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Speaker 1: We're live. We're live here we are.

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Speaker 2: We are in the T Mobile Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada.

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Speaker 2: Hi everyone, It's time for the Canelo versus Charlo Official

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Speaker 2: Morning Combat Post Fight Show.

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Speaker 1: How are you? My name is Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 2: I'm nearly one half of your hosting duo here for

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Speaker 2: Morning Combat. They can't pan the cameras. Brian Campbell is

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Speaker 2: directly over here to my left. He's gonna do CBS

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Speaker 2: Sports HQ and then he's gonna join us because old

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Speaker 2: Brian Campbell has a lot to answer for it, does

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Speaker 2: he not. He had predicted that it was gonna be

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Speaker 2: Jamel Charlow that was going to win.

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Speaker 1: Eh.

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Speaker 2: Eh, didn't go that way, did it.

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Speaker 1: No, it didn't.

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Speaker 2: Now you might be hearing some folks in the background.

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Speaker 2: That is the dulcet tones of Miguel Flores. There are

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Speaker 2: two more swing bouts from the preliminary card that they're

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Speaker 2: gonna air right. Oh, I'm not Actually, they're not gonna air.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna just have them right behind us, So you

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Speaker 2: might hear some of that as we get going. We'll

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Speaker 2: go for about thirty minutes or so, not the typical

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Speaker 2: hour we go for some of the other posts shows.

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Speaker 2: Let's get to the results right away, and then when

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Speaker 2: Brian Campbell joins us, we'll recap everything with him. Canelo

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Speaker 2: Alvarez absolutely dominates, and I do mean dominates, Jamel Charlo

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Speaker 2: dropping him, I believe in the seventh round. Let me

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Speaker 2: get the scorecards, if I may. I think Charlo won

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Speaker 2: one round on one of the judges' scorecards and then

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Speaker 2: two rounds on two of the others. Your scores are

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Speaker 2: as follows for the main event. Geth, I can hear you.

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Speaker 2: By the way, here we go. Scorecards for Canelo versus

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Speaker 2: Charlo one nineteen one oh eight, one eighteen one oh nine,

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Speaker 2: one eighteen one oh nine. Canelo wins via unanimous decision

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Speaker 2: and retains, of course, all four of the super middleweight

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Speaker 2: belts that he had moving into this contest. Folks, I

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Speaker 2: don't know if I would go so far as to

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Speaker 2: call this a mismatch. I don't think that's quite right.

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Speaker 2: Charlo was able to go the distance on occasion land

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Speaker 2: a decent punch on Canelo. As I mentioned, he maybe

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Speaker 2: one around or two depending on the scoring, but in

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Speaker 2: general was I will say, not a mismatched but very

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Speaker 2: overmatched ultimately in this contest, if I gave I can

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Speaker 2: still hear you, by the way, just real quick on that.

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Speaker 1: You get the idea.

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Speaker 2: So what happened Canelo had and I think operated in

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Speaker 2: this fight like he had a point to prove. He

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Speaker 2: was stalking Jermel Charlo basically from the word go. Took

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Speaker 2: his time a little bit in the first round, but

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Speaker 2: by the second round it was off to the races.

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Speaker 2: This is something that we had talked about in the preview.

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Speaker 2: This is something that we had noted on tape was

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Speaker 2: really going to be something that Jermal excuse to be

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Speaker 2: Dreaml Charlo might succumb to and was going to be

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Speaker 2: a big part of how this fight was going to

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Speaker 2: be adjudicated, namely the movement why because Charlo gets backed

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Speaker 2: up to.

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Speaker 1: The ropes relatively easily.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't just Tony Harrison who did it in two

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Speaker 2: fights or Brian Castano who did it in two fights.

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Speaker 1: Jason Rosario was able to do it too.

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Speaker 2: And Rosario was not really known as like a very clever,

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Speaker 2: He can do it a little bit, but it's not

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Speaker 2: really what he does. And even he was able to

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Speaker 2: back up Charlo all the way to the rope line. Now,

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Speaker 2: of course that was all the way back in twenty

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Speaker 2: the last fight against Castagno. That happened as well. He

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Speaker 2: like he was fighting Canello off the whole time. Canelo

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Speaker 2: would get up there and begin to just work his combos.

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Speaker 2: He was throwing his right to the left arm of Charlo. Whye,

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Speaker 2: because Charlo has a very devastating left hook, it wasn't

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Speaker 2: very useful in this particular fight. I think he landed

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Speaker 1: And then Canelo begins to build.

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Speaker 2: So if he's throwing to the arm, now he's throwing

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Speaker 2: then dropped him in the seventh with an absolutely fantastic

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Speaker 1: Canelo comes over.

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Speaker 2: The top with his right hand, and Charlo had a

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Speaker 1: He had his hands right here. That thing came through.

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Speaker 2: That punch from a Canelo came through like a tomahawk right.

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Speaker 2: In any case, he takes a knee, that's a ten

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Speaker 2: eight round and he just kind of cruised from there.

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Speaker 2: I thought Canello looked the best he's looked in quite

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Speaker 2: some time. He looks better than he did in the

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Speaker 2: John Ryder fight. I certainly think that Dremel Charlow is

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Speaker 2: the Bible one's different. It was one seventy five. You

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Speaker 1: The last three ish rounds.

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Speaker 2: Slowed down maybe a little bit, but not that bad scored,

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Speaker 2: So got to work early, even though he's sort of

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Speaker 1: And he just didn't. He couldn't. There was nothing for it.

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Speaker 2: Canelo and his team, this is something that they're very

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Speaker 2: They knew that Charlo again, he has he has a

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Speaker 2: particular of Jermale Charlo taking away that left hook. That

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Speaker 2: Gonna win, what was he gonna The lateral movement, which

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Speaker 2: that landed the better uppercuts, it was Canelo. Canelo just blasting.

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Speaker 2: As I indicated, Charlo with an upper cut in the

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Speaker 2: second half of that fight that reminded me exactly of

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Speaker 2: and he just never could. He just never did. That

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Speaker 1: Never happened.

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Speaker 2: Charlo was never able to physically deter Canelo from what

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Speaker 2: the bigger questions related to Charlo heading into this fight.

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Speaker 2: How was he going to navigate the two weight classes?

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Speaker 2: Canello looked much thicker. He looked naturally bigger, although his

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Speaker 2: they were on the inside, who was muscling who Who

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Speaker 1: It was Canelo. Canelo looked to.

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Speaker 2: Be like stronger on the inside, even though I think

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Speaker 2: Charlo said he had loomed up to like one seventy

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Speaker 2: Inside he looked strong Canelo did. So you're like, well,

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Speaker 2: how is Charlo going to manage that? He didn't look

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Speaker 2: It just didn't do him a lot of good in

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Speaker 2: no real great upside to it ultimately for Charlo in

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Speaker 2: terms of how he's going to navigate that. You already

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Speaker 2: up there time time again and again and again and again.

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Speaker 2: Charlo utterly unable to deter him. Couldn't get the left

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Speaker 1: Enough for a win? Anyway?

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Speaker 2: There just wasn't much. I do want to make one

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Speaker 1: Get the fuck out of here. He has to fight that.

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Speaker 2: His two guys had to fight Bud Crawford and Canelo Alvarez,

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Speaker 2: I still think Crawford would have won, still think Crawford

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Speaker 2: you can save the Derek James slander or the bare minimum,

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Speaker 2: you can more focus it around specific criticisms, around potentially

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Speaker 1: He must not be that good.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, guys, they had to fight Terrece Crawford

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Speaker 2: I'll say unthoughtful Derek James slander as we get going,

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Speaker 2: But I'll tell you know who's slander I will tolerate.

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Speaker 2: I will tolerate that Brian Campbell slander because he talked

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Speaker 1: Out of him?

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Speaker 2: Remember that? Remember that one? What was up with that

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Speaker 1: Gonna do that.

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Speaker 2: Oh they gotta they got video of him? Oh no,

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Speaker 2: they can't do it. Ah Dagger, Yeah, he's over there,

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Speaker 2: Look at this fool being like, Yo, guys, I'm sorry

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Speaker 2: I picked Charlo. I don't know what the fuck I'm

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Speaker 2: You know what I know about it? Fuck all, BC,

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Speaker 2: I've been watching boxing for five minutes. I got more

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Speaker 1: Huh? I can't wait for him to sit down. I'm

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Speaker 2: I will say this before he comes back, because we'll

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Speaker 1: Boy, how about the scoring and that?

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Speaker 2: Ericson Lubin Hasus Ramos fight huh one seventeen one eleven,

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Speaker 2: ericson Lubin, I'm sorry, what the fuck were you watching?

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Speaker 1: it wasn't anything. Hey, hey, where's.

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Speaker 2: The guy that picked Charlow that I host the podcast with?

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Speaker 1: Is he available?

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Speaker 2: Here he comes? Brian Campbell is now finished. Hey, are

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Speaker 2: you the guy that picked Charlow? Can you have this

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Speaker 2: hit more things? What landed more punches? That lamp on

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Speaker 2: might be the lamp. Hey, what happened with that? Charlo Predictions?

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Speaker 2: Could be a professional show?

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Speaker 4: Or what is becoming the I meant Luke Thomas production.

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Speaker 4: Let's be honest right off front, and thank you for

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Speaker 4: I was finishing up the news hit with our folks

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Speaker 4: But Jermel it wasn't so much couldn't get off, it

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Speaker 4: Triple G, Serge covelev On and on.

435
00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:10,480
Speaker 3: Disappointing in that.

436
00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:12,920
Speaker 4: Regard because I felt like this could have turned into

437
00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,520
Speaker 4: an interesting fight in the second half. But to see

438
00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,919
Speaker 4: Charlo be so timid and really overwhelmed, overwhelmed by the

439
00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:20,920
Speaker 4: moment in the first half. And if you're going to

440
00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,520
Speaker 4: be overwhelmed by the moment early, it's going to be

441
00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,760
Speaker 4: harder to rally when your all time great opponent across

442
00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:30,400
Speaker 4: from you quickly answers any question as to whether ad

443
00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,760
Speaker 4: or decline will be in this It was not part

444
00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:33,320
Speaker 4: of the equation.

445
00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:34,720
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, Luke on the.

446
00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,280
Speaker 4: Flip side, this wasn't the best version of Charlotte, So

447
00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:38,400
Speaker 4: you know there was some form.

448
00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,440
Speaker 3: Of a disconnect. You heard his corner and the second.

449
00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,520
Speaker 4: Half, you know, got out for him, pleading for him

450
00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:44,400
Speaker 4: to start something, do something.

451
00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:45,640
Speaker 3: And again, while he.

452
00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,800
Speaker 4: Had a couple offensive stretches with combinations in that second

453
00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,720
Speaker 4: half where you say, hey, maybe you can build on it,

454
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:53,360
Speaker 4: it's hard to build on that when you're down seven

455
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,200
Speaker 4: rounds to zero, when you're down to eight rounds to zero,

456
00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,560
Speaker 4: and obviously that seventh round knockdown just an absolute beautiful

457
00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:02,280
Speaker 4: shot from Canelo to that right hand in between the guard. Uh,

458
00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,040
Speaker 4: you can't spend that much time with your backings the

459
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:04,840
Speaker 4: ropes either.

460
00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:06,240
Speaker 3: That's the thing. I thought.

461
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,399
Speaker 4: The speed and the sting of Charlo shots could not

462
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,400
Speaker 4: discipline Canelo, but could basically say, hey, you're not gonna

463
00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,320
Speaker 4: overwhelm me. You're not gonna You're not gonna walk me down.

464
00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:15,879
Speaker 4: He walked him down with these walking down.

465
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:16,680
Speaker 2: With the I mean, this is the part that I

466
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:18,359
Speaker 2: thought was kind of interesting. We had talked about it.

467
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,040
Speaker 2: I did a whole preview for it, which kind of

468
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,440
Speaker 2: taked out, which which which you know, made me sad.

469
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 1: But the reality is, if we.

470
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,200
Speaker 4: Can get past your emotional status for a second, well there's.

471
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,000
Speaker 1: Also jubilation at your failure here.

472
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,119
Speaker 2: But nevertheless, if I could just be serious, I thought, okay,

473
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,000
Speaker 2: if if Harrison were gonna was gonna do it, and

474
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:37,760
Speaker 2: Kastarana were gonna do it, but they were a little

475
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,640
Speaker 2: bit reckless with marching down, then you thought, well, maybe

476
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:44,119
Speaker 2: Canelo will be somewhat reserved. But Cannelo's posture from the

477
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,240
Speaker 2: word go b C from the not the opening bell,

478
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 2: but the second round on he was just almost running

479
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:54,360
Speaker 2: across the rim to establish it, and Charlo gave all

480
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:58,200
Speaker 2: of that distance away. Guys, if you're not pumping your jab,

481
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 2: if your opponent is punching you arm for your bet

482
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,400
Speaker 2: which is your best punch, you know, the left hook,

483
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 2: and you're giving up the space in the real estate,

484
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 2: so your back is along the ropes basically the entire fight.

485
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 1: How is that a winning strategy? You're just not gonna

486
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:14,200
Speaker 1: win that way now, Now.

487
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 4: Do you think in hindsight here we couldn't get inside

488
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,719
Speaker 4: the minds of Derek James or Charlo or obviously am

489
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 4: I not just not gonna be able to remember Juwan

490
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:22,680
Speaker 4: Guzman's name of this entire week?

491
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:23,680
Speaker 3: I just got it right there.

492
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,760
Speaker 4: Do you think the strategy was to wait on Charlo

493
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:28,919
Speaker 4: because when you're I mean to wait on Canelo. And

494
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,200
Speaker 4: the problem with that is Canelo will do that because

495
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 4: he'll he'll take the computer, take the snapshot, he'll give

496
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 4: you a couple rounds sometimes to figure you out.

497
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 3: Yet it was team Charlo.

498
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 4: That's just like now we'll give the round back to

499
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,120
Speaker 4: you to to just basically take.

500
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 3: They had to be assuming he would fade late.

501
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,439
Speaker 1: I think that when here's what I believe.

502
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 2: I believe that when they faced off, when even if

503
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,120
Speaker 2: he felt he was gonna be under pressure Charlo and Canelo,

504
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 2: that when he looked across from Canelo, he was going

505
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,919
Speaker 2: to see more openings and be able to land with

506
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 2: more authority than what actually happened. Canel, I think you

507
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 2: know he would come with a high guard, but dude, Canelo,

508
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 2: it gives a lot of looks that all look the same,

509
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 2: and then the punches that come afterwards they're all different.

510
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 2: And Charlo got to a point because to your point,

511
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 2: he didn't start early enough, very quickly. By the third round,

512
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,919
Speaker 2: you could see Charlo not knowing what punches are coming

513
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 2: from the same setup because now he's getting confused. So

514
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:27,919
Speaker 2: between the retreating and the somewhat reserved posture, it just

515
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 2: gave Canelo all of the oxygen he needed to get

516
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,440
Speaker 2: off to the strong start and then continue downhill there out.

517
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 4: And that plays into an argument you had and I

518
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 4: had head of this fight where I basically said, he's

519
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 4: got to be on his wheels with the jab, making

520
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 4: Canelo chase, because your only chance to beat Canelo for

521
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 4: the most part unless he's old and fading late, and

522
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 4: you can somehow stop him and no one's even dropped him.

523
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 4: Is to try to win more rounds with him, and

524
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 4: I know nobody beats him by decision, especially in Vegas,

525
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,679
Speaker 4: not consistently, not typically. But when we saw Charlo by

526
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 4: round three realizing he's not here to box. If you're

527
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 4: not here to box against the bigger man, the bigger puncher,

528
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 4: then you're not here to win rounds against him. You're

529
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 4: only here to try to set up some late surge

530
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 4: into Charlo's credit at one point fifty four. That late

531
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 4: surge brings works a lot, brings menacing power that he

532
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,679
Speaker 4: can change the the you know, the future of a

533
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 4: fight with one punch. He did that against Saracen, did

534
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 4: that with accumulated shots there against Castano. I'm disappointed in

535
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 4: that regard because that was my argument to you that

536
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 4: if he's not trying to be the boxer early, knowing

537
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,199
Speaker 4: inevitably Canelo will adjust and make it a fight that

538
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 4: he's not gonna win the fight. I mean, in what

539
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,719
Speaker 4: we saw, but I don't think you know, I can

540
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 4: throw all of it on Charlo. Canelo does not give

541
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 4: you openings.

542
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 2: We should say on you, we should say Canelo had

543
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 2: a renewed vigor tonight that I think put Charlo in

544
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 2: that posture he ultimately assumed a little bit more quickly

545
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,120
Speaker 2: and a little bit more authoritatively than otherwise the one

546
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 2: he had against John Ryder would have sure for sure.

547
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 4: And I also think, you know, for Canelo, he's getting

548
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 4: in better shape, he's taking this more serious than a

549
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,879
Speaker 4: John Ryder. And then you saw that performance that he

550
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,640
Speaker 4: delivered right there at the end, I mean, just commanding.

551
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 2: Let me ask you, I we didn't talk about this yet,

552
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 2: what did you make of Canelo at the end being

553
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 2: like Sinkle to Mayo, I fucking love boxing.

554
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 1: Boxing is my life.

555
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 2: Like he theres, something was on the line for him

556
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 2: tonight about I think how he felt and how he felt.

557
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 1: About his place in the sports.

558
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 2: Sure, and it was about reclaiming a little bit of

559
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 2: that lost territory with some of these lackluster performances.

560
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 4: Because while we said, look, we said got you gotta

561
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 4: kind of trust Canelo because as a as a you know, look,

562
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 4: membership comes privileges. When you're the when you're the pop

563
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,640
Speaker 4: punk king, which he was up until about a year ago,

564
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,199
Speaker 4: and you are also boxing's biggest face. I mean you

565
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 4: have a certain level of wiggle room that other fighters don't.

566
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 4: Yet he's largely used his power to help boxing, to

567
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 4: help fans. So when he says, hey, guys, you know,

568
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 4: I agree, I haven't been at my best last three fights,

569
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 4: but I know why and I'll fix it, I felt

570
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 4: like we kind of had to believe him. But at

571
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,040
Speaker 4: the same time, it's like when he fixes that, he

572
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 4: had the motivation to do so, because I don't think

573
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 4: Canelo has liked that in this three fight stretch, which

574
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 4: was a close loss to Bevall in scoring at least,

575
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 4: and then obviously the two wide but whole home victories

576
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 4: that followed that, I don't think Canelo has enjoyed all

577
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,199
Speaker 4: the fanfare of that in Iowa. In a way, the

578
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 4: monster's been getting.

579
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 3: Where that Terrence Crawford, who by the ways, got a.

580
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: Great defeating great pop here tonight from the crowd.

581
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,880
Speaker 4: So I think the motivation was mixed between the idea

582
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 4: of Canelo saying, look, I know I had the loss

583
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 4: to to Bevall, and I know you guys maybe think

584
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 4: I'm old from those last two performances, but I'm still

585
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 4: in the debate of number one pound and would you

586
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 4: agree or disagree that that performance at least puts him

587
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 4: back in the conversation. Crawford won a new way too,

588
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 4: and that's hard to put a guy who just did

589
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 4: what a new ad did that too. But could you

590
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 4: argue that Canelo put himself back in that disc I

591
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 4: think that's the fervor and motivation that was in Canelo,

592
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 4: and that's the reason why he went to lake House.

593
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,120
Speaker 1: He fought fought a guy two weight classes below him.

594
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 4: No, I mean, but it wasn't the size that lost

595
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,040
Speaker 4: Charlo this fight. It was this a little bat a

596
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 4: little bit of stressed, a little bit.

597
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 2: A little bit. First of all, we haven't talked about it.

598
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,919
Speaker 2: I mentioned it before you got here. I do think

599
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 2: that the ring rust didn't help him. It didn't help him.

600
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 2: He denied it was a big factor on but then

601
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 2: he gets out of and says, I didn't feel like myself.

602
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: Dude.

603
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 2: That's the number one tailtale sign when a fighter says

604
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 2: I didn't feel like myself and they've been off for

605
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 2: a long time. Probably ring rust is the factor. That's

606
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 2: the first thing I'd like to say. And here's the

607
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 2: other part to BC. I think his power, Charlo's power

608
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 2: at one sixty eight was probably fine, right, I don't

609
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 2: think it was bad.

610
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 4: I mean, he put together combos in little moments in

611
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 4: that second half that any other fighter may have shaken or.

612
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 2: Fair, and it's hard, it's hard to know how big

613
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 2: they are because Kenelo's got one of the most rock

614
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 2: gins you've ever seen in your life. But nevertheless, I

615
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 2: agree that this was more of a skills issue than

616
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,959
Speaker 2: it was any other kind of weight issue, if if

617
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 2: we're measuring one or the other. But I don't think

618
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 2: that Charlow physically settled into one sixty eight all that great.

619
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 4: Well, here's what you have to ask yourself. There was

620
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 4: the perceived speed advantage. That look, if you're combining a

621
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 4: potential spe advantage with quick footwork and getting it not

622
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 4: with the jab like I thought he would do, it's

623
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 4: one thing he didn't. He either didn't use the speed

624
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 4: advantage or it wasn't as pronounced because he put the

625
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 4: muscle on. So to your point, you know, I think

626
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 4: a lot of people said, maybe he should come in

627
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 4: not one sixty seven point four same way as Canelo,

628
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 4: maybe come in closer to one to sixty and really

629
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 4: try to ride the speed. They ultimately it seemed Luke

630
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 4: chose to build on some mass on his body maybe

631
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 4: did not get physically overwhelmed. But y, you know, I

632
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 4: don't think that ultimately they put their best foot forward

633
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 4: in this. But also, and this is something Stephen Jackson

634
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 4: said to us during Friday's Way and Show.

635
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 3: He's also fighting a goat.

636
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 4: He's also fighting a motivated goat who really wanted to

637
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 4: come out, and like I said, proved to us that

638
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 4: he's still among the pomp for Palm Best. But I

639
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 4: do you like what he did? Knowing Crawford's ringside just said, Look,

640
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 4: I mean we stay the fword. He said, I'll fight

641
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 4: fucking anybody like like you just you know whatever.

642
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 2: Okay, who should he fight next? No, no, no, I don't

643
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 2: give me this bullshit about what could happen. Who should

644
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 2: he fight next? There's two names that he should fight next.

645
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,479
Speaker 2: One Bud Crawford to David Benavitez. Don't want to hear

646
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 2: anybody else's name. Okay, don't want to hear anybody else's name.

647
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 4: Crawford is a unique, insanely appetizing just dream Super video

648
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 4: Game fight. But because Charlo, as you heard, also called

649
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 4: out Crawford saying that he's going to come back down

650
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 4: full time to one fifty four. The elephant in the

651
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 4: room is that he's got my fighter all Spence first,

652
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 4: meaning meaning Crawford. So if Canelo is pushing off to

653
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 4: next May, yeah, let's do it.

654
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 3: The Mexican Monster. Yep, David Benavitez.

655
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 4: I know Benavidez appears to be headed toward to Demitrius

656
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 4: andraid shot later this year. That seems to be the rumors.

657
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 4: But here's the thing he's calming, do you want to wait?

658
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 4: Do you want to wait till he gets older and

659
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 4: more experienced. If you're Canelo, you might have.

660
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 3: To do that fight.

661
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: You got to do that one now.

662
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 4: Because I get like, you know, even when Canelo was

663
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 4: flour with a second bev All fight, which is such

664
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 4: a level of daring to be great that normally we'd

665
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 4: be like, man, like, you can do whatever you want

666
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 4: if you're going in that direction, or even when Canela

667
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 4: was flirting with the idea of moving up to cruiserweight

668
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 4: to maybe chase the title there, it's hard to say, man,

669
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 4: you're ducking You're duck in Benavidez.

670
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 3: But Benavitez just established himself earlier.

671
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 4: This year on the pay per view level against Caleb

672
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,719
Speaker 4: Planet dominant victory in the end. If you can do

673
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 4: the same against Andred, if they make this fight, it's

674
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 4: just like, but what name?

675
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: I understanding who he should be fighting?

676
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 3: What's up MK fans in the house, But Luke.

677
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 4: The whole point on this is like, I don't think

678
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 4: in the in the court of public opinion, even with

679
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 4: as dominant and incredible as this performance was and where

680
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 4: we were, still we are still saying he has pump

681
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 4: for pound. If it's not Crawford and it's not Benavidez,

682
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 4: you're going to really start hearing it from the Benavida side.

683
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 4: That's like you're on the same side of the line.

684
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 4: Like business wise, TV wise.

685
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: Got two more fights with PBC.

686
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 4: It may be time to do that because would you

687
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,239
Speaker 4: agree and I'm gonna ask your real opinion here that

688
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 4: Jermal's performance canceled a need for Jermal should he come back.

689
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 4: He is supposed to have a come back fight later

690
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:07,719
Speaker 4: this year, should he put himself in there.

691
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 2: I want to be I want to be careful about

692
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 2: what I say because I don't want folks to look

693
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 2: at this performance from Dreml and think, oh, Jermal Stock

694
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 2: has dropped in a dramatic way in all ways.

695
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 3: He dared to be great. Let's let's put some respect.

696
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 2: But what I am gonna say is this was a

697
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 2: lifeless enough of a performance. Lifeless isn't quite the strong word.

698
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 2: This was way timid of a performance. I think to

699
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 2: help his stock, or to capture the imagination of Bud Crawford,

700
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 2: if the Canelo Alvarez opportunity really is there, let's get

701
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 2: a choice between them, like the Crawford versus Charles sweepstakes.

702
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 2: Have I think plummeted in terms of interest after a

703
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 2: contest like this. And Jamal certainly the bigger of the two,

704
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 2: but he's got plenty of questions. We've always said, like

705
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 2: part of the reason we wanted Dreamal and not Jamal

706
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 2: in this bout is because he's the more skilled of

707
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 2: the two. Well, if he's the more skilled of the two,

708
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 2: what would be the argument for Jamal?

709
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: What do they got? What do we got?

710
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 4: Here's a tweet I keep more Mal a great producer

711
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 4: at CBO Sports.

712
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 3: Just hit me up.

713
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 4: Terrence Crawford has tweeted at twin Charlow, which is Jamel.

714
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 3: Oh God, here's the quote.

715
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 4: You went out sad, didn't even try to win. All

716
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 4: you did was try to survive.

717
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 3: You should be ashamed of you. End quote. That is

718
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 3: some cold ass direct she at from Bud Crawford.

719
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: But feeling it right now.

720
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 3: I mean rightfull because you see his dress shirt that

721
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 3: he had on the red carpet.

722
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: It was like seven amazing shirts all put you.

723
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:32,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I always say, like Abden Bars has

724
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 4: three different haircuts in one like ecosystems. Terrence had the

725
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 4: same thing. All right, So luke to go back to

726
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 4: that topic. Terrence versus Canelo is a hell of the fight.

727
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 4: Is there any chance we could talk Errol Spence out

728
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 4: of this?

729
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 3: The need for this remat, I.

730
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: Don't think so. I think he wants it.

731
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 2: Unfortunately I don't have much interest in it, but that

732
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 2: doesn't mean he won't.

733
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 4: Would you be more interested? And what do you think

734
00:32:55,240 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 4: is better for the sport? Canelo versus Crawford, Canelo versus Benavite.

735
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 2: Canella Crawford better for the sport, But Canelo versus been

736
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 2: a Vida is better for the hardcore side of the sport,

737
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 2: and certainly for the Mexican fans who by the way,

738
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 2: there were plenty of them here tonight. Good lord, dude,

739
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 2: this has been like the entire month of September in

740
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 2: Las Vegas has been like Mexican celebration.

741
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 4: Did you see I got I got a mark here

742
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 4: from that thing falling on me?

743
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 3: You see that? Did you from that?

744
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: That? Or?

745
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 3: No? Sorry, head butted the light?

746
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 4: The lighting yesterday people, No one's talking about this that

747
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 4: during our live weigh and.

748
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: Ship just fell on me.

749
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 4: Something fell and to hit you right in the crushed

750
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 4: by like an inch.

751
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, they could.

752
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 4: Have canceled your future fatherdom, your future sire ability.

753
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 2: I would have been been like three needles, right, I

754
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 2: would have needed a sire for hire.

755
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 3: Okay, sire to me, I had the thing.

756
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 2: You think, I want to put your genetics into my

757
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 2: family's bloodline.

758
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 3: Back to genetics of boxing.

759
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, like bud Croft versus Kinda would be absurdly special.

760
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 4: You only have certain windows to make fights like this,

761
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 4: to really to make two Hall of Famers, two all

762
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 4: time grades that are operating in much wider divisions separate

763
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 4: from each other, that are willing to come together, and

764
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 4: the boxing public would embrace it.

765
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 3: It would have so.

766
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 4: Much meaning in the pompond Race of the moment of

767
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 4: this era.

768
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 3: And oh, by the way, don't forget who said it.

769
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 4: This guy may have gotten it wrong about the what

770
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 4: what Jermel Charlotte was going to bring to this fight.

771
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 4: Maybe it was wishful thinking for all ow chaos in boxing,

772
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 4: but it was a wrong pick. But I did say

773
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 4: the day after Spence Crawford that Crawford is so good,

774
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 4: Luke that should he try to f around and go

775
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 4: off to six' eight against that big red man, I

776
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 4: wouldn't tell him not to, so, Luke Thomas from the Canelo,

777
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 4: the refined, refreshed Canelo that you saw this evening. What's

778
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 4: a what's a what's a betting line on Bud Conelo?

779
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 4: What's your early what would be your early feeling on that?

780
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 3: Give us something similar.

781
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 2: To what you got with here with Charlot In terms

782
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 2: of the betting line, I'd say probably a minus four

783
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 2: hundred or so.

784
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 3: Dude, it's Bud Crawford that we're talking about.

785
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 1: Canelo is much bigger. Yeah, minus four hundred. Yeah.

786
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 2: I would still not expect Crawford to win, but I

787
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 2: want to see him try because he appears to be

788
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 2: able to do the impossible.

789
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 4: And what do you think about Crawford's uh, what do

790
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 4: you think about the surface level of Crawford's trash talk

791
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 4: to Charlo?

792
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 2: You know, it's I mean, it's not even great trash talk.

793
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 2: It's just mean, it's just directing. You know, your parents

794
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 2: don't even love you. It's like, goddamn dude.

795
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 4: But but in terms of what he's trying to say,

796
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 4: what he's trying to say is if I have these

797
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 4: huge options for these big fights, why.

798
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 3: We're already there, We're already there?

799
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: Are we already there? Oh my god, turn this. I

800
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: have to do it.

801
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 3: I mean you pop the team? Uh yeah, all right,

802
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 3: I guess we'll do the full.

803
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: Hey, Brian, what's your prediction for the fight? Yeah? Oh great, big,

804
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 1: great big. And that's your best prediction yet?

805
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah.

806
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, No, I picked I picked divorce Cloud to

807
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 4: knock out Bernard Hopkins ones.

808
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 3: That's that's that has lived in it.

809
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: Hey, does this one cancel out the Woodley overtail? You

810
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: piece of shit?

811
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 3: Hey?

812
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 4: There are two people on this earth that knew that

813
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 4: Angana and you hackled me. There was also one. There's

814
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 4: also one person on this earth that knew that we

815
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 4: could beat Rogan and Ariel on a podcast.

816
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 1: That's true of voting, that's true.

817
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 2: You gave us no chance whatsoever, no chance real quickly

818
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 2: because I want.

819
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 1: To wrap up.

820
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 3: I was actually I was already somewhere, but we just.

821
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: Who gives a shit?

822
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 2: Yeah we left Heyesus Ramos, and ericson Lubin some of

823
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 2: the worst fucking scorecards I've ever seen. One seventeen one eleven,

824
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 2: okay for ericson Lubin. Now, I will say this, Sir

825
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,760
Speaker 2: KR Stevenson and Caleb Plant were like, oh yeah, Lubin

826
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 2: won this fight, and then you look at the scoring.

827
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: You're like, dude, I don't think you want it even

828
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: by that margin.

829
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 4: No, okay, So here's the deal. I can't support nine

830
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 4: to three Lubin. I can't really even support a unanimous decision.

831
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 4: But the whole time, when I'm watching this fight live here,

832
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 4: reading media's scores online and seeing not only our colleague

833
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 4: Steve Farhood score and that was what he saw from

834
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 4: his vantage point, but also what the analysis was being

835
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 4: put forth from our showtime brethren, I thought that in general,

836
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 4: they were missing some of what ericson Lubin was doing.

837
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 4: I get that Jesus Ramos, by putting pressure and being

838
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 4: right in front of him, he took away the powerhand

839
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 4: of Lubin. This is a passive performance from Lubin, but

840
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 4: what Lubin did do, in my opinion a lot of

841
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 4: those middle rounds was still worked that job consistently and

842
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:28,280
Speaker 4: for as much success as Ramos had constantly cornering Lubin.

843
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 4: And I do agree with with al Bernstein sort of

844
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 4: saying like, why is Lubin so willing to constantly back up.

845
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: To the ropes.

846
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 3: Ramos was not overwhelming.

847
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 4: Him with shots body shots here and there, which was

848
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 4: a big part of his offense, but.

849
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 2: He would flurry against Lubin several times and a lot

850
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 2: of that got through.

851
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: And it's just hard for me to believe that guy.

852
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 4: Look well, there was just a lot of slow paced rounds.

853
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 4: At the crowd booed the fight was not great. The

854
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 4: fight was not great.

855
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 3: And did Ramos take his foot off the guest in

856
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 3: the final?

857
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: Yes, he did so.

858
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 3: I basically had more rounds.

859
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: It was the De la Hoya versus Trinidad, bit I.

860
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 4: Basically had more rounds scored for him in the earth

861
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 4: early part of the round than anyone else seemed to do.

862
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 4: But I thought some of those early rounds again were

863
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 4: just so passive. Where what I've taken more of Lubin's

864
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 4: jab backing up, catching Ramos coming in, and yes I did so.

865
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 4: The key for Ramos here, Luke is it's it's bad

866
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 4: luck in a way. Basically, I thought it could have

867
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 4: been seven five either way. It's really what I'm saying here.

868
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 4: I would have lived with it a little bit if

869
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 4: we had gotten that.

870
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 2: But for Patricia Morse Jarman to be like, yeah, one seventeen,

871
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 2: one eleven, get the fuck out of here.

872
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I basically was. There was one round.

873
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 4: I just couldn't figure it out because it was a

874
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 4: shitty round. It was so even whichever way you go, really,

875
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 4: either guy could have gotten the lean there.

876
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 3: But it's a wake up called Ramos though, because first.

877
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: He didn't do it enough.

878
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 4: So look, he did discipline Lubin, but the jab was hitting,

879
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 4: The jab was accurate. You've got to put that statement on.

880
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 4: You've got to across the line when you have him

881
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 4: cornered against the ropes and light him up. There wasn't

882
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 4: enough of that there in a big spot.

883
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,760
Speaker 2: Mario Barrios getting the best win of his career, stopping

884
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 2: your Danny's Ugus.

885
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: And I want to just say this too.

886
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 2: I thought Barrios looked great getting back with Bob Santos,

887
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 2: was amazing.

888
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 3: His second fight of their comeback.

889
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,479
Speaker 2: You were talking about out Charlo not having a jab.

890
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 2: Barrios didn't have that problem. But I want to say this.

891
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: I.

892
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 2: It was a decision. Okay, they should have stopped that fight.

893
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 2: He didn't get finished, but they should have stopped that fight.

894
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 2: Because Ugas's eye, the same eye that Errol Spence destroyed,

895
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 2: it swelled up in this particular fight as well, which means.

896
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: It looks like it's a permanent.

897
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 3: Are you saying you Gus should finish? Is that what

898
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 3: you're saying?

899
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 2: I think that his career might be over, and I

900
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 2: mean that for his own health. I don't want to

901
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,240
Speaker 2: see that eye do that again.

902
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 4: Here's what I'll tell you about Barrios. Okay, Bob Santos

903
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 4: turned him back into a boxer. The Barrios that we'd

904
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 4: seen big balls as tech warrior for days, right, but

905
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 4: we'd see him on the highest level against Keith Thurman

906
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 4: and Tank Davis, and he fought admirably, but came up short,

907
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 4: specifically against Thurman. He was a one punch, out of

908
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 4: time guy, and I know he was making the transition

909
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 4: from forty to forty seven. But Santos brought back not

910
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 4: just the jab, but the combination, punching, the confidence.

911
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 3: The double triple jeb get out of there.

912
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 4: He never was standing in one spot long enough for

913
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 4: Ugus to really unload. And while Ugus like, I don't

914
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 4: want to be lost, what's what's lost in the In

915
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 4: the totality of the dominance was that Ugus was in

916
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 4: this fight in the middle, and that the middle rounds

917
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 4: were really fun.

918
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 3: There's a fun ass fight for Yeah.

919
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 4: Actually it was a good fight and they were trading evenly,

920
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 4: but I thought overall Barrios was getting the better of

921
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 4: him and Luke. This is a mature step up performance

922
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 4: because be honest with me, if Barrios had been outclassed

923
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 4: in this fight, what would be his reputation after this?

924
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,959
Speaker 2: A guy who gives good fighters good fights, but can't

925
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 2: beat him.

926
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 4: Right Max eft fort guy but just not good enough.

927
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 4: I think he opened up a new lane for himself,

928
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 4: and it's going back to some of the boxing beginnings.

929
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 4: Bob was originally his trainer Santos, then they kind of

930
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 4: parted ways.

931
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 3: Now we're back in this.

932
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: Secon he was what Virgil Hunter.

933
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,240
Speaker 4: Yes, in this second fight was definitely a step forward

934
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 4: because now I mean, could you see him fight in boots?

935
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 3: Could you see him fighting?

936
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it's tough.

937
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 3: You're not going to get cross it in there across

938
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 3: bigger business.

939
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 2: Boots they might do, but boots, I think works him

940
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 2: over like a summer job. Nevertheless, great win for Mario

941
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 2: Bodrios loved that. And then also at the opening about

942
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,760
Speaker 2: Elijah Garcia was that was like a mini war. Fucking

943
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 2: great fight against Atamando Racends. And the best part was

944
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 2: the final combination BC. He goes left hook to the body,

945
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:11,399
Speaker 2: which gets Raycendis to scrunch over. He goes right hook

946
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,720
Speaker 2: to the body and then doubles it up so Assends

947
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 2: is elevating his own posture. He goes right into the

948
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 2: other hook sits him down, polishes him off thereafter.

949
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: What a phenomenal, phenomenal combination.

950
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 4: What about the twenty year old though, yeah, hit a lot,

951
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 4: he did, and he was in there with a game guy.

952
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 3: Look great, the guy brought.

953
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 2: It racedes as you're telling me the accent is on

954
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 2: the second east, so it's Ray send these.

955
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 3: Did what your name get you downcins?

956
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:42,919
Speaker 1: Okay, we can end the show any point, all.

957
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 3: Right, can you play the fart noise again?

958
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: Oh?

959
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 3: Here's the point.

960
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 1: I don't mind if I do.

961
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 4: Elijah Garcia will be better from this. He's got to

962
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 4: shore up that defense though in close range a little bit.

963
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 4: But hey, that kid held held firm. He didn't in

964
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 4: fall apart. He got rocked a few times, he didn't

965
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:56,439
Speaker 4: fall apart.

966
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 3: All right, there we go.

967
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 4: By the way, Luke, I didn't say this in real time,

968
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 4: but my tolerance for your disgustingness is during during dinner tonight,

969
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 4: which was Luke and I trying to scarf down some quick,

970
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 4: you know, fast food over.

971
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 3: There before we started. Yes, you openly openly.

972
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 4: Shit your pants while while we were sitting next to

973
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 4: each other eating, which is gross enough, okay even for

974
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 4: a humor picked charloe. Then as you were getting up

975
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 4: and leaning forward, and this wasn't like to get me,

976
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 4: this is just your filth and motion, you let out

977
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 4: three disgusting verbs as you're bending up to pick up your.

978
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 3: Trust as I'm sitting there fighting a sandwich.

979
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: I definitely am guilty of the farting your lack.

980
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 4: Of self hygiene slash awareness among all others close to you.

981
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm aware your clothes. You don't think you're worthy

982
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: of anything.

983
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 4: You must have many Dutch oven victims in your house,

984
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 4: many many eat Remember, like I used to barbecue with

985
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 4: that guy in Cleveland. Who would have known he had

986
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,919
Speaker 4: all those women tie it up in basement? Like that's

987
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 4: definitely you right there.

988
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: But why don't you pick some more fights?

989
00:42:59,520 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 3: You know?

990
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 4: I did pic trolo by upset, and I have to

991
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 4: say I have to say, I have to say I'm

992
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:06,280
Speaker 4: little disappointed.

993
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,399
Speaker 1: It didn't go It could have gone better for him.

994
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: It could have gone better for.

995
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 4: All the lion fury that he has in the lower

996
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 4: waight class. Yeah, it just you know, it's like it's

997
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 4: like when when you're by the fire pit and it's

998
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 4: wet out and your wife's.

999
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 3: Like, don't don't burn the soggy ones.

1000
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,760
Speaker 4: Because you know, it brings all that smoke up and stuff,

1001
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 4: and you're trying to light that thing outside and it

1002
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 4: just won't light.

1003
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, he couldn't light the fire.

1004
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 2: I wasn't trying to light it that hard though, you know,

1005
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 2: he was just kind of he's trying, He's trying, not

1006
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 2: that hard. All right, Well let's wrap this up here,

1007
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:37,240
Speaker 2: so let's thank the entire Maulka crew, Luke and Gaff

1008
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 2: and Tristan and all the other serial killers that are here.

1009
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: Phil.

1010
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 2: They'll just I mean, they'll put on a great show

1011
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 2: and then stab you in the bathroom.

1012
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 4: I mean, Phil's got some crazy conspiracies that go well

1013
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 4: beyond Building seven.

1014
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: Just yeah, he's just another level.

1015
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 2: Thanks to the Showtime crew, of course, they're out here

1016
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 2: as well, thanks to Mikey morms are, a trepid producer

1017
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 2: from CBS Sports on the Ones and twos, And thanks

1018
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,040
Speaker 2: to all you folks. This week has been challenging for

1019
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 2: any number of different reasons. Uh, but we persevered, We

1020
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 2: finished it, and we'll be back on Monday.

1021
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 1: Right.

1022
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 3: I guess we are. We are paid to a peer.

1023
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 3: Are you all right with that?

1024
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 2: What do you how about Cedric Doombay a PFL getting

1025
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 2: a seven or I think it was officially a nine.

1026
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 3: Second but stamp Fair Tech's becoming the champ.

1027
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 4: Dude, Angela leie Rot, did you catch any New York

1028
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 4: New York Penn Station this week.

1029
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 3: I did hear you coughing a little bit?

1030
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 4: Uh.

1031
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 1: I think it's from the kind of weed I'm smoking.

1032
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: So are you good?

1033
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 3: You're coughing all the way to the coffin? Luke?

1034
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: All right, so like and subscribe. Thank you guys so

1035
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 1: much for watching Charlo.

1036
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 3: Guys, I did hold on.

1037
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 4: I mean, can we just like take a moment to

1038
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 4: think about that, Luke, I I picked Charlo.

1039
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:42,919
Speaker 1: Here's here's what I want to Here's what I wanted

1040
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: to say, Bundy.

1041
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 3: This up?

1042
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: There we go. So I did.

1043
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 4: Guys, You're gonna have to I mean, I'm gonna have

1044
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 4: to deal with that. I also picked Woodley over Till.

1045
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 4: But I did pick Charlo tonight. Do you what do

1046
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 4: you think Conelo would say about me if you found

1047
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 4: out that I picked Charlo?

1048
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 3: What do you call me? Cabrons?

1049
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. Here, let me put the soundtrack to

1050
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: this picture. Ready, here's here it is.

1051
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is what picking Charlo looks like on this

1052
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 4: pay per view night Undisputed versus.

1053
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,280
Speaker 1: All right, all right, that's Brian Campbell. I'm Luke Thomas.

1054
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 2: We're done here in morning, commat I'll see you guys

1055
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 2: on Monday entertaining. Thanks for being here all week. We

1056
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 2: appreciate you.

1057
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 1: Bye, guys,