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Speaker 1: The as the Big Boys guy said Hanging with the
Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys Break, Brian Broadus, Mickey Spagnola, Nate Newton, and
Speaker 1: David Hellman. Gentleman, Welcome, welcome, welcome, Hey. I want to
Speaker 1: get into this thing off and running. Mickey, I know
Speaker 1: you were out on the field, actually I was out
Speaker 1: in the hallway. Out in the hallway. Did you see
Speaker 1: anything that you liked on the field. I know it's
Speaker 1: kind of been an hour practice. It's ones, first ones.
Speaker 1: It's really not getting ready for anybody but anything out there.
Speaker 1: Shawn Lee. So good to see Sean Lee back out there.
Speaker 1: So the work he did yesterday was somewhat like he's
Speaker 1: been doing. He's out there for the stretch, the drills
Speaker 1: that they're doing, you know, throwing the football to the linebackers,
Speaker 1: acting like they're intercepting the ball, which we haven't seen it,
Speaker 1: which is a good thing. Yeah, we haven't seen that
Speaker 1: our hands on it. Yeah, So yeah, he's back out there.
Speaker 1: You know, Hitchens didn't look like he was any worse
Speaker 1: for the wear after playing his first game in about
Speaker 1: six seven weeks. David Irving back out there, said yesterday
Speaker 1: he was a little sore, which is understandable. Did not
Speaker 1: see Tyrn Smith out there, so it looks like they're
Speaker 1: giving him the week or week off. Yeah, just go
Speaker 1: get that backward as right as you can. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: other than that, it was just kind of a look
Speaker 1: like a normal day out there, same as yesterday. And
Speaker 1: this is Walter o'kin cry yes reporting live like a
Speaker 1: cigarette some cigarette smoke going in the background. If you're
Speaker 1: gonna do that, David yesterday though, we uh, some guys
Speaker 1: you just got done from the press conference. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: we talked about yesterday on our show. We talked about
Speaker 1: Nolan Carroll no longer part of the organization. Justin March
Speaker 1: Lillard scouting report on Dallas Cowboys dot com. If you
Speaker 1: care to see what the linebacker from the Chiefs, Dolphins
Speaker 1: and Seahawks, what kind of work he had on film?
Speaker 1: His name again brought us Justin March Lillard that he
Speaker 1: play enough to have some work on film. He did
Speaker 1: have enough. He was on film, So watched the preseason
Speaker 1: from Kansas City this year. He actually special teams work
Speaker 1: with Seattle this year against Anneapolis Colts. I want to
Speaker 1: say it's week four, so he has He's not one
Speaker 1: of those guys that's been on the couch. He's he's
Speaker 1: been a guy that's has has participated. I think the
Speaker 1: thing that you'll probably be a little concerned about is
Speaker 1: he's not the most consistent tackler. Hmm. That's what he
Speaker 1: can run, and that's not what the special teams needs either. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he can run and he can get to where he
Speaker 1: needs to be. He doesn't overrun plays all my reports
Speaker 1: there on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. But I don't know
Speaker 1: if he's the most consistent tackler. Let's see, we should
Speaker 1: have kept what is Nasacha that that you know he
Speaker 1: got signed off to practice squad? Yeah, signed away. This
Speaker 1: would have been a spot you're looking. You're looking at
Speaker 1: this guy mainly as a special teamer though I'm looking
Speaker 1: as a special team and a backup guy right now.
Speaker 1: Can he stand up up up top of where the
Speaker 1: gunners are and hold up all somebody? That's what Mickey loves.
Speaker 1: Mickey wants somebody that could just jam a gunner into
Speaker 1: the bench and he's right. Or how about just give
Speaker 1: the punt returner five yards of space? That would be
Speaker 1: even better. I'm not asking for a lot. Hey, thank
Speaker 1: you for that segue because it broke down the special
Speaker 1: teams today on that you know, and one of my
Speaker 1: areas that need to improve is the hunt return and
Speaker 1: I appreciate your insight on that. They need to get
Speaker 1: Ryan Switcher going. I know he fumbled the ball, but
Speaker 1: they need to get that going. But Lillard, Marshall, Lillard,
Speaker 1: backup guy, special teams guy. The tackling, you know, might
Speaker 1: be a little hit and miss there, so well, we'll
Speaker 1: keep an eye on that. Another player that coach mentioned today,
Speaker 1: we didn't report it as official, but we can report
Speaker 1: it as official today with Stephen Paya no longer on
Speaker 1: the roster. Tie the knee just too much, Nate, That
Speaker 1: to me, that's a loss. That's a big loss because
Speaker 1: he didn't mind eating up blocks. He made it easier
Speaker 1: for a three technique. He makes it easier just the
Speaker 1: middle of the defense. You know. Wow, I just that's
Speaker 1: to me, that's a big loss. And who will replace
Speaker 1: him with? Yeah, that's what I want to get into.
Speaker 1: I mean, did you see enough Mickey of Lewis Neal
Speaker 1: and training camp to get a good field that Maybe
Speaker 1: I know he's a six foot defensive tackle, but did
Speaker 1: you get enough feel of him to to be that
Speaker 1: guy that, Yeah, let's give this cat a chance. Let
Speaker 1: him roll. I was six, yeah, yeah, sixty six, sixty yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got enough beef, sixty six sunset. Yeah yeah, give
Speaker 1: him a chance. I had him on my fifty three
Speaker 1: man rob, give him a chance. I thought he was
Speaker 1: gonna make it, okay. I liked what he did in
Speaker 1: training camp, liked what he did in the preseason games,
Speaker 1: and uh, it sounded like from what Jason Garrett said
Speaker 1: when we walked off that it might likely come down
Speaker 1: to either him or ash Ash. Richard Richard Ash. We
Speaker 1: saw him number ninety two, seventy six, seventy six bank Okay, okay, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: because I'm a numbers guy. When he comes to young
Speaker 1: guys ashes, the other guy that me you talked about
Speaker 1: doing the ashes, the only other big body detail, Yeah,
Speaker 1: number seventy six, Okay, yeah, okay, Now I'm with you.
Speaker 1: You like it what he's saying about about young Neil. Hey,
Speaker 1: I would love for Lewis Neil to be on this
Speaker 1: fifty three. He I want pass rush. That's honestly what
Speaker 1: I loved about Stephen Pie. I know Nate's right that
Speaker 1: he could eat up blocks, but I really thought Stephen
Speaker 1: Pie was going to have a great year with how
Speaker 1: well he gets into the backfield. And if you want
Speaker 1: a guy that, if you want a guy that can
Speaker 1: do that, Lewis Neel's your guy, I think. But I
Speaker 1: do wonder about Richard ashe because this front is so
Speaker 1: small and they've struggled against the run. Maybe you just
Speaker 1: want to have the old My favorite, one of my
Speaker 1: favorite Brian broad Us sayings, the trash can full of dirt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe you just want a guy that you can't move.
Speaker 1: So I don't know that's an interesting choice. Um not
Speaker 1: in this case? Uh what to heal? Yeah, you're good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you got the skins on the wall. You can go
Speaker 1: with it. Because the Cowboys are not a good enough
Speaker 1: team to to how to play a balance offense, they
Speaker 1: have to dictate one or the other. You either gonna
Speaker 1: run them to death are you gonna pass them to death?
Speaker 1: But if you do them both, they have no chance.
Speaker 1: We was successful no one hundred yard rushes and we're
Speaker 1: not only giving them a hundred yard rushes now, we're
Speaker 1: giving them up to a tune of over one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty yards a game that cannot happen to this
Speaker 1: young defense and inexperienced defense like it is. You know,
Speaker 1: so we got to stop to rush. So if the
Speaker 1: other guy ash gives us a chance to stop to
Speaker 1: run as much as I want, mister Neil, if he's
Speaker 1: a run stopper, go with the run stopper. My colleague here,
Speaker 1: though he thinks he was on he had Neil and
Speaker 1: his fifty three. I did it too, Yeah I did
Speaker 1: it too. But so obviously you feel like though he
Speaker 1: can't play the run and give you something in the past.
Speaker 1: Are you're thinking that way, Mick? Yeah, But here's the deal.
Speaker 1: Whoever comes in is probably a rotation guy, right right,
Speaker 1: because I mean, you're gonna leave David Irving in the
Speaker 1: middle there, I would leave David Irvan in the middle.
Speaker 1: You want to move him to the three technique Nick
Speaker 1: Collins as the one. Nah, you don't do that. What
Speaker 1: you do is you David? Yeah? Davers is a specialist. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's see get this team does not stand a chance
Speaker 1: if they don't ever stop to run. I'm with you. Oh,
Speaker 1: he's he's he's trust me. I do a show with
Speaker 1: him every days. He's on that if if they if
Speaker 1: we're gonna put a guy that's in the middle, he's
Speaker 1: got to eat up bodies. He's got to make sure
Speaker 1: that Sean Lee and Hitches is free because it would
Speaker 1: do no good if I if I'm a guard and
Speaker 1: you let me leak up on with Sean Lee and Hitches. No.
Speaker 1: Is that what the linebackers are struggling? I think it's
Speaker 1: part of it, for sure. Well, part of it's also
Speaker 1: that Shaun Lee hasn't been playing and John I'm just
Speaker 1: taking I'm taking the approach that the the the leakage,
Speaker 1: the second level block in or the lack of taking
Speaker 1: up blocks is killing these linebacks. That's letting the linebackers
Speaker 1: off the hook a little bit, in my opinion. But
Speaker 1: I certainly think that could help. And that's honestly. I
Speaker 1: think a guy like Richard Ashe probably helps these guys
Speaker 1: more than than a guy like Lewis Neil. And that
Speaker 1: pains me to say, because I like Lewis Neil a lot.
Speaker 1: I think we put him on all Man. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: so David Irving sitting No no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying David, he'd be that one technique to
Speaker 1: eat up space. David Irving is to me as a specialist,
Speaker 1: all right, and what are you gonna do with But
Speaker 1: what I mean by that is any any inkling of
Speaker 1: a past rush situation, even and even second and second
Speaker 1: and five or more, Okay, any time it's up, any
Speaker 1: time it's a past situation. Now, I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: David Irving can't stop to run. I just haven't seen it.
Speaker 1: But what we need is if he can stop run,
Speaker 1: put him in there. Because I promise you you talk
Speaker 1: to Lee, I'll let you talk to Ron Marinelli. They're saying, man,
Speaker 1: we need somebody because if the only person Sean Lee
Speaker 1: can get around blocks, he can find a way to
Speaker 1: maneuver to get tackles, same way with hittings. He's smiling,
Speaker 1: But Jalen has not been that guy being a physical limitation.
Speaker 1: Our guys leaking on on him. He's not been that
Speaker 1: guy and we all know why. But here, you want
Speaker 1: things to be clean. If things are clean, shun of
Speaker 1: Lee is hitting people in the backfield off game, Yeah don't.
Speaker 1: I'm with you. He's trying to figure us out. How
Speaker 1: do I how do I maximize what I get out
Speaker 1: of David Irving easy, he's a specialist to me, David,
Speaker 1: to me, now you've said that short time. He's a specialist.
Speaker 1: I mean, but you don't seem as a starter. We okay,
Speaker 1: all of these guys. The only person that ain't a rotation,
Speaker 1: he's only two guys that are not rotation guys. That's
Speaker 1: Lawrence and that's my leak. Everybody else is rolling. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a fair. That's how I look at you know,
Speaker 1: David Irvin is. But now when it becomes a pass
Speaker 1: rush or we think it's gonna be a past situation.
Speaker 1: Of course, I want David Irvin in there, but first
Speaker 1: down and maybe second and third or second in where
Speaker 1: it can be a run. You need guys to be
Speaker 1: that can stop the run. Because this kid hit us
Speaker 1: last week for nineteen carress for twenty five yards. He
Speaker 1: was averaging a godly over five yards of carross. Sure
Speaker 1: that that we we can't dictate where our safety goal.
Speaker 1: Let's let's think about this though. I am curious about
Speaker 1: this because all right, let's say that Louis Neil does
Speaker 1: get the call up. How are you deploying this defensive line.
Speaker 1: That's what Mickey was just trying to Yeah, and I'm
Speaker 1: I'm I'm curious. I want to I'm thinking, why would you, Okay,
Speaker 1: give us your starting four? Who give us your starting
Speaker 1: I want David Irving on the field. I don't disagree.
Speaker 1: I don't. The only look who had tackles for losses David.
Speaker 1: David Irving had a couple, okay, which sacks too. So
Speaker 1: I'm I'm playing Irving, and I'm playing David and Kin
Speaker 1: and Malik at at defensive tackle, playing DeMarcus Lawrence at
Speaker 1: left end, right, yes, my right end. I don't that's
Speaker 1: still that's still the issue. It's an all comers meeting. Well,
Speaker 1: and I'm saying Tyrone Crawford to start, I'm well, what
Speaker 1: I'm saying it doesn't matter. In what I understand that
Speaker 1: I've got over time is it doesn't matter who starts,
Speaker 1: it's who's in the rotation. Let me ask you this, guys,
Speaker 1: would you consider playing David Irvin to right end? I
Speaker 1: would play David Irvin anywhere on a yes, I was
Speaker 1: playing him anywhere. I don't, but I want to see it.
Speaker 1: I mean, we've always seen him have the west side.
Speaker 1: If you think what they've done with Crawford over there,
Speaker 1: they've decided and Marinelli said it, but we don't have
Speaker 1: anybody that seems to have the quickness to beat these
Speaker 1: athletic left tackles. So I'm going with power. Well, if
Speaker 1: he wants power, I understand Crawford. But power squared is
Speaker 1: David Irving. Now does he have the discipline to play
Speaker 1: that edge and hold down the edge in the running game?
Speaker 1: Well that part ain't. Nobody had the power, honest, nobody
Speaker 1: or the discipline edge down. Yeah, I don't love the
Speaker 1: way that sounds. I'd playing him at right in. I
Speaker 1: would try it, but I don't love the way that sounds.
Speaker 1: But and so really, the reason I'm asking this in
Speaker 1: the first place is because I'm trying to find a
Speaker 1: way to play Lewis Neil in this scenario where we
Speaker 1: all love Will. I think we all love I think
Speaker 1: we all love Lewis Neil more than Ash. Well, what
Speaker 1: situation are you putting him on the field in? Well,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Here's what they've been doing
Speaker 1: the same when the other team. When the other team
Speaker 1: gets the ball first and ten at their own ten
Speaker 1: yard line, the backup lineman go in. Yeah, Lewis Neil
Speaker 1: goes in. Let me say this right here, the same
Speaker 1: way the fine time to put in, mister Charlton, give
Speaker 1: him ten plays, give him five plays in the little
Speaker 1: little bitterness better. Oh yeah, I got a lot of
Speaker 1: bitterness a little better than me. Yeah, you're saying, if
Speaker 1: he was playing better at right in, we wouldn't be
Speaker 1: having this discussion about the right in. Well, I'm not
Speaker 1: just blaming him, because it's been pretty consistent that they
Speaker 1: have an issue. Is this here? And I'm better because
Speaker 1: what I want, what I want more than anything, is
Speaker 1: for us to be able to stop something that gives
Speaker 1: our linebackers and I back in a chance to uh concentrate,
Speaker 1: you know, to be able to read the keys a
Speaker 1: little bit faster, to be able to see things a
Speaker 1: little bit quicker, if you can just dictate a little
Speaker 1: bit of what's happening. Uh. David Irvy, I got great
Speaker 1: respect for him, But one thing I gotta see starting
Speaker 1: this week is, I saw what you did against Green Bay?
Speaker 1: Can you do it again? Can you do it again? That?
Speaker 1: That is? And can you do it? That is the
Speaker 1: biggest and even even the even the defensive coordinator will
Speaker 1: tell you that, Yeah, nice game. Yea, yeah, that's been
Speaker 1: his If you were a Green Jersey, he plays like
Speaker 1: an all pro. He should just play whoever whoever's playing
Speaker 1: Green Bay should sign him for that week. Now, the
Speaker 1: Viking's got some pretty good defensive lineman. They might not
Speaker 1: get him this week. Yeah, it's the Cowboys need him,
Speaker 1: even if he's not always is that good? So we
Speaker 1: but we like we like Richard ashe though if that
Speaker 1: was the addition, I mean, does it does it make
Speaker 1: you feel any better? I mean, but does but to
Speaker 1: sign it? But putting on Neil make you feel better?
Speaker 1: For what they're trying to do. I would rather have
Speaker 1: the potential for more sacks and behind the tackle for
Speaker 1: losses and stuff like that, and more stops behind the
Speaker 1: line of scram and somebody's gonna hold up blocks. But
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you, now, Okay, expect Hey, if
Speaker 1: Sean Lee's out there, he's gonna get the job done
Speaker 1: regardless of how well they're holding up blocks. In my opinion, See,
Speaker 1: to go back to about to lose his mind is
Speaker 1: one thing you are, one thing you learned about me.
Speaker 1: I respect everybody opining on me. Laugh, I mean couple
Speaker 1: of my eyes. But over time it is proven that
Speaker 1: don't matter how great your linebackers all right, in a
Speaker 1: four to three, not a three four, but a four
Speaker 1: to three, you're gonna need for your down lineman to
Speaker 1: be playing on the other side of that field because
Speaker 1: if they're not, people are gonna start leaking off and
Speaker 1: chipping you and hitting you, and over time it will
Speaker 1: wear you down. See. And one thing I've known is
Speaker 1: I've seen offensive linemen on linebackers more than I'm used
Speaker 1: to seeing. Yeah, yeah, that's that's that. Seems like they're
Speaker 1: getting free scrimmage and all of a sudden they're on
Speaker 1: the linebackers. Yeah, and not one, but sometimes two. That happened.
Speaker 1: Sean Lee is smart enough where to go high. Well,
Speaker 1: he's gonna he's gonna hit you with a shoulder's gonna
Speaker 1: get up under your gee yourself leverage. But over time
Speaker 1: and see, now, maybe we're looking at if we can
Speaker 1: get fifty five plays like we got from Green Bay.
Speaker 1: I was a nominally last week. We just played a great,
Speaker 1: great player. But if you can get fifty five plays
Speaker 1: a game of no more than sixty, I don't care
Speaker 1: who you put up front, as long as they rushing
Speaker 1: the pass. On with him, rush the pass. But when
Speaker 1: you saw some a sixty sixty five seventy five, you're
Speaker 1: gonna get your linebreakers beat up. And that's again I
Speaker 1: prefer the guy that's gonna give me production in the backfield.
Speaker 1: But it totally makes sense why you might prefer Richard
Speaker 1: ash because he can do more to help that element
Speaker 1: of your defense, especially if he if he gets a
Speaker 1: little penetration. It still comes down to how how weird
Speaker 1: is it right now that we're having this conversation, we're
Speaker 1: worried about the run. We're really not worried about their
Speaker 1: ability to get to the passer like they're not. No, no,
Speaker 1: the the whole narrative was about who where's the pass
Speaker 1: rush gone from it? That's not now Mickey his six
Speaker 1: Mickey has hit the fire alarm and it's run defense
Speaker 1: and he's no, I'm just trying on our show. Micky
Speaker 1: Mickey said, Hey, whoa, whoa, whoa Wait a minute. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and here's here's my puzzling thing about Richard ash What
Speaker 1: has he done? None of them? I mean and Treni
Speaker 1: Camp did he ever He's a big guy, he's a
Speaker 1: big guy, but did he ever make an impression? See,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. You put you put the other
Speaker 1: guy on your fifty three because he did. Think we'll see.
Speaker 1: And that goes back to the crux of this whole thing,
Speaker 1: because I would argue Richard ashe did do something which
Speaker 1: is take up space and eat blocks. That's not sexy.
Speaker 1: It doesn't look good. That's why Lewis Neil flashes at
Speaker 1: you because he gets in the backfield and hits somebody.
Speaker 1: Thinking that Richard ashe does is just not very appealing,
Speaker 1: but it's useful. Yeah, that's right here, you know, if
Speaker 1: we was to go to Rob marion ETI any defensive guys.
Speaker 1: The first thing you asked him, Sam, what do we
Speaker 1: have to do to help this defense? But what is
Speaker 1: the thing that you're telling your defense we gotta do first?
Speaker 1: And I think five out of out of six gonna say, man,
Speaker 1: we gotta stop this run. Yeah, you know, and so
Speaker 1: you it's a lot of ways stop run by penetration,
Speaker 1: you know, if Neil can get back there and you know,
Speaker 1: and make the it's all about making a bat read direct.
Speaker 1: I hesitate talking about we're not ling that guy trying
Speaker 1: to help this rundy. Yeah, well, David Irving's there, No, no,
Speaker 1: I know, but I'm just saying, guy, it's come to
Speaker 1: the point where you're like, you know, but David, maybe
Speaker 1: come down to ash or is a starter deal, but
Speaker 1: you still gonna need some help, you know, I understand. No, no, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, but for a starter, Irving's got to be
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you there. All right, we're gonna
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Speaker 1: twenty one O two. Be nice to executive producer Kent
Speaker 1: Garrison if you're calling in. But we will if we
Speaker 1: can get some calls later on. But right now, I
Speaker 1: want to get into a little Cowboys fill in the
Speaker 1: blank with my guys, and I'll ask somebody a question
Speaker 1: and then afterwards everybody else can have a shot at it.
Speaker 1: And Mickey, I'll start with you since you're like me,
Speaker 1: you're the older gentleman of the group. Jerry Jones, nicky,
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones is pleased with blank about his team. I
Speaker 1: would say he's pleased that he sees some young guys
Speaker 1: on the come that they they were relying on. Some
Speaker 1: of these guys, they may not be there yet, but
Speaker 1: I think he sees a future in some of these dbs.
Speaker 1: I think he sees a future in some of his
Speaker 1: young defensive lineman. And I think, you know, from an
Speaker 1: offensive standpoint, you know, he's got to be a static
Speaker 1: with how the quarterbacks this team on his back. Dave Hellman,
Speaker 1: he thought there on that same question. Yeah, just go
Speaker 1: for it, just if you want to give a quick answer.
Speaker 1: Mick kind of threw it in there at the end.
Speaker 1: He's got to be very pleased with this quarterback right now,
Speaker 1: because if you think about it, we're not out of
Speaker 1: the woods. And the thought that you know, you parted
Speaker 1: ways with your statistical leader in most of your passing categories,
Speaker 1: put your trust than this fourth round kid. And he
Speaker 1: had a bad day in Denver, but man, if he
Speaker 1: hasn't been kicking butt for the last time, he looks
Speaker 1: absolutely capable of putting this team on his back if
Speaker 1: he might have to. He might have to. And and
Speaker 1: it's encouraging. Uh. Four out of the five weeks of
Speaker 1: the season he's played up to that level. He looks
Speaker 1: really good. LYO Collins has to be pleased with Loo
Speaker 1: Collins him playing at right tackle. Yeah, we got to
Speaker 1: be because out of all the guys, when I look
Speaker 1: at him, he has his moments, but it's been bad.
Speaker 1: He's more good than bad. Yes, sir, he got to
Speaker 1: be pleased with that because his officive line, I mean,
Speaker 1: has been not the consistent thing we saw last year.
Speaker 1: I got you then, I'm going to you with this one.
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett should be concerned with this blank area of
Speaker 1: his squad, his offensive line. Can I let you right
Speaker 1: into that one? Yeah? They can they play with consistency?
Speaker 1: Can they truly play with consistency? Mickey, I'll just stick
Speaker 1: with my run defense, Dave. Well, you guys covered two
Speaker 1: of the big ones. I'm about the about the safety play.
Speaker 1: Just overall, the back end play. It's already to this
Speaker 1: point in the season, it feels like we've seen more
Speaker 1: chunk plays than we saw for most of last year.
Speaker 1: Good cover guys and not good tackle guys. Chunk plays
Speaker 1: that turns into touchdown. Absolutely, that is killing us. You
Speaker 1: saw it in Denver. You saw it. Todd Gurley probably
Speaker 1: exposed it the best of all, Aaron Rodgers. I'm willing
Speaker 1: to give you a little more of a pass against
Speaker 1: one of the best to ever do it. But uh,
Speaker 1: these guys are still eating up yards. I'm reluctant to
Speaker 1: call most of them good cover guys at this point.
Speaker 1: I think they cover better than they tackle, though. Okay, Woods,
Speaker 1: So it's how much Jones? How much different is it
Speaker 1: than last year? Because Barry Church's contribution was close to
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage right eight, So that meant JJ
Speaker 1: Wilcox was back there with Byron Jones and and Jeff
Speaker 1: Heath was part of that, and um, well he's still
Speaker 1: part of it. Yeah, No, I know, different role though, well,
Speaker 1: still playing safety. I don't have this, but I don't
Speaker 1: have that's a different role that'll make that that uh
Speaker 1: playing more places, and that's that's I think that's what
Speaker 1: smith Is always said, like m Smith. You know when
Speaker 1: the guy took him at Smith plays and in US,
Speaker 1: you know, you know that people didn't get him and
Speaker 1: him and say there's one thing to running enough for
Speaker 1: fifteen plays and running another thing and running up for
Speaker 1: forty right, that's absolutely right. Yeah, So they were so
Speaker 1: perfect in the twenty five plays they have. We talked
Speaker 1: about it on the show. The twenty five plays for
Speaker 1: Will costs were like, we don't need to see him, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: might be that we've challenged with. Yeah, the fifteen or
Speaker 1: twenty plays for for heat. So we were like, man,
Speaker 1: we got it. This is you know, last last year's
Speaker 1: defense was great at limiting it to an eighteen or
Speaker 1: twenty yard game, and it seems like this year they've
Speaker 1: had their problems with that work plays you let the
Speaker 1: twenty yard game turned into a forty yard touchdown, etc.
Speaker 1: I got you, David. If Stephen Jones slash Will McClay
Speaker 1: could add a player at the trade deadline, he'd fill
Speaker 1: this blank position. Oh man, um, if they were going
Speaker 1: to make a trade right now, I would probably do
Speaker 1: it for an offensive lineman guard specifically. But you're gonna
Speaker 1: try and figure out you're gonna You've done enough with you,
Speaker 1: You're done with the Jazz Green. I'm just thinking or
Speaker 1: Iron Bell or Horror or a safety. I'll double down
Speaker 1: on my last answer, but you think about it. A
Speaker 1: Woozier playing safety now, if he can never get on
Speaker 1: the field, that would be And I guess that plays
Speaker 1: into my point though, which is what what is that
Speaker 1: big hole that you have on your team that that
Speaker 1: you can't fill already with the guys that are on
Speaker 1: your roster. And I'm not saying that this roster is
Speaker 1: perfect by any stretch of the imagination. But you present
Speaker 1: me with a problem. I have a way to deal
Speaker 1: with it. You know, linebacker has been bad. Sean Lee
Speaker 1: and Anthony Hitchins are coming back from injury. I hope
Speaker 1: that gets better. You can move Cheeto Woozier to safety.
Speaker 1: You can plug Xavier Wood, you can play Xavier Woods more. Um,
Speaker 1: you know what else am I? You know Bryce Butler
Speaker 1: if you're not happy with Terrence Williams, you can bump
Speaker 1: Bryce Butler or Noah Brown for that matter. Up the
Speaker 1: receiver depth chart. You've got running backs who can fill
Speaker 1: in for Zeke if you get suspended I have yet
Speaker 1: to feel great about left guard for a variety of reasons,
Speaker 1: and I don't think there's an answer on this team
Speaker 1: that'll make me feel a lot better, Nicky. Do think
Speaker 1: they've lost confidence in Chaz Green State, I don't know
Speaker 1: able to get out there and play. I don't know
Speaker 1: if they've lost confidence because Jonathan Cooper, I'm sorry, Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I think that they've lost I think you know, Nate,
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong, But spitting the bid on
Speaker 1: a Friday afternoon getting ready for game week. You know,
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald, we all understand what that was all about.
Speaker 1: But you know, you know what I'm saying, Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what I'm asking. Yeah, And if if you ask me
Speaker 1: that in confidence, yes, I do. I think that they.
Speaker 1: I think that they've lost confidence in him that to
Speaker 1: say that, hey, we're going to see in this matchup.
Speaker 1: We got you ready all week and you spit the
Speaker 1: bit and he probably got hurt. I'm not saying he
Speaker 1: didn't get hurt. He definitely got hurt. Yeah, But you know,
Speaker 1: but we've seen Lineman play through stuff. We've seen he
Speaker 1: was healthy enough to be active for that game exactly exactly?
Speaker 1: Can you can you so going on what the questions.
Speaker 1: Can you find somebody better than Byron Bell out there?
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. It might probably not. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: well that and that's you know, I'm reluctant to talk
Speaker 1: trades because ninety nine, Yeah, I said this on the break, Yes, right,
Speaker 1: I was just saying, if a way to go, get
Speaker 1: a guy that could help you. Right now, you're talking
Speaker 1: about in house guys. But maybe you can't find that
Speaker 1: in house guy. And you guys are saying left guard,
Speaker 1: and I don't disagree with you guys. Other I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the best answer I can come up with. Where
Speaker 1: there aren't any good options that are already on the team.
Speaker 1: They could. Let me just say this right quickly, like fellas,
Speaker 1: we were soul Christmas came so nice last year to
Speaker 1: have four name another offensive line that has four studs.
Speaker 1: We had four studs. What we have now is what
Speaker 1: the league norm. That's the league norm. R three good guys.
Speaker 1: We got really three great guy but three good guys.
Speaker 1: And the other two talked about wild Collins though, okay,
Speaker 1: lyle Collins is a stud. I mean he was one
Speaker 1: of the you know when they gave him Leary's job.
Speaker 1: You know, and then he got hurt. Leary got the
Speaker 1: job back. Uh, just thinking we just think we had
Speaker 1: Leary and Lyle out of the right this case. Now
Speaker 1: that now that begs my question here, would you consider
Speaker 1: playing Lyle Collins back inside and then trying to find
Speaker 1: no way? Now okay my right tackle? Yeah no, see
Speaker 1: you you have to live with this. This is the league.
Speaker 1: This is the league. So so the left guard, well
Speaker 1: they got to decide coming out of his break is
Speaker 1: they got to look chas in his in his eyes,
Speaker 1: his son, we need you? Are you are you going
Speaker 1: to play? Are you with us? Are you not? That's
Speaker 1: the question. That's a fair question. And people like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: Jimmy done me like that. Jimmy did a lot of players. Son,
Speaker 1: we need you? Are you with us? Just simple question.
Speaker 1: So what we need more than anything, it's for our
Speaker 1: team defensively to stop the run. Yeah, if I had
Speaker 1: to go ohead and get a guy, give me somebody
Speaker 1: that can help this linebacking corps stop this run. Because
Speaker 1: if we don't, every game is gonna be thirty five
Speaker 1: or forty five. Oh he'll tell you that in our show.
Speaker 1: He'll tell you got to score forty this week, you know,
Speaker 1: and he's usually not wrong. Then maybe the answer to
Speaker 1: the question is I need somebody that could play right
Speaker 1: defensive end. Hey, that's that's not Let you play tyrone inside? Yeah,
Speaker 1: let you play can tacko play some snaps inside? And
Speaker 1: my crazy nickel is a nickel tackle? Maybe? Am I
Speaker 1: crazy for wanting to see that? I keep saying that
Speaker 1: nickel tackle? You know it bothers me more than anything.
Speaker 1: And you know I'd rather knock this coaching staff. This
Speaker 1: get as hard for me to knock this coaching staff.
Speaker 1: But don't ever, please don't don't run around putting guys
Speaker 1: all over the place doing training camp only for the
Speaker 1: seat for the season to start, and we never see that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna put guys all in the insights in
Speaker 1: just in case, well when just in case pop up,
Speaker 1: let's see him see Charleston. And this is old school
Speaker 1: with me. This is just a problem I have. You
Speaker 1: don't spend a number one asset on nobody's defense and
Speaker 1: this guy is not on the field. Now. I understand
Speaker 1: that we want to win, but play this young guy
Speaker 1: played the safety. But they much better than than they
Speaker 1: must They much better, but they understand what the coach.
Speaker 1: I'm with him. Yeah, we we we saw him inside
Speaker 1: doing training camp on the field. Okay, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: what is he playing about? Twenty plays a game. It's
Speaker 1: it's it's it's well, he should play more than I
Speaker 1: mark him on my on my chart every time I
Speaker 1: watch tape and I'm mark him where he comes into
Speaker 1: and there's some big gaps, big gaps, and see like,
Speaker 1: all right, you're probably not gonna get us killed here
Speaker 1: go yeah, out there and show what you can do.
Speaker 1: All right, But that's one of those things when they're
Speaker 1: first and ten p M. Put him in, all right,
Speaker 1: mean if he's not in there, we begetting killed. Yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I not. I mean Mayoa has a drill. Oh no,
Speaker 1: that's that's fair. Yea, all fair. Mickey Blank has played
Speaker 1: better than I ever expected this season, ever expected already.
Speaker 1: M hmm. That's a that's wow, that's I'll get I'll
Speaker 1: give you one. That's okay, make you well ahead ahead, yeah,
Speaker 1: jump in. It might help me out. I mean, when
Speaker 1: did you ever need looking back? Better than expected? I had.
Speaker 1: I had high hopes for him coming out of the spring,
Speaker 1: but for a guy that didn't practice at all in
Speaker 1: the summer. Jordan Lewis is better than I could have
Speaker 1: expected that a rookie would be. Wow. Sweet yeah, Sordan
Speaker 1: Lewis now dak back exactly yet to be good. I'd expect,
Speaker 1: not for us not to have had If our running
Speaker 1: game was in tach and this kid could be who
Speaker 1: he was, protection, it would be all. It would no
Speaker 1: doubt in my mind, we would be at least uh
Speaker 1: or four and one five and oh if if we
Speaker 1: would have had a running game because it's playing well.
Speaker 1: I mean, this dude doesn't. Wow, he didn't did some
Speaker 1: backyard stuff man that we never would have thought that
Speaker 1: he should. That's a good point considering how the run
Speaker 1: game isn't working it used to. I'll go with Dave. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I searched and Lewis man, I was somewhat skeptical. We
Speaker 1: didn't know. I didn't like his size, and all that
Speaker 1: I was told was he will play better than his size.
Speaker 1: He makes plays on the ball, and that's what he's gone.
Speaker 1: Laughing at the irony there no no, because last year
Speaker 1: when we was doing this show and I brought up
Speaker 1: this kid, nay that they like he told me that
Speaker 1: they liked him. Yeah, and I said, man, and I
Speaker 1: looked at him, my red up one him living. I
Speaker 1: even spoke to you. And the next day I come
Speaker 1: back and said, man, this kid make you play like.
Speaker 1: I hate his height. I don't want a short DV.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, here we go. Nicky wanted Kevin King.
Speaker 1: Francis has worked my opinion on Shiit quarter day ago. Yeah, Nate, Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: Blank is how I would describe this Cowboys running game. Inconsistent.
Speaker 1: He's inconsistent. That's it. Dave disappointing, Wow, Dave really disappointing.
Speaker 1: And that's I know how crazy that sounds. Because they're running.
Speaker 1: They're running for buck sixty, buck eighty. You know, they're
Speaker 1: they're running the ball. It ain't it ain't good enough
Speaker 1: and it ain't up to we we are. But you
Speaker 1: know what you did it once? Oh sure, and honestly,
Speaker 1: And also I keep saying this and I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: it till I'm blue in the face. They will only
Speaker 1: be the team that they want to be, i e.
Speaker 1: A playoff team and a super Bowl contender when they
Speaker 1: get back to that level where they're running. And it
Speaker 1: will because that's how you keep your defense off the field,
Speaker 1: keep your defense from hurting you. That's how you limit
Speaker 1: your quarterback having to carry the game, which not by
Speaker 1: no fault of his own, increases the likelihood that he
Speaker 1: makes mistakes just because he's having to do more stuff
Speaker 1: they're not. They will probably be a mediocre team as
Speaker 1: long as their running game is operating it. The running
Speaker 1: game can't do anything to stop a Packer fourteen play drive.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying running game is at some point the
Speaker 1: defense has to get off the field. But how would
Speaker 1: you describe the running game? I mean miss firing spark plug.
Speaker 1: There you go. I like that champion spark plug. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like a change. Sometimes it is nice and sometimes
Speaker 1: nothing between them. Got to put the little thing I didn't.
Speaker 1: The spark plugs purpose is to start the engine. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: so if it's not doing it right, it's not disappoints.
Speaker 1: You have to remember you have to go hit it
Speaker 1: with the hammer. Yeah. The old days, we knew where
Speaker 1: our spark plugs. When we knew where they were. All right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take our final break for my man, Ken't Garrison.
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Speaker 1: don't think I read anything. Yeah, you didn't. You did
Speaker 1: right between you, Between you and Nate, it was a
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Speaker 1: of experienced he did have a lot of experience to it. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're back here in the SWBC Mortgage studios. Brian brought
Speaker 1: us Mickey Spagnola, David Hellman, Nate Newton. M'm gonna finish
Speaker 1: up this fill in the blanks. I got a couple more.
Speaker 1: I think they'll make us think a little bit. I
Speaker 1: like I like the dialogue that everybody's talking about, and
Speaker 1: I hope everybody's liking that out there listening. And I'll
Speaker 1: start back with you David Hellman, because you brought this
Speaker 1: up during the break. If I had to play Terrence
Speaker 1: Williams or Bryce Butler Moore, I'd play blank. I'd probably
Speaker 1: stick with what it is because and not. I don't
Speaker 1: mean that as a compliment to Terrence, because he has
Speaker 1: been frustratingly inconsistent even by his standards, especially these last
Speaker 1: two weeks. I mean, huge, huge plays in both games
Speaker 1: in a bad way. But hasn't the knock on Bryce
Speaker 1: been very similar? I mean it's funny now finishing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's funny now because he had a great day in
Speaker 1: Phoenix and he was very He's He's had a great
Speaker 1: month really Phoenix. He scored a touchdown against the Rams's,
Speaker 1: he made a couple of big catches against the Packers.
Speaker 1: He started his season off with two or three horrendous drops. Right,
Speaker 1: these are these guys are both they are what they are.
Speaker 1: To borrow a line from Nate, They're both talented but
Speaker 1: inconsistent receivers. Terrence is at least useful as a blocker
Speaker 1: and can do other things like that away from the ball.
Speaker 1: So I mean, I'm not thrilled with the way Terrence
Speaker 1: is playing, but I'm fine leaving him where he's at,
Speaker 1: because I don't think Bryce is that much of an
Speaker 1: improvement either. Mickey six and one half a dozen to
Speaker 1: the other. Yeah, that's pretty you don't have No, it's
Speaker 1: just it's two guys, the similar guys. If there were
Speaker 1: similar types of games, guys, what to say? Six and
Speaker 1: one half a dozen and some of my eggs, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then when one crack, you just bring bring it
Speaker 1: back and just get the other six out there. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean they're not perfect. They aren't perfect, neither one.
Speaker 1: They're gonna have their drops, they also make their plays. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I think do you feel better about one over
Speaker 1: the other? No? If I did, i'd be advocating for it.
Speaker 1: And I know you sound everybody's. I take a little
Speaker 1: bit of issue with Mick right there, just because to
Speaker 1: be to be this offense's number two receiver for four
Speaker 1: years and to still be having miscus like what we've
Speaker 1: seen from Terrence these last two weeks. That's that's more
Speaker 1: than saying he's not perfect. That's like, come on, man,
Speaker 1: help me out, help me help you. Well, you're not
Speaker 1: trying to. You don't replace Dez When he drops a
Speaker 1: pass and he's had drops this year. Sure that has
Speaker 1: made plenty of mistakes, but he has repaid those with
Speaker 1: great plays over seven. Yeah, right here, fellas, when I
Speaker 1: look at other guys number two's and I just need more.
Speaker 1: I just need just a little bit more, not not
Speaker 1: much more, just a little bit more. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: always up. The other thing is and is when your
Speaker 1: quarterback needs you to most as when you got to
Speaker 1: come up right, it's it's quality, not on. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: if you want to be considered a special guy, you know,
Speaker 1: it ain't but one Julio Jones. It ain't but one Brown.
Speaker 1: But they got guys around them that when they quarterback,
Speaker 1: when they're doubling, their quarterback need them most, boom they
Speaker 1: and they're there. And uh, that's what That's the only
Speaker 1: thing I asked because I learned a valuable lesson when
Speaker 1: Weedon and the other guy House was here and they
Speaker 1: was trying to force this ball to this kid. I
Speaker 1: mean I was, I was raking them over the colds.
Speaker 1: But you know, me and Mick was talking one day,
Speaker 1: said they he is what he is. Yeah, And then
Speaker 1: that's when I backed up because he's not a number
Speaker 1: one and he's really shouldn't be your second option, just
Speaker 1: just my let me ask you this, and he really isn't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you think about it. Yeah about the fourth option. Let
Speaker 1: me ask you this though, is the receivers do they
Speaker 1: fall into that same group we've talked about the inconsistencies
Speaker 1: with offensive line and things like that. The situation has
Speaker 1: gotten them the situation like like hellman say, if they
Speaker 1: want to be who they want to be and they
Speaker 1: want to go somewhere, they'll have to run the ball.
Speaker 1: Because I used to tell Mick our Beasley's best friend
Speaker 1: used to be deads, but now they didn't figured out
Speaker 1: they don't have to cover and we cover deaths with
Speaker 1: one guy. Let's let's just go out there and seek
Speaker 1: a heat, make a play, and we'll bracking up this
Speaker 1: little guy in the middle, and we'll get this once
Speaker 1: we get it. Once we get uh and we're open field. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we ain't gonna beat us in open field. We get
Speaker 1: down in the red zone, he'll beat you. And now
Speaker 1: we'll bracking him up too. So they crowd up the
Speaker 1: middle and they ask for dads to whoop them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I think for you know, the narrative was
Speaker 1: that these this Receiver Corp has been together for going
Speaker 1: on three years now, and they've been working with Dak.
Speaker 1: They were healthy all offseason, and I get that, you know,
Speaker 1: obviously the struggles with the running game play into that,
Speaker 1: but I need more, man like brother. For as complimentary
Speaker 1: as we were throughout the offseason, I'm not willing to
Speaker 1: just chalk it up as well, they got to run
Speaker 1: the ball better like these I need more from them.
Speaker 1: And that's I don't even I don't need Terrence Williams
Speaker 1: to be this amazing playmaker. I just need him to
Speaker 1: not drop a ball that turns into a pick six
Speaker 1: in his own red zone. And it's little stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I'm with you. At some point, you're passing game gonna
Speaker 1: have to gonna have to win a game. And it
Speaker 1: looked like we had an opportunity last week where you're
Speaker 1: passing was gonna have to win a game. But the
Speaker 1: consistency of our running game, We'll get you for a half,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, we we we got
Speaker 1: Dak running around back. They're spending out doing all these
Speaker 1: great and I just said on this show that the
Speaker 1: running game is the key to their success. But if
Speaker 1: the running games struggling. You gotta pay help me out, man.
Speaker 1: But you get But but and I hate to say
Speaker 1: this because we in the middle of a season and
Speaker 1: there's nobody else out there. But that's where your horse
Speaker 1: isn't And I'm not not no cold b I'm talking
Speaker 1: my up. Yeah, I'm serious. I don't disagree. Kind of
Speaker 1: segues to my question to Mickey. Mickey, fans are too
Speaker 1: quick to judge Blank as a player. As a player, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't thought you were going to say, as a
Speaker 1: team who have the judged fans are too quick to
Speaker 1: judge this Blank as a player. I can step in
Speaker 1: again if Micky, I'm sick of this. I'm I'm sick
Speaker 1: of of of hearing about Jayalen Smith and what a
Speaker 1: bad player he is. And honestly, uh wow, really hearing this?
Speaker 1: Can you know what I'm saying is people saying that.
Speaker 1: I guess I can't answer this because I stay off
Speaker 1: Twitter all week. I hate I hate the way and
Speaker 1: fans go at you. It's so frustrating to see because
Speaker 1: all through the spring in the summer, we were very cautious,
Speaker 1: weren't we about expectations for Jalan Smith about what that
Speaker 1: means about the step by step and this many snaps,
Speaker 1: and he handled all that really well. He handled it
Speaker 1: probably better than anybody expected, to the point where we
Speaker 1: were all really impressed and really excited. But that turns
Speaker 1: into this hype train that you know, he's ready to
Speaker 1: be an all pro player, and that was never true.
Speaker 1: He was a surprisingly well adapted guy considering what he
Speaker 1: was coming from. And you know, when he got to
Speaker 1: play thirty five snaps against the New York Giants, he
Speaker 1: looked pretty good right playing alongside Sean Lee Mike and then,
Speaker 1: for various reasons, injuries being a big part of it,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, he's playing seventy. Yeah, he's not
Speaker 1: ready for that, and especially without again not having Sean Lee,
Speaker 1: he's not ready. Instinctually, he's not ready for the speed.
Speaker 1: I don't care what anybody says. He's not ready. From
Speaker 1: a health standpoint, he's clearly ready to play, and they're
Speaker 1: not putting on the field because he's not health it's
Speaker 1: clearly ready to play, and he can do some things well,
Speaker 1: but he is not recovered to the point that he
Speaker 1: is that freakish athlete from Notre Dame. He's just not
Speaker 1: and I think he still can be. He definitely still
Speaker 1: can be. And that's why even going back to week
Speaker 1: one and week two, you're saying, what's still really exciting
Speaker 1: about this is what it means for twenty eighteen and
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. And obviously he's played a lot more snaps
Speaker 1: than I think most people expected. His shortcomings have been exposed.
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean he's a bad player or a wasted pick.
Speaker 1: It just means that this is a long process. So
Speaker 1: to see people really coming at him like he's this
Speaker 1: terrible player has has pissed me off. So that's the guy,
Speaker 1: because I guess I haven't seen that it's out, but
Speaker 1: you're you're probably right. And I always thought twenty eighteen
Speaker 1: was going to be his sure me just this was
Speaker 1: kind of a glorified red shirt here for him. He's
Speaker 1: going to play a little. No one expected him to
Speaker 1: be a starter and play fifty sixty plays a game.
Speaker 1: Let's see, that's the situation. See that that's and that's
Speaker 1: what That's what every time man Brods looked at him
Speaker 1: in preseason, I kept saying, I hope they just practiced
Speaker 1: him a lot and give him five or six snaps
Speaker 1: a game. Don't don't do him like this because I
Speaker 1: have been a Dallas cowboy and I know the hype
Speaker 1: train that comes with it, and then if you fall
Speaker 1: short all of a sudden, it's a disaster, you know.
Speaker 1: And this guy and that's why I had I still
Speaker 1: don't have any expectations for this kid. His kid's gonna
Speaker 1: be all right, but until they cut down on his
Speaker 1: snaps and let him see what he can't even digest
Speaker 1: from week to week, what's happening to him? Right? Just bye, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think can help him. Yes, that bacause I sensed
Speaker 1: him getting frustrated. Not publicly, right yeah, but on the field.
Speaker 1: Right there was frustration because he's in his body language
Speaker 1: because you're right, you're right, you know you know what,
Speaker 1: because his brain saying I should have been there. His
Speaker 1: brain is Tennis. Well, he's seen it, he knows his mind.
Speaker 1: He goes I made this play a cover of times
Speaker 1: in my life. How did I saw one time dude
Speaker 1: shook him and when he got over that to him,
Speaker 1: when he finally got caught up to him, he stood
Speaker 1: over him. He's just looking. I'm saying to myself, son,
Speaker 1: just bear with it, just just get through it. You know, uh,
Speaker 1: this one time. It just is this was not a
Speaker 1: fair situation for him. Yeah, you know what, I think
Speaker 1: people have overlooked what Nate said earlier about Lele Collins. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think they've been pretty hard on him that you're
Speaker 1: just gonna pick up and go play a position he
Speaker 1: hadn't played since lsue. Yeah, and and not misslebeat And
Speaker 1: I see him getting better and better. He's still not there,
Speaker 1: but he's getting better. Yes, he is. And and and
Speaker 1: that's a that's a tough transition, especially when, as Nate
Speaker 1: pointed out in training camp, when you're left handed and
Speaker 1: then you're trying to punch what you're right dam Yeah
Speaker 1: he brought it, So that's not noticing it like, wow,
Speaker 1: you can't hit Nobody was right? Yeah, you know it
Speaker 1: just we we we That's why I love being a
Speaker 1: cowboy man. It's depending I can't the thing. The blade's
Speaker 1: gonna swing both well, let me, I'll give you an example.
Speaker 1: And I was guilty of this. Kent Norton Junior. Yes,
Speaker 1: his first couple of years, it was like wrong defense
Speaker 1: and white can't play, can't play, and he was hurt
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden ninety one shows up
Speaker 1: and then ninety two shows up and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: this guy's a pro bowler. Right, Sometimes guys take longer,
Speaker 1: and he was a second round pick now. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it takes guys maybe a little long. Everybody's not on
Speaker 1: the same plateau of right. And he came around and
Speaker 1: look what he became, you know, even though coordinator for
Speaker 1: the Raiders. Yeah, how about that? Yeah, did a really
Speaker 1: good job and looking just like his daddy. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I need to hit that chance. See if he got
Speaker 1: all right, We've we've got a couple more minutes left
Speaker 1: here in the show. We've got a break early because
Speaker 1: we've got to get out and get locker room joke
Speaker 1: and care no good guy to pick? Oh yeah, we
Speaker 1: gotta pick, can't do We have anybody on the phone
Speaker 1: line that's uh that's tried to call us at two
Speaker 1: one four eight seven two twenty one O two. I
Speaker 1: have a caller right now, and give me one second
Speaker 1: to put them on. Okay, well Kent does that? No,
Speaker 1: thank you. Guys has some really good answers there for
Speaker 1: what we were trying to do. And I thought a
Speaker 1: lot of different opinions there, but the Jalen Smith. One
Speaker 1: that makes a lot of sense at the end because
Speaker 1: I'm seen the same thing. Ken, Who do you got?
Speaker 1: Robin Vegas joining us, Robin las Vegas, welcome, my friend.
Speaker 1: What do you got? Hey? Everybody believe it or not.
Speaker 1: I was one of the guys that said I thought
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith was a wasted second round pick. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: not a wasted pick. A wasted second round pick when
Speaker 1: you're picking at number thirty four, you need a guy
Speaker 1: to come in immediately and help this team, especially on
Speaker 1: defense where this team needs the most help. If you
Speaker 1: could have did this all over again, would you have
Speaker 1: chosen him at number thirty four? Well? I think uh,
Speaker 1: thanks Rod for the calling and our thoughts with you
Speaker 1: guys out there as you get your lives back together.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I mean, you can go back and find
Speaker 1: hours and hours of tape of Brian broad Us saying
Speaker 1: he didn't agree with the pick and he wouldn't have
Speaker 1: made that. No. Um, that was two drafts ago. Emmanuel
Speaker 1: Ogbo went off the board right before James Kevin Dodd
Speaker 1: went off right before that was two they were looking
Speaker 1: at I mean, yeah, Jay, I was stunned when they
Speaker 1: picked Jalen Smith. Um, so I don't remember who was
Speaker 1: available for them to take, do you, Brian, Well, they
Speaker 1: could have took the lineback Miles Jack was my guy there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, they that, and they were going to take
Speaker 1: spins the Noah spin right because they knew too much
Speaker 1: of and and so yeah, that gets into the thing
Speaker 1: where you're saying, you know, I would have taken this
Speaker 1: guy that the run office never would have taken. Sure,
Speaker 1: And you can argue that to absolutely they knew what
Speaker 1: they wanted to do and they did it. If I
Speaker 1: could go back me personally, I probably would not draft
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith. But that bed has long ago. And not
Speaker 1: only that, but now that he's now that you've spent
Speaker 1: the resource, why are you trying to close the door
Speaker 1: on right? Um, He's made a remarkable amount of progress.
Speaker 1: And I said this and I still believe it. I
Speaker 1: said it before the season started, you know, through training
Speaker 1: camp and probably up until week one when he looked
Speaker 1: really good playing a smaller amount of snaps. I have
Speaker 1: a lot of confidence, and people who know a lot
Speaker 1: more than me about football have a lot of confidence
Speaker 1: that he can become that absolutely, and and it's hard
Speaker 1: for me to argue that seeing the amount of progress
Speaker 1: that he's made just since May of this year. UM,
Speaker 1: I think the answer for the guy is asked me
Speaker 1: this same time next year. Yeah, we always kind of thought, Ny.
Speaker 1: You hate to say, he was the second round draft
Speaker 1: choice that you had to wait three years for, but
Speaker 1: they knew that, Yeah, they did. This is not a surprise.
Speaker 1: Well that music means sounds like he's gotta go, he's
Speaker 1: gotta player pick if you'd have one off just last right,
Speaker 1: there you go, all right, Mickey, Thanks, Thanks David Hellman,
Speaker 1: Thanks Snate, Nowton Kid, what's up broadcast? What the hell
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