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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought

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Speaker 1: to you by Citizens, the official bank of the Giants.

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Speaker 2: I am John Schmelck.

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Speaker 1: Well, this is gonna be the first of what I

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Speaker 1: hope is many interviews with college coaches that coach the

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Speaker 1: Giants draft picks.

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Speaker 2: We like to do this every year.

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Speaker 1: Of course, we're in the Hackensack Murty Health podcast studio.

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Speaker 2: Keep getting better.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna lead off with Giants seventh round pick

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Speaker 1: tight end Thomas Fadoni, who was in Nebraska and was

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Speaker 1: coached by tight end's coach and also.

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Speaker 2: Offensive coordinator, Marcus Sadderfield.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to talk to him about him as

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Speaker 1: a guy, him as a player, and everything else about

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Speaker 1: the Thomas Faedoni, the second experience at the University of Nebraska.

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Speaker 1: And now we welcome in the tight ends coach for

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Speaker 1: the University of Nebraska, Marcus Saddersfield.

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Speaker 2: Marcus, how are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing good, Marcus.

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Speaker 1: It's it's great to talk to you man. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for being with us you coach Thomas Vedoni

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Speaker 1: for a couple of years when you arrived with with

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Speaker 1: Matt Ruhle. When you got there, he was still rehabbing

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Speaker 1: that second knee injury, right, So what did you learn

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Speaker 1: about him when you got there and you're still trying

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Speaker 1: to work back from those two consecutive really debilitating knee injuries.

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Speaker 4: Just the traits of being so competitive. I mean, you

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Speaker 4: saw the toughness, mental toughness, and just the competitiveness to

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Speaker 4: Was one of the first things that I noticed about

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Speaker 4: Thomas when we first got here.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and then obviously you know you're running the offense.

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Speaker 1: You're trying to work him in. How long did it

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Speaker 1: take for you, Marcus, to figure out how he fits

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Speaker 1: in how you want to run your offense at Nebraska?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Well, we were a pro style offense, so you know,

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Speaker 4: tight ends are crucial. And you know, when you meet Thomas,

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Speaker 4: you don't really realize how big he is. He's a

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Speaker 4: large human being. He can you know, you functions well

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Speaker 4: in the run game and he can run. He got speed,

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Speaker 4: you know, so you can operate in space and run route.

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Speaker 4: So I mean he was a guy that was plug

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Speaker 4: he's he's got unbelievable speed, you know, straight out of speed,

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Speaker 3: So for what we wanted to do, he'd fit right

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Speaker 3: in from day one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I was down at the Senior Bowl and the first

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Speaker 1: thing I noticed right away just watching him was his

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Speaker 2: And I knew he was coming up to an injury.

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Speaker 2: So I'm like, huh.

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Speaker 1: I know it was two years ago, but I'm like,

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Speaker 1: how athletic he's going to be. And his speed in

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Speaker 1: person matches his speed on tape. Then you watch his

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Speaker 1: athleticism testing at the combine, those checked out too. You know,

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Speaker 1: I know he was a late pick, and I don't

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Speaker 1: think fans realize what a good athlete he is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, super athlete.

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Speaker 4: And again usually you know, guys of that stature, you

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Speaker 4: don't think they can you have the short area quickness,

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Speaker 4: like a thoroughbred horse, like you feel him running, you

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Speaker 4: feel him getting in out of his brakes. He's got

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Speaker 4: thirty four inch thirty three thirty four inch arms like

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Speaker 3: So, uh, he's you know, we're gonna miss him around here.

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Speaker 1: Now do you like to use him as a Y

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Speaker 4: It depended on, you know, just what we were trying

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Speaker 1: So when you use him as a Y and you

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Speaker 1: was it more work to develop him as a wide

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Speaker 3: The route running was never an issue.

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Speaker 4: You know, ball skills were never issue was just put

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Speaker 1: So talk about his development as a blocker, because I

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Speaker 4: The one thing that you you know, it's hard to

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Speaker 4: they're not going to put their face in the block.

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Speaker 4: It's always going to be a struggle for them to

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Speaker 4: Thomas has to want to in the toughness so that,

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Speaker 4: you know, it's easy to teach guys that are we're

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Speaker 4: The guys that we're blocking are some pretty big dudes.

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Speaker 4: But you know, just from day one, just his willingness

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Speaker 1: And then what some of the area's coach where you

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Speaker 1: really saw an improvement in his technique when it comes

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Speaker 4: I think just you know, being the y on the

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Speaker 4: all those things that you're looking for to the next level.

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Speaker 3: At the NFL.

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Speaker 4: I think that you know, this past season, you can

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Speaker 4: turn on the tape and watch them do that.

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Speaker 2: Hoddle up, get in here. If you're lined up here,

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Speaker 2: you gotta go over the middle with at the score great.

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Speaker 2: How do we make that happen?

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Speaker 4: I don't know, but Citizens does makes sense of your

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Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about him as a receiver. Now.

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Speaker 1: Should Giant fans see him more as a linear seam

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Speaker 1: runner type or is he more of a All right,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to get to the top of the route.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to shake the tight end with my side

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Speaker 1: side quickness or is he a guy that can do both?

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Speaker 4: He can do everything, but I think it is super

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Speaker 4: you know, super trade is just the vertical passing game.

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Speaker 4: Like his straight line speed is as you know, really

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Speaker 4: really really good. And I think just his ability to

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Speaker 4: bit shorter and short lever than he is. I think

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Speaker 4: he can use you know, his linked and his speed

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Speaker 1: And I feel like watching tight ends at the pro level,

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Speaker 1: a lot of it is feeling zones, Right, You're trying

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Speaker 1: You guys, obviously in college you're going to face a

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Speaker 1: How is his feel going against zone coverage, finding those gaps,

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Speaker 4: Uh, you know, the way that we teach it in

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Speaker 4: you know he has a great feel for different types

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Speaker 3: I call it time and spacing.

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Speaker 4: I think you know he has very good time and

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Speaker 1: Now, you were with coach Ruhl and when he was

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Speaker 4: All the good thing is we huddle and we have

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Speaker 4: not saying that's good, uh, but you know he's been

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Speaker 4: you know, a twelve plate play call, break the huddle,

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Speaker 4: not going to be foreign to him. He's done that

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Speaker 1: I think that And maybe you already answered most of

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Speaker 3: I think just the way that you're utilizing.

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Speaker 4: run routes, run the football, have you know, rushing skills.

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Speaker 4: I think just the things we asked him to do

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Speaker 4: huge dividends for him. It's not going to be foreign.

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Speaker 4: Some of these guys just play receiver that get drafted

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Speaker 4: as a tight end. He's you know, he's been in

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Speaker 4: these defensive ends you know, the chips you see, you know,

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Speaker 4: you utilize health, the tackles and pass protection. He's did

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Speaker 4: that all last year. So I think he's well versed

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Speaker 4: and you know what he's going to be asked to

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Speaker 1: Now you've talked about how you utilize him as a

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Speaker 1: more spread out system where you're throwing in a million

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Speaker 1: No, Marcus, You're exactly right. I mean, whenever I talked

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Speaker 4: But if you're wondering about a long term financial plan,

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Speaker 2: Hey, I can also talk long care. I'd like to

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Speaker 1: Since all right, tell me about Thomas Fadoni, the guy,

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Speaker 4: He understands how to do hard things. That's what we

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Speaker 1: Awesome stuff, coach. I really appreciate the time, man, this

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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us in the Hacketsack Meridian Health

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Speaker 1: you by Citizens Official Bank of the Giants for coach Sadderfield,

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Speaker 1: I am John shmul Thanks for being with us.

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