1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: I put with Alexi Napola and Marissa Patton an iHeartRadio podcast. 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 2: Ola, Hi, guys, how's everyone? So Marathon will not be 3 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 2: with me here today because she's having a fabulous time 4 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 2: on a cruise with her hobby in Europe. 5 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 1: She's actually renewing her vows Peter, Hi. 6 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 2: Put fouer Mariso, did you hear that? But we're missing 7 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 2: you and it's not going to be the same without you. 8 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 2: Peter will try to fill in for you, and it's 9 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 2: going to be a lot of fun because I've actually 10 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 2: never co hosted with my son Peter. I've never done 11 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 2: a podcast with him. So wa Mohamed, Let's see how 12 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 2: it goes for us. You guys be the judge of it. 13 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 2: I hope you like it. I think that a good 14 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 2: question to start off would be, what do you think 15 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 2: is the best piece of advice that I've. 16 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: Ever given you? 17 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 3: I wish I would have taken all of your advice, 18 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 3: but unfortunately that's not how it works. You know, I've 19 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 3: had to, you know, go through a lot of hardships 20 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 3: and you learn, unfortunately. But I always had your little 21 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 3: voice in my head, like, don't do that, Peter and 22 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 3: English or Spanish it Spanglish, so you always guided me 23 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 3: in the right direction, even though my actions never you know, 24 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 3: really matched with it. But as the years have progressed 25 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 3: and everything, I'm very grateful for your advice. I know 26 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 3: you only meant the best and stuff right. 27 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:32,119 Speaker 2: Well, I think as a mom, right and especially being Latina, 28 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 2: I feel that we're always giving advice and you know, 29 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 2: whether you take it or not, it's just about you 30 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 2: listening and then realizing. You know, I realize also that 31 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 2: you have to go through it yourself because I actually 32 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 2: had to do. 33 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: The same thing. My mom gave me a lot of 34 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: advice that I didn't. 35 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 2: Take at the time, and after looking back, I was like, oop, 36 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 2: like I wish I would have listened to my mom. 37 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 2: And I can think of like one thing, you know, 38 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 2: specifically like my mom when you know your mom, you know, 39 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 2: and my mom, which is your aguela, would always tell 40 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 2: me as many times as you want, like you can 41 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 2: get married and divorced as many times as you want. 42 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:15,959 Speaker 1: Thank you for finishing this sentence. 43 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 2: Okay, so you even remember my mom's advice, of. 44 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: Course, but you see it so it's thinking in because you. 45 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 2: Know what I like, who you married so you can 46 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 2: have and you didn't have children, So basically, Peter's just 47 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 2: finishing the line so you can get married and divorced 48 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,519 Speaker 2: as many times as you like, even though we like 49 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 2: it to be one. But who you have children changes 50 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 2: your entire life, and there will be part of your life. 51 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 1: For your entire life. 52 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 2: And I think that we know that because you know, 53 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 2: your father still plays you know, a big role, you know, 54 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 2: in our lives. So, like we said, that was one 55 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 2: of the advices that I think of my mom all 56 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 2: the time. And it's true, you know, you it's somebody 57 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 2: when you have children, it really changes your life and 58 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 2: you really you adopt him and his family as your 59 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 2: family as well. 60 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: And I'm glad. 61 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 3: You'd say, well. 62 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 1: I didn't take it. 63 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 2: I married your dad, but in a good way, because look, 64 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 2: I have two beautiful children. I have you and your brother, 65 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 2: you know, And that's how I see it. It's it's 66 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 2: actually like how you see things, right, You can see things. 67 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:22,399 Speaker 1: However you want to see them. But no, I don't 68 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 1: think she's. 69 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 2: No because you know, we worry about right, which is 70 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 2: like what I worry about with you two now. 71 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: It's like you know, yes, you're super in love and 72 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: you get married and blah blah blah. 73 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 2: But then you have kids and it's really forever, like 74 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 2: your relationship might not work out, but once there's children involved, 75 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 2: everything changes. And I think that that's you know, a 76 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 2: very good advice, you know, but again, you never I 77 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 2: never took it. 78 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 3: You know. 79 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 2: It's kind of like, oh, you know, I'm in love, 80 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 2: I'm still gonna get married, I'm still gona have kids 81 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 2: and whatever. But you know, at the end, it's kind 82 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 2: of like, you know, you pay for everything, like by 83 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 2: a bordeaux, you know, and you learn from it. It's 84 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 2: really not in a way like I know back then, 85 00:03:58,040 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 2: you know, the parents used to say that like oh, 86 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 2: you know, like you're going to pay for it, But 87 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 2: you know, I like to see it like a life lesson, 88 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 2: you know, and you learn from it. And I think 89 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 2: that you you do listen to my advice. 90 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: And maybe not at the moment right when. 91 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 2: I tell you, but I feel like, you know, it's 92 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 2: it's somewhere in there and it's like it sings in 93 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 2: and I think and you know, in the last year, 94 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 2: for example, you've been listening to it. 95 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:19,919 Speaker 1: You know. 96 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 3: We have a small, close type family, so I don't 97 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 3: just take it as advice. I take it as everything 98 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 3: speaking to you just some you know, I think that. 99 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 2: We're like in a relationship now, you know where you're 100 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 2: obviously older, so we're like we're friends and I give 101 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 2: you advice, you know, not only as your mother, but 102 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 2: like as a friend, as a woman. 103 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 3: Like somebody that she doesn't set me down on the 104 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 3: counch to be like Peter. No, we talk, we go 105 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 3: to lunch. It's completely different. 106 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:54,239 Speaker 2: Right, the dynamics are have obviously changed because with age 107 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 2: and maturity, and you know, we we've established that my mom, 108 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 2: you know, so my mom was just like kiatrist and 109 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 2: you know that Peter, we missed her so much because 110 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 2: my mom was so therapeutic, Like she would be talking 111 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 2: and giving us advice and therapy without us even realizing it. 112 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 2: So we literally had like our free psychiatrists the whole time, 113 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 2: you know, giving us, giving us advice. But even my mom, 114 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 2: as a psychiatrist, knew that even though people paid her 115 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 2: to give her such good advice, she would give it 116 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 2: to me for free and I wouldn't take it. So 117 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 2: with some moral of the story that we have to 118 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 2: go through like our own life, lessons and learn from 119 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 2: it ourselves. 120 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: So that was my mom. 121 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 2: So my dad, for example, my dad would always tell 122 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 2: me like I had to have a degree, no matter what. 123 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 2: I had to graduate, you know, from college, and I 124 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 2: had to have a degree because a degree was so important. 125 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 2: So my dad always really reiterated the fact that a 126 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 2: woman must have a career and be self sufficient and 127 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 2: that would really be you know, life changing. And you 128 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 2: never knew, you know, because obviously back then, you know, 129 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 2: your parents always wanted for you to be married forever, 130 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 2: but really not as a career. You know, they wanted 131 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 2: to maybe will want to be a stay at home 132 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 2: mom and a housewife. You still have to have a 133 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 2: degree and something to fall on. So I think that's 134 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 2: the best advice that my dad gave me, and I 135 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 2: totally took it. 136 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: I regret not going to law school because. 137 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 2: My father passed away and I was accepted into law 138 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 2: school and everything, but I had the conflict that I 139 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 2: didn't know that I wanted to, you know, be an 140 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 2: attorney and work all these hours and maybe not spend 141 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 2: as much time with my kids. So I just decided 142 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 2: to get my master's in special led and have a 143 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 2: career where I can, you know, take my kids to 144 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 2: school in the morning, spend more time with him, have 145 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 2: summers off. So that was a personal decision, but my 146 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 2: father always the best advice was like, you have to 147 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 2: go to school and have a degree, which I also 148 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 2: told you. 149 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: I feel like all the advice that A will, A, 150 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: Nancy and my dad gave me. 151 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 3: And I'm sure I'll give some of it to my 152 00:06:58,160 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 3: kids one day. 153 00:06:59,440 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: I hope. 154 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 2: So, I hope so, because you know, all we as 155 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 2: parents do is, you know, we try to protect you 156 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 2: and save you. 157 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 1: And and I think. 158 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 2: Especially us, like Latina moms, I think we're a little 159 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 2: bit more overbearing, aggressive one in the delivery or in 160 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 2: the advice right because someone we passionate. 161 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: We're very passionate, you know. 162 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 2: And I think that and that it shows I have 163 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 2: some of the questions that I feel like, you know, 164 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 2: some of the people listening to us and that have 165 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 2: been watching you, you know, and been watching me you 166 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 2: know on TV and the Housewives, and have been watching 167 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 2: you since you were a young boy. Every teen experience 168 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 2: is growing paints. But do you resent the fact I 169 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 2: think we've talked about this, like you and I sometimes 170 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 2: do you resent the fact that you had to grow 171 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 2: up on national TV because honestly, it was something I 172 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 2: wanted to do, and you were still a young boy, 173 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 2: and I never really asked you and your brother I 174 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 2: kind of did. I said, oh, you guys want to 175 00:07:58,120 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 2: be on the show. 176 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 3: I was cast for a show, and I was the 177 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 3: one that recommended it to you. 178 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: Like, hey, you told me about it, and I. 179 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 3: Already knew all of that entailed, and I was already casting, 180 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 3: doing the casting for a TV show, and I knew 181 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 3: everything that was going to come with that. So since 182 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 3: the beginning, I honestly never had a problem. And I 183 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 3: had to model and made for the camera and commercials, editorial, 184 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 3: all this stuff, so it really it made no difference 185 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 3: to me, honestly, right, No. 186 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 2: You were pretty comfortable with it, you know. I think 187 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 2: also though you were really young and you didn't know. 188 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 2: I remember when this talk came about the show. My 189 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 2: concern was that it was going to open our lives 190 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 2: to be so public, and with that a lot of 191 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 2: things from maybe our past or our family's past was 192 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 2: going to come out. And since I had always raised 193 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 2: you in a way to protect you from all that, 194 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:57,079 Speaker 2: I said, well, maybe now's the time to have the 195 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 2: conversation with you and tell you a few things you 196 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 2: didn't know about our family because I was afraid that 197 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 2: it was going to come out. So that's what was 198 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 2: holding me back. But truthfully, you know, I never asked 199 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 2: you or your brother. Your brother was only thirteen years old, 200 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 2: whether you know, it was okay, and I mean not 201 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 2: that at that age you would have really, you know, 202 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 2: had like power over me. But I think if you 203 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 2: both would have said no, like we hate it, we 204 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 2: don't want to be part of this, then maybe I 205 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 2: wouldn't have done it. But you know, because already as 206 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 2: growing up as teenagers, it's tough to be on a 207 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 2: show like that, you know. And sometimes I feel like, well, 208 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,079 Speaker 2: you know, you don't resent me, That's what I want 209 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 2: to know. 210 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 3: I think you're just different Bread And honestly, it doesn't matter. 211 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:44,959 Speaker 3: He loved it. He was young, and he loved dressing up. 212 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 3: He yeah, he was like, yeah, I'm on a TV show, 213 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 3: what's up? 214 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: Yeah? 215 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 2: So he still loves it, by the way, and Frankie 216 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 2: is a favor. He's always been like that kid that 217 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 2: loved the camera, that you know, that loved people, that 218 00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 2: loved expressing himself and. 219 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I thought it was fun. To be honest, 220 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 3: I got I mean, it's a great platform. So whatever 221 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 3: you're doing, whether it was music, modeling, baseball, whatever it was, 222 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 3: I saw it as something cool. There's some kids get 223 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 3: nervous or this. What are they going to think? Oh 224 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,839 Speaker 3: I didn't. Me and Frank you were just like, we're 225 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 3: just not like that, and we were could have been 226 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 3: anything TV show, And I. 227 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 2: Mean I felt the same, And as a parent, I 228 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 2: did it, you know, thinking it was going to be 229 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 2: something good and positive for both of you. And I 230 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 2: think as a parent, you know, as long as you 231 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 2: when you make the decisions that it's always you know, something 232 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 2: positive about it. 233 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: That's that's why I did it. 234 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 2: I thought it was going to be something good for 235 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 2: our family and for us. Like you said, you know, 236 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 2: you were an athlete, you were modeling, you know. I 237 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 2: thought it was going to be a great platform for 238 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 2: you and your brother the same. Your brother liked to 239 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 2: sing and and perform and do all that kind of stuff. 240 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 2: So I really did it for those reasons. I had 241 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 2: the magazine at the time. I thought it was a 242 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 2: great platform as well. But you know, sometimes it doesn't 243 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 2: always turn out that way right, and sometimes, like everything 244 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:12,959 Speaker 2: in life, there's pros and there's cons. 245 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the only ones that are opposed to 246 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 3: doing the show always are the husbands. And I think 247 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 3: we all know that. 248 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 2: But I mean as a child, as a teenager, you 249 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 2: were okay with it. It's not like my mom made 250 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 2: me do it. 251 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 3: No. I mean eventually, you know, it kind of gets 252 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 3: annoying you oh hell ives, oh like your son. So 253 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 3: after a while, you know, kind of gets annoying. But 254 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 3: that it comes with it. You know, your pros and cons. 255 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 3: Any little thing you do, you know you have to 256 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 3: double think what you're doing and what you post and 257 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 3: all that. And I definitely made a mistakes when I 258 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 3: was younger and I didn't think about any of that, 259 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 3: and that was definitely difficult for me. And it took 260 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:55,959 Speaker 3: me a while to kind of like grow up and 261 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 3: you know, get some sense into my head. But you know, 262 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 3: so I would say that was the most difficult part 263 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 3: for sure. And then as life starts to get more 264 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 3: serious and intense and problems come about, those problems become public, 265 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 3: so you know, all the worst things like that kind 266 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 3: of just like intensifies it. A lot more people come 267 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 3: up to you, you know, and something, oh, Lex, how 268 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 3: are you feeling? You know, It's it's a lot, but 269 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 3: it makes you stronger. And I feel like once you 270 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 3: persevere and you're able to go through that, people see that, 271 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 3: and there's people out there that need to hear that 272 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:37,439 Speaker 3: or are in similar situations. 273 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 2: So but it's something as a mom that I've always 274 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 2: like thought too, like, well, maybe if I wouldn't have 275 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 2: done the show, like you know, your lessons wouldn't have 276 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 2: been so public, or maybe those things wouldn't have even happened, 277 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 2: you know, as a result of the show, and as 278 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 2: a result of our family being more public, sometimes they 279 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 2: kind of like pick on us or like, you know, 280 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 2: they make things worse instead of better. And I think 281 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 2: that that's why it's so easy for me to talk 282 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 2: on these topics that we're going to talk about today, 283 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 2: as far as you know, Hayley Beaber and Jonah Hill 284 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 2: and the other things we're going to talk about today, 285 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 2: because you know, all these people are growing up in 286 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 2: the public eye and now with social media, there's no secrets, 287 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 2: and everybody's just like made it a point to be 288 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 2: oversharing and to you know, take o their personal lives 289 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 2: you know, onto social media. 290 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: You know, at least they pay us for it. I'm kidding, 291 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: but it's true. 292 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 2: I mean it's kind of like, you know, I feel 293 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 2: like if you want to be like, if you want 294 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 2: to be so public. 295 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 1: About it, then just having a reality show, right. 296 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 3: I don't know, but like it's ridiculous when you see 297 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 3: all these successful, happy people whatever they want to just 298 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 3: post it on the Instagram and all this. 299 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 2: Right, Well, I think funny about our family now that 300 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 2: you say that, is that, for example, one a reality show. 301 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 2: But we're I'm pretty I'm pretty private when it comes 302 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,559 Speaker 2: to like social media. On Instagram, I post the minimal 303 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 2: and we're going to be talking about that today, you know, 304 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 2: as far as the other topics we're going to talk about. 305 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 2: And people are like, but you're so open, like on 306 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 2: your show when you're in a reality show, and like, 307 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 2: why don't you like post more on social media? 308 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: And I said, because I don't like it. I don't 309 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: enjoy it. 310 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 2: And I mean, I think a lot of the social 311 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 2: media now is like is a fraud and it's fake. 312 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 2: And I've spoken to Marisol about this and other times 313 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 2: you've done the podcast, and it's something that I'm not 314 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 2: comfortable about yet. You put the camera in front of me, 315 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 2: like when we're doing the show, and I'm so genuine 316 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 2: and transparent and just you know, and just honest. And 317 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 2: that's a different, you know, a different platform or I guess, 318 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 2: you know, than social media. 319 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: So I've always wanted to ask you that. 320 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 2: I know we've talked about it sometimes before, but I 321 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 2: just want to make sure that you don't resent me. 322 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 2: I know when sometimes in your life that things have 323 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 2: happened to you in a way you're like, mom, that's 324 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 2: because I was on the show with you. 325 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, on the show. I mean probably would. 326 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: Have not done that kind of attention. 327 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 2: And usually, by the way, it's negative attention, right, because 328 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 2: nobody wants to read about or hear about how great 329 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 2: you're doing in life and how successful you are and 330 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 2: how you know, people just like to hear like the 331 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 2: bad news. 332 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: Unfortunately, that's what it is, right. 333 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 2: You grow thick skin, and you know, and like you said, 334 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 2: you know, through pain and life lessons and maturity and 335 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 2: all that, you just you know, you it's growth. I mean, 336 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 2: like that's what happens. And you've been doing this for 337 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 2: a long time, so it's kind of like okay, so okay, 338 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 2: who cares what else? 339 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: I mean? 340 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 2: You know, it's just like you know, you handle it 341 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 2: pretty well done, you do. Some people don't believe me, 342 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 2: and there's some like you know, older people that don't 343 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 2: handle it very well. 344 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 3: Just our family history. You think of reality TV show 345 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 3: is going to make me flinch? 346 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: Okay, it's just right. Well, my life has been like 347 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: a telling overla. 348 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 3: So we know that it is on TV. So I think, right, 349 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 3: you have a lot of stories, stories, but a lot 350 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 3: of insight to give to people, and if it wasn't 351 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 3: for the show, you. 352 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: Wouldn't, right, right, So with that you take the good 353 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: and the bad. And that's like what I say. 354 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, you know, I'm sharing my life and I'm 355 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 2: being vulnerable and I'm opening up my life and you know, 356 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 2: different things that have gone through in my life and 357 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 2: hopefully I can inspire people and help people, and that's 358 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 2: why I do it. And you know, when when I 359 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 2: don't have that story anymore, nothing good to offer, then 360 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 2: you know, I'm just I guess it'll be the time 361 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 2: that I won't do it anymore, because you know, I 362 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 2: feel like I have a responsibility as a public person. 363 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 2: To do that, you know, And that's like what I 364 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 2: try to tell you too. So my social media is 365 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 2: very like boring. It's just like whatever. I don't really 366 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 2: care for it, and I tell you to, you know, 367 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 2: to post as little because you know, unfortunately people only 368 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 2: want to make a comment like something mean and bad. 369 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 2: I'm like, and I've always had the rule, if you 370 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 2: have nothing to say nice, then don't say it. I'm 371 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 2: another question for you, Like, I don't even know if 372 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 2: I've ever asked you this, do you what was your 373 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 2: reaction that we're talking about a little bit about everything. 374 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 2: What was your reaction when you saw cocaine Cowboys? 375 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 3: We were always trying to like get the when I say, 376 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 3: we as me and my dad, and I was really 377 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,360 Speaker 3: the only one that supported it. My mom supports will 378 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 3: always support them. You know. Well, I don't know about 379 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 3: the story. I don't yeah, yeah, yeah, well we can 380 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 3: get into that after you just happened to be part 381 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 3: of it. So but so basically, no. 382 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: I'm just like, how did you feel when you saw that? 383 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 2: Because you're we're talking about about youth growing up as 384 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 2: a teenager on national TV, but then now your father 385 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 2: comes out on Netflix without anybody knowing by the way, 386 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 2: when I saw the trader with myself and I dropped 387 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 2: to the floor. So how did you feel? What was 388 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 2: your reaction when you saw cocaine cowboys? 389 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 3: Zero reaction? 390 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 1: Really? 391 00:17:55,720 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 3: Since high school? Oh your dad, Pete? Your dad? Is they? 392 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 3: Since ninth grade, it's been like this, so it came 393 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 3: out everyone already knew, Oh it's Peter's dad. Oh, they 394 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 3: already knew half of the stories. 395 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 1: You know, But how did you feel? Seeing like you're the. 396 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 3: Only thing that made me feel a different type of 397 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 3: way was finding out all these stories and putting all 398 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 3: these like puzzle pieces together that were like not there. 399 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 3: Had all these questions in my head when I grew up. 400 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 3: Why did I go to Spain? Why was I here? 401 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 3: Why did we move here? Why wasn't why wasn't my 402 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 3: dad at my baseball games? Why was you know? So 403 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 3: all these things I just didn't understand while growing up. 404 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 3: And I would see like other families and this and that, 405 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 3: and I was like, I was just I always told you. 406 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 2: That your dad was in school, he was like in 407 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 2: a ten year program in college. 408 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: No five year program. 409 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, And then I start like so little by little 410 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 3: watching it you know, I started to hear all these 411 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 3: stories and I'm like, WTF, and basically, were you ashamed that? 412 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: For example? 413 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:12,159 Speaker 2: I was like, like, I've said this before, Like I 414 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 2: was ashamed before about that story about you know, about 415 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 2: many things in my life have been ashamed, and I 416 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:25,360 Speaker 2: think being on my reality show has helped me talk 417 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 2: about a lot of things that I felt uncomfortable and 418 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 2: ashamed about before, you know, in my family and about 419 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 2: decisions that I had made and how I had lived 420 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 2: my life. But now after your brother's accident that I 421 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 2: started writing my book, which is not finished by the way, 422 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 2: When I started writing things down, it was therapeutic and 423 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 2: actually felt better, and I said, wow. I'm like, so 424 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 2: I've gone through like all these things in my life 425 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 2: and I've gone back up and I've come back even stronger, 426 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 2: and I've been a great mom and doing good and 427 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 2: being good, you know. And I was just kind of 428 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,439 Speaker 2: like a victim of falling in love with somebody that 429 00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 2: happened to have that life, which, by the way, I 430 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 2: don't know about it. To me, a lot of the 431 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 2: stuff was new too. I was like, what. 432 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 3: A lot of people come up to me, They're like, hey, 433 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 3: your dad's a gangster. But you know who the real 434 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 3: gangster is, your mother. 435 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: And I'm like, yes, but yeah, I don't really consider 436 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 1: myself that I do. 437 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 3: But you're real and you held it down, and yeah 438 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 3: I did. People really took that into account and noticed that, 439 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 3: you know, and yeah. 440 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 2: I'm always going to hold it down. And even when 441 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:31,439 Speaker 2: things are terrible, like you see a smile, put on 442 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 2: my red lipstick and I go out there and I 443 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 2: figure it out, and you know, and and I fight 444 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 2: for everything I have because that's that's how it is. 445 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: You know, you have to do that. That was another 446 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 1: advice my my parents gave me. 447 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 3: But I was never seen. 448 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 2: Never let people see what you're going through. You go 449 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 2: through it on your own. You put that smile on 450 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 2: your face and you go out there and you do 451 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 2: what you have to do. 452 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 3: But we were always pushing waiting for someone to pick 453 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 3: up the project. So as soon as it happened, it 454 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 3: was like dream come true and we were ready to go. 455 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I think it was. I thought it was 456 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 1: important for him to say so out of the story. 457 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 2: I didn't like that he didn't get paid for it, 458 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 2: or that, you know, it took advantage that way. Again, 459 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 2: him being you know what else or whatever. But you know, 460 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 2: I've always like I wanted to ask you that, like, 461 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 2: how do you feel like? You know, we're besides that, 462 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 2: you know, we're on this reality TV show, and then 463 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 2: your dad, you know. 464 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 3: Has Ya he's on Netflix. 465 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 1: A docuseries, you know on Netflix. 466 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 2: So it's like, okay, like you know, not Peter, you know, 467 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 2: because you know your mom and dad you know this, 468 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 2: but you know, like I want to see how how 469 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 2: you felt. 470 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: So you're You're good with it, You're. 471 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 3: Even though there's terrible things that I wish never happened, 472 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 3: but another day, it's your family and that's your blood 473 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 3: and they love you no matter what, and so you should. 474 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 2: You should love your father, you know, unconditionally. You know 475 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:52,199 Speaker 2: that that that's what it is. 476 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: But we're not. That's not the conversation. 477 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 2: I just wanted to know how you felt when you 478 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 2: saw I was surprised because this was something that he 479 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 2: talked about and that I went and I did an 480 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 2: interview kind of to like support. They wanted to interview me, 481 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 2: and I said, of course, I do you want anything 482 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 2: to help you out? 483 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:06,439 Speaker 1: Why not? 484 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 2: And they asked me some questions and then seven eight 485 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 2: nine years later, it's on it's a Netflix, so like 486 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:15,199 Speaker 2: for me, and it was kind of like at the 487 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 2: same time that our show had come back season four, 488 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 2: so I was like, Okay, I wasn't waiting for this 489 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 2: or expecting this, but then again, you know, yeah, neither. 490 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:26,640 Speaker 1: My life is like that, so that's fine. 491 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 3: No. It was the reason why I say I was 492 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 3: really happy is because finally something paid off for him, because. 493 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 2: A lot of times people never have that chance, never 494 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 2: have that opportunity. So I'm happy for him that he 495 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 2: got to say his story. Yeah, well, speaking about what 496 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 2: we want to know about, do you want to know 497 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 2: anything about Hailee Berry? 498 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 3: Hailee Berry? 499 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: Wait no, Hailey Bieber? Sorry, missus Bieber, missus Bieber. 500 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:58,640 Speaker 2: Okay, well, apparently they are Auandola of a first trap 501 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 2: if she's doing what she's posting bikini picks, Like what do. 502 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 1: You think that happened? 503 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 2: For example, she posted the pic of like the little 504 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 2: teeny waity bikini and then she deleted it moment like instantly. 505 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 2: People want to say it's because he's controlling and he 506 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 2: made her like take it off, like oh yeah, Gita, 507 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 2: so you know, like. 508 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 3: Deleted, Yeah, she was going to the story would be completely. 509 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 2: With a Canadian Canadiano. But you know, I don't want 510 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 2: to think that. I don't want to think why are 511 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 2: we always blaming other people? So why are we blaming 512 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 2: Justin bab for telling her like, take it off, take 513 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 2: it down, because he's controlling, you know. Sometimes you know, 514 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 2: maybe she had a shot or she had like too 515 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 2: much to drink, and she was feeling some sort of 516 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 2: way so she posted like you know that that picture 517 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 2: and then she's like and then you're feeling like insecure 518 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 2: and you're like, oh, let me delete it, right. I mean, 519 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 2: that's how That's how I want to see it. But 520 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 2: I feel like Laine, like they're always looking for a problem. 521 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 2: They're like, oh, he's it's you know, it's just In 522 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 2: Baber that Like he's so controlling, he made her take 523 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,919 Speaker 2: it off, take it down. I mean, I feel like 524 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 2: Kaylee Beaver's had it really difficult as far as being 525 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 2: married to Justin because I felt like everybody loved Selena 526 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 2: Gomez so much. Okay, she was never gonna like be 527 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 2: Selena and she was never going to get receive that 528 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 2: love that everyone had with Selena and Justin when they 529 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 2: were together. 530 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 3: I mean, they were always in the friend group between 531 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:29,199 Speaker 3: like Candle Justin David Candle, He's he's slept with all 532 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 3: of her friends and little Mary and Haley. 533 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: They ask her, that's what I always say. 534 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:37,120 Speaker 3: I've never heard that one. 535 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,199 Speaker 1: We say it, okay here in Miami, that's what I 536 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: say my friend group. 537 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 3: Okay, well I don't want to hear it, but. 538 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: That's what it is. 539 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 2: But yeah, but again, you know, I think that you 540 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:51,959 Speaker 2: know that she's young, she's a model. 541 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 1: This is what she does. 542 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 2: You can have a change of heart, a change of 543 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 2: you know, the moment, and you're like, oh shit, like 544 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 2: I shouldn't have posted that, let. 545 00:24:58,440 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: Me delete it. But I don't. 546 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 2: And I think that it's because he's controlling, you know, 547 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,479 Speaker 2: And I feel like she has a lot of pressure. 548 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 2: Like all her friends are like posting half naked pictures, 549 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, even like you know, Gomez 550 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 2: was like posting pictures of like her boobs. So it's 551 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 2: kind of like, you know what, me, all my friends 552 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:17,719 Speaker 2: are doing the same thing that are my age, So 553 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,679 Speaker 2: let me be a little bit more provocative. 554 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I just think we should just 555 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 1: get rid of the Instagram. 556 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 2: Truthfully, I would give it up right now? Can anybody 557 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 2: come just shut down the whole thing? No, I don't 558 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 2: need it, you know. I think it's like a lot 559 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 2: of these girls need the validation. You know a lot 560 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 2: of people on social media. That's what they're looking for. 561 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 2: That's validation. Get get it, get Haley. What do you 562 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 2: think they're going to tell Haley? Oh my god, you're 563 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 2: so high? Oh my god, the emoji, the file. 564 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 3: It's how many privileged girls that go to good schools 565 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 3: come from good families. They have all the connections, they 566 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 3: could do whatever they want, but nothing makes them feel 567 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 3: better than looking like woll now. 568 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: But really, well, you know, it's a very sad thing 569 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: for me. It's a very sad thing. 570 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 2: And instead of coming out with more apps and more 571 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 2: stuff like that, they need to find a way shut 572 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 2: them all down because no boil. I can't like honestly, 573 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 2: it just makes me like very sad. So of course 574 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 2: I follow Sophia Regatta, and Sophia and Joe are going 575 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 2: their separate race. I get you know, is it a 576 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 2: seven year rich? I think in those are we agreeing 577 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 2: that the seven year itch exists? Went between Sophia and Joe, 578 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 2: It obviously did, because they're announcing that they are separating. 579 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 2: I did find it strange though, And you see that's 580 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,439 Speaker 2: where people are looking at the fact that he said, 581 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 2: you know, Felicuo Sophia and the picture was a blurred picture. 582 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:56,400 Speaker 1: That's kind of like a sign. 583 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 2: I didn't see the picture either, but now I'm looking 584 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 2: at it and it's like a blurry. It's kind of 585 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 2: like it was in the past. It's kind of like 586 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 2: an indication. Oh deeople. 587 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:06,880 Speaker 1: Still he knew exactly what he was doing. 588 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 3: Look at Shakira with Jimmy Butler. Now, so who knows 589 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 3: what Shakira. 590 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 1: I love about Shakira. 591 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 2: Jimmy Butler came with some news today in me see 592 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:22,919 Speaker 2: men Ganta. 593 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 3: Uh uh yeah, so let's see what what Sophie gets 594 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 3: gets into, you know, different different in her life, you know. 595 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: So yeah, listen, I'm very happy for Shakida. 596 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 2: I talk about her here all the time because we 597 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 2: love her, and I love that she moved to Miami 598 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 2: and then she's you know, dating different people because you 599 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 2: know what I mean, it's important, you know, as a 600 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 2: woman especially I feel like women. I mean, in this case, 601 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,119 Speaker 2: I don't know she Sophia or Jodeja, Sophia or with 602 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 2: something mutual. We don't have any information at this point. 603 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 2: With Shakira, it was like her husband was cheated on her, 604 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 2: So you know, I haven't in that case, even though 605 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 2: people think I have. It was different and it was 606 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 2: with a different sex, so that doesn't county very different 607 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 2: and I prefer it that way, by the way. So 608 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 2: but in this case do not. You don't know who 609 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 2: left too, And sometimes that makes a difference. A lot 610 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 2: of times, I want to say it makes a difference 611 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 2: because you know, you feel as a woman, you feel 612 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 2: like you feel bad about yourself. 613 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: You know, your self esteem is affected. 614 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 2: And even though you're a mega superstar like Shakira and 615 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 2: you're beautiful and you have a great body, and you 616 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 2: can sing and and you have everything else going for you, 617 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 2: it makes you feel bad about yourself when a man 618 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 2: that you never expected that you love doesn't, you know, 619 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 2: it's a betrayal. 620 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 3: And it's between her and Jimmy. It's a thirteen year difference. 621 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: She likes him young. 622 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 2: I like that, Maita likes the young the young one, 623 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 2: Ladina Latina or everything. 624 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 3: They're saying that what went to the game, Like that's 625 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 3: when Jimmy started to play bad Game three against Boston. 626 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 3: So there's all these people Miami. 627 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 2: She went to the gate, Na, we're eliminating you because 628 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 2: Miami heat is. 629 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 3: The way the playoffs come. I'm sorry. 630 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, you can come to my house. We can watch together. 631 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 3: Here. 632 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 2: We'll be ruining for Jimmy and they able the point. 633 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 2: Oh my god, how much fun. But you know what, 634 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 2: So you know, some people are happy, like Shakira and Jimmy, 635 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 2: but then some other people are sad, like Sophia and Joe, 636 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 2: because no matter what, a breakup is always very sad. 637 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 2: Hopefully it's amicable. Maybe maybe they could get back together. 638 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 2: Look at Sylvester Stallone and and Jennifer Plumb then went 639 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 2: back together. No, Sophia has a son, Manolo. I think 640 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,479 Speaker 2: he's thirty one or thirty two, like you, from her 641 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 2: previous husband. Uh now, actually she never married him, I think. 642 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 2: But it's the father of her son. And and with Joe, 643 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 2: she has no kids. 644 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: Maybe that was the problem. 645 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 2: You guys should have had kids, because they don't have kids. 646 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 2: Joe and so I don't have kids. I don't want to, regardless, 647 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 2: I wish some of the best. How do you feel 648 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 2: about what's going on with with Jonah and Sarah. I 649 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 2: know that she claims that Jonah Hill is a misogynist. 650 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: And how did you say that in Spanish? 651 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 2: No, missoni, no, nota It sounds like masoita, but that 652 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 2: would be a masacist. But this is the misogynist all 653 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 2: the land. People love to say that, by the way, anyways, 654 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 2: but a misogynist is a person who dislikes or despises 655 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 2: or strongly prejudiced against women. I mean, I think that's 656 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 2: like really hard words. You know what she was calling Jonah, 657 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 2: where again, she's just showing what what Sarah, what his 658 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 2: ex girlfriend is trying to show is his text, and 659 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 2: his text is stayed. 660 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 1: That he has boundaries, so you know, he's. 661 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 2: Trying to establish the boundaries in his relationship with Sarah. 662 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 2: The fact that she would go publicly on her Instagram 663 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 2: and take a screenshot of it and put something that 664 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 2: was so personal between her and Jonah, which was a 665 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 2: boyfriend at the time, I found that really rude, disrespectful 666 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 2: and immature. 667 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 3: Definitely. 668 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,959 Speaker 1: I mean, you're young and way younger than me, but 669 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 1: how do you feel about that? 670 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 2: And to me, this has no words. I mean, I 671 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 2: can't just believe that somebody could do that, like that 672 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 2: should not even be allowed. 673 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 3: First of all, that's why I thought Jonah Hill was 674 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 3: in the right at first, because I saw her post 675 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 3: this and his text about the boundaries, and he was 676 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 3: being very quote unquote nice, a little bit passive aggressive 677 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 3: because that text, yeah, from Jonah to her, because he 678 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,719 Speaker 3: came off as, hey, these are my boundaries, but they 679 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 3: were kind of like, hey, these are my rules. 680 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm going to read one of the text 681 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 2: from Jonah plain and simple. If you need the following 682 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 2: surfing with men boundary less inappropriate friendships with men to model, 683 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 2: to post pictures of yourself in a bathing suit, to 684 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 2: post sexual pictures, friendships with women who are in stable 685 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 2: places from your wild's recent past, beyond getting lunch or 686 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 2: coffee or something respectful. 687 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: I am not the partner for you. 688 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 2: If these things bring you to a place of happiness, 689 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 2: I support it and there will be no hard feelings. 690 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 2: These are my boundaries for romantic partnership, my boundaries with 691 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 2: you based on the ways these actions have hurt our trust. 692 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 3: Okay. 693 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 2: So, first of all, I think that she's misusing the 694 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 2: term boundaries. As a matter of fact, I feel like 695 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 2: nowadays in social media, a lot of people are just 696 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 2: misusing terms like gas lighting, like I tell you something 697 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 2: you don't like, Oh, you're gaslighting me. 698 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: I mean even in my friend group. 699 00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 2: By the way, I feel like all these girls are 700 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 2: alway is like, you know, inappropriately using the terms. So 701 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 2: I mean, boundaries I think are very important in any 702 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 2: kind of relationship. You know, whether it's husband and why 703 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 2: for like family, you know the family dynamics. I mean, 704 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 2: there's boundaries, and there's reasons why there's boundaries, right, Boundaries 705 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 2: and a relationship are kind of like this. They help 706 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 2: each person figure out where one person ends and the 707 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 2: other begins. In short, boundaries help you define what you're 708 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 2: comfortable with and how you would. 709 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: Like to be treated by others. 710 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 2: It's definitely a conversation that I think all couples and 711 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 2: all mature couples have. But boundaries are really not used 712 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 2: to tell the people what they can and they cannot do, 713 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 2: because then that would be controlling, Like you can't tell 714 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 2: the person you can't do this and you can't do that, 715 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 2: because that could be a little bit like manipulative and controlling. 716 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 2: That's right, But I feel like he was very clear 717 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 2: in telling her, Listen, I'm not the guy for you, Like, 718 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 2: if you want to do all these things, then I 719 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 2: can't be in a romantic relationship with you, right, I mean, 720 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 2: obviously she was already a surfer, and I guess if 721 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 2: you look at her Instagram, she already took bikini pictures 722 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 2: and surfing. And you know, I think the biggest problem 723 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 2: here is that if you already have those predisposed things 724 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 2: in your head, you should not be dating that, Like, 725 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like if I don't want to, 726 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,360 Speaker 2: you know, I feel like before you get into that relationship. 727 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 3: You should already have an idea of what to expect. 728 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 3: What you're getting into can change someone. So if you 729 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 3: see what she's doing this and that upsta, don't date 730 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 3: her or deal with it and talk about it. But 731 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,800 Speaker 3: I mean, just for seeing Jonah Hill, no offense, Jonahill, 732 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 3: but you seem very insecure the way you act and 733 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 3: all these things about the go to the beach with her, 734 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 3: serve with her. It's not the end of the world. 735 00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 3: So I think he's in security and his boundaries. He 736 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 3: really just wants to control her. 737 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,880 Speaker 2: Okay, So you do have to make a lot of 738 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 2: sense what you're saying. Okay, and I'm glad that you're 739 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,240 Speaker 2: saying something like that, right, because I'm more old school, 740 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 2: I'm more traditional, and I'm a little bit more mature obviously, 741 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 2: so with my relationships. I mean there's ways of course 742 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 2: saying things right, and I think like writing them down 743 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,359 Speaker 2: like a to do list, you know. I think that 744 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 2: that's really like immature too and controlling and it could. 745 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 1: Come across wrong. 746 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,760 Speaker 2: But it really bothered me that she goes on social 747 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,840 Speaker 2: media to share this. So to me, a relationship is sacred. 748 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 2: It's between you and me, it's like between two people, 749 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 2: so like to say that publicly like that, to post 750 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 2: something like that, no. 751 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,439 Speaker 3: One did you know who she was before she posted it? No, Well, 752 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,759 Speaker 3: neither did anyone else, and that's why she did it. 753 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 1: Right. 754 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 2: Well, I think that that's the problem here too, right, 755 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,239 Speaker 2: that he is the well known and you know, and 756 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 2: the actor and the celebrity there, and then she just 757 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 2: happened to be his girlfriend. And this is what she wants. 758 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 2: She started getting all this attention when she started dating him, 759 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 2: and now she she wants to take it to another 760 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 2: level and by doing something like that. But you see, 761 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 2: this is where I have a problem, like if you 762 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 2: have this kind of a problem, like, don't try to 763 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 2: make him look bad, don't try to make yourself look 764 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 2: good by making him look bad. 765 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 1: You know. 766 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 2: And I think a lot of women are really taking 767 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 2: advantage of like the woman's empowering thing nowadays. 768 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 1: And let me too, this whole movement, and let me 769 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:25,440 Speaker 1: tell you something. 770 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 2: I'm like super like, you know, women, I'm all about 771 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 2: women and empowering women and all that, But you know, 772 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 2: I think that a lot of these women are really 773 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 2: taking it to a different like level, like why do 774 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 2: you have to do that? 775 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,279 Speaker 1: Why do you have to put that and then make 776 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:42,240 Speaker 1: him look bad? 777 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 2: No, you're immature and you're stupid, and you're handling just 778 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,799 Speaker 2: really wrong. And it's really unfair to him because you know, 779 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,080 Speaker 2: he has a career. You know, you're trying to picture 780 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,839 Speaker 2: him in a way. Yeah, you're trying to picture him 781 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 2: in a way like he's abusive and manipulative and he's 782 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 2: affecting your mental health? 783 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? This text is affecting your mental health? 784 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:07,360 Speaker 2: Omal I mean, how could you how can you take advantage? 785 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 1: And then the society is like okay with. 786 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,240 Speaker 3: This, Yeah, so they take her side. 787 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, because she's a woman, right, and oh my god, 788 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 2: you should like that should be a flag. 789 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 1: That's such a red flag, like you need to run 790 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 1: from a guy like this, Really you need to run. 791 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,279 Speaker 2: No, my love, You're going to be many situations like 792 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:24,880 Speaker 2: this where you learn, you need to learn how to 793 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,319 Speaker 2: communicate and you know, and I think that he was 794 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 2: the mature one telling her, listen, I'm not the guy 795 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,239 Speaker 2: for you. I support you in every way, but I'm 796 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 2: just not don't want to be in a romantic relationship 797 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 2: with somebody that. 798 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 1: Can make me happy because you know what, you know 799 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,800 Speaker 1: what happens, Peter Kenna. 800 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,479 Speaker 2: Pili konga, because all these things are going to hurt 801 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:48,799 Speaker 2: and and you know, and disrespect the relationship. So he's 802 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,520 Speaker 2: being honest and he's like, listen, if you you know 803 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,960 Speaker 2: this is what I need, If you can give that 804 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:54,880 Speaker 2: for me, then good. 805 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 1: Luck with with your life. And that's it. We're good. 806 00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:58,000 Speaker 1: You know. 807 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 2: I didn't see it in any negative way, but she 808 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 2: decided to turn it into Oh, I needed to talk 809 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 2: about this because it was affecting my mental health. All 810 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,880 Speaker 2: these terms that they're using today, there's real mental people 811 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 2: with real mental health issues. I don't have mental health 812 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 2: issues exactly. So everybody's different. But what I'm trying to 813 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 2: say is that I think a lot of people are 814 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 2: using you know, these terms you know about mental health, 815 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,880 Speaker 2: and mental health is a serious thing, and you're going 816 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 2: to tell me what badass excuse, like, oh, I had 817 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,880 Speaker 2: to do it, I had to have to share with 818 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 2: the entire world, you know the boundaries you told me 819 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,759 Speaker 2: because it was affecting my mental health in a negative way. 820 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,240 Speaker 1: No, you're the negative one. 821 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 2: You're trying to make him look bad and look like 822 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:46,280 Speaker 2: a negative person when it's really you. So my question 823 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,279 Speaker 2: to you is like, how would you have responded or 824 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,480 Speaker 2: reacted if you had a partner that was making you 825 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 2: do the same or similar demands as Jonah Hill. So like, 826 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,359 Speaker 2: let's say you're dating a girl and then she would 827 00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:58,840 Speaker 2: tell you like, in order for you to have a 828 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 2: romantic relationship with me, you can't. 829 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:05,400 Speaker 3: Do a B and C and X Y Z Oh 830 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,040 Speaker 3: definitely since always. 831 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,319 Speaker 1: You've had a lot of those women that I told 832 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 1: you that. 833 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:15,960 Speaker 3: Of course, Mama, Well, first you need to follow why 834 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,799 Speaker 3: do you only follow girls? Hey? Do you know this one? 835 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,759 Speaker 3: You know this? They go through every single thing. 836 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:23,479 Speaker 1: Well, because it kind of says a lot about you. 837 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 3: I know, but like this is this is years of 838 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,880 Speaker 3: like Instagram and this, and I want something that's really 839 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,440 Speaker 3: serious then and like sense of like respect. 840 00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,719 Speaker 1: Well that's timing. That's a good point too, then, yes, 841 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:38,080 Speaker 1: and that's. 842 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,239 Speaker 2: I think that Jonah and Sarah were only dating for 843 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 2: a year, But I think that after a year, I 844 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 2: think it's enough time, right where you can tell your partner, like, 845 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:45,640 Speaker 2: you know what. 846 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 1: I don't like that you post these pictures. 847 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 2: I don't like I think that's a fair amount of 848 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,360 Speaker 2: time because in the beginning you sound like a cycle. 849 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:52,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, like you don't even. 850 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,479 Speaker 2: Know the person you're right, But I think like after 851 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 2: a year there should be like this mutual respect, right 852 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,719 Speaker 2: and communication where you can tell your part listen. You know, 853 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,360 Speaker 2: I know you do this, but like it bothers me 854 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,640 Speaker 2: a little bit. Now we're in a relationship, and you know, 855 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,920 Speaker 2: I feel kind of uncomfortable that you're doing this, and 856 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 2: I know you're like, you know, going out with other guys, 857 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,000 Speaker 2: because I mean, when you're like happily in love with somebody, 858 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:15,760 Speaker 2: you don't have to be going out with other guys 859 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,840 Speaker 2: or doing other stuff. I think that there's like, you know, 860 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,359 Speaker 2: there should be mutual respect. Again, I'm like, what's good 861 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,040 Speaker 2: for the geese is good for the gander. I'm not 862 00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:24,960 Speaker 2: saying the man could do it to the woman and 863 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,360 Speaker 2: the woman. I think it's a fair thing. It doesn't 864 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:28,440 Speaker 2: matter what your sex is. 865 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:29,000 Speaker 3: It is. 866 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:30,040 Speaker 1: But what would you do? 867 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 2: You would break up with the girl too? No, you 868 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,040 Speaker 2: would say you were trying to talk to them. It 869 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:33,960 Speaker 2: depends on how much. 870 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, we would talk to them, Like, you're right, I 871 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:37,640 Speaker 3: don't know any. 872 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:41,400 Speaker 1: Of these girls. No, you don't know any of those. 873 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,399 Speaker 3: They just happen to be there. I follow them, let 874 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,160 Speaker 3: me go through, you know, follow all of them. 875 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:48,680 Speaker 1: You would make changes. 876 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't mean anything to me. Do I care 877 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:55,440 Speaker 3: who I follow? Do I know this? No? Follow and 878 00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,960 Speaker 3: follow them, follow them all if I have to. 879 00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 2: That's what makes you If you were like a model, 880 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,920 Speaker 2: and you would you know, post like pictures for models. 881 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:08,240 Speaker 3: Different your career, your career. That's for example, Sidney Prauto, 882 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:10,759 Speaker 3: she's your girlfriend, what are you gonna tell her? Hey, 883 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,360 Speaker 3: I don't like those bikini pictures? 884 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,319 Speaker 1: So would you go out with somebody like her? Like, 885 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:15,080 Speaker 1: that's the question. 886 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,480 Speaker 3: I've had that conversation where you know, you date someone 887 00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:22,160 Speaker 3: that's not used to this whole entertainment lifestyle social media, 888 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:26,800 Speaker 3: so they're just they see it as something bad there. 889 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:31,440 Speaker 3: They see it a completely different way than than we do. So, 890 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,400 Speaker 3: you know, let's say I we're to date a girl 891 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,840 Speaker 3: with two hundred thousand followers and she does Fashionova and 892 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,960 Speaker 3: Celsius and all these things. She makes her money, she 893 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,799 Speaker 3: has all her little platforms. I gonna hate on her 894 00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,439 Speaker 3: for having all that in bikini, you know what, that's 895 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,239 Speaker 3: what she does. She's not doing it for She's not 896 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 3: just doing it for that. 897 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:51,640 Speaker 1: That's her job. 898 00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,440 Speaker 3: That's her job if she's an a. 899 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:54,680 Speaker 1: But you would be okay with it. 900 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,760 Speaker 3: I would be okay with it, and I will support 901 00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,160 Speaker 3: it one hundred percent. But now if you're just you know, 902 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,880 Speaker 3: Jane from down the street and you want to post 903 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,040 Speaker 3: your ass to get forty seven likes, that's a whole 904 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,719 Speaker 3: different story and I'm not okay with that. 905 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,520 Speaker 2: Again, well, I think that that's why it's very important 906 00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,959 Speaker 2: for anybody that's entering a relationship. 907 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,920 Speaker 1: And I didn't realize it when I was younger. 908 00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:20,600 Speaker 2: That was some other advice actually that my mom, you know, 909 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:21,560 Speaker 2: and dad would give me. 910 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,399 Speaker 1: You know, when you're young and you're just dating. 911 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,040 Speaker 2: Obviously at seventeen and eighteen, it's like usually the man 912 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:27,719 Speaker 2: you're going to marry or have a family with. But 913 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,760 Speaker 2: once you're like in a certain time in your life 914 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,080 Speaker 2: and that you know, a certain stage in your life, 915 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,040 Speaker 2: you should be dating the kind of person that's who 916 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,000 Speaker 2: you want to have a family and a life with. 917 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,279 Speaker 2: So you're not going to be wasting your time with that. 918 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,600 Speaker 2: So if that's I mean, I'm not in Jonah's head 919 00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,520 Speaker 2: or heart right now. So I don't know if he 920 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,960 Speaker 2: was looking for like a serious commitment, you know, to 921 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,279 Speaker 2: have a family and get married. But if he was, 922 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,320 Speaker 2: then you know he figured out it wasn't going to 923 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,239 Speaker 2: be her. But you shouldn't be looking for that. 924 00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:57,080 Speaker 3: It depends what you know, point you are in your 925 00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,520 Speaker 3: life and whether you're trying to settle down, whether you 926 00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,759 Speaker 3: just got to out of something seriously, you just want 927 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,960 Speaker 3: to enjoy it, so you know right now. For example, 928 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,200 Speaker 3: for me, whoever I end up dating, it's long term 929 00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,120 Speaker 3: and I have to see them, and. 930 00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:13,839 Speaker 2: You're going to look at their Instagram and please share 931 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,480 Speaker 2: it with me so I can stop their Instagram obviously, 932 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,160 Speaker 2: because you know there's no time to waste. 933 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:28,319 Speaker 3: I what on me? 934 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,080 Speaker 2: It's been a pleasant It's been so much fun that 935 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,759 Speaker 2: we talk, apion. Did you like the experience? Did I 936 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,440 Speaker 2: let you talk because I know I can talk a 937 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:37,320 Speaker 2: lot of Yeah. 938 00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,080 Speaker 3: You go off. But one day I'll have my own 939 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,279 Speaker 3: podcasts and I'll be your guests and you'll probably talk 940 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:43,440 Speaker 3: it off the same way. 941 00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,280 Speaker 1: Okay, what It has been a lot of fun. 942 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:47,799 Speaker 3: Yes, thank you for having me. 943 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:49,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's my pleasure. 944 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:55,439 Speaker 2: Take you okay, like we love you guys too. 945 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,720 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. It's been a lot of fun. 946 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:00,160 Speaker 1: I hope you enjoy. 947 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,000 Speaker 3: I put forward. 948 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:05,320 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. 949 00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:09,799 Speaker 2: Follow us on Instagram at iPort forward podcast. 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