Speaker 1: Look out there's any films to be buried with. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to films to be buried with. My name
Speaker 1: is Brett Goldsen. I'm a comedian and actor, a writer,
Speaker 1: a director, Tissue Despencer, and I love films. As Wayne
Speaker 1: Dyer once said, you are important enough to ask, you
Speaker 1: are blessed enough to receive back. Ask for the reinstatement
Speaker 1: of When Love Is Gone into the Muppets Christmas Carol.
Speaker 1: You deserve it and it will be put back. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I heard that news, and I've never been happier. Thank you, Wayne,
Speaker 1: iye for the reminder. Happy Christmas. Every week I invite
Speaker 1: a special guest over. I tell them they've died. Then
Speaker 1: I get them to discuss their life through the films
Speaker 1: that meant that most of them. Previous guests include Barry Jenkins,
Speaker 1: Kevin Smith, Jamila Jamil and even Cred Blambele's. But this
Speaker 1: week it's the amazing comedian, actor, writer and filmmaker mister
Speaker 1: Bobcat Goldthwaite. Head over to the Patreon at patron dot
Speaker 1: com forward slash Brett golds where you get about an
Speaker 1: extra twenty twenty five minutes of chat with Bobcat we
Speaker 1: go deep, we talk about beginnings and endings. You get
Speaker 1: a truly moving, profound secret from him. You'll get the
Speaker 1: whole episode uncut and as a video. Check it out
Speaker 1: over at patreon dot com. Forward Slash Brett Coldstein, Ted
Speaker 1: Lasso Season two is all available now an Apple TV class.
Speaker 1: You can watch the whole thing in one go have
Speaker 1: a cry, I have a laugh. Soulmate, Season mine is
Speaker 1: all on Amazon Prime. You can watch that too and
Speaker 1: have a laugh and a cry. And I think so.
Speaker 1: Bobcat gold Dwaite rose to fame in the Police Academy
Speaker 1: movies and over the last however many years has become
Speaker 1: an incredibly prolific and fascinating filmmaker, comedian and writer. We
Speaker 1: recorded this about a week ago. I was very grateful
Speaker 1: to him for being so open and honest with me.
Speaker 1: There's some really lovely stuff in here, and I really
Speaker 1: think you're going to love it. So that is it
Speaker 1: for now. I very much hope you enjoy episode one
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy three of Films to be Buried With. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to Films to be Buried With. It is
Speaker 1: I Brett Goldstein and I am joined today by an
Speaker 1: actor a writer, a stand up a director, a producer,
Speaker 1: a legend, a hero, and man we would describe as eclectic,
Speaker 1: a man who has done everything that can be done.
Speaker 1: Please welcome to the show, the man, the legend. It's
Speaker 1: mister Bobcat gold White. Oh well, thank you. That's such
Speaker 1: a kind introduction. It's very very sweet. I'm also a
Speaker 1: ninja and a ninja fuck yeah, fuck well you can.
Speaker 1: That's how good of a ninja I am. You didn't
Speaker 1: even yeah, yeah, really really good ninja ing. It's very
Speaker 1: nice to meet you, Bobcat. We've literally just met. It's
Speaker 1: great to meet you. I really love this show. You know.
Speaker 1: I live out in the woods, and listening to the
Speaker 1: show makes me feel like I'm hanging around with my friends.
Speaker 1: Uh where in the woods? Is it secret? I live
Speaker 1: in the Illinois. I moved during the pandemic to about
Speaker 1: an hour outside of Chicago, and I live on a
Speaker 1: dead end street in the woods. And uh, in the
Speaker 1: midwest of the US. I am I am thin, I
Speaker 1: am skinny here after living thirty five years in la
Speaker 1: I'm the I'm the I'm the Daniel Craig of DuPage County, Illinois.
Speaker 1: You're the hot bud in town. Yeah, that's working great.
Speaker 1: How do you feel having do you do you think
Speaker 1: do you feel settled that? Do you think this is
Speaker 1: it for a while? What do you miss? No? I
Speaker 1: love I love living here. And I also, you know,
Speaker 1: all the stuff that I've directed, none of it's in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles lately, and so you know, and I I mean,
Speaker 1: I can edit remotely and I get to keep working,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, but most most of the time, I'm
Speaker 1: out chopping wood. That's not a euphemism. I actually chop
Speaker 1: a lot of wood. Man, it does sound quite dreamy.
Speaker 1: My buddy is uh, I'm gonna start the name dropping,
Speaker 1: but uh Tom Kenny, who's the voice of SpongeBob SquarePants
Speaker 1: about my friends since I was six years old. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: we went to Catholic school together. We've known each other
Speaker 1: whole life. And I'm on a group text. And he
Speaker 1: doesn't think it's funny that I'm chopping wood. He's like, you, guys,
Speaker 1: bobcats shouldn't have a chainsaw. It's not even it's not
Speaker 1: don't think it's not funny. Don't encourage you. You shouldn't
Speaker 1: have axes. But and I go out and I fell
Speaker 1: trees and it's funny because my girlfriend's a liability claims adjustere.
Speaker 1: So like we'll go to disc we'll go to Disneyland
Speaker 1: and she'll be looking at like a little pool of
Speaker 1: water on the ground shoes. That's a claim, that's a claim.
Speaker 1: So but she has no problem to me walking through
Speaker 1: the yard with a chainsaw. You're a fucking walking claim.
Speaker 1: That's very sight the human claim. Yeah, I got so
Speaker 1: many things I wanted to ask you. One one, I mean,
Speaker 1: listen on a broad sky. Other things, I find you
Speaker 1: as a whole, Like I love the fact that you
Speaker 1: do literally everything that you do, stand up, that you write,
Speaker 1: that you make films. And I also love that your
Speaker 1: films are so wildly different that it's actually quite hard
Speaker 1: to pinpoint, like what is a Bobcat Goldway thing? Like,
Speaker 1: as in, they're also very different. I mean, i'd say
Speaker 1: there's a darkness in them. Maybe we'd connect. I argue
Speaker 1: on it, but I thank you for noticing. Well. I
Speaker 1: would say I would agree with your argument. I'd say
Speaker 1: there's a darkness and the sweetness. They seem outwardly to
Speaker 1: be cynical, but actually, in the end, I think you
Speaker 1: have a real love in facting all of them now
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about it, they all end quite with a
Speaker 1: lot of love and heart. Yeah, well, thank you, I
Speaker 1: mean thanks for watching them. You know, I jokingly say
Speaker 1: my movies make hundreds of dollars, but I think the
Speaker 1: only cynical one it was probably Garbos America, where you
Speaker 1: know it just rekiller comedy. I don't know, but I
Speaker 1: mean I say, it's a very violent film about kindness.
Speaker 1: But and I made it years ago, but I truly
Speaker 1: was wondering where we were going. Sounds very pretentious, but
Speaker 1: I was wondering where we were going as people, because
Speaker 1: you know, we're just so cruel and getting so out
Speaker 1: of control. And it got much worse than anything in
Speaker 1: that movie. Yeah, that's interesting. Like I watched your bigfoot
Speaker 1: film will I Creak, and I love that, and it's
Speaker 1: also like so differentrom everything else, and I miss you
Speaker 1: tell me. But I think the thing that's most interesting
Speaker 1: about that film is that it's the most pure found
Speaker 1: footage film ever, like as in, there's no cheating. It's
Speaker 1: like this is what the footage would be, and this
Speaker 1: is where the footage would end, and you can't cheat it. Yeah. Thanks.
Speaker 1: My problems always been with found footage, just like, I'm
Speaker 1: sorry your family got raped and killed. But I think
Speaker 1: if we recut it, there's a tremendous picture in here
Speaker 1: for everyone. So I there's only sixty seven edits in
Speaker 1: all of Willow Creek, and it's basically if you just
Speaker 1: hit play on a on a camera and and that's
Speaker 1: and that's what you would get. But you know that
Speaker 1: it's funny. The inspiration. I mean, I am kind of
Speaker 1: a big deal in the big Foot community. Whatever that's again, no, well,
Speaker 1: you know, oh yeah, whatever. I I'm sorry, my Braith
Speaker 1: going to so many stories. I was, I was around
Speaker 1: a campfire one night and where the Patterson Gimblin footage
Speaker 1: was shot, the actual you know that footage, the famous
Speaker 1: footage that and uh it's two and a half hours
Speaker 1: down on eleven mile Road. And then you hike in
Speaker 1: and you're in the middle of nowhere, and we saw
Speaker 1: two mountain lions and and uh so I'm sitting by
Speaker 1: the one guy who's got a gun, this guy, and
Speaker 1: and so Tommy Amarone, who's the Bob Dylan of the
Speaker 1: big Foot community, was there and he sang his entire catalog,
Speaker 1: all songs that are centric to Bigfoot history, and he
Speaker 1: goes through about seventeen songs and then he runs out.
Speaker 1: He's a big guy and he's in Camo and we're
Speaker 1: on a campfire, and he's like he didn't have any
Speaker 1: more songs. He goes, you guys like Jewel. I go,
Speaker 1: I would love to hear you sing Jewel. So that
Speaker 1: Tommy Ameron sang Jewel. And then the guy that had
Speaker 1: the gun, Rod Robert Leederman, I go, he says to me.
Speaker 1: He goes, you know, I'm a writer too. I go, oh,
Speaker 1: what do you write? He says, well, you know Twilight?
Speaker 1: I go, of course, He goes, well, I write tween
Speaker 1: fiction set in the Bigfoot community. And I go, oh,
Speaker 1: what's the name of your book? You know, I think
Speaker 1: I'm gonna look it up. He goes, well, the first
Speaker 1: one's Yetti or not. And this is the guy that's
Speaker 1: keeping me from getting mauled by a mountain lion. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: that sounds great, But I can go on about big
Speaker 1: Foot forever, but we won't go down that road. Tell me, well,
Speaker 1: with all your h is there a big Foot in
Speaker 1: your head? I want to live in a world that
Speaker 1: there's an eight hundred pound what eight. It's a little
Speaker 1: bit like if Spielberg comparing myself to Spielberg. But if
Speaker 1: Spielberg came out said, hey, there's no aliens, you would say,
Speaker 1: oh man, you just ruine et. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So exactly, I don't want to live in a world
Speaker 1: whether there isn't the positive by the way you have
Speaker 1: posed are real now, so you know, maybe the government's
Speaker 1: gonna come out and say, oh, by the way, Bigfoot's
Speaker 1: real too. Yeah, Like this past year has been so
Speaker 1: messed up that the government came out and said you
Speaker 1: AFOs are real, and no one battered an eye. They
Speaker 1: were like, yeah, that that tracks. Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: It was just a sort of normal news day, wasn't
Speaker 1: It was like oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeahs are here, Okay, cool.
Speaker 1: What about here's the other thing I want to know
Speaker 1: about you? So you do stand up? Are you doing
Speaker 1: stand up at the moment? Now you're in an annoy er?
Speaker 1: Is that stuf for a while? Yeah? No, I'm out.
Speaker 1: I'm out all the time. You know, there's a connection
Speaker 1: that you make with a live audience. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: I need money, Uh, go out on the road to
Speaker 1: make friend so I could keep making you know, I
Speaker 1: make a living so I can make movies. I don't
Speaker 1: make really movies. Yeah yeah, so so so that's why
Speaker 1: i'm I'm it's a great job, trust me, you know,
Speaker 1: although the audiences are so I mean, they're just it's
Speaker 1: like a people can't act right getting on a plane.
Speaker 1: Do you think they can act right to drink minimum?
Speaker 1: And then you know z from police academies. Politics don't
Speaker 1: line up with yours. It's it's ugly out there for me,
Speaker 1: you know, It's why I want to know, right you
Speaker 1: looking at your stuff, like you have directed a lot
Speaker 1: of really amazing comedy specials, other people's other people standing
Speaker 1: up shows, and you did Chappelle's show, and you've done
Speaker 1: like what is your if you can summit out, like
Speaker 1: what's your secret of directing comics and how to make
Speaker 1: a good special? What's your how do you do it?
Speaker 1: Mostly to make sure they're comfortable, you know, So there's
Speaker 1: some some comedians want to know everything, how it's going
Speaker 1: to be shot, and what's the stage and what they're
Speaker 1: you know, and then other folks just show up. But
Speaker 1: the idea is that when they get there, all they
Speaker 1: gotta do is do that show. And all they gotta
Speaker 1: do is that show that they've done over and over again.
Speaker 1: So sometimes there's a little bit of like structuring people's
Speaker 1: acts and maybe pitching a line here and there, and
Speaker 1: then other people. You know. Ron Funches was a blast.
Speaker 1: You know, he loves wrestling, and so we did this
Speaker 1: big wrestling open, you know, but that what I did patents.
Speaker 1: I've done two of patents. You know. I knew he
Speaker 1: was going to disclose about his wife passing away. So
Speaker 1: the last thing you want is an opening that's like
Speaker 1: ladies and gentleman, you know. So he gets out on
Speaker 1: the stage and three shots, there's a shot exterior that dissolves,
Speaker 1: and then he's in a hallway as usually two shots,
Speaker 1: and then he and he just walks out there by
Speaker 1: himself because he was we all knew the elephant in
Speaker 1: the room. He was walking out there all by himself.
Speaker 1: So that when he tells that story, it's just on
Speaker 1: a single camera with a really slow, slow push. Because
Speaker 1: I knew I didn't we weren't gonna I wasn't gonna
Speaker 1: be cutting around the room, and the cut off his
Speaker 1: face would have been horrible. So I had a long lens.
Speaker 1: And then because it's because it's the digital age, I
Speaker 1: was able to keep this close up, going going, going, going, going,
Speaker 1: And you know, it's interesting. I was able to pick
Speaker 1: off people in the audience who were crying, but I
Speaker 1: did not want to put that in the special because
Speaker 1: I did a cut where you saw people crying because
Speaker 1: it felt very exploitive. It felt like you were watching it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I felt like you were watching a daytime chat show
Speaker 1: or something. So so there's different jobs, you know, and
Speaker 1: then it's it's it's you know I directed Kimmel for
Speaker 1: three years. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I was the guy
Speaker 1: in the booth. So it was like, yeah, no one
Speaker 1: knows that because like it's like, hey, you know that
Speaker 1: guy that said that the night drove fire and smashed
Speaker 1: up that other show, and yeah, he's our director. Yeah.
Speaker 1: ABC didn't let that out, So yeah, i'd be the
Speaker 1: guy in the booth called shots. Yeah. I was gonna
Speaker 1: tell a story, but it's well, there's two stories. There's
Speaker 1: one Grover the Muppet, not Washington or Cleveland. Grover was
Speaker 1: on the show and he was laying on the stage
Speaker 1: floor and he was all flat and he's like all
Speaker 1: a Kimbo and he was like, it looked like a suicide.
Speaker 1: He looked like a a Weigi photo, you know. He
Speaker 1: was just like and I said that the puppeteer, I
Speaker 1: was like, Yo, you gotta put Grover on. That's fucking
Speaker 1: up my ship big time because it was really disturbing.
Speaker 1: And I watched the man put on Grover and then
Speaker 1: Grover goes Hi Bobcat and it was like that Chris
Speaker 1: Farley show sketch. In the back of my head. I
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, Grover knows my name. The most struck
Speaker 1: I've ever been, dumb, most stars struck. Yeah, that makes
Speaker 1: sense to me. I mean it's like, you know, I've
Speaker 1: had I've met and hung out a lot of people,
Speaker 1: but I could not. I couldn't keep my shit together.
Speaker 1: And then and at that same moment, too though, I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, this is clearly where I must have
Speaker 1: got my old act. Like I was like, since memory
Speaker 1: of as a kid, you know, can you got the
Speaker 1: ten John John? It's really the same cadence. I mean,
Speaker 1: I really think comedically Grover probably influenced me more than anything.
Speaker 1: You're Grover, what a revelation. Listen steal from the greats
Speaker 1: if you're gonna do it, Yes, steal from the King,
Speaker 1: I think Grover, Yeah, I mean I And I think
Speaker 1: the earlier version of what I was doing on stage
Speaker 1: so was like it was like kind of childlike and
Speaker 1: he was goofy and hurt and mad. So so I
Speaker 1: guess it's definitely muppet like the thing of not using
Speaker 1: those shots of people cry. I am well. I always
Speaker 1: fascinated with how you make a live show then televised,
Speaker 1: and how you capture the feeling, Like I think the
Speaker 1: hardest things capture his live comedy, the feeling what it's
Speaker 1: like when you're in the audience when you then watch
Speaker 1: it on TV. Yeah, what's your well no, because like
Speaker 1: when you watch it, it's like, you know, it's you're
Speaker 1: watching a show and you might be engaged with the
Speaker 1: comedian and then suddenly the director goes, hey, what would
Speaker 1: it look like if you had the worst seat in
Speaker 1: the house and then they got to a big white show.
Speaker 1: You know, it's so disturbing. I just did the documentary
Speaker 1: that I did with Dana Gould and myself audiences are
Speaker 1: I kind of want to do this in the future.
Speaker 1: Like sometimes I put long lenses and then push in
Speaker 1: and like like when I did Marry and he's all
Speaker 1: inside his head. So I just had lenses that were
Speaker 1: so close that there are more again cinematic, they were
Speaker 1: more close ups than that flat guy in front of
Speaker 1: a curtain. But when Dana and I did the thing,
Speaker 1: I just told the audience, look, there's cameramen here. So
Speaker 1: we're telling stories, and there's a camera that's like a
Speaker 1: foot from my face, and there racking focus between the
Speaker 1: two of us as we tell stories. And it was
Speaker 1: done that way. Not it was a very low budgeted thing,
Speaker 1: but people who see it tell me that that was
Speaker 1: the closest it felt like being in a comedy club.
Speaker 1: And I'd like to tell you I was that inspired,
Speaker 1: but I just kind of was thinking, well, I don't
Speaker 1: have all the cameras to make it look all all
Speaker 1: the bells and whistles, so I'm gonna just invite the
Speaker 1: cameras to be on stage, I mean really on stage
Speaker 1: with us. And I knew I was shooting enough shows
Speaker 1: that if a camera blew one of the shots, there'd
Speaker 1: be another version of the material. That's fucking cool. The
Speaker 1: part of the joy ride with Dana and myself that
Speaker 1: I'm excited about as a person who makes movies is
Speaker 1: there's genuine times where where the audience is talking to
Speaker 1: us and it's just captured in a single shot and
Speaker 1: it's not whipping your panning. It just happened to be there,
Speaker 1: and so I think hopefully, And also I felt like,
Speaker 1: you know, behind the scenes footage of comedy is usually
Speaker 1: really painful because watching comics trying to be on it's horrible.
Speaker 1: So on purpose, I put the cameras in the backseat
Speaker 1: so Dana and I wouldn't perform for him and lo
Speaker 1: and Behold, of course we do. We were filming, but
Speaker 1: we we got. We got way more honest than we
Speaker 1: normally would. Joey right is the only thing of Pease
Speaker 1: I haven't seen. But I did watch the trailers today
Speaker 1: and it looked I really really liked it. How to
Speaker 1: lat Field that you were talking about, it looked really great.
Speaker 1: I look forward to saying that, Bob Cat But fuck
Speaker 1: what I've forgotten I've forgotten to tell you something. But shit,
Speaker 1: we've been talking. I know I got bumped. No, no, no no,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have Gilbert and Gilbert god free. You're going alphabetically. Well,
Speaker 1: let's say you got bumped. In quite a big way.
Speaker 1: You you've you've died, You're dead dead, I'm I'm dead.
Speaker 1: Uh okay, Well you say I died. I mean i've
Speaker 1: I've I've died many many nights. You mean you mean
Speaker 1: you made pushing up daisies. Uh, I mean yeah, this
Speaker 1: is uh, this is it. I gotta tell you. Uh.
Speaker 1: Some people lost some money on a pool. They thought
Speaker 1: I was going out in the eighties, so they could
Speaker 1: just cram it. They could just suck it. I win.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm dead, but I'm very Uh. I'm not
Speaker 1: thrilled about it, you know. Uh, but I'm happy we're talking.
Speaker 1: What what? How did you die? Oh? Now I remember?
Speaker 1: Now I feel like an idiot. I feel like a
Speaker 1: big idiot. No, I'm the idiot. I should have remembered.
Speaker 1: But it didn't make the press. It was it was
Speaker 1: it was classified as a timely death, but it wasn't
Speaker 1: like he was killed in his prime. So it's not
Speaker 1: your It's not on you. So I uh sadly, I
Speaker 1: h Here's the thing you probably don't know about me
Speaker 1: is that I love skydiving. That is my favorite thing
Speaker 1: in the whole world. I love the sky dive and uh,
Speaker 1: it's the kind of thing. It's like scuba diving. It's
Speaker 1: like people who you know, you get cocky, you get
Speaker 1: you do it over and over and you're not thinking safety.
Speaker 1: And I went out the plane and I I forgot
Speaker 1: my parachute, so I was I was plummeting to the earth. Yea.
Speaker 1: And I thought, well, I'm dying now. I could freak
Speaker 1: out or I could go this is beautiful. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: gonna die doing my favorite thing. And I could just
Speaker 1: enjoy the ride and I'd love to tell you I'm
Speaker 1: a better man than this. But I freaked the fuck out.
Speaker 1: I shipped my pants. I was completely dehydrated. I was
Speaker 1: a bag of bones, back of skinting and bones. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean it sounded good. Yeah, I just enjoy the ride.
Speaker 1: But no, I I crap myself. Where did you land?
Speaker 1: Oh uh? That's the part that I thought would get
Speaker 1: more pressed. I hit a bus of orphans. Oh wow?
Speaker 1: And did they They were they were fine. They were fine.
Speaker 1: They just told the kids that Randy Quaid fell on
Speaker 1: the bus. That's a joke. That's not a podcast joke.
Speaker 1: People don't know that I look like right now that
Speaker 1: I'm Randy quaid biopic for the Patriots, are watching the
Speaker 1: video that like that. That's a good joke. My dream
Speaker 1: death is skydiving and dinip in the sheet. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'd leave out the shifting myself and landing on the office.
Speaker 1: That is my that's my dream death, is it really? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And have you discussed this before in my in my life?
Speaker 1: I have, you know, it's usually my opinion with the
Speaker 1: l or on stage. It's like first date, first date. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm running on a string of dates. Once and I said,
Speaker 1: you know, I was on the third date after two
Speaker 1: other dates, and I said this the past two women
Speaker 1: I dated, they they they said they wanted to commit suicide.
Speaker 1: And the woman said during the date, which is pretty funny.
Speaker 1: You know, I used to think much darker, Like when
Speaker 1: I would think a suicide, I would actually think I
Speaker 1: would take someone out with me. I wouldn't kill them.
Speaker 1: I would just break into someone's home like an n
Speaker 1: A guy, take his gun and go, hey, explain this,
Speaker 1: and then blow my face off. It would be like,
Speaker 1: this is a funny story. Bob scratch gold Farb came
Speaker 1: in here and blew his face off. Tell me this.
Speaker 1: Do you worry about death. I think about death all
Speaker 1: the time. Yeah, but I don't worry about it. I
Speaker 1: don't go, oh, this could go wrong and I could die,
Speaker 1: you know. Like I repelled and nude from the roof
Speaker 1: of the Oakland Coliseum once during a Nirvana concert, and
Speaker 1: I was one hundred and fifty feet up in the air,
Speaker 1: and I wasn't worried about dying. I never repelled before.
Speaker 1: I was more like, going, I hope this is funny.
Speaker 1: By the way, if you're naked, it was midnight. It
Speaker 1: was New Year's Eve. If you're naked at midnight, you
Speaker 1: don't get a kiss. I was just that's good. That's
Speaker 1: that's good. Life lessons for everyone. Life lessons. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: had the inuter wings on. I had the angel wings on,
Speaker 1: and I had a hat, which I like. It's like
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, well, I don't mind
Speaker 1: if people see my love handles and my gut and
Speaker 1: my penis, but I don't want to see my balding pate.
Speaker 1: What do you think happens when you die? What do
Speaker 1: you think? Do you think there's enough to life? I
Speaker 1: don't believe in one. But I'm not the person I
Speaker 1: used to be. I used to be an atheist agnostic
Speaker 1: than an atheist. And now I actually do believe that
Speaker 1: there's some sort of God. Now to go beyond that,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've had I've been there when when
Speaker 1: someone dies and I had that was actually a turning
Speaker 1: point for me because I didn't feel that person left.
Speaker 1: I felt like something was released into this that you
Speaker 1: couldn't stop. That you couldn't stop it was this man
Speaker 1: was just he was of course I can't call him
Speaker 1: on the phone, but he was still there, still gonna
Speaker 1: be there. So um changed my perception. I really like that. Well,
Speaker 1: I got good news for you. There is a heaven.
Speaker 1: Oh oh that's a relief. Yeah, that's really good. What
Speaker 1: do they do it? Heaven't still be your favorite thing?
Speaker 1: What's your favorite thing? I like ducks. It's got ducks,
Speaker 1: wool to wool ducks. But the wolves are made of ducks,
Speaker 1: the chairs are made of ducks. In a way, it's
Speaker 1: too many ducks for some that that doesn't exist. Too
Speaker 1: many ducks. That's why it's your heaven. That's my heaven.
Speaker 1: Ducks everywhere there's ducks and pizza. Ducks and pizza and
Speaker 1: my oh and my daughter and girlfriend. I don't want
Speaker 1: them in heaven because that would be they were dead.
Speaker 1: They've got a good run. Yeah. They also there's no
Speaker 1: room for them with all the ducks, so it's fine,
Speaker 1: don't worry about that. Don't be fine. So many ducks,
Speaker 1: well ones allergic to down so so it's for the best. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the ducks, they're so excited to see you, but
Speaker 1: they want to know about your life, and they want
Speaker 1: to know about your life through film. The first thing
Speaker 1: they ask you is what is and they say that
Speaker 1: this is talking Ducks. They say, well, it's the first
Speaker 1: film you remember seeing. Look at this is the best?
Speaker 1: Have it ever? I got talking ducks? And they want
Speaker 1: to watch movies with me. Yeah, I might go scratch
Speaker 1: an itch with a thirty eight tonight. This is this
Speaker 1: sounds unbelievable. Yeah, the first movie that I remember like seeing,
Speaker 1: Like I went to the movies on my own kind
Speaker 1: of yea. Well, because I have a long, weird story.
Speaker 1: I remember I went with the neighbors to a drive
Speaker 1: in and they took us to a kids movie and
Speaker 1: then all the kids fell asleep and me and mister Toole,
Speaker 1: the father, watched this really violent Clint Eastwin movie that
Speaker 1: I can't figure out which one it was. It might
Speaker 1: have been High Points Drifted, but I don't know if
Speaker 1: the timing it could have been like a like would
Speaker 1: make sense if it's like a put on a driving
Speaker 1: double bill a few years after. But the first movie
Speaker 1: I remember seeing it was released as Godzilla Versus the
Speaker 1: Smog Monster, and but the real name is it's Godzilla
Speaker 1: versus head Raw He Dora. But when when I think
Speaker 1: about it, it just blew my mind. It was so
Speaker 1: great and and uh, it wasn't like the other Godzilla
Speaker 1: movies just because a lot of the fighting happened at night,
Speaker 1: so it looked a little less yeah, a little less cheesy.
Speaker 1: But it was really funny because the Smog Monster, this
Speaker 1: monster was eight pollution, which seems like it would be
Speaker 1: good for the environment. But he lived, but he still
Speaker 1: was really mad. Yeah we did get rid of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he was he ate pollution, and he got bigger
Speaker 1: and stronger and back she got so big he could
Speaker 1: actually fly. And then there's a great scene where Godzilla
Speaker 1: he's flying. Now he's got to fly to catch up
Speaker 1: with the smog Monster, and he breathes. He's not breathing fire.
Speaker 1: It looks more like he's just like hot airs coming
Speaker 1: out of his mouth and he flies backwards. So God's
Speaker 1: little flies backwards with his like his heletosis, with his
Speaker 1: bad breath or something. And it looks awesome if you
Speaker 1: see it. But so this movie, and in the American version,
Speaker 1: they had added a song about saving the Earth and
Speaker 1: that was the name of the song, Saved the Earth,
Speaker 1: Save the Earth, saved there, and it's very psychedelic, and
Speaker 1: the whole movie is kind of trippy. It's very psychedelic.
Speaker 1: But I came home after seeing that movie and the
Speaker 1: message spoke to me, and I told my mother that
Speaker 1: this is the greatest movie ever made, you know, like,
Speaker 1: like everybody's got to see this. What sing me this song? Oh,
Speaker 1: it's just goes save the Earth, Save the Earth. But
Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of lyrics. But that's the part
Speaker 1: that I remember fifty years later. But it was very woke.
Speaker 1: It was, you know, it was one of those weird
Speaker 1: Godzilla movies where godzill is actually a good guy. I
Speaker 1: think Godzilla should just be a bad guy. That's more fun.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm so sorry I met Where did you
Speaker 1: grow up? Was this in la? Oh? I grew up
Speaker 1: in Central New York. I grew up in Syracuse, New York. Oh, okay,
Speaker 1: that's where I grew up with. That's why I grew
Speaker 1: up with Tom Kenny and Syracuse. Yeah so, so we've
Speaker 1: known each other since we were six, introduced by a
Speaker 1: crying nun for the for the folks listening tom Kenny's
Speaker 1: voice of SpongeBob, but he doesn't million other cartoons, but
Speaker 1: Tommy was. This nun was sobbing, and she drags me
Speaker 1: into his classroom and leaves me, and she goes, I
Speaker 1: can't take him anymore. And I started crying because I
Speaker 1: thought I wasn't going to see my classmates. And Tom
Speaker 1: Kenny just thought it was really cool that I could
Speaker 1: make a grown nun cry. And he introduced himself during lunch.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you where my ego is, like he
Speaker 1: he You know, Tommy had these big, thick glasses at
Speaker 1: first grade and he was really skinny, and and my
Speaker 1: ego was, I gotta be this kid's friend. Man, he's doomed,
Speaker 1: wasn't It wasn't like, Oh I met another star. Belly sneeched,
Speaker 1: We're gonna be good friends, you know. I met another weirdo.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'll take him under my wing. But
Speaker 1: you know I didn't. I didn't have any friends. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna sort this fucking kid out. Jesus. I like that.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell him what's up. This kid needs a hero.
Speaker 1: I'm here. This kid needs a hero, and this kid
Speaker 1: needs someone that's his parents are gonna be really excited
Speaker 1: that we're friends, because I would later on in high
Speaker 1: school i'd be going to jail and stuff and thank
Speaker 1: for you know bullshit. And Tom Kenny's mother goes, oh,
Speaker 1: so your friend was in the paper, your special friend. Yeah,
Speaker 1: riddle me this. What is the film that made you cry?
Speaker 1: To my? Are you a cryer? Do you cry? Well?
Speaker 1: I cry a lot. Yeah. I actually just cried the
Speaker 1: other night watching um, The Electrical Life of Louis Wayne.
Speaker 1: Yeah that was Oh I cried all through it. But
Speaker 1: I mean that was just me. It was interesting. I
Speaker 1: got that script to consider rewriting it and directing it.
Speaker 1: You know, you still have to take meetings and stuff.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't the script they made. They did not
Speaker 1: to boohoo the original script, but boy it was. It
Speaker 1: was so good and visually it was so great and
Speaker 1: It's really cool when you don't get a part or
Speaker 1: don't get a thing, and then the person that does
Speaker 1: it kills it, it is good. I meant. I met
Speaker 1: with Tim Burton years ago to be uh for Beetlejuice.
Speaker 1: It was like there was this little window where I
Speaker 1: had heat and I was on the list of names,
Speaker 1: and I met with Tim Burton and I didn't get
Speaker 1: the part. Obvious and uh so so so in another universe,
Speaker 1: I'm Batman. Wow, I love that. But but when I
Speaker 1: saw Michael Keaton and what he did, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is awesome. I'm glad that's not me. This is great.
Speaker 1: So uh yeah, that that Louis Wayne made me cry.
Speaker 1: But you know, I'm a sucker for people that people
Speaker 1: who are either mentally ill or perceived as mentally ill,
Speaker 1: that that have to create and doesn't matter what people
Speaker 1: say about them. I mean, they just have to. So
Speaker 1: so that movie destroyed me. But like, uh, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you sorry about the movie that I bawled my eyes out.
Speaker 1: It has to do with me. Great. I went to
Speaker 1: see Man on the Moon the Andy Kaufman. I like
Speaker 1: it and I need to revisit it again. But so
Speaker 1: for years I had this persona people who aren't familiar
Speaker 1: with me. It was his character, and I always did
Speaker 1: interviews as that person and I just I didn't want
Speaker 1: Andy was a big hero, and I never felt I
Speaker 1: don't want people to know me, and I felt really
Speaker 1: safe hiding behind this persona. And my mother hated it.
Speaker 1: My mother hated it. Yeah, my mother saw my first
Speaker 1: HBO special. She's like, well, I don't know how I
Speaker 1: can go to mass now. She thought her friends were
Speaker 1: gonna like hated the persona. And there's a scene in
Speaker 1: that movie where Andy's mother's just so fed up with
Speaker 1: Andy being Andy Kaufman and she's fed up with it
Speaker 1: and she just would like him to be her son.
Speaker 1: And my mother had just died, and my mother never
Speaker 1: got that. My mother never got me just being me ever,
Speaker 1: and I lost it. It was like a premiere and
Speaker 1: I was just sobbing uncontrollably. So I mean, I could
Speaker 1: say it's a wonderful life. That's that's the answer, that's
Speaker 1: right there. I really appreciate that. I don't think I
Speaker 1: told anyone that. That's very very moving. I love the
Speaker 1: fact that I started out of the premiere just like
Speaker 1: snodled down my face, like, well, I gotta go. Had
Speaker 1: you had you had you stopped doing the passign it
Speaker 1: by the point you'd seen the film or no, no,
Speaker 1: so I've been still hiding behind it. So my mother
Speaker 1: had never saw me just be myself. I mean, we're
Speaker 1: never herself self, but you know, never saw me just
Speaker 1: go out and and I think my mother hated the character.
Speaker 1: A friend of mine said, you know, your mother doesn't
Speaker 1: hate you. Your mother loves you so much. She thinks
Speaker 1: that people should just applaud when you walk out on stage.
Speaker 1: She doesn't think you should do a character or tell jokes.
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, yeah, that's very sweet man. What's
Speaker 1: the I mean that's made me cry? What's the film
Speaker 1: that scared you to mice? And do you like being scared?
Speaker 1: Easily scared? I'm not easily scared, jump scared. At this point,
Speaker 1: I think we all are like, ah, all right, you
Speaker 1: know it's it's it's a bait and switch, you know,
Speaker 1: but but I love to be scared. Uh, this is
Speaker 1: a stupid story, I'll guys. So I we were talking
Speaker 1: about the movie I made Will Creek, and I don't
Speaker 1: mean that this is it, but this is so there's
Speaker 1: that scene. It's nineteen minutes long and the camera never moves.
Speaker 1: We're just in a tent and you hear things. And
Speaker 1: I was in a theater watching it for the first time,
Speaker 1: and then a scare comes sasquatches outside the tent, and
Speaker 1: I screamed, and my friend, who was in the movie,
Speaker 1: she goes, uh, that's you, dummy. Because I was a spoiler.
Speaker 1: I was big fun you know, I was outside the tent.
Speaker 1: But the reason I made that scene, it wasn't to
Speaker 1: make a scary movie. It was to make a suspenseful
Speaker 1: I didn't know if I could make a suspenseful thing
Speaker 1: like I always love when you're watching a Tarantino movie,
Speaker 1: there's always like a three people. Sometimes one of the people,
Speaker 1: one of the or persons aren't in the scene and
Speaker 1: you're at the edge of your seat and nothing's happening.
Speaker 1: And that's what I was trying to do. I wanted
Speaker 1: to see if I could do that. But like jump Scares,
Speaker 1: you know, the first Tremors, I remember going to that
Speaker 1: and just thinking yeah, and I had low expectations, like
Speaker 1: I don't like reading reviews and no, I just saw Tremors. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm in it. You know whatever, let's go, you know,
Speaker 1: teen Wolf, what's it about? You know anything? It's just
Speaker 1: and that movie just I loved. I love the scares
Speaker 1: and obviously the cliches, you know, people like you know,
Speaker 1: Jaws and things like that. But but Tremors was a
Speaker 1: great one. But I was listening to the program and
Speaker 1: Pete Holmes brought up The Strangers and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: because that is one that is is terrifying the idea,
Speaker 1: because that's not that far fetched. Home invasion movies are
Speaker 1: always terrifying to me because that's not that far and
Speaker 1: fetch it does happen. And I live out in the woods,
Speaker 1: so yeah, I think that, like anyone who lives in
Speaker 1: the woods in films are in danger. I can't think
Speaker 1: of a film where people live in the woods and
Speaker 1: it's fine. Yeah yeah, oh maybe straw Dogs. But outside
Speaker 1: of that, when you live remotely, yeah, it's like it's
Speaker 1: like I think my neighbors, you know, like I haven't
Speaker 1: even met the neighbors, you know. I remember when we
Speaker 1: moved here, it was snowing and I saw a bunch
Speaker 1: of deer in my backyard and I got a bunch
Speaker 1: of apples and ran out put on these boots and
Speaker 1: then I'm like out there and I'm like, hey, you're
Speaker 1: in your underwear. So I'm just this guy. It's underwear
Speaker 1: being deer and bare duck boots. But I, um, I
Speaker 1: would have to say, like a movie and it's it's
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't even know what it falls under,
Speaker 1: but like it's not a horror picture. But Requiem for
Speaker 1: a Dream is a terrifying movie. That is a fantastic
Speaker 1: ons and the fan and it's the Elements and it's
Speaker 1: an addiction and and mom, and yeah, that that that movie.
Speaker 1: I know it's it's blasphemy to you, but I did
Speaker 1: watch that one home. I did not seem to get out,
Speaker 1: get out of here? Who are you? But but I
Speaker 1: have to say that I was so grateful I watched
Speaker 1: at home because I had to stop. I had to
Speaker 1: keep stopping. I was like, I go, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, Like I stopped the movie. I was like, uh,
Speaker 1: all right, all right, you're you're not gonna get You're
Speaker 1: not gonna beat me. I'm gonna finish this movie. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that that to me, at least they will have a
Speaker 1: happy ending. Yeah, that is a horror picture. That is
Speaker 1: a horror picture. That's timely a horror picture. It's and
Speaker 1: it's and it builds and builds and builds, and it's
Speaker 1: a very impressive piece of work. But I tell you
Speaker 1: what I really like really interesting about Reckon for Your
Speaker 1: Dream is I really loved that film. I was a
Speaker 1: certain age, it was a certain time, et cetera. But
Speaker 1: there's like behind the scenes footage of it on the DVD,
Speaker 1: and wow, when you see because it's also quick cut,
Speaker 1: and when you see the actual filming of stuff, it
Speaker 1: looks insane, and it also looks quite shit, like it
Speaker 1: looks like, you know, the washing machine that's like a yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, actually filming that looks rubbish. It looks bad,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I'm sure it's probably done with fishing line
Speaker 1: or something. Yeah. And there's a moment with like Christopher
Speaker 1: mcquarie and he and the behind the scenes looks like
Speaker 1: and maybe I'm reading stuff into it, but it looks
Speaker 1: like he's looking around like what the fuck have I
Speaker 1: signed up to like this? Like it looks on his
Speaker 1: face like this film is a disaster. What am I doing?
Speaker 1: And then it's all cut together and you go, this's
Speaker 1: a fucking masterpiece. Like, it's so interesting seeing it broken
Speaker 1: down like that. I should look at the behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: I need to go back and watch it again because
Speaker 1: it's an amazing movie. But I remember more how drained
Speaker 1: I felt watching that. Yeah, it's it's really properly hardcore
Speaker 1: that film. Tell me this, what is a film that
Speaker 1: most people don't like. It's critically not acclaimed, but you
Speaker 1: love it unconditionally. Yeah, well it's it's definitely critically hated.
Speaker 1: But it's the movie Jack Frost. Michael Keaton. No, it's
Speaker 1: the horror one. Yeah, yeah, nineteen ninety seven, the one
Speaker 1: before Jack. Yeah, Michael Keaton. Here's the thing about those
Speaker 1: two movies. Michael Keaton is a dad and learns to
Speaker 1: become a good dad by because after he gets killed
Speaker 1: the carrec and he turns into a snow man and
Speaker 1: then he be he learns how to be a good
Speaker 1: dad as a snow man. I don't know. So. And
Speaker 1: he's also rock and roll and he plays harmonica, which
Speaker 1: I don't Harmonica is not a rock and roll instrument.
Speaker 1: It's a it's for Hobos, Hobo's Hobos and Bob Dylan.
Speaker 1: But there is one a year before where there's a
Speaker 1: serial killer and car accident and he escapes on the
Speaker 1: night that he's gonna be put to death, and then
Speaker 1: he reeks vengeance on a town where they're having their
Speaker 1: annual snowman making contest and he's got a grudge with
Speaker 1: the sheriff. Now, the reason that I love that movie
Speaker 1: is because, like you, I don't like to hate watch movies,
Speaker 1: and I don't even like to put down movies, but
Speaker 1: there's a spirit in that movie where they're trying their best.
Speaker 1: They're trying to make a horror film. They're trying to
Speaker 1: make the snow Man Freddy Krueger, he's cracking wise, you know,
Speaker 1: and the it's snow. Snow is not scary, it's just
Speaker 1: so ingenious. So and when you watch the movie, I
Speaker 1: can tell that, like the snow in the actual town melted,
Speaker 1: so scenes from it's definitely got that ed Wood thing
Speaker 1: where there's snow and then they're walking and there's no snow.
Speaker 1: But there's a spirit to it that I love watching
Speaker 1: because it's all in camera effects. It's all in camera effects.
Speaker 1: It's shooting things backwards, it's strings, it's puppets, it's it's
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. And I really love the
Speaker 1: movie and if it's on, I stop and I have
Speaker 1: to watch it. And I love Jack Frost. Now the
Speaker 1: other one, I haven't sat there yet, but I do
Speaker 1: know the plot because I auditioned for something in it.
Speaker 1: I know that. That's why I do the plot. I
Speaker 1: can't believe you are constantly chasing Michael Keaton. Michael Keaton
Speaker 1: keeps taking your pot. I had that that prick I was.
Speaker 1: I was supposed to be in bird Man. You supposed
Speaker 1: to be bad Man. And Jack Frost, on the other hand,
Speaker 1: what is a film that you used to love a
Speaker 1: lot and then you've seen it recently and you don't
Speaker 1: love it anymore. It might not necessarily be because it's
Speaker 1: now bad. It might just be you your personal taste
Speaker 1: has changed. Like, what what's that? Yeah, well, I loved
Speaker 1: Billy Jack growing up. Billy Jack. This actor Tom Laughlin
Speaker 1: plays this ex that and he says he's an indigenous person,
Speaker 1: but in real life Tom Laughlin wasn't. But he's a
Speaker 1: little bananas and it's a karate film. And the first
Speaker 1: time you see Billy Jack he shows up in a
Speaker 1: movie Born Losers. They gave Tom Laughlin, they let him
Speaker 1: make Billy Jack, but then he had to do this
Speaker 1: biker film and even though Born Losers came up first,
Speaker 1: Billy Jack. Billy Jack is one of the first movies
Speaker 1: that was for Wald. He was before the blockbusters. Tom
Speaker 1: Laughlin bought national spots, bought up commercials, and bought up theaters.
Speaker 1: So he was the precursor to what happened with Jaws
Speaker 1: and all that stuff, because normally a movie would open
Speaker 1: in cities and keep rolling out. So he said, if
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to spend this much money on TV commercials,
Speaker 1: So Billy Jack was a surprised, huge hit. Billy Jack
Speaker 1: he gives these long winded speeches before he kicked someone's
Speaker 1: ass and that's the best. You know, he goes it's
Speaker 1: just they're beautiful, and he just goes on and on
Speaker 1: and on, and someone should just shoot him. But it's
Speaker 1: Billy act the world. So he gives he tells you,
Speaker 1: you know, he tells you, he describes the pain he's
Speaker 1: going to inflict on you, and and and then he does,
Speaker 1: and it's great. So the sequel was the Trial of
Speaker 1: Billy Jack. There's also Billy Jack goes to Washington and
Speaker 1: this this whatever, But Billy Jack. The trial was the
Speaker 1: one I thought all those wonderful speeches were in, and
Speaker 1: I brought my girlfriend. I don't I know this is
Speaker 1: a podcast. I'll give you a visual aid. I actually had.
Speaker 1: I have a prop. I had a Billy Jack hat
Speaker 1: made amazing. So I go to the movie. I'm wearing
Speaker 1: the Billy Jack hat. It's the New Beverly. I'm sitting there.
Speaker 1: I'm sure everyone loved it behind me, and it's three
Speaker 1: hours long as he just he talks people to death.
Speaker 1: There's no ask kicking. I'm just going, oh my god,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you are the best girlfriend ever. Like
Speaker 1: like it does not hold up the trial, Billy Now,
Speaker 1: Billy Jack still does hold up the fights and everything.
Speaker 1: Three hours on TV right now, this is a very
Speaker 1: It's like, you look great. I look like indigenous Abraham Lincoln.
Speaker 1: What is the film that means the most to you?
Speaker 1: Not necessarily the film itself is any good, but because
Speaker 1: the experience you had around seeing the film will always
Speaker 1: make it special to you. Bobcat called t I'm gonna
Speaker 1: exclude like, like I've had really insane experiences, like you know,
Speaker 1: like the first movie I had at Sundance I shot
Speaker 1: for twenty grand with a crew from Craigslist. And then
Speaker 1: you sit in the theater and it's packed. It's so
Speaker 1: it's gonna I'm gonna cry, you know. And it's a
Speaker 1: rom com. It's called Sleeping Dogs Lie, but it was
Speaker 1: called Stay when it was at Sundance, and it was
Speaker 1: tiny bit of bestiality around comment, a little bit of beastiality.
Speaker 1: And yeah, so that happens tastefully off camera, and we're
Speaker 1: at Sundance and I'm just I'm can't even I'm just
Speaker 1: a mess. I can't believe people are watching this movie projected.
Speaker 1: I didn't even think it could ever get projected. And
Speaker 1: the incident involving the bestiality happens at the beginning of
Speaker 1: the movie, very like I said, very tasteful off camera.
Speaker 1: And then this woman is getting up and she's gonna
Speaker 1: walk out of the theater. This is two minutes in,
Speaker 1: and her friend talks her into staying. And then about
Speaker 1: an hour later, that woman was crying. She was watching
Speaker 1: the movie and she's crying, and my daughter elbows me
Speaker 1: and she goes, look at your friend, and I see
Speaker 1: the woman sobbing, and my daughter goes, yeah, you cry, bitch,
Speaker 1: you cry, but I would that speaking of my daughter.
Speaker 1: Actually the movie that watching it as very emotional as um.
Speaker 1: I think it's because it was called Dad Alive, but
Speaker 1: brain Dead the Peter Jackson. Yeah, yeah, because because years
Speaker 1: ago when my daughter was young, I got that for
Speaker 1: Christmas and we watched it on Christmas. And then it's
Speaker 1: just becomes, isn't it. It's so glory, it's so beautiful again,
Speaker 1: puppets in camera. You know, it's really brilliant. It's just
Speaker 1: became a holiday tradition. So when I think of brain Dead,
Speaker 1: I think of, uh, my daughter. Finally, I think what
Speaker 1: you're saying about Stay or West Sleeping Dogs? Lie? Is
Speaker 1: that what westleping Sleeping dogs? Sleeping dogs? But yeah, Stay
Speaker 1: is a much better name. They said that. They were said, well,
Speaker 1: we can't call it that because there's a movie called
Speaker 1: Stay coming out. And I always hope that somebody confuses that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like someone's watching it for
Speaker 1: it's well knowing they what's gonna blow a dog? But
Speaker 1: that is what you do. That is the thing that
Speaker 1: connects a lot of your friends. Is like with World's Great,
Speaker 1: It's Dad. There's a really sort of challenging incident. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's also really moving. It's really it's
Speaker 1: really moving, and it is moving that family. It was
Speaker 1: funny because well, I don't care if was spoilers people,
Speaker 1: you know. So, so we had a screening and Billy
Speaker 1: Crystal comes up and he goes, you know, I watched
Speaker 1: the movie. I'm watching it and I'm going, oh, it's
Speaker 1: the father and son and the kids horrible. And then
Speaker 1: by the end they're gonna learned that they like each other.
Speaker 1: And then you killed the prick. Yeah, and you're like,
Speaker 1: you're wait, wait what it sounds dead and he's horrible,
Speaker 1: and I'm so confused, you know. So so you know,
Speaker 1: I have such fun memories of me in that movie
Speaker 1: because Robin and I were really close. But you know,
Speaker 1: he was going to Abin was gonna he thought he
Speaker 1: was gonna do me a solid and play like a
Speaker 1: small part so I could get the movie going. And
Speaker 1: then he called me up and he said, oh, I'd
Speaker 1: like to play Lance, I'd like to play the guy.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I was like really, because I think you
Speaker 1: already I think you already did an English teacher pretty well.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I was like, I was like thrilled, you know,
Speaker 1: it was really fun working with it because it made
Speaker 1: me laugh because because like you know, there's always that
Speaker 1: time when I'm making a movie where the lead will
Speaker 1: look over and goes, I'm playing you, right, And I
Speaker 1: was like, and I go no, and my daughter's like, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: that's very interesting. What is the film that you must
Speaker 1: relate to? What's the film you must relate to? Popcat
Speaker 1: go Twite? Well, I mean I guess it would be.
Speaker 1: I mean, I already said Man on the Moon, but
Speaker 1: I guess I relate to that movie where where it's
Speaker 1: it's you know, I relate to it. I mean, and
Speaker 1: I mean I guess the difference between myself and Andy.
Speaker 1: I mean, Andy was brilliant, but I you know, I couldn't.
Speaker 1: I couldn't be that mean to the people around me
Speaker 1: and keep the gag going. You know. That's my question
Speaker 1: to you. There's a I don't know if you've watched
Speaker 1: it or been able to watch it, Jim and Andy.
Speaker 1: Have you seen the documentary? Yeah, that is hard to
Speaker 1: watch as Yeah, I was like, this is horrible to
Speaker 1: everyone around and I don't know how you're doing. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't like you being horrible to everyone's yeah, Because
Speaker 1: then I'm saying, um, I'm removing myself from the equation.
Speaker 1: I'm saying that you're foolish now when I go on
Speaker 1: stage and I do something odd or what I used
Speaker 1: to the idea was, you know, I was trying to
Speaker 1: make fun of stand up comedy, which again that sounds
Speaker 1: very pretentious, but but I wasn't saying that you guys
Speaker 1: don't get this. You know. I wanted them to come
Speaker 1: along with me, you know. But you know, one day
Speaker 1: I was with Robin and we're having dinner and he
Speaker 1: says he's he's being on, he's being robbing, and he's
Speaker 1: entertaining the people around us, and I said, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know why you do that. It's like why
Speaker 1: I go, I go, everybody already agrees that you're the
Speaker 1: funniest guy in the world, you know, I mean, you
Speaker 1: can't get I mean, you know, you couldn't get any
Speaker 1: more popular. And and then it came back to me
Speaker 1: and he was like, why do you piss people off?
Speaker 1: Like He's like, I see you when you're doing really well,
Speaker 1: and then you'll say something on purpose. And we were
Speaker 1: laughing about it, and I said, well, your former neuroses
Speaker 1: is way more lucrative than mine, because I even in
Speaker 1: the movies I make, it's like, are you still gonna
Speaker 1: like me? Are you still? You know? Is that that thing?
Speaker 1: And that's the challenge sometimes for me is to go,
Speaker 1: can I pull this movie off? I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: blow people's minds. It's more like, can I pull this?
Speaker 1: Can I pull this off? And in fact, the most
Speaker 1: recent script I wrote, I actually wrote a children's movie
Speaker 1: because that seemed to be the hardest thing I could
Speaker 1: wrap my brain around. And the world is so dark,
Speaker 1: I thought the most punk rock thing I could do
Speaker 1: right now is to write a hopeful film. I like that.
Speaker 1: What was your answer? What's your answer to what Robin
Speaker 1: Williams said to you? I said, because they go and
Speaker 1: they go, oh we saw Robin Williams. Oh he's so funny.
Speaker 1: And Bobcat goldth was there. Did you know what he said?
Speaker 1: And I go, I own them more. I'm in there,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm in their brain. You know you? They
Speaker 1: just love me that like that fucking guy. I A
Speaker 1: fucking right. Yeah, So that's old Bobby's power. Interesting, what
Speaker 1: is Bobcat? What is the sexiest film I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: with for me, not the sexiest film it was is
Speaker 1: all that jazz Bob Fosse film Rights. It's just, first
Speaker 1: of all, the women are all beautiful, and then you know,
Speaker 1: I'm feeling all these different emotions during the takeoff that
Speaker 1: the when when he rewrites the musical about an airline,
Speaker 1: it's so funny, and then he manages to make it
Speaker 1: sexy and dirty and hot. And then I identified with
Speaker 1: that manic thing, like, you know, he had Bob Fosse was,
Speaker 1: you know, editing Lenny, and he had a year where
Speaker 1: he got Tony Oscar and the Emmy Emmy Tony Oscar
Speaker 1: in the same year he actually beat out Godfather, and
Speaker 1: which is a horrible burden to put on someone. It's like,
Speaker 1: what do you do now? And that movie is kind
Speaker 1: of like that. Now, obviously I have never achieved that
Speaker 1: kind of thing, but there's certainly been parts in my
Speaker 1: life where I was juggling relationships and I was juggling, Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm directing this TV show and I'm right
Speaker 1: in this movie and I'm doing stand up and I'm
Speaker 1: doing this and that and this and that, and it's
Speaker 1: a sexy movie. But not a good not a good
Speaker 1: way to live your life. Yeah, that's right now. I
Speaker 1: like that. It's a good, very good answer. There's a
Speaker 1: subcategory to this question. The subcategory is called troubling bone
Speaker 1: is worrying? Why duns? What is the film that you
Speaker 1: found a rousing that you weren't sure that you should. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you two answers, because there's the one
Speaker 1: as a kid is uh, it's a million dollars duck.
Speaker 1: The million dollars duck. It was a Walt Disney picture
Speaker 1: and it was stand he loves ducks. It wasn't a
Speaker 1: duck man. No, I would never molest the duck. There,
Speaker 1: I would never. I would never molest I would never.
Speaker 1: I would never molested duck. An answer to a question
Speaker 1: that I would ask, I would never. If you wake
Speaker 1: me up in the middle of the night, I would
Speaker 1: never molest the duck. We weren't talking about that, bob. Uh.
Speaker 1: But Uh, Sandy Duncan who I don't know if you
Speaker 1: would know who she is. She do Disney films. She
Speaker 1: was on she had a serious she was just like
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, who's doing a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: And she always played the mom and I just was.
Speaker 1: I had it so hot for her Man the Mom
Speaker 1: and a million dollar Duck. There's this period of Disney
Speaker 1: films where they weren't making their animated films when they
Speaker 1: did these live action movies a lot Kurt Kurt Yeah,
Speaker 1: Jean Jones, Jones, Yeah, like the computer were tennis shoes. Nice?
Speaker 1: See him? Now you don't the World's Grace Athlete, all
Speaker 1: these different movies and million dollars Duck Cat from outer
Speaker 1: Space and one million dollars duck was It's this heaven,
Speaker 1: It's my heaven. There's a scene where there's there's thousands
Speaker 1: of ducks, uh, and they're all not flying, They're just
Speaker 1: they're running. And so I had it bad for Sandy Duncan.
Speaker 1: Now the other one was Okay. So I started working
Speaker 1: on a TV show and I just met I'll just
Speaker 1: say it. So it was when I first started working
Speaker 1: on the Chappelle Show. Probably knew him for a day
Speaker 1: or two. Hey, I'm going to the movies with my wife.
Speaker 1: You want to go? I love to And we watched
Speaker 1: Secretary Meggy Joan, which is a very erotic movie here
Speaker 1: with Dave and his wife, and I'm like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: guys near any pop. It was so fucking awkward. That's
Speaker 1: fucking mad to go on the day with a couple
Speaker 1: to secretary. Again my fault because I the less I
Speaker 1: know about a movie I love. I love going into
Speaker 1: a movie blind, and I think because of that. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's no way certain movies you're you're gonna know. But
Speaker 1: every once in a while, like there's always this big
Speaker 1: debate about American is it a good movies bad movie?
Speaker 1: I wanted that movie blind. It was an amazing movie.
Speaker 1: I loved it, you know, and if I had a
Speaker 1: caught wind of people debating its nature and all that
Speaker 1: crap um. So I love when I go to like
Speaker 1: like even pulp fiction, I know it was gonna be great,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be Clinton Tarantino. But I didn't I'm purpose,
Speaker 1: I didn't read anything about it right, And I went
Speaker 1: with Eric Idel So Eric, I remember Eric, and I
Speaker 1: remember Eric and I just watching that movie and like
Speaker 1: screaming and looking at each other laughing, just like screaming
Speaker 1: with laughter. But like, yeah, it's pretty good. That's very nice. Objectively,
Speaker 1: what is the greatest film of all time? I believe
Speaker 1: me again, the greatest film of all time, and I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm going with a modern movie and it's Boogie Nights.
Speaker 1: The reason I think that's a great movie, thank You,
Speaker 1: is because it's got at all. It's got romance, it's hilarious.
Speaker 1: Know those guys in the studio, It's got all the all.
Speaker 1: It checks all the boxes. You know, there's a chase,
Speaker 1: you know, there's just everything about that movie is so amazing.
Speaker 1: It's so wonderful and and scary and dark and oh
Speaker 1: you can have it. Oh it's a beautiful movie. And
Speaker 1: uh I was speaking, I had like talking about Grover,
Speaker 1: you know, I had the Chris Farley show. Thing was
Speaker 1: when I had a meal with Alfred Millenney, you know,
Speaker 1: and asking him about that scene, you know, and it
Speaker 1: was so great, like you know, the firecrackers are going
Speaker 1: off and h pt Anderson had earplugs in Alfred's so
Speaker 1: so he wouldn't react to the fireworks going off. Nice.
Speaker 1: He's like Rickey Springfield, personal friend of mine. You know.
Speaker 1: I just love that scene. That's Chinese, that he's Chinese. Good.
Speaker 1: What is the film that you could or have? What's
Speaker 1: the mist Iver and Iver again? The movie that it's on?
Speaker 1: I gotta stop what I'm doing and watch. Uh, there's two,
Speaker 1: but the one, the biggest one would be Edwarod. I
Speaker 1: love that movie. I actually I have a Edwarod tattoo.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, here we go, get it. This is Patroon section.
Speaker 1: This is just it's just on my ass. Okay, So
Speaker 1: there's Edward. Oh wow for the listener at ho. I'm
Speaker 1: that isn't it fucking detailed? Big ass amazing sat on
Speaker 1: his um? That is really really good man. And and
Speaker 1: my sister goes, your uncle got ed Hardy on his arm.
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, that's good. I don't believe Edward is
Speaker 1: the worst footmaker of all time. I think if you're
Speaker 1: you know, if if you're not imaginative, if you're making
Speaker 1: a movie just for money, if you're not if there's
Speaker 1: you know, there's so much add is in those movies,
Speaker 1: you know, they're never boring. I think boring boring is
Speaker 1: the biggest crime. Now you don't want to you don't
Speaker 1: want to have a worst one, then I get it.
Speaker 1: But if you did, what's your West film? Oh, worst film?
Speaker 1: I never saw all of it. It was the Social Network, incredible, incredible,
Speaker 1: surprising onset well, David Fincher's super talented and Aaron Sorkin.
Speaker 1: I love Aaron Sorkin. But when I sat there and
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there gonna wait, is this about these doochy
Speaker 1: Ivy League bros becoming billionaires on an app on a
Speaker 1: platform that's designed originally to check out women and rate
Speaker 1: their breasts and faces? I was like, the only thing
Speaker 1: they could save this is like Travis Bickle walking in
Speaker 1: and shooting them all in the face. I mean, I
Speaker 1: just and when I figured out because I'm not on
Speaker 1: Facebook and I'm not one of those guys. So so
Speaker 1: I was watching the movie, I was like, Oh, this
Speaker 1: is really what this movie is about. I don't give
Speaker 1: a fuck about any of these people. Very very interesting
Speaker 1: because I hate that plot device, even it was very
Speaker 1: big in the nineties. There was a secret to my success.
Speaker 1: I think in Michael J. Fox movies. It's like these
Speaker 1: movies where the plot was you got rich and that
Speaker 1: was supposed to be. I mean, like, if you're struggling
Speaker 1: and you hear some blow hard guy from the eighties,
Speaker 1: listen a bunch of police academies telling you that money's
Speaker 1: not where it's at man, They'll go, well, fuck off, man,
Speaker 1: You've got you've already sold your soul being in talking
Speaker 1: horse movies. You gotta sack on you. But when that's
Speaker 1: the when that's the prize, it's just ridiculous. You know.
Speaker 1: It's just like those movies where like Revenge of the Nerds,
Speaker 1: the nerds at the end aren't nerds. They're just acting
Speaker 1: like bros. They're womanizers and they're they're just the frat guys.
Speaker 1: So those movies were all greenlit by frat guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: see Night Sing. You're in comedy, you're a comedian. What's
Speaker 1: the film that made you laugh the most. There's a couple.
Speaker 1: There's a movie called Little Murders that not a lot
Speaker 1: of folks know about. It's Elliott Gould and Charles Fleischer.
Speaker 1: Charles Fleischer though, that's Jules Jules Piper, Charles Fleischer. Roger
Speaker 1: Rabbit wrote it. Jules Piper wrote it. It's about as
Speaker 1: dark as it gets, and Elliot Gould produced it, and
Speaker 1: it's hilarious, and it's just about it's in the seventies
Speaker 1: and it's just about how horrible we're becoming as people.
Speaker 1: And one of the complaints from the movie I did,
Speaker 1: God Bless America was that people didn't talk that way
Speaker 1: because people will do these big long speeches, but I'm
Speaker 1: directly ripping off little murders because people do these big
Speaker 1: long speeches and I won't ruin it. But but where
Speaker 1: that movie ends up for their the happy ending is
Speaker 1: so I was like, oh God, damn it. I wish
Speaker 1: I came up with that. So but then, like, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not so bourgeois that, like, you know, like what
Speaker 1: we do in the Shadows was hilarious. I mean, but
Speaker 1: what we do in the Shadows, But that has in
Speaker 1: common with me with when I was a kid and
Speaker 1: I saw Young Frankenstein, I walked out of the theater
Speaker 1: and just bought another ticket and walked back in. Dummy
Speaker 1: me didn't know. I could have just sat there. But
Speaker 1: that was the first movie that I watched twice, you know,
Speaker 1: like on purpose, and it just changed my mind. You know,
Speaker 1: I changed my mind. It blew my mind, It changed
Speaker 1: my world. You know, I didn't know it, but subtextually,
Speaker 1: I think I was looking at mel Brooks. You know,
Speaker 1: I just loved his movies, producers and you know mel Brooks.
Speaker 1: So but when I would read a poster as a kid,
Speaker 1: I didn't look at who started, and I always looked
Speaker 1: at who directed it and who wrote it, which I
Speaker 1: should have known forty years ago that this is what
Speaker 1: I wanted to do, being behind the camera. And it
Speaker 1: was interesting because when we were kids, and by the
Speaker 1: time we got to middle school, Tom Kenny has got
Speaker 1: a picture of Mel Blank and his lacquer, and I've
Speaker 1: got young Frankenstein and my lacker. So he wanted to
Speaker 1: be Mel Blank and I definitely wanted to be Mel
Speaker 1: Brooks and I didn't even know it. That is excellent,
Speaker 1: Pobcat golfway. This has been an absolute treat. I've loved this.
Speaker 1: You've been wonderful and I really appreciate it. However, when
Speaker 1: you went skydiving, and you love skydiving, it's your fake thing.
Speaker 1: You love it, but you thought I've got you got
Speaker 1: a bit cocky with it, and you forgot to put
Speaker 1: on a parachute and you jumped out and you thought,
Speaker 1: oh shit, you realize you didn't have a parachute, and
Speaker 1: you thought, I'm going to say something profound, and you
Speaker 1: started singing Save the Earth, Save the Earth as you
Speaker 1: cloud towards the grunt, and suddenly the ground got an
Speaker 1: era and you shit yourself, You shoot your pants, you
Speaker 1: shoot yourself inside out. And then there was a bus
Speaker 1: of orphans headed towards You could see him come and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, well, maybe i'll kill all these orphans,
Speaker 1: and you slammed into the bus. It'll be a good story.
Speaker 1: You didn't know because you were mostly ship by this point,
Speaker 1: and all that happened was you just splattered orphans with ship.
Speaker 1: And I was walking along, you know, with a coffin.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm like, and I see this bus as
Speaker 1: you do, as you do, this bus of children and
Speaker 1: they're covered in shit, and they're all laughing. They're laughing.
Speaker 1: They're like, what's happened? And I'm like, oh, there he is.
Speaker 1: So I clear up what I can of you put
Speaker 1: you in the coffin. But like I'm having to like
Speaker 1: get the fucking jewels of life because some of you
Speaker 1: are so embedded in this bus for having to cut
Speaker 1: off the ceiling of the bus, and like I'm also like,
Speaker 1: I'm going over to the kids and I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: really sorry, can I just scrape some of that shit
Speaker 1: off your face? Because that's bobca, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: As much as I'm trying to get his master. The
Speaker 1: cat put you all in the coffin. It's absolutely jam
Speaker 1: packed in there of shit and bus and you and
Speaker 1: I and there's only there's no room in this coffin.
Speaker 1: Let's be honest. There's only enough room to slide one
Speaker 1: DVD in the side for you to take across to
Speaker 1: the other side. And on the other side. It's a
Speaker 1: movie night every night, and one night it's your movie night.
Speaker 1: What film are you taking to show the people the
Speaker 1: ducks of heaven when it is your movie night, Bobcat
Speaker 1: Colt guy. Well, here's the thing. All the other people
Speaker 1: and ducks they brought in, you know, two thousand and one,
Speaker 1: they brought in Citizen King, they brought in Casablanca. It's
Speaker 1: so high that they don't understand how awesome those films
Speaker 1: are until I bring in Jack Frost And now they
Speaker 1: get And by the way, I mean the Michael Keaton one. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: just so they just so they have it's it's just
Speaker 1: so they get a balance. They go, holy shit, they
Speaker 1: were making No I would bring in the schlocky fun
Speaker 1: one because well, also, how can you gauge what's good
Speaker 1: or bad if you don't But it's not even bad.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's it's like you say, nobody starts
Speaker 1: to make a piece of crap, and I guarantee you
Speaker 1: everybody and Jack Frost was trying their best. And and
Speaker 1: that's what I love about that movie, you know, like
Speaker 1: famously God loves a try it tryer. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's it's, uh, there's a difference between Jack Frost
Speaker 1: and Mac and Me. Mac and Me is made by McDonald's.
Speaker 1: That's a horrible film, just because you know, that's the
Speaker 1: only reason that movie exists. But Jack Frost, they were
Speaker 1: trying man, and and I want other people to to
Speaker 1: to to sit in a theater and look over at
Speaker 1: each other and go, are we really it's just really happening?
Speaker 1: Is this the kind of molested the duck? I never
Speaker 1: molested a duck. I did not molest the duck. This
Speaker 1: is the last time we let the duck fucker pick
Speaker 1: the pictures? Bobcat, what's a pleasure? Is there anything before
Speaker 1: you go you would like to tell people to look
Speaker 1: out for, or to watch or to listen to of
Speaker 1: yours coming up? I would say if folks checked out
Speaker 1: the documentary of me and Dana Gould doing stand up
Speaker 1: it's on the road, but it's it's a bit of
Speaker 1: a narrative of a documentary. It was just going to
Speaker 1: be a movie about it was just gonna be stand
Speaker 1: up but then the pandemic hit, so it gets into
Speaker 1: all of our lives. That's called joy Ride. That's joy
Speaker 1: Rides the movie. Folks should listen to this podcast. I
Speaker 1: really love this podcast. I live out in the middle
Speaker 1: of the woods, and when I listened to it, I
Speaker 1: feel like I have a lot of friends and I
Speaker 1: don't even know you. So it was great man. I
Speaker 1: really appreciate it. Thank you so much for your time.
Speaker 1: I've loved doing this. I hope you have a wonderful death.
Speaker 1: And to you, sir, thank you. It's Likes Ducks. So
Speaker 1: that was episode one hundred and seventy three. Head over
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Speaker 1: Thank you very much for listening to the show as well.
Speaker 1: It means a lot. Thank you so much to Bobcat
Speaker 1: for doing it, especially for all the time he gave me.
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Speaker 1: Thanks add Richardson for the graphics, at least allad them
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Speaker 1: another incredible guest. Who will it be? You'll have to
Speaker 1: find out next week. Exciting, isn't it. So that is
Speaker 1: it for now. In the meantime, I hope you're all well,
Speaker 1: have a lovely week, and please, now more than ever,
Speaker 1: be excellent to each other.