WEBVTT - Message Board Madness + Dan Lanning Shoots Down Auburn + Anthony Hill Decommitment 0:00:02.160 --> 0:00:06.880 Welcome to the solid verbal Hell that for me. I'm 0:00:06.880 --> 0:00:08.119 a man, I'm forty. 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:10.119 I've heard so many players say, well, I want to 0:00:10.119 --> 0:00:10.639 be happy. 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:13.000 You want to be happy for a day? Edo state 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:19.520 is that? Woo woo? And Dan and Tye welcome back 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:22.000 to the solid verbal boys and girls. My name is 0:00:22.040 --> 0:00:25.600 ty hilden Brandt. That fine gentleman over there, as always, 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:31.680 his name is the illustrious Dan Rubinstein, the fourteenth. Sir, 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:32.239 how are you? 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:35.640 I'm good, Tye. I've had a productive morning. The sun 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:38.440 is out, I've already thought about what I'm gonna do 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:41.880 for lunch. 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I suspect we know what the rankings 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:50.640 will look like or have an idea for the shape 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:52.240 that they will take on a little bit later on 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:55.080 once they reveal them. But we'll get into that in 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:57.880 more detail on Thursday. And then we're going to play 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:00.400 an old game that we played back in January. Dan, 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:06.520 there is a brilliant Twitter account called message board Geniuses. 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:09.040 Yeah, and I think they have a website too where 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:11.480 they collect all of their postings and such. 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:16.360 They've done a marvelous job. We are borrowing some of 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:20.200 the content from the Twitter feed from the website and 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:23.600 we are going to put on our tinfoil hats I've 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:27.519 got mine here, which I will put on momentarily, and 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:29.280 we're going to talk through what's going on out there 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:31.080 in the wide world of college football. 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:37.160 It's been an especially trying, present, tense and few years 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:41.840 for conspiracy theories, yes, and the way that conspiracy theories 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:46.280 have infiltrated popular culture. That said, if there is one 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:51.440 area where conspiracy theories infiltrating a topic, college football message. 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:56.120 Boards are the best, the absolute best, the best. So 0:02:56.160 --> 0:03:00.400 we've collected a curated list of our favorites hm hm, 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:02.640 which we're going to go through and talk about the 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:05.760 veracity of some of these claims, if you will. Was 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:08.560 that a combination of ferocity and veracity? I love it 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:16.160 if it was. Let's get into news, the breaking news 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:20.200 that already has been broken many hours ago. Jeff Scott 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:23.760 fired at USF. Writing was sort of on the wall 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:26.080 for that one. Jeff Scott's been on the hot seat 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:29.720 for a while now at USF, but made it official 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:33.760 earlier in the week. I have not seen an exhaustive 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:36.200 list of names for who could be in the running 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:38.760 for that job, but you know it's in South Florida. 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:39.800 Not a bad gig. 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:44.480 John Gruden's name has come up really well. He's local 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:47.240 to Tampa. Because South Florida is not in South Florida. 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:49.760 It's south of other parts of South I don't where 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:52.200 it's Florida, that's right, Yes, yeah, that's why they call 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:55.000 it south of other parts of Florida University, University of 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:58.800 South other parts. It is potentially a good job. Obviously 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:03.400 Willie Taggart had a good amount success there and it's 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:06.240 a relatively new program. You can hit the portal hard, 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:08.960 you can recruit Florida well. The thing that's probably working 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:11.480 against South Florida at the moment is one of the 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:13.880 main schools that they were recruiting against and they have 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:15.760 been recruiting against, is about to join the Big twelve, 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:19.960 is about to join a bigger conference in UCF. I 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:22.000 still think it's going to be a money issue in 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:24.280 terms of building out the facilities, and I know that 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:28.679 they've taken steps forward and just building out the program 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:32.440 infrastructure to keep growing along with some of the success 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:36.960 that they've had. Not a great era for Dabo Sweeney's 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:41.159 Tree offensively, both internally and externally at the moment, with 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:43.880 some struggles that obviously Virginia has had this year with 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:47.400 an experienced quarterback, the troubles that USF has obviously had 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:50.880 and now the internal troubles on offense that Clemson can 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:54.400 have and most recently had against Notre Dame. But this 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:57.440 is not about me making things that This about Clemson. 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:00.160 But I thought it was going to work out a 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:02.839 little bit better than it did. I understand where the 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:05.520 roster was at when Jeff Scott took over and that 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:09.440 an overhauling was needed, and we talked about him hitting 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:12.360 the portal pretty hard and looking at at Power five 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:15.839 transfers to come home or to get that opportunity with 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:20.840 the Bulls. But no, with how good the American has gotten, 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:23.000 it was always going to be uphill and he was 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:25.320 always going to need time if he was if he 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:29.280 were going to be the guy, it appears, for reasons 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:33.760 both competitive and probably internal, he's not the guy. 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:38.760 No, No, well we'll see. We'll see which direction they 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:42.440 decide to go. USF with a coaching vacancy some other 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:45.880 news around college football, this sort of made headlines. Our 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:48.880 guy Hayes Fawcett, who he had on the show way 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:52.839 back when talking about social media graphics and at the 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:54.920 time he was still making stuff on his phone. I'm 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:58.479 assuming he's graduild to bigger and better tools now that 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:02.640 he's more closely affiliated with on three. Yes, but he 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:05.520 broke the news that Anthony Hill Junior, one of the 0:06:05.560 --> 0:06:08.960 top linebackers in the class of twenty three, would be 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:14.320 decommitting from Texas A and M and opening his recruitment 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:18.359 back up. This was like big time shock waves in 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:22.240 college football, right because the A and M thing has 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:25.360 already gone sideways this season, sort of a lost cause. 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:27.839 We're going to talk on Thursday about the game that 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:31.240 they've got coming up. They're an underdog at time of recording, 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:35.440 underdog against Auburn, but AM needs to win out in 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:37.720 order to make a bowl game. I don't know how 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:40.239 likely that is or isn't. Again a point for further 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:42.960 discussion on a later show, but just to build on 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:46.640 this already lousy narrative at A and M you have 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:49.880 decommitments like this, I would add that this is on 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:53.240 the heels of an all time great recruiting class by 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:57.520 Jimbo Fisher, So it's not exactly like recruiting is bottoming out. 0:06:57.600 --> 0:07:00.400 But I suppose when you're in that mindset of doom 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:03.560 and gloom and which direction is the program headed despite 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:07.240 all of the steam otherwise seeing a decommitment like this, 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:10.720 and I've seen some of the crystal Ball updates now 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:15.480 have him going to Texas. That's the prediction is just 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:19.600 it's not something that feels great in agguland well. 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:22.800 To be fair, it's November and the early signing day 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:26.600 is next month, So everybody's going to have sort of 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:29.440 a white knuckling month and a half as they try 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:32.520 to hold on to or close out their class with 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:36.400 coaching changes, with you know, everything that happens with the portal, 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:39.120 and people sort of recalculating what they want their class 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:41.840 or roster to look like. And so yeah, this is 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:45.200 sort of the beginning of whatever it is, six weeks 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:48.280 of white knuckling, holding onto your commitments or trying to 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:51.920 close on some bigger fish. But you're not wrong that 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:55.640 this could be an especially hairy stretch of time for 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:59.880 programs who didn't necessarily show out on the field as expected, 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:02.440 and Texas A and M because of the attention that 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:04.880 last year's class brought, because of the nature of Jimbo 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:09.320 Fisher's fame and visibility and contract and the visibility of 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:13.120 the SEC West things like this are going to get 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:15.200 more attention. But I don't think it's I don't think 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:17.480 this specific kind of story is unique to Texas A 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:19.840 and M. But when what is number one linebacker in 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:23.120 the class, number seventeen overall player, sure that's going to 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:25.560 make waves. I don't know if it was Hayes Fawcett 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:27.320 who broke the story, but it might have just been 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:31.520 Anthony Hill, that's his name, who told Anthony Fawcett to 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:34.120 make a graphic for you. Yeah, as Anthony Hill broke 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:37.400 the story, as one does. But regardless, yes Hae Faucet 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:38.400 had his branding on. 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:40.400 It and definitely is in tight with a lot of 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:43.840 these guys. So we'll see what happens with that recruitment again. 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:47.439 It is now open for business. Two other very quick 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:50.360 notes here, please, I wanted to pass along. Did you 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:53.400 see the thing with Dan Patrick on Monday? Yeah? 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:56.360 Dan Patrick, who, By the way, I've always been a 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:57.280 pretty big fan of love. 0:08:57.360 --> 0:08:59.200 Dan has a great job, great interviewer. 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:04.040 Interviewer has dipped his toe, sometimes successfully, sometimes less than 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:07.520 successfully in breaking college football administrative news. 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:12.679 The report was that the PAC twelve was going to 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:18.839 add San Diego State. Yeah, soon, Nicole, Our back, our friend. 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:25.320 Nicole quickly refuted that report, supposedly the imminence of the 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:30.080 of the report, thank you. The source close to the 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:34.320 situation told The Athletic that the report is inaccurate. It's 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:36.640 been Nicole's understanding that the PAC twelve will do it's 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:39.640 media deal first before any kind of conference expansion. This 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:41.360 is the world we live in now, Dan, You're going 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:45.360 to hear about conference expansion for any of the conferences 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:47.959 that have teams leaving or even teams that are coming in. 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:50.800 That's just the nature of the beast now, big money 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:55.080 sport being college football. So we'll see San Diego State 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:59.560 would make sense geographically, you know, will definitely help on 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:01.680 the defense the side of things in the Pact twelve 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:05.760 with respect to football, maybe not so much on offense. Yeah, 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:06.560 I guy. 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:07.680 By the way, I don't know if you saw the 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:09.800 story that broke later on in the day that San 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:12.719 Diego State attendance has been so bad in the new 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:15.880 stadium that they slash ticket prices by like fifty percent 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:18.000 for their last three games. 0:10:18.480 --> 0:10:21.640 Not ideal timing if the story about San Diego State, 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:25.800 even if it's not happening soon, but being vetted to eventually. 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:28.360 Join the conference. Now it has been a disappointing season 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:31.400 after a long stretch of really encouraging seasons for San 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:34.160 Diego State. They haven't figured out offense in quite some time. 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:37.800 So if you are a Mountain West program, if you 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:40.400 are a G five program, and you are looking to 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:43.360 put butts in seats, especially if you are located in 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:46.000 a plate, located in a place with many options of 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:49.200 other things to do, you gotta win, and you got 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:54.480 to win in exciting, flashy fashion. Probably if there's there 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:57.400 hasn't been a culture of excitement around San Diego State 0:10:57.400 --> 0:11:00.840 football locally, it seems obviously the Chargers were the story 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:04.400 in that town, and San Diego State is the home 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:07.280 program to one of the most excellent NFL players of 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:10.360 all time in Marshall Fock. But it's still an uphill battle. 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:14.640 There's still not a college football culture down there. Inasmuch 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:18.199 as people love the idea of California eyeballs more California eyeballs. 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:20.600 With USC and ucile A losing going to the Big 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:24.600 ten eyeballs on the PAC ten twelve whatever conference, san 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:27.160 Diego State has a waste and hopefully the new Stadium 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:29.439 is a step in the right direction, but it has 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:32.600 not generated the kind of excitement early on that I'm 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:35.480 sure the Aztecs have hoped for the other name obviously, 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:37.400 you know, presno state's going to be thrown around there 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:40.080 with the PAC twelve. Gonzaga being rumored to the Big 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:43.240 twelve for basketball only seems to be a shot at 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:46.160 the PAC twelve because of the geographic footprint of Spokane. 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:50.679 UNLV obviously has grown in terms of being a sports 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:54.559 town with the Raiders in the NHL, of course, moving 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:58.559 on moving into Las Vegas. The Golden Knights, the Golden Knights, Yeah, 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:00.400 the Golden Knights. Yeah, I just want to get that right. 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:05.120 But supposedly, like as you mentioned, it's the TV deal 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:08.280 is the priority right now. It seems for the Pac 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:11.439 twelve to get that in place and then figure out 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:13.240 where to go from there in terms of a roster 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:15.440 of teams and grant of rights and all those things. 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:18.720 It makes sense. It makes sense, and we've heard similar 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:24.520 language being included in the Big twelve media deal. Yeah, 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:29.240 you know, trying to take into account future expansion and 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:30.480 they've already expanded. 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:33.080 But yeah, then you've already expanded the Big twelve obviously 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:36.280 is reportedly updated It's TV deal. 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:41.760 Last, but certainly not least, asked about an unsubstantiated rumor 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:44.680 from an Auburn fan produced website stating there was quote 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:49.760 mutual interest yes, between an SEC school you know it's 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:56.080 Auburn and Dan Lanning, first year Oregon Ducks coach said 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:58.720 quote the last thing I ever want to do is 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:03.320 leave and and and end that there was quote a 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:07.640 problem in society zooming out here. Dan Lanning really sees 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:11.200 the field. Yeah, he got the All twenty two. There's 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:13.520 a problem in society with those who constantly look for 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:17.560 their next professional opportunity. So there you go. I would 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:20.560 take that as an emphatic denial that there is any 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:23.720 interest of him being to Auburn really anywhere. Right was 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:28.400 pretty strong. Seems like he's catching on pretty nicely in Eugene. 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:30.920 So if he wants to stay, I'm sure they're willing 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:32.920 to keep him for as long as he wants to 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:35.800 remain in the Pacific Northwest. But Dan Lanning will not 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:38.959 be entertaining offers for that Auburn position at the very least. 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:41.880 Yeah, obviously, so, Dan Lanning is from Missouri, played at 0:13:41.880 --> 0:13:44.600 a very small school. So it's not a situation that 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:47.560 is apples to apples with Mario Christabaal leaving from Miami, 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:49.959 of course, from the city of Miami and played for 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:52.760 Miami and you know, won a ton of games from Miami. 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:55.920 Willie Taggert growing up not far from Florida State and 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:58.240 grew up a Florida State fan. There is not that 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:01.480 connective tissue with Dan Lanning specific to Auburn beyond having 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:04.280 a lot of success coaching and working in the SEC. 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:08.000 It wasn't that that line was the actual line that 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:11.040 I didn't like, because guess what, you should always look 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:13.520 for the next professional opportunity, if you're not happy, if 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:15.280 you're not fulfilled, if you don't think you're making as 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:18.600 much money as you should be in your mind, looked 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:21.080 better your life and your happiness and your financial Like, 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:23.040 I'm okay with that. Do whatever you want if it's 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:25.760 a financial thing or if it's a happiness thing. But 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:29.040 he also mentioned that his eleven year old has lived 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:31.720 in eight states and he was like, the last thing 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:34.320 I want to do is uproot my family again. And 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:37.240 he also mentioned and this was a great for Oregon 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:41.480 fans thing to hear was a lot of guys. This 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:42.280 is me paraphrasing. 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:43.520 I don't know if you have the quote in front 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:45.160 of you, but it was basically like a lot of 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:48.040 guys do well here and then do less well elsewhere. 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:52.360 You like that one when they leave, and so I like, like, 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:54.960 that's the red meat for the Oregon fan base, and 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:57.520 so he basically, I think the phrasing he used was 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:00.120 everybody always thinks the grass is green or elsewhere. The 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:03.040 grass is pretty damn green in Eugene, so it rains 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:04.320 all the time. It has no choice. 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:07.560 It's a nice place tie. I think you'd like like 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:10.320 it a lot. It's very golf and beer forward. I 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:12.600 think you'd like it. But as somebody who attended the 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:15.640 school for four years, I can also attest November through 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:18.160 April can be gray and damp, and that's what I 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:21.240 guess gets the green, particularly the grass particularly green in 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:23.680 the summer. Can we transition out of that really quickly 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:26.400 to something else, please? Been I mean, what is the 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:28.800 phrase that you like to use that's been grinding my gears? 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:30.240 Grinding your gears? 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:33.760 So I hold two thoughts to be true as it 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:37.360 relates to the college football playoff Oregon or whoever else. 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:40.200 I don't think Oregon at the moment is a playoff 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:42.600 caliber team because of their defense, and as an Oregon fan, 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:45.080 I'd much rather see them play an excellent team in 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:47.360 the Rose Bowl or something Michigan, Ohio State, tc. 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:50.200 Something like that. You're afraid, I'm not afraid. 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:53.280 I just know what or this is year one of 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:56.120 the Dan Lanning era and sounds a little. 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:59.320 Bit like there is some fear. But continue, I've watched 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:02.680 Oregon against play I don't want Georgia. I'm sure you 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:04.040 have a very valid point. I don't want to do 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:07.080 real conversation. What I am sounds a little bit like fear. 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:09.520 I think Notre Dame fans should be more scared and 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:12.600 take this tack more often. After that done in the playoff. Yeah, 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:14.200 when he got Drew Pine, you have nothing to worry about. 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:18.760 That's true, fair enough, No, I'm just the resume thing 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:22.520 is always interesting to me because we seem to shift 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:25.640 how we view losses or wins. And I wanted to 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:27.560 pick your brain because I'm too close to with Oregon, 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:30.720 because part of me says, and I've said this for years, 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:34.320 that how you perform against a playoff team during the 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:38.320 season is meaningful, like when Notre Dame specifically lost to 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:40.240 Clemson in the manner in which they did when they 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:43.600 were a brief ACC team in the ACC championship game 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:45.880 in I think it was like two weeks before the playoff, right, 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:48.760 and that year was mid December ahead of a playoff 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:51.680 in early January. I said that was a disqualifying loss 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:54.480 and Notre Dame still got in because of the bulk 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:57.040 of their resume otherwise that they had beat Clemson earlier 0:16:57.240 --> 0:16:59.840 with Clemson's backup quarterback. But whatever win is a win 0:16:59.920 --> 0:17:00.320 is a win. 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:00.800 Sure. 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:03.520 My point is the context of Oregon and how they 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:07.520 should be evaluated is, Yeah, they got completely drilled and 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:10.560 demolished by a playoff team in Week one and game 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:13.560 one of a new coach and a new quarterback, and 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:16.680 my feeling is that was not representative of what Oregon 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:21.280 will probably look like after twelve games, with the bulk 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:25.480 of their impressive wins coming likely from if they're able 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:28.880 to win Utah, USC, Washington, Oregon State teams like that. 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:32.320 That their schedule has not been crazy impressive, and they've 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:36.600 performed like a playoff team would against some pretty bad competition. 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:42.400 My question to you is, how would you rank resume 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:45.520 items in terms of a bad loss to a great 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:48.600 team a good loss to an ok team? Like, I know, 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:50.840 it's a case by k situation. I pulled some of 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:54.200 some recent losses from playoff teams, like Ohio State losing 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:56.959 by two touchdowns to Virginia Tech early on in the season, 0:17:57.440 --> 0:17:59.640 or Michigan State losing two I think was a five 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:01.639 and seven and Michigan State losing to a five and 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:04.600 seven Nebraska team. A foreign eight Syracuse team beats a 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:08.040 Clemson team that makes the playoff, Oklahoma loses to a 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:11.480 five and seven Texas team, and so I just I 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:13.960 know there's no such thing as precedent because the goalposts 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:17.919 move every year and the actual committee changes pretty often. 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:23.400 But in your view, how should we evaluate resume items 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:27.040 with when it comes to winning and losing and the 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:29.880 manner in which and the opponent to which a team 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:32.000 wins or loses or beats. 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:35.320 Well, I mean, I think Oregon's actually a really good example, right, 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:41.680 I am always interested in the very early season throttling 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:46.840 against a good team. So case in point, neutral site 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:50.879 game Week one, Oregon loses by what forty six forty 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:53.919 nine to three? Can confirm forty six points. They lost 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:57.840 handily to Georgia. The narratives changed so much though with 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:03.119 respect Oregon right it's clear that Oregon has improved since 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:06.040 that game. So I think despite the fact that it 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:08.359 was a really bad loss, I do think that I 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:11.119 personally value it a little bit less because the team, 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:13.080 the team that you get at the end of the 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:15.560 season oftentimes is so different than the one you got 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:17.639 at the beginning of the season that you need to 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:19.679 take that into account. And I know the playoff community 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:22.560 has taken that into account at various points throughout the 0:19:23.040 --> 0:19:26.720 throughout the playoff era, So I think I would probably 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:29.639 fall down on that side of the fence with respect 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:32.159 to the big loss and when it happens. And I 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:36.400 think context is really important. Obviously, if you get drilled 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:40.479 week twelve against the top ten team, you know you 0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:42.760 might still have a chance to get in depending on 0:19:42.800 --> 0:19:47.320 how things break. But I tend to value that loss 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:50.080 a little bit more. I think it's a better predictor 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:52.520 for how good a team is or isn't, because at 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:54.359 that point in the season, it's definitely more of a 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:55.600 finished product. Does that make sense? 0:19:55.960 --> 0:19:59.000 It totally makes sense, And I value wins over losses. 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:00.960 But I think you s I'll have to and look, 0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:03.840 I don't Oregon since Georgia has played one good team 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:07.080 in UCLA, and so I don't fully know how good 0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:09.280 or not good organ is. I know their defense probably 0:20:09.320 --> 0:20:11.920 has not performed to the level that I would hope 0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:16.520 it to be at given the slate of opponents that 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:20.520 they've faced. But no I saw. Our friend Ari Wasserman 0:20:20.560 --> 0:20:23.399 wrote yesterday that Oregon is clearly the best Pac twelve 0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:25.160 team and if they went out, they would have a 0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:28.399 worse resume than a UCLA team or USC team that 0:20:28.440 --> 0:20:29.000 wins out. 0:20:29.200 --> 0:20:31.119 And I don't know. 0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:33.200 I think if you actually watch some of the USC 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:35.560 and UCLA games. And I'm not implying that Ari hasn't, 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:37.080 but they play in a time zone in which he 0:20:37.160 --> 0:20:41.560 doesn't live, like USC has needed all four quarters to 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:44.439 beat a lot of kind of not impressive teams, and 0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:45.120 some of it goes for. 0:20:45.160 --> 0:20:48.000 UCLA, and I love rib That's a bad take, right, 0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:51.159 It's a bad take because Oregon beat BCLA, Right, But 0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:55.399 he's saying UCLA losing to Oregon by whatever they lost, 0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:59.800 you know, in double digits, is more impressive than losing 0:20:59.800 --> 0:21:04.639 by forty six to Georgia, whereas George is way better 0:21:04.680 --> 0:21:06.880 than Oregon. I don't buy that at all. I think 0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:08.320