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It 5 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 3: starts now. 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 4: I'm open to be persuaded I'm wrong. 7 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 2: I don't know what percentage of us in the American 8 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 2: population are willing to admit that we're wrong, but I 9 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 2: will tell you this as a side note. 10 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 4: Your wife or husband. 11 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 2: You may think I love you is the three most 12 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 2: powerful words in America or in the world. I'll tell 13 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:46,279 Speaker 2: you it's not. In a relationship. The three most powerful 14 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 2: words are. 15 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 4: I was wrong. Think about it. 16 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 2: There is nothing my wife loves more than me saying 17 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 2: I was wrong. If you have been married very long, 18 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 2: especially if you are a man, I will guarantee you 19 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,919 Speaker 2: your wife is happier when you say I was wrong 20 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 2: than when you say I love you. Not talked about enough. 21 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 2: But that is relationship advice for me. 22 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 3: I love you. 23 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 2: You probably said it so many times it flows by. 24 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 2: It's not to get out of jail free card. I 25 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:27,199 Speaker 2: was wrong, very powerful. I'm willing to admit when I'm wrong. 26 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 2: I'm willing to acknowledge that when data changes, I can 27 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 2: be wrong. I think you can't be a successful person 28 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 2: in life and particularly in business, unless you're willing to 29 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 2: consider that your prior opinions might have been wrong. In 30 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 2: some cases, guys, Elon spent forty four billion dollars to 31 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 2: buy Twitter because he believes that his ultimate goal of 32 00:01:56,440 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 2: putting man on Mars and making us a multiplanetary species 33 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 2: cannot survive the woke mind virus. And I was thinking 34 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 2: about this recently. You guys know, I went to Italy. 35 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 2: I want to go back. I had never been. I 36 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 2: took my family. We went to Italy about about a 37 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 2: year and a half ago. And I love to travel 38 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 2: because it challenges your mind. It makes you see different perspectives. 39 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 2: And as I was walking around all through Italy and 40 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 2: I was looking at this magnificent structures, one of the 41 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 2: things that I was most incredible art. One of the 42 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 2: things that I was most struck by was the Renaissance 43 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 2: wasn't a new way of thinking. It was, in many 44 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 2: ways a return to an old way of thinking. We 45 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 2: have this idea that progress is linear and things always 46 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 2: get better, but actually, if you study history, that isn't 47 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 2: always true. Sometimes you have to reclaim the eternal truths 48 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 2: in order to allow progress to occur. And I'm not 49 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 2: trying to speak for Elon, but what I see in 50 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 2: all of his moves, Hey, I'm going to be better 51 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 2: at sending spaceships to a space than NASA, even though 52 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 2: they have a sixty year head start on me. Hey, 53 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 2: I think I can figure out a way to propel 54 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 2: cars better than the combustion engine. I'm going to design 55 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 2: a brand new electric vehicle. I think that we need 56 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 2: to have a full fledged marketplace of ideas in order 57 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 2: to allow the full fruition of American excellence. Those three 58 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 2: things are actually very much connected, and they all tie 59 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 2: into the ultimate goal that he has, which is, Hey, 60 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 2: I want to put man on Mars, and I want 61 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 2: it to become a colony. And I just want all 62 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 2: of you out there to think about this in the 63 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 2: context of space. I was born in nineteen seventy nine. 64 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 2: I was not alive when we walked on the Moon 65 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty nine. But many of you listening to 66 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 2: me right now were you may remember sitting down on 67 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 2: the television on the floor, in front of your television 68 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 2: on the couch, and I bet you remember the innate 69 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 2: sense of American optimism that walking on the Moon created. 70 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 4: If I had told you. 71 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 2: That in twenty twenty four, far be it from having 72 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 2: like life on the Moon or having people on Mars, 73 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 2: that we would be trying to figure out how to 74 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 2: send people back to the Moon, would you have believed it? 75 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 4: You wouldn't have. 76 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 2: You would have thought progress would have been massive in 77 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 2: America's space age exploration. Yet from nineteen sixty nine to 78 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, I'm talking to you right now, basically 79 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 2: we haven't moved at all. We've just kind of stayed 80 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 2: where we already were. That's fifty five years no progress 81 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 2: at all. In fact, we're trying to go back and 82 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 2: do things that we've done before, and we're gonna have 83 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 2: to spend a couple of years, I think, until twenty 84 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 2: twenty six and we can even get people back on 85 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 2: the moon. Elon's looking at that and saying, no, we 86 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 2: have to change this. And to me, the only way 87 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 2: you grow is by challenging your prior opinions and making 88 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 2: sure that those prior opinions can withstand the logic and attacks. 89 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 4: Of other people's opinions. 90 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 2: And that to me, is the essence of why X 91 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 2: and Twitter is so powerful because what many people in 92 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 2: positions of power at the New York Times, the Washington Post, CBS, NBC, ABC, 93 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 2: what they want to do is kurtail restrict what you 94 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 2: are able to argue because they decide that it's misinformation 95 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 2: or disinformation because it challenges their power. And what Elon 96 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 2: is doing is saying no, I want the full fruition 97 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 2: of the American people to be able to have their 98 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 2: voices heard. And the bigger and better the conversation is, 99 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 2: the farther our achievement can go, whether it's putting people 100 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 2: on Mars, having a fully functioning actual republic here, or 101 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 2: finding ways to combat the necessity of using. 102 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 4: Oil and gas. 103 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 2: He's a hero, he's also public enemy number one, and 104 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 2: I think he's right. Malla Harris wins, She's going to 105 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,479 Speaker 2: try to put him in prison. What does that say 106 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:08,359 Speaker 2: about what the Democrat Party has come to represent in 107 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 2: this country. I think it is incredibly important that we 108 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 2: have these conversations. And if Trump wins, I think a 109 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 2: big reason why is going to be because Elon has 110 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 2: brought back a marketplace of ideas in America. 111 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 3: Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck. 112 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: Does this ever happened to you when you think you've 113 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: left the stove on, left the gas on? 114 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, well I don't cook, but I have heard. 115 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I totally forgot clay stove. We got a 116 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: cooking show where it's just be steady there saying Clay, 117 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: make and fill in the plank and see what. 118 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 2: He comes up with if you can't do it with 119 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 2: a microwave. I don't cook. I have been in the 120 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 2: car with my wife when she has said, oh wait, 121 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 2: I think I might have left the stove on, or 122 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 2: wait that I locked the front door. Can we go back? 123 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 2: I think I may have forgotten all those things. Yeah, yes, 124 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 2: but that is if you're a concerned voter out there, 125 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 2: and I understand it because you probably get these emails, 126 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 2: these messages, but that I do, I'm they're not going 127 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 2: to count me. 128 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,119 Speaker 4: Do both. If you're that afraid, do both. 129 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: It's pretty pretty intense, But all right, I'm just. 130 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 2: Saying that you instead of mail emailing me and saying, Clay, 131 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 2: I'm afraid they're not going to count my vote, send 132 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 2: your vote in and then on election day take other 133 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 2: people with you to go vote. Who may not have voted, 134 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 2: and you can make sure that they have your ballot 135 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 2: and they say no, ma'am, no, sir, you have already 136 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:34,839 Speaker 2: voted here. 137 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: I'm still amazed. You just don't cook at all, do you. 138 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: This is something we never talked about. You just don't cook. 139 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 4: You don't like it. 140 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 2: I have been in my house for ten years, buck, 141 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 2: I do not believe that I have turned the oven 142 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 2: on in ten years. 143 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 4: I'm not even kidding. I might have put it. 144 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 2: I might have put a pizza in once or twice 145 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 2: if it does not go in the microwave or you 146 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 2: buy it like right, I bought a lot of food, 147 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 2: trust me, over the years. 148 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 4: I do not cook anything I don't like to. 149 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: This is like us with the odd couple, or this 150 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: is us as the odd couple, because I've I was 151 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 1: telling Carrys, I'm like, I think I need to get 152 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: a new omelet pat. And this one's not really distributing 153 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 1: the heat properly for me. I'm a decent, like you know, 154 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: mid level cook who does a few things. Well, my 155 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: wife is a phenomenal cook. But yeah, no, we we 156 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: both we both like, we both like to cook. That's 157 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: kind of funny. I was really, So I was like, 158 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: I've never seen Clay like, you know, getting it done 159 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: at the stove before. Now I realize that's because he's 160 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: not actually turned it on. 161 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 4: So I don't think I've turned on the stove in 162 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 4: our house in a decade. 163 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: Something else I like to do, go shooting. I'll be 164 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: out there next weekend. 165 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 4: Uh. 166 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: And I'm probably a better cook than I am a shot. 167 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: But nonetheless I like to go. 168 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 3: Shooting Sundays with Clay and Buck. 169 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: We have the endorsement that could change the whole game. 170 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: Just kidding, Bruce Springsteen. He has come out in favor 171 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: of Kamala Harris and Tim Wallace. 172 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 4: Here you go. Here's from the AD fourteen. Play it 173 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 4: with full knowledge. 174 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 3: In my opinion is no more or less important than 175 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 3: those of any of my fellow citizens. Here's my answer. 176 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 3: I'm supporting Kamala Harris for president and Tim Walls for 177 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 3: vice president and opposing Donald Trump and JD. 178 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 4: Vance. 179 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 2: Oh Man, I just always sounded like that as or 180 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 2: is his voice gotten worse? 181 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: Clay, he's wearing a workman jacket. Who cares he's the 182 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: voice of the doc workers, even though he's worth like 183 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: four hundred million dollars. I don't know, man, it's. 184 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 2: I just I like Taylor Swift. I'm gonna be honest 185 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 2: with you. Wow. 186 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: Really Yeah, I think she's talented. I respect the fact 187 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: that she liked Harrro Swift. If she gained fifty pounds, Clay, I. 188 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 2: Would still think she was a decent singer. I mean, 189 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 2: I don't judge people based on their physical appearance. 190 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 4: Buck, that's what yees obviously kidding. 191 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 2: But I'm I did see Adele, and Adele has been chubby, 192 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 2: and Adele has been skinny, and Adele's voice has always 193 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 2: been good. 194 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 4: And I went and watched her with my wife. But 195 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 4: I didn go solo. 196 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 2: That would have been a definite sign that maybe I 197 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 2: was a little bit questionable in terms of my sexuality. 198 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 4: But I went with my wife. It's one of the 199 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:26,439 Speaker 4: best concerts I've ever seen. 200 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 2: Adele hates everything that I believe politically, but I still 201 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 2: like her music. And I feel kind of the same 202 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 2: way about Taylor Swift. Now I think she's destroyed Travis Kelcey, 203 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 2: who I think is kind of a moron and doesn't 204 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 2: know any better and is gonna end up voting for 205 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 2: for Kamala because he wants to keep sleeping with his girlfriend, 206 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 2: which may happen some with some twenty something men out there. 207 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 2: I'm just gonna kind of toss that out. Or you're 208 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 2: gonna lie and say you're voting Kamala and then you're 209 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 2: gonna go in the booth and vote Trump and then 210 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 2: come out and tell your wife, oh, your girlfriend, I 211 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 2: was so excited to vote for Kamala. There's gonna be 212 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 2: some of that, I'm gonna tell you. But these celebrities, 213 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 2: Bruce Springsteen, I thought you were gonna say Liz Cheney, 214 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 2: who I would put in the celebrity came So I'm 215 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:11,839 Speaker 2: about that was that was where you were going. 216 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to hear that. 217 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: So you get you get the bossy doing my music, 218 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 1: you know, the whole thing, Born to run, Okay whatever, 219 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: Like we get it right. Bruce Springsteen's a huge lib. 220 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: I saw someone on Twitter actually point out that he 221 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:28,319 Speaker 1: lives in a very obviously in a giant mansion in 222 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: an incredibly safe neighborhood. Like what, why don't any of 223 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 1: these people who want Democrat policies, why don't they live 224 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: in some of the migrant heavy, uh you know, maybe 225 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 1: medium crime communities where you know, they and and there's 226 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: a lot of diversity, and it's interesting. They all it's 227 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: like the Morning Joe Crew. They lecture everybody about how 228 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 1: your neighborhood should look like, uh, you know, Honduras and 229 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: and West Africa and East Asia all together at one time. 230 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: But they only want to live in Nantucket and Greenwich, Connecticut. 231 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: Do you know what I'm saying? 232 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 4: Like, what's going on with that? 233 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 2: The percentage of people who argued that are really wealthy 234 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 2: walls don't work and live behind a wall in some 235 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 2: form of their own life is off the charts. 236 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up. We're gonna get to 237 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 1: Liz Cheney in a second, but I don't think there's 238 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: enough attention paid to the fact that Kamala, at least 239 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: for a period of time, was pro wall the wall. 240 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: I I can't remember the guy's name. He's a he's 241 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:34,239 Speaker 1: a he's one of these schmos. 242 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 4: Who's U. 243 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,959 Speaker 1: I'm the real conservative? But I only help Democrats, you know, 244 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: That's that's what Liz Cheney is. There's actually perfect transition. 245 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: But I was on a panel back in like twenty eighteen, 246 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:47,559 Speaker 1: and and I oh. 247 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 4: One of them was I was on a panel. 248 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: I think with with Max Boot at one point on 249 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: this and some of these other like former conservatives that 250 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 1: now only appear on MSNBC and talking about the wall, 251 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: and I might be I might not even been. 252 00:13:57,679 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 4: Boot doesn't matter whatever. 253 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: I've talked to some of these former conservatives about the wall, 254 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: and they used to just it doesn't work. It's racist. 255 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: I mean, people have forgotten now that before threats to 256 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 1: our democracy in January sixth, the thing that droves libs 257 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: the craziest was build a wall. Build the wall, was 258 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: that there. 259 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 4: Were walls don't work and all this stuff. And cut 260 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 4: fast forward a few years, Kamala's pro wall. Kamala's like, yeah. 261 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: I guess we do need to build a border wall. 262 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: Clay I had that argument with so many this one. 263 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: I used to do the Rising Show at the Hill. 264 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: I had that argument so many Libs and they're like, 265 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: you're crazy. 266 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 4: Okay. I just think this is not enough attention paid 267 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 4: to that. Now there's the Liz Cheney component. You brought 268 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 4: this up. I'll play clip. Let's get to this Liz Cheney. 269 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: Who are they trying to win over at this stage 270 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: by making such a big deal of this. 271 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 4: This has cut ten. Liz Cheney out there making her pitch. 272 00:14:56,280 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: She's appearing on the campaign trail with Kamala today. 273 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 5: I ask all of you here and everyone listening across 274 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 5: this great country to join us. I ask you to 275 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 5: meet this moment. I ask you to stand in truth, 276 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 5: to reject the depraved cruelty of Donald Trump, and I 277 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 5: ask you instead to help us elect Kamala Harris for presidents. 278 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: Who is the person at this stage of the game 279 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: who isn't already voting for Kamala Harris and has been 280 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: the day since the day that she announced or was 281 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: was announced. Hey, who's the person who's like, oh, yeah, 282 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: Liz change, now I'm gonna vote. Now, I'm gonna vote 283 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: for a Democrat. 284 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 2: I saw Greg Price, who I follow does good work 285 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 2: on Twitter tweet that the greatest trade in the history 286 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 2: of the Republican Party was Tulsey Gabbert joining the team 287 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 2: and Liz Cheney leaving. And I do think that's really 288 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 2: very well put. But I think what it goes to 289 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 2: is it's not enough to be anti Trump. Once you 290 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 2: go anti Trump, you're gone forever. All these places, the Bulwark, 291 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 2: the Lincoln Project, Liz Cheney are they suddenly going to 292 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 2: show back up and claim to be Republicans when Trump 293 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 2: is gone. 294 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 4: But let's say JD. 295 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 2: Vance is the nominee in twenty eight Let's say Trump 296 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 2: wins and JD's VP gets the nomination, which wouldn't be crazy. 297 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 2: Do you think they're going to show up and say, oh, 298 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 2: you know what, we're really supportive of JD. Vance now, 299 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 2: like they have left the reservation forever and it's because 300 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 2: Trump has broken their brains. I mean, Liz Cheney went 301 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 2: after Kamala Harris accurately as being a far left wing 302 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 2: lunatic and has regularly attacked her policy wise. Whatever you 303 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 2: think of Trump, Kamala Harris is the furthest left wing 304 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 2: nominee I think in the history of the Democrat Party. 305 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 2: If you fancy yourself in any way a believer in 306 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 2: conservative ideals in any respect, how in the world can 307 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,360 Speaker 2: you get up on the stage and endorse Kamala Harrison. 308 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 2: I would just say there is an argument to be 309 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,679 Speaker 2: made that the Cheney family has been on the wrong 310 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,919 Speaker 2: side of every major decision they've had to face in 311 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 2: the entire twenty first century. 312 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:26,400 Speaker 4: I think Dick Cheney led George W. 313 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 2: Bush remarkably astray in the way that he led the 314 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 2: Iraq War and everything there, which we wasted, in my opinion, 315 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 2: trillions of dollars on got no actual benefit for. And 316 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 2: Cheney was the one cheerleading all of that, that neo 317 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 2: con universe. And now he's anti Trump, which means he's 318 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 2: lining up Dick Cheney and Liz obviously lining up behind 319 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 2: Kamala Harris, which I think is a signal wrong decision, 320 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 2: signature wrong decision that also is up there with the 321 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 2: Iraq War. And I bet Dick Cheney's out there telling 322 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 2: everybody that the COVID shot is the greatest thing that's 323 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 2: ever happened. I would bet I just find him to 324 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 2: be thoroughly unlikable and more important than that, because there's 325 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 2: lots of unlikable people who can be good at their 326 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 2: jobs wrong on everything that's mattered basically in the twenty 327 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 2: first century. So when I hear Liz Cheney's endorsing Kamala 328 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 2: Harris and Dick Cheney is endorsing Kamala Harris, buck to 329 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 2: your point, it actually makes me more convinced that voting 330 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 2: for Donald Trump is the right decision. 331 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: And you sit here, first of all, this is what 332 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: Trump has to say about it. Let's just bring Trump's 333 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: voice into this for a second. In response to Liz 334 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 1: Cheney campaigning with Kamala Harris play twelve. 335 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 5: Harris is out on the campaign trail today with Liz Chaney. 336 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 4: Your thoughts on. 337 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 1: That, Well, Liz Channy lost for Congress. 338 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 3: She was terrible. Liz Cheney is a stupid warhawk. All 339 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 3: she wants to do is shoot missiles at people. I 340 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 3: really think it hurts. 341 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 5: I think, frankly if Kamala, I think they've hurt each other. 342 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: I think they're so bad, both of them. If there 343 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,439 Speaker 1: was anything, if there was any higher moral authority in 344 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: the Democrat Party, you would think that the wars of 345 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 1: the Bush years, the Bush Cheney years, and what went 346 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: on in the Middle East, and the military industrial complex, 347 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: all this sort of stuff that they would stick to. 348 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: Dick Cheney and the Cheney's are you know, untouchable, unacceptable, 349 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 1: the worst. But they're willing to sit and hold hands 350 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,959 Speaker 1: with anybody in this moment who will attack Donald Trump. Right, 351 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what their party said. It doesn't matter 352 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: that apparently to Liz Cheney. I remember this, they wanted 353 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 1: to lock Dick Cheney up in prison. That was the 354 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: whole the beginning of law fare was the bull crap 355 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: investigation of the leak that wasn't actually a leak. It 356 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 1: was a mistake. Lots of people talk about lots of 357 00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 1: the DC ter and the Bush administration. I was in 358 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: the CIA when that whole thing went down, and so 359 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 1: I was like, you got to be kidding me. We're 360 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: really making a big deal out of it. And it 361 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 1: was the beginning of the law fair, the beginning of 362 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: the weaponization of the national security bureaucracy against a Republican 363 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,919 Speaker 1: in the White House. And it really was kind of 364 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 1: like the match clay that ignited everything that we see 365 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,919 Speaker 1: today with all the prosecutions against Trump as well as 366 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:25,239 Speaker 1: Russia collusion, all of it. 367 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I know for a lot of you out 368 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 2: there there, this will resonate with you as well. One 369 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,439 Speaker 2: of the first things Trump said on his campaign in 370 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 2: sixteen where I really looked up and I said, finally 371 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 2: somebody saying it is he said, George W. Bush was 372 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 2: wrong on Iraq. We should have never gone into Iraq 373 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 2: and fought that war. There are a lot of Republicans 374 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 2: that believe that that weren't willing to say it publicly. 375 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 2: Trump gave a lot of people the license to be 376 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 2: able to say that. And I think a lot of 377 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 2: you out there listening right now. You may be veterans, 378 00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 2: you may have fought in that war, but you go 379 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 2: back when you look and you stay. Wait, we spent 380 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 2: trillions of dollars in Iraq and Afghanistan. 381 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 4: What did we actually accomplish. 382 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 2: Wouldn't that trillions of dollars that our government spent our 383 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 2: hard earned yours mind taxpayer dollars. Wouldn't that investment have 384 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 2: been far more useful in the United States than basically 385 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 2: just lighting it on fire and burning it all over 386 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 2: the Middle East. To me, that's not a difficult choice. 387 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 2: And that's one of the reasons I think peace through 388 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 2: strength why Trump resonates with a lot of people in 389 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 2: the military, because they recognize that a lot of these 390 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 2: wars that we have been chasing have been waste of. 391 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 4: Lives, waste of money. 392 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 2: And the fact that Liz Cheney's on the side of 393 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 2: Kamala honestly makes me think that Kamala is the one 394 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,640 Speaker 2: who would stumble far more likely into a major global 395 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 2: conflict than Trump. They always want to say Buck, you know, oh, 396 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:56,360 Speaker 2: if Trump's elected. 397 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 4: We're going to get World War three. 398 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 2: By the way, we're a lot closer a World War 399 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 2: three after three and a half four years of Biden 400 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 2: and Kamala than we ever were during Trump. So if 401 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 2: you're somebody out there who's voting based on peace, Trump's 402 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 2: your choice. 403 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: I also remember being in Afghanistan at the beginning of 404 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 1: the Obama administration, and just to note, there's a lot 405 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 1: of bashing Bush Cheney for all the Mid East wars 406 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: and all the rest of it. Well, Afghanistan was the 407 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: quote good war, the war we had to fight at 408 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: some level to stop al Qaeda after nine to eleven. 409 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 4: That is true. 410 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 1: We had, we had to go in there and cut 411 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,400 Speaker 1: the head off the snake. The reconstruction over twenty years 412 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: that failed. That's a whole other issue. But I still 413 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 1: remember Obama scaled up one hundred one hundred thousand plus 414 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 1: troops in Afghanistan. I think it got up like one 415 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty thousand, and announced at the same time, well, 416 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: we're just going to do a drawdown. Guess what the 417 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 1: Taliban's like. Cool, We'll wait, We'll wait most of this 418 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,360 Speaker 1: out in Pakistan. Yeah, see you in a little bit. 419 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 1: I mean, so, you know, the Democrats were first of all, 420 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: the Democrats voted for the Iraq war. Let's not let 421 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: them escape on that issue. They were all on Hillary Clinton, 422 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: big Iraq warhawk and among others. And then Barack Obama 423 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: dramatically expanded Afghanistan and did nothing other than make us 424 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: lose a lot of good soldiers, marines, you know, wounded 425 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: killed an action. I mean it was so it's a bypart. 426 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: I'm just saying the history of this now gets rewritten 427 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: as it was just bush chaining. 428 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 4: It's actually Democrats. 429 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: We're all in favor of it back in, not all 430 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 1: of them, but you know, overwhelming most party was in 431 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 1: favor of it. And Obama was a disaster with wars 432 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 1: breaking out all over the place, anew the rise of 433 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: isis Afghanistan surge that did nothing. So you know, we're 434 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: in retrospect. 435 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 2: Once we killed Osama bin Laden, we should have pulled 436 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 2: every single person we could have out of Afghanistan and ba. 437 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 4: You probably would have had the Taliban in charge in 438 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,199 Speaker 4: a year at that point. But that's what would have 439 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 4: I mean, at. 440 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: Least that's where we are anyway, Sunday Haang is brought 441 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,640 Speaker 1: to you by Chalk Natural Supplements. 442 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 2: For guys, gals and nothing in between. Fuel your day 443 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 2: at Chalk dot Com. 444 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 3: Sundaysis with Clay and fuck O. 445 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: My Kamala Harris not having a great time lately, things 446 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 1: not going the way that Kamala campaign wants them to. 447 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: We've broken down those numbers for you, will continue to 448 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: do so this week. We know it ain't over till 449 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: it's over, and there's still a lot of time for 450 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: momentum shifts and shenanigans. We I wouldn't say a lot 451 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,880 Speaker 1: of time, but there's time. But this is certainly not helpful. 452 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: Just for Kamala what just came out. Now she has 453 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 1: a book and I had to appear to Christopher Rufo. 454 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 1: I love it, mister Rufo. High five to you as usual, 455 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 1: doing great work, great research here. Christopher Rufo has this 456 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:53,919 Speaker 1: up on X Exclusive. Kamala Harris plagiarized at least a 457 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: dozen sections of her criminal justice book Smart on Crime, 458 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: Not So smart Erroll. According to a new investigation, the 459 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 1: current vice president even lifted material from Wikipedia. Okay, before 460 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: I get into this, I actually just handed in or 461 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: I'm going to be handing in rather soon in the 462 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: draft of my book to you know, be reviewed. I 463 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: got to send it to the government, I got to 464 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 1: send to the publisher and all this stuff. But I mean, 465 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: one thing, You're always trying to be so careful about this, 466 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: right because as a conservative, I feel like Clay, if 467 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: I'm missing like the second quotation mark on a sentence, 468 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: even if it is footnoted and whatever, the oh stealing 469 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,120 Speaker 1: stealing someone's thoughts, are you, sir? Like we know how 470 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,400 Speaker 1: they play that. It's so no good faith. You could 471 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 1: write eighty thousand words of beautiful prose or whatever. I 472 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 1: know you've written multiple books and and if you have, like, 473 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 1: you know, one sentence that you have a a clerical 474 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: error with, basically they're gonna be like, oh, you're the 475 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: worst person. 476 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 4: Okay. 477 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: What Kamala has done here in this book is the 478 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:04,199 Speaker 1: definition of plagiarism. It is copying. Because Rufo has he 479 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,439 Speaker 1: has the proof. I mean it's up there the Kamala 480 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 1: Harris book and then from the Associated Press, the Kamala 481 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 1: Harris book, John Jay Criminal Justice, and Clay. 482 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 4: We're talking about. 483 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 1: Like a whole section. Yeah, we're talking about cut and 484 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: paste of maybe you know, one hundred and fifty words, 485 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 1: two hundred words at a time. Here with some of 486 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: these many many times. Now here's what's kind of from 487 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: the Urban Institute cut and paste. I mean, there's so 488 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: many of these things. But Clay, as Ruffo points out, 489 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,959 Speaker 1: she grew up middle class and around people who care 490 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: about their laws, so we're not supposed to care about 491 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 1: any of this. The plagiarism thing to be is interesting 492 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: because one Kamala has an authenticity problem and an honesty problem, 493 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 1: and this adds to that, and that's real. I also 494 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: think it's funny though, because you and I both know 495 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: she didn't write this. Y. Yeah, I think that's This 496 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: is a book that she hired somebody else, probably with 497 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 1: m Hof's money. She hired somebody else to write for 498 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: her to create the illusion that she was some kind 499 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:05,400 Speaker 1: of a criminal justice scholar. And so the fallback here is, yes, 500 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: there is cutting and pasting in my book in block 501 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: quotes from Wikipedia without citation. But I will just have 502 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: to get angry at my ghostwriter over it. 503 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 2: I bet she throws to the extent this becomes a 504 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:22,719 Speaker 2: story the ghostwriter completely under the bus. To me, it 505 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 2: doesn't directly I can't believe I'm going to defend Kamala here. 506 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:30,400 Speaker 2: She didn't write it, and she likely had no idea 507 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 2: that any of this plagiarism had occurred. But here's where 508 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 2: I would say there is an element that you can 509 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 2: attack her for. First of all, Joe Biden was forced 510 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 2: to drop out of his presidential run in nineteen eighty 511 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 2: eight because he was basically plagiarizing the speeches of a 512 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 2: European politician. And whether or not Biden knew, you're on 513 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 2: the hook for your speech writers. Remember when we talked 514 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 2: about Christy Nome and her book and what she chose 515 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 2: to put in there, which in many ways may well 516 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:02,439 Speaker 2: have torpedoed her VP prospect. If I am Kamala Harris, 517 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 2: and I am writing a book that is designed to 518 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 2: provide the platform for me to become president of the 519 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 2: United States, you have to have people vetting the ghostwriting 520 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 2: of the book. In other words, the ghostwriter writes it, 521 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 2: your staff reads it, and then they go back over it. 522 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 2: And they should be vetting and checking things and trying 523 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 2: to catch issues like this. And I said, my issue 524 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 2: wasn't actually what Christy Noam did necessarily, it was the 525 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 2: fact that they decided, hey, we want to put part 526 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,640 Speaker 2: of our story in the autobiography about killing the dog. 527 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 2: It was basically a failure of politics, more than leaving 528 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 2: aside the morality of how she behaved with the dog. 529 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 2: They read it, they knew what was in there. And 530 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 2: then the Kim Jong un bragging about meeting him and 531 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 2: all these things. If you're going to write a book, 532 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 2: you have to make sure that the book doesn't blow 533 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 2: up in your face. 534 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: You have to have read the book that you had 535 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: somebody else write for you. I think that's fair, you know. 536 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 1: I actually also I disagree with this. I think you 537 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: have to put the name of somebody who actually did 538 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 1: the writing. It should be on the front cover on 539 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: the book in a way who you know. Yes, we 540 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 1: have editors, and editors will change some things. 541 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:11,719 Speaker 4: Whatever. 542 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 1: You know, if you've written, unless you've written seventy five 543 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: percent or more of the of the actual words in 544 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 1: the book, you need to have someone else's name along 545 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 1: with yours on the cover. If you give someone the credit, fine, 546 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: it's a business. 547 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 4: I get it. 548 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: But this thing that a lot of these politicians do, 549 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, it bothers me. And again 550 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: I'm writing the thick of it. You've been through this 551 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: scauntlet a few times. I'm right in the thick of this, 552 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: and they're like, yeah, it's so hard to sell books. 553 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, because everyone just churns out this ghost 554 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: writer provided crap, this slop. And it's on the right 555 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: as well as the left. I hate to say it, 556 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 1: but it's true. People who you know, they just use 557 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: it as a marketing tool. They just put their name 558 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: on it. They don't care what's in it. It doesn't 559 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: actually advance any narrative or try to inform the audience 560 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: in any meaningful the readership in any meaningful way. And 561 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: I look, I just disagree with that somehow. And this 562 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: is what you know, people on the right disagree with 563 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: me on this, clay. If I were in a graduate program, 564 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: like a PhD program at Columbia University and international relations, right, 565 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: I'm a busy guy, and I paid someone one hundred 566 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: thousand dollars to write my thesis and that came out 567 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: and I you know, it was my thesis that I 568 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: couldn't say, Oh, it's it goods for services transaction. 569 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 4: You know that they agreed. I agreed. 570 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: But if you're you know, some politician who doesn't, you know, 571 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: says they don't have the time, or you're some celebrity. 572 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: H celebrity doesn't really No one thinks celebrities write their 573 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 1: books because they can't spell, you know, like actors and stuff. 574 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: But if you're some of these other people, you're holding 575 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: yourself up as the author of a piece of work 576 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: that's that's not yours and giving no credit for the 577 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 1: help collaborators. Collaborators are fine, you know. 578 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 3: Do you know what I'm saying. 579 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 4: I'm talking about people. 580 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna name names because I don't have any 581 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 1: enemies on the right, but there are people who put 582 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 1: out these books that they don't know a darn word 583 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: that's in it before it goes to press, basically, And 584 00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 1: and it makes it harder for people on the right 585 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 1: who actually write books to sell them because the marketplace 586 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: is flooded and it's like, oh, another person with a 587 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: TV show or a radio show or whatever, you know, 588 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 1: quote unquote writing a book. I think people should write 589 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: their books. By the way, we have Alice Stucky on Tomorrow. 590 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: She writes her books. 591 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 4: I've read that for a fact four And it's hard. 592 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 2: It's really time consuming work and I understand why celebrities 593 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 2: who don't want to work very hard pay somebody to 594 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,719 Speaker 2: do it because it's a grind. It reminds me Kamala 595 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 2: Harris getting caught plagiarizing here reminds me one of the 596 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 2: great all time quotes. Charles Barkley claimed that he was 597 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 2: misquoted in his own autobiography, which. 598 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 4: Is one of the great all time lines. 599 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 2: He was getting criticism for something that was written in 600 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 2: his book and they said, oh, I was misquoted. When 601 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 2: you claim that you're misquoted in your own autobiography, it 602 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 2: goes to what you're saying, which is many people with 603 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 2: public platforms have limited to no responsibility. They meet and 604 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 2: have their thoughts courted, and then a writer goes off 605 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 2: and they put it all together. And I bet Kamala 606 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:09,239 Speaker 2: Harris didn't even read the totality of her book. Well. 607 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: Also, there's another part of this too, which is the 608 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: book that we're talking about here. It's not there's some variations. Look, 609 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 1: if you were the president, no one thinks the former 610 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: president is like sitting down and writing an eight hundred 611 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 1: page By the way, no one reads those books either. 612 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 2: People buy, you know, to put them on the coffee 613 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 2: table and send a message about what kind of person 614 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 2: they are. 615 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I'll tell you I was given as a gift, 616 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: like George W. Bush's biography is boric, Okay, I did 617 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: to learn anything. I'm like, I actually gave it away. 618 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: I give a lot of books away to use bookstores. 619 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: And if somebody has a need for a huge box 620 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: of conservative books that I've been sent that I did 621 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 1: not ask for, send it a VIP email and tell 622 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 1: me where I can send them that will actually get 623 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 1: used and read. Because people are always sending me their books. 624 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: We'll pick people that we think do good books and 625 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: they're friends of the show. But you know, I mean, 626 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: everyone wants to come on this radio show. I understand 627 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: for their books. I think with back to Kamala, though 628 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: this book wasn't an autobiography or a biography, it was 629 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: here is my expertise on criminal justice. Like, here's me 630 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: showing you what my knowledge and expertise is on an 631 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,479 Speaker 1: issue that is really the centerpiece of my career. And 632 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: to assuming it was a ghostwriter and look, if it's 633 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: not a ghostwriter, oh I'm sorry, Well then she's just 634 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: a crazy plagiarist, right, which is also possible. This is 635 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 1: a particularly this is a particularly egregious example of it, 636 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: because she was really using this as a credential. It's 637 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 1: not just to like, here's my life. Let's have somebody 638 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 1: turn this into a narrative. 639 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 2: I also think it goes and you hit on this 640 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 2: a bit earlier to I think the most lacerating attack 641 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,959 Speaker 2: on Kamala Harris in this campaign is that she's profoundly 642 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 2: and authentic and the fact that even her book is 643 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 2: copied and pasted from elsewhere, it reinforces oh, we just 644 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 2: copied and paste the Joe Biden platform. It reinforces the idea. 645 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 2: I said this on Fox News earlier today with Bill 646 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,280 Speaker 2: Hemmer and Dana Perino, that she doesn't do her homework. 647 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,320 Speaker 4: Buck, she just doesn't do her homework. 648 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: Cover it's her The cover is smart on crime. Oh man, 649 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 1: but you're asking for it. You're going to plagiarize and 650 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 1: you're smart on crime. Book about your smarts on crime? 651 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 2: We Buck played the cut of jd Vance calling out 652 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 2: Martha raddicch Radits, and it's important the way he responded, 653 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,279 Speaker 2: because it requires that you have done your homework on 654 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 2: an issue you and I have to do tons of 655 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,320 Speaker 2: hours of homework to sit down every day and talk 656 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 2: to all of you, and we want to make sure 657 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 2: we get our facts right, that we're aware of all 658 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:43,839 Speaker 2: the news stories that are out there. 659 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,840 Speaker 4: Kamala doesn't do her homework. She seems to be a 660 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 4: lazy politician. Some politicians are super detail oriented. Rod DeSantis 661 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,720 Speaker 4: is reading all the work himself. He's checking. 662 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 1: He's the guy that you wanted on the group project 663 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,359 Speaker 1: in college because you were going to get be able 664 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:01,880 Speaker 1: to go out and drink beer and he'd have it 665 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 1: all done for you the next morning. 666 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 4: That's right. 667 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,359 Speaker 2: So he's doing his homework. Kamala Harris isn't. And so 668 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 2: this just goes more and more to if she's not 669 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 2: willing to put in the work, why does she deserve 670 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 2: a promate promotion for a job she's already done. She 671 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 2: can't even tell you answer questions. 672 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,439 Speaker 4: About a job that she already has. 673 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:25,279 Speaker 2: This is I think going to be as we sit 674 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 2: here twenty two days out, further panic every day as 675 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 2: we count down class. 676 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,800 Speaker 1: I just have to think, what can they do if 677 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,799 Speaker 1: they hired you and I and we were going to 678 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,399 Speaker 1: be We're going to dispense with all principle all care 679 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 1: for the future of the country, like we were just 680 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 1: pure mercenaries for the Kamala campaign at this point, right 681 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 1: just as a thought exercise. I don't know, I don't 682 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:50,839 Speaker 1: know what they can do at this point other than 683 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 1: what they're doing, which is just, you know, let the 684 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 1: chips fall where they may. She's got to do some interviews, 685 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,799 Speaker 1: She's gonna sit down with Brett bher because they got 686 00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: to shake things up. Status quo is lost, know that. So, 687 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: but I'm just saying, what could they do that Isn't 688 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: you know that that's a difference from the campaign status quo. 689 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 1: I don't have any good, you know, any good options 690 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 1: here for them. You notice how little we're even talking 691 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: about the four criminal trials against Donald Trump, A meaning 692 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: that no one cares. Okay, this is a thing that 693 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: like elites on the coasts who only watch Morning Joe, 694 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 1: which I missed this morning, sadly, this is what they 695 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,799 Speaker 1: care about. No normal person cares about that. 696 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 2: What they're running up against, Buck is everybody's already made 697 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 2: up their opinions about Donald Trump. And the problem that 698 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 2: she has is, if you look at the data, a 699 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 2: lot of people have decided they don't like Kamala Harris 700 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,320 Speaker 2: on an even level with Donald Trump. That matters because 701 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,720 Speaker 2: a lot of the people who don't like Trump don't 702 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 2: even dispute that he's right on a lot of the issues. 703 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,239 Speaker 2: Kamala doesn't even have any other than abortion, which they 704 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,279 Speaker 2: have played to the end degree. What can you even 705 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 2: point to and say, hey, you know what, But I 706 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 2: can see her winning on that issue. She's wrong on everything, 707 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,720 Speaker 2: and moreover, she's taken both sides of every issue. 708 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 1: And I know that, you know, there are some people 709 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,280 Speaker 1: in the pro life community, and I understand this feeling 710 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 1: who think that Trump didn't take a hard enough line 711 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 1: on this or they wanted to take a different approach. 712 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 1: The worst thing that can happen is a Kamala Harris 713 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:25,280 Speaker 1: presidency for life or babies for the unborn and the womb. 714 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,400 Speaker 1: Trump's position of we're going to leave this to the states. 715 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 1: Everyone kind of knows it's we're going to leave it 716 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 1: to the states for now, but that has defanged I 717 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 1: think the issue this time. I remember Clay in twenty 718 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,240 Speaker 1: twenty two, it was, oh my gosh, it just happened. 719 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,120 Speaker 1: What's going to happen in these states? If you live 720 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,359 Speaker 1: in a Democrats state, You're getting abortions all over the place. 721 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:42,959 Speaker 4: Nobody cares. 722 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 2: The number of abortions has not changed, which is you know, 723 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 2: with the end of graduating. 724 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,399 Speaker 1: But yeah, tragic. But the political reality is it's tough 725 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 1: to get people that motivated over something that isn't really 726 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,360 Speaker 1: actually an issue for them. And you know, in the 727 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 1: red states, I think that people recognize first of all, 728 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,239 Speaker 1: lot of Red states even obviously still allow abortion, so 729 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 1: it's not the issue. I hope if I will say this, 730 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,360 Speaker 1: I'll put this marker down if Kamala Harris wins the election. 731 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,960 Speaker 1: To me, it's a symbol that unfortunately, right now, abortion 732 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 1: is a single issue that can actually just deliver the 733 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 1: presidency to Democrats. That's the only thing that I can 734 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,040 Speaker 1: see because the whole January sixth stuff, like even the 735 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:25,839 Speaker 1: Bill Maher audience when they tried to bring that up 736 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:27,879 Speaker 1: in overtime. Go watch the overtime segment, by the way, 737 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:28,240 Speaker 1: on YouTube. 738 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:28,879 Speaker 4: That was really good.