WEBVTT - The Girlfriends S3/E7: Going Underground

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, girlfriends, it's Anna here to let you know what

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<v Speaker 1>to expect in this episode. Like with the last episode,

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<v Speaker 1>this one takes place inside prison. That'll be mentions of

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<v Speaker 1>murder as well as domestic and sexual abuse, plus some

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<v Speaker 1>distressing scenes. But you'll also hear how Kelly makes a

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<v Speaker 1>real difference for some of the women of Bedford Hills

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<v Speaker 1>in true Gailhouse lawyer style, and there's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>some bad language. Enjoy. Kelly Harnett's life changed forever on

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<v Speaker 1>July seventh, twenty ten, with the death of one man,

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<v Speaker 1>Reuben Angel Vargas, but his wouldn't be the last death

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<v Speaker 1>connected to her case.

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<v Speaker 2>The amount of people they have pairsd away within my case,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just it's very eerie. First, my trial attorney, who

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<v Speaker 2>was in his fifties, pairs to away.

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<v Speaker 1>David Epstein. He died in twenty seventeen.

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<v Speaker 2>My call Defennin's ex girlfriend who used to start fistfightsing

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<v Speaker 2>me every single day in Rikers passed away. There was

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<v Speaker 2>a man who was going to write an affid David

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<v Speaker 2>for me. He actually physically saw Tommy beating me up

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<v Speaker 2>all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>I called.

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<v Speaker 2>One night he passed away.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't make these things up. It's eerie, Yeah, it is. Arie.

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<v Speaker 1>It's twenty seventeen. Kelly's been in Bedford Hill's maximum security

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<v Speaker 1>prison for over two years. She has ten years left

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<v Speaker 1>of her sentence. It's a normal day. Kelly's in the

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<v Speaker 1>law library. She's going through the legal mail when she

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<v Speaker 1>sees something addressed to her. It's from a guy called Dan,

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<v Speaker 1>another house lawyer who Kelly refers to as the male

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<v Speaker 1>version of her. The two of them talk on the

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<v Speaker 1>phone sometimes abouts ideas, around formotions, test their legal arguments

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<v Speaker 1>on each other, that kind of thing. Kelly's curious about

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<v Speaker 1>what Dan sent her. She rips open the envelope.

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<v Speaker 2>Something pulled the ground from under me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about her co defendant, an ex boyfriend, Tommy Donovan.

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<v Speaker 2>He died.

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<v Speaker 1>Tommy's died from an overdose in prison. He was thirty

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<v Speaker 1>eight years old. Kelly doesn't know how to feel. Part

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<v Speaker 1>of her is relieved the man who terrorized and abused

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<v Speaker 1>her is dead and can't hurt her anymore. But she's

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<v Speaker 1>also pretty fucking furious. Tommy killed someone in front of

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<v Speaker 1>her and then helped make sure she got dragged down

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<v Speaker 1>for it too, and now he's dead. Never able to

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<v Speaker 1>give evidence and take back what he said, while she

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<v Speaker 1>still has ten more years to rot behind bars.

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<v Speaker 2>He got the easy way out. I did all the suffering.

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<v Speaker 1>One good thing that Tommy did for Kelly, and there

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<v Speaker 1>aren't a lot of those to choose from, was when

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<v Speaker 1>he wrote that letter, the one he sent to Kelly's

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<v Speaker 1>trial lawyer David Epstein, that said he alone killed Angel

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<v Speaker 1>and that he had only incriminated Kelly out of anger

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<v Speaker 1>and jealousy. But now that Tommy's dead, that letter is

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<v Speaker 1>worth less than the paper it's written on, because now

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<v Speaker 1>that Tommy's dead, there's nobody else alive who is there

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<v Speaker 1>on the night of the murder who can attest to

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly's story in open court.

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<v Speaker 2>Why are people dying? Why are people dying?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Anisonfield and from the teams at Novel and iHeart Podcasts.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the Girlfriend's Gelhouse Lawyer, Episode seven, Going Underground.

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<v Speaker 1>People are particular about their birthdays. Some of my friends

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<v Speaker 1>are determined to let theirs pass without so much as

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<v Speaker 1>a hint of fuss. And then I've got other friends

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<v Speaker 1>who claim the entire month for celebrations. I'll probably put

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<v Speaker 1>myself somewhere in the middle of those two. However, you

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<v Speaker 1>spend yours, I think it's fair to say, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>unlikely you'll be doing it behind bars. It's the twelfth

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<v Speaker 1>of August twenty nineteen, Kelly's birthday. This is the tenth

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<v Speaker 1>she's had while locked up. Kelly's thirty eight today, about

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<v Speaker 1>the same age Tommy Donovan was when he died two

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<v Speaker 1>years earlier. There's only so much you can do to

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<v Speaker 1>celebrate whilst you're in prison. It's not like you can

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<v Speaker 1>quickly nip out to Costco for a big cake, and

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<v Speaker 1>even if you could, the guards would probably end up

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<v Speaker 1>tearing it apart looking for rogue nail files. But Kelly's

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<v Speaker 1>Bedford family does try and make things special for her.

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<v Speaker 1>One year, one of Kelly's friends goes around the prison

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<v Speaker 1>and gets loads of women to write down some nice

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<v Speaker 1>things about Kelly. Then they put all the notes into

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<v Speaker 1>a hot pink, sparkly folder and give it to Kelly

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<v Speaker 1>as a present. They bake her a cake and throw

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<v Speaker 1>her a party. Kelly says it's the best birthday she's

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<v Speaker 1>ever had in or out of prison. Something special about

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<v Speaker 1>this birthday, her thirty eighth. For years, Kelly's been fighting

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<v Speaker 1>for her clients with one arm tied behind her back,

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<v Speaker 1>two arms. Sometimes getting verdicts overturned, cases reopened, and women

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<v Speaker 1>out of prison, even for an established lawyer on the

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<v Speaker 1>outside is extremely hard and very rare. For the women

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<v Speaker 1>of Bedford, the law just isn't always on their side.

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<v Speaker 1>But here's the thing. Laws change and a new one

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<v Speaker 1>has just come into effect. It's called the DVSJA, also

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<v Speaker 1>known as.

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<v Speaker 2>The Domestic Violence Survivor is Justice Act. So I had

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<v Speaker 2>been studying this bill for ten years since Ryker's Island.

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<v Speaker 1>The DVSJA, or an early version of it, was dreamt

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<v Speaker 1>up by the women of Bedford Penitentiary all the way

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<v Speaker 1>back in the eighties and now in twenty nineteen. It's

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<v Speaker 1>law is designed to be applied in resentencing motions. It's

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<v Speaker 1>meant to be used for the people who are already

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<v Speaker 1>in prison. In practice, it gets judges more opportunities to

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<v Speaker 1>consider how domestic abuse might have factored into someone's crime

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<v Speaker 1>in a way that wasn't considered at an earlier trial,

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<v Speaker 1>and then that judge can give out a new sentence.

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<v Speaker 2>In order to submit a DVSJA, you had to be

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<v Speaker 2>incarcerated for at least eight years you had to be

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<v Speaker 2>a victim of domestic violence, the domestic violence had to

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<v Speaker 2>have been a significant kinshiputing factor of the crime, and

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<v Speaker 2>the third prong is based on the history of the

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<v Speaker 2>character and the condition of the defendant that this sentence

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<v Speaker 2>imposed wasn't Julie Harsh.

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly was really lost when she first got removed from

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<v Speaker 1>her job in the law library in late twenty eighteen.

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<v Speaker 1>She saw it as a retaliation from the prison Service

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<v Speaker 1>for reporting the officer she'd been having that secret inappropriate

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<v Speaker 1>relationship with. Kelly does get her job back at one point,

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<v Speaker 1>but then she's told that she's going to be removed again,

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<v Speaker 1>this time because of a new rule saying that an

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<v Speaker 1>inmate can't be in the same job for more than

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<v Speaker 1>thirty six months and that you need to wait a

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<v Speaker 1>full calendar year before getting that job back again. Kelly's

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<v Speaker 1>furious about it, and she's not alone. Her fellow inmates

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<v Speaker 1>really don't want her to be removed either. They rally

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<v Speaker 1>behind her, sending letters of support to the prison.

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<v Speaker 2>I have some of the letters myself, and some of

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<v Speaker 2>them are heartbreaking.

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen some of these letters. There's so many, and

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<v Speaker 1>you do really get the sense of how much Kelly

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<v Speaker 1>means to the women she's been helping. One of them says,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd lost all hope in the judicial system until Kelly

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<v Speaker 1>Harnett arrived. Miss Harnette has given me hope towards the future.

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<v Speaker 1>I fully trust Miss Harnette with my life, and her

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<v Speaker 1>possible removal will, in all likelihood take any hope that

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<v Speaker 1>I have left. As Kelly runs out the clock on

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<v Speaker 1>her job, she's studying the new Domestic Violence Survivors Justice Act.

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<v Speaker 1>Because this is a brand new law, there's no existing

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<v Speaker 1>template to follow when it comes to filing motions, so

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly makes one.

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<v Speaker 2>When I made this template, I started asking people if

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<v Speaker 2>they were victims of domestic violence. It was on my birthday,

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<v Speaker 2>on the very first day that it passed, there was

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<v Speaker 2>a girl that came into pick up meal.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll call this girl Jessica. On Kelly's birthday in August

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nineteen, which of course she's spending in the law

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<v Speaker 1>library while she still can. She bumps into Jessica.

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<v Speaker 2>She was like, hi, Kelly, And when she was walking out,

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<v Speaker 2>I said, wait, Kim, here, were you a victim of

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<v Speaker 2>domestic violence? And she was like yeah, And then I

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<v Speaker 2>said listen, this new lawg just pissed.

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly breaks down the workings of the DVSJA. Next, she

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<v Speaker 1>works up a motion for Jessica and it struckt her

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<v Speaker 1>on how to submit it.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, before you know it, the girl has a court date. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>she's screaming, I'm.

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<v Speaker 4>Going a court.

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<v Speaker 2>I was so happy because you never really saw people

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<v Speaker 2>go to court in Bedford. Like when someone went to court,

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<v Speaker 2>the whole place would know about it because it's such

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<v Speaker 2>big news. And she went to court. She came back

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<v Speaker 2>for like a day and she was gone.

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<v Speaker 1>She went home. When Kelly first came to Bedford, she

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<v Speaker 1>promised herself that she would be the first jailhouse lawyer

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<v Speaker 1>to get someone out of prison. And now, finally, after

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<v Speaker 1>years and years of graft, she's done it. But why

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<v Speaker 1>stop at just one? In addition to Jessica, Kelly says

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<v Speaker 1>that she helps at least two more women get out.

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<v Speaker 1>One will called Stacy and the other will call Mikayla.

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<v Speaker 1>Another of the many women that Kelly helps is an

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<v Speaker 1>old friend from Rikers, Tasha. It's not her real name,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's what we're calling her. You first met her

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<v Speaker 1>back in episode four. Like Kelly, Tasha had witnessed her

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<v Speaker 1>then boyfriend commit a murder, but she ended up in

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<v Speaker 1>prison for it as well. She came to Bedford from

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<v Speaker 1>Rikers in twenty eighteen without much hope for her future.

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<v Speaker 5>So I just have been I've seen her one day

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<v Speaker 5>in a walk week and I've seen I was like,

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<v Speaker 5>oh my.

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<v Speaker 1>God, Kelly Tasha had just received some bad news about

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<v Speaker 1>her case.

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<v Speaker 4>He said, I can appeal it. She said, yes, you can.

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<v Speaker 4>She told me what to do, she wrote it down.

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<v Speaker 4>I did it.

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<v Speaker 5>I submitted it and it was accepted. And these people

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<v Speaker 5>told me I could doing a pill. That letter got

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<v Speaker 5>me the legal aid lawyer.

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<v Speaker 4>Now I'm excited. I got a lawyer. My first time

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<v Speaker 4>sitting with him.

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<v Speaker 5>He's going very impressed on you know your pill people

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<v Speaker 5>broke you stay in low library alert and said, nope,

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<v Speaker 5>somebody did it for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly has an inmate client waiting list as long as

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<v Speaker 1>her arm. She's getting through each of them as quick

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<v Speaker 1>as she can. But she's not prepared to do a

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<v Speaker 1>rush job. Firstly because Kelly is nothing if not a perfectionist,

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<v Speaker 1>but also because she knows how high the stakes are.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the next thing makes Kelly helps is a

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<v Speaker 1>woman called Lulu.

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<v Speaker 2>We started out Lulu and I very slowly because I

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<v Speaker 2>had so many other people that I was assisting. However,

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<v Speaker 2>what made me put like bump her up on the

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<v Speaker 2>list was her perseverance. Lulu came to the law library

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<v Speaker 2>more often than anyone that I knew, and she stayed

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<v Speaker 2>for what they called the whole module, because some people

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<v Speaker 2>go and within an hour they say movement, and everybody

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<v Speaker 2>gets up and they can leave if they want. But

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<v Speaker 2>she would stay for the entire module. We were in

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<v Speaker 2>the process of actually reaching out to her attorney.

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<v Speaker 1>But just as Kelly is starting to make progress, and

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<v Speaker 1>as Lulu must allow herself to imagine the light at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the tunnel, there's a dark shadow growing

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<v Speaker 1>outside the walls of Bedford Hills. This shadow will morph

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<v Speaker 1>and swell, and neither Lulu, Kelly, or even the justice

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<v Speaker 1>system itself will be powerful enough to stop it.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't even get to finish the latter, and there was.

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<v Speaker 1>It before we go any further. There's some things I

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<v Speaker 1>want to tell you about Lulu. Her real name is Darlene,

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<v Speaker 1>but she's Lulu to her friends. She was born in Buffalo,

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<v Speaker 1>New York, in nineteen fifty eight and she was one

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<v Speaker 1>of thirteen children. Her story is like a really tragic case.

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<v Speaker 4>It really is.

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<v Speaker 1>Lulu was a victim of childhood sexual abuse and then

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<v Speaker 1>when she was around just eight years old, her mother

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<v Speaker 1>was murdered.

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<v Speaker 2>I started getting acquainted first with her story. It was

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<v Speaker 2>complete heartbreaking. She kind of had to play the mother

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<v Speaker 2>role for many of her siblings. She had suffered throughout

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<v Speaker 2>her childhood just to eat a regular meal, and when

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<v Speaker 2>she got older, unfortunately, she had gotten into drugs. However,

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<v Speaker 2>the person that she was in a relationship with was abusing.

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<v Speaker 1>Her and.

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<v Speaker 2>She felt that she was trapped in this abusive relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>According to Lulu, one night, a group of men turned

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<v Speaker 1>up at the house she shared with her partner. They

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<v Speaker 1>were after money owed for drugs. Lulu said they knocked

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<v Speaker 1>her out and when she came to, she saw her

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<v Speaker 1>partner had been stabbed. Lulu ended up being arrested and

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<v Speaker 1>charged for his death, and apparently, just like Kelly, had

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<v Speaker 1>given police statements while extremely intoxicated. Terrified at the prospect

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<v Speaker 1>of serving twenty five years, Lulu took a plea deal.

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<v Speaker 1>Back in twenty twelve, she pled guilty to first agree

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<v Speaker 1>manslaughter and was sentenced to twelve years in prison.

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<v Speaker 2>When I heard that she took a plea bargain, I

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<v Speaker 2>realized she did not have effective representation of counsel because

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<v Speaker 2>this was a clear defense.

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly believes that Lulu should have had the chance to

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<v Speaker 1>speak in court about what she'd been through.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe that if they heard lu story that they

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<v Speaker 2>would have found her not guilty.

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<v Speaker 1>She should not be here.

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<v Speaker 2>This is not right.

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<v Speaker 1>By the time Kelly starts working on her case, Lulu's

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<v Speaker 1>being locked up for over seven years. Kelly's heartbroken by

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<v Speaker 1>Lulu's story and impressed with her dedication despite all her challenges.

0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:06.320
<v Speaker 2>Lulu she was struggling as far as her education. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think she went very far in school because she

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<v Speaker 2>had so many things that she had to do at

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<v Speaker 2>home for her family.

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<v Speaker 1>After bumping Lulu up her list, Kellyan was to file

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<v Speaker 1>something called a four forty ten. It's a motion that

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<v Speaker 1>challenges the fairness or legality of a conviction, and if successful,

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<v Speaker 1>it can overturn a court judgment. But first they need

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<v Speaker 1>to check in with Lulu's original lawyer. Kelly wants to

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<v Speaker 1>ask him to sign an affi david, which is another

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<v Speaker 1>word for a written statement. The aim is to find

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<v Speaker 1>out if and why he advised Lulu to plead out.

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<v Speaker 2>I did not want the four forty to be denied,

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<v Speaker 2>but if I could get an effort David from him,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a piece of evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>But it all comes too late, because it's now March

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty and the entire world is shutting down as

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<v Speaker 1>a global pandemic is on the rampage. On the sixteenth

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<v Speaker 1>of March, Bedford Hills locks down from COVID nineteen. The

0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:16.320
<v Speaker 1>inmates are kept in their cells for twenty three hours

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<v Speaker 1>a day. The work Kelly and Lulu are doing comes

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<v Speaker 1>to an abrupt stop. On March twentieth, Lulu sends a

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<v Speaker 1>message to her sister. She thanks her for sending a

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<v Speaker 1>care package and asks her to make sure her kids

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<v Speaker 1>are continuously washing their hands and face. COVID nineteen tears

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<v Speaker 1>through Bedford Hills. As infection rates surge all around her,

0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:47.959
<v Speaker 1>Lulu starts to panic. Lulu has chronic kidney disease and

0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:52.000
<v Speaker 1>an underlying heart condition. She's recently had open heart surgery.

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<v Speaker 1>On March twenty eighth, Lulu sends another message to her sister,

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<v Speaker 1>begging her to do all she can to raise the

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<v Speaker 1>alarm with the higher ups in the prison. She says,

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<v Speaker 1>I cannot afford to get this virus. It may kill me.

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<v Speaker 1>Please help. Lulu tests positive for COVID in early April

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty. Fellow inmates say she's been lying in her

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<v Speaker 1>cell for days, barely able to move. On April seventh,

0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:29.680
<v Speaker 1>she's taken to the Bedford Infirmary and then to the hospital,

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<v Speaker 1>where she's placed on a ventilator. One of Lulu's friends

0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:38.040
<v Speaker 1>says her family requests a video call, but that the

0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:42.840
<v Speaker 1>on duty officer guarding Lulu in the hospital refuses. Her

0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:45.639
<v Speaker 1>family eventually convinced the doctor to hold the phone to

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<v Speaker 1>her ear so they can say goodbye. Lulu dies alone

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<v Speaker 1>in hospital on April twenty eighth, twenty twenty, sixty one

0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:05.480
<v Speaker 1>years old. She's the first incarcerated woman in the state

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<v Speaker 1>of New York to die from COVID nineteen and if

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<v Speaker 1>you ask Kelly, she shouldn't have even been there in

0:20:11.720 --> 0:20:15.520
<v Speaker 1>the first place. Do you remember the first time you

0:20:15.640 --> 0:20:16.800
<v Speaker 1>learned that she had died.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember the date, but we cried like babies

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<v Speaker 2>the usual circumstances when somebody passes away. We have like

0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:31.280
<v Speaker 2>a memorial for them in the church, but because of COVID,

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<v Speaker 2>we couldn't even have that. I'm not gonna say I

0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:41.600
<v Speaker 2>was her best friend, but I mean that hit home

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<v Speaker 2>because I felt guilty. I felt like the way.

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<v Speaker 1>She died in a hospital, she couldn't even talk to

0:20:53.040 --> 0:20:59.080
<v Speaker 1>her family. That it just breaks my heart. If I

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<v Speaker 1>got routes, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>What all those times that she came there, like, why

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<v Speaker 2>didn't I take her first?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe she could have been all before COVID, and maybe

0:21:12.600 --> 0:21:25.000
<v Speaker 1>she would have still been alive. You'd think that seeing

0:21:25.040 --> 0:21:27.760
<v Speaker 1>Lulu pass away from COVID would have made Kelly a

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<v Speaker 1>hundred times more hyper vigilant about staying safe, but if anything,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the opposite. Due to the lockdown, the law library

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<v Speaker 1>is closed. They've also taken away access to the computer

0:21:39.600 --> 0:21:42.600
<v Speaker 1>tablets that the inmates can use to work on their cases.

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<v Speaker 1>The only place where you can still use these tablets

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<v Speaker 1>is in the infirmary. I can only imagine that after

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<v Speaker 1>seeing so many people die, not just those connected to

0:21:52.920 --> 0:21:56.560
<v Speaker 1>her own case but beyond, Kelly just becomes even more

0:21:56.600 --> 0:22:00.280
<v Speaker 1>desperate to secure her freedom before her own time runs out,

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<v Speaker 1>no matter the cost. So she does something extremely reckless.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, I have to catch COVID. I was telling

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<v Speaker 2>people to cough in my face. I was purposely telling people,

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<v Speaker 2>like after they're drinking something, I said, can you just

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<v Speaker 2>leave me a little sip of the drink out of

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<v Speaker 2>your cup? And finally, I actually really didn't feel well.

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<v Speaker 1>She takes a test just to be sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course it was positive.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that she successfully infected herself, Kelly has her ticket

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<v Speaker 1>to the infirmary, but before that, she heads back to

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<v Speaker 1>herself to pick up the stuff she wants to take

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<v Speaker 1>in with her.

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<v Speaker 2>I had two enormous garbage bags worth of paperwork. Right away,

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<v Speaker 2>they stopped me and they want to know where the

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<v Speaker 2>hell I think I'm going with two bags of paperwork,

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<v Speaker 2>And I said, I'm going to the infirmary because I

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<v Speaker 2>tested positive. And they're trying to say I'm not allowed

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<v Speaker 2>to bring the paperwork, which is a lie, because I

0:23:07.880 --> 0:23:11.040
<v Speaker 2>clearly I have the directive memorize you are allowed to

0:23:11.040 --> 0:23:14.920
<v Speaker 2>bring paperwork. I threw the paperwork down and I just

0:23:15.000 --> 0:23:18.800
<v Speaker 2>laid across. I put one arm on one big and

0:23:18.840 --> 0:23:21.800
<v Speaker 2>one arm on the other. I said, I'm not going

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<v Speaker 2>into my cell. I'm pulling my mask off. You stay

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<v Speaker 2>the hell away from me. Anybody comes near me and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to go off all over all of you,

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<v Speaker 2>all of you. And it was so scared.

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<v Speaker 1>It was scared to death.

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<v Speaker 2>This went on for eight hours. So because of the

0:23:40.400 --> 0:23:43.040
<v Speaker 2>fact that it went on for eight hours, somebody finally

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<v Speaker 2>said just let her take it, so thank god. So

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<v Speaker 2>I took the paperwork eight hours later, and god, it

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<v Speaker 2>was so heavy, and I realized I was like, I was.

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<v Speaker 6>Like Jesus, I couldn't breathe. I couldn't breathe. Now, the

0:24:08.359 --> 0:24:11.399
<v Speaker 6>infirmary is quite a walk away, so you always know

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<v Speaker 6>who has COVID when they're being escorted.

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<v Speaker 1>Especially with their property.

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<v Speaker 2>So I have half the yard run up to me. Esquire, Esquire,

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<v Speaker 2>oh no, esqt library, all the library.

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<v Speaker 4>But I couldn't even look at them.

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<v Speaker 2>I was watching the cracks in the grounds and like

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<v Speaker 2>I was starting to get tunnel vision because it was

0:24:33.320 --> 0:24:36.879
<v Speaker 2>so heavy and I couldn't breathe. And I remember looking

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<v Speaker 2>at the cracks in the grounds and saying, I think

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna die here. And I said, if I die here,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what. I died fighting.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously, Kelly did not die from COVID nineteen, she makes

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<v Speaker 1>a full recovery and as for the work she's doing,

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<v Speaker 1>paying off her friend, Tasha is being resentenced.

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<v Speaker 4>I was, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 5>I was happy and scared and nervous. I think I

0:25:12.800 --> 0:25:16.200
<v Speaker 5>was maybe the third person in Bedford to get resentencing.

0:25:19.000 --> 0:25:23.760
<v Speaker 1>This resentencing means that Tasha is getting out. She's one

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<v Speaker 1>of at least four people Kelly says she's helped regain

0:25:26.600 --> 0:25:32.280
<v Speaker 1>their freedom. The night before Tasha's resentencing in July twenty

0:25:32.320 --> 0:25:35.000
<v Speaker 1>twenty one, her and Kelly are hanging out in one

0:25:35.040 --> 0:25:37.280
<v Speaker 1>of the yards.

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<v Speaker 2>She said, Kelly, if it wasn't for you, I wouldn't

0:25:42.240 --> 0:25:45.480
<v Speaker 2>be walking out of these doors tomorrow. I said, oh,

0:25:45.520 --> 0:25:48.960
<v Speaker 2>you probably would at some point she said no, no,

0:25:49.800 --> 0:25:53.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm telling you I'd be doing I don't know, twenty

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<v Speaker 2>years or whatever.

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<v Speaker 5>They got old Kelly the most everything with my every being,

0:26:01.480 --> 0:26:04.920
<v Speaker 5>because if it wasn't for her, I probably would never

0:26:05.040 --> 0:26:07.120
<v Speaker 5>have gone back to the lower Library.

0:26:06.720 --> 0:26:08.600
<v Speaker 4>To try to find, you know, fight my way out.

0:26:09.760 --> 0:26:11.320
<v Speaker 5>A lord is say they're supposed to have your faith

0:26:11.359 --> 0:26:14.760
<v Speaker 5>in God, but I had nothing but faith in her.

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<v Speaker 1>The next morning, Kelly watches from her cell as her

0:26:19.640 --> 0:26:21.120
<v Speaker 1>friendly Spadford.

0:26:20.720 --> 0:26:26.119
<v Speaker 2>Behind standing on my window. I looked up and I

0:26:26.200 --> 0:26:30.760
<v Speaker 2>saw her going up the hill. I watched and I

0:26:30.840 --> 0:26:38.000
<v Speaker 2>started to cry. I was happy for her, but I

0:26:38.040 --> 0:26:42.639
<v Speaker 2>was like, I wish that was me. I wish that

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<v Speaker 2>was me, And I guess God heard that.

0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:10.960
<v Speaker 1>Kelly Hannett was officially removed from her job in the

0:27:10.960 --> 0:27:15.000
<v Speaker 1>Bedford Hills Law Library in April twenty twenty. She's still

0:27:15.040 --> 0:27:17.200
<v Speaker 1>allowed to go in there, but she's not allowed to

0:27:17.240 --> 0:27:19.080
<v Speaker 1>give legal help with cases anymore.

0:27:19.800 --> 0:27:22.720
<v Speaker 2>The law library was like driven into the ground after

0:27:22.760 --> 0:27:23.200
<v Speaker 2>I left.

0:27:24.080 --> 0:27:27.280
<v Speaker 1>After losing the battle to keep working in the law library,

0:27:27.960 --> 0:27:34.159
<v Speaker 1>Kelly finally admits defeat. She stops taking clients and hangs

0:27:34.240 --> 0:27:39.640
<v Speaker 1>up her jailhouse lawyer boots for good. Now I'm only

0:27:39.680 --> 0:27:44.320
<v Speaker 1>taking the piss. The law is the true love of

0:27:44.480 --> 0:27:47.359
<v Speaker 1>Kelly Harnett's life, and she's not going to give it

0:27:47.440 --> 0:27:53.359
<v Speaker 1>up for anyone. And so, dear listener, I'm excited to

0:27:53.400 --> 0:27:57.560
<v Speaker 1>welcome you to Kelly Hannett's underground law library.

0:27:59.480 --> 0:28:03.320
<v Speaker 2>I just helping people on the unit. I started helping

0:28:03.359 --> 0:28:09.199
<v Speaker 2>people in the yards. I helped people, no joke, in snowstorms,

0:28:09.760 --> 0:28:10.600
<v Speaker 2>and I'm not even.

0:28:10.520 --> 0:28:14.960
<v Speaker 1>Kidding it was it got bared one rainy day Kelly's

0:28:15.000 --> 0:28:18.400
<v Speaker 1>in the prison yard doing some secrets prison rule breaking

0:28:18.480 --> 0:28:20.679
<v Speaker 1>door work for one of her inmate clients.

0:28:21.040 --> 0:28:25.280
<v Speaker 2>They sold ponchos in the commissary. We had girls holding

0:28:25.400 --> 0:28:30.200
<v Speaker 2>two ponchos over us because the girl whose federal habeist

0:28:30.280 --> 0:28:33.720
<v Speaker 2>I didn't finish, she had like two days left, so

0:28:33.840 --> 0:28:41.120
<v Speaker 2>they held it over us so that we could finish it.

0:28:38.760 --> 0:28:43.360
<v Speaker 1>While I was boring. I mean, if I was an

0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:46.080
<v Speaker 1>officer and I saw that, I would have thought much

0:28:46.160 --> 0:28:48.000
<v Speaker 1>worse things were happening underneath.

0:28:48.120 --> 0:28:48.840
<v Speaker 5>Oh that yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well they checked it out though, and they said, oh,

0:28:51.160 --> 0:28:56.360
<v Speaker 2>that's just Harnett, that's little library. Then they started searching

0:28:56.400 --> 0:29:01.640
<v Speaker 2>my cell, ripping it apart, looking for other people's law papers.

0:29:01.720 --> 0:29:05.200
<v Speaker 2>But I was never stupid enough to keep anyone's legal papers.

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<v Speaker 2>Every time I finished helping them, I get them right

0:29:07.520 --> 0:29:09.120
<v Speaker 2>back to them and say go ahead, I'll meet you

0:29:09.120 --> 0:29:09.840
<v Speaker 2>on another day.

0:29:12.400 --> 0:29:16.080
<v Speaker 1>Kelly's jail house lawyer reputation is so secure that even

0:29:16.160 --> 0:29:19.080
<v Speaker 1>when she's not in the law library anymore, people know

0:29:19.160 --> 0:29:21.880
<v Speaker 1>she's the person to come to. And now with the

0:29:21.960 --> 0:29:25.239
<v Speaker 1>vital tool of the Domestic Violence Survivors Justice Act in

0:29:25.280 --> 0:29:31.320
<v Speaker 1>her back pocket, it seems like she's unstoppable. One day,

0:29:31.560 --> 0:29:34.440
<v Speaker 1>Kelly heads into a place called the day Room. It's

0:29:34.440 --> 0:29:37.520
<v Speaker 1>on the on a floor where Kelly stays. It's a

0:29:37.560 --> 0:29:39.720
<v Speaker 1>section of the prison you get access to if you

0:29:39.800 --> 0:29:43.840
<v Speaker 1>have consistent good behavior or if you keep your clandesign

0:29:43.960 --> 0:29:48.320
<v Speaker 1>Law Library operation under wraps. And in there she finds

0:29:48.400 --> 0:29:51.280
<v Speaker 1>someone we're calling Tina, who's playing cards with some of

0:29:51.280 --> 0:29:54.080
<v Speaker 1>the other women on the floor. Tina has been in

0:29:54.080 --> 0:29:57.920
<v Speaker 1>prison since twenty sixteen. She suffered a lifetime of abuse

0:29:57.960 --> 0:30:02.880
<v Speaker 1>from family members, previous partner, and others. One terrible night,

0:30:03.040 --> 0:30:06.680
<v Speaker 1>following a drug relapse, she violently attacked her then boyfriend.

0:30:07.400 --> 0:30:11.680
<v Speaker 1>She was found guilty of attempted murder. Kelly and Tina

0:30:11.800 --> 0:30:14.640
<v Speaker 1>get to talking about what Kelly's been up to in

0:30:14.920 --> 0:30:16.560
<v Speaker 1>and out of the law library.

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<v Speaker 7>She started telling me, you know how many people she's

0:30:20.400 --> 0:30:24.280
<v Speaker 7>helped along the way in how many you know appeals

0:30:24.320 --> 0:30:27.320
<v Speaker 7>she has put in for individuals.

0:30:26.480 --> 0:30:30.920
<v Speaker 1>And I'm just listening to her. Tina is a little

0:30:30.920 --> 0:30:33.280
<v Speaker 1>different from most of the other women Kelly deals with.

0:30:34.200 --> 0:30:37.720
<v Speaker 1>She doesn't need Kelly's help. She already has a lawyer

0:30:37.760 --> 0:30:38.720
<v Speaker 1>fighting her corner.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm not thinking of her helping me. I'm thinking of

0:30:41.960 --> 0:30:45.320
<v Speaker 7>me helping her, and I'm like, okay, I'm gonna reach

0:30:45.360 --> 0:30:48.440
<v Speaker 7>out to the lawyer that's helping me, is you know,

0:30:48.560 --> 0:30:51.000
<v Speaker 7>see what she can do or if she's willing to

0:30:51.040 --> 0:30:52.320
<v Speaker 7>take on this case.

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<v Speaker 1>The lawyer's name is Kate Mogolescu.

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<v Speaker 7>Kate was more than willing, and she was like, yeah, sure,

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<v Speaker 7>i'll you know, I'll look it up.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll see what I can do.

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<v Speaker 7>And eventually she did that and she took on Kelly's case.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a phone call with Kate mogula school and

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<v Speaker 2>Kate asked me, Kelly, would you like to write your

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<v Speaker 2>own motion? And I thought that was so cool and

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<v Speaker 2>I would love to write my own motion and I

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<v Speaker 2>said yes, absolutely. It wasn't until after she asked me

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<v Speaker 2>that that I realized, wait a minute, I can't just

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<v Speaker 2>jump on this like every single other statute and motion

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<v Speaker 2>and case. This is very different. This is where emotions

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<v Speaker 2>meet the law.

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly writes and writes, pouring her heart into each page.

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<v Speaker 1>She's constructing what's called the narrative, sharing the abuses and

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<v Speaker 1>trauma she suffered throughout her life, making the court see

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<v Speaker 1>how all built up to the one final catastrophic event

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<v Speaker 1>that put her behind bars. Once she's done, she hands

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<v Speaker 1>it over to Kate, who tweaks it and submits it,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they wait a few months. After their submission,

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<v Speaker 1>a response comes through.

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<v Speaker 2>Keith said to me, they're allowing you to replee. She

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<v Speaker 2>said fifteen years, but I was at thirteen.

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<v Speaker 1>I said no.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, it's time serves or nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly's lost too many years already, so she tells Kate

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<v Speaker 1>to go back and fight.

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<v Speaker 2>I just felt it.

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<v Speaker 1>One day, Kelly practically leaps out of her cell and

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<v Speaker 1>starts booking it to the law library.

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<v Speaker 2>I ran so that I could be the first one

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<v Speaker 2>in the kiask. I jumped on, I put my numbers in.

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<v Speaker 1>She has a message.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was from Kate. She said, Kelly, they gave

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<v Speaker 2>you time served. You got it, Congratulations And I just

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<v Speaker 2>started screaming.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like.

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<v Speaker 2>And my best friends knew what was going on, so

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<v Speaker 2>they were like, you got it.

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, I got it. I'm going home.

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<v Speaker 2>People started pounding on their doors.

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<v Speaker 4>Let me out, Let me out, so.

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<v Speaker 2>That everybody came out from inside. They all just stood

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<v Speaker 2>there and clacked for me. We ran into the phone

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<v Speaker 2>room and I said, here's the phone call for years

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<v Speaker 2>I've been going over this phone call in my head.

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<v Speaker 1>The phone called her brother, Ronnie and their mother.

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<v Speaker 2>I get to call them up and scream on coming on.

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly dials the number, her fingers shaking.

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<v Speaker 2>I said Hi, Ronnie, and he's like hi, and I said, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm coming on. He said, oh my god, Kelly, thank god.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm like, why is he sounding like you? Normally

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<v Speaker 2>Ronnie would be screaming, but he's whispering.

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<v Speaker 4>So I said till I.

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<v Speaker 2>And he said, no, Oh, I can't Kelly.

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<v Speaker 4>She's sleeping.

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<v Speaker 2>And I said, Ronnie, I'm coming home from prison.

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<v Speaker 1>Wake her up.

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<v Speaker 2>And he was like, Kelly, she can't talk. And I said,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you mean she can't talk. I just spoke

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<v Speaker 2>to her Ronnie the day before last. He said, I know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what's wrong with her. She cannot speak.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what to do with her. Every time

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<v Speaker 2>I tell her I'm gonna call nine one one, she

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<v Speaker 2>shakes it. No, no, no, So I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>to do. So I told Ronnie put me on speaker

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<v Speaker 2>and wake her up, and he did that, and I said.

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<v Speaker 4>Mom, I'm coming home. I'm coming home.

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly's mom doesn't reply.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, Ronnie, is she reacting? What is she doing?

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<v Speaker 2>He said, she gave a thumbs up and like that

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<v Speaker 2>broke my hell. I said, oh my god, my mother's dying.

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<v Speaker 1>After serving twelve years helping at least four other women

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<v Speaker 1>get out of prison, Kelly Harnett has finally finally won

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<v Speaker 1>her own freedom. The day she'll get to walk out

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<v Speaker 1>of Bedford Prison is just around the corner. But it

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<v Speaker 1>might have come too late for her mother, Kathleen.

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<v Speaker 2>I needed to get out. It was a race against time, now.

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<v Speaker 1>Next time. On the final episode of The Girlfriend's Gel

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<v Speaker 1>House Lawyer.

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<v Speaker 2>And when it came out of the yeats, I remember

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<v Speaker 2>a screaming and going and putting my arms in the air.

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<v Speaker 2>When I looked at her eyes, I said, that's my mother.

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't believe for our scene and Sam stated, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know where I stand with anything.

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<v Speaker 4>Will they put me in prison?

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<v Speaker 2>They put everybody in prison. Really, it's over, It's over?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it over? The Girlfriend's Jailhouse Lawyer is produced by

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<v Speaker 1>Novel for iHeart Podcasts. For more from Novel, visit novel

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