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Speaker 2: Just because I wanted to start a little competition.

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Speaker 1: He gets all over.

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Speaker 2: Let me scream louder when a guy slaps his wife

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Speaker 2: in public when his mom writes a book about him,

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Speaker 2: saying that he's a douche.

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Speaker 1: That's all I have to say.

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Speaker 3: Be grinding all my life, All my life, grinning all

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Speaker 3: my life, sacrifight, hustle, pe Price, One slice Got the

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Speaker 3: bronc geis swap all my life, be grinding all my life.

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Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome to another episode of Club Sha Shay. I

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Speaker 1: am your host, Shannon Sharp, but I'm also the propriud

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Speaker 1: of Club Shasha. The guy that' stopping buy for conversation

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Speaker 1: and drink Today is one of the most popular boxes

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Speaker 1: of all time. He had a sixteen year professional boxing career.

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Speaker 1: He won ten world titles titles. He's the first box

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Speaker 1: certain history to win titles in six different weight classes.

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Speaker 1: He won the Olympic gold medal in nineteen ninety two.

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Speaker 1: He's a Grammy nominated singer. He once accumulated the largest

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Speaker 1: pay per view draw ever. He generated over seven hundred

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Speaker 1: million in pay per view biased. An icon, a legend,

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Speaker 1: a champion, an international Boxing Hall of Famer, an accomplished entrepreneur.

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Speaker 1: He's the first American of Mexican descent to own a

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Speaker 1: national boxing promotional company. He founded the highly successful, highly

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Speaker 1: successful Golden Boy Promotion. He has a statue in front

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Speaker 1: of Staples Nice crypt dot com arena. He's from East

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles. Here he is the Golden Boy. Mosca de

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Speaker 1: la Hoya. Thank you for how was that intro? That

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Speaker 1: was great? That was amazing.

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Speaker 2: I think I think you have a such a career

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Speaker 2: announcing me everywhere I go, announce him.

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Speaker 1: Let me when you hear what you've been able to

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Speaker 1: accomplish and people, because everywhere you go, everybody knows who

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Speaker 1: you are, your world renowned. Do you look back and like, damn,

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Speaker 1: I really did all that? The first to win titles

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Speaker 1: in six different weight classes, right?

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Speaker 2: I literally do have to remind myself quite a bit. Actually,

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Speaker 2: I don't think about it.

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 2: I'm the type of person that I just lived my life,

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Speaker 2: you know. I I have a job at hand in

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Speaker 2: front of me. I focus on that. I focus on

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Speaker 2: you know, uh, my beautiful partner. I focus on myself,

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Speaker 2: my business. It's like I don't think about like what

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Speaker 2: I accomplish, but when I do talk about it, when

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Speaker 2: you did interview, you like, oh damn, I didn't accomplish

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Speaker 2: quite a few things.

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Speaker 1: Because when you hear them talk about all these other boxers.

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Speaker 1: Obviously we're going to talk about Floyd, but you hear

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Speaker 1: about Ray Larder, you hear about Marvin haglerrist, so you

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Speaker 1: hear about at many Pakia a division champ. If I'm

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Speaker 1: not mistaken, the only the only when you hear and

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Speaker 1: people start talking about it, like, hold on, wait a minute, now,

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Speaker 1: did y'all forget about the Golden board? Do y'all remember

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Speaker 1: what I've done? I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't really, I don't really tell myself fat or

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Speaker 2: I really don't focus on what everybody else is talking

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Speaker 2: about or who they're talking about. Like I accomplished, You've

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Speaker 2: done it quite a few things. I'm proud of it.

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Speaker 2: I realized it. I recognize it.

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Speaker 1: And it's so be it. You know. Now I'm just me.

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Speaker 2: Now, I'm just focused on, you know, just living the

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Speaker 2: life that I should be living and deserve to be living,

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Speaker 2: you know, just being happy and and and and doing

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Speaker 2: some good business, uh, promoting the right fights, right building fighters.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it's but uh, yeah it is.

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Speaker 2: It's sometimes I do have to pinch myself a bit

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Speaker 2: and uh and remind myself of what I accomplished.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty well. It wouldn't be Club Shasha if we

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Speaker 1: didn't ask you to rank some of these fighters. So

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Speaker 1: where would we put Oscar de la Hoya if we said, uh,

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Speaker 1: Floyd Mayweather, Manny Pacquiao, Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones, Junior Canelo Alvarez.

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Speaker 1: Who else would belong in that? Uh? In your generation?

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Speaker 1: I mentioned Canelo?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Trinidad Trinidad peito, what our sweet pee? Yeah, we

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Speaker 2: would I would rank myself second to last. Really, yeah,

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Speaker 2: in front of Canelo?

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Speaker 1: Why would Why would you put Canelo last?

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Speaker 2: Because he's not better than any other fighter you just mentioned, right,

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Speaker 2: and he's certainly not better than me.

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Speaker 1: Right. But here's the thing, though, you look at what

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Speaker 1: he's done one sixty one sixty eight light heavy three division.

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Speaker 1: Roy was untouchable. Amazing. So you're like, Okay, where would

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Speaker 1: is how we're gonna do it, Manny Pacquil Floyd May.

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Speaker 1: Where the Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones Jr. Ranked those guys?

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Speaker 2: Well, I fought I fought three of those guys that

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Speaker 2: you just mentioned, and and they all beat me. So

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Speaker 2: so the key here is that I fought them, and

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Speaker 2: I was willing to fight them. I was, and I

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Speaker 2: fought them in order to to make history right, which

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Speaker 2: which fighters don't do nowadays. No, they did, They just don't.

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Speaker 2: They wait till you get older.

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Speaker 1: I was.

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Speaker 2: I was waiting for myself to get older to fight

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Speaker 2: those guys in their prime.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: So except for Bernard Hopkins, I was forty eight years

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Speaker 2: he's a machine.

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Speaker 1: You know that that. But you had moved up, you moved.

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Speaker 2: To sixty and fight him to make history. That's what

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Speaker 2: it's all about. So I think, I think, look, Floyd

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Speaker 2: flo It is a great fighter. Obviously, he's undefeated. Everybody

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Speaker 2: he is the best. Everybody has their opinion and that's fine,

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Speaker 2: that's okay. You look at their records. Okay, well maybe

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Speaker 2: with this guy he lost, maybe it was controversial, maybe

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Speaker 2: it was a close fight. Everybody has those on their records.

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Speaker 1: I have.

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Speaker 2: Three losses that I can't debate with Pachyel because he

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Speaker 2: stopped me, with Hopkins because he stopped me, and probably

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Speaker 2: who else, Shane Mosley the first one, which was an

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Speaker 2: those fights there, I can't. I cannot, like you know,

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Speaker 2: debate with anybody that I lost. But the other fights, yeah,

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Speaker 2: they're debatable. You know, you can make the argument just

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Speaker 2: Are they great?

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Speaker 1: Yes? Are they?

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Speaker 2: The very very asked who knows. It's a debate.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. I've heard you on several

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Speaker 1: occasions said, you feel that you beat Floyd in that fight. Sure,

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Speaker 1: obviously that might've been one of the last fights that

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Speaker 1: I've been to. I was at that fight. Why do

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Speaker 1: you feel you won that fight?

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Speaker 2: You know, when you're a fighter inside the ring, when

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Speaker 2: that final bell rings, you know it in your heart.

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Speaker 1: In your gut, if and physically, if.

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Speaker 2: You won or you lost, you just feel it's it's

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Speaker 2: a sensation, and I just felt it.

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Speaker 1: You know. Whether I was wrong or whether I'm right,

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Speaker 1: I don't care. It doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: I fought against the very best in Floyd Mayweather younger

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Speaker 2: in his prime, just you know, undefeated, and I was

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Speaker 2: over the hill, tons of injuries. So I was pretty

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Speaker 2: proud with what I accomplished that night. So maybe I

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Speaker 2: so read out.

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Speaker 1: Normally you have to beat the champion to.

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Speaker 2: Take to take its title, so you take all those variables,

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Speaker 2: and I felt that, you know, okay, maybe let me

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Speaker 1: Right, do you feel because it looked like to me

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Speaker 1: you started that flurry like the first nive or six rounds,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's a twelve round fight, correct, And

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Speaker 2: you know, as an elite fighter, you're always keeping track

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Speaker 2: of what you're doing every every second, every minute. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I have this run in the bag, I have this one,

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Speaker 2: this one. Wait, that's that's maybe six or seven.

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Speaker 1: Let me cruise.

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Speaker 2: Let me if I get injuries, just the way I

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Speaker 2: did during the fight because I had torn rotator.

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Speaker 1: Oh you got your rotating you tore your rotated, comping

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Speaker 1: up of them.

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Speaker 2: No, I going into the fight, going into the fight, okay,

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Speaker 2: if I just win one more round, I can win

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Speaker 2: the fight seven to five, maybe a draw.

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Speaker 1: So you start.

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Speaker 2: Thinking that right and that that can be a mistake

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Speaker 1: shay Shape. What makes Floyd so unique because he fought

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Speaker 1: you know, He's fought Packy y'all. He fought you, he

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Speaker 1: fought Gotti, he fought Corrals, he fought Ricky Hatten. He's

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Speaker 1: champions like yourself. What makes him so unique his pedigree.

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Speaker 2: Look, I'm good friends with his father. The best trainer

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Speaker 2: for the professor who trained me for the Chavist fight

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Speaker 2: when I beat Chavis in nineteen ninety six. But Floyd

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Speaker 2: It's not a broken hay Well, I think I think

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Speaker 2: Yes, you know, he knows how to he knows how

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Speaker 1: And you asked me the questestion about.

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Speaker 1: Everybody had their own unique style.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Duran was a beast, Yes, Hagler was a beast. Yes,

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Speaker 2: Hard to say whether he would have won or lost,

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Speaker 1: Just, I mean, that much more exciting because back then,

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Speaker 2: Well, look what people don't understand and know or maybe forget.

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Speaker 2: I promoted Floyd's sixteen fights roughly when we were building him, hm,

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Speaker 1: Well, but he's a much bigger man.

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Speaker 2: No, he is, but he's twenty one years old flexing

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Speaker 1: I'm the very best. Guess what you got schooled? You

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Speaker 2: So so my point is Floyd played his cards right.

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Speaker 1: It's Floyd. Let me ask you a question, why do you

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Speaker 2: Why didn't we have a rematch? Well, this is something

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Speaker 1: Guess what Floyd did.

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Speaker 2: He retired for a year and one day let the

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Speaker 1: That's it. Had you had to rematch? Do you feel

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Speaker 2: No, no, my body was breaking down. My body was

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Speaker 2: I felt it in the seventh eighth round where my

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Speaker 1: My body was breaking down.

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Speaker 2: I fought pack yao, and uh, I was a dead

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Speaker 1: Knock me out, just stop me right here. Really. Oh yeah, Well,

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Speaker 1: if you, Oscar, if you know your body is breaking down,

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Speaker 1: Why take a fight with Pakia when you know he

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Speaker 2: I always dared to be great.

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Speaker 1: You had already had that, Oscar, I want some more.

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Speaker 1: You and Floyd follow on. If I'm not mistaken, it

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Speaker 2: I was thinking away the hats on backwards and he's

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Speaker 2: put it on right, you know, No, it was appropriate.

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Speaker 2: I was just thinking at that time, man, I want

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Speaker 1: But then you think, because I'm a businessman too.

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Speaker 2: I started Golden Boy Promotions way before I even finished fighting,

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Speaker 2: you know, from Miguel Coto to you know, to everybody,

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Speaker 1: Floyd was the perfect villain. You know.

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Speaker 2: People people love to hate him, and guess what, he

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Speaker 1: Do you think people tuning in to watch the greatness

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Speaker 2: A lot of people tuned in to watch him lose,

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Speaker 1: Do they really do? People?

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Speaker 1: I know? The purest, the purest, like you said, people

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Speaker 1: But do you think the casual, the late person realized

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Speaker 2: I don't think so. I don't think so. It's it's

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Speaker 1: You know, we don't realize. We don't. We don't. We

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Speaker 1: I think the thing that what makes him so unique

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Speaker 2: Succumbed, right, which is smart, which is great.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he didn't get.

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Speaker 2: He played it smart. That's and that's what it's all about.

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Speaker 1: It is.

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Speaker 2: The business is great, you know, but it wasn't my

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Speaker 2: It wasn't my cup of tea. My cup of tea

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Speaker 2: You fight against the best, and guess what you're gonna

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Speaker 2: The chances are of losing are are pretty great because

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Speaker 2: That was my mentality going into every single fight I

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Speaker 1: Maybe he caught him when he was older. You can

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Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, when you watch

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's undeniable. Had you had because you had Floyd Senior,

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Speaker 1: where's your trainer up until you got ready to fight

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Speaker 2: I would knock him out really absolutely. If I was

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Speaker 1: Really. Senior was that good of a trainer, You have

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Speaker 1: that much confidence in your ability, you would have done

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00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,160
Speaker 1: something that. No, man, I mean he, I mean, I've

438
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:03,479
Speaker 1: only seen Floyd take really maybe a handful of solid punches. Sure,

439
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 1: and you feel you were gonna be able to put

440
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 1: together a package to.

441
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,199
Speaker 2: Not absolutely and you know what the key was, and

442
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,200
Speaker 2: the key is to that style. This is a job

443
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 2: opens up all the doors. When my job failed me,

444
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 2: it was over. I knew it in my heart, in

445
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,680
Speaker 2: my head, I knew it was over. Floyd was coming

446
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 2: after me because he closes the show. He knows how

447
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:27,359
Speaker 2: to reserve his energies and his gas tank to close

448
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 2: the show at the end. And I'll tell you a

449
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 2: story that nobody knows. We were negotiating to fight Floyd

450
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:41,119
Speaker 2: again after the contract expired, and I started negotiating with

451
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 2: Floyd's father to train me to beat his son. He

452
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,359
Speaker 2: wanted too much money, and I just said, you know what,

453
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 2: aside from the money, okay, I understand that it's a

454
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,119
Speaker 2: lot of money that I have to pay you, so

455
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 2: I'm going to pass. But aside from that, morally, I

456
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 2: think I just thought it was wrong, you know, his

457
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 2: father being in this corner, being because I think at

458
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 2: the time they were having a little, you know.

459
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 1: Little issue.

460
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,399
Speaker 2: You know, it happens in every family. It happens in

461
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 2: every family. So I said, you know what, No, I

462
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 2: can't do this. I cannot do this to a family

463
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 2: who has been in the business for a very long time.

464
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 2: I don't know how many generations. Mogle Roger, not his

465
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 2: I think his other uncle Jeff, who I fought.

466
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,159
Speaker 1: So yeah, they I mean.

467
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 2: Boxing runs in their blood and I so I just

468
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 2: couldn't do that to them, and we didn't make.

469
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:43,120
Speaker 1: The fight Pacquiao Mayweather. What would have been different had

470
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,160
Speaker 1: they fought let's just say five years earlier, because everybody

471
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 1: believed all that they wanted that fight. We had been

472
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 1: clamoring for that fight for five ten years. Had they

473
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 1: fought five years earlier, is the outcome any different?

474
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 2: Let's just say it would have probably in a controversial decision,

475
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 2: you know, like a closer fight. But I still think

476
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 2: that Toy Brody probably would have pulled it off.

477
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 1: I really do think so. Pack Yall.

478
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,679
Speaker 2: At the time when he was coming up, when I

479
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 2: fought him, he was he was literally a pac man.

480
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 2: He was just chomping at me like there's no tomorrow.

481
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,120
Speaker 2: He wouldn't stop, he wouldn't stop throwing punches. That pack

482
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 2: Yall probably gives Mayweather.

483
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 1: A better fight. Wow.

484
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know if he wins, but he

485
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 2: gives him a better fight.

486
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 1: And so you feel this fight happened a couple of

487
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 1: years a little too late.

488
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,120
Speaker 2: You know, you want to see you want to see

489
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 2: a back and forth, and you want to see, you know,

490
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 2: evenly matched on paper when we saw it live. Yeah,

491
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,640
Speaker 2: I mean as as a fighter myself, I know exactly

492
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 2: what's going on with the fighters mentally and physically, and

493
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 2: pack Yao wasn't the same. And you know, you can

494
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 2: make the argument for Floyd as well, you know, on

495
00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 2: at their peak.

496
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I still think that Toloy would have what would

497
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: have won the fight when you fall Pacquiao, I think

498
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: they stopped the fight in the eighth round. I didn't

499
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:09,919
Speaker 1: come out for the ninth. Yeah, you didn't come out.

500
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: You're right, you didn't come out that had to be

501
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 1: because Mexican fighters, you guys are pride for you guys

502
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 1: are down that shield and you're that You know, when

503
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 1: we talk about Mexican fighters, we know they're tough. We

504
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: know they're fearless, and they don't fear any they don't.

505
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 1: They'll walk through hell for a fight if they need to.

506
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 1: Right for you to not get up off that stool

507
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 1: and take that bail in the night, what was going

508
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 1: through your mind at that time, Oscar?

509
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 2: Well, what happened in that fight? I mean I was

510
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 2: a zombie. I was drained. I think I had fought

511
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 2: Bernard Hopkins at one six sixty and then I said,

512
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 2: let me, let me dare to be great again and

513
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,959
Speaker 2: fight this young kid who they're talking about at one

514
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 2: forty seven. I literally waited one forty four for that fight,

515
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 2: and I was just I was a skeleton.

516
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: It was too much.

517
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 2: So I knew in my heart, in my head that

518
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 2: it was over for me. The first round happened, he

519
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 2: punched me. I couldn't throw back. My instincts weren't there,

520
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 2: my fast twitch muscles weren't there. And every single round,

521
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 2: every single round. If you watch my documentary that came

522
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 2: out on HBO called The Golden Boy. It explains to

523
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 2: you what I was thinking, what I was feeling. I

524
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 2: literally wanted to die in that ring. In the eighth round,

525
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 2: everybody was going to stop it, okay, or the seventh round.

526
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 2: One of those rounds, everybody wanted to stop it, including

527
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 2: the referee, the trainer, and I said, no, I want

528
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 2: one more because in my head I was thinking, if

529
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 2: he punches me, maybe I won't I won't wake up.

530
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 1: You know, Well, there's some other things going on that

531
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: you wanted to die in the ring.

532
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 2: Of course, I wanted my whole life to die, the

533
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 2: whole life that I was living at the time, you know,

534
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 2: having to go through rehabs, having to go through you know,

535
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 2: all this fame and money and women and this and that.

536
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: It was just overwhelmed me. And now I can't perform.

537
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 2: Now I don't have the last thing that I love

538
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 2: that I worked so hard for. I don't have it anymore.

539
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 2: So just ended here in the middle of the ring.

540
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 2: Just punched me so I can die.

541
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 1: Right, Wow, So did you underestimate Manny? Did you understand

542
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: what he was? I think he moved up from what

543
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: once one of Sister One to twelve and had blown

544
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 1: through everybody thirty thirty five, forty forty seven. So you

545
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: didn't underestimate him. You knew what he he got packed man,

546
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 1: that name, he got that name for a reason. Oh yeah,

547
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: I underestimated him. But it didn't matter.

548
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 2: Even if I true, even if I was, I was

549
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 2: a dead man walking I was.

550
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 1: I couldn't have taken the fight at fifty four.

551
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 2: I don't think they would have done it because he

552
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 2: was coming, like he said, he was coming up and wait,

553
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 2: it was probably too much at the time, but.

554
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 1: Even at fifty four he probably still No. Shamee in

555
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: my game, Shane Mosley, So shame you fought Shane Mosley.

556
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: Like you said, There's one thing they can't say about you.

557
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: I mean, people might say a lot of different things

558
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: about you, and but they can't say that you ducked anybody. No, no, no,

559
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: you fought Shane.

560
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 2: No, I thought, Shane when nobody wanted to fight.

561
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: No, no, no, that was the hell of a fight.

562
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: It was. It was what made Shane.

563
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 2: You need well, I've known Shane since we were kids,

564
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 2: and you know him beating everybody labeled as like sugar,

565
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 2: Ray Robinson, not Ray Leonard sugar Y Robinson.

566
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: Because he had dynamite. He was amazing and he can punch.

567
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 2: Yes, but we grew up together, and I think we

568
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 2: fought twice. I think he beat me twice, right, or

569
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 2: it was one in one. So I knew what I

570
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 2: was up against, you know, I knew why people didn't

571
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 2: want to fight him, right, So I said, you know what,

572
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 2: why not, come on, let's go. Let's there to be

573
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 2: great again. So Staples Center. It was the first fight

574
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 2: ever we opened it up for the Staples Center from

575
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 2: promos exactly.

576
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: I mean it was Shannon. It was like the Oscars.

577
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 2: Wow, it was crazy, and I mean I was like

578
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 2: in I was stars just watching everybody in between rounds,

579
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 2: like who's there, Who's there?

580
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: It was amazing.

581
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 2: It was incredible, and I'm just happy that it was

582
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 2: a great fight. It was an amazing fighter. Yeah, I'm

583
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 2: sad that I lost, but it was a great fight.

584
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety seven, at the age of twenty four,

585
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: you had five title fights in one year. Yeah. You

586
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: beat Miguel sweet Pee, Yeah, Camu Camacho Yeah. Yeah. Would

587
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: we ever see a fighter fight five fights in one year?

588
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: A game fight? Forget? Forget. I ain't saying, no, we're

589
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: not gonna see title fight, But will we see a

590
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: boxer fight five times in one season.

591
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 2: At the elgit at the elite level, at the elite level, No, no,

592
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 2: we won't see it.

593
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: We won't see it.

594
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 2: It's one thing about boxing that's taken place over the years,

595
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 2: and maybe it's the Floyd effect.

596
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: Who knows.

597
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 2: They now think business first, you know, and that's.

598
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: A big problem. It's a big problem.

599
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 2: Fights are not being made because everybody wants to get

600
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 2: you know, the big big of course, so there's not

601
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 2: enough money to go around. So guess what, Let me

602
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 2: fight this uh, let me fight this guy who is

603
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 2: gonna cost me of pennies on the dollar instead of

604
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 2: fighting Benavitez, you know who, who equally should share the

605
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 2: purse with Canelo or maybe six But you can't give

606
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 2: you seventy thirty. You can't give them ten to twenty.

607
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, it's not fair, right, Yeah, it's

608
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 2: not gonna happen. Ever again, I think I wish it would,

609
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 2: but it's it's just hard to make those fights happen

610
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 2: because of the business.

611
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: So like when you like you're a promoter and you're

612
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: trying to put fights together. When you go to your fighter,

613
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: he was like, Okay, this is a fight that I

614
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: think we can make happen. I think the split should

615
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: probably be fifty five forty five sixty forty. What do

616
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: you think about that? You take it to the guy

617
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: and you know, y'all bounce ideals off of each other.

618
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: Is that how it works? Yeah?

619
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 2: I mean it all depends on the opponent. It depends

620
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 2: on you know, how long he's been championed, is he undefeated,

621
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 2: does he have a fan base? See that's important. A

622
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,239
Speaker 2: lot of fighters today think that they're superstars because they

623
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 2: have a world title. But guess what, they can't sell

624
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 2: a seat, which is a big problem.

625
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: You know.

626
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, once we get the right, once we get the

627
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 2: fees from television, we have to sell tickets, sponsors, this

628
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 2: that pay per views. Well, guess what, maybe because you

629
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 2: don't sell, I'll give your salary. Maybe i'll give you

630
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 2: a flat fee, right, and it's going to be the

631
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 2: biggest person of your life. But you are not quite

632
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 2: ready to be to to make those pay per view.

633
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: Dollars, you know, to a headline. So that because I

634
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: think you're right, because I think a lot of guys

635
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: are like they're more concerned with being undefeated than taking

636
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: a big fight. Because Oscar, all things being equal, I

637
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: can't blame them. If I can fight this, if I

638
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: can fight Fighter B sure and make fifteen million, and

639
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: I know I can beat him, well, there are a

640
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: ninety percent chances I can beat him. Why would I

641
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: fight Fighter A for twenty million when it's fifty to

642
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: fifty sure?

643
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 2: Well, look, first of all, the problem is that fighters

644
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 2: are thinking they're going to make fifteen million.

645
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: Dollars, I just do it. Number No.

646
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 2: But but that that's a perfect example. Fighters have to

647
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 2: realize their their own worth and they create their own worth. Yes,

648
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 2: the promoter knows how to navigate your career and get

649
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 2: to the right wins and position you to become a

650
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 2: world champion, but.

651
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: It's up to you to sell yourself. Right, it's up.

652
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: Look at Floyd, look at look at look at.

653
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 2: Ryan Garcia, look at these fighters like Canelo, who who

654
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 2: have skills, who fight hard. But at the same time

655
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 2: they have that a huge fan base because they're working

656
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 2: it outside the ring.

657
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: Right. But the thing is Oscar, people want to see knockouts.

658
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: People don't want to see well, don't want to go

659
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: to the cards, and too many guys keep going to

660
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: the cards. Yeah, you might be twenty and zero, but

661
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: your fights are boring. If you're not knocking people down,

662
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: if you're not putting people out, people are not going

663
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: to pay. They're harder money on a pay per view

664
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: or to go to a fight.

665
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 2: I'll give you a perfect example of a young fighter

666
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 2: right now in that position. It's course Stevenson, the greatest

667
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 2: fighter I've ever seen. Beautiful style, yes, great technique, has

668
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 2: the punching power, has the chin. But he needs the

669
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 2: confidence to fight. He has to believe in himself to

670
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 2: put on a good show and sell seats. That's the

671
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 2: problem he's having. He's not selling seats. He's a great fighter,

672
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 2: he's the all this money and fights are not being made.

673
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: But in order to be a great fighter and to

674
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: put people out, you have to be willing to take

675
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: a chance. You have to because if you throw a punch,

676
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: you can't block like and throw the punch, so you

677
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: subject yourself to something coming back. Is he afraid of

678
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: taking chance? Is he afraid of receiving something that's coming

679
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: back when he throws? Well, yeah, there's a saying.

680
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 2: What is it's scared for losing or you know, it's

681
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 2: it's it's it's true. I mean, look fighting, there's a

682
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 2: stigma in boxing like that if you lose your oh.

683
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: It's over, your career is over. No, it's not. It

684
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: depends how you fight.

685
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 2: You can be an undefeated fighter and not be a fighter,

686
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 2: and not be an attraction and not be a guy

687
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 2: who everybody wants to see. It all depends on how

688
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 2: you perform, and you're as good as your last fight.

689
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 2: In boxing, if you have a fight like let's say

690
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 2: Jimi Mungia and Canelo right him and lost. Okay, well

691
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 2: his comeback fighterf he chooses the right opponent and he

692
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 2: looks like a million dollars and he knocks him out. Well,

693
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 2: guess what he's back. He's probably even bigger than when

694
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 2: he fought Canelos. So it's all strategy, it's all how

695
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 2: you perform inside the ring.

696
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: You made a lot of money. So what was some

697
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: of the first what like being from East La, you

698
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 1: grew up, how you grew up when you got that

699
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,720
Speaker 1: big payday? What was the first thing? Oscar Bob.

700
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 2: Wow Man I was I was nineteen eighteen that came

701
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 2: out of the Olympic Games in nineteen ninety two. I

702
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 2: bought my I bought a home for my parents from

703
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 2: my dad. Yeah, for my dad. I bought a home

704
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 2: for my dad. And then let's see, I wow, Yeah, that.

705
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 1: Was the big thing I bought. Yeah for anything for yourself. No, No,

706
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: I'm not.

707
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 2: I wasn't really a big spender. I wasn't really. I'm

708
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 2: not into cars.

709
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: I'm not.

710
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 2: You know, it's like I kind of think maybe that's

711
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 2: why I kept all my money.

712
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 1: But you like to gamble, you here and there, here

713
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: and there, you don't gamble as much as No, I

714
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: don't know, don't I don't.

715
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 2: I mean, i'll play within If I don't feel good,

716
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,439
Speaker 2: then I'll stop and I won't play.

717
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: And I don't. I'm not. What's your game of choice?

718
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 2: I'll do bock Rode and dice, but I'll play maybe

719
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 2: one series six every year, one's series five.

720
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: I don't. It's not it's not my thing, right. I

721
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: read that jay Z bet you one hundred thousand that

722
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: Miguel Cody would beat Canelo and sent you the money

723
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: immediately after the war.

724
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 2: So we're promoting Canelo at the time, Golden Boy, and

725
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 2: he's promoting Codo, and so I said, you know what,

726
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 2: why don't we why don't we place a bet here

727
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 2: of two hundred and fifty thousand dollars? Okay, but it

728
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 2: goes to charity. So Canelo wins, my charity wins the

729
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 2: two fifths, and sure enough he paid it on the spot.

730
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 2: I think the next day was in the bank. So

731
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,240
Speaker 2: now look, jay Z loves boxing. Uh he knows it's boxing,

732
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 2: but he's uh, he's a guy who, uh you.

733
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: Took advantage, who pays his bets you. It was a

734
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 1: close fight.

735
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 2: Actually a lot of people think Codo beat him, but

736
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 2: I had the insights.

737
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: So what made you? What made you get into the

738
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: promotion game?

739
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 2: When I started, I was with Barbara. I was kind

740
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 2: of breaking away from Barbara. Yeah, our contract was expiring.

741
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 2: I I came out guns blazing saying I want to

742
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 2: help out the athletes. I want to be the promoter

743
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 2: who is like looking out for the fighters. Okay, that

744
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 2: was that was my main motive. That was that was

745
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 2: why I started boxing.

746
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 1: So you got into the fight game and you said,

747
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 1: you know what, I want to help the boxer. I

748
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 1: don't think they're getting a fair shape blah. Blah blah,

749
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: and you're like, Okay, I'm gonna start my own thing.

750
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be because you started this. You're still fighting. Yeah.

751
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was fighting at the time.

752
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: I was active.

753
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 2: I started when I fought Fernando Vargas, okay, and I

754
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 2: remember being in the dressing room and I was beat up.

755
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 2: I knocked him out in the eleventh round, but I

756
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 2: was just beat up, and I said to myself, you

757
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,760
Speaker 2: know what, I think, it's it's almost time to retire.

758
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 2: What am I gonna do after boxing? What am I

759
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 2: gonna do?

760
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: Yeah?

761
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 2: I can drift off to the sunset and you know,

762
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 2: go by myself a little boat and live on the.

763
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:30,720
Speaker 1: Beach or whatever.

764
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 2: But I knew that I was not going to be

765
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 2: happy in the long run. So I said to myself,

766
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,720
Speaker 2: let me, let me do something within the sport. Because

767
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 2: I love boxing. There's a lot of room for improvement.

768
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 2: A lot of fighters are saying, well, they need help

769
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 2: this and that. So let me start Golden Boy. And

770
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 2: that's where that's where it was born.

771
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: So let me. How do you how do you convince

772
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: because okay, you got top rank. I think Floyd has

773
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: a company. I don't know if he's still with Alheimen

774
00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: or anything like that. So I don't know what's going

775
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: on with that. Adie Hearn. I think Adie Hearn have

776
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 1: a fight company. Is don King still in the business.

777
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,760
Speaker 1: They're four or five big promotion? So how does Oscar

778
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: de la Hoya goes insists in someone's home or his

779
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: mom's home, his dad home, or have a conversation and

780
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: says Golden Boy is the right promoting company for you?

781
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, yeah, there's there's Bob aram.

782
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 1: Don King. Not really he's yeah there.

783
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 2: I mean both guys are like ninety five years old.

784
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:29,760
Speaker 2: I don't know how Bob is doing it, but he's

785
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 2: I want some of that stuff that he's taking.

786
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: I really do, because you see him.

787
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 2: He's happy promoting at ninety five. So you have about

788
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,280
Speaker 2: Eddie Hearn. So literally it's PBC, which is Al Hayman.

789
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 2: So there's like four of us right out there. The

790
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 2: difference with all four okay that nobody can say, Okay,

791
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 2: I was a fighter. I laced up the gloves. I

792
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 2: know what it feels like to take the punch. I

793
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 2: know what it feels like to have to sell a fight,

794
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 2: to go out there and promote I know how it

795
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 2: feels like to being taken advantage of because I'm a fighter,

796
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 2: so I know all that and plus a huge advantages.

797
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 2: I'm the only Hispanic fighter to ever start a national boxing.

798
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: Promotional promotional company.

799
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 2: So if you take a look at all the Hispanic

800
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 2: fighters that you.

801
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: Know, you identify with them.

802
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,240
Speaker 2: They look up to you, so it makes it easier

803
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,919
Speaker 2: for me to sign them and to guide them.

804
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,760
Speaker 1: You know, I mean not only do you speak their language, literally,

805
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,240
Speaker 1: you speak your language. Figure because you are a fighter

806
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: and you went through I mean you had to the

807
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: great amateur background and so forth and so on. But

808
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: when you look at boxing, people don't box. My choice

809
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: is necessity, and sometimes I feel it's either to take

810
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,760
Speaker 1: advantage of someone that comes from a disinvent to improverished

811
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:58,720
Speaker 1: situation because you throw one hundred thousand, five hundred thousand,

812
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: and then you set the guy and then you go

813
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: to make money over fist. Did you experience some of

814
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: that growing up when you were in the fight game,

815
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: when promoters tried to take advantage of Oscar da la Hordes.

816
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 2: I experienced it right when I got back from the

817
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 2: Olympic Games. I experienced it when somebody promised me a

818
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 2: million dollars. Okay, I'm eighteen years old. Here's a million

819
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 2: dollars to sign with me.

820
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: You know how much I saw? I saw like fifty thousand.

821
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 2: What about fifty thousand dollars?

822
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: The idea taxes, I don't know. Yeah, it was even

823
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: back the tax breaking. I learned the hard way. I did.

824
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: I did. I learned that.

825
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 2: But that was the best. That was a blessing in

826
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 2: disguise because I learned fast. I learned how to take

827
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 2: care of my money. I learned who to look out for. Okay,

828
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 2: why do I need a manager? Why do I need

829
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 2: an advisor? Okay, I need a promoter because the promoter's

830
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 2: going to guide my career and take me to the

831
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 2: next level. I can't do what a promoter is doing

832
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 2: for me. Fighters need a promoter. So I said, okay,

833
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 2: let me. That's that's a percentage off my pie. Okay,

834
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,280
Speaker 2: But everything else I can just pay on salary.

835
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: That's it.

836
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 2: So I'm keeping all of my pie to myself. So

837
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,919
Speaker 2: that's yeah, I learned the hard way, you know, fairly quick.

838
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: And because you need tax people, because you hear see

839
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: a lot of boxers they run into tax problems. And

840
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: but let me ask you this. I was reading somewhere.

841
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: It's like I think I was reading that the guy

842
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: was explaining, like Mike Tyson and Don King, like if

843
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,439
Speaker 1: he's you go to your promoter, Bob Mayor at the time,

844
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: and you say, Bob, I need twenty tickets. Those are

845
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: not gifts. You got to pay for those. That's gonna

846
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 1: cook out your salary, right.

847
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, And whoever's participating in the fight, it's

848
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 2: coming off their percentage as well.

849
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 1: So yeah, nothing's free, right, so you get so oh man,

850
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: my promoter me this rolls Royce, My promoter me colding this.

851
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: And did fighters always know that even though they were

852
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: getting these things, that that was actually coming out of

853
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: their pocket or they thought they were just being gifted

854
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: those things?

855
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 2: Uh, it's it's it's a couple of things. A lot

856
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 2: of athletes, a lot of fighters, they just they just

857
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 2: turned away. They don't want to hear about it.

858
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: They don't want to.

859
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 2: They don't want to I guess you know know that

860
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 2: that's real. You know, they just they just want to

861
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 2: shy away from it and let somebody else deal with it.

862
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: You know.

863
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 2: I think that it's the athlete's responsibility. You know, it's

864
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 2: for instance, Mike Tyson and Don King. Well people keep saying,

865
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 2: well Don King ripped off Mike Tyson and this and that.

866
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 2: Well Mike Tyson made about four hundred five hundred million dollars.

867
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 2: That's his money. What he does with that, it's not

868
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 2: Don King's fault, right, So you know, you have to

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Speaker 2: as an athlete, as a person, you have to you

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Speaker 2: have to look out for your best interest as well.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned earlier when Floyd was he bought out of

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Speaker 1: his contract with Top Right. You had started your company

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Speaker 1: and for like what sixteen seventeen fights, you promoted Floyd.

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Speaker 1: I did promote Floyd.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you know he was the time when

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Speaker 2: he was making the h I think it was a

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Speaker 2: showtime contract thirty forty million dollars. Yeah, we promoted all

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Speaker 2: those fights, right, you know, great experience for us. It was,

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Speaker 2: you know, it put us on the map obviously, and

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Speaker 2: you know we're now one of the top promoters in

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Speaker 2: the world.

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Speaker 1: So look, boxing.

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Speaker 2: The one thing that I'm not too keen on and

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Speaker 2: with boxing is that it became a business. It wasn't

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Speaker 2: a business before. Yes, you're making money. I made a

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Speaker 2: lot of money.

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Speaker 1: But I treated.

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Speaker 2: Boxing as as as as you know, trying to be

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Speaker 2: great as a platform for me to be great. Not

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Speaker 2: a businessman.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a b so, but can I look at

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Speaker 1: it like this. They saw a lot of other great

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Speaker 1: fighters in their career, great but broke. Yeah, and so

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Speaker 1: they say it, of all things being equal, I would

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Speaker 1: rather be less great and more wealthy as as opposed

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Speaker 1: to being great and broke.

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Speaker 2: Can you I have to disagree because I've lived it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm in these shoes. And it's again the responsibility of

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Speaker 2: the fighter, of the athlete, and it's not just boxers.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, if I'm making thirty million dollars and

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Speaker 2: I'm spending like a madman and I'm.

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Speaker 1: Having all these revenue, I've got to get. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But if I'm spending like I'm still making that type

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Speaker 2: of money, Chris, what, I'm going to run out of money,

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Speaker 2: And that's the individual's fault. Maybe I'm not paying taxes,

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Speaker 2: maybe I owe people money, Maybe I'm just maybe I

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Speaker 2: just want to live this lavish lifestyle so I can

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Speaker 2: get the clicks. It's it's it's the individual's responsibility.

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Speaker 1: But you have to understand also Oscar. You're dealing with

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Speaker 1: guys that have very limited education, they come from very

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Speaker 1: impoverished backgrounds. They're trying to lift themselves, uplift them family,

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Speaker 1: their families up and put them in a a in

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Speaker 1: a social economics that had it not been for boxing,

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Speaker 1: they probably would have never been there. And so they're

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Speaker 1: easy to take advantage of. Absolutely, But I get what

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Speaker 1: you're saying, like, oh, it's still your responsibility. But me,

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Speaker 1: I couldn't take advantage of somewhat even if I had

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Speaker 1: the opportunity. And I know they're not man I can.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna rob this dude, and he got gonna know anything.

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Speaker 1: That's just not in me. I'm not so sure a

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Speaker 1: lot of promoters had that same philosophy, though.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of and like I mentioned, the promoters

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Speaker 2: I just mentioned have never laced up the gloves, so

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Speaker 2: they don't understand, they don't live it.

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Speaker 1: This concludes the first half of my conversation. Part two

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Speaker 1: is also posted and you can access it to whichever

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Speaker 1: podcast platform you just listen to part one on. Just

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Speaker 1: simply go back to Club Shay profile and I'll see

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Speaker 1: you there.