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Speaker 1: hit it's straight cast, so bar up now. I was
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Speaker 1: they claiming that they rich to the bill, come to
Speaker 1: they accident or I got him, like they tell drawing
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Speaker 1: Is cocaine a whole new white to me? I see
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Speaker 1: come through. Welcome to Drink Champs, the production of The
Speaker 1: Black Effect and I Heart Radio and it's Drink chas
Speaker 1: motherfucking podcast. He's a legendary queen's rapper. He's like Green
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Speaker 1: What it should be? This is your boy and right
Speaker 1: what up is d J E f N and it
Speaker 1: is drink chance make some when when you talk about
Speaker 1: a man that got eight albums, been in the game,
Speaker 1: making hits after hits, his he got his own, his playlist,
Speaker 1: pop listening to his playlist, and she just keep going
Speaker 1: and just keep going because he just making world music
Speaker 1: and then writing music for others. We talk about songwriter, composer,
Speaker 1: all of that. Actor, he was even on a mass singer.
Speaker 1: I think she's wild out his motherfucker. This motherfuckers out
Speaker 1: there doing it, still making the still making baby, making music.
Speaker 1: He got he got a little bit stuck up in
Speaker 1: the pandemic and then he then the pandemic helped him
Speaker 1: fixes goddamn marriage like a man to post him In
Speaker 1: case you don't know who were talking about, you don't
Speaker 1: a matter one. The only I remember one time I've
Speaker 1: seen you at soho house. This is right when you
Speaker 1: was going through the break up. I knew nothing. I
Speaker 1: knew not the interview. I was like, oh no, I
Speaker 1: never seen you like that. Yeah, that might that might
Speaker 1: have been a bad I think I think I made
Speaker 1: the good. Was like, nah, but how how is that?
Speaker 1: Because um uh I was I was getting the world
Speaker 1: knew you was breaking up, but the pandemic actually helped
Speaker 1: you out. Yeah, man, so we um. But right before
Speaker 1: the pandemic was was when things was at his worst.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, just couldn't talk to
Speaker 1: each other, you know, like it's clearly beef. But I'm
Speaker 1: on tour, I see you win three weeks, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, that type of thing. So when the
Speaker 1: pandemic hit and everybody had to go home, it kind
Speaker 1: of forced us to sit in each other's face and
Speaker 1: talk about the stuff that we had that we just
Speaker 1: wasn't talking. No, we mean, it wasn't. So when the
Speaker 1: pandemic hit, there was a multitude of places that I
Speaker 1: could have went, but my in the beginning, they wasn't
Speaker 1: really telling us nothing. So I'm like, listen, Cats is dying.
Speaker 1: And when we got to go home and the NBA
Speaker 1: has shut down already, I'm gonna go to my house
Speaker 1: house I'm gonna go where I know my kids is
Speaker 1: at when my why I know my mama at where
Speaker 1: I know my you know, my wife don't like me
Speaker 1: right now, But it's alright, because if we're gonna die,
Speaker 1: we're gonna figure it out. Yeah, it was, it was.
Speaker 1: It was that that was the thought process. It's pretty harsh.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, really had to confront yeah, talk, I mean,
Speaker 1: and it was. It was scary because you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think the whole concept of the pandemic and just
Speaker 1: just you know, people was dying every week and all that.
Speaker 1: I definitely feel like that helped us really go, like, listen,
Speaker 1: people say life is short all the time, but it's
Speaker 1: in our face now we might want to just go
Speaker 1: ahead and figure out if get right whatever it is
Speaker 1: we need to get right, you know, just just just
Speaker 1: in case, just in case, because life is short, let's
Speaker 1: let's figure it out now. I heard you say somewhere
Speaker 1: that you said, uh you said, he was like, yo, man,
Speaker 1: if this album doesn't do well, I wouldn't lose no sleep. Nope.
Speaker 1: Is that is that? Is that the time when when
Speaker 1: you think like that, is it time to hang it up? Okay?
Speaker 1: Not at all. No. So so here's the thing. My
Speaker 1: my definition of success has changed a little bit over
Speaker 1: the years. Like I did them, I got, I got
Speaker 1: the money, I got the fame and recognition, I got
Speaker 1: the accolades, I got grand mus I got all that.
Speaker 1: So like now and now, my my definition of success
Speaker 1: is like you know, people using my music for their
Speaker 1: first dance as they marriage at their wedding, or or
Speaker 1: you know, uh yeah, I got three kids because of
Speaker 1: your music, or what I'm sorry your congratulations. One of
Speaker 1: the two are so so now it's it's like I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not just I'm not out here on from
Speaker 1: oh man, I hope, I hope I sell a trillion
Speaker 1: records like if I mean, don't get me wrong, nobody
Speaker 1: wants they product to not do well. But if it
Speaker 1: don't do well, my kids are still gonna eat. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. My house ain't going nowhere. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be right, I'm gonna be right. So so
Speaker 1: at this point, I'm having fun with the music. So no,
Speaker 1: it's the exact opposite. It's not time to not time
Speaker 1: to it up. At this point, I'm I'm enjoying myself
Speaker 1: with this. I'm not letting the the pressure of oh,
Speaker 1: we gotta do so well. I'm not letting that bother me. Man, Like,
Speaker 1: if if I'm doing what makes sense to me, I'm
Speaker 1: doing what feels good to me, and I'm rocking with
Speaker 1: like minded people. And if you don't dig what I'm doing,
Speaker 1: there's so many other options for you, Like you can
Speaker 1: go anywhere. You know, I'm rocking with the Fox is
Speaker 1: rocking with me. Okay, do you do you want some rock?
Speaker 1: H come? Because because you know why, um, you know
Speaker 1: the fans critiqued us when when we didn't give them
Speaker 1: the drink because yeah, if they brought their own bottles, Yeah,
Speaker 1: drink Champs. I'm kind of what's the lady actually gonna
Speaker 1: for the drink? Because we fired Mr. Yeah, we used
Speaker 1: to only have a bottom boy, Jack Bottom. Can the
Speaker 1: bottom boy get their us? What's I go with the
Speaker 1: regular drink? Regular rock? Yeah? Blue Die, Yeah, we upgraded that.
Speaker 1: We we we've got RB nigger head. We can't having
Speaker 1: no dudes for him, No goddamn drink than you're going straight.
Speaker 1: You're going straight? Now? Give me Ginger? Okay, alright, Ginger, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's a unique one. You drink vodka and ginger. Ain't
Speaker 1: gonna lie. Listening to your records, just going through and
Speaker 1: preparing for this. I saw what he was gonna drink.
Speaker 1: Jack Daniels, Jack Danner, how did you get that? I
Speaker 1: don't know what I mentioned you writing music? Slip? You
Speaker 1: cave me slipping, I sweeping, came in slippers and I
Speaker 1: been to you with like a big cue and just
Speaker 1: sitting there just right. Yeah, I mean that's that's a
Speaker 1: flop picture. Yeah, okay, you might have to take a
Speaker 1: photograph like I'm abouta dude. Man, honestly, can't really drink
Speaker 1: much else like wee tequila. We we ain't friends. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm killer at all bad. Yeah, and then call yourself
Speaker 1: with Japanese DELI on that's a killer. It's okay, I've
Speaker 1: never had that. You never had. You're experious today by
Speaker 1: eight pieces, you're getting prepared because we're gonna come right. Okay,
Speaker 1: but alright, so not you're not a Jack James guy.
Speaker 1: Not not a come yet guy. I mean I can
Speaker 1: make me mad. I don't know, it's weird if you
Speaker 1: if you drinking, I'm like, all right, he's gonna he's
Speaker 1: gonna start some ship indeed, Yeah, especially Hennessey. But it's
Speaker 1: great space. You already know how I feel about that.
Speaker 1: You don't drink rare occasions that I drink? Did I drink? Coming?
Speaker 1: Could have do? I definitely like do se, but I
Speaker 1: just can't drink a lot of it because I'd be
Speaker 1: ready to fight. And none of my people ever let
Speaker 1: me fight. And I get even matter because they won't
Speaker 1: let me fight. No, we don't want to see Neo fight.
Speaker 1: Some white want to see Neo fight unless it's like
Speaker 1: get another R and B dude, and we want to
Speaker 1: see like we want. We want you to push each
Speaker 1: other like you hit me, because don't you don't want
Speaker 1: to see you make it great? You make great music?
Speaker 1: And what what what makes you? What makes you stay
Speaker 1: stay doing it? Like you said you got the one?
Speaker 1: You got everything? Um does an artist always be making
Speaker 1: an artist all? I mean, I can't speak for nobody else,
Speaker 1: but I do this because I love it like I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't get into the game to be rich and
Speaker 1: famous and all of that, like I mean, those things
Speaker 1: are French benefit cool. But I got into this because
Speaker 1: somebody told me that I can make a living doing
Speaker 1: some ship that I was just gonna do anyway. Like
Speaker 1: I literally I have a studio in my crib. If
Speaker 1: you can't find me, that's where I'm at. Like I
Speaker 1: don't need to, I don't. I don't do it for
Speaker 1: that for that reason. So that's the thing that keeps
Speaker 1: me going, just just a genuine love for the craft.
Speaker 1: Like I'll do music for free. Let me not say that,
Speaker 1: because something can come something stop getting right now, everybody,
Speaker 1: I gotta do it before and then you give us
Speaker 1: wonder no man, because man, the the level of of
Speaker 1: substance in your music, that the it's just remarkable, like
Speaker 1: I and and for you to be so successful and
Speaker 1: can still tap into that area is that's that's like
Speaker 1: how do you do that? Because I'm not defined by
Speaker 1: my success? Like that's not what that will free you? Yeah? Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I mean there's there's definitely a point in your career
Speaker 1: where all right, you have to top of your game
Speaker 1: and and and everybody you know, everybody's favorite, and everybody's
Speaker 1: your best friend or long lost family member, whatever case
Speaker 1: may be. And there there's a point where if you're
Speaker 1: not careful, you could start smelling your own ship, you know,
Speaker 1: so you can start feeling like, wait, maybe I am
Speaker 1: that dude, right, but I've I've I thank God for
Speaker 1: my team because I've always had a type of people
Speaker 1: around me that that was gonna let me know, like, hey,
Speaker 1: if that ain't it, yo, Neil, that ain't it you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like that's that's the kind of
Speaker 1: folks that I keep around me. I don't have no
Speaker 1: yes men. I can't do that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I need people arond me that I know are looking
Speaker 1: out for me, and that that's the kind of cast
Speaker 1: that I wrote with so being them. And then on
Speaker 1: top of that, I'm just not that dude, Like I've
Speaker 1: always been the kind of cat that wanted what I
Speaker 1: was doing to speak for itself, Like I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't got to sit here and bragg on what I've done.
Speaker 1: Push play that's me right? So um, because because you
Speaker 1: did like a versus But yeah, but we did it
Speaker 1: when it was like you know, in the pandemic. We
Speaker 1: I mean, we did what we had to do at
Speaker 1: the time, so it wasn't that yet. And if you
Speaker 1: were doing over what you should, who would you want
Speaker 1: to do against Because I was honestly going to ask y'all.
Speaker 1: That because I've been talking to the versus people because
Speaker 1: I told him I'm down to do it. They want
Speaker 1: me to do it, like who, and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't know Chris Brown. Now, I see, I was on
Speaker 1: an impression that the world wanted to see Chris and
Speaker 1: I should go at it. So you and dream, Okay,
Speaker 1: you're kind of like j Z both for y'all. From
Speaker 1: a songwriter standpoint, I feel like that would be a
Speaker 1: really dope versus You need to relax. No, no, I
Speaker 1: gotta love about be shot about you. But come on,
Speaker 1: it'll be I mean, it would have to make sense, man,
Speaker 1: I mean mind. So it's twenty records, you know, records.
Speaker 1: So as long as the cat got twenty records, we
Speaker 1: can rack out. But tony records versus twenty hits, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be difficult for anybody, you know what I mean? Hey, listen,
Speaker 1: my flex is like it's it's minimal, you know, like
Speaker 1: the machine off. It's minimal, like the machine up. Holy,
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie though you ain't bullshit And though
Speaker 1: I went to your catalog said, damn, can you miss
Speaker 1: we've been moving? Can you something you don't work please Jesus,
Speaker 1: can you be you moving? Man? Man, I'm like, damn
Speaker 1: after then at that and you know, um, what's the
Speaker 1: record with Jeremy It was the name of You Love
Speaker 1: You Love shout out to the boy jam. Whenever I
Speaker 1: feel like my my wife is getting a little mad
Speaker 1: at me, I'm like, huh I put that on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I only want you. That's no, that's what
Speaker 1: it's flaying. Thank you for you so put out for
Speaker 1: real versus who who? I don't know that I like
Speaker 1: you and dream like that. I like you and dream
Speaker 1: somebody saying me and Trey one time? Yes a good No,
Speaker 1: I think that dose. I'm with whatever who smoke, let's go.
Speaker 1: And if Chris Brown don't do it, I think you
Speaker 1: and Chris I think I think you gotta be against them,
Speaker 1: the real R and B guys like these people you
Speaker 1: name it. Because now it's a performance. Now it's just
Speaker 1: not just it's just not just play. Yeah, before it
Speaker 1: was remember Chris, me, Chris and USh altogether. That would
Speaker 1: be good. That would did a crazy concert. Did you
Speaker 1: see um the Marion? I was there, I was I
Speaker 1: was in the house. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you heard my
Speaker 1: boy ray Jack listen. Rey Ja is a marketing genius. Okay,
Speaker 1: bad mad at the film Hip Hope with him The
Speaker 1: next day he was acting like it wasn't bother with
Speaker 1: ke freaking because Yo, what the funk were you doing?
Speaker 1: Ray Jack? I kill you that. But as a vocalist,
Speaker 1: what did he do wrong? Um? Okay um everybody. So
Speaker 1: as a singer, you're gonna have good days, you're gonna
Speaker 1: have bad days, and you have to take care of
Speaker 1: your instrument, you know what I'm saying. So if you
Speaker 1: thinking and smoking and and you know, going wild and
Speaker 1: then grab the mic and get on stage, you're probably
Speaker 1: not gonna sound your best. It's just the reality of it.
Speaker 1: So I don't know what. I don't know what what
Speaker 1: Ray was doing prior to get on stage, but it
Speaker 1: was it was not taking care of the situation, you know,
Speaker 1: And and it's it's all good. It happens. Happens. I
Speaker 1: don't have some bad ones. I don't have some Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: he was off beat. It was off key. It happens.
Speaker 1: I don't never beat off key. I definitely had some
Speaker 1: some questions for somebody that don't know what was off
Speaker 1: key and off beat? Yeah, off key is if the
Speaker 1: if the key, if the key of the song is
Speaker 1: is here and you're singing over here, didn't you have
Speaker 1: your off key? Yeah? And that happens. That happens off
Speaker 1: beat is when you can't catch the the beat of
Speaker 1: the record. You know. What I'm saying is that that
Speaker 1: clap that goes everywhere but where everyone else is clapping
Speaker 1: at all, if everybody's here in your right. So you
Speaker 1: had some off key, yes, just never been off because
Speaker 1: your souls ain't gonna let you do. So, will not
Speaker 1: allow me to be off beat? And let it happened? Yes,
Speaker 1: my friend would let me be off meul with me
Speaker 1: like you. You really need friends. Yeah, you know sometimes
Speaker 1: you see. But you made the kind of slightly off
Speaker 1: beat thing fly like you made like you made you
Speaker 1: made that the thing. Okay, became a style. Okay. Now
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I'm feelings. You're trying to get your flowers.
Speaker 1: Baby doesn't look on them. But let's get you show
Speaker 1: every better. When I'm over there to him, I'm did
Speaker 1: we got good energy going on in here? God? Did
Speaker 1: I ask you? Are you smoking? Yeah? Man, let's go.
Speaker 1: That's a smoke chap right there, that's in your local
Speaker 1: dispensary in the California. Wait wait wait yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: organic paper, so it's no tobacco, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: God damnit, we got you. It's smokers. Now did you
Speaker 1: did you? Did you hear? Tank came on here and
Speaker 1: take sad He said, he said that black love it's
Speaker 1: more threatened than than black violence. Like they accept more
Speaker 1: black violence than they do black love. They said that
Speaker 1: black love's a threat. I thought that was very That's
Speaker 1: really I feel like. I feel like because you think
Speaker 1: about it, if we if we as black people was
Speaker 1: to ever was to ever at any point really come together,
Speaker 1: Come on, man, ain't it ain't nothing that we couldn't
Speaker 1: take over it and a' nothing that we couldn't accomplish it.
Speaker 1: The ain't nothing that we couldn't we we would run
Speaker 1: this if we ever decided to come together. But you know,
Speaker 1: we were crabs in the barrel we do that thing.
Speaker 1: It's unfortunate. I kind of I kind of I need.
Speaker 1: I need my folks to get to get their life
Speaker 1: together on that because it's like any city you go
Speaker 1: to in the world is trying to sound you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. They go to where they go the
Speaker 1: literal italy. You know what I'm saying, Like every other
Speaker 1: race doesn't, but us, it's just us. We need a
Speaker 1: little black town. But why not maybe that's the word,
Speaker 1: but maybe that little black we could find creative name.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying just the fact that they'll go somewhere,
Speaker 1: figure out how to get money and then tell their
Speaker 1: people and then they people come and then everybody's getting money.
Speaker 1: Like we don't do that. That's that's that's sad. You
Speaker 1: know what's sucked up when we do it. They call
Speaker 1: it rico. Wow, jeez, why Yeah, that wasn't a joke.
Speaker 1: It wasn't. I mean, it cut like one. But I
Speaker 1: just think about it was trying to do that. He
Speaker 1: was trying to put his people on and they actually
Speaker 1: flipped that on him to make that a bad thing.
Speaker 1: So maybe like sometimes damn if you do damn people don't.
Speaker 1: But listen, I mean, the odds is always against us.
Speaker 1: That ain't never not been true. However, if it was
Speaker 1: impossible for us to get there, there would be no
Speaker 1: black billionaires. There would be there. We wouldn't we wouldn't
Speaker 1: be in there if it wasn't possible possible for us
Speaker 1: to get in there. So it's about once we get
Speaker 1: in there, what we do when we're in there, that's
Speaker 1: what that's what's importing. Well, Neo, our show is about
Speaker 1: giving people the flowers. So we want to personally give
Speaker 1: you your flowers. You got, we got them ready, want
Speaker 1: to personal to give your flowers. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Snoop Dogg said it's better than when the Grammy because
Speaker 1: it's from his people. But you got Graham, come on now,
Speaker 1: so it might not be better for you now that
Speaker 1: you got Yeah, you know they you know they took
Speaker 1: time when they put your name on it. That's right,
Speaker 1: that's right. Somebody sat there life, that's right, goddamn it straight.
Speaker 1: That's why I appreciate it. Man. So the more to
Speaker 1: gram me have to wait to put this put to it.
Speaker 1: But um so what are you like more making the
Speaker 1: record or performing the record? Making the record straight away
Speaker 1: straight away? Um so, I'm forty two years old at
Speaker 1: this point, right, Uh, the knees don't be knee and
Speaker 1: like that. You keep it all the way with perform
Speaker 1: even I love to perform. I love you know just
Speaker 1: that that energy exchange that happens between the artists and
Speaker 1: the crowd. But I can write. If my knees decided
Speaker 1: to stop working on Mark, I can still write a song,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it's always going to
Speaker 1: be the writing for me, which is how you started. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was my first love. That was my first big break,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I got success as a
Speaker 1: writer before I got success as an artist. What was
Speaker 1: your first big break? Mario's You Should Let Me Love You?
Speaker 1: That was the first one. Yes, damn, I don't counting
Speaker 1: your pockets. Yeah, man, that got your deal. That got
Speaker 1: you your deal kind of kind of. I got my
Speaker 1: deal somewhat by accident. I mean I don't I don't
Speaker 1: believe an accident. Don't believe coincidences. All I know is
Speaker 1: we didn't walk into the Deaf Gym building that day
Speaker 1: with the hopes of leaving what the record did? We
Speaker 1: went in there that day so that my homeboy Sauce UH,
Speaker 1: amazing producer UH used to be the group something for
Speaker 1: the people like Early nine, you remember them. So we
Speaker 1: went to Deaf Jam that day so that he could
Speaker 1: reunite with an old friend of his from high school. Uh,
Speaker 1: little known to me at the time. That friend was
Speaker 1: Tina David at the time, was you know, David was
Speaker 1: a legend. David cover you and Chris. Yeah, absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 1: We went up there so that they could, you know,
Speaker 1: get there, you're not in it feels so good on
Speaker 1: um And by the time we left the building, I
Speaker 1: had performed for l. A. Reid and the whole nine
Speaker 1: and then yeah, we left for the record there, not
Speaker 1: for the record there. It was cool, It was cool.
Speaker 1: It was weird because it's like, you know, it's the
Speaker 1: whole situation was like you're looking for your keys. You
Speaker 1: can't find the damn keys to flip the whole house
Speaker 1: and down looking for these keys. You said, you know what,
Speaker 1: to hell with it, I'll find another way to get there.
Speaker 1: And then the ship's falling a lap. That's what it was.
Speaker 1: That's what it was because I so many different times
Speaker 1: that we, you know, trying to get a deal talking
Speaker 1: to this rep. That rep. Center songs over here, this,
Speaker 1: this is and everything is thanks for no thanks all right? Cool?
Speaker 1: So I said, you know what, I'm just right. It
Speaker 1: would just be right. It's my money over here anyway,
Speaker 1: I just write so we went and we went over there.
Speaker 1: I mean, we was in New York because we were
Speaker 1: shopping music around. We didn't go to Damn Jam on
Speaker 1: purpose because we had already went like two days prior.
Speaker 1: So on the way back to the hotel, he's like, yo,
Speaker 1: let me stop here quick and say, what's uping at home? Girl?
Speaker 1: I ain't seen it forever? All right? Cool? So you
Speaker 1: know they're doing that. I'm sitting in the corner waiting. Uh.
Speaker 1: He starts playing her some the music that. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: she looked at me. She goes, your does your music? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You wrote this? Yeah that you're singing too? Yeah? Can
Speaker 1: you dance a little bit? Yeah, Okay, let's turn the
Speaker 1: music up. She said, go for it. I'm like, what, no,
Speaker 1: mind you again. I'm just I'm well, I'm hungry, Like,
Speaker 1: can y'all pick this up so we can go eat
Speaker 1: Damn I'm hung already go I'm like, all right, y'all
Speaker 1: know in in Tina Davis's office. Yeah, so she turns
Speaker 1: your music up and she says back, like, go for it,
Speaker 1: stone face go oh ship, Well, I'm not gonna challenge me.
Speaker 1: So I got up. I'm performed before the whole not again,
Speaker 1: no response whatsoever. So I'm like, all right, this is
Speaker 1: a waste of time. As soon as I got finished,
Speaker 1: she said, hey, yeah, Mr Reed, I think I got
Speaker 1: somebody you should beat. And the rest of his root
Speaker 1: from there, the rest is history. Accidentally got a record
Speaker 1: there in the midst of you actively trying to shop
Speaker 1: this moment, you wasn't trying to shut not at all,
Speaker 1: not at all. And Read and l a Read he
Speaker 1: doesn't put on baby face all this Now? Is this
Speaker 1: surreal for you? Do you know who? L A Read? Is?
Speaker 1: Absolutely a matter of fact. When she got off the phone,
Speaker 1: I said, you said, Mr Read, that's that's that's She's like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're about to go meet him right now. Okay cool.
Speaker 1: So yeah it was. It was definitely a surreal situation. Um,
Speaker 1: you got in there, he says his first words to me,
Speaker 1: and so you're the next big thing. Huh, Like funk,
Speaker 1: what the fund is happening right now? Because the selling
Speaker 1: you or something else. So I performed for him, him
Speaker 1: and his tastemakers. It's him and like like nine other
Speaker 1: people in the room. Everybody. I feel like the Chinese
Speaker 1: woman was in there. There was definitely a Chinese woman
Speaker 1: in there. You don't come about Yeah, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about, Karen Karen kwak, God damn it. So
Speaker 1: the performer, performer, performer, I get done. He goes, all right,
Speaker 1: thank you very much. Can I talk to about people?
Speaker 1: Step outside. We sat outside in the lobby of his
Speaker 1: of his office for like an hour, like a solid hour,
Speaker 1: to the point I turned this offs like yeah, man,
Speaker 1: let's just go. Clearly they ain't interested. It wouldn't be
Speaker 1: taking this long. Let's just go. So as we're leaving,
Speaker 1: somebody pokes their head out the wind like, hey, um,
Speaker 1: what is your lawyer information? Because Mystery wants to give
Speaker 1: you a record deal? And it was it was like
Speaker 1: a I'm trying to find the words to explain how
Speaker 1: I was there, but I wasn't there, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It's like, this is this is not really
Speaker 1: this can't be really happening. You know how hard, how
Speaker 1: long we've been trying to make this happen, and and
Speaker 1: just on the on the humbug it happens. This can't
Speaker 1: be real now I'm gonna wake up in a minute.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was. It was a beautiful situation. Man,
Speaker 1: what's up you ain't got quick time, so I'm ready. Okay,
Speaker 1: cool cool, cool cool, Holy mo, get on my notes,
Speaker 1: Let me go on my notes. Okay, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: yes yes. So what are the writers? Were you inspired
Speaker 1: by that? Other song writers that I was inspired or
Speaker 1: any artists that you're inspired by? Um, well, you know
Speaker 1: what it's It's actually funny in that moment when I'm
Speaker 1: in Tina David's office and uh, she's asking me about
Speaker 1: the music I got finished performing. He was waiting to
Speaker 1: go in l A's office, and she said to me,
Speaker 1: is there any artists out there that kind of like
Speaker 1: keeps you on your toes? You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: somebody that you always check them for it just to
Speaker 1: you know, keeps you on your toes. And the second
Speaker 1: she said that, usher's yeah, video came on. Yeah that
Speaker 1: dude right there. She's like, interesting, I'm about to put
Speaker 1: you in front of the man and made him shit.
Speaker 1: It was it was yeah, it was right moment. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Holy moli GUACAMOLEI man, this is some good ship. This
Speaker 1: is some good ship, all right? Um play hard with
Speaker 1: David Gutta at a calm. Yeah. I don't know how
Speaker 1: to pronounce this ship. How how did how did they
Speaker 1: call you? How who called you? What was happening? How
Speaker 1: did you so? I? Um I did something with David
Speaker 1: Ghetto already and then um so okay, so the funny thing,
Speaker 1: damn can I even say this? Yeah? The music is
Speaker 1: all right? So that hook that work hard, play hard?
Speaker 1: That was supposed to be uh for the remix to
Speaker 1: with Wiz Khalifa's uh the WIRs Khalifa joint? Which one?
Speaker 1: He got a lot of joints. The wonder where the
Speaker 1: one way he says something about work hard, play hard
Speaker 1: on which one it would the record he probably don't
Speaker 1: even remember. He got to huh, you've been sucking up
Speaker 1: all down you ain't been well. It wasn't that record,
Speaker 1: but it was supposed to be the remix to to
Speaker 1: wis Wis Kalifa joint, and Uh I finished it and
Speaker 1: David get David was like, no, this is this is
Speaker 1: this is bigger than the remix. This is this is
Speaker 1: a record. So then he put uh put a con
Speaker 1: on it akin been a friend for a long time,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just the hommy Yeah, man, it was
Speaker 1: it was It was easy. David Gjenna is one of
Speaker 1: them cats. That before he became David Getta. He's just
Speaker 1: he's just a music dude. You know. Some of these
Speaker 1: cats that do it clearly for for the money and
Speaker 1: for the recognition of it. David ghett to do it
Speaker 1: because he loved music, you know. And and that's that
Speaker 1: was our initial connection. We've been cool ever since. Trying
Speaker 1: to sell you properly in Africa. He didn't, Yeah, but
Speaker 1: he didn't. He didn't do it like I'm trying to
Speaker 1: sell you something. He was like, he was like, this
Speaker 1: is cool, right, yeah, yeah, you should be a part
Speaker 1: of the Yea, he got me. What's the price? Man?
Speaker 1: You're going? Man? All right, I just want to say that. Man,
Speaker 1: I gotta gon do it Africa. That's just hard. That's
Speaker 1: just even if Yeah yeah Africa. Man, he's still building
Speaker 1: Wakando over there. Yea, I might ride. Oh man, Man,
Speaker 1: We've got a quick time of slim. Okay, this is
Speaker 1: a game. It's a game played with all the guests.
Speaker 1: All right, so we ask you do you are a
Speaker 1: b choice if you be politically to conrect and do
Speaker 1: you wanna uh not please the fifth? The fifth, then
Speaker 1: you gotta take a shot both and if you say
Speaker 1: neither you take a shot. But so it's pretty pretty
Speaker 1: much FO you want to take, you want to stick
Speaker 1: with the rock, We take the shots. We don't leave
Speaker 1: you the same. I'm gonna drink this Japanese whiskey. I
Speaker 1: mean streaming Japanese deadly. Y'all know what I'm saying. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You know. Yeah, I'm from Japan,
Speaker 1: you know, by the way. But yeah, smoke, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get mine, Juanna, I'm gonna get mine ready in
Speaker 1: the building. You're ready? Yeah? Why do I feel like
Speaker 1: you're about to give me in trouble? No? No, no,
Speaker 1: I mean you can't play and safe. We just drink
Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, you want to go first? You all right?
Speaker 1: Got it? Oh? This is good. It's a good you're
Speaker 1: drinking off top. Uh, Michael Jackson or Prince, I don't
Speaker 1: get my shot ready? Uh just take the shot, damn shot?
Speaker 1: What I got? Yeah? Leave him the bottom. Just kind
Speaker 1: of question a moment. Okay, you're drinking. Look that was
Speaker 1: either don't have to you can take half of that.
Speaker 1: You can take half. You might as well get your
Speaker 1: shot ready. You definitely don't have to pull that heaven
Speaker 1: because you're definitely you're not gonna do that. You definitely
Speaker 1: you definitely. UM have to be politically correct on this one.
Speaker 1: All right, let's go Beyonce or just take this up.
Speaker 1: Let take that off. Let me just hold o my god. Okay, wait,
Speaker 1: what's what's what's the question? Exactly? Whatever? It is? It
Speaker 1: musically being reality period your mind? Yeah, you just take
Speaker 1: literally correct. I can't. Yeah, I can't. I can Okay,
Speaker 1: don't you just do Yeah? Yeah, you gotta go crazy
Speaker 1: solottle kid. I feel like this game is fixed. Let
Speaker 1: me just say that I've been set up. Yes you have, sir.
Speaker 1: This is one I don't know, but it could go
Speaker 1: either way. Tupac or dmx A Tupac, Alicia Keys or
Speaker 1: Kadu sh uh uh okay note against Alicia. I love
Speaker 1: you to death. I love you. Don't don't don't think
Speaker 1: I'm hey, did you did you? Did you support Erica
Speaker 1: bardus incense? I did not. I don't think no married man,
Speaker 1: you have pussy instance, my wife loves you too. But
Speaker 1: like that, I don't even act likely notable. But the
Speaker 1: product is I did. I did, But because I think
Speaker 1: that's women empowerment. I believe in our house to smell
Speaker 1: like Erica. But I don't think so, sir, I don't
Speaker 1: think I think that's accurate. Uh, ice cube or iced tea, mhm,
Speaker 1: all of them. Respect for ice Cube, but I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say ice because he let me see call go booty
Speaker 1: one time. I'm sorry, said, what did you say, doesn't
Speaker 1: mean squeeze called booty ones like? Respectfully? Yes it was,
Speaker 1: it was respectfully. It was a Halloween party, right, And
Speaker 1: how does this work? You have grappy, wife's asked, I
Speaker 1: literally walked up to your mind. I had had a
Speaker 1: couple of drinks at this point. I walked up to
Speaker 1: him and I said, because she had on like she has.
Speaker 1: So I walked up to him and I was like, bro,
Speaker 1: all due respect, h I've wanted to squeeze Coco's asked
Speaker 1: for a really long time. And he said, you know what,
Speaker 1: and I'm just kind of pimp to let you do it.
Speaker 1: And he called over and he whispered something in her ear,
Speaker 1: and she looked at him and smiled, and it looked
Speaker 1: at me and smiled and turned around and bent the
Speaker 1: thing over and I grabbed as much of a handful
Speaker 1: as I could. He gave me a pound and we
Speaker 1: finished and we drinking hung out for its to night.
Speaker 1: That was that. I'm trying to figure out who's more
Speaker 1: gainst in the situation, him or cocoa or is it
Speaker 1: all It might just be a I'm taking a shot
Speaker 1: for that. I'm sorry that the shot shut up. My
Speaker 1: friend shot right now outside just because of that. That was.
Speaker 1: That was a moment for me. He got there, a
Speaker 1: moment weized all of us. He threw me off with
Speaker 1: that one. You got. I ain't never been I'm not
Speaker 1: able to say something on my show like I'm saying
Speaker 1: here like this is good. Okay, you know what I think.
Speaker 1: I think he knew that I ain't posed no threat
Speaker 1: met him on adition that it was cool. It was
Speaker 1: a no no, we understand. And that thing is very soft.
Speaker 1: Chris Brown or Usher Ussher only because Chris Brown is
Speaker 1: talented as hell, but Usher, I grew up Usher. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, that's Ushers part of the
Speaker 1: reason that Neo exists. I'm keep it all the shop
Speaker 1: like that's Jackson five or new addition, damn uh, new addition,
Speaker 1: new edition. Because my I was I was a fan
Speaker 1: of the Jackson five, but I was more of a
Speaker 1: fan of Mike than what Michael was doing as opposed
Speaker 1: to the whole Jackson five situations. New addition. The first
Speaker 1: first concert I even went to in life was a
Speaker 1: new edition. It was a coming home concert. Well you
Speaker 1: know everybody like BBD got a section, Bobby Brown got
Speaker 1: a section, Rob Tredsman got a section, and they all
Speaker 1: came back that they broke up. This is after they
Speaker 1: broke up. Agamea first concert ever in life, and they
Speaker 1: came out in these red suits with this embroidered tiger
Speaker 1: on the joint and these these red baller caps. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, one day, one day, like if you saw,
Speaker 1: if you saw me a lovers and friends, that whole
Speaker 1: red ensemble that was inspired by the addition. H Jeremiah,
Speaker 1: he got quiet because or trade songs on my bad
Speaker 1: Jeremiah Trade songs, Uh, Jeremiah much love of trade song,
Speaker 1: But jeremiahs is a Jeremiah is a is a. I
Speaker 1: look at Jeremy Moore as a writer and a musician
Speaker 1: than an artist, you know what I'm saying, Like like,
Speaker 1: don't get me on his art His artistry is dope,
Speaker 1: his songs is dope. But I have the respect for
Speaker 1: that man, for the way that he makes music and
Speaker 1: the music that he the music that he makes. Jeremah
Speaker 1: Jeremiah the big up Jeremond. I don't think I forgot
Speaker 1: forgot bro. He looked out for me when I needed
Speaker 1: them when I'm very thankful for that. When when the
Speaker 1: you love record. So I'm sending the studio with a man,
Speaker 1: rock star, and we're just having a random conversation about
Speaker 1: people that I haven't worked withducing rock star, rock Star,
Speaker 1: shout out the boy rock star. So we're just talking
Speaker 1: about people that I've never worked with. To get my
Speaker 1: light mynd like that I would, but rock star sending
Speaker 1: the studio, rock started talking about people ain't working with
Speaker 1: yet Jeremie's name popped up. He was like, work, hold on, hey,
Speaker 1: pull up. Nick pulled up. He pulled up with with
Speaker 1: the bag he had, putting me like seven records, seven
Speaker 1: amazing records. I'm like, listen as my pride won't let
Speaker 1: me pick more than one because because I'm looking, I'm
Speaker 1: listening to these records like, damn, why ain't thinking that? Damn?
Speaker 1: I don't know how many of crazy that lyric it was.
Speaker 1: It was one of those moments. So I picked the
Speaker 1: one that I felt safe with and that was the
Speaker 1: Love Record And yeah, man, rest history. Shout out to
Speaker 1: the boy Jereminda. She already got my shot ready, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I don't think I could choose in this one.
Speaker 1: Jay z or Nas got my shot ready set up.
Speaker 1: Look at what solo? This is not cool. It's not cool.
Speaker 1: Has anybody ever been carried out of this show? Afterwards?
Speaker 1: Everyone survives afterwards? Is it's a little bit crazy afterwards.
Speaker 1: But okay, we've had some wild ones h that I mentioned.
Speaker 1: I'm not a shot taker that I mentioned that nobody is.
Speaker 1: We're just here. We just he we all side. We
Speaker 1: celebrated yo yo yo shuh The Dream or Ryan Leslie? Wow, Um,
Speaker 1: all right. I've always felt like they never got the
Speaker 1: flowers deserved, but I never got the recognition deserved. But
Speaker 1: I do it as a genius. Um. But from the
Speaker 1: standpoint of you know who took it and did and
Speaker 1: did what they were supposed to do with it for
Speaker 1: whatever reason, I gotta give it to the day Dream.
Speaker 1: Bryan Leslie is dope, dope as hell. We've act. We
Speaker 1: actually got records together that the world has never heard.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the Dream. Yeah, man, you know what, you
Speaker 1: know what's dope about the Dream? I okay, So I
Speaker 1: personally don't like the songs where it'd be like one
Speaker 1: word repeated over and over and over and over and
Speaker 1: fucking over again. That's just annoyed at me. But the Dream,
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, when he do it, it don't annoy me.
Speaker 1: Like when he doing that's I was like that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, that's seventeen times you say that one word.
Speaker 1: But the ship is dope though, like I like, yo,
Speaker 1: I have respect for that dude because like I've tried
Speaker 1: that before, Like let me, let me see if I can. No,
Speaker 1: I don't like this ship. I'm annoyed by myself. I
Speaker 1: can't do it, but he should be working, So shout
Speaker 1: out to the Dream. It was dope. Tory Lanes or
Speaker 1: the Weekend, Uh, the weekend, the weekend Tory Lanes. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna lie Tory Lanes. It's cool, little dude, talented, a
Speaker 1: little dude, but the Weekend is a is a and
Speaker 1: that that thing is like an entity like I don't
Speaker 1: even know. I don't even know where to how to
Speaker 1: categorize him. He's something else. I agree with you everything
Speaker 1: something else. These things about that a hunted house that
Speaker 1: goddamn uh uh one of them damn amusement parks. What
Speaker 1: what R and B cat is doing that haunted house? Yeah,
Speaker 1: his own haunted house. Like it's different, different dudes and
Speaker 1: different dude Mario or Marian. Uh the set up question, No, No,
Speaker 1: I can make a distinction here. I'm gonna Mario. So
Speaker 1: I broke this down for somebody, uh during the BT
Speaker 1: weekend because everyone because of course everybody's asking me about
Speaker 1: the damn versus I don't. A performer, Mario will always
Speaker 1: have issue against a singer Mario because a singer Mario
Speaker 1: can get all everybody in the room with just his voice.
Speaker 1: He can literally stand in one spot and just sing
Speaker 1: and get the whole room. Whereas the performer Marian, he
Speaker 1: gott to do a double flipping land on his head
Speaker 1: and then turn around and split and eat some watermelon.
Speaker 1: That's There's so much that has to happen. Was a
Speaker 1: little uncoming. It was a little uncoming. It was I
Speaker 1: think I think that I think everyone It was a
Speaker 1: little uncoming. But but yeah, so I'm always gonna go
Speaker 1: away with a singer, you know, remind you I I
Speaker 1: dubbed myself a performer. I'm a performer that can sing,
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I wouldn't go up against
Speaker 1: Mario in a battle, in a singing battle like nobody's
Speaker 1: doing that was doing that, that's what that dude does. No,
Speaker 1: that's not so shot. Marian and Mario, everybody, everybody knows
Speaker 1: who want that thing? S soso double xl uh. You
Speaker 1: know what? The source? The source? Because the source actually
Speaker 1: put me on a cover at one time. Yeah me
Speaker 1: and keeps your cold it's fire. Yeah, that was weird.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get my shot ready for this next one.
Speaker 1: Fifty cents or jeezy damn, just get my shot ready.
Speaker 1: Get that pop got ready for both of them? I do,
Speaker 1: and they are both friends. Solo, can't you slottle slot
Speaker 1: good choice, get easier as you go. Yeah, it's getting
Speaker 1: easier right now. It's not Jermaine depris on pop daddy.
Speaker 1: Damn uh that's a shot. Damn the fucking set up. Damn,
Speaker 1: come on, come on, this is thank god. I ain't
Speaker 1: had nothing to do today different so I'm going to
Speaker 1: bed after Oh oh, just get the good one. This
Speaker 1: is my favorite major or independent independent. Wow comes, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna you have debates over no. Speaking from personal experience,
Speaker 1: major label is dope when it's done the right way.
Speaker 1: But nowadays, how often is it done the right way? Right?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? We we've got to a
Speaker 1: point where where all you really use a major label
Speaker 1: four is a bank. You know what I'm saying. It's
Speaker 1: it's it's money that you don't gotta pull out your
Speaker 1: own pocket. But as far as the legwork, as far
Speaker 1: as you know, all of that, that's that's that has
Speaker 1: to happen. Like castes that are doing it theirself, catch
Speaker 1: that are promoting themselves, cats is making records in their
Speaker 1: bathroom on Monday and dropping them ships on Spotify Tuesday.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a real thing. It's it's happening there.
Speaker 1: And the more are the more these young artists realized
Speaker 1: that the power is kind of in their own hands.
Speaker 1: The less and less the less unless you feel like
Speaker 1: you would need a major label. And mind you, I'm
Speaker 1: talking about the major labels that don't the way they
Speaker 1: said the EXXL had you on the cup and not
Speaker 1: for that you sucked up me with you. I just
Speaker 1: got to text, so you know, what I mean, we
Speaker 1: just got the tex little gun, salut the clock, Let's go,
Speaker 1: let's go Independence, shout of clock. But I'll tell you,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you something I got spoiled after having
Speaker 1: hit records, after having streaked records. When I first came
Speaker 1: out was the warri Port we me and Capone, we
Speaker 1: had records that was was considered hits. But just in
Speaker 1: New York said that that streak records right the minute
Speaker 1: I touched hit all fifty markets, the minute I hit
Speaker 1: the number one. It was hard not to try to
Speaker 1: not have that same feeling. So it's like it's like
Speaker 1: if they say when when a person does drugs or
Speaker 1: does crack, that that first hit is always the best,
Speaker 1: So you always go out there and you're chasing that.
Speaker 1: That's the same thing like when I was here when
Speaker 1: I hit, When I hit a different it's a different
Speaker 1: time period of social media that pre social media all that.
Speaker 1: So I had to sell a million records. I had
Speaker 1: to go to a million places, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like it wasn't as easy as what like I used
Speaker 1: to be called on that Like I'm like people look
Speaker 1: at me like I'm prehistoric, you know what, I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I'm doing you I heard you know, people know what
Speaker 1: the fact is, I came out of the nineties. So
Speaker 1: people think that I'm prehistoric because they just think everybody
Speaker 1: everything in the nineties is you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But I did get it. I did get used to
Speaker 1: um that major label look and that you know, going
Speaker 1: being able to go to every morning show throughout the
Speaker 1: whole country, being able to go and then when you
Speaker 1: get the independent you don't get that same look. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, You have to you have to
Speaker 1: work very, very harder to get the little results that
Speaker 1: you actually get when you get them when you're work,
Speaker 1: when you're with a record label, they believe in you
Speaker 1: and wants to actually do the work. That's that's all
Speaker 1: switch which should be to the combination of both being
Speaker 1: independent to the point where the major is just your distribution.
Speaker 1: It's the right deal for you, and then they take
Speaker 1: you to the next level. That that's always all componis
Speaker 1: when we argue about that, that's all we we where
Speaker 1: we see out of eyes. Stay independent, but get that
Speaker 1: major labeled distribution. You know what I'm saying. So when
Speaker 1: you because man, I ain't gonna lie it'd be hard
Speaker 1: to go to go back to the non suitets. What's
Speaker 1: the economy, loud, I don't want to stay there. I
Speaker 1: can season, you don't have to. I've never been independent. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're taking a shot for you're not going independent. Keep
Speaker 1: that big check money man talking to check money. Let's go.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm h Japanese Delion is fighting back. Yes, sir, yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: stay stay stay Major, stay Major. No no, no, I'm so.
Speaker 1: I've never been an independent artist, so I don't completely
Speaker 1: know the struggle of independent artists other than you basically
Speaker 1: have to do everything yourself, right, I get, I understand
Speaker 1: what that is. I get that, you know. Shout out
Speaker 1: to my motown team. They do me absolutely, talking right
Speaker 1: over there right spending their motown money, baby, definitely, But
Speaker 1: start spending your own money. It's different. There are also
Speaker 1: about give up ownership. Let's keep that in mind as well.
Speaker 1: To be on the major label, you don't have to
Speaker 1: go up. I don't mind. I don't mean. Well, you
Speaker 1: know what, So I watched something the other day and
Speaker 1: I think it was older. I'm not sure, but it
Speaker 1: was it was the boy uh that made sense. It
Speaker 1: made sense. He was like he was like he just
Speaker 1: wanted to buy his masters back. He wanted to get
Speaker 1: his masters back, and and they was giving him a
Speaker 1: hard time about getting the masters back. He said, what
Speaker 1: are you gonna do with the master? Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: what you're gonna do put the ships on your on
Speaker 1: your dress, Like what you're gonna do with the ship?
Speaker 1: If you don't know what to do? It it's worth
Speaker 1: it's worthless, it's worth. So I get that. I get that.
Speaker 1: I think the independent route just is attractive to me
Speaker 1: because it's like your own agenda, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: They're definitely on a Record Labels agenda, you know, on
Speaker 1: their timeline. You gotta do ship when when they need
Speaker 1: you to do it, when they want you to do it.
Speaker 1: Whereas the independent you could just do your own thing.
Speaker 1: Like I would love to do a so on Monday
Speaker 1: and drop the ship too, say, because I felt like it.
Speaker 1: I would love to do that, Like that's that's that's
Speaker 1: the kind of freedom. That that's the kind of freedom
Speaker 1: that I feel like, you work, you work this hard
Speaker 1: for this long to get to get that kind of freedom.
Speaker 1: It's like the same. Not all money is good money.
Speaker 1: So you might make some less money as an independent,
Speaker 1: but that freedom is just as less money as an
Speaker 1: independent I mean say, if if that was the case,
Speaker 1: that freedom might be just as valuable for someone made
Speaker 1: a little bit more. Always is always the exception. Like
Speaker 1: you're looking at the rocket Fellers where they own their masters.
Speaker 1: You look at the master each to look at the
Speaker 1: you know, um, the cash money is always the exception
Speaker 1: to that rule, you know what I mean with with
Speaker 1: people like that, like those, But I mean that's the
Speaker 1: they're there are definitely exceptions to the rule. They're they're
Speaker 1: the rare occasions where the independent thing work, not only work,
Speaker 1: but but flourish. Yeah, completely, I bet you. I bet
Speaker 1: you little Wayne, I bet you, um Turk. All of
Speaker 1: them never felt like they was on an independent label
Speaker 1: because they have those independent labels. Was sucking conglomerates be
Speaker 1: then theirselves like it's the like independent because it's independently owned.
Speaker 1: Like it's just y'all know I think y'all are y'all
Speaker 1: are a major label? Okay, all right? A connoty pain?
Speaker 1: Why do you want to put all my friends against
Speaker 1: each other? That's the evil Dominican and the evil Columbia.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, uh, I'm man, let's do it. I'm
Speaker 1: glad you're playing the game. He's playing the game. He
Speaker 1: is playing the game. I love it. I love it.
Speaker 1: Thank thank you, thank you. You be a little too
Speaker 1: for Okay, you know a little so little okay, m
Speaker 1: M Quincy Jones or Stevie Wonder, this is you might
Speaker 1: as well kept pouring out of here. This was a
Speaker 1: great idea. We're right second, Quincy Jones or you said,
Speaker 1: Quincy Jones, step Wonder okay, Uh Stevie Wonder. And I
Speaker 1: would say this because because he could see it on
Speaker 1: the low, Shock said he see him in the elevator.
Speaker 1: He pressed the body because boys up to big walking. Well,
Speaker 1: come on, I think you see y'all finger pop and
Speaker 1: ship for years. That's the one that I love you
Speaker 1: to death. I ain't say that with me, no, God,
Speaker 1: Stevie Wonder, because I learned. I learned how to sing
Speaker 1: listening to Stevie Wonder and Michael Jackson. I hate more voice,
Speaker 1: so okay. So I come from uh musical family. Everybody
Speaker 1: and my family do something. My sister came out the
Speaker 1: wound just blowing right, so it's effortless for her. My
Speaker 1: ship was not effortless. I had to had to like
Speaker 1: learn how to sing and drink tea and definitely drink.
Speaker 1: But my mom used to listen to like, you know, temptations,
Speaker 1: Oh Jay's teddy pentagrams, turn them off, big heavy voices,
Speaker 1: and I ain't had that ship. And my mom was
Speaker 1: my hero. That was that was like, that was my person,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I wanted to sound
Speaker 1: like the ship that she liked to listen to, but
Speaker 1: I ain't sound like that. So she introduced me to
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson. She introduced me to Stephen want because it
Speaker 1: was kind of a similar tone to what huh literally
Speaker 1: not Michael Jackson, kids your coaches. All I met was
Speaker 1: Kennyson growing up. I was mad jealous one second met
Speaker 1: Michael and one of the steve me one as a
Speaker 1: job I met as an adult. Wait, we could get
Speaker 1: into that. Hold on, don't don't go too fast, you're
Speaker 1: going too fat. Now we're going to beat That's the
Speaker 1: first way we're gonna We're gonna straight to Michael and
Speaker 1: print stories if you have, we love them here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when Patty the Bell print story was kind of crazy,
Speaker 1: it was that was a good show speaking of that
Speaker 1: wall of Drilla. Never expected to see Patty the mail
Speaker 1: as she drank. We didn't expect everything that was amazing.
Speaker 1: And she drank and she signed my guacam only company too.
Speaker 1: Let's make some noise for me close up and I
Speaker 1: made it deal immediately, let's go back to you. You
Speaker 1: might distribution. I went mad, I went I went independent
Speaker 1: this time. Okay, okay, off the water, throw off the wall. Because,
Speaker 1: as I was just saying, I learned how to sing
Speaker 1: listening to Mike and Steve. The first Michael Jackson music
Speaker 1: that I ever heard was off the Wall. Kanye Wessel
Speaker 1: for Rell fu fuck um fuck that blue Dotter is
Speaker 1: looking at Emmett. I'm too nice. I mean, this is
Speaker 1: this is, this game is made. I told you I
Speaker 1: don't take shots. I don't know. I don't have shot etiquette.
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm just say etiquette it because
Speaker 1: it's long long, we're not even have we all have
Speaker 1: way through? Were not with the show? Over the show? Yea, yeah,
Speaker 1: we have way through. My answers is about changing on
Speaker 1: this one. This one. It's gonna be ill all right,
Speaker 1: tank or keep sweat, uh, keep sweat. Gotta go with
Speaker 1: the history go absolute o G radio or podcast that's
Speaker 1: independent of major all over, and I can honestly say
Speaker 1: that in the history of me, I've made my money
Speaker 1: via radio. Then I have your podcast. We can respect that.
Speaker 1: Respect that, you know, as soon as the podcast checks
Speaker 1: are rolling in, Hey, yeah, no problem, no problem, we
Speaker 1: respect that, all right, e F And you want to go, Okay,
Speaker 1: I get it now. I didn't. I didn't get it before.
Speaker 1: For Dora's or baseball hats, I didn't get it that first, sorry,
Speaker 1: or because it sounds like a new clearly you live
Speaker 1: quality and else the number three topic wearing niggers in
Speaker 1: the world cats or had the shower back there? I do?
Speaker 1: That was a lot. I know, k I'm saying something,
Speaker 1: so all right, I feel like world world known people
Speaker 1: know the for door like if you if you you
Speaker 1: think neo, you think for door world. However, they both
Speaker 1: embodied me like it's just it's just it's just who
Speaker 1: the hell I am for doors for do? Okay? I
Speaker 1: love a baseball cat, but I feel like I look
Speaker 1: better at the door. I love that they a little
Speaker 1: emoji for the big but the cat, like you, like,
Speaker 1: we wouldn't know what that Okay, Our Green or Curtis Mayfield, Damn,
Speaker 1: let's go, come on, let's drink it. Yeah, I'm ahead. Uh,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get mine ready at least I really don't
Speaker 1: want to take another shot. Fuck y'all. Damn damn. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's not a you can't do that. Yeah, you gotta
Speaker 1: show respect to the old JS. So I look serious.
Speaker 1: M hm awk our Green grets may that man find
Speaker 1: christ def Jam. We've been talking about that, people telling
Speaker 1: about the Grits Jef Jam my Motown. Who um, you
Speaker 1: know what think's drinking that? I'm take a shot. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna advise, I'm gonna listen to your advisorysory committee, not
Speaker 1: real ship because def Jam set it up in Motown,
Speaker 1: spiked at home. You know. So they both played very
Speaker 1: intricate injurgle role in my success. So I can't slot
Speaker 1: to both pick up tons of two tons of tongs.
Speaker 1: He's doing a great jobs, gonna get it ready and
Speaker 1: the tinay Rick James and Bobby Brown Bobby Brown head
Speaker 1: No I fock Rick James, Rick James. But as far
Speaker 1: as influenced me personally, Bobby Brown is my imagination. Did
Speaker 1: you hear that Bobby Brown frog um chicken with cocaine.
Speaker 1: I did not hear that. However, I am not shocked
Speaker 1: surprised by that at all, as they said he had
Speaker 1: so much cocaine one time that he got he bred chicken.
Speaker 1: He bred. I ain't gonna lie to that work. I
Speaker 1: don't know where. I ain't allow to you order me.
Speaker 1: He wants to know how that part like, because that
Speaker 1: was either some complete bullshit like it was going to
Speaker 1: be the best chicken regards, this is the best you
Speaker 1: taking by and that it's the best, yo, don't let you.
Speaker 1: Who told us that Rick James their babysitter? Wow? Who
Speaker 1: told that? Was it snow that Rick James? Was it? Conway?
Speaker 1: It was snow that Rick James was just babysitter somebody kids?
Speaker 1: By the way, that snow by the way, whoever that
Speaker 1: was your parents is out of live. I'm saying he
Speaker 1: talked about his mom. That's a strange I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: a good babysittering. What are you doing as what are
Speaker 1: you doing as a parent to where it becomes a
Speaker 1: good idea for Richard James to watch the I gotta
Speaker 1: be there, I gotta Rick you mean slide you gotta
Speaker 1: be there. What's happening? What does that Evan? It was
Speaker 1: definitely picture what you got to go? Something was ship hey, listen,
Speaker 1: ship hold little man, damn bottle every two hours. Okay,
Speaker 1: Whitney Houston or Amy wine House. Whitney Houston Love Amy
Speaker 1: wine House. But there will be no Amy wine House
Speaker 1: where wit Houston, Adele or Mariah Maria Love be now Adele.
Speaker 1: I got record with Mariah. She came to the studio
Speaker 1: and didn't my record and drink and I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 1: I was so embarrassed when she came to the studio
Speaker 1: because we didn't clean up. You know, I had like
Speaker 1: a clubhouse studio. And then Marian carry walls to like,
Speaker 1: what do you do? You do you take the garbage out?
Speaker 1: Now like he's not so much like you just go
Speaker 1: with it, but but hold on. But I deflected, Neil.
Speaker 1: You know what I did. I said, you drinking wine?
Speaker 1: She said yes, I yeah, and we went and then
Speaker 1: she had her eyes on the wine and not how
Speaker 1: filthy my studio was. Riots in the back of her head.
Speaker 1: She was like, it's dirtiest hand, but let me just
Speaker 1: say good, let me just tell your something. So we
Speaker 1: had so so she was walking around and like I've
Speaker 1: never seen my my my niggas groupy out like this,
Speaker 1: like my niggas was really following her up and down
Speaker 1: the studios. So I said, I said, I said, I said,
Speaker 1: my Ryan, I said, you can't show stop following my rife.
Speaker 1: And then Mariant hits me to to the side. She said,
Speaker 1: they may never see me again. Just left them, just
Speaker 1: left them. And because I was taking the too far,
Speaker 1: because this is my guest, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm like this before cameras and U Instagram. But she said,
Speaker 1: she said, she leaned over so politely said no, they
Speaker 1: may never see me again. Let them you know. You
Speaker 1: know what she meant was, I ain't never coming back.
Speaker 1: I am coming back different. That's like a life that's
Speaker 1: a life accomplishment. Yes, yes, I got a record. I did.
Speaker 1: I did ship with Mariah. I did shout out the
Speaker 1: big shout out the big life accomplished that that line
Speaker 1: is all because everybody felt like, yeah, yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1: That's it. Dicky Smalls or big punt Biggie Smalls, a
Speaker 1: big pun Biggie Smalls, all respect to Big Punk. But
Speaker 1: I was introduced a Biggie Smallest first, I fell in
Speaker 1: love with Biggie word played first, big smalls good. It's
Speaker 1: the last one, the last one the interview, but the
Speaker 1: last for quick Time and slide Everyone these is a
Speaker 1: m a trick question. It really is a trick question.
Speaker 1: Isn't what it kind of is? Loyalty or respect? Loyalty
Speaker 1: or respect? Can you be loyal to somebody that you
Speaker 1: don't respect? Step? Not really right? If I don't. If
Speaker 1: I don't respect you, why would I Why would I
Speaker 1: waste my loyalty? Only final respect you? So it's a
Speaker 1: definitely loyalty. Let me respect respect, definitely respect. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: god damn it. We survived quick time, you did it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a shot for surviving. I'm gonna take surviving. Yeah,
Speaker 1: quick time yet. Okay, okay, And let me just tell
Speaker 1: you something. We've been doing this for six years. There's
Speaker 1: only two people who came here and changed cheers. You
Speaker 1: just made a list. But who else you think is
Speaker 1: the other person came here and changed? Changed like I
Speaker 1: mean change clothes, like clothes changed. But actually actually I didn't.
Speaker 1: I was going you had a whole plan was changed.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm about to drink and smoke and
Speaker 1: it's probably gonna be bad. I love rock. Let me right,
Speaker 1: I'm with family and friends. Let the rock. Why I'm
Speaker 1: good good? Who's the only I ain't got dressed up
Speaker 1: for you? Who's the other person that you think that
Speaker 1: came here and came here and changed? Clowes did Patty
Speaker 1: the change and love it. She she came ready to
Speaker 1: rock hat out here and make a lot of people there.
Speaker 1: We picked up my boy, go go. We picked up
Speaker 1: with the ghost. We had a red carpet for because
Speaker 1: we don't even have to you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And yeah, but she she stayed ready. But she didn't
Speaker 1: take my easies. He took my easy slippers because he
Speaker 1: wanted to go to the bathroom. Wanted to go to
Speaker 1: the bathroom, and I had my slippers right there, and
Speaker 1: so I opened it up and she did it. And
Speaker 1: then when she when she didn't, she started she started dancing.
Speaker 1: I said, holy movie, we want, we want. We got
Speaker 1: hanging about dancing. And soon as she put the easiest
Speaker 1: off slippers off, I'm framing them right now, I'm framing them.
Speaker 1: And so when you walk in my crib, you first
Speaker 1: walk in my crib. You're gonna see the yeasies that
Speaker 1: Palliati about war because see the video footage of her
Speaker 1: wearing it, Because that implies you have a very large crib. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: actually actually don't. Yeah, because actually next to that, I
Speaker 1: got memorabil you just said doing the six years. But
Speaker 1: actually I got Floyd may Whether his whole outfit that
Speaker 1: he wore a drink chance is, I'm the biggest Floyd
Speaker 1: Mayweather fan, So he sent me that. And then I
Speaker 1: got um Lennox Lewis boxing gloves. I got a memorable bill.
Speaker 1: You like a sting going on. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: If you know what, I'll take that. I'll take that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll take that. I'm just saying that. Yeah, yeah, you'll
Speaker 1: be up in there amongst the gad that's cool, and
Speaker 1: we're taking a shot for that. I think we shouldn't
Speaker 1: take a shot of that. Let take a shot for yourself.
Speaker 1: Everyone shot yourself. I know, I knew I was coming
Speaker 1: to gym saying take a shot, take a shot with
Speaker 1: you're heavy short, I'm drunk, God damn man. Oh I
Speaker 1: stick got my drink on the side too. My spade.
Speaker 1: You sad she chose violence. Yes, listen, listen, listen. We
Speaker 1: used to have a Dominican guy named Mr Lee pouring drinks.
Speaker 1: Now we got a girl for you. You know what? Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: because it would have been weird if you're having a
Speaker 1: un all his love songs. You're saying strange dynamic. Yeah, Joe,
Speaker 1: do you like being married? I like being married. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: you know I love being married. Yeah, I love streets
Speaker 1: is gross? Yeah, I'm sorry. It's it's true. It's true.
Speaker 1: It ain't it ain't it ain't ship. It ain't ship
Speaker 1: out there, but some ships you don't want. It's real,
Speaker 1: it's real. Like you see somebody do some whole ship.
Speaker 1: You'd be like, I'm going home pretty much, yo, real talk.
Speaker 1: I don't really, I ain't really ain't really outside like that,
Speaker 1: you know what. I gotta say that. I realized that.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to cut you off. I know. That's the
Speaker 1: other day. My fun. My fun is being bored, like
Speaker 1: that's fun to me. But see, I ain't bory. It
Speaker 1: may be boring to maybe, but I'm having a fucking ball.
Speaker 1: I'm at the crib. I'm killing the refrigerators right there.
Speaker 1: My bedroom is right there, my kids is here. I
Speaker 1: got my video game, nigger, I'm good a good video games.
Speaker 1: Oh damn yeah, I mean well, not all that Zelda
Speaker 1: I have, Legend of Zelda I have. I'm gonna play.
Speaker 1: I'm a PlayStation dude. Yeah yeah, I'm waiting on that
Speaker 1: Street Fight of six to come. Ain't got that Nintendo,
Speaker 1: I don't. That's all the games. This nigger got all
Speaker 1: the games I've not seen that he got. He got.
Speaker 1: That's in the Super Mario Brothers. He had Mike Tyson
Speaker 1: punch Out and Rob knew how to play that. Nick
Speaker 1: Ros is not his age Ross is alright, age bro,
Speaker 1: this this young and you know to play Mike Typson,
Speaker 1: come on home, Bro, even lying us Bro, Bro like
Speaker 1: and this is a crazy ship. This is a is
Speaker 1: a cheat colde and Mike Tyson. How the funk he
Speaker 1: knew that I said this? He yeah, yeah, yeah. I
Speaker 1: think it's be out your lying, bro, at least be
Speaker 1: keeping it real. You forty two, yeah, I'm forty four. Goddamn,
Speaker 1: Holy moly, holy ship. Okay, we said, okay, stay down
Speaker 1: with featuring Young Blue or just just Blue. He took
Speaker 1: the young offer. He took the young He just Blue
Speaker 1: now okay, shout out to the boy Blue. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: so how did this happen? What was going on? Um?
Speaker 1: Stay down was one of my favorite actually one of
Speaker 1: my favorite joints on this album because uh so it's
Speaker 1: all right, so real ship. What happened is I wrote
Speaker 1: two songs about the same thing, right, and I didn't
Speaker 1: want to get rid of either song, so I just
Speaker 1: chopped the bitches in half and put them together. Um uh.
Speaker 1: The the addition of Blue, that was my nigga. Mr.
Speaker 1: Shout out to my man, Mr. Uh, that's that's my
Speaker 1: cat that just keep his ears to the street. Right.
Speaker 1: He introduced me to Blue, introduced me to blues music,
Speaker 1: and I was impressed by the young boy, you know,
Speaker 1: went over to his house, you know, to to kick
Speaker 1: it with him, to just kind of fill him out,
Speaker 1: and like, I feel like he's getting he's getting love
Speaker 1: right now. But just that's that's that's the that's the
Speaker 1: nigg to watch for real real because like what he's
Speaker 1: giving y'all is good. But like I've heard some ship
Speaker 1: like like he come with some ship ship like for
Speaker 1: shout out to the boy Blue. Has it been on
Speaker 1: another thing? How has it been filming the World of
Speaker 1: Dance Show. So The World of Dance Show unfortunately is
Speaker 1: not coming back now. They they did it, so I
Speaker 1: didn't realize that it was such an expensive show to shoot.
Speaker 1: It's a very very expensive show to shoot. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean Jelos on the show. Of course, it's an
Speaker 1: expensive show to shoot. But I will say that the
Speaker 1: four years that we did that ship, it was amazing. Um.
Speaker 1: You know what it feel like when you come to
Speaker 1: work and everybody at work feel like they want to
Speaker 1: be there, and I'm talking about it is that. It
Speaker 1: was that thing like like this, the energy from the
Speaker 1: production people, to the dancers that's doing it, to to me,
Speaker 1: j Lo Derek, it was just it's just a great
Speaker 1: experience all the way across the board. Yeah, my girl
Speaker 1: forced me to watch it and I ended up liking it,
Speaker 1: like she's a jail fanatic. And then and then we've
Speaker 1: watched all the ladies. You know she's talking about sometimes
Speaker 1: now you know what you're talking about. So how was
Speaker 1: the Mass Singer? Yo? So I did the Mass Singer
Speaker 1: UK and I did that because I felt like if
Speaker 1: I did it here, I would have got caught easy.
Speaker 1: I feel like people have recognized my voice. But in
Speaker 1: the Massing of UK there was like, yo, if you
Speaker 1: can change your voice, change it, like whatever it is
Speaker 1: you gotta do to not get caught. Do that. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, ship, all right, we're cool. So that
Speaker 1: ship is beautiful and weird. It's fun. I can't breathe. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I mean, aside from the fact that you can't breathe,
Speaker 1: don't you see units in those elaborate suits. No, little fans, Nah,
Speaker 1: come on, Disney characters, give that ship. I mean that's Disney. No.
Speaker 1: But the wow ship is that even backstage, nobody knows
Speaker 1: who anybody is. Like, okay, so it's it's it's like
Speaker 1: one cat that helps you, like you know, work through
Speaker 1: the music and then like a handler and that's the
Speaker 1: only people that see your actual face everywhere, like you
Speaker 1: walk them around backstage. They give you this, uh it's
Speaker 1: like a like a it's like a visor, like a
Speaker 1: mirror advisor over your face and it's COVID pretty much.
Speaker 1: And it's big black hoodie with the words don't talk
Speaker 1: to me right across the front of it. You. No
Speaker 1: one knows who anybody is even after the show, even
Speaker 1: after I got limited. I was like, all right, so
Speaker 1: real talk, Who's who's who's in the sausage suit. I
Speaker 1: can't tell you, gotta wait till the show comes out.
Speaker 1: Come on, man, I'm going home tomorrow. You can tell me.
Speaker 1: I can't at you. But yeah, it was. It was
Speaker 1: a dope experience. I loved it, especially because because they
Speaker 1: allowed me to like try to change my voice, try
Speaker 1: to sing a different way to not get caught. And
Speaker 1: honestly I was. I was a little piste off because
Speaker 1: read the aora you know what you know read or
Speaker 1: I know read or read it or knows me. We
Speaker 1: worked together. I'm like, if anybody gonna catch me read
Speaker 1: it or read it or did not catch me. It
Speaker 1: was some guest judge that came in on like the
Speaker 1: last two shows and finally tig out who the hella was.
Speaker 1: I'm like, readA real for real, that's what it is, Okay,
Speaker 1: I get She's like, no, no, they I knew who
Speaker 1: you were. The second shodow, I couldn't say anything bullshit,
Speaker 1: you didn't know what hell it was? But it was.
Speaker 1: It was all good though it was. It was. It
Speaker 1: was a great experience. I just feel like I really
Speaker 1: don't want to. I really don't want one. I'm about
Speaker 1: to hear me slurn over here. Come on, that's what
Speaker 1: you can skip one. You can skip one. We're gonna
Speaker 1: rocket y'all girl, mand I can't tell you what, but
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a shot for you. And you would
Speaker 1: read the order in the mask. No that she was fun.
Speaker 1: I didn't saying right, should not read the plan. Mhmm,
Speaker 1: you're good. You're good, Yo. Listen, listen Neal, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be honest your whole lection out here. Bro. Appreciate that
Speaker 1: I got to see your career from the beginning, from
Speaker 1: when you first worked with Pete Crack. Yeah. Man, you
Speaker 1: never gave Peter Cracker record back though she asked one,
Speaker 1: he won the crack he asked one. He record. He
Speaker 1: didn't tell me you want to record. Shout out to
Speaker 1: Pete Crack. I was in Philly just recently, like a
Speaker 1: couple of days ago. Yo. So so I was there.
Speaker 1: We was at the Dall Center. It was ridiculous. We
Speaker 1: pulled up and I'm like, oh wait, funk, we're in Philly. Yo.
Speaker 1: Can somebody get ahold of Petty Crack? Compete Crack come
Speaker 1: out on stay, Pete Crack pulled him. He was like, Bro,
Speaker 1: I was at a whole family the bart with you.
Speaker 1: I was on the grill, I was getting it in,
Speaker 1: but I paused that to come fork with you. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, yo when this nigga came out on stage,
Speaker 1: because mind you, it's Philly. You know, it's hot everywhere
Speaker 1: right now, but it's it's dumb hot. It's like nine
Speaker 1: degrees at night. It's nuts to the point where even
Speaker 1: the crowd is like, hey, n ship, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna rock with you sitting down near this hot
Speaker 1: out here. Right when this nigga came out on stage, Nick,
Speaker 1: the whole place went nuts. Shout out to the boy,
Speaker 1: Petty Crack, because he literally pulled up on me in
Speaker 1: the last I called it. I called him in the
Speaker 1: last minute. I called him in the night in the
Speaker 1: ninth and he pulled up on me and he rocked
Speaker 1: out and it was beautiful. Let me look at you
Speaker 1: face to face, man, and man, you gotta get Pete
Speaker 1: Crack ahead. Petty, how let you pet you have my
Speaker 1: personal phone. Numb nigga could call me bro. That's literally
Speaker 1: from the beginning, and that was my first single as
Speaker 1: an artist on that gym why I Got You, Brother,
Speaker 1: and they did. They asked you to Crack brought that
Speaker 1: so they wanted So they knew that they wanted to
Speaker 1: go with Stay as the first record, and mind you,
Speaker 1: l A had like like a whole game plan and
Speaker 1: he was like, right, so we're gonna put this out first.
Speaker 1: This record is not gonna go to number one, but
Speaker 1: it's gonna do just well enough to get attention, to
Speaker 1: get people, and then we gonna hear him was so
Speaker 1: sick and we and we off. J. L A re
Speaker 1: told me this like months before it happened. I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is a psychic But anyway, so they knew they
Speaker 1: wanted to go with Stay, but they felt like it
Speaker 1: needed something. So that's when Jay was like, we gotta
Speaker 1: get a hip hop feature on there. And I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, well, I'm it's jay Z soly listen whoever
Speaker 1: you decide, I'm rocking whatever. So he came with Pete.
Speaker 1: I wasn't familiar with who Pete Crack was when he
Speaker 1: put him on the record, but I loved what he
Speaker 1: did to it. He killed it. Dully Kelly, Damn Kelly.
Speaker 1: I'm like I don't know who you are, but I
Speaker 1: don't even know what right, So so yeah, so Jay
Speaker 1: brought him around and and it was it was love.
Speaker 1: It was all up. He'd been a real nick for
Speaker 1: a long long time. Is my brother? We both Nicko Rican,
Speaker 1: We're both black and Puerto Rican. Yeah, yeah, I love Beattie.
Speaker 1: We haven't spoken a long time, but shas beatty crack.
Speaker 1: I love. He's a Drink Chance of alumni, straight up
Speaker 1: and working and working with Pitt. Yeah, that's the next picture.
Speaker 1: That's another dude. That's another drink Chance and family. Listen,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep a funk with ya because I'm drunk.
Speaker 1: I don't have a lot of industry friends because I
Speaker 1: don't do funny. Well, Like, if I don't funk with you,
Speaker 1: you're gonna you're gonna know, like right away, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And the whole concept of hanging out
Speaker 1: with somebody, taking pictures with somebody because it's it's it's
Speaker 1: good for your image. Like if y'all take a picture together,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? He likes that. To guy,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't give a damn. I don't rock
Speaker 1: like that. If I don't, I don't sunk with a
Speaker 1: lot of people funk with pit Bull because he's because
Speaker 1: aside from this music ship, aside from all of that,
Speaker 1: he's like a straight up, like just real you know.
Speaker 1: He's a genuine cat, you know, and he's always been
Speaker 1: at from from before the success, from before the success.
Speaker 1: He's always been just a genuine dude. And uh yeah, man,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's one of my real friends, not industry friends.
Speaker 1: Not we see each other and we say what's up,
Speaker 1: because that's what you're supposed to do in the industry. Like,
Speaker 1: that's one of my real friends. Like if the ship
Speaker 1: hit the fan, I would call people and he would
Speaker 1: pick the phone up for me, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like real friendship. Did you get to watch his drink Champs?
Speaker 1: It was class try to get because he's friend. He
Speaker 1: brought they brought the vodka through. Yeah, he brought. He
Speaker 1: brought the first Mama Wanna that I started drinking and
Speaker 1: it was crazy. Is he came by himself, by himself
Speaker 1: because he literally that that speaks to the kind of
Speaker 1: cat is like you know what, I'm at home. I'm
Speaker 1: at home and pull up on my home boys. We're
Speaker 1: gonna do this it's gonna be fun like the career
Speaker 1: of only nobody with me. That's that's that's that speaks
Speaker 1: to the kind of cat that people shout out to
Speaker 1: the boy shout out to Mr. Worldwide. The time of
Speaker 1: my life, It's time of our lives. That's the It
Speaker 1: was the second one we did, the second one, we did?
Speaker 1: Uh when we did the first one? This is the
Speaker 1: super Yeah. Well, I mean, I mean give me. Everything
Speaker 1: was was massive. Like I've performed at Womley Stadium before,
Speaker 1: but when I performed at Womeny Stadium with this cat,
Speaker 1: It's eighty people jumping up and down at the same time.
Speaker 1: Grab somebody sexy, tell him electric, nigga, it was. It
Speaker 1: was electric. You have no idea. So it was different.
Speaker 1: It's different with that dude. So so he hit me
Speaker 1: with the second When he sent me the track, he
Speaker 1: was like, we gotta we gotta hit him again. We
Speaker 1: gotta do something. And mind you the concept of because
Speaker 1: at this point, I'm rich, I'm not paying rent, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm ownership at this point. But you know, I got
Speaker 1: casts around me. That's that's you know, up and coming
Speaker 1: and you know, trying to make it happy and I'm
Speaker 1: working with young writers and trying to get them right.
Speaker 1: And I'm listening to I'm listening to somebody tell their story,
Speaker 1: you know, about the whole. I knew my real was
Speaker 1: gonna be later by the week ago. I knew I
Speaker 1: worked my ass off, but I still can't pay it though.
Speaker 1: I'm sitting listening to this cat tell the story to
Speaker 1: his home. But like yo, I knew I wasn't gonna
Speaker 1: be able to pay the rent, but it only costs
Speaker 1: twenty bucks again the club. So I went to the
Speaker 1: mother club and I'm like, yea, that is the realist ship. Ever,
Speaker 1: it's like I can't pay it today, I ain't gonna
Speaker 1: be able to pay it tomorrow. But tonight I can
Speaker 1: get this guy damn club. I can get in there
Speaker 1: to have a good time. And I'm like, that's that's it,
Speaker 1: that's it. I knew my real was gonna be later.
Speaker 1: By the week ago. I worked my ass off. I
Speaker 1: still can't pay it, though, but I got just enough
Speaker 1: to get off in this club, had me a good
Speaker 1: time before my time is up. N you just wrote
Speaker 1: the hook come in hugs love yeah, and sent that
Speaker 1: to bit and the rest is history. The rest is history. Yeah, man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I write from personal experience. I write from the experience
Speaker 1: of the people around me that's willing to tell me
Speaker 1: the story. You know what I'm saying. I always try
Speaker 1: to make it relatable. You know, everybody knows I ain't
Speaker 1: paying rent right now. I mean, at least if you're smart,
Speaker 1: you know I ain't paying on that rent. So you
Speaker 1: know I wasn't talking about myself. Same way, same way.
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm a married man, but I cannot write
Speaker 1: every song from the aspect of a married man. Ain't married.
Speaker 1: I heard you said, because everybody ain't married, I don't
Speaker 1: write sauce like when you was depressed. You don't even
Speaker 1: right it for fully, for all depressed people, because everybody's
Speaker 1: not depressed, because everybody ain't depressed. I try. I try
Speaker 1: to tap into the different aspects of what the human
Speaker 1: beings is going through. That's just what I'm going Also
Speaker 1: heard you say that hurt music like when when you
Speaker 1: go through a hurt situation, it makes for better music. Yo.
Speaker 1: I've never been able to completely understand it, but I
Speaker 1: have I have an understanding of it. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: so everybody on the face of the planet knows what
Speaker 1: love is to us to a degree, even if you've
Speaker 1: never felt it, you know that it exists. You know
Speaker 1: that it's a force that exists, and it's and it's
Speaker 1: it's hard to put a finger on, but but you
Speaker 1: know that it's there. So if you take the number
Speaker 1: of people that are in love or experiencing love versus
Speaker 1: the people that are not, versus the people that are
Speaker 1: searching for it, versus the people that are that are
Speaker 1: in in in the darker elements of love, I promise
Speaker 1: you was more people over here than it is over here.
Speaker 1: So for whatever, so so them them, them funked up
Speaker 1: situations just make four amazing song lyrics. Because it's like,
Speaker 1: all right, if I need to cry, I need something
Speaker 1: to cry too. I need I need a song, I
Speaker 1: need some If I can't find a person that can
Speaker 1: relate to what I'm going through, I'm gonna put this
Speaker 1: song on because I know that whoever wrote this song
Speaker 1: knows exactly what I'm feeling. With Pinky Ring, Pinky Ring,
Speaker 1: you made pinky ring. That was different. That was that
Speaker 1: was anger, That wasn't that was I was. I was
Speaker 1: upset and no, no, no, no, it wasn't a disrecord.
Speaker 1: I didn't say anything about her, so to speak. I
Speaker 1: didn't say anything all about her. I was just speaking
Speaker 1: on the way that I was handling this situation. Straight up,
Speaker 1: shut up. We forgive you, thank you, and she gave
Speaker 1: me some good. That was when I seed you at Shoolls.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie because I met you very early
Speaker 1: on with Tina Davis, and I seed you very very successful.
Speaker 1: And when I knew that, I knew. I knew he
Speaker 1: was going to work it out for some reason, because
Speaker 1: because I believe in love. I'm sorry, I know I
Speaker 1: made all these gangster records mean stuffing. You're passion the nigger.
Speaker 1: I get it, I get it. But but I knew
Speaker 1: even because at that time, I can tell you what hurt,
Speaker 1: I don't know what we were going through. Bro. So okay,
Speaker 1: So the peaky ring record, right, she came back, the
Speaker 1: wedding ring, I turned into a pinky ring that was
Speaker 1: completing other cap that was me moving around hurt as hell,
Speaker 1: trying to not look hurt like I'm out with my niggas.
Speaker 1: We had strip clubs like and I get back to
Speaker 1: the room at the end of the night and just
Speaker 1: cry myself to sleep. I was fucked up. I was
Speaker 1: fucked up for real, for real, and I couldn't. I
Speaker 1: couldn't show people that, you know what I'm saying that
Speaker 1: the pride of me was like, no, I'm good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she didn't want to be you know what, I'm straight,
Speaker 1: and in the back of my head, I wanted to
Speaker 1: go home, nigger. I was hurt, hurt like it was bad.
Speaker 1: It was bad. So so the fact that you could
Speaker 1: see that means that I wasn't hiding that ship as
Speaker 1: well as I thought. No, No, I saw this and
Speaker 1: we had so hard. So we just me and you,
Speaker 1: a bunch of white people. And I looked at it
Speaker 1: and I said, no, that didn't need He's not gonna
Speaker 1: say you know what. And by the way, this is
Speaker 1: the time when we really first started drink champs. But
Speaker 1: I didn't want to pause. I didn't want to take
Speaker 1: advantage of you. I didn't want to. I was just like,
Speaker 1: you know what, nigga, that drink chaps. Yeah, that would
Speaker 1: have been hard, that ship would have been because Beau,
Speaker 1: you know what, the crazy you've ever been a guy
Speaker 1: that told the dude you'll leave that bitch and did
Speaker 1: he get back? That don't have a good seat. Now
Speaker 1: you know the children that you don't never want to
Speaker 1: be that dude to be like yo man yo, and
Speaker 1: then you get back when you get back with a
Speaker 1: whole that's that's real. That's real now. I uh, I
Speaker 1: knew that I didn't want to get to get a divorce.
Speaker 1: I mean coming, you know, you know what it is
Speaker 1: for negative even decide to get married, like especially like,
Speaker 1: let's keeping a nig in my position to be like
Speaker 1: you know what, cool on all, y'all, this one is
Speaker 1: just this one right, like that ship ain't like that's heavy.
Speaker 1: That's heavy. So if I go there, if I go
Speaker 1: to that extreme like I wanted to be just you,
Speaker 1: I ain't trying to get divorced. That's an all moment, y'all.
Speaker 1: To three, that's a woman's Yeah, that's a shot moment. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's also a shot clock time. We can do it
Speaker 1: because we're taking a shot for your wife, kid, say no,
Speaker 1: it's also a for my wife's also a let's go
Speaker 1: and for y'alla for year, Yeah you go too far.
Speaker 1: This is for y'all. Kindling y'all, and you believe in it.
Speaker 1: Love because I love love and I love love. Let's
Speaker 1: get it in and I also love love thanks Mr Lee.
Speaker 1: I've been together. I've been together. I've been together with
Speaker 1: my wife fifteen years. We've been married ten. I've been
Speaker 1: married six, we've been together eight. God damnit make some
Speaker 1: noise for that. I how did you count wrong? How
Speaker 1: did you count that wrong? Taking a lot of shots?
Speaker 1: I didn't want he was married for no I I
Speaker 1: was telling him how long I was married. He shared
Speaker 1: his information with me. Because you're not married, right, technically
Speaker 1: you better relax. I mean, I'm pretty pretty much married, man,
Speaker 1: So what are you gonna do it? Hey? Man? Relaxed?
Speaker 1: You want to get and then you want to tell
Speaker 1: me to relax. Come straight up, don't do that. We
Speaker 1: we lived together, we're married as far as i'm that's
Speaker 1: that's Latino marriage. You don't like you, but let me
Speaker 1: ask you. You got to work with Beyonce and wed. Yes,
Speaker 1: let's let's let's talk about that. Man. So in which
Speaker 1: one you want to talk about first? But your we one?
Speaker 1: So pick the wrong one? We got drinks ship. I'm
Speaker 1: being carried out. Um No. So when I first met Rihanna,
Speaker 1: she was a brother was not I was perform broy
Speaker 1: she was young, young. She was like this might have
Speaker 1: been sixteen and seventeen somewhere there when first when I
Speaker 1: first first met her death Jamp had Tianna Taylor too.
Speaker 1: It was it was Rihanna, Tianna just got uh black Butterfly.
Speaker 1: Oh damn you? Hey, hey, Spike Tea, what's pop? Listen?
Speaker 1: We drunk? That was all of Yes, Uh, I don't
Speaker 1: want to what I meant sa Marie Rihanna and and
Speaker 1: uh black Butterfly? That yeah, uh still Yeah. When I
Speaker 1: first met Rihanna, she was very much still. She was
Speaker 1: a kid, you know. Always we started working together, you know,
Speaker 1: japol me and studio what you know, I'm writing with
Speaker 1: or whatever the case may be. I'm sorry, man, you
Speaker 1: can't just be saying it. That's so nonchally to my
Speaker 1: jay Z. Yes, I'm sorry. Jay Z put me in
Speaker 1: the studio with Rihanna very very young, which she was
Speaker 1: very very young, and you know, we're writing and I'm
Speaker 1: taking the Jimmy jam Terry Lewis approach like I'm just
Speaker 1: sitting having conversations about what's going on with her so
Speaker 1: that I can then turn around right the record. Right.
Speaker 1: So the odds ship is that as Rihanna is growing
Speaker 1: up and becoming the sex symbol that Rihanna is and
Speaker 1: all of my nigga's run. He's like, yo, yo, you
Speaker 1: saw Rihanna in them shorts. And I'm like, because it's
Speaker 1: like baby sisters, you know, my little sister. I'm like
Speaker 1: the DJ record out, yet this is not this is
Speaker 1: this is after the DJ Okay cool out and us
Speaker 1: have seen her and the niggas is on it, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like, I'm I'm pretty to these conversations,
Speaker 1: but I can't engage. It's like, yeah, yo, nigga Rihanna.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, trying to down can't. Yeah, I can't engage
Speaker 1: these conversations because she's weird because like we've had like
Speaker 1: in depth conversations about real ship, like this is literally
Speaker 1: yeah yeah at this point, you know what, because I'm
Speaker 1: trying to write records for so we're talking about everything.
Speaker 1: We're talking about dudes, We're talking about all of that ship, right,
Speaker 1: And it's just weird because it's like as she gets older, act,
Speaker 1: you know, act, she's growing into a young woman. It's
Speaker 1: like every nig around me is like yo, Rihanna, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, uh stop, She's weird. She was just weird
Speaker 1: for me, Like I couldn't. I couldn't look at us
Speaker 1: that little from from the first day I met her,
Speaker 1: it was like I under the wing protecting you after that,
Speaker 1: and then it's still that. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like we ain't as close as we once was, but
Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying to this day, and
Speaker 1: was like, yo, Rihanna get it. I'm like, yeah, right, cool, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's cool. I can't. I can't engage in that
Speaker 1: because that's because because of where we started at, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, But you do respect Brihanna is.
Speaker 1: Rihanna is a worse Rihanna is the chick that's gonna
Speaker 1: show first and leave last, which is why when I
Speaker 1: heard she was a billionaire, I was like, yeah, that
Speaker 1: makes sense because she's accordable. Period. It's like, what we're doing,
Speaker 1: it ain't done yet. How many days it's been four
Speaker 1: or five, We're still here. Fuck it until it's done.
Speaker 1: I'm here, Like that's who Rihanna is. Yeah man, yeah man.
Speaker 1: And that's what it takes to get to that billion
Speaker 1: straight up, that's what it takes. You gotta you gotta
Speaker 1: do this ship, like like you ain't got nothing else
Speaker 1: to do, or even if you've got something else to do,
Speaker 1: you've chosen to be here. Goddamn it. That's that's Rihanna.
Speaker 1: Now let's just get to be So is your first
Speaker 1: time working, first time working with Beyonce. I'm in the
Speaker 1: studio and uh, I'm I'm I'm in the studio as
Speaker 1: a writer at this point. You know, I gotta deal.
Speaker 1: I'm on def Jam and I'm working on my album,
Speaker 1: but I'm also just righting. Period. We get a commission
Speaker 1: to do some ship for Britney Spears. M interesting, I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh ship before Brie she was Britney. Motherfucker brit Oh Ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's get it. So, I'm in the studio, I'm working
Speaker 1: and writing them, writing songs with Britney Spears in mind.
Speaker 1: Uh shout out to my nigger, Top Time. Top Times
Speaker 1: comes in the studio every other day, just listening to
Speaker 1: what I'm doing and every other song. He was like, yo, yeah,
Speaker 1: let me copy of that, and I'm thinking and for
Speaker 1: for the label. It's cool. Yeah, yeah, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 1: If I'm doing it for somebody specifically, you're not supposed
Speaker 1: to give away a copy of the ship, but again
Speaker 1: my nigger. So Um, I did a song called Flaws
Speaker 1: and All like the Gun again, Flaws and All. If
Speaker 1: anybody knows this record, Flaws and All, but it's Beyonce
Speaker 1: record now, But it started out as a Britney Spears record.
Speaker 1: I wrote the record for Britney Spears. Talk comes in
Speaker 1: listening shout out to my boy shor shout out ty talk.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, listen, listen to what me and she is doing.
Speaker 1: It's like, yo, let me get let me get a
Speaker 1: copy of that. I'm ride home to the ship whatever.
Speaker 1: Al Right, cool, yeah, whatever, we give them the ship nigga.
Speaker 1: Maybe a week later he was like, yeah, so that
Speaker 1: flaws on All ship. Yeah, don't put that into Brittany pack. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Beyonce is taking that. What what the fun? What? Wait?
Speaker 1: Yeah you know yeah, yeah, Beyonce is taking it. Don't worry, boy,
Speaker 1: don't worry. I don't worry about beyonest is taking that. So, um,
Speaker 1: what's the other one? What's the other one? Uh? Question
Speaker 1: exists question existence on Rihanna's Uh Good Girl Girl, Good Girl,
Speaker 1: Gone Bad album, another song that was supposed to go
Speaker 1: to Britney Spears. So Outside came in. It was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: let me get a copy of that. I'm ever just
Speaker 1: ride to it. Let me get a copy of that.
Speaker 1: A week later, he's like, yeah, that's that's on Rihanna ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: don't put that in the Brittney pack. That's Brianna Nigga.
Speaker 1: Every Beyonce is the replaceable was not for Britney Spears.
Speaker 1: I wrote that. I wrote that it for my everyplaceable.
Speaker 1: It must not know about me, sir, that one. That
Speaker 1: one wrote that for me. And that's sound good. It
Speaker 1: sound good. You didn't drink that tea, Honey, you alive?
Speaker 1: Text me to curse good. I love like you said.
Speaker 1: He was blown before, Like you don't have vocals before,
Speaker 1: and then I have not. The police don't hear my
Speaker 1: super ballot. Listen when you get ready, I'll let your
Speaker 1: boy ballots all that. No, but but yeah, Beyonce is
Speaker 1: a placeable. I wrote that ship to keep. Initially I
Speaker 1: wrote that ship for myself. Yeah, I mean the story
Speaker 1: is okay. So I grew up in the house with
Speaker 1: my mother, my grandmother, my sister, and five aunts all
Speaker 1: women until I was like sixteen, right, So I have
Speaker 1: one aunt in particular that was This was the aunt
Speaker 1: that had a new boyfriend like every fucking month. Every month.
Speaker 1: It was, girl, I love him, he makes me feel
Speaker 1: he makes me right there to say the least. So
Speaker 1: this was then in the house that had a little
Speaker 1: bit more money than everybody else. She was by no
Speaker 1: means rich. She was living in the house with us. However,
Speaker 1: she had more money than everybody else. So when she
Speaker 1: started so when she bought a car for this dude,
Speaker 1: she bought a jag for this dude. Mind, you you
Speaker 1: are living in a house with seventeen other people and
Speaker 1: you bought a shag for this dude. It was so
Speaker 1: it was it was like it was the talk of
Speaker 1: the crib for like, mind, I'm like eight eight years old,
Speaker 1: but I remember this because every conversation, like like my
Speaker 1: mom and my grandma Aunties, they used to like commune
Speaker 1: in the kitchen, you know, get their little wine and
Speaker 1: you know, their their little reef and just just talk
Speaker 1: that this this is nineteen, this might be this be nicety, right,
Speaker 1: and they were just sitting just just talk about, you know,
Speaker 1: just what's going on, talking about her, Like you you
Speaker 1: you you're spending money on this dude. You didn't even
Speaker 1: got you, ain't got a jag? Which was wrong with you? Right?
Speaker 1: And I'm privy to all of this because I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm literally the only male in the carib So I'm
Speaker 1: sitting watching Time and Jerry, but all of this is
Speaker 1: going on. I have no idea that this ship is
Speaker 1: gonna be song lyrics later on in life. I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm just locking I'm just locking it in. So I
Speaker 1: remember when she found out that this dude was rolling
Speaker 1: around in that same jack But like with other bitches
Speaker 1: type ship, I remember, I was privy to all the
Speaker 1: conversations like girls, right, you're gonna be high. I ain't
Speaker 1: gonna I love you. But that ain't her name, that's
Speaker 1: her nickname because that no, no, no, that that's what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. You take a shot, cook y'all talk.
Speaker 1: I can take a shot. You can you can't leave
Speaker 1: cooking suddenly become the person that is not succumbing to
Speaker 1: pure preser all of a sudden, miss me, we got you?
Speaker 1: So I so the song is a true story, is
Speaker 1: a completely true story, like I remember, because I remember
Speaker 1: this dude. He stuck around just a little bit longer
Speaker 1: than everybody else, right, and he was always the dude
Speaker 1: that like, like wanted to rub your head when you
Speaker 1: come in the group. It's going on a little man,
Speaker 1: You'll get the hell off me, bro, know you. I
Speaker 1: feel like I did not like this dude because he
Speaker 1: was just trying so hard to be liked, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So I remember the day that he
Speaker 1: pulled up and mind you, because mind you, the auntie
Speaker 1: hasn't talked about it. Hold on, He's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know we're coming over tomorrow. Oh no, I got
Speaker 1: all this stuff in this box right here. Yeah, all
Speaker 1: his stuff is right here. So he pulls up. I'm
Speaker 1: watching Tom and Jerry walking in house. You do look
Speaker 1: rub my head was on America. Fuck me off that
Speaker 1: to this day, to this day, here part of you
Speaker 1: called trauma? You did you? You called trauma in my life?
Speaker 1: Did no? No? So so he go back in the
Speaker 1: room where where we're cookie at, and he's looking for
Speaker 1: something specifically, like baby, hey, where my mother jacket that.
Speaker 1: She's like, oh yeah, to the left, yeah, in that
Speaker 1: box right there, to the left of the closet. That's
Speaker 1: all your ship right there. And I'm like, mind you,
Speaker 1: I'm eight, So I'm like you so like they get
Speaker 1: into it. You know what I'm saying. You you roll
Speaker 1: around in the car and I bought you with this bit,
Speaker 1: and I'm just sitting there just soaking it all in.
Speaker 1: It's hilarious to me at this I'm eight years old.
Speaker 1: It's hilarious, is funny said, because I didn't like to
Speaker 1: snik in no way. So I'm like, I'm I'm enjoying
Speaker 1: the fact that he's getting it. Remember his name, I
Speaker 1: ain't ain't gonna ain't. I ain't gonna get his ning.
Speaker 1: Not now. You caused tarum in my life where I
Speaker 1: wear hats because of you know, give you know credit, bro. No.
Speaker 1: But so the cat, like I vividly recalled this cat
Speaker 1: walking out of the house with that box, with all
Speaker 1: this stuff, and they're talking about you don't never find
Speaker 1: a little you're like little you know up today, You'll
Speaker 1: never find somebody little you like me, And it's like
Speaker 1: and all the aunties just just laughing, just dying laughing.
Speaker 1: And I wanted to be a part of the laughter
Speaker 1: like I was. I was eight years old. I just
Speaker 1: it was joy in the house and I wanted to
Speaker 1: be a part of that joy. So I'm laughing too.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the hell I'm laughing, and I'm
Speaker 1: just laughing with them, and I remember so fast forward
Speaker 1: to Stargate, I mean the studio with him and they
Speaker 1: played me at the beginning. It's just just the guitar,
Speaker 1: the guitar sound that you hear on a replaceable. It's
Speaker 1: just that initially, and I'm like, I wanted to country
Speaker 1: ship today and like, yeah, let's try this. Saw some
Speaker 1: country ship. So I'm listening to this ship and for
Speaker 1: whatever reason that that that that image of old boy
Speaker 1: talking at the crib with this box, with this cardboard
Speaker 1: box with all this ship in it just pops into
Speaker 1: my head. So so I wrote the song and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, but but this was this was my Auntie story.
Speaker 1: Let me try to flip it to where it's like
Speaker 1: like I'm telling the girl to leave because she did
Speaker 1: some foul ship or whatever, like, yeah, let me try that.
Speaker 1: So I wrote it like that. I wrote it in
Speaker 1: first person, like it's me telling the girl, awesome, you
Speaker 1: must not know I can have another U in a minute.
Speaker 1: Matter of fact, she'll be here in a minute. But
Speaker 1: then I listened back to the ship and I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, at this point in life. The problem the
Speaker 1: majority of my fan basis female. Do chicks really want
Speaker 1: to hear me say I can have another U in
Speaker 1: a minute, matter of fact, she'll be here in a minute.
Speaker 1: Maybe not maybe not right? That's that? Yeah, like that
Speaker 1: that that ship comes across real mean, real misogynistic, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So but but then a little bit,
Speaker 1: a little bit, I'm sitting with starting and I'm like, yo, okay,
Speaker 1: so there's clearly something to this record, but this, this
Speaker 1: ship might not be for me, y'all. This we might
Speaker 1: need to we might need to get a female to
Speaker 1: sing this. Because if you take that same concept, that
Speaker 1: same lyric, I can have another U in a minute,
Speaker 1: matter of fact, he'll be here in a minute, and
Speaker 1: you give it. You let a chick sing, and it's
Speaker 1: it's it becomes empowering. You see a seeing women behind
Speaker 1: her with the fist of like, that's right, girl, we
Speaker 1: ain't gonna take it. Like you can see that ship.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, yeah, this, we might need to get
Speaker 1: this to a female. So basically, you sold men out,
Speaker 1: I mean, boyfriends and baby Daddy's all over the world
Speaker 1: was mad at me for a little while behind that ship.
Speaker 1: They was, they were let's listen all up. But at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, if I can't get if
Speaker 1: I can get in good with the smarter race, I'm
Speaker 1: problemnna do that. You can't. That's the start of this.
Speaker 1: That's that vision. I can't figure some sh out my wife,
Speaker 1: come and figure it out, because I was like, why
Speaker 1: the same ship? And then again, I can't hook up
Speaker 1: with Nintendo. You can't hook up with Nintendo. I don't
Speaker 1: know how to look up. I'm not the fact that
Speaker 1: you said Nintendo and not Xbox or he's still it
Speaker 1: speaks to the fact that you can't help Nintendo. Let's
Speaker 1: all good. You can't, so good, keep the like this
Speaker 1: is not worth Let's go on, let's go, Let's get
Speaker 1: that week guds going again. You met Michael Jackson. I
Speaker 1: met Michael Jackson. How was it? Um threal? Which Michael
Speaker 1: Jackson's What era of Michael Jackson is? I met my
Speaker 1: definitely white. I met Mike roughly eight months before he passed.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah, that's when you first met. That's for
Speaker 1: the first first minute that so I get a phone
Speaker 1: call one day my personal cell phone. I'm actually in
Speaker 1: the car en route to rehearsal because he was getting
Speaker 1: we was gearing up to get on tour. So I
Speaker 1: get a call. I answered. The call is an unknown
Speaker 1: I normally don't answer unknown numbers, like if I don't
Speaker 1: got you saved in my phone, enough with you. But
Speaker 1: I answered this one just because on a humbug. I'm
Speaker 1: in the car. Whatever, So I pick it up. Hello, Hi, Hey,
Speaker 1: who is this? It's Michael because it was a crank caller.
Speaker 1: Michael Who Michael Jackson? All right, click because clearly somebody's
Speaker 1: working with me at this click. Somebody messing with me, right,
Speaker 1: So within five minutes of that phone call, I get
Speaker 1: another phone call from my assistant. At this point, he's like, Yo,
Speaker 1: so um are you sitting down? I'm like, I'm in
Speaker 1: the car. We're talking about it. It's like, Yo, Michael
Speaker 1: Jackson is about to call you and talk to you
Speaker 1: about some music. I'm like about to call me or
Speaker 1: already called me like ten minutes ago. Down. Oh she
Speaker 1: didn't already call you? Yeah? I hung up in his thinking,
Speaker 1: hung up on, Michael, you're being late with this call, baby,
Speaker 1: hang up with Michael was so so he calls me back,
Speaker 1: and of course our front. I'm like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I was, I was, I was going under a bridge.
Speaker 1: We got this bad reception. But he was like he
Speaker 1: basically said, I would love to get in the studio
Speaker 1: and work with you. And I'm like, I'm literally not
Speaker 1: inside my body right now, Like, what do you want
Speaker 1: to work with me? Alright, cool, let's let's let's set
Speaker 1: it up. Let's get it together. You know there's people,
Speaker 1: call my people whatever. Whatever. He said, he wanted to meet.
Speaker 1: I want to I want to meet with you, and
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about the kind of
Speaker 1: music I want to produce. So we set it up.
Speaker 1: We set up to meet at Leo Cohen's shout out
Speaker 1: to Leo Cohen. Up set up to me that Leo
Speaker 1: Cohen's crib because he wanted to meet somewhere private out
Speaker 1: the way, you know what I'm saying. And I completely
Speaker 1: understood that York in New York Y, so I don't
Speaker 1: I don't know, you get details. So I go. I
Speaker 1: go to Leo Cohen's house, whichever one it was in
Speaker 1: at the time, right, you know, we chopped up for
Speaker 1: him and he's like, he's here, he's just just going.
Speaker 1: He put me in like a study, like because because
Speaker 1: it's Leo Cohen, so he has a study in his house.
Speaker 1: He's there, he's yeah, he answered the door. It's there.
Speaker 1: So he puts me in the study, which is like
Speaker 1: a room three times besides of this room just full
Speaker 1: of books. It's Leo Cohen. All right, cool. So Michael
Speaker 1: Jackson walks in. He has on an all black suit,
Speaker 1: sup sup shirt, whole suit, he Nigga. So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you, so I knew. I knew that Michael Jackson
Speaker 1: was like six ft tall, but like when he walked
Speaker 1: in the room, he's six ft tall. Michael jacks sick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's sixty six too big. His tall dude, Michael is
Speaker 1: a tall dude. Yeah right now, you didn't know that
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson was easily six ft tall. Yeah, tall dude.
Speaker 1: But when he walked in the room and Nigga was
Speaker 1: ten feet tall, Like like he walked in he had
Speaker 1: on these aviator the aviator glasses with the mirror joints though,
Speaker 1: like this ship that like the bike cops were like,
Speaker 1: you know, how fast you were going? Like them cops?
Speaker 1: He had on them ships right with the fucking with
Speaker 1: the with the whole ship on his wrist, like he
Speaker 1: broke his thumb with some ship. And he walks in
Speaker 1: and his first words to me are, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: you know what my favorite song of yours is? Now?
Speaker 1: Mind you? Tom stops at this moment because I'm like,
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson is asking me if I know what his
Speaker 1: favorite song? This is Michael, he had like like an
Speaker 1: arm break, like a break some ship. Like like, I'm saying,
Speaker 1: that's that's on the left hand, the whole joint on
Speaker 1: the right glove finger with the whole joint with didn't
Speaker 1: have that on. You didn't have it on, Okay, So
Speaker 1: mind you. He says to me, oh my god, you
Speaker 1: know what my favorite song of yours is, and then
Speaker 1: the nigga commences to singing the song. Please don't worry
Speaker 1: about me. I'm fine with the hand pop on the
Speaker 1: whole line. Now. I never felt like a twelve year
Speaker 1: old girl in my life. In that moment, I was
Speaker 1: a twelve year old girl. Did you compose yourself? I
Speaker 1: kept I kept it cool, And I'm like, this is Mike.
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't fan out of front of this
Speaker 1: nor hands. No, I cannot this is Michael fucking Jackson. No,
Speaker 1: I gotta, I gotta maintain. But inside it was oh
Speaker 1: my god, I say my music, it was that inside,
Speaker 1: But I kept on the inside, right, So we said
Speaker 1: we talked for about an hour and a half, which
Speaker 1: is about music in general and how choreography looks like
Speaker 1: he said, he said, choreo your feet now looks like Calistenics.
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, that's interesting. No, no, he
Speaker 1: was like. He was like, it's like people aren't dancing
Speaker 1: for the joy of dancing anymore. Like it looks it
Speaker 1: looks like a robix now. And I'm like, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: that's interesting. So so we talked about, you know, what
Speaker 1: he wanted to do with the next album, what he
Speaker 1: wanted to sound like the whole nine and uh, he
Speaker 1: gave me a phone number. So for the next like
Speaker 1: two weeks, I'm back and forth on the phone with
Speaker 1: Michael fucking Jackson. I'm sending him records. He's critiquing the records.
Speaker 1: They called me like, yo, I really love number three.
Speaker 1: Number three is so special, but I feel like the
Speaker 1: hook is just not right, Like if you just just
Speaker 1: just retouch the hook on number three, and like so
Speaker 1: so it's like about six records that me and Mike
Speaker 1: put together via just on the phone, just talking about
Speaker 1: the ship's right if she's to send in a hard driver.
Speaker 1: I've done nothing with him, but um, the plan was
Speaker 1: to get in and record these records after the so
Speaker 1: you saw the film, this is it. So after that tour,
Speaker 1: we were supposed to get in the record these records.
Speaker 1: And of course, you know, he passed before he even
Speaker 1: got a chance to do that tour. So yeah, so
Speaker 1: I still got the records. They're just sitting You're sitting
Speaker 1: waiting for me to figure out what the hell I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do with him. It's just it's never filed any
Speaker 1: of his no, no, no, so I saw it's all
Speaker 1: me on the vocals. But it's records that I wrote
Speaker 1: with Mike. The prep we was prepping them for him
Speaker 1: to get them after the tour. He died before the tour.
Speaker 1: We didn't get a chance to get him. So I
Speaker 1: got the records, and nothing feels right, if that makes sense, Like,
Speaker 1: it don't feel right to drop him as my own
Speaker 1: because I wrote them from Mike. Don't feel right to
Speaker 1: sell them because I wrote them from Mike. You know what,
Speaker 1: I mean, and I would never want the motherfucker to
Speaker 1: fix their mouth, to be like Neo trying to make
Speaker 1: some money off of Mike's name. If I just put
Speaker 1: them ships out like these as the records and me
Speaker 1: and Michael's gonna do before he passed, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? So so I would you sell it to
Speaker 1: like Chris Brown or something like that would be crazy.
Speaker 1: All the love in the world to Chris Brown, all
Speaker 1: of that, But these records were written for Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1: I'm not putting another voice on his records. I'm not
Speaker 1: doing it. I can't. I personally can't do it. I
Speaker 1: can't do it. I can't do it, and I and
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't doubt that that Chris or or
Speaker 1: Bruno Mars and some elements were smashed these ships, I
Speaker 1: don't doubt it at all. But the fact that I
Speaker 1: wrote them for Mike, intended for Mike and Mike's voice,
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't. I can't tell you my Mike story.
Speaker 1: I've never met Mike, but um for roll called me.
Speaker 1: This is the most exciting for Rolls every story man,
Speaker 1: and and It's and and It's life. He called me,
Speaker 1: and It's like, yo, Mike called us and said that
Speaker 1: he wants records from us. So it's like, yo, that's
Speaker 1: fucking dope. He said, we seen them all these fucking
Speaker 1: records and if it goes so, then were seen on
Speaker 1: these records. And then Mike gets on the phone with
Speaker 1: us and says, no, we don't want this, we want something.
Speaker 1: Nor we wild wrapped one, nor would wrap one. I
Speaker 1: want super Doug, but nor wouldn't rap on it. Don't
Speaker 1: You didn't know that till for real said it, right? No?
Speaker 1: I did not on the show. No, no, no, I
Speaker 1: knew that because he called He called me. He was like,
Speaker 1: how I would walk around knowing that. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, just having Mike reference from oh yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: taking a show that now, Yeah, thank you. Okay, look
Speaker 1: that's different. Yeah, that's different. That's yo. The whole Fellers.
Speaker 1: So it was crazy. The whole concept of the people
Speaker 1: comparing like Drake to Michael Jackson. People are preparing Chris
Speaker 1: to Michael Jackson. It's a compliment. It's an absolute compliment,
Speaker 1: and I hope the book has taken it as such. However,
Speaker 1: how dare you like the numbers that this man was
Speaker 1: doing at the time that he was doing them. Mind you,
Speaker 1: this is before YouTube, Spotify, all these different things that
Speaker 1: allows the whole world to get the music. At the
Speaker 1: same time, that ship didn't exist when Michael was doing
Speaker 1: what he was doing, and the numbers that he was doing,
Speaker 1: Like even if you matching Mike's numbers right now, it's like,
Speaker 1: you still can't compare NI because you're doing it right now.
Speaker 1: Do that in the eighties the video market, Come on,
Speaker 1: there is no comparison. That's not You can never say
Speaker 1: that talent ain't going to exist after Michael Jackson yet,
Speaker 1: sure of course. So let me just tell you. So.
Speaker 1: The funny thing is so all the records that he
Speaker 1: made for Mike, he gave the Justini I know I
Speaker 1: heard that, and and one of them the baby face,
Speaker 1: so it's crazy. And then he was basically telling me, Laurie,
Speaker 1: I need you to pick these beats for me, Like
Speaker 1: I had to kind of go pick the worst beats
Speaker 1: because because you know, I like, I like gangs, this,
Speaker 1: I like, you know what I mean. And that was
Speaker 1: an honor though it was it was it was a
Speaker 1: real honor. But I never got to meet Mike. At
Speaker 1: least you got to know that Mike was sitting somewhere
Speaker 1: in the world like I need something like this, call it,
Speaker 1: then call it. There's no bigger accolade than that. But
Speaker 1: that might be the best Michael Jackson depression. Other people tried,
Speaker 1: but I believed him. Just now listen, this is this
Speaker 1: is the machine. We are trying to get everyone in
Speaker 1: the room high because we are good people and I'm not.
Speaker 1: Can I tell you how genius of a concept this
Speaker 1: whole show is because you you already know you're dealing
Speaker 1: with artists, artists coming in there with the politically correct like,
Speaker 1: let me they got, they got The answer to your
Speaker 1: question is already set, like I'm gonna say this as
Speaker 1: to not to say that, and you get him a
Speaker 1: fucking and you get him drunk. You listen, you're gonna
Speaker 1: say the real ship the girls want, not you don't
Speaker 1: talk to real ship. Genius concept. But by the way,
Speaker 1: me and him was in the locker room with you guys,
Speaker 1: I mean, work your records. I worked for them, Jim.
Speaker 1: So he's a real real DJ, re create DJ motherfuckers
Speaker 1: with the c driving you know what I mean. He's
Speaker 1: that type of any gigs who worked your records to
Speaker 1: the part of the Street Team. Nowords too as well.
Speaker 1: So now only is a DJ. He he ran the
Speaker 1: street team. So and then me, I was, I'm a
Speaker 1: real artist. Like I'm a real artist. I don't know
Speaker 1: what I got platform blacks, you know what. I don't
Speaker 1: want to reproduce your fan So I'm fancies. Don't tell
Speaker 1: me you staff somebody to come porn. I mean I
Speaker 1: thought about it. You heard of many that may consider right,
Speaker 1: but now I didn't go there. But so that's the
Speaker 1: reason why. Like, and you know what it is. Oh,
Speaker 1: bring it on, bring it on rental. It's gonna make
Speaker 1: him talk more. Yeah, the way you do it is hilarious. Yea.
Speaker 1: I need one of them ships at the crib bl
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I need I need this
Speaker 1: ship set up to the A C system in my house.
Speaker 1: A C. Oh. So when you walk in my house,
Speaker 1: no choice but to take the shoes. He went to
Speaker 1: the room. He went to the room, cleanse the rooms.
Speaker 1: At this stage, Nig's gonna be in the house. Honest.
Speaker 1: I don't know why. I don't know why. I just
Speaker 1: gotta tell you the truth right now. Then we gotta
Speaker 1: take a shot. Yo. I was having a uh, I
Speaker 1: was having a conversation just recently, what somebody about about
Speaker 1: the state of R and B. State of R and B.
Speaker 1: You know, the album is out, so everybody want to
Speaker 1: talk to me about the state of R and B.
Speaker 1: And I had I had a realization, like in the
Speaker 1: in the midst of this of this question. So you
Speaker 1: know that, like right this second, hip hop is the
Speaker 1: biggest genre of music in the world period, in the world,
Speaker 1: right and it's been that for like the last few years.
Speaker 1: So when that happened, because before that it was like
Speaker 1: what it was rock or country or some ship. But
Speaker 1: then it then it happened with hip hop, and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, every other genre gets the hip
Speaker 1: hop makeover. Now we got trap country records, you know, everything,
Speaker 1: everything has gotten trap country basically. That's that's I mean,
Speaker 1: that's how it started. I don't know what you call
Speaker 1: him now, but that's how it started. So it occurred
Speaker 1: to me that like, yo, everything got like a hip
Speaker 1: hop makeover. When hip hop became the most special genre
Speaker 1: of music on the face of the planet, R and
Speaker 1: B included, and you look at the new generational R
Speaker 1: and B and what and how they do what they do.
Speaker 1: And mind you, some people have issue with today's R
Speaker 1: and B because it don't feel like R and B
Speaker 1: in the nineties and nineties was the last time R
Speaker 1: and B had its own identity like traditional, It wasn't
Speaker 1: the ugly cousin of hip hop right kind of what
Speaker 1: it is now. So but you look at the new
Speaker 1: the new generation that's coming up, and you look at
Speaker 1: what they're coming coming up on. They're coming up on
Speaker 1: hip hop. So of course that even they R and
Speaker 1: B is gonna feel like hip hop because they came
Speaker 1: up looking up to the hip hop niggas. So you
Speaker 1: know when people actually like the whole concept of the
Speaker 1: vulnerability of R and B and what that was like
Speaker 1: we we we came up in the air where niggas
Speaker 1: was begging on the record and that was what it was.
Speaker 1: That was what it was like, Baby baby please was
Speaker 1: what it was. You know what I'm saying, We're singing
Speaker 1: and the wife beat up like this is what it was.
Speaker 1: But these young cast is coming up off of the
Speaker 1: hip hop niggas. They want to be that, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's like, all right, I say, and
Speaker 1: I gotta be that. And that's a blurry line something
Speaker 1: I'm not even saying. The R and B. They straight
Speaker 1: rapping with auto tune, really right, it's rapping to a melody,
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of the R and B
Speaker 1: right now. But but it's like, I can't be mad
Speaker 1: at them because I have to look at where they're
Speaker 1: coming from, what they're coming up, listening to who they're
Speaker 1: coming up on. Hip Hop became the biggest genre music
Speaker 1: in the world, so not everybody is paying paying attention
Speaker 1: to hip hop. So no matter what genre you doing,
Speaker 1: you got hip hop right here. So even if it's
Speaker 1: if it's country, if it's R and B, if it's
Speaker 1: if it's if it's uh, if it's Spanish, whatever the fuck,
Speaker 1: it's going to have a hip hop element to it
Speaker 1: because everybody sucks with hip hop. Take a selfies, what happened? No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no. So I can't be mad at these names
Speaker 1: for that. I can't be mad because cats ain't singing
Speaker 1: the way they were singing when I was coming up.
Speaker 1: You know, I grew up on fucking boys man in
Speaker 1: jeto see. And you also sunk in church a little bit,
Speaker 1: a little bit like church, like church. No disrespected church,
Speaker 1: no respected religion in Christian Christianity would have a m
Speaker 1: I went to church with my grandmother because I had
Speaker 1: to go to church with my grandmother because she was
Speaker 1: not accepting the kids not being in church on Sunday.
Speaker 1: I am a spiritual person. I believe in God. I
Speaker 1: don't so much lock into commercial religion, not really, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I know that God exists. I
Speaker 1: know that there's a power higher than myself. I know
Speaker 1: that I felt a hand on my back though my
Speaker 1: entire life. You know what I'm saying, so many different
Speaker 1: situations where I was supposed to be sucked up and
Speaker 1: I wasn't because of his hand on my back. Right,
Speaker 1: So I know that that exists. The fine print of
Speaker 1: it is where it is where it gets questionable to me,
Speaker 1: because I know that the nature of man, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, and and and man is about control,
Speaker 1: is about power. And if I can say something to
Speaker 1: you that's gonna make you let me control you, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say that as the human being. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So, so that's so that's what makes me
Speaker 1: go spirituality, God, Sure, Christianity, UH, Catholicism. All of these
Speaker 1: these commercial choices, all of these, all of these businesses. Ye,
Speaker 1: I'm in, but I'm not in, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna never show on what nobody believes. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. At the at the end of that,
Speaker 1: if it's if it's making you smile, rock by all
Speaker 1: means rock, and who am I to take that from you?
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I'm not going to sit
Speaker 1: up and feel like my destiny, vert uh past, this
Speaker 1: life is determined on whether or not I apply to
Speaker 1: your fucking program, you know what I mean? Like it
Speaker 1: ain't it ain't that for me. I'll talk to guy personally.
Speaker 1: I'll sit by myself and talk to God. I don't
Speaker 1: need to go to your building every Sunday and put
Speaker 1: on my Sunday best and watch the women in the
Speaker 1: hats talk crazy about me when I walk away, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't have to do that. I don't have to
Speaker 1: give you ten percent of what the hell I what
Speaker 1: the hell I worked hard for to prove that I
Speaker 1: believe in a higher power. That's not that's not necessary.
Speaker 1: As parts of the Bible that will tell you churches
Speaker 1: two or three four two three, two or three and
Speaker 1: joined in my presence. That's church. Church could be your money.
Speaker 1: Gotta go over there. Yeah, I do all that. I
Speaker 1: ain't gotta sit back and feel judged by y'all because
Speaker 1: I ain't been here in months. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's like you see Neo in here praise God whenever
Speaker 1: the last time we saw him praise God. I'm not.
Speaker 1: I don't got to sit through that. I ain't got
Speaker 1: to deal with all that. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Me and my wife, my kids will sit down and
Speaker 1: pray and then have a conversation about the higher power.
Speaker 1: And that's the church. Were good good, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. That's me go back to your training. Thought
Speaker 1: though you were talking about, Oh yeah, I'm drunk, so
Speaker 1: I'm under tangent. What was I talking? You were talking
Speaker 1: about like that. You grew up on Jody C Boys
Speaker 1: de Man, right, I grew up on R and B Cats.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Jody C was in leather
Speaker 1: in the desert talking about I'll cry for you and
Speaker 1: then got on stage at the MTVV the Music Awards
Speaker 1: and masks and machete's like this Thuggist ship. Ever, Stuggists
Speaker 1: R and B Ever, however, and Niggas was like, do
Speaker 1: you believe in love and the power that it gives? Right?
Speaker 1: I grew up on that. I didn't grow up on
Speaker 1: what some of the newer generation is coming up on it.
Speaker 1: So I can't fault them for the way that they
Speaker 1: do what they do because they're following the ship that
Speaker 1: inspired in them, you know what I mean. Like people
Speaker 1: are like, how do you feel about what do you
Speaker 1: feel about the state of R and B right now?
Speaker 1: And I think back to like my uncle's and how
Speaker 1: my uncle's used to run up on me and my friends,
Speaker 1: Like that ain't real music now, listen is bullshit? You
Speaker 1: just listen to listen to that, And it's like I've
Speaker 1: become my uncle's to my son's, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like I'm listening to what they listening to like a
Speaker 1: ship what they are right now? My old my older
Speaker 1: son is nine. He's weird. So it's some other some
Speaker 1: other ship. But it's not music to me. It's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: so there's there's some game and I'm about to give
Speaker 1: your props. You should send me a check. Uh, there's
Speaker 1: this game called Friday Night Funking, right it's a it's
Speaker 1: a video game. But in the video game, the characters
Speaker 1: are quote unquote battle rapping against each other. But it's
Speaker 1: no lyrics. It ain't even words. It's just sounds and
Speaker 1: beeps and ship. Yeah. And my son's loves this ship
Speaker 1: to where they feel like this is a battle rap
Speaker 1: and I'm like, son, just so lost, oh so lost,
Speaker 1: but they love this ship and I'm like, that is
Speaker 1: not battle rap. What are you doing? What are you
Speaker 1: And and instantly I'm like, oh ship, I'm My uncle's
Speaker 1: sitting listening to me and my friends listen to what
Speaker 1: we listened to, like Nigga, that ain't music, earth fire
Speaker 1: if it's legit just noises. That's not being uncle, mind
Speaker 1: you mind you to my uncle's What I was listening
Speaker 1: to at the time was just just I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: I think of a Niggai group on Earth win and
Speaker 1: fire and listening to dos effects, no no facts. That's yeah,
Speaker 1: that makes sense, you feel me so so so it's
Speaker 1: it's the same thing. It's secular. All this ship happens
Speaker 1: in cycles. I'm looking at my son's like, yo, that
Speaker 1: ain't music, And instantly my uncle's popping in the back
Speaker 1: of my head, like, Yo, that ain't music, and I'm like, fuck,
Speaker 1: it's music to him. It's music to him, And what
Speaker 1: the funk he decided to do with music behind? This
Speaker 1: is going to come from this inspiration and I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't shoot on him for that. I
Speaker 1: can't talk. I can't talk bad. I can't talk down
Speaker 1: for him for that because that's my uncle's talking down
Speaker 1: for me, down to me for listening to the docs
Speaker 1: effects talking the far side of ship, like when he
Speaker 1: was on Earth, Wind and Fire and all of that.
Speaker 1: So I can't. I can't fault him for it. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, I can also go, you know what, Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, that's music, but this is music too, the
Speaker 1: way your mom and your aunt put on the exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: So that's that's the that's the place I'm taking right now.
Speaker 1: But just to hold just to sit back and realize
Speaker 1: that this ship is secular. Like like, so, I got
Speaker 1: five kids. My oldest is twelve, my girls twelve, my
Speaker 1: youngest is one, and I find myself saying things to
Speaker 1: my kids that my mama said said to me, like
Speaker 1: the second I said it's like, yo, I remember this
Speaker 1: to the point we're like, I gotta call my mom Like, yo, yo,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I apologize because you was literally just really
Speaker 1: just trying to figure it out, like just trying to
Speaker 1: make it make sense as you went alone, Like you
Speaker 1: was really on that because I'm in this ship, like, oh,
Speaker 1: how do I in this climate make sure that my
Speaker 1: young prince understands that he's a young prince? You feel me?
Speaker 1: How do I do that right now when when he's
Speaker 1: being bombarded with everything else? Like how do I do that?
Speaker 1: And so so. Yeah, I literally had to call my
Speaker 1: mom ast Yo. I appreciate the way that you made
Speaker 1: it make sense, even if it barely made sense to
Speaker 1: you in the moment, you made it make sense to me.
Speaker 1: And I appreciate that because I'm going through it right
Speaker 1: now and that ship is hard. It's hard. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm drunk. You're living living at different times. Yo. Bob's
Speaker 1: cart telling a spice flipped your miss independent. Yeah, did
Speaker 1: you clear it? I didn't not clear it, but the
Speaker 1: star the streets cleared it right away, which which made
Speaker 1: it virtually impossible for me to not clear it even
Speaker 1: if I was thinking about not clearing it, which, by
Speaker 1: the way, I was never thinking about not clearing it.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, first and foremost, before the song was presented
Speaker 1: to me, the concept of vibes Cartel and who he
Speaker 1: was was presented to me like this is that dude?
Speaker 1: Oh and by the way, he did this with your song.
Speaker 1: It was presented to me like that. So I'm like, so,
Speaker 1: what are we talking about right now? Of course it's fine.
Speaker 1: Why would I have a problem with this? To this day,
Speaker 1: I can't, like you know, I can't be over there
Speaker 1: and perform misindependent without showing, without giving props to what
Speaker 1: the funk he did? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: like you created a whole another vibe and essence off
Speaker 1: of this ship that I was trying to do. I
Speaker 1: got give you love for that. Yeah. Like, uh, I
Speaker 1: think his name is a Monti White, Mony White. He
Speaker 1: did my song over nothing on boy Um and I
Speaker 1: co signed it to you. You gotta have to bro,
Speaker 1: you gotta realize it's a whole. It's it's generations coming
Speaker 1: behind you, like generations on generations on generations, and if
Speaker 1: you decide to not let nobody funk with what you
Speaker 1: did because it's what you did, and you can have
Speaker 1: this pride about it. Them generations don't get it. Them
Speaker 1: generations don't get to experience it. They don't get to
Speaker 1: enjoy it. They don't get to they don't get to
Speaker 1: know who Noriega was, you know what. But but but
Speaker 1: I don't always co sign everything. I mean, of course
Speaker 1: I can't lie to you. I can't look at you're
Speaker 1: looking for. I can't because there's been a certain records
Speaker 1: that sample like there's certain people that be like, yo,
Speaker 1: this is this is no real or whatever, and they're
Speaker 1: trying to like like immulate me, and I don't like it,
Speaker 1: but they shouldn't that. Why would you okay some ship
Speaker 1: that that's a whacker version of what you did? Why
Speaker 1: I wouldn't do if certain records I do love um
Speaker 1: Um Flow right of the artists she did, super dog Over,
Speaker 1: I approved it, um Amani White Billy Irish, I approved it.
Speaker 1: But let us say everything does that like I hate
Speaker 1: when someone touches bad from TV. From TV is my
Speaker 1: record with Big Pun. Pun will never be able to
Speaker 1: come and redo this again. So why the fund would
Speaker 1: you do it? Yeah? You know what I'm saying, So
Speaker 1: don't touch So I won't. I won't if anything from
Speaker 1: bad from TV, I won't clear if Beyonce sample man
Speaker 1: from TV is good he got do you know right now,
Speaker 1: y'all such and such from whatever? Not but that But
Speaker 1: that's also what I like though. I like when a
Speaker 1: person take the record and make it their own. When
Speaker 1: they take it and try to remake minds, that's what
Speaker 1: makes me angry. Same ships like, So, I rather you
Speaker 1: take it and you don't reproduce it like like like
Speaker 1: remix it or complimented like make something else. No, So
Speaker 1: it's it's the plight of it's the plight of a
Speaker 1: a songwriter that is also an artist, which you know,
Speaker 1: back day every hip hop artist was. If you was
Speaker 1: writing your own lyrics, you're a songwriter and an artist, right.
Speaker 1: So somebody come along and want to sample something that
Speaker 1: you did. If you're not gonna take it and take
Speaker 1: if you're not gonna bring it to another level, leave
Speaker 1: it the funk alone, Because why would I ever want
Speaker 1: the last memory of my ship to be the whack
Speaker 1: ship that you created? Why would I ever want that
Speaker 1: to be? Nah? I wanted to when they think of
Speaker 1: my ship, I don't want them to think of the
Speaker 1: greatness that I brought to it. Now, if you're gonna
Speaker 1: add to that greatness, yeah, rock out ba all means,
Speaker 1: but you ain't for to bring my ship down. It
Speaker 1: ain't gonna lead people back to the rand. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, I used to funk with this song and
Speaker 1: it's such as sample and I was like, fun that
Speaker 1: song that happened. That's true, that's real. I'm like real ship.
Speaker 1: So as a songwriter, I always respect the artists that's
Speaker 1: gonna take this ship and make it their's Beyonce. Like,
Speaker 1: if you listen to my demo of Irreplaceable and listen
Speaker 1: to Beyonce is Irreplaceable, you hear slight differences, you'll hear
Speaker 1: the nuances that make that ship a Beyonce record. Right,
Speaker 1: she didn't follow what I did to the fucking t
Speaker 1: because for all that, nigga, let me keep it and
Speaker 1: let me just do it myself. So I always have,
Speaker 1: I always have. I've always had the utmost respect for
Speaker 1: the artist is gonna take it and make it. There's
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, it's don't don't don't
Speaker 1: don't do it just for the fucking take of doing it,
Speaker 1: because you're working with my legacy. Like that. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Like the last time somebody heard my
Speaker 1: ship was on some white ass remix. That's something did
Speaker 1: because he just felt felt like it. No, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not rocking with Da Nola's time you heard a
Speaker 1: remix of my ship was something that Beyonce touched. Mie
Speaker 1: Floss Life Floss. Yeah, you know what I mean. Difference.
Speaker 1: How about Prince You ever met Prince? Yes? Yes, yes, Lesten.
Speaker 1: I live on this planet, in this and in this
Speaker 1: realm of reality with everybody else. Prince could fly. I
Speaker 1: don't get with nobody. Everyone says this motherfucker could deny,
Speaker 1: could defy gravity anyone. Everyone said so. It's right after
Speaker 1: Year and a Gentleman, which was my biggest album ever,
Speaker 1: right next album Leabre Scale. I go into the label,
Speaker 1: I tell them, yo, I want to do like a
Speaker 1: thirty minute like mini movie and let the album be
Speaker 1: the soundtrack to the movie. And they're like, Yo, that's
Speaker 1: a dope idea, let's do it. Mind you this. I'm
Speaker 1: fresh off the heels of Red Tails. I did red
Speaker 1: Sales with with George Lucas Life Flex, and then I
Speaker 1: did uh Battles with George Lucas George star Wars. George
Speaker 1: Lucas said, I want to pick up the Red Tails,
Speaker 1: the Tuskegee Airman, the Black, the Black Fleet of fighters
Speaker 1: in the Air Force. So he did Red Tails and
Speaker 1: then let me be a part of that, and that
Speaker 1: she was amazing. She was beautiful. So I'm fresh off
Speaker 1: the hills of that, and I come into the label excited, like, Yo,
Speaker 1: I'm off this movie ship. I want to do some
Speaker 1: movie ship. I want to do like a thirty minute
Speaker 1: movie and let the album beet the soundtrack. This is
Speaker 1: what lever Scale was supposed to be. What I didn't
Speaker 1: realize that in the realm of screen and script writing,
Speaker 1: a page equates to a minute, right, so one page
Speaker 1: is one minute. I told him I want to do
Speaker 1: like a thirty minute mini movie. I brought them a
Speaker 1: script with a hundred forty five pages in it. It
Speaker 1: was like, that's that's that's not a mini movie to
Speaker 1: teach your film what what the funk are you doing?
Speaker 1: So my mind, I didn't know. I didn't know this.
Speaker 1: So I learned that through that process. Al right, cool.
Speaker 1: So I had to take this hun of forty five
Speaker 1: pages and busted down the thirty. By the time I
Speaker 1: figured out how to do that, the clock is ticking.
Speaker 1: We gotta get this ship out. We don't have time
Speaker 1: to cast and shoot a whole fucking movie for thirty minutes.
Speaker 1: So all right, let's do Let's do six long form videos. Right.
Speaker 1: So you got you got Champagne Life, you got uh,
Speaker 1: you got beautiful Monster, you got one in a million.
Speaker 1: One are the million ins with it to be continued.
Speaker 1: That never continues because Devin jam was like, Nigga, we
Speaker 1: don't give you no more money for this ship, Like
Speaker 1: this is nuts because mind you, I'm literally just do
Speaker 1: I'm figuring it out as I go along, right, and
Speaker 1: they rock you with me. They let me do it
Speaker 1: because like you're the Genleman was like, I ain't get
Speaker 1: what you wanna do, and and I'm just really figuring
Speaker 1: the ship out as I go. So the album didn't
Speaker 1: perform well, you know, and the singles did I but
Speaker 1: the album didn't perform when I was fucked up about it.
Speaker 1: That same year, we get invited to Prince's Grammy party.
Speaker 1: Prince used to throw a party at his house for
Speaker 1: the Grammys. Every everything purple. There was a lot of
Speaker 1: purple there was an I'll say there was an overabundance
Speaker 1: of purple, and not everything was purple. But if it
Speaker 1: was ten ships in the room, not at them ships
Speaker 1: was purple. Anyway, So I go to we go to
Speaker 1: the party. We're in the pool house, right because it's paid,
Speaker 1: it's it's the spot, and in this pool house and
Speaker 1: there's like a plex glass ship or we're literally standing
Speaker 1: on top of the swimming pool. And I just think
Speaker 1: this is the coolest ship ever because I'm a little
Speaker 1: green at this point. But anyway, Prince is on the
Speaker 1: stage with his band rocking out, just just all some
Speaker 1: freestyle and just rocking out, crooning, just just rocking out
Speaker 1: and playing his guitar. He sees me, he puts his
Speaker 1: guitar down and be line straight to me. He gets
Speaker 1: right up on my ear because because this is how
Speaker 1: Prince speaks to you. If you've ever talked, if you've
Speaker 1: ever spoken to Prince, you know this. He'll get real
Speaker 1: close so that he don't gotta talk real loud. He
Speaker 1: got right up on my air and he said Leebra
Speaker 1: Scale was a good album and don't let anybody tell
Speaker 1: you different, and walked away and say ship to me
Speaker 1: for the rest of the night. That's all they say
Speaker 1: to me. The whole night. I was fucked up about
Speaker 1: Leabra Scale, like I really wanted it to be really
Speaker 1: good and it wasn't good, and it was it was
Speaker 1: performing poorly the whole nine and you know, the label
Speaker 1: is trying to be nice about ship, but the ship
Speaker 1: is not working. He walked up to me and was like, yo,
Speaker 1: Libra Scale is a good album, and don't let anybody
Speaker 1: tell you different. I was like, nig we could go
Speaker 1: double wood. I don't give a fuck. Prince said that
Speaker 1: this is a good album straight princess, so I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: That was a great moment. That's that's that's one print story.
Speaker 1: I really wasn't trying to get you to take another shot.
Speaker 1: We gotta take a shot to that print story. We
Speaker 1: have to take the shot. Print story. I'm sorry, I'm
Speaker 1: sorry you disrespect for this because you know what, Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take and then went the whole was like,
Speaker 1: but now self explanatory, I'm gonna take a piss, guys,
Speaker 1: I'll be back. That's the most humbling, disrespectful statement that
Speaker 1: it's humble because it's like, yeah, I shouldn't know but
Speaker 1: it's disrespectful because it's like straight up, straight up and
Speaker 1: that was the intend um did I hit it on?
Speaker 1: Pretty much? Okay? So I called. I called the album
Speaker 1: for a couple of reasons. As as I said earlier
Speaker 1: in this in this whole situation, I've always prided myself
Speaker 1: on my my products speaking for itself. I don't got
Speaker 1: to sit here and sell you on what the funk
Speaker 1: I do. I don't got to sit him brag to
Speaker 1: you about what I've done. I can push play and
Speaker 1: that is going to be enough for you to understand
Speaker 1: who I am, what I am, how I am, how
Speaker 1: I rocked right. So that and then on top of that,
Speaker 1: I think it's been it's been sixteen, it's been almost
Speaker 1: twenty years at this point. Do you really need like
Speaker 1: a full on explanation to a neo album at this
Speaker 1: point in the game, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: it's like, neo music is music to live life too,
Speaker 1: write be it be it the nigga you just broke
Speaker 1: up with, or the chicken just broke up with, or
Speaker 1: the new love that you just found, or it's Sunday
Speaker 1: and you just want to clean the crib or it's
Speaker 1: Saturday and you're gearing up to go out and turn up.
Speaker 1: There's not an aspect of life that you can name
Speaker 1: that you can't put a neo song too and allow
Speaker 1: that song to be the soundtrack to that moment. And
Speaker 1: that's and that's how I rock, and that's how I've
Speaker 1: always rocked, and this album is kind of a celebration
Speaker 1: of that. Straight up. My flexes light blow, my flexes light.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna you know, I don't gotta point the
Speaker 1: diamonds out, but when you see him, goddamn you feel me.
Speaker 1: That's what I said. I gotta put it out. Any
Speaker 1: song that you wrote for somebody and gave him and
Speaker 1: that you regretted that, I was like, damn. This is
Speaker 1: a question that has been popping up a lot lately,
Speaker 1: and I can only think of, really and truly one
Speaker 1: instance where it happened like that. And I don't like
Speaker 1: talking about it because people like to take ship and
Speaker 1: turn it into hate. And I'm not hating because I
Speaker 1: love this nigga. You know what I'm saying. This is
Speaker 1: my guy shout out to my man Luke James. We
Speaker 1: did a record together, right, well, mind you, we didn't
Speaker 1: necessarily do a record together. It was a record that
Speaker 1: I wrote, and he fused with it, and he was
Speaker 1: like and he sucked with his people fun with it.
Speaker 1: It was like, Yo, let's let's cut this on Luke James, right,
Speaker 1: And I was all for it because Luke James one
Speaker 1: of the dopest voices right now period. The nigga is dope.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, yeah, let's do it. So the song
Speaker 1: was the way that I did. The song was in
Speaker 1: a key and a pitch higher then Luke James regularly sings.
Speaker 1: So they took the song and they dropped it down
Speaker 1: to a key that was comfortable for Luke James. Now,
Speaker 1: anybody that knows anything about music, when you take a
Speaker 1: song and you dropped the key, you take a city,
Speaker 1: you take a little bit of energy from the record,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And in the case of this,
Speaker 1: it was exactly that. It was like what the record
Speaker 1: was versus what the record became. It just wasn't as good,
Speaker 1: And I felt away because I'm like, fun man, for
Speaker 1: all of that, we could have just gotten a lab
Speaker 1: and did some did something from scratch, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Because again, a funk with Luke James's my guy.
Speaker 1: The name of the joint was was making Love to Me?
Speaker 1: And if you listen to my demo of it and
Speaker 1: then you listen to his version of it, you see
Speaker 1: how many keys they dropped it down, and it just
Speaker 1: it just didn't make the song work for what it
Speaker 1: was supposed to be, you know what I mean. So again,
Speaker 1: all love to Luke James. This is not a dead Okay,
Speaker 1: fuck any blog that's trying to turn this into a disc.
Speaker 1: It's not that I got love for Luke James. I
Speaker 1: love that dude, but that particular song just didn't become
Speaker 1: what it should have been. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Is that a risk? Because when you write a song
Speaker 1: for somebody, is it is it? Is it you laying
Speaker 1: your your vocals down and then sending it to them
Speaker 1: Because if this ever comes out, now, this is your
Speaker 1: what do they call that ship? Uh? Your reference track?
Speaker 1: So it has that ever been a problem for you
Speaker 1: because you gotta you gotta realize like hip hop and
Speaker 1: hip hop, because if I don't move them and being
Speaker 1: myself could have done at the same time, look at
Speaker 1: me crazy. Let's just let's just take the band aid
Speaker 1: off the thing right, UM and R and B yes,
Speaker 1: you know um having someone help you with your your stuff.
Speaker 1: It's not not at all, But so is that? Has
Speaker 1: that ever been a problem for you? Like you're sitting
Speaker 1: in reference tracks and maybe the engineer got mad at
Speaker 1: somebody and sent it out. Now, the version that Neo
Speaker 1: just did for Selee Dion, it's out there, and it's
Speaker 1: Neo's version as opposed to Slean Dion's version. Like I'll
Speaker 1: just give your example. Have you ever had a ranto
Speaker 1: a problem? Like? Um, it never became a problem, but
Speaker 1: it was a It was a lesson to learn in
Speaker 1: the realm of uh songwriting and trying to shop records.
Speaker 1: So if I write a record, right, I I can sing.
Speaker 1: So if I write a record, I'm gonna sing the
Speaker 1: reference to that record. Not every songwriter right can sing
Speaker 1: get somebody else to sing it. But the smart songwriter
Speaker 1: is gonna tell the person referencing the record to keep
Speaker 1: it as basic and minimal as humanly possible. Because what
Speaker 1: you don't want to do, You don't want to outsing
Speaker 1: the pression that you're trying to shop it to you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like you want to you want
Speaker 1: to keep and you want to keep it in a
Speaker 1: realm where the person listening to it can hear whether
Speaker 1: they can bring to it in order to make it
Speaker 1: their record. You know, if you're going there and you're
Speaker 1: doing all the libs and you're singing this ship like you,
Speaker 1: like you're trying to audition for the Ship to be
Speaker 1: your record, you're probably not gonna sell that joint. Even
Speaker 1: if it's dope, even if it's amazing, You're not gonna
Speaker 1: sell that record because nobody's gonna listen to it and
Speaker 1: be able to hear themselves on it. They can only
Speaker 1: hear you, right, So it's only it's only ever really
Speaker 1: been that, you know. I had to I had to
Speaker 1: learn that. Uh. I had to learn that early on
Speaker 1: because in the beginning writing the record, I'm excited about
Speaker 1: the ship and I'm singing that, I'm doing the harmonies
Speaker 1: and the lives and I'm doing this ship like like
Speaker 1: it could potentially be my record, to where it's like
Speaker 1: people people are listening to it and giving it the
Speaker 1: love and giving it the respect, but nobody wants to
Speaker 1: buy it because it's like this, this is your record,
Speaker 1: this is you, you know what I mean. So it's
Speaker 1: always only been that. That's that that type of situation.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about crazy with jay Z. How man, how'm
Speaker 1: this happened? Oh so so l a read signed me
Speaker 1: to death Jam And it was right when jay Z
Speaker 1: had become president of Death Chance. Jay Z is president,
Speaker 1: he's my friend. I can say he took anybody the whole.
Speaker 1: He took the whole label budget, and nobody had a
Speaker 1: budget of that. Dog. I just so. I mean when
Speaker 1: I when I first met jay Z, uh when I
Speaker 1: first got to deal and I don't mean where then was.
Speaker 1: I think it was in the l A office and
Speaker 1: I walked to the age to jay Z and I,
Speaker 1: you know, I extend my hand and he he shakes
Speaker 1: my hand. But his first words to me it was like, Nigga,
Speaker 1: why you get that song away? I don't. And he's
Speaker 1: talking about Marios. You should let me love you like Nicka,
Speaker 1: Why you get that song away? Not hey, how you doing?
Speaker 1: Welcome to the label, none of that ship. Nigga, why
Speaker 1: you get that song away? It was that and and
Speaker 1: and that kind of like set the set the tone
Speaker 1: for like our entire relationship. Like jay Z has always
Speaker 1: been that dude that's gonna just keep it funky about whatever,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. That was a point where
Speaker 1: I was questioning, questioning my worth and my value in
Speaker 1: the game because I hadn't reached the level of some
Speaker 1: of some of my peers. And he and jay Z
Speaker 1: said to me, He's like, Nigga, you will never not
Speaker 1: be all right because you can always right yourself out
Speaker 1: of whatever situation. Regardless of what's going on with you.
Speaker 1: You can always right your way out like you have.
Speaker 1: You have that. It's cats out here that couldn't write
Speaker 1: a song that will sing, that will sing the ship
Speaker 1: out of a song, but couldn't write a song if
Speaker 1: their life depending on it, That person is depending on
Speaker 1: somebody to write a song for them. You're not that
Speaker 1: and you will never be that dude, So you'll never
Speaker 1: be fucked up. You'll never be in a position that
Speaker 1: you can't get out of. And like I took that
Speaker 1: ship to heart, you know what I mean, Like he
Speaker 1: like he's he's always been that dude to me, Like
Speaker 1: I'm doing yeah, yeah, reasons to take shots, Like I'm
Speaker 1: sitting over here trying to be cordial, but you over here,
Speaker 1: like listen, there there's a reason that I got to
Speaker 1: the levels that I got to because I had some
Speaker 1: of the most amazing motherfucker's in my corner in my
Speaker 1: ear telling me how to move, you know, from from
Speaker 1: jay Z to l A. Reid to you know, to
Speaker 1: my Nigga Tango to Sean like it was it was
Speaker 1: people around me that genuinely wanted to see me win.
Speaker 1: And I feel like that's rare nowadays, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I had people in my corner that was like, Nah,
Speaker 1: we want to see this dude get there, and we're
Speaker 1: gonna make sure that he has the tools that he
Speaker 1: needs to get there. Like I've never not recogned, not
Speaker 1: eyes that, you know what I'm saying, Like, like I
Speaker 1: know that this ship don't happen for everybody, and you know,
Speaker 1: for this, for the way that it does happen for
Speaker 1: certain people, it's it's it's always uh, it's always something interesting,
Speaker 1: it's always something traumatic, you know what I'm saying. Like
Speaker 1: my journey from where I was to where I am
Speaker 1: has been paved in fucking gold bro and I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't, I do not not recognize that as a
Speaker 1: blessing because it don't happen like that for everybody, So
Speaker 1: it's a blessing. I appreciate everybody. For you. I'll run
Speaker 1: for that for you. Meal, You're a remarkable motherfucker. You're impeccable. Motherfucker.
Speaker 1: You out here, you got hits after hits. Not only
Speaker 1: you got hits for yourself, you got features with other people.
Speaker 1: That's hits. And then you have writing you're right for
Speaker 1: mother motherfucker. That's crazy. They try to give me the
Speaker 1: right for another fucker. I was too lazy, Like you
Speaker 1: gotta like shot because what is exactly you gotta do
Speaker 1: the right for motherfucker. You gotta hang out with them.
Speaker 1: You gotta have no listen, you don't gotta either. If
Speaker 1: you are blessed with the opportunity to sit and talk
Speaker 1: to the artists that you're writing for, that's a blessing, bro,
Speaker 1: because like in the beginning, the beginning to talk to
Speaker 1: you writing records and hoping that somebody here that ship
Speaker 1: and can't relate to it, like you ain't had no
Speaker 1: inside track on who this person is, what this person
Speaker 1: is going through, how this person would deal with X
Speaker 1: y Z situations. You don't know none of that with
Speaker 1: with those situations where you're not with them. Are you
Speaker 1: writing general records where you right yere like they're just
Speaker 1: like these general records that are gonna work. I have
Speaker 1: always tried to lock myself in two things that are timeless,
Speaker 1: things that are never gonna go anywhere. The sound of
Speaker 1: a piano that ship ain't gonna go out of style,
Speaker 1: the sound of a guitar, the sound of a drum
Speaker 1: that ship ain't will never go out of style. Love
Speaker 1: as a feeling, as an emotion, as a topic, and
Speaker 1: gonn never go out of style. Anybody love love? Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you felt it, if you've never felt it, if
Speaker 1: you're craving it, you you ain't never felt that you
Speaker 1: want to feel it? You have felt it, you know,
Speaker 1: the black, white and gray that ship, That ship will
Speaker 1: never go away. It's water, bro, It's just it's kind
Speaker 1: of needed and necessary for us to survive. Right So
Speaker 1: I've always locked myself into things that I felt like,
Speaker 1: we're never gonna go away, you know. And that's the
Speaker 1: way that you that's the way that you stay timeless.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't, I don't pay I pay attention
Speaker 1: to trend, but I don't lock into trend, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Music is always going to evolve and
Speaker 1: expand and change as times change, as the people producing
Speaker 1: the music change. It's never gonna stay the same, you
Speaker 1: know what. Concept Actually, it could be consistent conceptually, it
Speaker 1: could because people are always going to go through what
Speaker 1: they're gonna go through, but they're they're uh their description
Speaker 1: of that or there or there there the art that
Speaker 1: they create based on that, it's always going to change
Speaker 1: with the times, you know what I mean. So so
Speaker 1: I've I've always kind of prided myself on being being flexible,
Speaker 1: like I can't not be me. I'm gonna be me,
Speaker 1: Like even in even in this new album, this is
Speaker 1: the self explanatory album, there are out there are songs
Speaker 1: on this album that are classic Neo. If you've been
Speaker 1: a Neo fan from since, in my own words, you're
Speaker 1: gonna relate to these records right right the funk away right.
Speaker 1: But there's also out records on this album that are
Speaker 1: me acknowledging the fact that the times have changed, the
Speaker 1: sound has changed, the vibe has changed. I can never
Speaker 1: not be me, I'm always be me. But I'm but
Speaker 1: I'm even me that I can apply to whatever. I've
Speaker 1: always been flexible. I've always been able to move in
Speaker 1: and make sense with whatever's going on. And and though
Speaker 1: those records, you know, so to the die hard Neo fan,
Speaker 1: you know, these are new records to you because you're
Speaker 1: accustomed to a certain sound from Neo. I just need
Speaker 1: you to jump into this album with an open mind.
Speaker 1: Just jump into this album anticipating quality, because even if
Speaker 1: you don't so much understand what the music is doing,
Speaker 1: even if it's not so much your bag, even if
Speaker 1: it's not so much your cup of tea, you will
Speaker 1: never ever be able to deny the quality. I do
Speaker 1: that for y'all. I make sure that my ship is
Speaker 1: quality period, so that at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: if you can't say nothing else, you can say that
Speaker 1: sh sounded amazing, like that's that's how I rock. Sorry,
Speaker 1: are you? Are you composing the music as well? Are
Speaker 1: you composing music as well? To a to a degree,
Speaker 1: to a degree. Uh. There's a a group of producers
Speaker 1: that I work with. I don't even I don't it's
Speaker 1: not even fair to call them producers. I call them
Speaker 1: composers because these are the kind of cast that you
Speaker 1: can tell them that you have an idea that sounds
Speaker 1: like this, and they go take that idea and run
Speaker 1: with it as opposed to giving you these are these
Speaker 1: are kind of tracks I do. And that's just what
Speaker 1: I do. You know what I'm saying. I've always I've
Speaker 1: always had an appreciation for the versatile, versatile producer. You know,
Speaker 1: I can give you hip hop ship, I can give
Speaker 1: you some quote unquote neo soul ship, I can give
Speaker 1: you some this like, yeah, all of it. Because at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, I'm a I'm a I
Speaker 1: can apply me to whatever, nigga. I could do a
Speaker 1: fucking rock song. I could do a poker record if
Speaker 1: I felt like I could apply me to a poker record,
Speaker 1: straight up. Yeah, not the not the game. Wooden Shoes,
Speaker 1: Wooden Shoes and Netflix. Yeah check it out, you see
Speaker 1: yeah don't Yeah, I seen it. Yeah they started it.
Speaker 1: We'll talking about off air alright. Look um the fabulous
Speaker 1: record make Me Better, Make You Better that was recorded
Speaker 1: for jay Z written when I did that hook, I
Speaker 1: was in the studio with jay Z and and I'll
Speaker 1: never forget this session because I had always heard that
Speaker 1: jay Z doesn't write anything down. I had heard that,
Speaker 1: like multiple times, like he's not a cat that will
Speaker 1: sit because because there was a point in my career
Speaker 1: where I was a slave to a pen and pad.
Speaker 1: I had to write it down. I had to, I
Speaker 1: had to be able to visualize. I could see it.
Speaker 1: So I'm in a studio with Jay and the beat
Speaker 1: is playing and it's a beat from Timberland. Shout out,
Speaker 1: shout out to Timberland. And he's like, what what you
Speaker 1: hear to this? I'm like, all, give me a minute.
Speaker 1: So I sit with my pad and pen and I write.
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there trying to figure out what to right.
Speaker 1: And as I'm sitting there trying to figure it out,
Speaker 1: Beyonce comes to the studio and they find and they
Speaker 1: kind of like find a corner and like dip off
Speaker 1: from everybody. This is Sony Studios in New York. She
Speaker 1: won't exist, you know what I'm talking about, My nigga
Speaker 1: and she don't exist no more. But so much history
Speaker 1: was made in that building. So we're in that building
Speaker 1: and it's J and B in the corner like nigger.
Speaker 1: It might as well not have been nobody else in
Speaker 1: the because they just they just in there, just in
Speaker 1: each other, you know what I'm saying. So I'm looking
Speaker 1: at this and I write, I I'm thinking about j
Speaker 1: jay Z. I'm a moving by myself, jay Z. I'm
Speaker 1: a movement by myself, jay Z and Beyonce. But I'm
Speaker 1: a force. We're together. You know what I'm saying, Mommy,
Speaker 1: I'm good all by myself, but you you make me better.
Speaker 1: You feel me, you feel me. I'm watched. I'm watching
Speaker 1: him in the corner, like trying not to be a
Speaker 1: creep because most weird. If anybody turned around and look
Speaker 1: at me in every right, now, they can be nigga,
Speaker 1: what then you staring at my bad? Bad? Bro, my bad,
Speaker 1: But you can't help but feel the energy in the
Speaker 1: corner because they they're in the corner and their own
Speaker 1: fucking world they might have will not have been nobody
Speaker 1: else in the room, Like this is the vibe that
Speaker 1: they got and I'm just looking at it, like all right,
Speaker 1: I'm jay Z, I'm fucking jay Z. I'm a movement
Speaker 1: just by me, just by myself. I can walk in
Speaker 1: the room by myself and ship is gonna change because
Speaker 1: I'm in the room. I'm a movement, nigga. But when
Speaker 1: I walk in with you, now, I'm a force now,
Speaker 1: regardless of what you thought regardless of what you felt like,
Speaker 1: your mood, everything about you changes because we are in
Speaker 1: the room. You feel me like, that's that's different, bro,
Speaker 1: that's that ship is different. So I wrote that ship
Speaker 1: and I presented it to Jay and he was like,
Speaker 1: this is dope. This is R and B ship. You
Speaker 1: should keep it. And it was like yeah and boo
Speaker 1: at the same time, because like Nick, I just took
Speaker 1: your whole No, of course not, I'm not not not,
Speaker 1: But in my mind, I'm like, you don't want it? Wait,
Speaker 1: wait what Like I just I just took your whole
Speaker 1: element and and and put it in words like your
Speaker 1: whole ship and this is this is y'all you and
Speaker 1: be supposed to get a ship and and spas out right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this ship is dope, some R and B ship that
Speaker 1: you should keep it. Thank you, thank you, thank thanks
Speaker 1: so much, thank you, sir. I appreciate it. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Now like I thought I was onto something like Nick,
Speaker 1: I have figured out I have. I have cracked the code.
Speaker 1: I have, I have cracked the matrix on Jay Z
Speaker 1: and Beyonce boom. And then they said, yeah, that's do
Speaker 1: keep it for yourself. I'm good. He's a great story. Buddy. Right,
Speaker 1: So I so at this mind you, this is jay
Speaker 1: Z telling me I should keep it for myself something,
Speaker 1: and I'm gona keep it for myself. So I write
Speaker 1: versus to the ship. I create a whole record. Right,
Speaker 1: Everybody likes the record, you know, the team likes the record,
Speaker 1: but they don't love the record. It's other ship that's
Speaker 1: that's getting the attention. So this record kind of becomes
Speaker 1: just a fucking archives just sitting in the archive. Right.
Speaker 1: I don't honestly even know how it got to FAB,
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, I don't know how it
Speaker 1: got to Fab. But Fab No, no, but Fab just
Speaker 1: hit me up and they're like, yo, hey this this
Speaker 1: makes me better. Ship, Nigga, you need to let me
Speaker 1: rock on this. And I'm like, bird, go for it,
Speaker 1: because again, it's it's an archive record. At this point,
Speaker 1: it was using it. It's just sitting. He's like, bro,
Speaker 1: you need to let me do your thing. So he
Speaker 1: does his thing, sends it back to me. I'm like, yeah, nigga,
Speaker 1: that's yeah, Yeah, that's yeah. That's one and and the
Speaker 1: rest is history. The label runs with it and it
Speaker 1: becomes that makes me better that everybody knows, but the
Speaker 1: and originally I wrote that ship with the intent that
Speaker 1: night I was like, Yo, Beyonce and jay Z is
Speaker 1: going to do a song to this tonight is happening
Speaker 1: right now, And I played the ship with j He
Speaker 1: was like, Yeah, that's dope. That's some R and B ship.
Speaker 1: Keep it for yourself. Records. Timber Land shout out to
Speaker 1: the boy, tim God, what a fucking amazing story. Man,
Speaker 1: God had no singing, Like, this is dope for you.
Speaker 1: For you, Timberlands, take on all of that Fab too, right,
Speaker 1: I don't. I literally you might want to ask fact.
Speaker 1: I literally don't know how Fab heard the record because
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't. Maybe I don't know because saying
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sit on this record. To all I know
Speaker 1: is I get a hit from Fab to Blue like, Yo,
Speaker 1: this ship is dope. You need to let me funk
Speaker 1: with this. And I'm like, Nigga, go for it, go
Speaker 1: for it, because at this point it's literally just sitting
Speaker 1: in the archives like I'm not doing nothing with it,
Speaker 1: it's just there. So he's like, Yo, let me throw
Speaker 1: some verses this. Nigga do it, and he did it,
Speaker 1: and that ship became you know, the song we know
Speaker 1: now and the rest is history. Broa, it's just that, yo, fat,
Speaker 1: what's going on? Yeah? We got Neo dream. I thought
Speaker 1: you usually FaceTime FaceTime of you right now FaceTime you
Speaker 1: just face on your FaceTime. I don't want you want
Speaker 1: some creepy ship. WI not working in my face. Oh
Speaker 1: I'm hitting the wrong but and I'm sorry. I'm old school.
Speaker 1: I'm old school. Family's going on, Kevin, we got Leo here,
Speaker 1: we got Leo here. Yeah, I dropped. I'm telling the troup.
Speaker 1: He dropped. You want to or you want me to
Speaker 1: ask the questions in so so so so, but look
Speaker 1: check it. He he wants to know, how did you
Speaker 1: hear about of the record you made me better? How
Speaker 1: did I hear about it? Yeah? I said this hall
Speaker 1: of s okay. Yeah, he was like, he got a
Speaker 1: smash record. But it's but it's and his words I
Speaker 1: want to say. He said, it's a fat record, like
Speaker 1: like it's too, it's too. I mean, home could have
Speaker 1: did it in my eyes, but he said it was
Speaker 1: something and it was really fat. Now he's he said,
Speaker 1: he said, he said, it's an R and B record.
Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, so the night so the night
Speaker 1: that I did this ship, telling the story. I'm sitting
Speaker 1: and telling the story. The night that I did this
Speaker 1: ship was like the first night that I really saw
Speaker 1: any interaction between him and B and that's what made
Speaker 1: me right the way I wrote it. So I'm sitting
Speaker 1: there like, yo, I didn't I've cracked the code to
Speaker 1: Jay and Beyonce. I'm moving by myself, but I'm a force.
Speaker 1: One were together and I played this ship for the
Speaker 1: nick and he was like, yeah, that's dope, you should
Speaker 1: keep it, nigger. I was. I was so honored and
Speaker 1: hurt at the same time, Like sometimes you can see
Speaker 1: records that and the right, but but you're running. I
Speaker 1: can't see how that that's that's a j B bro.
Speaker 1: The ship was inspired by just watching them sitting in
Speaker 1: the corner of the studio, spassing out, just being them,
Speaker 1: and the nigga was like, yeah, that's dope, Yeah, hold on,
Speaker 1: keep that on me. That's yours. I'm like, oh, hey, damn,
Speaker 1: but no, I literally never knew how how the record
Speaker 1: got to you. I just niggas was like, yo, fathers
Speaker 1: like he loved that ship. Let's rock. I'm like, all right,
Speaker 1: fucking let's rock, Like but I never knew how it
Speaker 1: got to you. So yeah, that's that's where this whole
Speaker 1: came up. Definitely was the whole out of you. Um.
Speaker 1: And he came to me. It was like, Yo, I
Speaker 1: got this joint. He said, I think it's a smash
Speaker 1: And he was like, I think he explained to me
Speaker 1: it was kind of originally set for him, but he
Speaker 1: think it was more of my lane. And I said,
Speaker 1: y'all this joining us out of here. I said, I
Speaker 1: don't know why hold giving me this record, but I
Speaker 1: asked a little question. That's crazy, straight up, straight up,
Speaker 1: when the God give you a blessing you on your
Speaker 1: only question, straight up straight up? My name a man.
Speaker 1: Good to see you, brother, hold on your yo. Father.
Speaker 1: I just want to tell y'all man, y're making New
Speaker 1: York looks so good you Jim Jones, Dave East every
Speaker 1: time I see y'all all together. May no, man, I
Speaker 1: really really appreciate y'all man for keeping that you know Camaraddie,
Speaker 1: Joel said, Tanner and that and that tightness. Man, you're
Speaker 1: making us look good. Man. I'm gonna coming and and
Speaker 1: and come hang out y'all very soon. We can't wait.
Speaker 1: We can't are you on rock the bells? Because if
Speaker 1: you're not, can I bring you out of special guests? Know?
Speaker 1: I hate y'all. Let you know my y'all. All right, y'all, well, look,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. That's crazy that you didn't know
Speaker 1: that you didn't know that jay Z that that that
Speaker 1: that's a lot about Jay because not only did he
Speaker 1: notice it was a hit, but he gave it a Yo,
Speaker 1: it's it's a You gotta be a different kind of
Speaker 1: dude to be like this is a hit, but this
Speaker 1: is a hit that's not for me. That's different. What
Speaker 1: was the time frame between the time that he told
Speaker 1: you it's not for him, that's for you that night?
Speaker 1: It was? What was that time? Uh? Yo? It was
Speaker 1: it was easily like a like a year, like a
Speaker 1: year because when he told me that, when he said,
Speaker 1: when he said, like, Yo, this is dope, you should
Speaker 1: hold on to it, I wrote versus to it like
Speaker 1: I wrote it like on some All right, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: hold on to it for myself and and and as
Speaker 1: much as we love the record, it just didn't feel
Speaker 1: right for the moves that we was making. It just
Speaker 1: never felt right. And then all of a sudden fab
Speaker 1: him be like, Yo, that makes me better join nigger.
Speaker 1: That's me Like, and I'm like, ah, yeah, let's rock.
Speaker 1: But but it wasn't it. It happens like that sometimes
Speaker 1: it's like it's you know, all the records that you're right,
Speaker 1: the records that the world here's you need to understand.
Speaker 1: It was like maybe twenty records that happened before that record,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And the is just sitting
Speaker 1: waiting to be groomed properly, to be presented to the
Speaker 1: world like and that. And that was what made me
Speaker 1: better was it was it was written for this, it
Speaker 1: was intended for this, didn't so much work for that.
Speaker 1: We re freaked it and worked it for this, and
Speaker 1: it worked, you know what I'm saying. That's That's what
Speaker 1: I think it's crazy, is that he told you the record,
Speaker 1: you should just take the record for yourself. So he
Speaker 1: obviously a year later, was like, this is a hit record.
Speaker 1: This guy did not put it out for himself. This
Speaker 1: needs to go somewhere. Yeah. Yeah, And and to this day,
Speaker 1: I got records I'm sitting on right now that are hits,
Speaker 1: just not exactly hits for me. I'm waiting on you
Speaker 1: know the right. I don't believe in a coincidence or
Speaker 1: an accident. I feel like everything that happens is supposed
Speaker 1: to happen, and it doesn't happen a second before it's
Speaker 1: supposed to happen. So there's there's there's a multitude of
Speaker 1: songs that I've written that I feel like if the
Speaker 1: world heard this, it would be a hit. But it's
Speaker 1: about who they hear it on, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: If they heard it from me, maybe not so much.
Speaker 1: If they heard it from this cat maybe, you know,
Speaker 1: So it doesn't I have like a whole folder full
Speaker 1: of records that I'm just waiting on the right artist
Speaker 1: to jump up to be like, yo, yeah, all right
Speaker 1: here this is for you. Take this and go in
Speaker 1: the world and rock with this. Yeah. Yeah. Can you
Speaker 1: write a record for like uh Santana? I can write anything, bro, anything.
Speaker 1: Words are words and and they have power. And if
Speaker 1: you learn the power of words, you could run the
Speaker 1: planet if you felt like it. I could on the
Speaker 1: planet if I felt like it. That's the lightweight drunk drunk,
Speaker 1: but lightweight me telling the truth. I could write a
Speaker 1: record for anybody, bro, I could write a rock record.
Speaker 1: I could write a poker record, I could write a
Speaker 1: Spanish record that matter, It doesn't matter. I can speak
Speaker 1: passionately about a subject matter, and that's part of what's
Speaker 1: needed to be able to write. The other part is
Speaker 1: melody and and and creativity. I have all these things.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I can write a record for anybody. It
Speaker 1: don't matter, don't matter. So of course you just come
Speaker 1: to you and say you listen man. I think I
Speaker 1: think he's saying, if I come to you, I think
Speaker 1: I'm coming back what we're doing, Yo, listen, send me,
Speaker 1: send me to beat with your verses on it. I
Speaker 1: want to do that too. I got you. We're taking
Speaker 1: the shot of that. We're taking the shot of neo
Speaker 1: biking me out of retirement, but now we're bringing you
Speaker 1: out of retirement. When you're doing versus against Acorn, would
Speaker 1: I absolutely? And you're smoking him. Let's just I mean,
Speaker 1: that's for a free apartment in Africa. That's the best
Speaker 1: for the free apartment. It's a five million dollars Joe,
Speaker 1: I would happily do versus against a con. That's my brother,
Speaker 1: that's my guy, and I feel like it would be
Speaker 1: entertaining his his his category his his catalog versus my catalog.
Speaker 1: I feel like that would be super entertaining. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, Yeah, I felt like
Speaker 1: I take that. I take I feel like I take that.
Speaker 1: On Holy we're supposed to salute y'all. Y'all did this.
Speaker 1: That's a good versus the prizes is a condo in Africa.
Speaker 1: If I win and I don't get some residency and
Speaker 1: this this city that he's creating, I'm gon fell away here. Okay,
Speaker 1: but let me just ask you something because we just
Speaker 1: came up with a question these workers that she wrote
Speaker 1: from Michael, Yeah, would you give him the janet? That's
Speaker 1: what I said. That's what I told him, and nobody
Speaker 1: to somebody. Somebody I said it to him, and then
Speaker 1: y'all was talking over we didn't rewind the tape. No
Speaker 1: real ship. That's not a bad idea. That's not a
Speaker 1: bad idea because that don't point of this guy. Yes, No,
Speaker 1: that that allows me to keep it genuine, to keep
Speaker 1: it real, you know what I'm saying. At the same time,
Speaker 1: taking sure that the records just gonna get the recognition
Speaker 1: that they need. Wait, what happened? Freddie Jackson? Freddie Jackson.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Freddy Jackson, he got the finger ways
Speaker 1: I'm definitely I'm not wrong. Freddy Jackson. Come on with
Speaker 1: with'a laughing Freddie Jackson got the figure where he out
Speaker 1: was out Michael Brother. Shout out the shout you know what,
Speaker 1: shout out the iconic he parted the Jackson five and
Speaker 1: he is not he was not he not. I went
Speaker 1: too far, My bad Jackson was. Freddy Jackson was devil,
Speaker 1: he was the smartest. He was not. You are, my lady,
Speaker 1: Freddie Jackson. He wasn't in. He wasn't in Jackson five. No,
Speaker 1: my bad. Everything I need and more. Hey, man, shout
Speaker 1: out Freddy Jackson. I don't know, Freddy, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a shot to Freddy Jackson taking the shot.
Speaker 1: He didn't. He deserved fun to take a shot. But
Speaker 1: Freddy Jackson, listen, man, get back, get back to my
Speaker 1: original Jackson. That's that's an idea. That's actually a really
Speaker 1: good idea. That's that because that uh represents and respects
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson's legacy while at the same time not being
Speaker 1: you know, so far outside of what he was and
Speaker 1: what he would have done anyway, so now that's that's
Speaker 1: a really good idea. You know, his daughter and her
Speaker 1: son is an artist too. For that, Mike, Mike got
Speaker 1: or a son that's being an artis or you got done?
Speaker 1: Which one? I think you're both both both being artists.
Speaker 1: Well I don't know if they both artists, but you
Speaker 1: got a daughter and the son legacy doesn't validate you
Speaker 1: for me and the talent, I don't given who he dad,
Speaker 1: he was, what can you know? I think Janet would
Speaker 1: be the right. I'm gonna tell you what my grandfather
Speaker 1: told me the first time my grandfather met me after
Speaker 1: I was famous part of Wecan grandfather he said, you're
Speaker 1: telling cups from what dick. He was totally correct, He
Speaker 1: was totally correct. He was like, Jesus said, your mother
Speaker 1: little sing. If I don't know sing, it's me. It's
Speaker 1: like and I was like, damn you adressed dude. That's dumb.
Speaker 1: That's dumb. Because because he was, you call it one
Speaker 1: of them. The base he played, the beating. He got
Speaker 1: you straight. Was like, he was like, Rover, get sucked up.
Speaker 1: He comes from me. Good your mom me. He dead
Speaker 1: seriously said that to me. That Then I looked at
Speaker 1: pictures and then they showed me pictures of him touring,
Speaker 1: and I was like, damn, he's kind of correct, but
Speaker 1: because he's Puerto Rican and he's like this, he tells
Speaker 1: a couple of Monday. Wait a minute, we just kind
Speaker 1: of mad. And you said, that's like a shot to that.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I didn't say. We went
Speaker 1: to take a shot to that. Got the neo because
Speaker 1: your career is truly rather than thank you, truly beautiful,
Speaker 1: truly dope man. And to see the level that you act,
Speaker 1: to see the uh, humbleness that you still display because
Speaker 1: you don't gotta be humble. You definitely don't have to
Speaker 1: be hume. I don't have to be. But it's more fun.
Speaker 1: How many Grammars you I got? Only only three? Only three?
Speaker 1: Three more than three? I say three. I was nominated
Speaker 1: and they said, don't come though, Why they didn't want
Speaker 1: my kind company? They no, I say, I say, only three,
Speaker 1: But I got to take a shot to your three Grammys.
Speaker 1: We can do that. Please, come on, Stephen winning double
Speaker 1: digit Grammys, you know, come on, man, listen. I'm up
Speaker 1: for myself in the category of the greats. How else
Speaker 1: can I achieve that greatness if I don't rock with
Speaker 1: the greats. Steven want to got double digit grammars, which
Speaker 1: means I got more. I got more work to do,
Speaker 1: got more work to do. What I'm saying, right, I've done.
Speaker 1: I've done great things. I'm gracious and I appreciate all
Speaker 1: the love that I've received. But there's so much more
Speaker 1: ship to do, so much more ship to do. So
Speaker 1: as long as y'are giving the fun rockets? Who Who's who? Who?
Speaker 1: Who's the record that you have never done that you
Speaker 1: want to do? Okay, So I've written records for Beyonce.
Speaker 1: We've never done anything record together. Right, I've write, I've done,
Speaker 1: I've done songs like you know with certain motherfucker's that
Speaker 1: I would love to do a song with them, not
Speaker 1: just me writing for them. You know, I'm anxious to
Speaker 1: see what me and Drake would come up with, like
Speaker 1: that might be, that might be interesting. I could see
Speaker 1: that it might be trash, but it might be interesting.
Speaker 1: It's I'm willing to take the chance and just see
Speaker 1: we're not We're not doing that. It's not gonna be trash.
Speaker 1: What are you going to be? It's gonna be as
Speaker 1: we won't call it panty wet music. I like it.
Speaker 1: I like it. That should be the last two panty
Speaker 1: wet music because how let your boy, let's figure it out.
Speaker 1: This gota yes start off, that should be your logo
Speaker 1: right there when he goes, and that's the logo. And
Speaker 1: then you just see the panties and then it just
Speaker 1: it just turned dry and just turn wet, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like it just like it's like I
Speaker 1: did that West sitting over the crowd, like like a
Speaker 1: hologram or holographic you and then you're in the range.
Speaker 1: Doesn't Drake do a record and not? I mean people
Speaker 1: don't get pregnant? Yeah, failed true pregnant nine million. Hey, Aubrey,
Speaker 1: how let your boy listen. Let's let's Aubrey I did
Speaker 1: I prospected. It's his name, Yeah, it's his name. It's
Speaker 1: just your rappers by the real name. Why not. I
Speaker 1: would never call elko J Tard. I would call you
Speaker 1: by your real name if I knew your real name,
Speaker 1: because I funk with you. If I was just a fan,
Speaker 1: then I would call you by your artist name. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. No, that fused you as a person,
Speaker 1: But you as a person to would call you call
Speaker 1: your name day record though we're gonna get petty. How
Speaker 1: did your boy what You're Gonna be? A crazy record?
Speaker 1: What was it? Pet crack record? Sound like? I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. But if it has any if Wedy
Speaker 1: has any entrance on that, you know that it's gonna
Speaker 1: be some fire ships come to dark because you ain't
Speaker 1: doing you don't do no, you don't do no bullshit.
Speaker 1: You refused to do mediocre records. Why what forward? It's
Speaker 1: enough of that in the world. You don't need it
Speaker 1: for me. Ella, my bad, bad bad. It's a surf
Speaker 1: way of the way you pop ship is fucking dope.
Speaker 1: You know. We have everybody on here kind of humble.
Speaker 1: But it's not like the title of your your album.
Speaker 1: It's like going there, it's gonna be based in fact.
Speaker 1: I'm never I'm never the nigger popping ship. And then
Speaker 1: you go and do the research and it ain't valid. No. Now,
Speaker 1: if I'm a pop ship in mind you, I don't
Speaker 1: have to pop ship because you can google it. You
Speaker 1: can see it. You know what you see if you
Speaker 1: really want to see it, you can see it. I
Speaker 1: don't gotta point you in the direction. Nah, if you're
Speaker 1: really thirsty, the it is over there. I don't have
Speaker 1: to I don't have to lead you there. You can
Speaker 1: go there yourself and get fulfilled. It's that's what it is.
Speaker 1: That's what it is. I do what I do. I've
Speaker 1: been doing what I've done for roughly twenty years at
Speaker 1: this point, and I'm doing it like I do it
Speaker 1: for TV. Goddamn it. That's what it is. I'm done.
Speaker 1: You gotta make some noise for that. My last question,
Speaker 1: let it go? That's that worldwide music which one? Let
Speaker 1: it go? Let it go? Uh, how's it dance go?
Speaker 1: I ain't mad? I ain't Madsten, you bring your sh
Speaker 1: it out of me. Did you get a thug to
Speaker 1: put his hands up perfect? He didn't say. He did
Speaker 1: something like that and a purpose. So yeah, I see
Speaker 1: easy music. He sent me just move altering, just and
Speaker 1: he may he's always on time. I make ship. You
Speaker 1: work out for me, y'all. He told me, this is
Speaker 1: this is the key to make it to making girl music. Listen,
Speaker 1: this is this is the big thing. I can't. I
Speaker 1: can't make a girl record if it hurt. I can
Speaker 1: help you. I love you at least one girl can
Speaker 1: help you record. I can help you listen. I'm okay,
Speaker 1: so let me let me work this out for you.
Speaker 1: Let me please. If any woman on the planet has
Speaker 1: ever danced to a to a Noriega record, you can
Speaker 1: make a girl record girl. Because they funk with your voice,
Speaker 1: They funk with your tone, they funk with your vibe.
Speaker 1: You just need to You just need somebody to step
Speaker 1: in and remind them that they funk with your vibe.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, you know this vibe, mind them that
Speaker 1: I'm a finger pop straight up? Shut up? May me
Speaker 1: stop there, shut up. I can gonna word. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: we got great. Well, we don't find a fly away
Speaker 1: to express to get you the finger pop. You don't
Speaker 1: find a fly away to let it be. No, oh, guys,
Speaker 1: I'm joining aboutself and always singing my light along like
Speaker 1: I don't know if let me my light back. But
Speaker 1: he don't inject you. He's been on some smooth, army
Speaker 1: ship thinking that I see you y'all came around, But
Speaker 1: you made a record called mad, Yes, absolutely did. Why
Speaker 1: were you mad? I wasn't mad. I was telling her
Speaker 1: that I find it sexy when she's mad. That's director.
Speaker 1: Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait
Speaker 1: wait wait wait wait wait, let me get that right. So,
Speaker 1: because so there's two records. There's mad and then there's
Speaker 1: when You're mad. When You're mad is a joint the
Speaker 1: telling the check that she's sexy when she's mad, because
Speaker 1: I remember, I recall the female that I wrote the
Speaker 1: song about, like she was about three ft tall, itty bitty, right,
Speaker 1: but she was a little firecracker. So whenever she would
Speaker 1: get whenever she would get upset, like crinkle her nose up,
Speaker 1: like like she was a little thug. But it's like
Speaker 1: like three ft tall, your three ft tall, cut it out.
Speaker 1: So it was just beautiful, right, it was. I just
Speaker 1: really used to get off on what she would look
Speaker 1: at me like when she was upset. So that's where
Speaker 1: that's saying. That's pretty much pretty much pretty much, man, Listen.
Speaker 1: I've always been I've always been a fan of convenience,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. If I if I can
Speaker 1: just stand where I'm at and you can stand where
Speaker 1: you're at and get it going, that's that's convenient for everyone,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Thing became her, So that
Speaker 1: was that's when You're mad. Mad is a whole other
Speaker 1: song talking about being in a relationship and not going
Speaker 1: to bed mad at a situation same person. No, that's
Speaker 1: a different persons difference. Now this this person. You're in
Speaker 1: a relationship with this person, and the whole concept of
Speaker 1: y'all beefing and you go to bed with the beef
Speaker 1: still hot, like that's not cool. That ship ain't cool.
Speaker 1: Nobody wants to wake up beef and I don't want cool.
Speaker 1: I don't want that. So I've always been I've always
Speaker 1: been the cat. Like, listen, let's try to figure this
Speaker 1: ship out right now. Let's let's find the resolution right now,
Speaker 1: as opposed to going to sleeping on it and waking
Speaker 1: up tomorrow still funked up, trying to figure out what
Speaker 1: we're doing. I don't want to do that. I don't
Speaker 1: want to do that. Let's figure out what we're doing
Speaker 1: right now. That's me again. Okay, you take a picture
Speaker 1: process like in the movie Stoping the Haitian. There wasn't
Speaker 1: any haze process. They didn't didn't hit you with the paddle.
Speaker 1: I will say this. I moved to Atlanta after I
Speaker 1: shot from Vegas. From Vegas, I moved to after shot
Speaker 1: Stumped Yard. Yeah I did. I was not aware of
Speaker 1: a place where every female that I came in contact
Speaker 1: with had just the most amazing and most beautiful ass
Speaker 1: I've ever seen in life until I came to Atlanta
Speaker 1: to shoot Stump the Yard. So I moved there after
Speaker 1: we shot the film, and rightfully, so, okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go yearn it I bury back. So there wasn't no hazing,
Speaker 1: no hazing, not not for something to Yard the Canada
Speaker 1: inviolate you. Nick Cannon was not there. Yard was not
Speaker 1: Nick thinking drum It's okay, it happened. You know. Cats
Speaker 1: regularly run up and me like, Yo, you was doping drumline.
Speaker 1: I don't but you was doping drumline. You killed that.
Speaker 1: Oh good man, let's talk about that. Good Man the
Speaker 1: album's song the Whole Night. Yes, uh, because I'm a
Speaker 1: good man. I believe you, Yes, please believe that. Genuinely
Speaker 1: believe you. I believe that you can't be a good
Speaker 1: man without exploring what it is to not be a
Speaker 1: good man. You need the contrast, you need it. You know, Um,
Speaker 1: it's not a chore to be a bad man. That's
Speaker 1: just easy. You know, it's easy. To run around and
Speaker 1: just doing whatever fun did you want to do because
Speaker 1: you want to do it. The chore is to be
Speaker 1: a good man. It requires disciplines, it requires restraint, it
Speaker 1: requires self control. You know what I'm saying something that
Speaker 1: is raring us. You know, just as a human being.
Speaker 1: As a human being, we pick desire over necessity all
Speaker 1: day long. You know what I'm saying. This ship you
Speaker 1: want to do versus the ship you need to do
Speaker 1: all day long, you pick the ship you want to do, right,
Speaker 1: you know, So so to to to on purpose say
Speaker 1: this is what I want to do, but this is
Speaker 1: what I should do. And then to do what you
Speaker 1: should do. That's that's a thing. That's a thing you
Speaker 1: can't you can't overlook that like it's small, because it's
Speaker 1: not small. Because again, people do what they want to
Speaker 1: do all day long, men and women, men and women,
Speaker 1: all right, they ain't just us. Ain't just us. So
Speaker 1: to have the to have the level of discipline to
Speaker 1: do what you're supposed to do versus what you want
Speaker 1: to do, that's something that should be celebrated, you know.
Speaker 1: And and anybody acting holy er than now, to hell
Speaker 1: with you, because because you can't sit here and act
Speaker 1: like I'm not telling the truth just because it's anotherly,
Speaker 1: truth is still the truth, see the truth. So you
Speaker 1: also made a record where you said don't love Me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so the new album self Explanatory. Um, the song don't
Speaker 1: love Me? I wrote that, mind you. It didn't start
Speaker 1: out as a song. It started out as a letter.
Speaker 1: There's a letter that I wrote to my wife. And
Speaker 1: feel like you expressed yourself more when you write it down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've always been better writing it down, like to to
Speaker 1: speak it out in the in the in the heat
Speaker 1: of the moment. You know what I'm saying. When you
Speaker 1: she pissed off and you pissed off, but you're still
Speaker 1: trying to figure out a way to get your point across.
Speaker 1: I've never been good at that ship And and I've
Speaker 1: always been the cat to say, know myself, know what
Speaker 1: you're not good at, know what you are good at.
Speaker 1: Work towards your strengths, work on your your weaknesses. Right. So,
Speaker 1: if I know that I can't in the moment say
Speaker 1: this to you and get it across to you, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna fall back. I'm a retreat for the moment, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna write it down right. So that song, that
Speaker 1: particular song started out as a letter that I wrote
Speaker 1: to my wife basically saying to her, I know you
Speaker 1: want to be here, but I don't think that you
Speaker 1: should be here because I don't think that I can
Speaker 1: be the kind of man that you deserve, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And it takes a level of vulnerability,
Speaker 1: it takes a level of just just kind of taking
Speaker 1: pride off the table to even come to that realization,
Speaker 1: you know. So, so it's it's a it's a it's
Speaker 1: a no viself moment, Like if you you're in a
Speaker 1: relationship with somebody and you definitely dig that somebody, but
Speaker 1: you know in your heart of hearts and in your
Speaker 1: mind of minds that you're not gonna do what that
Speaker 1: somebody wants you to do. So so I'm sorry because
Speaker 1: it's not It's probably the realest questional party asked on
Speaker 1: this show. So at one point, because this this is
Speaker 1: this is ill, you felt like you couldn't be there
Speaker 1: for your wife so much that you was willing to
Speaker 1: give her away, not give her away, but in the
Speaker 1: relationship because I knew that I was hurting her. I
Speaker 1: knew that the person that I was in the moment
Speaker 1: was hurting her and I was so enthralled, and being
Speaker 1: that person that I was, I looked at it like,
Speaker 1: all right, me being this person is hurting her to
Speaker 1: the point where I'll let her go before I allowed
Speaker 1: myself to continue hurting her, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And and and so all right, So so here's the flip.
Speaker 1: Here's the flip, because that was that was honest on me.
Speaker 1: I was being honest. But at the end of the
Speaker 1: same day, we just discussed how we choose desire over
Speaker 1: necessity all day long. Right, So here's what she here's
Speaker 1: what her response to that was. Okay, so you tell
Speaker 1: of me that you can't be this person. Is it
Speaker 1: that you can't be this person? Or is it that
Speaker 1: you won't be this person? Because it's not like there's
Speaker 1: somebody physically holding you back from being this person. Like
Speaker 1: it's it's all decision. It's what you decide to be,
Speaker 1: is who you decide to be, is what you decide
Speaker 1: to do versus what you decide to not do. So
Speaker 1: it's all on you. So if you have told me
Speaker 1: that you can't be this person, you're telling me that
Speaker 1: there's something outside of you that is preventing you from
Speaker 1: being this person. It's either that or it's not that
Speaker 1: you can't be this person, is that you won't be
Speaker 1: this person because again, it's all decision based, So you're
Speaker 1: deciding to not be who you know I need. That's
Speaker 1: that's a decision that you're making. And if that's the
Speaker 1: decision you're making, then yeah, we should get a divorce.
Speaker 1: I have too from a relationship prior to from up
Speaker 1: shout out to money, had a SHOT's mother, my two
Speaker 1: oldest children, it's my home girls, my folks, and then
Speaker 1: we have three together, me and my wife Crystal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it but it literally took her pointing that out
Speaker 1: to me for me to realize, Yo, I'm I'm I'm lightweight,
Speaker 1: trying to cop out right now, and she's not letting me.
Speaker 1: She's not letting me cop out. Like there's something to that, man,
Speaker 1: you gotta pay attention to that, Like this woman's love
Speaker 1: for you was so strong that she's not allowing you
Speaker 1: to be a fucking coward right now. She's not allowing
Speaker 1: you to do that. You know, she's holding you accountable
Speaker 1: and making you stand up for what it is as
Speaker 1: you truly want, If you want to be that, Go
Speaker 1: be that, and that's that. But don't tell me that
Speaker 1: you want to be over here but you don't feel
Speaker 1: like you can, because that's bullshit. If you want to
Speaker 1: be here, you're gonna be here. And that's what that's
Speaker 1: the reality of it, and that's the reason that we
Speaker 1: see together because you can't you can't come across somebody
Speaker 1: that is that enlightened and that willing to hold you
Speaker 1: accountable on your bullsheet, even at the level that you are,
Speaker 1: like a nigga, I'm I'm I'm the breadwinner. I take
Speaker 1: care of my family, period. No one has to worry
Speaker 1: or about anything because of me. Right, So there's a
Speaker 1: level of me that says within myself that I'm within
Speaker 1: my right to do whatever the funk I want to
Speaker 1: do because of the fact that I take care of
Speaker 1: everybody in my family. You feel that, but at the
Speaker 1: same time, but at the same time, you decided to
Speaker 1: be married, you decided to take that choice, you decided
Speaker 1: to take that step. That is you saying that though
Speaker 1: you understand, you have the right to do whatever the
Speaker 1: funk you want to do, whatever the funk you want
Speaker 1: to do, because you provide for your whole family, You
Speaker 1: are deciding to consider the emotions and feelings and concern
Speaker 1: of another person. You're you're you're deciding to do that
Speaker 1: to choice that you're making to then turn around and
Speaker 1: like be to then turn around and and and to
Speaker 1: be fun up towards that, Like it's it's it's like,
Speaker 1: it's like you sucking yourself. Fuck you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's self destructive self understand mind you, I don't never,
Speaker 1: I don't rever want of my mother fucker to feel like.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is that it's not it's easy. Na.
Speaker 1: Of course, temptation wouldn't be temptation if it wasn't difficult.
Speaker 1: Like that's the reason that it's called what it's called temptation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but there's a point in life where you gotta be like,
Speaker 1: all right, do I genuinely care about this person? If
Speaker 1: and if I genuinely care about this person, am I
Speaker 1: going to continue doing the ship that I know is
Speaker 1: genuinely hurting me? As person? You have to outmaneuver temptation
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, you know what, what what tempts you? Indeed?
Speaker 1: Get out that absolutely absolutely? But see but see so
Speaker 1: does it does a concept? Oh no, only anybody that's
Speaker 1: never seen Neo's head, and it's just just it's just
Speaker 1: a big gas head. The baby. That's it. That's it.
Speaker 1: Ain't nothing wrong and no bucals and a weird tree.
Speaker 1: That's all it is. If m m m m damn,
Speaker 1: my brother, you Yo, you really allegend, though, Bro, you
Speaker 1: really allegend. You really kept it to the R and
Speaker 1: B core. If you know what's strange, I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: you my my compliment has changed so like now like
Speaker 1: people will run up on me and be like, yo,
Speaker 1: you were my entire high school career, like my entire
Speaker 1: high school experience was you. I'm forty two right names.
Speaker 1: But I have to accept that that is a compliment
Speaker 1: for nigger to be like, yo, you thought it wasn't
Speaker 1: I loved Jim music since I was eleven years old,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh shit, oh wow, can I stop
Speaker 1: you for one second. Let me just tell you what
Speaker 1: niggas tell me, Like I did a big to your ship.
Speaker 1: That's fucked up. Why don't you're like back in the day,
Speaker 1: let's be like world up. I'm like, I'm like, my nigger,
Speaker 1: do I owe you someone? Like why didn't you want
Speaker 1: didn't you go to jail for me? Why did you
Speaker 1: feel like you listen to my music? Music? So at
Speaker 1: least but they made mute, they made babies. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: it's just I feel like the music industry is very
Speaker 1: good at, uh hiding from you, from you the fact
Speaker 1: that you were aging. They're forty two years old. That
Speaker 1: listener after her, he agent, you're looking good. No no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no, no, I'm nothing. I'm handsome as funk. I
Speaker 1: know that, say that. I say that with zero ego.
Speaker 1: I'm a beautiful motherfucker. What I'm saying is to know
Speaker 1: that my album came out and like, oh what it was?
Speaker 1: Oh six oh six were in you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like he came out of oh six were two years after?
Speaker 1: I don't know, and you know your officiology. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's it's like I'm either uncle or o g now.
Speaker 1: And it's different. It's different from when I first came
Speaker 1: out and the love that I would get when I
Speaker 1: first came out versus the love that I get now.
Speaker 1: It's still loves, but it's a different kind of love.
Speaker 1: It's like I grew up to you the type of
Speaker 1: love and and I mean I guess it's just me.
Speaker 1: Like when I'm in the moment, when I'm moving to shaking,
Speaker 1: I don't realize the time this passing. Like Nigga, we
Speaker 1: we toured off of in my own work, not in
Speaker 1: my own words. You're the gentleman. We toured off a
Speaker 1: year to the general for three years straight. We're talking
Speaker 1: about this Niga on the road three years. You come
Speaker 1: home for two days and you back out like three
Speaker 1: years straight. Once that ship is done and you come
Speaker 1: home and it's like, oh, ship Nigga, we did win
Speaker 1: three Grammys. Oh ship Nigga. We did. We did sell
Speaker 1: this many records. Oh ship Nigga, we did do Wimbley
Speaker 1: Stadium eighty thousand. Motherfucker's jumping up and jumping up and
Speaker 1: down at the same time, Like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: It hits you all at one moment, like yo, we
Speaker 1: have fucking we have made moves in this ship, but
Speaker 1: not until until you sit still. So to sit still now,
Speaker 1: it's like I'm forty two years old, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And I'll do these little walk through these
Speaker 1: little host things or whatever, and it's like a little
Speaker 1: chicks run up on me. Like, oh my god, I've
Speaker 1: loved you since I was twelve, and it's like, how
Speaker 1: do you take that? You know? I mean, it's love,
Speaker 1: She's given love. I've loved you since I was twelve,
Speaker 1: So sick came out when I was twelve years old.
Speaker 1: Fuck she's but listen, listen, you know how you take this.
Speaker 1: Let's let's think about the icons we've spoke about on
Speaker 1: the show already, the Stevie Wonders, the Bobby Browns, the
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson's, the Princess. It's generational. Age is age. We're
Speaker 1: all gonna age understand age to do it. That's no, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's reality. That's that's actually true. I'm like, yo, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna try fuck it. This is good. I didn't
Speaker 1: think it was good white, but that's another story. Good,
Speaker 1: he's good. He's good. But it's true. It's ages, and
Speaker 1: that doesn't make sense. We're all do it. We want
Speaker 1: to be legend. Look and what we're doing in entertainment.
Speaker 1: Listen to the legends that we talked about, the icons
Speaker 1: we've spoken about. You can't let that bother you because
Speaker 1: you are leading to that icon status. You want to
Speaker 1: be that person that transcends generations, not that one eleven
Speaker 1: year old or that seventeen year old, or someone calls
Speaker 1: it o G. Someone calls you onto your own gole
Speaker 1: or whatever your fingers. That don't matter. M that's real.
Speaker 1: That's real with ticktok'll funk with TikTok. I have I
Speaker 1: have a I have a love hate relationship with TikTok.
Speaker 1: It feels say that because mind you, because of TikTok.
Speaker 1: My my record because of you is charting right now.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. That's from my second fucking album.
Speaker 1: I've been here damn to twenty years. A song from
Speaker 1: my second album's charting because of TikTok because some little
Speaker 1: cats somewhere decided to get on there and and and
Speaker 1: and figure out to dance whatever to my ship. So
Speaker 1: I can't I can't ever, I can't what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I can't ever feel a way about TikTok because that
Speaker 1: that reality is reality. However, at the same time, there
Speaker 1: are songs that I've discovered via TikTok. There's artists that
Speaker 1: I've discovered via TikTok, And it's like what happens more
Speaker 1: often than not is that you hear the song on
Speaker 1: TikTok for the first time, well whatever, you know, clever
Speaker 1: ass video or creative whatever, whatever the case may be.
Speaker 1: And then you go to Apple Music, you go to Spotify,
Speaker 1: pandor or whatever Top two, and you listen to the
Speaker 1: whole record and you realize the only part of the
Speaker 1: song that you like is the TikTok that is damaging there,
Speaker 1: that is damaging to the point where there's literally cats
Speaker 1: going to the studio creating records specifically for the TikTok.
Speaker 1: You get fifteen minutes of quality, you get thirty minutes
Speaker 1: of quality. Anything after that it don't even fucking matter
Speaker 1: because you got your fifteen seconds. You got your fifteen
Speaker 1: your thirty seconds, right, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: that's that's the love and hate again. I've discovered artists
Speaker 1: off of TikTok. I've discovered music off of TikTok. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, for a cat to go into
Speaker 1: the studio and create art based off of what based
Speaker 1: off of the boundaries that TikTok has created, that's a
Speaker 1: problem for me personally, you know what I mean, that's
Speaker 1: a problem for me. I had to accept the fact
Speaker 1: that as music evolves. Attentions fans are shorter. Now, so
Speaker 1: where you know, shout out to the boy, what's what's
Speaker 1: what's my boy? Cappella? Cappella Gray, what's his name? It's
Speaker 1: about the gallus Gallas. This is my palace. But I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do this song is like two songs amazing. Don't
Speaker 1: talk about shouted to the boy I made you Cappella Gray.
Speaker 1: I don't know his name. I'm whack. I'm right now,
Speaker 1: but shout out to him. But but that is just
Speaker 1: prime example of the fact that attention spans are shorter.
Speaker 1: Now that that's not a like for the standard of
Speaker 1: what a song is supposed to be. That's not a
Speaker 1: full So it's two it's two minutes, it's a two
Speaker 1: minute records shorter. Second, bro right, this is TikTok's This
Speaker 1: is TikTok's uh algorithm. Yeah, this is there, this is
Speaker 1: this is why it is what it is. TikTok text
Speaker 1: has created this to where anything over two minutes too long.
Speaker 1: Then they banked on the fact that attention spans are shorter,
Speaker 1: and they and and they played to that you get
Speaker 1: fifteen seconds. That does that make you make records different?
Speaker 1: Not me? That will make an artist make records different.
Speaker 1: But I don't make music specifically for TikTok. I make
Speaker 1: music for people. Now, if a person finds it within
Speaker 1: theirselfs to take fifteen seconds of a song that I
Speaker 1: created and do something TikTok to it, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: stand in this way. But I will never go in
Speaker 1: the studio like, all right, let's create some records. I'm
Speaker 1: not that's I'm not doing that. I'm not doing I'm
Speaker 1: not doing Come on. I came in, but I came
Speaker 1: up in an era where Luther Andres could do a
Speaker 1: ten minutes song and he didn't realize it was ten
Speaker 1: minutes until it was over. You know I'm talking about
Speaker 1: because you was just in the whole time, every fun,
Speaker 1: every swell, every lyric, every every fucking uh violin lick
Speaker 1: whatever that you was in, and then the ship was over,
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh ship, but in minutes. That's where
Speaker 1: I come from. That's where I come from. And to
Speaker 1: truly get your point across, I'm sorry. Sometimes to take
Speaker 1: a look takes a little longer than two minutes. It
Speaker 1: takes a little longer than you know. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: it might be you need three verses. Yeah, at least
Speaker 1: at least so let me ask you out. When John
Speaker 1: comes to you, that actually about so he said Tanna earlier.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you called it. But Elton John
Speaker 1: comes to you, Old John says, I want you the
Speaker 1: writer record for me. But it gives you the subject matter.
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily something that you are part of your
Speaker 1: straight man. Yes, we want to stand there, but John
Speaker 1: want to go ranching right, he wanted to do that.
Speaker 1: How do you how do you go about saying, oh, John,
Speaker 1: I got you to be a To be a songwriter,
Speaker 1: to step out in front of the world and declare
Speaker 1: yourself a songwriter is to declare yourself a public servant,
Speaker 1: meaning I am a person that writes music for the world.
Speaker 1: I'm a person that writes music for the world to enjoy.
Speaker 1: If Elton John comes to me and says he wants
Speaker 1: to write a gay anthem, but I'm not gay. But
Speaker 1: he comes to me and says he likes the way
Speaker 1: that I use words, then I'm gonna jump in. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna jump in. And that's what it's that. That's that's
Speaker 1: what I try to get a lot of these young
Speaker 1: songwriters to understand. The more versaustl you are, the bigger
Speaker 1: the potential for your bag. If a gay artist comes
Speaker 1: to you and ask for a song and you're not gay,
Speaker 1: so what You're not gonna write the song doesn't mean
Speaker 1: you're The way you write it is for you, it's
Speaker 1: no you find you find a way to tap into
Speaker 1: their ship. You find a way. That's I got into songwriting.
Speaker 1: I can't friend about this. I got into songwriting because
Speaker 1: of the ability to not be me. There was a
Speaker 1: point in my life where I ain't want to be me.
Speaker 1: I ain't want to I ain't want my reality. I
Speaker 1: want any other reality but mine. Songwriting allows that. If
Speaker 1: I write a song for Beyonce in that moment, I'm
Speaker 1: sucking Beyonce, Goddamn, I'm I'm hurt, I'm here, I'm whoever
Speaker 1: the fuck? You know what I'm saying, I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not me, And that was the the attraction to songwriting. Initially.
Speaker 1: I ain't want to be me for a minute. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It's it's it's it's it's deep,
Speaker 1: and it's darkness, dumb, and I don't want to go there.
Speaker 1: But there was a point in my life where anything
Speaker 1: outside of who I was was good for me, and
Speaker 1: that's what helped me really lock into songwriting, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So if you're writing for somebody other
Speaker 1: than yourself, you have to consider the fact that you're
Speaker 1: writing for somebody other than you. This is not about
Speaker 1: a person that likes Mexican food and digs of color red. No,
Speaker 1: you're writing for somebody else. This is somebody outside of you.
Speaker 1: This motherfucker likes purple and and and fucking Italian food,
Speaker 1: whatever the fuck. Whatever the fuck, you lock into that
Speaker 1: and you're right from there. That's that's that's how I've
Speaker 1: always got it in and that ship is works for me.
Speaker 1: Anybody could come to you, anybody write a subject about
Speaker 1: anybody like abody, if a person like pistachio ice cream.
Speaker 1: M hm hm no, no, no, because I see what
Speaker 1: you're doing. Go and you have you ever had past
Speaker 1: I have. I'm not a fan. I'm not a fan.
Speaker 1: And Beyonce came to me and said, yo, I love
Speaker 1: pistachio ice cream and I want to sing about it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna writer. I don't write, just want to make
Speaker 1: you like pistachio ice cream. If you don't your cream.
Speaker 1: You will do something like it too. I'm gonna write
Speaker 1: this song to make you go yo. I ain't never
Speaker 1: had pistetio ice cream, but let's get some. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: write that record. That's that's the that's the mentality, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. That's that's what it is. Ice
Speaker 1: King in Queens, New York. That was y'all shout out
Speaker 1: because that's my favorite Italian excuse me, ice cream shout
Speaker 1: out for staff your ice cream. I'm sorry, well I would, Yes,
Speaker 1: you want to smoke a blood with me, I've been
Speaker 1: I've been smoking a blood. Let's smoke a blood together,
Speaker 1: real blood. Give my blood blood. Listen. I came here
Speaker 1: from the airport, right, we try to give straight here.
Speaker 1: The newcases in the back room over there, all right, okay,
Speaker 1: funk with y'all. It's like funk with y'all. I just
Speaker 1: I've worked hard enough in this business to be like, hey,
Speaker 1: I understand y'all got a time frame, but I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go to the hotel and get my ships straight and
Speaker 1: get him with y'all. I've worked hard enough to you
Speaker 1: to demand that. Came here the airport when job you
Speaker 1: know why you know why, I'm gonna be honest. Man,
Speaker 1: were so artists friendly, were so artists basic, and we
Speaker 1: so the thing about it is, I've lived this life
Speaker 1: that you're living. I lived it, and I want to
Speaker 1: I want to salute it, like I love this life
Speaker 1: so much. Has changed my life. Like I literally had
Speaker 1: six months to find a job when I came home
Speaker 1: from jail, and my job that I found was hip hop.
Speaker 1: That's saved my life. So this is my way of
Speaker 1: giving back, And this is my way of seeing people
Speaker 1: like you, you know who came up probably after me,
Speaker 1: but you came up and you got that. You deserve
Speaker 1: your flowers, You deserved people to tell you how great
Speaker 1: you are to your motherfucking face. And I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 1: And then you don't take nothing away from me. I
Speaker 1: don't take nothing. I'm still I'm still the ill nigger
Speaker 1: that I am. But to tell you that motherfucking Neo
Speaker 1: is a motherfucking and all the ship you did and
Speaker 1: continue to do, and all the artists that you work with.
Speaker 1: When I looked at your discography, and I looked at
Speaker 1: because you know that's what I do. I google, but
Speaker 1: I like I like Foogo it's not like really Google,
Speaker 1: like I like half freegoogl right, So because guys, but
Speaker 1: all I and then when I see your name and
Speaker 1: when I see your name attached to all these other names,
Speaker 1: and I was just like, damn, this is this is
Speaker 1: so dope for my homie to come because because I
Speaker 1: know you from back there, but but for my homie
Speaker 1: to come and bless us because that's what you choose
Speaker 1: is you could have been in any world in the
Speaker 1: world tonight. You can't here though, but you're here with
Speaker 1: drink chance, So thank you so much. And don't mix
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Speaker 1: I was too late. Don't mix that drink. It's straight cast.
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Speaker 1: I'm really happy. I'm really yeappy, really drinking your jews
Speaker 1: because y'all drink pappy fad winkle. My suits don't winkle.
Speaker 1: Always had the piss. I never had the twinkle, nor remasculine.
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Speaker 1: We had to left. I see they claiming that they
Speaker 1: rich to the bill, come to they accident or I
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Speaker 1: like new life to me is cocaine a whole new
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