1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio News. 2 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 2: Good morning. 3 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 3: I'm Nathan Hager and I'm Lisa Matteo. Here are the 4 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 3: top stories we're following today. 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:18,119 Speaker 4: Lisa, we begin at the White House, where President Trump 6 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 4: says he has accepted an honor he has long said 7 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:24,080 Speaker 4: he deserves. The President says Venezuelan opposition leader Maria Cariina 8 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 4: Machado presented him with her Nobel Peace Prize medal during 9 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 4: a White House meeting. In a social media post, the 10 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 4: President called it a wonderful gesture of mutual respect. Machado 11 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 4: compared it to a similar gesture two hundred years ago, 12 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 4: when the Marquis de Lafayette presented a medal of George 13 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:43,160 Speaker 4: Washington to Venezuela's Simon Boulouvar for liberating much of South 14 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 4: America from Spain. 15 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 5: The people of Believer are giving back to the hair 16 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 5: of Washington a medal. 17 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 3: In this case, a medal of the Nobel Peace Prize, as. 18 00:00:55,640 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 6: A recognition for his unique commitment. 19 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 7: With our freedom. 20 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 4: Maria Karina Machado may be hoping to get in President 21 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 4: Trump's good graces after the ouster of Nicolas Madoro. The 22 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 4: President has said she doesn't have the support or respect 23 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 4: to run her country, clearing the way for Venezuela's Vice 24 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 4: president Delsi Rodriguez to take over as acting president. 25 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,839 Speaker 3: To the latest on Greenland, Nathan, Both Denmark and Greenland 26 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 3: are stepping up lobbying of US lawmakers in an effort 27 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 3: to head off President Trump's push to take control of 28 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 3: the island. 29 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 6: A group of senators is set. 30 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 3: To meet members of the Danish parliament in Copenhagen today 31 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 3: to show a support for greenland sovereignty. Jean Shaheen is 32 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 3: the most senior Democrat of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. 33 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 3: She tells Bloomberg's Michelle Who's saying that the Senate is 34 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 3: just looking for clarity. 35 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 5: I don't think there is any concern on the part 36 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 5: of our allies, Denmark and Greenland about partnering with the 37 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 5: United States, and that's the route we should be taking. 38 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 5: It should be diplomatic, We should be engaging in conversations 39 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 5: if there is an interest on the part of this 40 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 5: administration in additional operations. 41 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 3: There New Hampshire Senator Geene Shaheen. Get the full conversation 42 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 3: on Bloomberg's The Michelle Hussein Show. It's available on the 43 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 3: Bloomberg Podcast channel on YouTube, and high level talks between Denmark, 44 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 3: Greenland and the US earlier this week ended in a stalemate. 45 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 4: And Lisa Bloomberg Economics has found President Trump is following 46 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 4: through on more of his threats during his second term. 47 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 4: In his first term, the president carried about carried out about. 48 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 2: Forty percent of the threats he made. 49 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 4: That rate has risen in his second administration, leading some 50 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 4: to say that the taco trade investor shorthand for Trump 51 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 4: always chickens out, maybe fading. We get more from Bloomberg 52 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 4: Chief Emerging Markets economist Zia Daoud. 53 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 8: My colleague Jennifer Welsh actually looked at trumpstrakracord in terms 54 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 8: of his threats and whether he cues them through, and 55 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 8: she found that at least in a second term, he 56 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 8: basically exercised about sixty percent of the threats that he 57 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 8: came up with, and that included against Houthi's in Yemen, 58 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 8: that included strikes against Nigeria and ominously for Iran, also 59 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 8: strucks against Iran itself, So not good news for Iran. 60 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 4: There with ziadaouda Bloomberg Economics and UN Ambassador Mike Waltz 61 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 4: renewed threats against Iran at the UN Security Council, saying quote, 62 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 4: all options are on the table to stop the slaughter 63 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 4: of protesters. 64 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 3: Another geopolitical news, Nathan China and Canada are normalizing ties. 65 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 6: This morning. 66 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 3: The two countries reached a wide ranging agreement to lower 67 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 3: trade barriers, including a reduction in taris for Canadian, Canola 68 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 3: and Chinese electric vehicles. Prime Minister Mark Karney is in 69 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 3: China meeting with Jijiping. It's the first visit by a 70 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 3: Canadian leader to Beijing in eight years. 71 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 9: It's expected that within three years this agreement will drive 72 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 9: considerable Chinese investment in Canada's auto sector, creating good careers 73 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 9: in Canada and accelerating our progress towards the net zero 74 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 9: future and the auto industry of the future. 75 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 3: And that was Canada's Mark Arnie, who has been seeking 76 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 3: to rebuild relations with Beijing and reduce Canada's reliance on 77 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 3: the US. After President Donald Trump in posts we mean tariffs. 78 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 2: I'm back here at home Lia. 79 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 4: President Trump's issuing a threat to Minnesota after weeks of 80 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 4: protest over the immigration enforcement surge in Minneapolis. The President 81 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,919 Speaker 4: posted on social media he'll invoke the Insurrection Act and 82 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 4: send the military to the state, lets the state and 83 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 4: local officials stop attacks on ICE agents. But after last 84 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 4: week's shooting death of Renee Good and another ICE involved 85 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 4: shooting this week, Minnesota Governor Tim Waltz is making a 86 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 4: direct appeal to the President, asking him to quote stop 87 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 4: this campaign of retribution. White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt 88 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 4: says the President is open to speaking with the governor. 89 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 7: I'm not sure if that's a genuine offer to speak 90 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 7: with the president. Look, the President is always willing to 91 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 7: answer the phone when people pick up and call. When 92 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 7: there was another tragic shooting many months ago in Governor 93 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 7: Walls's state, he spoke directly with the governor. 94 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 2: Press Secretary Caroline Levitt at the White House. 95 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 9: No. 96 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,679 Speaker 4: President Trump has threatened to use the Insurrection Act before 97 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 4: but has not followed through. The last time the law 98 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 4: was invoked was in nineteen ninety two during the Rodney 99 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 4: King riots in Los Angeles. 100 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 3: Well, a Trump administration's latest attack on the FED may 101 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 3: have just the opposite effect of what the President wants. 102 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 3: Let's get the latest from Bloomberg's John Tucker. 103 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 6: Good Morning John, and Good morning Lisa. 104 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 10: The Trump Justice Department's investigation of the FED. The President's 105 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 10: personal attacks on Chairman Jerome Powell stoke expectations that Palell 106 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 10: will stay on the Board of Governors after his term 107 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 10: as chair ends in May. It's far from clear how 108 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 10: the legal process is going to play out and what 109 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 10: decision Powell will ultimately make on his future. Those who 110 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 10: know Pale say if he does stay on, he would 111 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 10: only do so to protect the institution and would have 112 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 10: no interest in playing a role as a shadow FED chair. 113 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 10: But if the legal development does provoke Pale to stay, 114 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 10: it would up end President Trump's stated plans to stack 115 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 10: the board with officials who will bend to his will. 116 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 10: It could also create a powerful counterway inside the FED 117 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 10: to whomever President Trump picks the next FED chair. You know, York, 118 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 10: I'm John Tucker, Bloomberg Radio. 119 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 4: Well, John, you can scratch any thought of Jamie Diamond 120 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 4: becoming the next FED chair. The JP Morgan Chase CEO 121 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 4: tells Bloomberg hosts David Rubinstein, he's not interested. 122 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 11: Well, Chairman of the FED. I'd put in the absolutely positively, 123 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 11: no chance, no way, no how, for any reason. 124 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 12: Okay, thank you for doing Treasury. 125 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 11: I would consider if A president calls you up and 126 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 11: asks you to do something you know you should consider it. 127 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 11: So I would take the call and consider it and 128 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 11: think about why and what they want, et cetera. 129 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 4: JP Morgan Chase CEO Jamie Diamond speaking there with David 130 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 4: Rubinstein at a US Chamber of Commerce event. You can 131 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 4: catch their full conversation on The David Rubinstein Show Peer 132 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 4: to Peer Conversations. It airs Wednesday at nine pm Wall 133 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 4: Street Time on Bloomberg Television. 134 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 6: Nathan wall Street's Five Biggest Bangs. 135 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 3: Well, they reported a record one hundred and thirty four 136 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 3: billion dollars of trading revenue last year, and they say 137 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 3: more is coming. Morgan Stanley CEO Ted pick let the 138 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 3: optimist them the. 139 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 13: Results for every quarter over the last eight are a 140 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 13: blueprint for Morgan Stanley's success. We expect this mix of 141 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 13: tailwinds and headwinds to prevail in twenty twenty six and 142 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 13: are prepared to continue. 143 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 2: To execute well. 144 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 3: Like Morgan Stanley's Ted Pig Goldman Sach CEO David Solomon 145 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 3: was optimistic too. 146 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 14: I think the world is set up at the moment 147 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 14: to be incredibly constructive in twenty twenty six. For m 148 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 14: and A and capital markets activity. And I think the 149 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 14: likely scenario is it is a very very good year 150 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 14: for M and A and capital markets activity. 151 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 3: Goldman Zach CEO David solomonel Shares of Morgan Stanley and 152 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:39,239 Speaker 3: Goldman both rose the most since April, getting five point 153 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 3: eight percent and four point six percent yesterday. 154 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 4: POLISA, President Trump and the governors of several Northeastern states 155 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 4: have agreed to push for an emergency wholesale electricity auction 156 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 4: that could compel tech companies to effectively fund new power plants. 157 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 4: The unprecedented plan is set to be announced this morning. 158 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 4: It seeks to address growing tensions over how the US 159 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 4: can supply electricity to our hungry data centers, which are 160 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 4: seen as necessary to help win the global AI race, 161 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 4: without at the same time hiking utility bills for homes 162 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 4: and businesses. 163 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 3: And Finally, Nathan, a last ditch effort by Microsoft and 164 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 3: Open Ai to avoid a trial with Elon Musk has 165 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 3: been defeated. Must claims that sam Altman's startup betrayed its 166 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 3: founding mission as a public charity when it took billions 167 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 3: in funding from Microsoft and made plans to operate as 168 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 3: a for profit business. 169 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 6: A federal judge in California yesterday. 170 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 3: Ordered the case to proceed to a jury trial set 171 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 3: for late April. Must help Altman and others launch open 172 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 3: AI in twenty fifteen, and went on to found his 173 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 3: own artificial intelligence company in twenty twenty three. Time now 174 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 3: for a look at some of the other stories making 175 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 3: news in New York and around the world. For that, 176 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 3: we're joined by Bloomberg's Michael bar Good morning, Michael. 177 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 15: Good morning Lisa. There's no end in sight yet for 178 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 15: the New York City nurses strike, which is entering its 179 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 15: fifth day. Nearly fifteen thousand nurses walked off the job 180 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 15: Monday after contract talks stalled over pay, better benefits, and 181 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 15: workplace security. Negotiations resumed at New York Presbyterian Hospital last night, 182 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 15: but ended with no resolution on the picket line. The 183 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 15: Uniformed fire Fighters Association, which represents the largest body of 184 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,079 Speaker 15: firefighters in the nation, also joined the nurses. 185 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 11: Nobody ever, said it's an emergency. 186 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 12: Somebody get management. 187 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 16: They're looking for nurses, They're looking for firefighters. 188 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 2: People respect the work we do. 189 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 15: The hospitals, however, say the New York State Nurses Association, 190 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 15: demands are unrealistic. A federal appeals panel yesterday reversed a 191 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 15: lower court decision that released former Columbia University graduate student 192 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 15: Mockmood Khalil from an immigration jail. It brings the government 193 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 15: one step closer to detaining and ultimately deporting the Palestinian 194 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 15: activists actor and director Timothy Bussfield. We'll get a court 195 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 15: hearing next Tuesday on where he should be held in 196 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:05,119 Speaker 15: jail pending a trial on child sex abuse charges. Busfield 197 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 15: remains at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Albuquerque after turning 198 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 15: himself in on Tuesday. District Attorney Sam Brickman, first. 199 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 17: And foremost, it's important to emphasize that the defendant, Timothy 200 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 17: Busfield is presumed innocent and until and unless he's proven 201 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 17: guilty in a court of law. 202 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:27,079 Speaker 12: D A. 203 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 15: Bregman says. Busfield is currently charged with two counts of 204 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 15: criminal sexual contact of a child under thirteen and one 205 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 15: count of child abuse. Global News twenty four hours a 206 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 15: day and whenever you want it with Bloomberg News Now. 207 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 15: I'm Michael Barr, and this is Bloomberg Lisa. 208 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:43,959 Speaker 2: Thanks Michael. 209 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 16: Time now for a Bloomberg Sports update. For that, we 210 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 16: bring in John stash hour. 211 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 18: The LA Dodgers two time defending World Series champions, and 212 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 18: they continue to spend incredible amounts of money. Outfielder Kyle 213 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 18: Tucker was considered to be the best free agent in 214 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 18: this year's He's going to the Dodgers for a four 215 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 18: year deal. He'll make sixty million a year. The Dodgers 216 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 18: have eight players with deals of over one hundred million. 217 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 18: The Warriors beat the Knicks. Joseph kaminga re signed to 218 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 18: the offseason, couldn't be treated until now. 219 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 2: He has requested that the Warriors trade him. That's your 220 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 2: Bloomberg Sports updeat. 221 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 16: Stay with us more from Bloomberg Daybreak coming up after this. 222 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: Coast to coast on Bloomberg Radio nationwide on Serious Exam 223 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: and around the world on Bloomberg dot Com and the 224 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Business Appum. 225 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 6: This is Bloomberg Daybreak. 226 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 2: Good morning of Nathan Hager. 227 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 4: With little letup to the Trump administration's pressure on the 228 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 4: FED chair J Powell announced, of course, those Justice Departments 229 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 4: subpoenas against him, and President Trump since then has said 230 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 4: he's looking forward to Powell leaving we. 231 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 11: Having a FED person. 232 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 12: He was extended by Biden and yeah, I think he's wrong. 233 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 12: I think he's wrong. He's he's done a bad job. 234 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:00,719 Speaker 2: That was a president to Day Detroit this week. 235 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 4: But the threat of criminal charges is raising speculation the 236 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 4: move could backfire on the President and encourage Powell to 237 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 4: stay on. Joining us for more on this is Bloomberg 238 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 4: News Senior editor Alistair Bold. 239 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 2: Alistair, is this more than just speculation? 240 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 19: Good morning, good morning, Thanks for having me on. So 241 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 19: it's a mess. But the reason it's a mess is 242 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 19: in a way illustrating a very deliberate design feature of 243 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 19: the Federal Reserve. When lawmakers set the institution up at 244 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 19: the early part of the last century, they knew that 245 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 19: it would be subject to political interference, so they granted 246 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 19: fed governor's fourteen year terms. The very reason that Jerome 247 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 19: Powell has the option of staying on the board after 248 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 19: his timers chair ends in May is because of that 249 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 19: institutional feature. And so while it's convention that he steps down, 250 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 19: his ability to remain there would really be just sort 251 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 19: of triggering that defense mechanism for the institution to defend 252 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 19: it from political pressure, which is why this has now 253 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 19: floated up to the service. And I think a lot 254 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 19: of people when they heard his statement on Sunday, read 255 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 19: between the lines as him saying to the administration, if 256 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 19: you do this, I'm going to stay on the board. 257 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 4: Well what does what's the risk that if he does 258 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 4: stay on the board that it would create something of 259 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 4: a shadow chair position for whoever the President nominates next 260 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 4: to take over the chairmanship. 261 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 19: Well that's a very real risk. But how it plays 262 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:23,439 Speaker 19: out for policy, I think is a little bit harder 263 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 19: to game out. Are colleague Anna Wong, who's Bloomberg Economics 264 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 19: chief US economist, said that she thinks that J. Powell 265 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 19: is one of four doves on the board. There's an 266 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 19: irony to this. The Trump administration is targeting him, but 267 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 19: he may be their strongest voice for lower interest rates 268 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 19: on the FOMC. So if he does stay, I don't 269 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 19: think it's one shouldn't assume he's just going to block 270 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 19: the new chair in lowering interest rates. He be fought 271 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 19: the data would warrant it. I mean, I think that's 272 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 19: an important point here. Jerome Power has led the said 273 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 19: to be very data dependent. They may have made policy mistakes. 274 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 19: I think they've missed that with keeping interest rates too 275 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 19: low for too long during the inflation episode, but he's 276 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 19: not really he's going to deliberately do the wrong thing 277 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 19: just despite the Trump administration. So if he does stay 278 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 19: on the board, I don't think it's a given that 279 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 19: that means policy is going to be more hawkish than otherwise, 280 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 19: but it's certainly going to make it harder to figure 281 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 19: out for markets. 282 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, I would to think so in our last minute here, 283 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 4: would it make it more difficult for that next chair 284 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 4: to build the kind of consensus that the position is 285 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 4: supposed to. 286 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 2: Promote. 287 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 19: It would definitely make it hard, but that job was 288 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 19: already going to be very difficult and made more complicated 289 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 19: by the grand courts of poenas. Because the Institution and 290 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 19: the and the other board members they will they will 291 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 19: respect the arguments that they hear in the room. But 292 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 19: if somebody comes in and they're immediately viewed with suspicion 293 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 19: as somebody who's just there to carry ward of the 294 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 19: President to reverse engineer any argument from economics to justify 295 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 19: lower interest rates, they're not going to win the argument 296 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 19: in any way, regardless of whoever else is around the table. 297 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 19: And if one of those people is Drone. 298 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 4: Pale again, great to have you back on with us. Alistair, 299 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 4: thank you so much. That's Alistair Bull. He is senior 300 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 4: editor for Bloomberg News. 301 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 3: Lisa, all right, Nathan, repeating some of our top stories 302 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 3: this morning. President Trump says he's accepted Maria Corrida Machado's 303 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 3: Nobel Peace Prize medal, the Venezuelan opposition leader hoping to 304 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 3: get in the President's good graces. Norwegian experts are calling 305 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 3: the move pathetic and embarrassing. 306 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 4: A group of US senators is in Copenhagen for meetings 307 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 4: with lawmakers as Denmark and Greenland's step up lobbying against 308 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 4: President Trump's push to take control of the Arctic territory. 309 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 3: And Bloomberg Economics says iron might not be able to 310 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 3: count on the so called taco trade or Trump always 311 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 3: chickens out. A Bee analysis finds a president has followed 312 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 3: through on sixty percent of his threats in his first year, 313 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 3: up from forty percent during his first term. 314 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 4: And we have more on those stories coming up on 315 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 4: Bloomberg Daybreak. 316 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 6: All right, let's bring you another. 317 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 3: One of our top stories right now is JP Morgan 318 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 3: CEO Jamie Diamond. He says there's no chance he'll be 319 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 3: the next chair of the Federal Reserve. But speaking yesterday 320 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 3: to Carla A Group co founder and Bloomberg television host 321 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 3: David Rubinstein, Diamond didn't role out becoming Treasury secretary. 322 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 9: Now. 323 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 3: The two spoke at the Chamber of Commerce is twenty 324 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 3: twenty six State of American Business event. 325 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 6: Let's listen in. 326 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 11: Well, Chairman of the Fed, I'd put in the absolutely positively, 327 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 11: no chance, no way, no how, for any reason. 328 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 12: Okay, sec Dary Treasury. I would consider you. 329 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 11: If a president calls you up and asks you to 330 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 11: do something, you know you should consider it. So I 331 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 11: would take the call and consider it and think about 332 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 11: why and what they want, et cetera. But what they 333 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 11: want and how they want to operate that would be 334 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 11: important to me. 335 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 12: I like my job. 336 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 11: I've been my own boss for pretty much twenty five. 337 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 12: Years, and I like it that way. 338 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 11: When they I was in Peru at the APEC Media 339 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 11: something like that. I was coming on stage like this 340 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 11: a televised thing, and as I was walking up, you know, 341 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 11: the person question me. I think it was from bloom 342 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 11: or you know, said the President just tweeted that he 343 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 11: likes you or something like that. But you're not going 344 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 11: to be secretary of Treasury, and she asked me on 345 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 11: National TVs. I said, that's good because I like to 346 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:13,199 Speaker 11: being my own boss. So when we both like it 347 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 11: that way. 348 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 20: When the Great Recession happened, were you worried about the 349 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 20: viability of our financial system? 350 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 12: Your bank was in pretty good shape. 351 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 20: Where we worried that more than many investment banks and 352 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 20: commercial bank were to go under at that time, Well. 353 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 12: A lot of them, did you know. 354 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 11: And yeah, a lot of companies around the world, a 355 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 11: lot of non banks around the world in bankrupt, you know, 356 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 11: JP Morgan. We did a lot to keep people afloat. 357 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 11: We took a lot of risks to do that. We 358 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 11: worked with governments around the world. It was it was terrifying, 359 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 11: and it was you know, twenty four to seven, and 360 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 11: you know, people are just trying to do the right 361 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 11: thing to make sure, you know, we kept. 362 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 20: You think there's a chance of something like that happy 363 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 20: next couple of years, you think we're much better protected 364 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 20: from that kind of problem. 365 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 11: Well, there's there's no chance that you're gonna have that 366 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 11: kind of problem, but you know, there are chances to 367 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 11: have a problem somewhere somehow. 368 00:17:57,960 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 12: You know. 369 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 11: The biggest unknown is geopolitics. You know, and it's not 370 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 11: like you have to be dangerous, you careful you talk 371 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 11: about it's not like that's going to determine what the 372 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 11: economy does in twenty twenty six. But it is a 373 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 11: moving tectonic plate, you know, alliances. You know, obviously there's 374 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 11: terrible war in Ukraine, which we need to do as 375 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 11: much as we can to help Ukraine, but aid and 376 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 11: it bedded by a Russia and Russia somewhat by China. 377 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 11: Those folks have told you what they want to do. 378 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 11: They want to dismantle the system set up they think 379 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 11: by America, but they're set up by the Western world 380 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 11: after World War two has been quite successful. Yeah, there 381 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 11: are a lot of forces at play, and you know, 382 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 11: and people are going to have to choose, you know, 383 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 11: how they want to play. This play is for now. 384 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 11: So yeah, that would be my greatest concern, and that's 385 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 11: about the future of the free democratic world. 386 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 12: That's not just about America. Are you Are you worried. 387 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 20: About the over regulation that some people in the banking 388 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:53,719 Speaker 20: world think that is occurring now or do you think 389 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 20: the regulations are okay? 390 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 12: Now? 391 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 11: My biggest you know, the problem with regulations when you 392 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,880 Speaker 11: talk to some people. It's always act like it's more 393 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 11: or less well and a lot of you deal with regulations. 394 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 11: I think you could create more liquidity in the system, 395 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 11: you know, more capital uses, more learning capability, reduced rules 396 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,719 Speaker 11: and regulations was caused when there was complaints about debanking 397 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 11: and complaints about X. I think we could make the 398 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 11: system better, work better, cheaper, work for more Americans and safer. 399 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:23,919 Speaker 12: You know. 400 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 11: And what bothers me the most is when we talk 401 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 11: about regulations that no one ever steps back and say, 402 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 11: what are we trying to accomplish or why do we 403 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 11: want to accomplish it? And much better this or that? 404 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 11: Because no matter what you do, their pros and cons. 405 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 11: So they take the system as you know, banks are 406 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 11: very strong today, but take the system as a whole. 407 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 11: We've gone from eight thousand public companies to four thousand 408 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 11: public companies. Is that what we wanted? Because that's what 409 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 11: we did. We did it with no forethought, without even 410 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 11: thinking about it. But it was you know, years of 411 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 11: rules and regulations that made it costly, litigious and hard. 412 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 11: And you know, we let institutes like ISS and Glass. 413 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 12: Lewis, you know, vote thirty percent. 414 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 11: Of those here is in America, you know, and so yeah, 415 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 11: I'm quite concerned about that. 416 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 12: We get regulations right. We all want safe. Financial system 417 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:09,120 Speaker 12: is safe, food is safe. 418 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 11: But it doesn't mean you have to have endless regulations, 419 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 11: regulations to be reviewed and improved all the time, as 420 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 11: opposed to what we do today. I put that in 421 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 11: a lot of policy, we just add things on top 422 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 11: of things. And if you look at policy at America, well, 423 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 11: affordable housing, it's all about policy, you know, zoning policies, 424 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 11: permitting policies, housing policies. 425 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 12: You know, it's all about policy. 426 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 11: He's got not a damn thing to do that people 427 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,439 Speaker 11: don't want to build homes or move into homes. 428 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 16: This is Bloomberg day Break, your morning podcast on the 429 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 16: story's making news from Wall Street to Washington and beyond. 430 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 3: Look for us on your podcast feed by six am 431 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 3: Eastern each morning, on Apple, Spotify, or anywhere else you listen. 432 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 16: You can also listen live each morning starting at five 433 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,959 Speaker 16: am Wall Street Time on Bloomberg eleven three to zero 434 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,640 Speaker 16: in New York, Bloomberg ninety nine to one in Washington, 435 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 16: Bloomberg ninety two nine in Boston, and nationwide. 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