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Speaker 1: Oh we got a good Friday show Blazing five and

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Speaker 1: Wherever you may be, however you may be listening. Thanks

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Speaker 1: hope you had a great Christmas with a fan. I

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Speaker 1: certainly did. Snoop dog was the most consistent top performer

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Speaker 1: yesterday in the NFL. Sorry to say, hey, wait to

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Speaker 1: go Snoop Dogg and crew. That was awesome. But I

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Speaker 1: think it's interesting and there's you know, at this point

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Speaker 1: in the year, we know what all these teams are.

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Speaker 1: And you can keep telling me Denver's not good, but

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Speaker 1: this is not figure skating, it's football. I don't need

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Speaker 1: style points. They were great on third down. They dominate

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: RJ.

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Speaker 1: Harvey delivers, so is bone Knicks. Basically, Kansas City said,

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Speaker 1: we're not giving you anything over the top. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: make it long, slow, boring drives, and that's what they did.

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton knows what he's doing. A lot of guys,

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Speaker 1: a lot of gms, GMS didn't like bow Knicks. Sean

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Speaker 1: Payton loved him. He's now twenty three and ten is

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Speaker 1: a pro playoffs both years, first quarterback ever ever league

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Speaker 1: history ever, ten plus wins, thirty plus total touchdowns, first

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Speaker 1: two years in the league, and he leads the NFL

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Speaker 1: and pass attempts the last two years. So they're putting

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Speaker 1: everything on him. No baby sitting like early Big Ben.

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Speaker 1: And then there's r J Harvey. RJ Harvey. Last year

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Speaker 1: everybody said that's a reach. They shouldn't be a high

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Speaker 4: RJ Harvey.

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Speaker 1: The dude's got only four fewer touchdowns than Christian McCaffrey

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Speaker 1: young player who gets into the end zone. I think

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Speaker 1: he's like eleven touchdowns. Again, don't worry about the style points.

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Speaker 1: This is at Arrowhead. It is a division rival, and

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Speaker 1: you won by a touchdown. You do understand a touchdown

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Speaker 1: is a big spread. Seattle's a touchdown favored over Carolina.

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Speaker 1: If they win by a touchdown, are you unimpressed? You

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Speaker 1: go on the road, division rival, you win, You take it.

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Speaker 1: Kansas City said we're not giving you anything over the top.

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Speaker 4: They didn't.

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Speaker 1: And for the record, in the first game between these two,

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Speaker 1: other thing is, I don't know if Denver is gonna

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Speaker 1: Maybe Jacksonville is the best team in the AFC. Certainly possible,

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Speaker 1: They had six Pro Bowlers this week four of them

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Speaker 1: They've been a bit of a sad trombone all year.

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Speaker 1: As we've told you, dynasties do not fall off a cliff. Generally,

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Speaker 4: Division on the line.

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton's gonna have his fifth season thirteen or more wins.

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Speaker 5: you know, they're gonna be a good football team. Now,

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Speaker 5: some other team can help us along the way, but

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Speaker 1: So before the season started, okay, we're gonna pat ourselves

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Speaker 1: in the back, Jamack and I said, every year there's

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Speaker 1: So we both said it would be the Detroit Lions.

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Speaker 1: They lost two great coordinators. Offensive guy was brilliant, and

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Speaker 1: I'm listening to Lions fans yesterday. Well it's our offensive

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Speaker 1: I think Sam Laporta the minute he left with the

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Speaker 1: the mirror. This team, Detroit's been lousy on third down

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Speaker 1: It doesn't feel sharp and creative. Yes, the offensive line injuries,

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Speaker 1: He's a great culture builder, and he lost a brilliant

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Speaker 1: scheme guy, Ben Johnson. This is very reminiscent of Kyle

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Speaker 1: Shanahan getting the Niners as the OC to the Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl and Matt Ryan and MVP Kyle Shanahan left. You

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Speaker 1: want to know what the Atlanta Falcons record is since

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Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan left sixty three and eighty four. It's not

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Speaker 4: Okay, you can. You can make all the excuse.

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Speaker 1: Find me an offensive line in this league, in the

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Speaker 1: for seventeen eighteen weeks. I mean it's man overboard with

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Speaker 1: the Chargers. Texans old line has been a mess for

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Speaker 1: I think Sam Laporta is a big loss.

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Speaker 1: Dan Campbell, put it on the screen with offensive coordinator

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson, He's thirty six and fifteen, thirty six and fifteen.

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Speaker 1: If you look at Dan Campbell without Ben Johnson, eleven

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Speaker 1: not blaming anybody. I'm saying when you lose Kyle Shanahan

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Speaker 1: lose Ben Johnson, you don't look the same. Here's Dan Campbell.

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Speaker 1: They're out of the playoffs officially.

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Speaker 3: After the loss, I'm gonna be looking at a lot

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Speaker 3: of things because I do not like being home for

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Speaker 3: you know, and there again. Whenever you lose, man, it

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Speaker 3: takes a village man. Everybody's involved, including myself, you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm always gonna wish I would have given golf more,

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Speaker 1: Good news, very good front office draft. Well you get

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Speaker 1: that great safety back, Laporta back means it's not all

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Speaker 1: a culture creator. But when you have the culture creators,

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Speaker 1: Texans is bad. They're going to make the playoffs again,

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Speaker 1: all right, j Mac. It was interesting because yesterday was

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Speaker 1: it used to be the NBA's day, and then the

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Speaker 1: And now the NBA may want to move to Christmas Eve.

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Speaker 1: Defensively, they're already bad, they're worse when Lebron plays. And yesterday,

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Speaker 1: I know it's Christmas. Maybe the guys didn't want to

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Speaker 1: be there, but that game spoke volumes of the next

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Speaker 8: Yeah, as everybody knows, we're the hosts of the award

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Speaker 6: I'm not doing another fifty three games like this. It's

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Speaker 1: with the news.

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Speaker 4: Turn on the news.

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Speaker 2: This is the headline news, all.

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Speaker 7: Right, Colin, Let's start with some Christmas football.

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Speaker 10: The only game that was decent the Cowboys in Dak

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Speaker 7: Uh, Dak was, you know, pretty good. I don't know.

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Speaker 10: The game was streaming and afterward a lot of people

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Speaker 7: Here's what Dak had to say.

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Speaker 11: Obviously, I understand being approached about it, but what I

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Speaker 1: Honestly, I hope everybody noticed this. Turpin big play, floor Noise,

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Speaker 4: Yep? But if if you're gonna.

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Speaker 1: Pay Quentin Williams and Dak and Ceedee Lamb, that is

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Speaker 4: They got good young receivers.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, regarding Dak Collin, so I had to look on

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Speaker 7: In Joe Milton.

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Speaker 10: Should you know Joe Milton pop and shows, well, maybe I.

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Speaker 7: Flip him from war.

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Speaker 10: Picks or at least I have confidence in my backup quarterback.

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Speaker 7: Joe Milton, he's terrible.

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Speaker 7: Guess what your draft pick is a little bit better.

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Speaker 4: This is what he is in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: But I do think what we're seeing in the NFL,

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Speaker 7: It looks like he's not going to play.

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Speaker 10: It's his backup quarterbacks all over the league.

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Speaker 7: A lot of teams packing it in Colin.

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Speaker 10: Let's go to Chicago and Ben Johnson can't stop talking

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Speaker 7: Man. Wow, he has been transformative for the Bears and

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Speaker 10: He said that everyone talks about Caleb's arm, but he's

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Speaker 7: He loves football, he wants to be great.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, and finally, the final story, Calm. The biggest story

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Speaker 10: the unbelievable OKAC thunder all I've been here in colin Is, Okay,

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Speaker 3: This is like a playoff series, playing them three times

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Speaker 5: Maybe, uh.

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Speaker 6: So we learn a lot of the tactical side, but

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Speaker 3: Keep some for first.

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Speaker 1: one of those guys. Very rarely do you have a

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Speaker 1: guy in the NBA, I mean outside of superstars, but

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Speaker 1: Klay Thompson was this Clay in his prime, defended catch

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Speaker 1: and shoot, didn't need the ball. Clay would have worked

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Speaker 1: on every roster in the league. Stefan Castle works on

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Speaker 1: every single roster. Tough, physical, and anytime Stefan Castle's guarding you.

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Speaker 1: In fact, we looked it up. He held players to

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Speaker 1: three for thirteen shooting yesterday.

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Speaker 4: He is a I mean, like I would.

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Speaker 1: Say glue guy, but he's a great player. He is

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Speaker 1: so fundamental to what they're trying to do. If you

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Speaker 1: just said the two best players the next five years

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Speaker 1: in San Antonio are Stefan Castle and Wemby, that's good

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Speaker 1: enough to win a title. Those those guys are high

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Speaker 1: end dudes.

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Speaker 10: Castle is an utterly dominant force. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 10: I like NBA jerseys. I have made a no Castle

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Speaker 10: is gonna be my next jersey, And I don't like

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Speaker 10: the Spurs Colin.

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Speaker 7: This kid is unbelievable at both ends. But I love

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Speaker 7: what I saw.

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Speaker 10: Remember all the Darren Fox is he gonna be able

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Speaker 10: to play with Harper? They're on the floor together cooking

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Speaker 10: sga in Company and Colin. I know the Wemben Yama

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Speaker 10: chet stuff is fun, but we have audio here. They

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Speaker 10: miked up Wemben Yama on Christmas Day, chet Homegrin missed

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Speaker 10: the free throw.

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Speaker 7: You listen to wemban.

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Speaker 10: Yama at the foul line, Dan, you and I know

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Speaker 10: these two have a lot of history throwing back to

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Speaker 10: their day's battery is teenager. He's cheering on Oh my godness,

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Speaker 10: he's cheering on chet Homegrind miss free throws.

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Speaker 7: That's how passionate Wemby is. Colin.

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Speaker 10: I'm gonna be real with you. The Spurs are the

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Speaker 10: best team in the NBA right now. I don't think

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Speaker 10: you can even argue.

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Speaker 4: Right now, Absolutely, right now they are. No.

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Speaker 1: No, I think listen, the West isn't ridiculous. Okay, see Spurs, Denver,

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Speaker 1: Dallas is playing better.

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Speaker 4: Rockets are really really good.

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Speaker 7: Minnesota, Minnesota Soota.

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Speaker 1: No, I mean you, there's an argument the six best

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Speaker 1: teams in the league are all West.

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Speaker 7: Well, the Knicks are, they're.

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Speaker 1: In, They're in that they would be fifth or sixth

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Speaker 1: in I would say in the in the West.

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Speaker 7: By the way, Yeah, I know.

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Speaker 10: You watched Nick caves at the ending, I'm gonna be

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Speaker 10: start pitching Tyler Kohlik stories. He's the new Jeremy Lynn

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Speaker 10: in New York, the kid out of market. Tyler Kolek

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Speaker 10: is money. People love it.

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Speaker 7: They're going crazy for Tyler.

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Speaker 4: Cole j Mack with the News.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the

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Speaker 2: herd Line News.

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Speaker 1: So we talked about this. I think we talked about

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Speaker 1: this the day before Christmas. Yeah, our Christmas Eve show

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Speaker 1: that there was a story that came out from a

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Speaker 1: respected Baltimore Ravens reporter that said, there's there's some fissures

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Speaker 1: between Lamar Jackson and the organization. Now the organization's gonna

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Speaker 1: defend Lamar. You know how this works. You know you've

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Speaker 1: been around long enough. I'm not going to try to

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Speaker 1: convince you, Lebron Lamar is a bad guy or a

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Speaker 1: perfect guy. But some of the stuff you would not

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Speaker 1: print that if you were a long time beat reporter

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Speaker 1: unless you heard it. And John Harbaugh yesterday defended him.

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Speaker 1: But I did say, at any one time in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: there's about six quarterbacks. If you're the GM you don't

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Speaker 1: even pick up the phone. There's another six that you

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Speaker 1: don't call people, but you would take a phone call.

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Speaker 1: Maybe your guy has an injury history, can be a

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Speaker 1: little temperamental, hasn't been good in big spots. And then

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Speaker 1: there's fifteen gms that are on the phone trying to

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Speaker 1: get better quarterbacks. And I think Lamar has gone from

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Speaker 1: group one to group two, which is still very very good.

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Speaker 1: And I said to Miami Dolphin, shoul look at him.

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Speaker 1: He's from Miami, wants to play there. Remember, people say, well,

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Speaker 1: we're already paying Tua. You could get the Ravens to

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Speaker 1: pay a lot of Lamar's contract if they wanted to

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Speaker 1: move off him. But the obvious team that should go

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Speaker 1: look at him is the New York Jets. They have

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Speaker 1: two first round picks. They can't develop quarterbacks. It's called

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Speaker 1: good Sam Darnold is now. They have no history of

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Speaker 1: doing that.

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Speaker 4: Well, we're gonna go get a quarterback. Oh it's a

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Speaker 4: bad quarterback class. Good luck. You think Aaron Glenn's gonna

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Speaker 4: develop your quarterback? Okay, good luck?

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Speaker 1: I mean my takeaway is the Jets are currently picking

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Speaker 1: four two teams higher than them. Raiders Cleveland may take quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: So the day one that Lamar Jackson. If he signed

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Speaker 1: with the Jets day one, your playoff viable. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you saw it New England did in six months. You

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Speaker 1: don't think the Jets could do that with Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 1: Jets have some players. So it's been a decade straight

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Speaker 1: of the Jets being atrocious offensively. They show no ability.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we don't know if Aaron Glen's a head coach,

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Speaker 1: but they've shown no ability with multiple head coaches to

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Speaker 1: develop quarterbacks. They don't have that kind of ecosystem. They're

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Speaker 1: the opposite of the Packers. They just can't do it.

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Speaker 1: So to me, they've had a head coach quarterback issue

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Speaker 1: for years. They have two first round picks, a good

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Speaker 1: quarterback draft. Aaron Glenn wants to win. Now, you're not

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Speaker 1: winning with this roster. I mean, you had Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: past his prime. Look how much better he is now.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, to me, i'm the Jets GM, do

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Speaker 1: I explore this absolutely?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely?

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Speaker 6: I do.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if I'm Aaron Glenn, I'm not even quiet

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Speaker 1: about it. You're gonna go with ty Simpson at Alabama

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Speaker 1: on a reach Go ahead and reach for kid Klubnick

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Speaker 1: ty Simpson, who whoever's available.

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Speaker 4: I think he's falling out. Go ahead.

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Speaker 1: Now, if Dante Moore comes out, maybe then you move

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Speaker 1: up for him. But if he doesn't. If Dante Moore

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Speaker 1: doesn't come out, I mean the Giants. I've argued the

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Speaker 1: Giant should consider Mendoza and move off Dark.

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Speaker 4: So you look at.

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Speaker 1: I mean Lamar Jackson versus the Jets quarterbacks.

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Speaker 4: The staff did this.

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson NFL career seventy six and thirty Jets quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: thirty nine and ninety two.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Seems like he would solve some issues, does it not.

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Speaker 1: I mean, and that's worse in the league. The completion

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Speaker 1: percentage for Lamar Jackson, known more as a runner, although

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Speaker 1: he's good in the pocket, sixty five percent completion percentage.

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Speaker 1: Jets quarterbacks since twenty eighteen are last in the league

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Speaker 1: at fifty nine percent. So they've shown no ability. Now

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Speaker 1: they have a defensive coach, no ability to develop quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: You got a couple of picks you wouldn't consider this.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you've been drafted high in the first round forever,

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Speaker 1: You've been bad forever.

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Speaker 4: It's not working again.

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Speaker 1: It's not like again, if Dante Moore comes out, that

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Speaker 1: could solve it. Somebody takes Mendoza, you move up a slot.

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Speaker 1: Cleveland may stay with Shador Sanders. I don't know, maybe

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Speaker 1: they should. Raiders are drafted a quarterback. So I'm just

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Speaker 1: saying sometimes it's just worthy of a discussion. I think

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Speaker 1: now now John Harbaugh, he's saying those those reports on Lamar, well,

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Speaker 1: I don't know where this stuff is coming from.

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Speaker 12: I don't know where that's coming from. I've never seen

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Speaker 12: I've never seen that ever. You know, that's that's not

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Speaker 12: something that that I've ever witnessed. And I'm in every meeting.

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Speaker 12: Our relationship is a plus. So I love him, always have,

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Speaker 12: always will, and I always fighting like crazy to get back.

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Speaker 12: Believe me, if he can go out there and do it,

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Speaker 12: this guy's on the ultimate competitors that you're ever.

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Speaker 6: Going to see.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's any question about that. But I've

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Speaker 1: said this with the Giants, you don't have a right

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Speaker 1: to be arrogant.

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Speaker 4: You have to.

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Speaker 1: Consider drafting Mendos. Doesn't mean you have to draft him.

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Speaker 1: You have to sit down and talk about it. The

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Speaker 1: Jets have to sit down and talk about Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 4: You can't just say we develop quarterbacks here. Now that's

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Speaker 4: Green Bay. Okay, that's not what you do.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays

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Speaker 2: and Noone Easter Non a Em Pacific on Fox Sports

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Speaker 4: Here we Go.

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Speaker 1: There are reports Dan Wetzel saying Kyle Whittingham gonna be

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Speaker 1: the new coach for the Michigan Wolverines.

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Speaker 4: That's a good get.

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Speaker 1: He's sixty six mind and body looks mid fifties. Both

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Speaker 1: the hardballs are in the sixties. Some guys are just

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Speaker 1: they play younger. They are younger. Whittingham workout guy, ski guy.

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Speaker 1: He is in shape, and I love the hire actually

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Speaker 1: become very very solid. Higher two reasons. He's an ethical guy.

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Speaker 1: There's no bs. Whatever Kyle tells you is the truth.

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Speaker 1: There's just no bs with him, straight shooter. The second

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Speaker 1: thing is he's a culture builder.

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Speaker 4: I like that a lot. He's gonna make them tough.

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Speaker 1: Utah was always the one school in the Pac twelve

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Speaker 1: that played like a Big ten team, tight ends, o line,

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Speaker 1: tough linebackers, but you didn't always love.

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Speaker 4: Their quarterback play.

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Speaker 1: So he's been making three star guys, five star guys,

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Speaker 1: and four star guys for years. He's finally gonna get

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Speaker 1: some five star guys and he's just a really loyal guy.

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Speaker 1: He's one of those guys. He said last week, He's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'd rather leave before I get pushed out.

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Speaker 1: And I think he's a really good higher. I don't

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Speaker 1: think you can do better. I mean, Taylor de Boor

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Speaker 1: was my first choice, but if you're telling me Kyle

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Speaker 1: Winningham is the second choice, that's a good choice. Matt

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Speaker 1: Campbell went to Penn State. I'm like, if you'd have

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Speaker 1: fired Franklin hired him the next day, I would have said,

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Speaker 1: good hire. If you would have the Sharon more stuff.

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Speaker 1: If he would have left and Winningham was your first call,

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Speaker 1: I would have no problem with that. So that doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean he's going to succeed. But he builds cultures, he

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Speaker 1: knows how to develop players. His teams have never They've

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Speaker 1: always been good with special teams, good with line play,

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Speaker 1: really tough, very very big ten football. A lot of

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Speaker 1: people criticize USC because they're pretty and finesse, but it's

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Speaker 1: not big ten football, A fair criticism. Kyle Whittingham's Utah

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Speaker 1: teams they bullied you. They make tight ends block. I

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Speaker 1: mean they put a lot of NFL guys out there,

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Speaker 1: considering they get three star recruits. So they had the

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Speaker 1: number one ranked defense in the Pac twelve. The Kyle

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Speaker 1: Whittingham era, I got news for you. They didn't have

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Speaker 1: the number one recruiting classes. They had the number one

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Speaker 1: defense in the conference. So I've you know, you used

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Speaker 1: to spend a lot of time in Utah and watched

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Speaker 1: a lot of Utah football games. That's a well coached

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Speaker 1: team and they had a long time assistant Whittingham leaves,

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Speaker 1: so Utah'll be fine. They got the guys running the program.

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Speaker 1: They're an excellent program. I've said before, if you really

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Speaker 1: took the four best fits to go from the Pac

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Speaker 1: twelve to the Big ten, it would have been Oregon, Washington,

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Speaker 1: USC in Utah. Utah kind of got hose. But it's

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Speaker 1: a smaller Salt Lake city, a smaller market than UCLA.

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Speaker 1: But this is a real program. UCLA, it kind of

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Speaker 1: feels like they're hamming egging it. They don't really have

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Speaker 1: the budget they get. Utah is good program. They got

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Speaker 1: money behind it.

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Speaker 4: They got big.

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Speaker 1: That Salt Lake economy has been on fire for a decade,

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Speaker 1: so there's a lot of money in Utah, good economy.

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Speaker 4: Good coach. Way to go Michigan. That's a good get.

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Speaker 1: So the most I mean, I'll be honest, the most

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Speaker 1: interesting team in the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: And I've said this all year. I want to see

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Speaker 4: the Buffalo Bills make the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: And I love Harvon Herbert, but I'm just saying Macro

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Speaker 1: for the NFL, wouldn't it be great?

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Speaker 4: I mean, they're not.

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Speaker 1: The Chicago Cubs, because the Cubs were just poorly running

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Speaker 1: awful for years. The Bills have often been smartly owned,

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Speaker 1: smartly run, good coaches, good jims. They're not the Cubs,

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Speaker 1: but they've had you know, they've run into buzzsaws and Mahomes,

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Speaker 1: and they've run into dynasties and the Cowboys when they

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Speaker 1: had Jim Kelly. So what's interesting is am I unrealistic

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Speaker 1: to say going into the playoffs they have got to

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Speaker 1: get to the AFC Championship or you got to change coaches.

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying you have to win the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: In fact, if you lost in overtime to Jacksonville and

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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence twenty seven, twenty six, I'd give you that,

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Speaker 1: but you got to get their minimum. No Mahomes, no Borough,

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Speaker 1: no Lamar Jackson. Herbert's got a broken hand and a

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Speaker 1: pitiful offensive line.

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Speaker 4: CJ.

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Speaker 1: Stroud has no offense, and Drake May and Bo Nicks

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Speaker 1: are kids. If you look at the current AFC playoff

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks right now, there's a forty two year old guy,

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Speaker 1: a couple of twenty three and twenty five year old guys.

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Speaker 1: It is kids. And that doesn't mean McDermott is not

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Speaker 1: a good coach. I'll give you an example, Doug Collins.

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Speaker 1: Michael Jordan loved Doug Collins. Doug Collins three straight playoffs

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Speaker 1: with the Chicago Bulls, won fifty seven percent of his games.

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Speaker 1: They needed a change. Mark Jackson was winning games in

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Speaker 1: Golden State. Steve Kirk comes in. They needed a change.

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Speaker 1: They needed somebody that was better for Steph Curry. Dan

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Speaker 1: Reeves was not a bad coach. Dan Reeves was an

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Speaker 1: excellent coach. But John needed his king maker and it

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Speaker 1: was Mike Shanahan. Tony Dungeee excellent coach, but they felt

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Speaker 1: like they needed more fire John Druden.

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Speaker 4: So I think Sean McDermott.

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Speaker 1: Is a very, very capable coach, very very capable coach.

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Speaker 1: But last year, when you're watching them situationally on those

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Speaker 1: fourth and ones and it feels like they kind of

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Speaker 1: make it up on the sidelines, I'm like, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: but this year you got young kids, the superstars are out. Patriots,

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Speaker 1: I'd argue, still in a rebuild. I mean, Denver's still

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Speaker 1: paying cap hits with Russell Wilson, so their roster could

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Speaker 1: be better and probably will be better next year. And

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Speaker 1: then drake Man vow Nicks. Now now we're in year three,

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Speaker 1: so those guys become like year three. Light goes on.

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Speaker 1: Liam Cohen, this is year one. Jacksonville could be better

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Speaker 1: next year, Denver, New England quarterback better next year. Pittsburg

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Speaker 1: if Aaron retires, falls back, maybe Chargers should be better

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Speaker 1: next year because they'll have both of their tackles back

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Speaker 1: and another hardball recruiting class. So I'm showing this to

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Speaker 1: the TV audience this and again. Justin Herbert, if he

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Speaker 1: didn't have a broken hand and had both of his

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Speaker 1: starting tackles, I'd let you lose to them too. But

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Speaker 1: here's Josh Allen on the Bills making the playoffs again.

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Speaker 9: The way that I put it in terms is to

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Speaker 9: win the lottery. You got to buy a ticket to

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Speaker 9: win a super Bowl. You got to make the playoffs.

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Speaker 9: You know, getting into the playoffs is our ticket. Now

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Speaker 9: what we do with that is up to us and

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Speaker 9: going out there and executing Nation every week. And obviously

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Speaker 9: you want to go into the playoffs playing as well

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Speaker 9: as you can. And obviously there's still a chance for

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Speaker 9: us to win the division, and obviously we need help

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Speaker 9: doing that. We want to come out and take it

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Speaker 9: one game at a time and still have that backs

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Speaker 9: against the wall mentality and you know, try to play

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Speaker 9: our best football going into it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of feel like you gotta get to the

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Speaker 1: AFC Championship. I'll give you a loss. I'll give you

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Speaker 1: a loss on the road to Jacksonville. If it's a

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Speaker 1: wild shootout, I feel you play well. Your coach well

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Speaker 1: probably could give you a path on that. But man,

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Speaker 1: you can't stub your toe early. You can't be losing

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Speaker 1: to Bonnicks and Drake May. And this one sets up

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Speaker 1: for you because remember bone Russell Wilson, cap hits gone,

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Speaker 1: Denver's better next year, Bone Nick's another year, Drake May.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna get their O line four to five through

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Speaker 1: free agency or the draft.

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Speaker 4: Patriots are better.

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Speaker 1: Herbert's gonna have his tackles back, So those three teams

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Speaker 1: are all better. And you could you know, Kansas City

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Speaker 1: and Baltimore probably our playoff teams the following year. You

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Speaker 1: get these little tiny windows. You gotta get it right.

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Speaker 1: That's what it feels like to me. By the way,

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Speaker 1: j Max, I have a blazing five. Top of the hour,

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Speaker 1: I went, all dogs. I haven't done this all year?

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Speaker 1: Wait what all four dogs and an and I've been

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Speaker 1: all year a very good way.

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Speaker 7: When did you When did you submit these?

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Speaker 10: Because three dogs covered yesterday depending on what number you got.

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Speaker 7: Is this influenced by which you know?

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, but the weather's crappy. You have teams

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Speaker 1: that could clinch a playoff or winn into There's some

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Speaker 1: teams out there that I like a lot. And I

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Speaker 1: also think it is hard for favorites this time of

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Speaker 1: the year. You are looking to the postseason. You don't

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Speaker 1: think you don't think some of these teams are like Philadelphia.

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Speaker 1: I don't feel like they're kind I mean, now, now,

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Speaker 1: I like Philadelphia because I think they'll run the ball

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Speaker 1: to the Bills. But it's a weird time of the

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Speaker 1: year where some teams are tanking soft tanking. Other teams

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Speaker 1: are rest starters, underdogs. All this stuff's on film. Some

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Speaker 1: of these viable underdogs are looking to clinch stuff. I

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Speaker 1: have not done this. Now I may go zero for five.

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Speaker 1: I went four oho to one last week. I was

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Speaker 1: I was almost perfect last week. Uh this, I have

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Speaker 1: not done four dogs all year long. I judge all

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Speaker 1: the numbers to me. You're you like dogs as well?

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Speaker 7: Uh well, I like one. Uh I think we both

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Speaker 7: agree on We'll see. We'll see after the break.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, very excited. J Max.

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Speaker 1: Stick around me. I'll get you some lettuce. Pay for

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Speaker 1: those Christmas presents.