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Speaker 1: Paul Calvic with me Bird Gang.

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Speaker 2: He was there.

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Speaker 1: He was in Indianapolis watching the Cardinals and play well

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Speaker 1: more play. The defense, they too, just needed one more play,

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Speaker 1: one more stop. It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode nine thirty five,

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Speaker 1: and it starts now.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 2: Poa Baker, what Heart?

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Speaker 1: What rent?

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Speaker 2: This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: He's at the ten half of five. He's it again,

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Speaker 1: so more hurry magic.

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Speaker 3: Whoa, here's Craig trailer.

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Speaker 1: Because we always care about the sideline reporter. Paul and

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Speaker 1: I know it was a big deal watching the game

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Speaker 1: The problem is, Paul, is another close game, another close

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Speaker 4: Colts are pretty good. They unbeatable. Are they invincible? Absolutely not, Dode.

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Speaker 1: The game plan going in at least in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you have that many pass attempts. That means more

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Speaker 4: open receiver? That way the threat of my legs running

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Speaker 4: for the end zone? So I get it. The backup

434
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Speaker 4: quarterback is always the easiest option. You know why, Because

435
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,439
Speaker 4: it's one player, it's one dude. It's just so easy

436
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 4: to identify. It's in case of emergency, break glass, back

437
00:22:55,880 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 4: up QB, whereas some of these other issues are a

438
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 4: little more evasive in trying to find an answer involved

439
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 4: more than just one player checking one guy into a game.

440
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 4: How do we fix the run game, How do you

441
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 4: fix pass protection? How do you affect the quarterback more

442
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 4: in the fourth quarter? These are all issues critical. So

443
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 4: for everything Jacoby Brissett did, and it was a pleasure

444
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,640
Speaker 4: to watch. It was fantastic. They still what happened.

445
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,440
Speaker 2: They still suffered a close loss, the exact same outcome

446
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 2: they had with QB one K one the three previous games.

447
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Speaker 1: It's a good point because what you gain in a

448
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 1: Jacoby Brissett, as far as his ability and willingness to

449
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 1: stay in the pocket, you lose the mobility that a

450
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray would give you inside the red zone and

451
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 1: the threat that the defense has to take into account.

452
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 1: You lose that extra playmaker inside the red zone, inside

453
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Speaker 1: the ten yard line. Because it's a good point. Didn't

454
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Speaker 1: think about it at the time, but yeah, you're inside

455
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 1: the ten yard line and you've got three different shots

456
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Speaker 1: to get into the end zone for the go ahead score,

457
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Speaker 1: maybe the game winning score, and it was all pass attempts.

458
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 1: There was no threat of the run. James is hurt,

459
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 1: Trey's hurt, and you don't have Kyler Murray. Might have

460
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 1: looked a little bit differently on that final drive if

461
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 1: you did have Kyler Murray. Not to say that he

462
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Speaker 1: would have ran the ball, but it's the threat of

463
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Speaker 1: the run that might be opened things up a little

464
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Speaker 1: bit more over the middle or underneath and allow the

465
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Speaker 1: Cardinals to score the go I had touchdown. Now, I'll

466
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Speaker 1: say this, I don't know where on the field you

467
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 1: were in relation to that final pass attempt that fell incomplete,

468
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Speaker 1: But a lot of discussion in the moment and afterwards

469
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Speaker 1: about whether Trey McBride was held or not. Trey certainly

470
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Speaker 1: thought so. He said as much postgame. He acted like

471
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Speaker 1: he was held in the moment. I don't think it

472
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Speaker 1: was egregious. I don't think it was blatant. Was their contact? Sure?

473
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Speaker 1: Did the officials see it? Maybe they did, Maybe they're screened,

474
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Speaker 1: Maybe there was some ostacles in their way, or again,

475
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Speaker 1: was it not as much contact that they thought that

476
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Speaker 1: really impeded Trey's route to that football? But again, then

477
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,199
Speaker 1: the throw was certainly a little high, well high. And

478
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Speaker 1: why now was that because Tray was held and prevented

479
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Speaker 1: from getting to that spot? I don't know. But again,

480
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,959
Speaker 1: never comes down to one play. You were in that

481
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Speaker 1: position to make the play. But it goes back to

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Speaker 1: Week one in New Orleans and an offense trying to

483
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Speaker 1: get one more play to finish the game on the field,

484
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Speaker 1: and they haven't been able to do that.

485
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Speaker 4: I will say, in terms of the reaction in the sideline.

486
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Speaker 4: It was much more severe to the interception by Jacoby

487
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Speaker 4: Brussett in the first half where Jay Jones got impacted,

488
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Speaker 4: whether it was incidental contact, whether it should have been

489
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Speaker 4: illegal contact because Jay Jones was knocked off his route

490
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Speaker 4: beyond the five yard mark. I do know the cardinal

491
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Speaker 4: sideline went ballistic, players and coaches at the za Jones

492
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Speaker 4: with the interception, not so much with Trey mcbe all

493
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Speaker 4: the reasons you listened in. I think there's also the

494
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Speaker 4: NBA factor. The officials tend to swallow their whistle with

495
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Speaker 4: the game on the line, game hanging in the balance,

496
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Speaker 4: they allow more physicality when the outcome is being decided

497
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Speaker 4: at the very end.

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Speaker 2: It just is.

499
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Speaker 4: It's just the way it is. And so you know,

500
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Speaker 4: it wasn't It wasn't as big a shock factor that

501
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 4: the whistle didn't blow, a flag wasn't thrown in that moment. Yeah,

502
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Speaker 4: I think the bigger issue was maybe Jacoby Brissette got

503
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Speaker 4: sped up a little too much. And so you know,

504
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Speaker 4: the intriguing thing is if you can uptick the pass

505
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Speaker 4: protection for a Jacoby Brissette, let's say he's your guy

506
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Speaker 4: against Green Bay, you know, I think it's really intriguing.

507
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Speaker 4: When he wasn't pressured, he was dang near perfect. I

508
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 4: don't know what the metric. I saw a metric and

509
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Speaker 4: I should have written it down. But when he was

510
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Speaker 4: pressured versus not pressured, I mean not pressured Jacoby Brissett,

511
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 4: it was like, hey, defense, you better pack a lunch

512
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Speaker 4: because I'm out here and I'm carving you up. The

513
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Speaker 4: only time the Colts pass defense had any chance against

514
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Speaker 4: Brissette is when they were getting pressure on them.

515
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Speaker 1: When pressured six of twenty when not pressured, twelve of

516
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Speaker 1: twenty four, two hundred and twenty nine yards and two touchdowns.

517
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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, and again it always it's it's never

518
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Speaker 1: one thing but you. But when you're in the middle

519
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 1: of a four game losing streak and the offense hasn't

520
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 1: looked good all season up until Sunday, you're always looking

521
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Speaker 1: for something.

522
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Speaker 4: And conversely, real quick, the fact that the Cardinals defense

523
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 4: hasn'tforced a fourth quarter punt since Week one, that's the inverse.

524
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Speaker 4: They're not getting to the quarterback enough in the fourth

525
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Speaker 4: quarter with the game on the line.

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Speaker 1: Let's touch on the defense because as much as there

527
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: has been talk about the offense, and rightfully so the defense.

528
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Speaker 1: Can you get one more stop? And in the first half,

529
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Speaker 1: you're talking about a Colts offense that had punted the

530
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Speaker 1: ball seven times through its first five games, seven times.

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Speaker 1: Cardinals defense forced three punts in the first half.

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Speaker 2: Intest, you know what I did.

533
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Speaker 4: I saw that stat, the seven punts all year. That

534
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 4: was one of the ones where I'm like, through Gayzy,

535
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 4: come on, really, are we really buying the Colts. And

536
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Speaker 4: then to say that the Cardinals defense, especially after that

537
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Speaker 4: opening drive where the Colts went down the field. However

538
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 4: the Cardinals responded or adjusted, I'm not exactly sure, but

539
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 4: obviously it was much more stout and to force three

540
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Speaker 4: punts there in the first half, that's you know, that's

541
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Speaker 4: a great stat. I did not quite realize that, and

542
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 4: that speaks to what the defense is capable of.

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Speaker 1: Didn't see it though. In the second half. Nope, they

544
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 1: didn't get off the field. Yes, they allowed a field goal,

545
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: but those first four possessions, not counting the kneel down

546
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Speaker 1: at the end of the game, which they ran out

547
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Speaker 1: the clock. But the Colts had the ball four times,

548
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: they scored four times, and excuse me, they had the

549
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: ball four times total. They scored three times the field

550
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Speaker 1: goal and then Daniel Jones with the touchdown toss and

551
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Speaker 1: the Jonathan Taylor with a touchdown run.

552
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Speaker 2: Cardinals were not.

553
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Speaker 1: Able to get the Colts off the field field goal,

554
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: I guess is somewhat of a stop. So that's someone

555
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: to win. But it's those final two scoring drives. And

556
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,959
Speaker 1: you know this is going to be a talking point

557
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: this week because you look at those final two scoring

558
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: drives six plays, nine plays. The Colts faced a third

559
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Speaker 1: down just once. Wow, on any of those final two drives,

560
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: just once. So what are you doing on first and

561
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: second down to get the third down so you can

562
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: rush the quarterback. But then I'll say this because Daniel

563
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: Jones going to that game was just as good as

564
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Speaker 1: he was facing pressure when he was not facing pressure.

565
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Speaker 1: That's how well he has been playing. And it's easy

566
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: to say, we'll just dial it up more. Well, now

567
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: you're leaving your secondary out on a island, and Daniel

568
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: Jones is smart enough. You can make all the jokes

569
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: you want, but he is smart enough to know, Okay,

570
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: here comes the blitz. I know where my read is

571
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: going before you even come at me. And I'm gonna

572
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Speaker 1: get rid of the football quickly.

573
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Speaker 4: Look, every single veteran defender that I talked to in

574
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 4: the Cardinals locker room last week said a couple of things. One,

575
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 4: Daniel Jones really hadn't been touched very much all year.

576
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 4: Number two, they have maybe the most balanced offense in

577
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 4: the league, and if you're gonna let them stay balanced,

578
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 4: it's gonna be a long day. And sure enough, what happened.

579
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Speaker 4: They ran for a buck fifty. Johnathan Taylor had a

580
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 4: buck twenty three. He had some good runs in key moments.

581
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 4: So there was always the threat of the run. And

582
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Speaker 4: you're wondering, wait a minute, I was Daniel Jones, so

583
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 4: effective went quote under pressure, Well, there was always still

584
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 4: the threat of the run. So yes, even when the

585
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 4: Cardinals dig it into the backfield, it wasn't instantly because

586
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Speaker 4: they had to respect the run before they got after

587
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Speaker 4: the quarterback. And then that's Daniel Jones in year seven.

588
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 4: Remember he's the same draft class as Kyler Murray. He

589
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 4: went six after Kyler went number one overall. So he's

590
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 4: been through the Giants and everything that New York offers.

591
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 4: He was with Kevin O'Connell and so he got some

592
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 4: good schooling there, Shane Stike. And you know the regard

593
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 4: with which Jonathan Gannon holds the offensive mine as Shane Stiking.

594
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 4: So and he has weapons. Plus he has a top

595
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 4: ranked run game, so all that in the case of

596
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 4: balanced offense, just don't make mistakes, get the ball out,

597
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 4: get it out on time. And you know he has

598
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 4: a skill set he was a six pick overall. And

599
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 4: then also his legs to keep a defense. Honest, he's

600
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 4: won a playoff game in his career. In that game,

601
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 4: he almost ran for one hundred yards in that playoff

602
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 4: win by the Giants against the Vikings. So all that

603
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 4: being told, it's a nice little combination right now for

604
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 4: the Colts. When they I said it last week, I'll

605
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 4: say it again. That game remind me so much of

606
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 4: the Cardinals going into Minnesota a year ago, nine to

607
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 4: two Vikings Sam Donald, a resurgence, Sam Donald, top five pick.

608
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 4: Here's Daniel Jones doing almost the exact same thing with

609
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 4: the Colts here in twenty twenty five.

610
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Speaker 1: And what's the separation. Those teams find the way to

611
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: get it done down the stretch, and the Cardinals are

612
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: still trying to figure out those answers. How do you

613
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: get one more play offensively the completion? How do you

614
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: get that ball completed to Trey McBride on fourth down?

615
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: How does the defense get off the field on any

616
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: one of those last two scoring drives to put the

617
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: ball back in the hand of the offense. So you

618
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: can have all the conversations you want post Sunday about

619
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: the offense, but let's not lose sight of the defense

620
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: as well. Thirty one points, You're not going to win

621
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Speaker 1: many games. A handful of games maybe, but you're not

622
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: gonna win a lot of games giving up thirty one points.

623
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: And again comes down to the fourth quarter. Cardinals were

624
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: outscored fourteen to three in that fourth quarter. They are

625
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: not good in those final fifteen minutes. Whether it's on

626
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: offense or whether it's on defense. The final fifteen minutes

627
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,479
Speaker 1: have kept the Arizona Cardinals to where they are right

628
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: now two and four looking up at everyone else in

629
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: the NFC. Wise, figure out those final fifteen minutes over

630
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: the next two thirds of this season. Then all of

631
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: a sudden, you get out of that conversation about Okay, yes,

632
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: this Cardinals team has the talent, plus they have figured

633
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: out things out on how to play a full sixty

634
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: minutes of football.

635
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Speaker 4: Buddha Baker, he had a pick six. Yes, now that

636
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 4: that ball had some v low on it, that was

637
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 4: right in front of me. That's a tough catch for anyone,

638
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 4: especially a dB, especially running full speed to the recis

639
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 4: and then the ball's coming at you, and so that's

640
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 4: a high degree difficulty. But if Buddha Baker, and you

641
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 4: know he expects himself to make that play, he's gone.

642
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 4: There's absolutely no doubt he doesn't get hawked by DK

643
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 4: Metcalf on that play. Put it that way. So there

644
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 4: were opportunities and once again, it's the one or two

645
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 4: or three plays in the game that make the difference

646
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 4: in the game. So are you close in a lot

647
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Speaker 4: of ways, yes, But until you make those plays, you're

648
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Speaker 4: not close to being a winning team. Can the Cardinals

649
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Speaker 4: do that against the Packers? Absolutely? I mean we can

650
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Speaker 4: get into the Packers. We've got the rest of the week.

651
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Speaker 4: But you know they've had their share of struggles. They

652
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Speaker 4: give up a forty burger to the Dallas Cowboys in

653
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Speaker 4: a tie. You know, they didn't look all that great

654
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Speaker 4: against the Bengals. Now a year ago, Matt laflorket. The

655
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,719
Speaker 4: Cardinals defense, honest had some really slick play calling. So

656
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Speaker 4: hopefully there's something to learn going against going to Lambeau

657
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 4: last year. But if you can get this win, get

658
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Speaker 4: into the bye week, try and get healthy. Okay, I mean,

659
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Speaker 4: you know you've been in every game against every opponent,

660
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Speaker 4: good or bad. Just stay alive and see what.

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Speaker 1: Happens Cardinals and Colts on Sunday. The difference really could

662
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Speaker 1: be complimentary football. What do the Arizona Cardinals do when

663
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: they did have that takeaway? Well, they turned it back

664
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Speaker 1: over to the Colts. What do the Colts do when

665
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 1: they had that one takeaway? They scored a touchdown? And

666
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Speaker 1: it's it's a game in which sometimes the offense is

667
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Speaker 1: playing well, yet the defense is not living up to

668
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Speaker 1: its bargain. And then there are games or sections of

669
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: games in which the defense is playing well and then

670
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Speaker 1: the offense can't live up to its And it's you're

671
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 1: not getting that balance. It's the seesaw is tipped in

672
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: one favor on one side over the other each and

673
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: every week. How do you get balance? How do you

674
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Speaker 1: get even on what you're getting offensively and defensively? And

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the answer is because every time

676
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Speaker 1: we ask it, Paul, it's the same execution limit, the

677
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Speaker 1: mistakes limit, the penalties, value the ball, and I get

678
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Speaker 1: all that. Yet here you are third of the way

679
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Speaker 1: into the season. It's like, Okay, it's still happening, but

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Speaker 1: as you like to say, it's different players taking their

681
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Speaker 1: moment to make a different mistake, and all of a

682
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: sudden it's like, okay, here you are four straight losses

683
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Speaker 1: and four losses by a combined nine points.

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Speaker 4: So execution is the most popular answer. Did you notice

685
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Speaker 4: the other buzzword keyword coming from almost every player and

686
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Speaker 4: coach last week?

687
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Speaker 2: Details?

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Speaker 4: Jonathan Gannon started the week by saying, the jump is

689
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Speaker 4: in the details. You can improve the details. That's how

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Speaker 4: you ascend as a team. To me, let's translate that

691
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 4: to me, that is focus on eliminating the self inflicted mistakes,

692
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 4: the penalties, the mental errors going out there, keeping that

693
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Speaker 4: focus so you're not the guy at a different time

694
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 4: taking your one turn to make your one mistake. So

695
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 4: if you can eliminate that, that means you're maximizing the

696
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,919
Speaker 4: ability of this team, even as depleted as it is

697
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 4: with injuries. Everybody's injured. No one wants to hear about

698
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Speaker 4: it as brutal as it is. I mean, there's no

699
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Speaker 4: doubt the run game is completely different without James Connor,

700
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Speaker 4: completely different without Trey Benson.

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Speaker 1: It just is.

702
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Speaker 4: And so all right, you got to figure it out

703
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,919
Speaker 4: and scheme it up. But once again, if different guys

704
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Speaker 4: are taking their turn to make that one mistake, well

705
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Speaker 4: guess what, you're not on your own details. So yes,

706
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Speaker 4: it's media speak, but I think it's code for what

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Speaker 4: the coaches are basically imploying that locker room, improve your focus,

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Speaker 4: get rid of the self inflicted airrors. And and you

709
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Speaker 4: saw some of it, you know, you saw with a

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Speaker 4: couple of face masks, you know yesterday, right, I mean

711
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 4: you know I asked Jonathan Gannon about that. You know,

712
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Speaker 4: there was there were There was that fourth quarter field

713
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Speaker 4: goal drive. You had three flags on that one. You

714
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,479
Speaker 4: had the big play is he had the big play

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Speaker 4: to Elijah Higgins, but he also had three flags that

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00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 4: factored in. He also had again the two face masks,

717
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Speaker 4: one by Jay Jones, the other on defense was Zamon Collins.

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Speaker 4: I believe these are all very costly and very correctable.

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Speaker 1: Let's end on a positive note. We'll get to the

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Speaker 1: Angry Bird Award here in a moment. It's been a

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Speaker 1: little while here on Mondays. I'll give the Arizona Cardinals

722
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Speaker 1: credit because I do think it wasn't just a good response.

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Speaker 1: I think it was a great response considering where I know,

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Speaker 1: where I was, where the fan base was. After the

725
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Speaker 1: loss to the Tennessee Titans, very easily could have thrown

726
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Speaker 1: in the tonnel and said, you know what, We're just

727
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Speaker 1: this is just not happening for us based on how

728
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Speaker 1: that game finished two weeks ago.

729
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Speaker 2: But what happened.

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Speaker 1: Cardinals go on the road in Indianapolis against the Colts

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Speaker 1: team that, yeah, maybe a surprise, but certainly looks every

732
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Speaker 1: bit as the number one team in the AFC, at

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Speaker 1: least as far as the seedings are concerned. You can

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Speaker 1: argue whether they are the best team in the AFC.

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Speaker 1: But the Arizona Cardinals did something that not a lot

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Speaker 1: of teams have done, and that is play a close

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Speaker 1: game against the Indianapolis Colts with an opportunity to win

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Speaker 1: on the road at Lucas Oil Stadium, where the Colts

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Speaker 1: were going into that game. Three and oh, So I'll

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Speaker 1: give the Arizona Cardinals credit. And that's everyone, that's coaches

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Speaker 1: as players. As far as how you able to respond

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Speaker 1: and bounce back from what could have been, well, it was,

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Speaker 1: at least for me rock bottom losing to the Tennessee Titans,

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Speaker 1: but being able to climb yourself out of that hole

745
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: and put yourself in position to win. Didn't finish, but

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Speaker 1: at least you were there and made it competitive, because

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Speaker 1: it very easily could have been a twenty point defeat

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Speaker 1: or a thirty point defeat if you didn't bother to

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Speaker 1: show up.

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Speaker 4: True, No, absolutely, those are all facts.

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Speaker 2: And I get it.

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Speaker 4: The state of Indiana's feeling itself right now, smelling itself right.

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Speaker 4: I used number three and they had the big win,

754
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 4: and the Pacers were in the NBA finals and the

755
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 4: Indiana fever of the WNBA, you know, and the five

756
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 4: hundred was a home run and they sold that, get

757
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 4: it all that. But when it was twenty four to

758
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 4: seventeen Cardinals late third quarter, Greg dortch on the touchdown,

759
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 4: that place.

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Speaker 2: Was silent, absolutely silent.

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Speaker 4: So as for the Angry Bird Award, and I can't

762
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Speaker 4: give it away even though this is audio only, without

763
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Speaker 4: holding onto it.

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Speaker 2: So I went and grabbed it over here. I don't

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Speaker 2: know why.

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Speaker 4: There's several candidates. Trey McBride the touchdown catch. He had

767
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Speaker 4: that whole drive, and they believe he had four catches

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Speaker 4: including the touchdown on that drive. Dude was absolutely gassed

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Speaker 4: when he came to the sideline. Came to the sideline,

770
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Speaker 4: went down on knee, put his helmet down, and all

771
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Speaker 4: the trainers ran over. Okay, they do that for every player,

772
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 4: especially eighty five. He's like, I'm good, I'm good. I

773
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Speaker 4: just need a moment, and then he went to the

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Speaker 4: bench and then Jonathan Gannon came over. When there was

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Speaker 4: some downtime. There was a stoppage and play got to

776
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Speaker 4: put his arm around Trey. You're good, You're good, and

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Speaker 4: he smiled, Yeah, I just got to catch my win.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he left everything out on that field, Trey McBride.

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Speaker 4: But I gotta go with Jacoby Brissett. Most taalatious play player,

780
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Speaker 4: just based on that shot he took on third down

781
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Speaker 4: of the first possession. Fifty eight drilled him, beat Michael

782
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Speaker 4: Carter on the pass pro and Jacoby Brissett came out.

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Speaker 1: It was.

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Speaker 4: The analogy I made was Carson Palmer, and it really

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Speaker 4: lived up to that at that very moment because he

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Speaker 4: came over to.

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Speaker 2: The sideline seething.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he got drilled in the ribs somewhere in

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Speaker 4: the mid section. He's trying to catch his breath. He's

790
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Speaker 4: in a lot of pain. I mean that's.

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Speaker 2: Early first quarter.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, oh my goodness, are we gonna see Keaton

793
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Speaker 4: Slovas And he gutted out the entirety of the rest

794
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Speaker 4: of that game, Jacoby Brissett played, you know, just the

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Speaker 4: effort itself and to do a lot of that in pain.

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Speaker 2: Angry Bird Award winner.

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Speaker 1: Three hundred and twenty passing yards sixth shy of tying

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Speaker 1: his career high forty four pass attempts, the fourth most

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Speaker 1: of his career. AQ Schippley on the broadcast early in

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Speaker 1: that game was noticing how many times Jacoby was getting

801
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Speaker 1: hit and then getting back up to the point where

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Speaker 1: Akiel on the air was like, I'm not liking what

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00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: I'm seeing right now. This is way too much because

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00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: you lose your quarterback and all of a sudden, to

805
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: your point, it's okay, you're down to your backup. Now,

806
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you gotta go your third stringth

807
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Speaker 1: QB on the road against Indianapolis. But yeah, Jacoby Brissett

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00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 1: hanging in the pocket, better pass protection moving forward, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: But it is the difference between what Jacoby gives you

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Speaker 1: versus what Kyler gives you. And then the flip side

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Speaker 1: is Jacoby's not gonna run around Kyler is which can

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Speaker 1: make plays happen with his feet. Jacoby's not gonna do that.

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Speaker 1: We did see the one scramble, but he is mainly

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Speaker 1: a pocket passer. Let everyone else.

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Speaker 2: Do the dirty work.

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Speaker 4: Remember we were talking to Will Hernandez a couple weeks

817
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 4: ago before he made his regular season debut, and what

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00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 4: he says, it's not so much of the game itself

819
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Speaker 4: when you haven't played in a year. It's the Monday morning after.

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Speaker 4: It's how you recover. It's how you feel after playing

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Speaker 4: that first game. That's where sort of the shock factor

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Speaker 4: comes in of playing regular season football, full contact, full

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Speaker 4: speed football. So I'm guess Jacoby bris said on the

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Speaker 4: Monday morning after the game he knew he was in

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Speaker 4: a game. If there's such a thing as giving a

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Speaker 4: quarterback of rest day like Kalaias Campbell or Calvin Beacham,

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Speaker 4: they'd probably do it. But they don't have that luxury

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Speaker 4: right now, so I'm guessing they're going to take it

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Speaker 4: easy on him to a certain degree on Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: What will make Jacoby phil a heck of a lot

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Speaker 1: better though Paul is knowing that he is this week's recipients.

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Speaker 1: That's a angry Bird award that's.

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Speaker 4: True in thought and spirit only because once again, there's

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Speaker 4: only one physical angry Bird award. We don't have the

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Speaker 4: budget to actually give it to the player. So as

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Speaker 4: long as he realizes that just you know, know that,

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Speaker 4: you know, it's the knowledge of winning it versus the

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Speaker 4: possession of owning it that really is the key.

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Speaker 1: The thought that counts. As we get closer and closer

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Speaker 1: to the holiday season.

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Speaker 4: I gotta improve my Economy awards. That's you know, we

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00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 4: can all get better with the details. For me, it's

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Speaker 4: Economy awards.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: We'll see what the week entails for the Arizona Cardinals

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Speaker 1: as they get ready to host the Green Bay Packers

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Speaker 1: before there by week. On that notes, we will put

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Speaker 1: a little on This edition of Cardinals Cover two presented

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Speaker 1: by Hyundai, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. As always

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Speaker 1: special thanks to our executive producer Jim Amhundro our associate

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Speaker 1: producer Cody Fincher For Paul Calvic, I'm Craig Real Lou.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next time here on Cardinals Cover two,