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Speaker 1: On today's show, we're going to do a very quick
Speaker 1: speed run of the news. There's not a whole lot
Speaker 1: to discuss from a news standpoint. As many of you
Speaker 1: are listening to this, there has been a new batch
Speaker 1: of playoff rankings released. We are recording prior to that release,
Speaker 1: so we'll get into that a little bit later on
Speaker 1: in the week. I suspect we know what the rankings
Speaker 1: will look like or have an idea for the shape
Speaker 1: that they will take on a little bit later on
Speaker 1: once they reveal them. But we'll get into that in
Speaker 1: more detail on Thursday. And then we're going to play
Speaker 1: an old game that we played back in January. Dan,
Speaker 1: there is a brilliant Twitter account called message board Geniuses.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think they have a website too where
Speaker 2: they collect all of their postings and such.
Speaker 1: They've done a marvelous job. We are borrowing some of
Speaker 1: the content from the Twitter feed from the website and
Speaker 1: we are going to put on our tinfoil hats I've
Speaker 1: got mine here, which I will put on momentarily, and
Speaker 1: we're going to talk through what's going on out there
Speaker 1: in the wide world of college football.
Speaker 2: It's been an especially trying, present, tense and few years
Speaker 2: for conspiracy theories, yes, and the way that conspiracy theories
Speaker 2: have infiltrated popular culture. That said, if there is one
Speaker 2: area where conspiracy theories infiltrating a topic, college football message.
Speaker 1: Boards are the best, the absolute best, the best. So
Speaker 1: we've collected a curated list of our favorites hm hm,
Speaker 1: which we're going to go through and talk about the
Speaker 1: veracity of some of these claims, if you will. Was
Speaker 1: that a combination of ferocity and veracity? I love it
Speaker 1: if it was. Let's get into news, the breaking news
Speaker 1: that already has been broken many hours ago. Jeff Scott
Speaker 1: fired at USF. Writing was sort of on the wall
Speaker 1: for that one. Jeff Scott's been on the hot seat
Speaker 1: for a while now at USF, but made it official
Speaker 1: earlier in the week. I have not seen an exhaustive
Speaker 1: list of names for who could be in the running
Speaker 1: for that job, but you know it's in South Florida.
Speaker 1: Not a bad gig.
Speaker 2: John Gruden's name has come up really well. He's local
Speaker 2: to Tampa. Because South Florida is not in South Florida.
Speaker 2: It's south of other parts of South I don't where
Speaker 2: it's Florida, that's right, Yes, yeah, that's why they call
Speaker 2: it south of other parts of Florida University, University of
Speaker 2: South other parts. It is potentially a good job. Obviously
Speaker 2: Willie Taggart had a good amount success there and it's
Speaker 2: a relatively new program. You can hit the portal hard,
Speaker 2: you can recruit Florida well. The thing that's probably working
Speaker 2: against South Florida at the moment is one of the
Speaker 2: main schools that they were recruiting against and they have
Speaker 2: been recruiting against, is about to join the Big twelve,
Speaker 2: is about to join a bigger conference in UCF. I
Speaker 2: still think it's going to be a money issue in
Speaker 2: terms of building out the facilities, and I know that
Speaker 2: they've taken steps forward and just building out the program
Speaker 2: infrastructure to keep growing along with some of the success
Speaker 2: that they've had. Not a great era for Dabo Sweeney's
Speaker 2: Tree offensively, both internally and externally at the moment, with
Speaker 2: some struggles that obviously Virginia has had this year with
Speaker 2: an experienced quarterback, the troubles that USF has obviously had
Speaker 2: and now the internal troubles on offense that Clemson can
Speaker 2: have and most recently had against Notre Dame. But this
Speaker 2: is not about me making things that This about Clemson.
Speaker 2: But I thought it was going to work out a
Speaker 2: little bit better than it did. I understand where the
Speaker 2: roster was at when Jeff Scott took over and that
Speaker 2: an overhauling was needed, and we talked about him hitting
Speaker 2: the portal pretty hard and looking at at Power five
Speaker 2: transfers to come home or to get that opportunity with
Speaker 2: the Bulls. But no, with how good the American has gotten,
Speaker 2: it was always going to be uphill and he was
Speaker 2: always going to need time if he was if he
Speaker 2: were going to be the guy, it appears, for reasons
Speaker 2: both competitive and probably internal, he's not the guy.
Speaker 1: No, No, well we'll see. We'll see which direction they
Speaker 1: decide to go. USF with a coaching vacancy some other
Speaker 1: news around college football, this sort of made headlines. Our
Speaker 1: guy Hayes Fawcett, who he had on the show way
Speaker 1: back when talking about social media graphics and at the
Speaker 1: time he was still making stuff on his phone. I'm
Speaker 1: assuming he's graduild to bigger and better tools now that
Speaker 1: he's more closely affiliated with on three. Yes, but he
Speaker 1: broke the news that Anthony Hill Junior, one of the
Speaker 1: top linebackers in the class of twenty three, would be
Speaker 1: decommitting from Texas A and M and opening his recruitment
Speaker 1: back up. This was like big time shock waves in
Speaker 1: college football, right because the A and M thing has
Speaker 1: already gone sideways this season, sort of a lost cause.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk on Thursday about the game that
Speaker 1: they've got coming up. They're an underdog at time of recording,
Speaker 1: underdog against Auburn, but AM needs to win out in
Speaker 1: order to make a bowl game. I don't know how
Speaker 1: likely that is or isn't. Again a point for further
Speaker 1: discussion on a later show, but just to build on
Speaker 1: this already lousy narrative at A and M you have
Speaker 1: decommitments like this, I would add that this is on
Speaker 1: the heels of an all time great recruiting class by
Speaker 1: Jimbo Fisher, So it's not exactly like recruiting is bottoming out.
Speaker 1: But I suppose when you're in that mindset of doom
Speaker 1: and gloom and which direction is the program headed despite
Speaker 1: all of the steam otherwise seeing a decommitment like this,
Speaker 1: and I've seen some of the crystal Ball updates now
Speaker 1: have him going to Texas. That's the prediction is just
Speaker 1: it's not something that feels great in agguland well.
Speaker 2: To be fair, it's November and the early signing day
Speaker 2: is next month, So everybody's going to have sort of
Speaker 2: a white knuckling month and a half as they try
Speaker 2: to hold on to or close out their class with
Speaker 2: coaching changes, with you know, everything that happens with the portal,
Speaker 2: and people sort of recalculating what they want their class
Speaker 2: or roster to look like. And so yeah, this is
Speaker 2: sort of the beginning of whatever it is, six weeks
Speaker 2: of white knuckling, holding onto your commitments or trying to
Speaker 2: close on some bigger fish. But you're not wrong that
Speaker 2: this could be an especially hairy stretch of time for
Speaker 2: programs who didn't necessarily show out on the field as expected,
Speaker 2: and Texas A and M because of the attention that
Speaker 2: last year's class brought, because of the nature of Jimbo
Speaker 2: Fisher's fame and visibility and contract and the visibility of
Speaker 2: the SEC West things like this are going to get
Speaker 2: more attention. But I don't think it's I don't think
Speaker 2: this specific kind of story is unique to Texas A
Speaker 2: and M. But when what is number one linebacker in
Speaker 2: the class, number seventeen overall player, sure that's going to
Speaker 2: make waves. I don't know if it was Hayes Fawcett
Speaker 2: who broke the story, but it might have just been
Speaker 2: Anthony Hill, that's his name, who told Anthony Fawcett to
Speaker 2: make a graphic for you. Yeah, as Anthony Hill broke
Speaker 2: the story, as one does. But regardless, yes Hae Faucet
Speaker 2: had his branding on.
Speaker 1: It and definitely is in tight with a lot of
Speaker 1: these guys. So we'll see what happens with that recruitment again.
Speaker 1: It is now open for business. Two other very quick
Speaker 1: notes here, please, I wanted to pass along. Did you
Speaker 1: see the thing with Dan Patrick on Monday? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Dan Patrick, who, By the way, I've always been a
Speaker 2: pretty big fan of love.
Speaker 1: Dan has a great job, great interviewer.
Speaker 2: Interviewer has dipped his toe, sometimes successfully, sometimes less than
Speaker 2: successfully in breaking college football administrative news.
Speaker 1: The report was that the PAC twelve was going to
Speaker 1: add San Diego State. Yeah, soon, Nicole, Our back, our friend.
Speaker 1: Nicole quickly refuted that report, supposedly the imminence of the
Speaker 1: of the report, thank you. The source close to the
Speaker 1: situation told The Athletic that the report is inaccurate. It's
Speaker 1: been Nicole's understanding that the PAC twelve will do it's
Speaker 1: media deal first before any kind of conference expansion. This
Speaker 1: is the world we live in now, Dan, You're going
Speaker 1: to hear about conference expansion for any of the conferences
Speaker 1: that have teams leaving or even teams that are coming in.
Speaker 1: That's just the nature of the beast now, big money
Speaker 1: sport being college football. So we'll see San Diego State
Speaker 1: would make sense geographically, you know, will definitely help on
Speaker 1: the defense the side of things in the Pact twelve
Speaker 1: with respect to football, maybe not so much on offense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guy.
Speaker 2: By the way, I don't know if you saw the
Speaker 2: story that broke later on in the day that San
Speaker 2: Diego State attendance has been so bad in the new
Speaker 2: stadium that they slash ticket prices by like fifty percent
Speaker 2: for their last three games.
Speaker 1: Not ideal timing if the story about San Diego State,
Speaker 1: even if it's not happening soon, but being vetted to eventually.
Speaker 2: Join the conference. Now it has been a disappointing season
Speaker 2: after a long stretch of really encouraging seasons for San
Speaker 2: Diego State. They haven't figured out offense in quite some time.
Speaker 2: So if you are a Mountain West program, if you
Speaker 2: are a G five program, and you are looking to
Speaker 2: put butts in seats, especially if you are located in
Speaker 2: a plate, located in a place with many options of
Speaker 2: other things to do, you gotta win, and you got
Speaker 2: to win in exciting, flashy fashion. Probably if there's there
Speaker 2: hasn't been a culture of excitement around San Diego State
Speaker 2: football locally, it seems obviously the Chargers were the story
Speaker 2: in that town, and San Diego State is the home
Speaker 2: program to one of the most excellent NFL players of
Speaker 2: all time in Marshall Fock. But it's still an uphill battle.
Speaker 2: There's still not a college football culture down there. Inasmuch
Speaker 2: as people love the idea of California eyeballs more California eyeballs.
Speaker 2: With USC and ucile A losing going to the Big
Speaker 2: ten eyeballs on the PAC ten twelve whatever conference, san
Speaker 2: Diego State has a waste and hopefully the new Stadium
Speaker 2: is a step in the right direction, but it has
Speaker 2: not generated the kind of excitement early on that I'm
Speaker 2: sure the Aztecs have hoped for the other name obviously,
Speaker 2: you know, presno state's going to be thrown around there
Speaker 2: with the PAC twelve. Gonzaga being rumored to the Big
Speaker 2: twelve for basketball only seems to be a shot at
Speaker 2: the PAC twelve because of the geographic footprint of Spokane.
Speaker 2: UNLV obviously has grown in terms of being a sports
Speaker 2: town with the Raiders in the NHL, of course, moving
Speaker 2: on moving into Las Vegas. The Golden Knights, the Golden Knights, Yeah,
Speaker 2: the Golden Knights. Yeah, I just want to get that right.
Speaker 2: But supposedly, like as you mentioned, it's the TV deal
Speaker 2: is the priority right now. It seems for the Pac
Speaker 2: twelve to get that in place and then figure out
Speaker 2: where to go from there in terms of a roster
Speaker 2: of teams and grant of rights and all those things.
Speaker 1: It makes sense. It makes sense, and we've heard similar
Speaker 1: language being included in the Big twelve media deal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, trying to take into account future expansion and
Speaker 1: they've already expanded.
Speaker 2: But yeah, then you've already expanded the Big twelve obviously
Speaker 2: is reportedly updated It's TV deal.
Speaker 1: Last, but certainly not least, asked about an unsubstantiated rumor
Speaker 1: from an Auburn fan produced website stating there was quote
Speaker 1: mutual interest yes, between an SEC school you know it's
Speaker 1: Auburn and Dan Lanning, first year Oregon Ducks coach said
Speaker 1: quote the last thing I ever want to do is
Speaker 1: leave and and and end that there was quote a
Speaker 1: problem in society zooming out here. Dan Lanning really sees
Speaker 1: the field. Yeah, he got the All twenty two. There's
Speaker 1: a problem in society with those who constantly look for
Speaker 1: their next professional opportunity. So there you go. I would
Speaker 1: take that as an emphatic denial that there is any
Speaker 1: interest of him being to Auburn really anywhere. Right was
Speaker 1: pretty strong. Seems like he's catching on pretty nicely in Eugene.
Speaker 1: So if he wants to stay, I'm sure they're willing
Speaker 1: to keep him for as long as he wants to
Speaker 1: remain in the Pacific Northwest. But Dan Lanning will not
Speaker 1: be entertaining offers for that Auburn position at the very least.
Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously, so, Dan Lanning is from Missouri, played at
Speaker 2: a very small school. So it's not a situation that
Speaker 2: is apples to apples with Mario Christabaal leaving from Miami,
Speaker 2: of course, from the city of Miami and played for
Speaker 2: Miami and you know, won a ton of games from Miami.
Speaker 2: Willie Taggert growing up not far from Florida State and
Speaker 2: grew up a Florida State fan. There is not that
Speaker 2: connective tissue with Dan Lanning specific to Auburn beyond having
Speaker 2: a lot of success coaching and working in the SEC.
Speaker 2: It wasn't that that line was the actual line that
Speaker 2: I didn't like, because guess what, you should always look
Speaker 2: for the next professional opportunity, if you're not happy, if
Speaker 2: you're not fulfilled, if you don't think you're making as
Speaker 2: much money as you should be in your mind, looked
Speaker 2: better your life and your happiness and your financial Like,
Speaker 2: I'm okay with that. Do whatever you want if it's
Speaker 2: a financial thing or if it's a happiness thing. But
Speaker 2: he also mentioned that his eleven year old has lived
Speaker 2: in eight states and he was like, the last thing
Speaker 2: I want to do is uproot my family again. And
Speaker 2: he also mentioned and this was a great for Oregon
Speaker 2: fans thing to hear was a lot of guys. This
Speaker 2: is me paraphrasing.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you have the quote in front
Speaker 1: of you, but it was basically like a lot of
Speaker 1: guys do well here and then do less well elsewhere.
Speaker 1: You like that one when they leave, and so I like, like,
Speaker 1: that's the red meat for the Oregon fan base, and
Speaker 1: so he basically, I think the phrasing he used was
Speaker 1: everybody always thinks the grass is green or elsewhere. The
Speaker 1: grass is pretty damn green in Eugene, so it rains
Speaker 1: all the time. It has no choice.
Speaker 2: It's a nice place tie. I think you'd like like
Speaker 2: it a lot. It's very golf and beer forward. I
Speaker 2: think you'd like it. But as somebody who attended the
Speaker 2: school for four years, I can also attest November through
Speaker 2: April can be gray and damp, and that's what I
Speaker 2: guess gets the green, particularly the grass particularly green in
Speaker 2: the summer. Can we transition out of that really quickly
Speaker 2: to something else, please? Been I mean, what is the
Speaker 2: phrase that you like to use that's been grinding my gears?
Speaker 1: Grinding your gears?
Speaker 2: So I hold two thoughts to be true as it
Speaker 2: relates to the college football playoff Oregon or whoever else.
Speaker 2: I don't think Oregon at the moment is a playoff
Speaker 2: caliber team because of their defense, and as an Oregon fan,
Speaker 2: I'd much rather see them play an excellent team in
Speaker 2: the Rose Bowl or something Michigan, Ohio State, tc.
Speaker 1: Something like that. You're afraid, I'm not afraid.
Speaker 2: I just know what or this is year one of
Speaker 2: the Dan Lanning era and sounds a little.
Speaker 1: Bit like there is some fear. But continue, I've watched
Speaker 1: Oregon against play I don't want Georgia. I'm sure you
Speaker 1: have a very valid point. I don't want to do
Speaker 1: real conversation. What I am sounds a little bit like fear.
Speaker 1: I think Notre Dame fans should be more scared and
Speaker 1: take this tack more often. After that done in the playoff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when he got Drew Pine, you have nothing to worry about.
Speaker 2: That's true, fair enough, No, I'm just the resume thing
Speaker 2: is always interesting to me because we seem to shift
Speaker 2: how we view losses or wins. And I wanted to
Speaker 2: pick your brain because I'm too close to with Oregon,
Speaker 2: because part of me says, and I've said this for years,
Speaker 2: that how you perform against a playoff team during the
Speaker 2: season is meaningful, like when Notre Dame specifically lost to
Speaker 2: Clemson in the manner in which they did when they
Speaker 2: were a brief ACC team in the ACC championship game
Speaker 2: in I think it was like two weeks before the playoff, right,
Speaker 2: and that year was mid December ahead of a playoff
Speaker 2: in early January. I said that was a disqualifying loss
Speaker 2: and Notre Dame still got in because of the bulk
Speaker 2: of their resume otherwise that they had beat Clemson earlier
Speaker 2: with Clemson's backup quarterback. But whatever win is a win
Speaker 2: is a win.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 2: My point is the context of Oregon and how they
Speaker 2: should be evaluated is, Yeah, they got completely drilled and
Speaker 2: demolished by a playoff team in Week one and game
Speaker 2: one of a new coach and a new quarterback, and
Speaker 2: my feeling is that was not representative of what Oregon
Speaker 2: will probably look like after twelve games, with the bulk
Speaker 2: of their impressive wins coming likely from if they're able
Speaker 2: to win Utah, USC, Washington, Oregon State teams like that.
Speaker 2: That their schedule has not been crazy impressive, and they've
Speaker 2: performed like a playoff team would against some pretty bad competition.
Speaker 2: My question to you is, how would you rank resume
Speaker 2: items in terms of a bad loss to a great
Speaker 2: team a good loss to an ok team? Like, I know,
Speaker 2: it's a case by k situation. I pulled some of
Speaker 2: some recent losses from playoff teams, like Ohio State losing
Speaker 2: by two touchdowns to Virginia Tech early on in the season,
Speaker 2: or Michigan State losing two I think was a five
Speaker 2: and seven and Michigan State losing to a five and
Speaker 2: seven Nebraska team. A foreign eight Syracuse team beats a
Speaker 2: Clemson team that makes the playoff, Oklahoma loses to a
Speaker 2: five and seven Texas team, and so I just I
Speaker 2: know there's no such thing as precedent because the goalposts
Speaker 2: move every year and the actual committee changes pretty often.
Speaker 2: But in your view, how should we evaluate resume items
Speaker 2: with when it comes to winning and losing and the
Speaker 2: manner in which and the opponent to which a team
Speaker 2: wins or loses or beats.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think Oregon's actually a really good example, right,
Speaker 1: I am always interested in the very early season throttling
Speaker 1: against a good team. So case in point, neutral site
Speaker 1: game Week one, Oregon loses by what forty six forty
Speaker 1: nine to three? Can confirm forty six points. They lost
Speaker 1: handily to Georgia. The narratives changed so much though with
Speaker 1: respect Oregon right it's clear that Oregon has improved since
Speaker 1: that game. So I think despite the fact that it
Speaker 1: was a really bad loss, I do think that I
Speaker 1: personally value it a little bit less because the team,
Speaker 1: the team that you get at the end of the
Speaker 1: season oftentimes is so different than the one you got
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the season that you need to
Speaker 1: take that into account. And I know the playoff community
Speaker 1: has taken that into account at various points throughout the
Speaker 1: throughout the playoff era, So I think I would probably
Speaker 1: fall down on that side of the fence with respect
Speaker 1: to the big loss and when it happens. And I
Speaker 1: think context is really important. Obviously, if you get drilled
Speaker 1: week twelve against the top ten team, you know you
Speaker 1: might still have a chance to get in depending on
Speaker 1: how things break. But I tend to value that loss
Speaker 1: a little bit more. I think it's a better predictor
Speaker 1: for how good a team is or isn't, because at
Speaker 1: that point in the season, it's definitely more of a
Speaker 1: finished product. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2: It totally makes sense, And I value wins over losses.
Speaker 2: But I think you s I'll have to and look,
Speaker 2: I don't Oregon since Georgia has played one good team
Speaker 2: in UCLA, and so I don't fully know how good
Speaker 2: or not good organ is. I know their defense probably
Speaker 2: has not performed to the level that I would hope
Speaker 2: it to be at given the slate of opponents that
Speaker 2: they've faced. But no I saw. Our friend Ari Wasserman
Speaker 2: wrote yesterday that Oregon is clearly the best Pac twelve
Speaker 2: team and if they went out, they would have a
Speaker 2: worse resume than a UCLA team or USC team that
Speaker 2: wins out.
Speaker 1: And I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think if you actually watch some of the USC
Speaker 2: and UCLA games. And I'm not implying that Ari hasn't,
Speaker 2: but they play in a time zone in which he
Speaker 2: doesn't live, like USC has needed all four quarters to
Speaker 2: beat a lot of kind of not impressive teams, and
Speaker 2: some of it goes for.
Speaker 1: UCLA, and I love rib That's a bad take, right,
Speaker 1: It's a bad take because Oregon beat BCLA, Right, But
Speaker 1: he's saying UCLA losing to Oregon by whatever they lost,
Speaker 1: you know, in double digits, is more impressive than losing
Speaker 1: by forty six to Georgia, whereas George is way better
Speaker 1: than Oregon. I don't buy that at all. I think
Speaker 1: I think it's a bad take and it love Ari,
Speaker 1: but I don't agree with that at all. And the
Speaker 1: good news for Oregon is they'll they could potentially get
Speaker 1: a crack at UCLA. Again, they could get a crack
Speaker 1: at USC. I think there is room to grow on
Speaker 1: that schedule. As you're bringing this up, another team that
Speaker 1: comes to mind. We saw it this weekend. Let's talk Tennessee.
Speaker 1: Tennessee loses by fourteen on the road at Georgia. Tennessee
Speaker 1: was never close in that game. That game was a
Speaker 1: runaway train. That was a garbage time touchdown exactly that
Speaker 1: game in the Soldge. Yeah, and I've heard this a lot,
Speaker 1: and I mean I think I said it on our
Speaker 1: recap show that for me, I thought that the path
Speaker 1: to get into the playoff for Tennessee had narrowed significantly,
Speaker 1: And some folks asked about that. I stand by that.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously they need a little bit of help
Speaker 1: to worm their way back into this thing. But we
Speaker 1: know that either Ohio State or Michigan is gonna lose.
Speaker 1: We know that there is wiggle room in that top tier.
Speaker 1: I don't know where they're gonna put Tennessee after this week,
Speaker 1: but we know that there is wiggle room above them
Speaker 1: and even below them. With Tennis or with a TCU.
Speaker 1: TCU could lose this weekend. They're a seven point dog
Speaker 1: this weeken on the road against Texas. So the point
Speaker 1: is that Tennessee needs help. But I do think it's
Speaker 1: an interesting point for discussion. Obviously mutual opponent in Georgia,
Speaker 1: the manner that Tennessee lost the score was much different,
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, but the manner in which Tennessee
Speaker 1: lost at this late stage of the season was like,
Speaker 1: not unlike, not too unlike the way Oregon lost way
Speaker 1: back in Week one. Score very different, I get it,
Speaker 1: But in both cases two teams just fully dominated by
Speaker 1: the Georgia bullet Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely a magnitude thing, but not a big
Speaker 2: picture thing. They were not competitive with Tennessee, or excuse me,
Speaker 2: Tennessee was not competitive with Georgia.
Speaker 1: I think the.
Speaker 2: Viewpoint is generally TCU is a cute story which I
Speaker 2: don't fully agree with, and will lose to somebody these
Speaker 2: next few weeks. And they're not being taken seriously, whether
Speaker 2: it's because of their propensity to needing to come back
Speaker 2: against decent teams and not making statements against those teams
Speaker 2: every week, or the defense is being doubted now that
Speaker 2: the health is an issue for TCU, I get. I
Speaker 2: think that's all reasonable, and I think it's TCU is
Speaker 2: a prime example of do not feel disrespected because you
Speaker 2: are not ranked in the top four. You have a
Speaker 2: new coach who has completely turned things around immediately, and
Speaker 2: it's all gravy wherever you end up. TCU is going
Speaker 2: from being a disaster, a catastrophic team under Gary Patterson
Speaker 2: and that staff that he handpicked, to a ten plus
Speaker 2: win team. That's incredible. And any anything else like that
Speaker 2: to me is like when you say, like, oh, are
Speaker 2: you scared?
Speaker 1: Are you scared?
Speaker 2: It's not a matter of being scared. It's a matter
Speaker 2: of this team hasn't been built yet. TCU hasn't been built,
Speaker 2: Oregon hasn't been built yet. Under first year coaches, it
Speaker 2: should just be viewed as exciting to see that this
Speaker 2: is what is happening with you know, Max Duggan who
Speaker 2: didn't win the starting job and Bonix who came in
Speaker 2: after a really up and down career at Auburn and
Speaker 2: gets this fresh start, Like we should appreciate excellence and
Speaker 2: not put excellence into the playoff jar just because we can.
Speaker 2: So that's that's my viewpoint on it. Tennessee is probably
Speaker 2: in a decent position given the rest of their schedule,
Speaker 2: given that they don't have to face the SEC West
Speaker 2: champion again, LSU once again, who seems to have only
Speaker 2: gotten better since they played but head to head.
Speaker 1: It's a good place to be. It's a good see
Speaker 1: resume place to be. It's absolutely good place to be.
Speaker 1: One final point, TCU, and I want people to write
Speaker 1: in sunemail dot com, you know, let us let us
Speaker 1: know your thoughts on this whole issue of resume and
Speaker 1: where things should or shouldn't rank out TCU. I don't
Speaker 1: care where they're ranked in the new version of the
Speaker 1: College Football Playoff Poll. By the time all is said
Speaker 1: and done, if TCU wins out, they'll have wins on
Speaker 1: the road over Baylor and Texas, over SMU, which is
Speaker 1: going to be a bowl team. Yeah, they also will
Speaker 1: have wins over other bowl teams that I presume we'll
Speaker 1: get there. If they're not there already. Oklahoma I think
Speaker 1: will get the six wins, probably this weekend. Kansas could
Speaker 1: finish with eight wins. Who knows. Kansas State another possible
Speaker 1: eight win team. Oklahoma States already qualified for a ball.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on with them. They're kind
Speaker 1: of a mess around Bencer Sanders And I mean, it's
Speaker 1: not a great situation. It's still water, but it's like
Speaker 1: seven bowl teams here, potential Bowl teams that they would
Speaker 1: have beaten. Wasn't always the prettiest, but that's a pretty
Speaker 1: strong resume. That's a pretty strong resume. So if they
Speaker 1: win out, it's hard to keep them out of the playoff.
Speaker 1: Certainly they would get a crack at somebody in the
Speaker 1: Big twelve championship game. But I think they're in a
Speaker 1: prime position. All they have to do is keep winning.
Speaker 1: The good news is we get to say the same
Speaker 1: thing we say every year in early November. Tie.
Speaker 2: It generally sorts itself out. Generally, the gods above governing
Speaker 2: over college football weirdness, they get going with the ooh,
Speaker 2: what about if this team loses unexpectedly? Oh what if
Speaker 2: this team upsets this team unexpectedly? And it all sort
Speaker 2: of sorts itself out, and that's the good news. I
Speaker 2: hope we see they say this every year as few
Speaker 2: if any reruns as humanly possible. That's my goal for
Speaker 2: the College wall playoff, great football, great stories, fewest reruns possible.
Speaker 1: Dan, can you play that old AOL connection sound please?
Speaker 1: You know I've gone to do you remember when you
Speaker 1: try to sign on and it didn't get to that
Speaker 1: point hang or it would not do anything at all.
Speaker 2: I remember, we've actually done a show about nineties internet things.
Speaker 2: The greatest feeling you can have as a youth in
Speaker 2: I don't know nineteen ninety seven, nineteen ninety six, nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety eight who had AOL The greatest feeling is you
Speaker 2: sign on, you get online, you get.
Speaker 1: The welcome, you've got mail.
Speaker 2: Whatever, and there is a message there waiting for you
Speaker 2: from a crush. You sign onto AOL instant messenger and
Speaker 2: you get a message from a crush, or just you're
Speaker 2: sitting there and all of a sudden.
Speaker 1: You hear that door open. Yeah, and there's that crush
Speaker 1: like is this gonna be the day? And I think
Speaker 1: there's a lot of overlap there with college football fandom
Speaker 1: of is this gonna be the day man, what a memory.
Speaker 1: I yeah, as you bring that up now, I think
Speaker 1: of away messages, of course, think of my own personal
Speaker 1: evolution from song lyrics, yeah, uh huh on the away
Speaker 1: message all the way through to like doing work, you know,
Speaker 1: like this maturation of whatever, trying to get noticed, all
Speaker 1: the way through to not really giving a damn.
Speaker 2: There is You can evolve from the song lyrics to
Speaker 2: just like some people dot dot dot, you like what
Speaker 2: does he mean?
Speaker 1: What does she mean?
Speaker 2: And I think that's I still I think that's a
Speaker 2: very good segue to college football fandom online in the
Speaker 2: Ear of Our Lord twenty twenty two. So we have
Speaker 2: selected some messageboard geniuses posts, generally from you know, the
Speaker 2: twenty four to seven Rivals Whoever message boards, a lot
Speaker 2: of which happen during or after a game that melts
Speaker 2: the brains of a team's fans. Should we go neither
Speaker 2: are some recent ones from the Twitter feed and from
Speaker 2: the top twenty five of October. I like to check in.
Speaker 2: We can watch these games, we can pour over stats,
Speaker 2: we can rewatch these games and form our own opinions,
Speaker 2: but we are never going to be in the marrow
Speaker 2: of these programs like fans are, so I think this
Speaker 2: is important to sort of get inside the brains of
Speaker 2: people who are so invested in these teams.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Absolutely so. I want to I
Speaker 1: want to give a shout out again to the account that, yes,
Speaker 1: that collects all of these It is bored Geniuses b O,
Speaker 1: A r D Geniuses. It works on two levels. It's great. Well,
Speaker 1: the other board genius bought Twitter, but this is true.
Speaker 1: This is the better account. Bored Geniuses on Twitter. Message
Speaker 1: board geniuses dot com is the website. They do a
Speaker 1: phenomenal job. They've got a podcast, all sorts of stuff
Speaker 1: out there. Go and check them out. We're very much
Speaker 1: borrowing the content that they put forth, and we are
Speaker 1: I mean they're borrowing content themselves of course, of course,
Speaker 1: but we appreciate the hard work that they put in here.
Speaker 1: Yes A plus attribution, Ty, thank you. Let's get to
Speaker 1: our first post, Dan, you want to read it off?
Speaker 1: I want to tinfoil hat on.
Speaker 2: You can choose. This is your choice. Do you want Texas,
Speaker 2: do you want Auburn? Do you want Texas A and
Speaker 2: M or do you want Tennessee?
Speaker 1: I need Texas A and M.
Speaker 2: Man Okay, So tech A and M is a rich
Speaker 2: treasure trove. This is from text Aggs, the notable text
Speaker 2: A and M message board. Go fundme for Hugh Freeze
Speaker 2: plus hookers equals sec greatness. I think we can get
Speaker 2: him cheap. Just keep some hookers on the side. It's
Speaker 2: the easiest and most financially responsible option.
Speaker 1: TIE.
Speaker 2: You're now wearing your tinfoil hat, so it depends on
Speaker 2: how you categorize sex workers.
Speaker 1: TIE. But it doesn't.
Speaker 2: Seem like this is a long term because I want
Speaker 2: to take all these seriously. I want to give them
Speaker 2: the validity that college football fandom demands. Do you think
Speaker 2: it's possible that one if text A and M gets
Speaker 2: rid of Jimbo Fisher, that Hugh Freeze could come in
Speaker 2: And do you think a key to his success is
Speaker 2: the ability to do consistent business with sex workers, as
Speaker 2: has been the accusation with regards to massage parlors and
Speaker 2: burner phones during his time at Ole Miss Do you
Speaker 2: think that is a viable path forward for Texas A
Speaker 2: and M to take the next step.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm wearing a tinfoil hat, so the definition
Speaker 1: of viable is perhaps a little bit different than if
Speaker 1: I take this thing off. But what what I what
Speaker 1: I appreciate by the poster here is the fact that
Speaker 1: he or she is willing to go to extreme measures,
Speaker 1: of course, to seal the deal here, right Like, they
Speaker 1: see what they want. They suspect, based on previous behavior,
Speaker 1: that this is something that Hugh Freeze might find attractive
Speaker 1: right in the college station, once he's there, help him succeed.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. And now they're putting pen to paper, They're saying,
Speaker 1: we need to we need to make this happen. So
Speaker 1: I guess on some level I sort of admire the creativity. Still,
Speaker 1: you know, still don't know if it's a great PR
Speaker 1: News story though, you know, like these things have a
Speaker 1: way of getting out, especially if things don't go well.
Speaker 1: If you free starts three and six the way Jimbo
Speaker 1: Fisher has started this season. Yeah, and then there is
Speaker 1: kind of that seeded or under belly to the agreement.
Speaker 1: You could see that ultimately being something that ends up
Speaker 1: on Twitter, that ends up taking him down and sends
Speaker 1: him back to an independent or group of five school.
Speaker 1: See what I would want from this situation. If Hugh
Speaker 1: Freeze is enthusiastic about working at texts A and M
Speaker 1: which I have no idea.
Speaker 2: If that's the case, if he's able to mount an offense,
Speaker 2: which it seems that that's something he's been successful doing,
Speaker 2: is developing offenses wherever he goes, I would my priority
Speaker 2: here would be to see to it that the agreement
Speaker 2: with said sex workers results in all sorts of really
Speaker 2: good life benefits for them, like I want them on
Speaker 2: the text A and M payroll in no show positions. Essentially,
Speaker 2: I want health insurance, I want dental I want this
Speaker 2: to be a fully unofficial, official role that just sort
Speaker 2: of gets things down on paper so there's no confusion,
Speaker 2: there's no That's who I'm most concerned about in this transaction.
Speaker 2: I don't really care about Hugh Freeze in this transaction.
Speaker 2: If he's able to get things going for the A
Speaker 2: and M offense and the A and M program and
Speaker 2: recruiting and everything like that, that's terrific. I just don't
Speaker 2: want them to be seen as pawns.
Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more, by the way, on the point
Speaker 1: of Hugh Freese either wanting the Auburn job or really
Speaker 1: any job. I remember the posting from Dennis Dodd once
Speaker 1: the coaching carousel started spinning earlier and earlier every year.
Speaker 1: It was like week two this year and he had
Speaker 1: mentioned Hugh Freeze's name. The Hugh Freeze is almost desperate
Speaker 1: to get another big time job, right, And so Brandon
Speaker 1: Marcelo went out and got a quote from Hugh Freese quote,
Speaker 1: I don't know that Auburn wants me. I have no clue.
Speaker 1: I know this. I have won everywhere I've been in
Speaker 1: my staff and kids have turned programs around fast. It's
Speaker 1: our culture that we instill. I know we do that,
Speaker 1: and the proof is in the pudding. That to me
Speaker 1: sounds like a guy who is entertaining offers. Yes, you
Speaker 1: do not say that if you are fine with your
Speaker 1: current circumstance. So maybe he enjoys his time at Liberty,
Speaker 1: but he's clearly putting his name out there as somebody. Also.
Speaker 2: I mean, Houston's not terribly far away from College Station, right,
Speaker 2: I don't believe so. No, I think it's within a
Speaker 2: couple hours. You have to think that there's a big,
Speaker 2: too huge medical supply company that can help him out
Speaker 2: with any of his hospital bed needs should anything flare up.
Speaker 2: Once again, one are the more ridiculous screen grabs of
Speaker 2: all time.
Speaker 1: College football him in the bad it was pretty perfect.
Speaker 2: So I hope everything because I never hope that anybody's,
Speaker 2: you know, physically unable.
Speaker 1: So I hope that he's able to go moving forward.
Speaker 2: But if he's not, it's probably nicer than it is
Speaker 2: not to be near a big city that can accommodate
Speaker 2: those needs.
Speaker 1: I agree you, we'll go to the next one. Let's
Speaker 1: go to the next one. Which school tie, Let's go Auburn.
Speaker 1: Do you want to go Auburn? Okay? Okay? Does Will
Speaker 1: Muschamp get a look from Auburn? Got to look for
Speaker 1: Auburn head coach. I think we'd be crazy not to
Speaker 1: give him a hard look is from rivals in Auburn's sports.
Speaker 1: I think we'd be crazy not to give him a
Speaker 1: hard look. SEC head coaching experience check. Elite recruiter check.
Speaker 1: I think both of those things are true.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's recruited top players to Florida, South Carolina,
Speaker 2: elite x's and x'es and o's coach double check. Probably true.
Speaker 2: He's fielded some very very good defenses. Handsome triple check.
Speaker 2: So he is better at being handsome naturally or with
Speaker 2: efforts than he is recruiting players, coaching or coming up
Speaker 2: with scheme for a defense. If we don't get Dion,
Speaker 2: then give me coach boom wardamn eagle. Wow.
Speaker 1: Which of these, if any, do you take? Exception two?
Speaker 1: Do you take?
Speaker 2: He does have SEC head coaching experience. Do you believe
Speaker 2: him to be a head, an elite recruiter, a great
Speaker 2: X as an o's coach and for sure for sure
Speaker 2: Ford sure triple check handsome?
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, sure? Like do you think well must
Speaker 1: CHAMPI gets a luck? No? No, come on, man, why
Speaker 1: why he's a name, he's a name. You know he'd
Speaker 1: be interested. Yeah, Okay, just because you know he'd be
Speaker 1: interested does not mean you should reach out to him, right.
Speaker 1: I'm hopeful that if you are Auburn, you are aspiring
Speaker 1: for something a little bit more than one William mush Champ,
Speaker 1: who we've seen twice prior now in the SEC.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and has been a defensive coordinator for Auburn, the
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator for Auburn.
Speaker 1: Right, so he got familiarity with the area and all that,
Speaker 1: and he's been over his time as a college football
Speaker 1: coach pretty good defensive coordinator, right objectively, so yeah, but
Speaker 1: as a head coach No, No, you don't want that.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine the tire fire that that would be.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine if after all of this strife so
Speaker 1: Gus Malzon's gone, they decide they're going to get rid
Speaker 1: of Brian Harson. A year and a half into this thing,
Speaker 1: the programs in disarray, They're already going to be people
Speaker 1: transferring left and right, maybe even more than transferred last
Speaker 1: season r last offseason. Will mush Champ, do you think
Speaker 1: it could be a good experiment to giving somebody more
Speaker 1: power behind the scenes, whereas like Will must Champ is
Speaker 1: sort of a figurehead has you know, makes defensive decisions,
Speaker 1: is involved in recruiting, you know, shakes all the hands
Speaker 1: of Auburn boosters who like him, and goes to the
Speaker 1: golf outings and Bo Jackson's you know bike thing, the
Speaker 1: Cross Alabama, all that kind of stuff, and he's literally
Speaker 1: locked out of the offensive rooms. He's literally he literally
Speaker 1: cannot get into the offensive meeting rooms. All of his
Speaker 1: calls are blocked to offensive assistance. Is there is that
Speaker 1: the new model where you bring in somebody as that
Speaker 1: kind of figurehead, uh to just only worry about defense,
Speaker 1: it to never he can't even call time out s
Speaker 1: during games. He can't even he doesn't eat, like the
Speaker 1: channel doesn't work to his headset when Auburn is on offense,
Speaker 1: like he just can't give input. This is the Dwight
Speaker 1: Shrewt fake wheel on Lakewall and Paul Pack.
Speaker 2: Yes, that there is a very specific role that Will
Speaker 2: must Champ in habits that makes people behind the scenes happy,
Speaker 2: But they decide on who to spend, you know, one
Speaker 2: point five million dollars on to run the offense. That
Speaker 2: it's almost like a co head situation.
Speaker 1: Man, I just you're really scraped in the bottom of
Speaker 1: the barrel if you're going wilmust Champ. Second question is
Speaker 1: Will must Champ triple check handsome in your mind? Sure?
Speaker 1: What do you mean? Sure? Is if you're talking about
Speaker 1: a plus plus he's a handsome. He's got a friendly face. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's kind a friendly face. Yeah, well most of the
Speaker 1: time when he's not yelling.
Speaker 2: I think he would in terms of pure looks. If
Speaker 2: Will must Champ appeared in sec territory on your bumbles,
Speaker 2: on your hinges, I think he would probably do well.
Speaker 2: I think there is a size to him, an acreage, right.
Speaker 2: You see, he's a broad dude has his hair. There's
Speaker 2: an intensity, a stealiness to him. I can't speak in
Speaker 2: details about his face or about you know, his his vibe.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I just slacked you in Imasha will
Speaker 1: must champ. Okay is this in coaching gear or is
Speaker 1: this in civilian Okay? So it's he does. He's taking.
Speaker 1: He doesn't not look like the bigger, more successful version
Speaker 1: of Kirby Smart like his older brother, maybe his younger
Speaker 1: brother who runs a hedge fund. Yeah, and has a
Speaker 1: nicer car. He doesn't not look like that guy.
Speaker 2: He sort of looks like a beefy Tony Danza in
Speaker 2: this shot. Yeah, he's a great hairline, got the salt
Speaker 2: and pepper thing going on.
Speaker 1: Shirt's ironed. Look at that friendly face he's smiling in
Speaker 1: this photo. I think you could do worse than coach Boom.
Speaker 2: I'm not there, like I would have to save triple
Speaker 2: check handsome for probably others.
Speaker 1: All right, let's go the next one. What are my
Speaker 1: team options here? We can go Tennessee, we can go Texas.
Speaker 1: Let's go Texas. All right, here we go.
Speaker 2: This is from inside Texas. My wife and I met
Speaker 2: one of our current commits parents. At a swingers get
Speaker 2: together this weekend is how this post begins. Ok Their
Speaker 2: son told them some of the recruits are worried that
Speaker 2: that not only is Toviano spying for LSU, but that
Speaker 2: the Hill decommitment is an elaborate scheme for Hill to
Speaker 2: get in with the Texas recruits and start pushing them
Speaker 2: to A and m oh.
Speaker 1: I love this energy.
Speaker 2: I love double double agents. The player says, their recruiting
Speaker 2: has been so bad they are desperate level two, so
Speaker 2: take it for what it's worth.
Speaker 1: Wow, I love this energy. This is what I am
Speaker 1: here for. Okay, So it's Javian Toviano is a current
Speaker 1: let's see. I'm giving you.
Speaker 2: He's a corner who is not committed anywhere. He is
Speaker 2: from Arlington. He's a four star, the number eight corner
Speaker 2: in the country class of twenty twenty three finalist Michigan, Alabama, Georgia,
Speaker 2: LSU Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: For whatever that's worth, do you think there's a market
Speaker 1: for this? Do you think there's an nil market or
Speaker 1: some sort of backdoor agreement that can be brokered on
Speaker 1: behalf of one school to infiltrate the recruiting class of
Speaker 1: another in recruit a way.
Speaker 2: So there have been stories about this. I think it's legit.
Speaker 2: I think it's legit that a player is so solidly
Speaker 2: committed and enthusiastic about where they're committed to and then
Speaker 2: they sort of figure out where a big recruiting weekend
Speaker 2: is going to be with the school that's still recruiting them. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and they huddle up football term with the head coach
Speaker 2: or the you know, the head of player personnel or
Speaker 2: whatever and be like, it wouldn't if you want to
Speaker 2: go to Athens, if you want to go to la
Speaker 2: if you want to go to Austin, if you want
Speaker 2: to go to Columbus and plant a couple. We need
Speaker 2: some receivers, plant a couple. We need some mophents and
Speaker 2: one man. Maybe that's a successful ploy to be had.
Speaker 2: So anything goes in recruiting tie. Oh yeah, So you
Speaker 2: can laugh this off. I'm not saying you specifically. One
Speaker 2: can laugh this off as silly and conspiratorial. But I'm
Speaker 2: willing to believe. I'm always willing. I don't believe something wild.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think this is far fetched at all.
Speaker 1: What I want to know more about is why the
Speaker 1: poster chose to add the context of we added a
Speaker 1: swingers gathering. Right, So here's the thing with that entry
Speaker 1: into this into this post. You don't need to say
Speaker 1: where you met the parents. No, I'm not saying anything's
Speaker 1: wrong with swinging tie. Obviously you can speak to that
Speaker 1: lifestyle more than I can. I learned something, by the way,
Speaker 1: from our good friend Adam Amin. I had no idea.
Speaker 1: I went and got tacos with him, that the pineapple
Speaker 1: is a symbol of swinging. That if you drive by
Speaker 1: somebody's house and there's like a little pineapple statue or
Speaker 1: a pineapple figurine or some sort of pineapple decor outside
Speaker 1: of somebody's house, that's like the Crispy tree Krispy Kreme
Speaker 1: wink and nod that something fresh is happening inside. So
Speaker 1: you guys should put that on Extra Nuggets if.
Speaker 2: It comes up. We absolutely will put that on our
Speaker 2: Extra Nuggets podcast. But we go into a taco spot
Speaker 2: and that they were selling a pineapple hat, and I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, what a cool hat, like all pastor,
Speaker 2: and like, well, it also could send a message that
Speaker 2: you are part of a very specific lifestyle. I just
Speaker 2: want to know how that I understand. My guess is
Speaker 2: you make small talk with people at a function and
Speaker 2: you sort of get to know them because you don't
Speaker 2: just get into it.
Speaker 1: Is my understanding. You know you want to everything's online
Speaker 1: these days, Dan, No.
Speaker 2: I know, but you still like, once you're in person
Speaker 2: to me, you want to get comfortable with somebody. You
Speaker 2: want to sort of feel out the situation for lack
Speaker 2: of a better term. So somebody is telling somebody that
Speaker 2: they're a gigantic Texas fan, and then that other somebody
Speaker 2: is saying, what a coincidence, What a crazy world got
Speaker 2: a couple connections?
Speaker 1: Tell me more. The other thing I want to know
Speaker 1: is did this lead to further activity? This sort of
Speaker 1: conspiratorial Texas recruiting depends on the validity of the information.
Speaker 1: Was it more than just a social lubricant tie? No,
Speaker 1: I mean it depends on how accurate the info is.
Speaker 1: That's true. I mean, you know how these message boards are.
Speaker 1: People will do anything for a real source.
Speaker 2: And do you segue bluntly or is it a more
Speaker 2: gradual segue where you're like, you're talking about it. You're
Speaker 2: talking about this corner commitment, this quarterback, and you're talking
Speaker 2: about arch Manning, You're talking about all these guys committed
Speaker 2: to this. I think it's a really good Texas class.
Speaker 1: And then is it just uh so anyway, Linda, I
Speaker 1: feel like it's a cheeky enough subject yea, the double
Speaker 1: double agent thing that you can kind of use that
Speaker 1: as a natural transition into So Linda, you know, right
Speaker 1: right right? I want to hear more though from this poster.
Speaker 1: I'm this this was the one that had me the
Speaker 1: most intrigued, was it?
Speaker 2: By the way, I'm trying to look back at the
Speaker 2: post here. All it says is my wife and I
Speaker 2: met one of our current commits. Parents had a swingers
Speaker 2: get together this weekend, So it may have been after
Speaker 2: the fact. It may have been post where everybody.
Speaker 1: Is just chilling. I have no idea what these events are.
Speaker 1: There are many layers to this college football onion Dan.
Speaker 2: Apparently it's an upside down pineapple outside symbol an upside
Speaker 2: down pineapple because of pineapple. People watching along on verballers
Speaker 2: dot com are pointing out that the pineapple is a
Speaker 2: symbol of hospitality, So the upside down pineapple is a
Speaker 2: symbol of.
Speaker 1: A little extra hospital little zazz. Thank you all right,
Speaker 1: we have Tennessee left it's do Tennessee. Let's close it out.
Speaker 2: By the way, we got an email accusing mostly me
Speaker 2: of shoehorning in the nicknames on Saturdays and saying that
Speaker 2: they're corny and I'm horny and everything. And I looked
Speaker 2: it up and I was right, by the way about
Speaker 2: it being a super moist Saturday affecting things.
Speaker 1: Was I not tie the rain? I mean it was
Speaker 1: more of a weind situation, but it was not not moist.
Speaker 1: It's moisture in the air. We can right now buy
Speaker 1: for like fourteen dollars hornycornyanrite dot com if we want it.
Speaker 1: If we want it, I don't want that. We can
Speaker 1: make shirts. No, okay, you can make sure it's some
Speaker 1: good Okay, do Tennessee, Tennessee. Speaking of which, this comes
Speaker 1: to us from Vall Nation Beautiful. This is a bigger
Speaker 1: one tie. I was thinking about what makes this team
Speaker 1: really special, talking about the Valls and much stronger than
Speaker 1: the sum of its parts. When you just look at
Speaker 1: our level of talent, it's hard to imagine that we
Speaker 1: would be where we are. That got me to thinking
Speaker 1: about something Colin Cowhard said years ago. Oh boy, let
Speaker 1: me stop you right there. Take a beat. Okay. I
Speaker 1: think it was something about good looking players making good
Speaker 1: quarterbacks because of confidence, or something that got me to
Speaker 1: thinking about how much confidence this team always seems to
Speaker 1: play with. How good looking, not in a weird way,
Speaker 1: our star players are. It's okay to call people good looking.
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 2: No, if you look at Hooker or Tillman, each one
Speaker 2: of them has a terrific smile and would make them
Speaker 2: super attractive to the ladies. Even if you look at
Speaker 2: our backup quarterback Joe Milton, it's got an amazing body.
Speaker 2: Does anyone have a picture that was posted last year
Speaker 2: on voll Nation of him practicing without his shirt on
Speaker 2: His chest and abs are ridiculously defined, almost like a sculpture.
Speaker 2: Even our best defensive players like Banks are objectively really
Speaker 2: attractive guys. I think the confidence that these guys have
Speaker 2: had their entire lives from being good looking and probably
Speaker 2: chased by the ladies, carries over onto the field. They
Speaker 2: are always so poised and confident. Anyway, I always thought
Speaker 2: that Cowherd was one of the smartest guys around.
Speaker 1: Let's take another beat. Let's take a quick.
Speaker 2: Beat, and when it comes to confidence and attractiveness. I
Speaker 2: think he might be onto something. Obviously, we wouldn't just
Speaker 2: go out and try to recruit a bunch of zac
Speaker 2: Efron's I pause once more good reference point though, good
Speaker 2: looking dude, But it's cool to see how it all
Speaker 2: works out with a confident team. It might be something
Speaker 2: that we use in quarterback recruiting in the future. Look
Speaker 2: at guys like Brady and Goff. Pause again, those guys
Speaker 2: can basically be models. And some of our best quarterbacks
Speaker 2: like Hooker, Ange and the Iceman were really good looking guys.
Speaker 2: So this is volos or volos however he's pronouncing his
Speaker 2: screen name or she's pronouncing her screen name. Do you
Speaker 2: believe in attractive privilege when it comes to college football performance?
Speaker 2: Are the best Notre Dame and Penn State players in
Speaker 2: recent memory because you follow those two teams closer than others,
Speaker 2: objectively more handsome than more failed players.
Speaker 1: I love I love the energy off this one. Of course,
Speaker 1: this is this is That was a that was like
Speaker 1: five hundred words long. Agree, somebody puts some thought into that,
Speaker 1: And I doubly appreciate the fact that the poster said, Look,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to be weird about this,
Speaker 1: but then seeded to get weirder and weirder as the
Speaker 1: post went on. Yes, sort of makes that's the hallmark
Speaker 1: of any of these great postings. My favorite. My favorite
Speaker 1: part of that was does anybody have that picture from
Speaker 1: Joe Milton when he was throwing shirtless? As if somebody
Speaker 1: has a repository of images like, oh, yesh I got
Speaker 1: it right here? Yeah, yeah, yeah, ready to go. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the the notion that maybe Tennessee should recruit based
Speaker 1: on looks, it's interesting. Yeah, it's an interesting zag that
Speaker 1: you don't often hear in the world of recruiting. We're
Speaker 1: close to a lot of these guys who cover recruiting
Speaker 1: much more closely than we do, whether it's Ari or
Speaker 1: Brandon or haven't heard them mention this one. Really haven't
Speaker 1: heard this come up, and it is something Maybe you
Speaker 1: can text Brandon now and see if it's something that
Speaker 1: he and the twenty four to seven team have considered. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when ranking prospects.
Speaker 2: Mm hm, So I have some thoughts on this. I
Speaker 2: don't know if you have any any more thoughts continue
Speaker 2: some Aaron in our comments mentioned Jimmy g Jimmy Garoppolo
Speaker 2: Jimmy Garoppolo, sure objectively good lookings.
Speaker 1: So my first thought is, I think most quarterbacks are
Speaker 1: going to have like they're going to be fit right
Speaker 1: like in terms of fitness, like you're playing high level
Speaker 1: college football. It's kind of hard to do if you're sloppy.
Speaker 1: All due respect to some you know pictures of who
Speaker 1: was Mac Jones who are like, that's not what I expected.
Speaker 1: All due respect he who doesn't have that body casts
Speaker 1: the first still that's me. I do not have a
Speaker 1: chiseled body. But the other.
Speaker 2: Thing I thought about, and this is my intention is
Speaker 2: not to be mean here. I promise you the best
Speaker 2: quarterback in the history of Tennessee football is not somebody
Speaker 2: who I'd immediately say, look her. Peyton Manning does not
Speaker 2: necessarily seem like he is or has ever been catwalk material. No,
Speaker 2: I don't know if there is a Peyton Manning beefcake
Speaker 2: calendar to be found on eBay or something, So I
Speaker 2: think that probably knocks the argument down a little bit.
Speaker 2: But that said, TI, yeah, I think there is something
Speaker 2: to attractiveness privilege. I think we generally believe attractive people
Speaker 2: to be more successful and smarter just because of how
Speaker 2: they look. I think that's kind of well documented that
Speaker 2: people can ascend higher in life and in society if
Speaker 2: they happen to be if they haven't have more symmetrical
Speaker 2: faces and have broad shoulders, if you're a dude or whatever,
Speaker 2: if you have the look, I think there is a
Speaker 2: leg up to be had if you don't look like
Speaker 2: a swamp monster. But I think you could probably look
Speaker 2: at a number of wildly unsuccessful college football teams and
Speaker 2: find some handsome dudes and key positions for those teams.
Speaker 1: I mean, just look at coaches we're talking about Will Muschak. Sure, sure,
Speaker 1: there's a confidence that comes with it. Yeah, of course
Speaker 1: there's a confidence that comes with it. There's a confidence
Speaker 1: of being the star player on your high school team,
Speaker 1: or the star player and your college team, being in
Speaker 1: any position of prominence like that. I would imagine if
Speaker 1: these guys went out on the town and we're looking
Speaker 1: for a date, they wouldn't have trouble finding one just
Speaker 1: because of their position. I don't know if there's a
Speaker 1: whole lot of correlation to the looks department. I think
Speaker 1: their stature on campus, their stature within their community is
Speaker 1: what elevates them. That's what gives them the confidence, not
Speaker 1: necessarily what they look like. Now to your point, sure
Speaker 1: they've done scientific studies about face symmetry and all that.
Speaker 1: Maybe those folks have a leg up on society getting
Speaker 1: to places of you know, greater earning potential whatever. Who cares. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love the energy of this post. I mean, part
Speaker 1: of the part of the game when it comes to
Speaker 1: all things message board posting is writing something unique, trying
Speaker 1: to stand out from the crowd, trying to zag when
Speaker 1: others will zig. Well, it's it's cracking the code, right,
Speaker 1: it's cracking is making people think on a different level.
Speaker 2: Becoming David Epstein, becoming Malcolm Gladwell, we're like, aha, this
Speaker 2: is the formula.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I I I sort of. I I appreciate
Speaker 1: the fact that they want a different direction with this.
Speaker 1: M I don't believe there's much correlation here. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's so either. I don't you got a text brand,
Speaker 1: text brand, And before we get off this and just
Speaker 1: just see if it's something that they've considered in their
Speaker 1: war room, you know, talk to Bud, see what Bud thinks.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna I'm probably gonna take a hard pass
Speaker 1: in this one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's probably just a random sampling. But again,
Speaker 2: as somebody who always whether it's for you know, wagering purposes,
Speaker 2: whether if it's for just figuring out who's better or
Speaker 2: not better, I tend to look at things like pressure rate,
Speaker 2: or ability to stop big plays, or what you're able
Speaker 2: to generate explosive play wise. But maybe we should be
Speaker 2: looking for four K photos and going like, I don't know, man,
Speaker 2: this aid and O'Connell I think is probably better looking
Speaker 2: than blobby blot Like, yeah, I don't I don't think
Speaker 2: that's probably something that he runs.
Speaker 1: But right, look at his Facebook profile. I mean, just
Speaker 1: look at it. Look at the guy's beaming from ear
Speaker 1: to ear. I would argue, okay, this is just me.
Speaker 2: Jalen Hyatt's speed and ability as a receiver, the offensive
Speaker 2: lines evolution, the defense getting better over the course of
Speaker 2: the season. Obviously, Hendon Hooker's high ceiling probably more to
Speaker 2: do with hard work and dedication and ability developed over time.
Speaker 2: Did you mention Joe Milton with the shirt off? Had
Speaker 2: did not mention a shirt off? I think that's probably
Speaker 2: a more reliable factor to point to for Tennessee's incredible season.
Speaker 1: I'd be interested to get more feedback from the verballer
Speaker 1: hood on this one. I want to see they only
Speaker 1: posted this comment. I want to see what the responses
Speaker 1: were like. Was everybody just saying ooh interesting, didn't think
Speaker 1: about it? Makes you think? Just like an emoji with
Speaker 1: an NFM right, just want to give some approval thumbs up,
Speaker 1: maybe the thinking emoji.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you think about some of the recent quarterbacks
Speaker 2: who really tore it up in college football. And I
Speaker 2: don't know if to a man we're talking about that
Speaker 2: kind of privilege.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to sit here and call people ugly
Speaker 2: other than Peyton Manning. Apparently, I don't think Peyton Manning
Speaker 2: is ugly. I just don't think.
Speaker 1: Again, this is this this person's choice of words. I
Speaker 1: don't think he's a zach Affron. No, No, I'm saying here,
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning has enough money in the bank to buy
Speaker 1: this show and our entire lives if he really wanted to. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's in a position that if he wants to get
Speaker 1: the upper hand here, I'm saying, I'm not. You cannot
Speaker 1: find a beefcake calendar with me, as mister March, you
Speaker 1: just can't. I am I'm not speaking above anybody.
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm trying to objectively from afar say, well,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't.
Speaker 1: Know who's to say, Who's who's to say? Message board
Speaker 1: geniuses Go and check them out. Bored Geniuses, b A
Speaker 1: R D Geniuses on Twitter. Yeah, that is where you
Speaker 1: can find these posts, among many others. Message board geniuses
Speaker 1: dot com. We don't know those guys, but they do
Speaker 1: a great job. We've tweeted at him before, We've retweeted
Speaker 1: some of their stuff, so hope they don't mind us
Speaker 1: borrowing some of their material, some of their borrowed material,
Speaker 1: as you pointed out rightfully before.
Speaker 2: But by the way, another theme that I found which
Speaker 2: we don't really have to get into, specifically when fans
Speaker 2: are sick of their coach or they're in the middle
Speaker 2: of a terrible performance, so they're like, we just we
Speaker 2: got to find a way to get rid of this guy.
Speaker 2: Whether it's tech A and M fans with Jimbo Fisher
Speaker 2: or Brian Harrison and Auburn fans, or whatever. One of
Speaker 2: the theories that's getting floated at multiple places, or one
Speaker 2: of the ideas that's getting floated at multiple places is
Speaker 2: basically to smoke them out, like, don't fire them with
Speaker 2: no cause and be forced to pay a payout a buyout,
Speaker 2: but transfer them to do something else within the football
Speaker 2: program that's not coaching and force their hand to quit
Speaker 2: rather than fire them. So basically, say, Jimbo Fisher, you
Speaker 2: are now serving food at the training table for Brian Harrison.
Speaker 2: You now are driving the equipment bus, and that's going
Speaker 2: to piss them off so much as if their contract
Speaker 2: doesn't explicitly say duties as head comduties.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a tried and true practice. We
Speaker 1: saw it an office space, we saw it in Seinfeld
Speaker 1: when they try to slet George out. Yep, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, gosh, there's so many instances of this and
Speaker 1: keep trying to make it harder. Major League the whole
Speaker 1: premise of Major League one was you're going to take
Speaker 1: away all the luxuries try and try and get them
Speaker 1: to quit. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Again, I appreciate the inventiveness of we don't want to
Speaker 2: pay out this contract, so what if we I love it.
Speaker 2: I absolutely love it. You know what, Ti, I've traveled
Speaker 2: more than you have across this college football land because
Speaker 2: of my days at SI. It may sound like these
Speaker 2: are just people in front of laptops on their couches
Speaker 2: and they're so disconnected from reality. These people go to games, ty,
Speaker 2: These are real humans that are not afraid to discuss
Speaker 2: their plans and ideas and theories in person to people
Speaker 2: with microphones and cameras and notepads.
Speaker 1: And that's something else that a lot of the people
Speaker 1: that are highlighted these on these sites and these feeds
Speaker 1: stand by they're thinking and I love it. I'm a
Speaker 1: little disappointed that you didn't mention the one post. They
Speaker 1: have a post to their website their top fifteen moments
Speaker 1: from October, and it was one from a Florida State fan.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you if you remember this one,
Speaker 1: I sent you a message. Oh yeah, yeah, there was
Speaker 1: Florida State fans says the way this is a war chant.
Speaker 1: The way FSU has played the last three weeks has
Speaker 1: put a lot of doubt in the novel era. Now,
Speaker 1: if things go by the way this is posted, yes,
Speaker 1: this is a wild They were on a losing streak. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Now if things go sideways the rest of the season,
Speaker 1: I think FSU needs to make a run at Kirk Farence,
Speaker 1: Kirk Farns, Kirk Farens, Iowa fans are tired of him anyway,
Speaker 1: and he may need a change of scenery. I cannot
Speaker 1: imagine a worse fit than Kirk Farence going to Tallahassee.
Speaker 1: I continue, tough coach, great defenses. Just don't let him
Speaker 1: bring his son. Everybody agrees on that as offensive core.
Speaker 1: I think it could potentially be a home run higher
Speaker 1: you've just hired their defensive coordinator. There are other guys.
Speaker 1: I want to know what Kirk Farrence's agent has to
Speaker 1: say about that one. Kirk parents may not even know
Speaker 1: about the state of Florida. That's how big the blinders
Speaker 1: are that you, oh, he's heard things, he's won Bowl games.
Speaker 1: That's great. I love that. That is just you know
Speaker 1: what that speaks to.
Speaker 2: That speaks to how much this sport and online culture
Speaker 2: of this sport, as great and as entertaining as it
Speaker 2: can be, just absolutely poisons all of our minds. And
Speaker 2: I think in like thirty seven different ways every game,
Speaker 2: Like somebody doesn't complete an easier, easy ish third down pass,
Speaker 2: it's fire this guy, change this, kick him out, do that,
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden you do something correct.
Speaker 2: It's we need to pay him everything. We've got to
Speaker 2: keep him. And it's the the range of emotions that
Speaker 2: happens in huge Alabama games, tiny Mountain West games and everything,
Speaker 2: you know, Mac games, everything, Even if they don't have
Speaker 2: huge fan bases, you're gonna find that pocket of just
Speaker 2: otherwise somewhat hopefully normal people whose brains just turned to
Speaker 2: guacamole during games.
Speaker 1: If you propose this trade to Iowa fans and said
Speaker 1: you can get Mike Norvel, you have to trade Kirk
Speaker 1: Ference and Brian Farrence, I gotta believe eighty percent of
Speaker 1: the Iowa fan base would be like, yep, cool, done, done,
Speaker 1: don't know anything about Mike Norvel. Got a very strong hairline,
Speaker 1: a lot like salt and pepper. Yeah, you know, definitely
Speaker 1: younger take it in a heartbeat. It's pass. I think
Speaker 1: there's still a lot of love for Kirk Farents probably
Speaker 1: in that fan base. They've been broken. It's all I
Speaker 1: got Dan Bor Geniuses message Borgenius and bor Geniuses on Twitter.
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