's a lot of people who've retired in the 877 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,919 Speaker 4: last couple of years who might be really. 878 00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:14,359 Speaker 3: Good on that show. 879 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,000 Speaker 2: I feel like I would really love to have another bachelorette, 880 00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,160 Speaker 2: like a lead, a. 881 00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:21,160 Speaker 3: Lead Jojo. 882 00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:26,600 Speaker 5: Jojo. Yes, love that idea. 883 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,640 Speaker 2: I was gonna say Caitlyn, but Caitlyn has put on 884 00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:33,000 Speaker 2: her stories that she's like, uh, no way, I will 885 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:39,520 Speaker 2: ever do that showing. 886 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,239 Speaker 4: On there, because you know, I mean, well, actually, maybe 887 00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,040 Speaker 4: even Jojo and Jordan, maybe they. 888 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,080 Speaker 5: Put a couple on there do it together. 889 00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:44,239 Speaker 3: That would be pretty. 890 00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,879 Speaker 4: Athletic, right, Jordan's a former college football player, and yeah, 891 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:49,200 Speaker 4: that'd be interesting. 892 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:53,120 Speaker 2: Maybe those would be good. I like that idea. We'll 893 00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:57,240 Speaker 2: have to ask Ashley because she clearly has the power. 894 00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,080 Speaker 5: She knew I was going to get asked. 895 00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, she did, she did. 896 00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:03,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, all right. 897 00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,520 Speaker 4: Well, thanks everybody, Thanks to you, Thank you Trista Sutter, 898 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,360 Speaker 4: Thanks for everyone listening to Almost Famous the Og podcast. 899 00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,480 Speaker 4: We're not done. We're not done with the toughest test. 900 00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:14,120 Speaker 4: We're going to come back with a few more of those. 901 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,800 Speaker 4: But make sure you stick around and find us wherever 902 00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:24,600 Speaker 4: you find podcasts by Everybody,