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Hey, welcome everybody to our joint show. 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:46.519 The as the Big Boys guy said Hanging with the 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:50.879 Talking Cowboys Break, Brian Broadus, Mickey Spagnola, Nate Newton, and 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:55.320 David Hellman. Gentleman, Welcome, welcome, welcome, Hey. I want to 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:57.600 get into this thing off and running. Mickey, I know 0:00:57.640 --> 0:01:00.400 you were out on the field, actually I was out 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:02.400 in the hallway. Out in the hallway. Did you see 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:04.600 anything that you liked on the field. I know it's 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:07.199 kind of been an hour practice. It's ones, first ones. 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:10.560 It's really not getting ready for anybody but anything out there. 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:13.640 Shawn Lee. So good to see Sean Lee back out there. 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:17.920 So the work he did yesterday was somewhat like he's 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:22.759 been doing. He's out there for the stretch, the drills 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:26.120 that they're doing, you know, throwing the football to the linebackers, 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:29.160 acting like they're intercepting the ball, which we haven't seen it, 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:30.840 which is a good thing. Yeah, we haven't seen that 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:34.880 our hands on it. Yeah, So yeah, he's back out there. 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:37.360 You know, Hitchens didn't look like he was any worse 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:39.839 for the wear after playing his first game in about 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:44.200 six seven weeks. David Irving back out there, said yesterday 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:47.840 he was a little sore, which is understandable. Did not 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:50.040 see Tyrn Smith out there, so it looks like they're 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:53.400 giving him the week or week off. Yeah, just go 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:55.960 get that backward as right as you can. Yeah. And 0:01:56.160 --> 0:01:58.120 other than that, it was just kind of a look 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:02.360 like a normal day out there, same as yesterday. And 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:07.240 this is Walter o'kin cry yes reporting live like a 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:11.480 cigarette some cigarette smoke going in the background. If you're 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:15.760 gonna do that, David yesterday though, we uh, some guys 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:18.680 you just got done from the press conference. Yeah, and 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:21.360 we talked about yesterday on our show. We talked about 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:25.760 Nolan Carroll no longer part of the organization. Justin March 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:29.880 Lillard scouting report on Dallas Cowboys dot com. If you 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:34.919 care to see what the linebacker from the Chiefs, Dolphins 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:37.600 and Seahawks, what kind of work he had on film? 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:41.280 His name again brought us Justin March Lillard that he 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:44.280 play enough to have some work on film. He did 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:47.240 have enough. He was on film, So watched the preseason 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:50.880 from Kansas City this year. He actually special teams work 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:53.320 with Seattle this year against Anneapolis Colts. I want to 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:55.920 say it's week four, so he has He's not one 0:02:55.960 --> 0:02:59.040 of those guys that's been on the couch. He's he's 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:02.160 been a guy that's has has participated. I think the 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:04.440 thing that you'll probably be a little concerned about is 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:08.400 he's not the most consistent tackler. Hmm. That's what he 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:11.600 can run, and that's not what the special teams needs either. Yeah, 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:13.920 he can run and he can get to where he 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:16.320 needs to be. He doesn't overrun plays all my reports 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:18.040 there on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. But I don't know 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:21.480 if he's the most consistent tackler. Let's see, we should 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:24.640 have kept what is Nasacha that that you know he 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:28.840 got signed off to practice squad? Yeah, signed away. This 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:30.840 would have been a spot you're looking. You're looking at 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:32.919 this guy mainly as a special teamer though I'm looking 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:35.200 as a special team and a backup guy right now. 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:39.200 Can he stand up up up top of where the 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:42.360 gunners are and hold up all somebody? That's what Mickey loves. 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:45.360 Mickey wants somebody that could just jam a gunner into 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:48.119 the bench and he's right. Or how about just give 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:51.200 the punt returner five yards of space? That would be 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:53.480 even better. I'm not asking for a lot. Hey, thank 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:55.480 you for that segue because it broke down the special 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:57.960 teams today on that you know, and one of my 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:00.960 areas that need to improve is the hunt return and 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:03.680 I appreciate your insight on that. They need to get 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:05.800 Ryan Switcher going. I know he fumbled the ball, but 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:09.200 they need to get that going. But Lillard, Marshall, Lillard, 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:13.320 backup guy, special teams guy. The tackling, you know, might 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:15.400 be a little hit and miss there, so well, we'll 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:20.000 keep an eye on that. Another player that coach mentioned today, 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:23.040 we didn't report it as official, but we can report 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:26.920 it as official today with Stephen Paya no longer on 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:32.600 the roster. Tie the knee just too much, Nate, That 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:36.400 to me, that's a loss. That's a big loss because 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:40.480 he didn't mind eating up blocks. He made it easier 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:44.520 for a three technique. He makes it easier just the 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:49.320 middle of the defense. You know. Wow, I just that's 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:51.240 to me, that's a big loss. And who will replace 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:53.359 him with? Yeah, that's what I want to get into. 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:56.720 I mean, did you see enough Mickey of Lewis Neal 0:04:56.800 --> 0:04:59.000 and training camp to get a good field that Maybe 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:02.320 I know he's a six foot defensive tackle, but did 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:04.479 you get enough feel of him to to be that 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:06.840 guy that, Yeah, let's give this cat a chance. Let 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:11.360 him roll. I was six, yeah, yeah, sixty six, sixty yeah, yeah, 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:14.400 I got enough beef, sixty six sunset. Yeah yeah, give 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:17.280 him a chance. I had him on my fifty three 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:19.560 man rob, give him a chance. I thought he was 0:05:19.560 --> 0:05:21.479 gonna make it, okay. I liked what he did in 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:24.080 training camp, liked what he did in the preseason games, 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:28.120 and uh, it sounded like from what Jason Garrett said 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:31.680 when we walked off that it might likely come down 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:36.120 to either him or ash Ash. Richard Richard Ash. We 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:41.800 saw him number ninety two, seventy six, seventy six bank Okay, okay, yeah, okay, 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:44.000 because I'm a numbers guy. When he comes to young 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:47.279 guys ashes, the other guy that me you talked about 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:50.520 doing the ashes, the only other big body detail, Yeah, 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:53.640 number seventy six, Okay, yeah, okay, Now I'm with you. 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:58.040 You like it what he's saying about about young Neil. Hey, 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:00.240 I would love for Lewis Neil to be on this 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:03.560 fifty three. He I want pass rush. That's honestly what 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:05.840 I loved about Stephen Pie. I know Nate's right that 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:08.239 he could eat up blocks, but I really thought Stephen 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:10.280 Pie was going to have a great year with how 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:12.760 well he gets into the backfield. And if you want 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:14.840 a guy that, if you want a guy that can 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:17.320 do that, Lewis Neel's your guy, I think. But I 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:20.800 do wonder about Richard ashe because this front is so 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:25.560 small and they've struggled against the run. Maybe you just 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:27.279 want to have the old My favorite, one of my 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:30.240 favorite Brian broad Us sayings, the trash can full of dirt. Yeah, 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:32.200 maybe you just want a guy that you can't move. 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:36.080 So I don't know that's an interesting choice. Um not 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:41.320 in this case? Uh what to heal? Yeah, you're good. Yeah, 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:43.120 you got the skins on the wall. You can go 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:48.680 with it. Because the Cowboys are not a good enough 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:53.000 team to to how to play a balance offense, they 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:55.560 have to dictate one or the other. You either gonna 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:57.480 run them to death are you gonna pass them to death? 0:06:57.520 --> 0:06:59.320 But if you do them both, they have no chance. 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:03.320 We was successful no one hundred yard rushes and we're 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:05.680 not only giving them a hundred yard rushes now, we're 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:07.719 giving them up to a tune of over one hundred 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:10.200 and fifty yards a game that cannot happen to this 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:13.720 young defense and inexperienced defense like it is. You know, 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:15.880 so we got to stop to rush. So if the 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:18.800 other guy ash gives us a chance to stop to 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:22.000 run as much as I want, mister Neil, if he's 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:24.880 a run stopper, go with the run stopper. My colleague here, 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:26.920 though he thinks he was on he had Neil and 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:29.600 his fifty three. I did it too, Yeah I did 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:32.000 it too. But so obviously you feel like though he 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:34.800 can't play the run and give you something in the past. 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:38.679 Are you're thinking that way, Mick? Yeah, But here's the deal. 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:42.800 Whoever comes in is probably a rotation guy, right right, 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:46.160 because I mean, you're gonna leave David Irving in the 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:48.600 middle there, I would leave David Irvan in the middle. 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:52.120 You want to move him to the three technique Nick 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:55.040 Collins as the one. Nah, you don't do that. What 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:59.880 you do is you David? Yeah? Davers is a specialist. Okay, 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:05.720 let's see get this team does not stand a chance 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:08.560 if they don't ever stop to run. I'm with you. Oh, 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:10.680 he's he's he's trust me. I do a show with 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:13.840 him every days. He's on that if if they if 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:16.320 we're gonna put a guy that's in the middle, he's 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:18.920 got to eat up bodies. He's got to make sure 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:22.720 that Sean Lee and Hitches is free because it would 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:25.760 do no good if I if I'm a guard and 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:28.920 you let me leak up on with Sean Lee and Hitches. No. 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:32.040 Is that what the linebackers are struggling? I think it's 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:33.840 part of it, for sure. Well, part of it's also 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:36.040 that Shaun Lee hasn't been playing and John I'm just 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:39.599 taking I'm taking the approach that the the the leakage, 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:42.680 the second level block in or the lack of taking 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:45.520 up blocks is killing these linebacks. That's letting the linebackers 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:47.439 off the hook a little bit, in my opinion. But 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:51.080 I certainly think that could help. And that's honestly. I 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:54.680 think a guy like Richard Ashe probably helps these guys 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:56.840 more than than a guy like Lewis Neil. And that 0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:58.920 pains me to say, because I like Lewis Neil a lot. 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:03.000 I think we put him on all Man. Yeah. So 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:08.600 so David Irving sitting No no, no, no, no, no. 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:12.439 What I'm saying David, he'd be that one technique to 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:16.080 eat up space. David Irving is to me as a specialist, 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:17.640 all right, and what are you gonna do with But 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:20.640 what I mean by that is any any inkling of 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:26.760 a past rush situation, even and even second and second 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:31.679 and five or more, Okay, any time it's up, any 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:35.120 time it's a past situation. Now, I'm not saying that 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:38.920 David Irving can't stop to run. I just haven't seen it. 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:42.160 But what we need is if he can stop run, 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:46.000 put him in there. Because I promise you you talk 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:48.760 to Lee, I'll let you talk to Ron Marinelli. They're saying, man, 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:54.679 we need somebody because if the only person Sean Lee 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:56.599 can get around blocks, he can find a way to 0:09:56.679 --> 0:09:59.840 maneuver to get tackles, same way with hittings. He's smiling, 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:05.320 But Jalen has not been that guy being a physical limitation. 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:08.120 Our guys leaking on on him. He's not been that 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:11.800 guy and we all know why. But here, you want 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:14.079 things to be clean. If things are clean, shun of 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:17.520 Lee is hitting people in the backfield off game, Yeah don't. 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:21.280 I'm with you. He's trying to figure us out. How 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:23.480 do I how do I maximize what I get out 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:27.760 of David Irving easy, he's a specialist to me, David, 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:30.679 to me, now you've said that short time. He's a specialist. 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:35.600 I mean, but you don't seem as a starter. We okay, 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:38.520 all of these guys. The only person that ain't a rotation, 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:41.160 he's only two guys that are not rotation guys. That's 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:45.000 Lawrence and that's my leak. Everybody else is rolling. Yeah, 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:47.679 that's a fair. That's how I look at you know, 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:51.600 David Irvin is. But now when it becomes a pass 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:53.960 rush or we think it's gonna be a past situation. 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:56.960 Of course, I want David Irvin in there, but first 0:10:57.080 --> 0:11:01.000 down and maybe second and third or second in where 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:03.520 it can be a run. You need guys to be 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:06.680 that can stop the run. Because this kid hit us 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:09.640 last week for nineteen carress for twenty five yards. He 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:12.680 was averaging a godly over five yards of carross. Sure 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:16.920 that that we we can't dictate where our safety goal. 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:19.679 Let's let's think about this though. I am curious about 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:22.640 this because all right, let's say that Louis Neil does 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:26.080 get the call up. How are you deploying this defensive line. 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:29.240 That's what Mickey was just trying to Yeah, and I'm 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:33.000 I'm I'm curious. I want to I'm thinking, why would you, Okay, 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:36.400 give us your starting four? Who give us your starting 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:38.640 I want David Irving on the field. I don't disagree. 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:42.760 I don't. The only look who had tackles for losses David. 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:47.280 David Irving had a couple, okay, which sacks too. So 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:50.000 I'm I'm playing Irving, and I'm playing David and Kin 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:54.040 and Malik at at defensive tackle, playing DeMarcus Lawrence at 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:58.680 left end, right, yes, my right end. I don't that's 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:01.520 still that's still the issue. It's an all comers meeting. Well, 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:05.160 and I'm saying Tyrone Crawford to start, I'm well, what 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:08.800 I'm saying it doesn't matter. In what I understand that 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:11.840 I've got over time is it doesn't matter who starts, 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:14.600 it's who's in the rotation. Let me ask you this, guys, 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:19.079 would you consider playing David Irvin to right end? I 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:22.599 would play David Irvin anywhere on a yes, I was 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:25.959 playing him anywhere. I don't, but I want to see it. 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:28.600 I mean, we've always seen him have the west side. 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:31.280 If you think what they've done with Crawford over there, 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:35.640 they've decided and Marinelli said it, but we don't have 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:38.439 anybody that seems to have the quickness to beat these 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:42.040 athletic left tackles. So I'm going with power. Well, if 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:47.400 he wants power, I understand Crawford. But power squared is 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:50.680 David Irving. Now does he have the discipline to play 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:54.840 that edge and hold down the edge in the running game? 0:12:55.080 --> 0:13:00.760 Well that part ain't. Nobody had the power, honest, nobody 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:04.880 or the discipline edge down. Yeah, I don't love the 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:06.959 way that sounds. I'd playing him at right in. I 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:09.120 would try it, but I don't love the way that sounds. 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:11.599 But and so really, the reason I'm asking this in 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:13.760 the first place is because I'm trying to find a 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:16.160 way to play Lewis Neil in this scenario where we 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:18.320 all love Will. I think we all love I think 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:20.439 we all love Lewis Neil more than Ash. Well, what 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:22.920 situation are you putting him on the field in? Well, 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:25.160 you know what I mean. Here's what they've been doing 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:27.560 the same when the other team. When the other team 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:29.600 gets the ball first and ten at their own ten 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:33.040 yard line, the backup lineman go in. Yeah, Lewis Neil 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:35.680 goes in. Let me say this right here, the same 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:39.760 way the fine time to put in, mister Charlton, give 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:43.960 him ten plays, give him five plays in the little 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:45.959 little bitterness better. Oh yeah, I got a lot of 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:49.160 bitterness a little better than me. Yeah, you're saying, if 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:51.319 he was playing better at right in, we wouldn't be 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:54.120 having this discussion about the right in. Well, I'm not 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:56.840 just blaming him, because it's been pretty consistent that they 0:13:56.920 --> 0:13:59.920 have an issue. Is this here? And I'm better because 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:04.880 what I want, what I want more than anything, is 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:08.680 for us to be able to stop something that gives 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:15.239 our linebackers and I back in a chance to uh concentrate, 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:17.920 you know, to be able to read the keys a 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:20.160 little bit faster, to be able to see things a 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:23.360 little bit quicker, if you can just dictate a little 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:26.800 bit of what's happening. Uh. David Irvy, I got great 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:29.880 respect for him, But one thing I gotta see starting 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:33.120 this week is, I saw what you did against Green Bay? 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:34.920 Can you do it again? Can you do it again? That? 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:37.280 That is? And can you do it? That is the 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:41.360 biggest and even even the even the defensive coordinator will 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:44.160 tell you that, Yeah, nice game. Yea, yeah, that's been 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:47.040 his If you were a Green Jersey, he plays like 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:50.120 an all pro. He should just play whoever whoever's playing 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:53.000 Green Bay should sign him for that week. Now, the 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:55.320 Viking's got some pretty good defensive lineman. They might not 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:58.720 get him this week. Yeah, it's the Cowboys need him, 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:01.440 even if he's not always is that good? So we 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:04.600 but we like we like Richard ashe though if that 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:08.160 was the addition, I mean, does it does it make 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:12.120 you feel any better? I mean, but does but to 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:15.400 sign it? But putting on Neil make you feel better? 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:20.120 For what they're trying to do. I would rather have 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:23.800 the potential for more sacks and behind the tackle for 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:26.320 losses and stuff like that, and more stops behind the 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:28.520 line of scram and somebody's gonna hold up blocks. But 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:32.080 I don't disagree with you, now, Okay, expect Hey, if 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:34.720 Sean Lee's out there, he's gonna get the job done 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:37.920 regardless of how well they're holding up blocks. In my opinion, See, 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:39.760 to go back to about to lose his mind is 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:44.080 one thing you are, one thing you learned about me. 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:46.720 I respect everybody opining on me. Laugh, I mean couple 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:51.400 of my eyes. But over time it is proven that 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:54.200 don't matter how great your linebackers all right, in a 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:56.720 four to three, not a three four, but a four 0:15:56.760 --> 0:16:01.040 to three, you're gonna need for your down lineman to 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:03.760 be playing on the other side of that field because 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:06.480 if they're not, people are gonna start leaking off and 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:08.920 chipping you and hitting you, and over time it will 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:12.200 wear you down. See. And one thing I've known is 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:17.320 I've seen offensive linemen on linebackers more than I'm used 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:20.680 to seeing. Yeah, yeah, that's that's that. Seems like they're 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:24.240 getting free scrimmage and all of a sudden they're on 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:30.120 the linebackers. Yeah, and not one, but sometimes two. That happened. 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:33.360 Sean Lee is smart enough where to go high. Well, 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:37.320 he's gonna he's gonna hit you with a shoulder's gonna 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:41.200 get up under your gee yourself leverage. But over time 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:45.320 and see, now, maybe we're looking at if we can 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:47.720 get fifty five plays like we got from Green Bay. 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:49.880 I was a nominally last week. We just played a great, 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:52.520 great player. But if you can get fifty five plays 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:55.080 a game of no more than sixty, I don't care 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:57.560 who you put up front, as long as they rushing 0:16:57.600 --> 0:17:00.600 the pass. On with him, rush the pass. But when 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:05.040 you saw some a sixty sixty five seventy five, you're 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:08.800 gonna get your linebreakers beat up. And that's again I 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:11.800 prefer the guy that's gonna give me production in the backfield. 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:14.640 But it totally makes sense why you might prefer Richard 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:17.800 ash because he can do more to help that element 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:20.280 of your defense, especially if he if he gets a 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:24.160 little penetration. It still comes down to how how weird 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:26.560 is it right now that we're having this conversation, we're 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:28.760 worried about the run. We're really not worried about their 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:31.200 ability to get to the passer like they're not. No, no, 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:34.480 the the whole narrative was about who where's the pass 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:37.840 rush gone from it? That's not now Mickey his six 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:40.960 Mickey has hit the fire alarm and it's run defense 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:45.119 and he's no, I'm just trying on our show. Micky 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:47.640 Mickey said, Hey, whoa, whoa, whoa Wait a minute. Yeah, 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:52.080 and here's here's my puzzling thing about Richard ash What 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:55.600 has he done? None of them? I mean and Treni 0:17:55.640 --> 0:17:58.119 Camp did he ever He's a big guy, he's a 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:00.480 big guy, but did he ever make an impression? See, 0:18:00.520 --> 0:18:03.000 that's what I'm saying. You put you put the other 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:05.840 guy on your fifty three because he did. Think we'll see. 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:08.119 And that goes back to the crux of this whole thing, 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:11.440 because I would argue Richard ashe did do something which 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:14.840 is take up space and eat blocks. That's not sexy. 0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:17.479 It doesn't look good. That's why Lewis Neil flashes at 0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:19.359 you because he gets in the backfield and hits somebody. 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:23.960 Thinking that Richard ashe does is just not very appealing, 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:28.159 but it's useful. Yeah, that's right here, you know, if 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:31.639 we was to go to Rob marion ETI any defensive guys. 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:34.520 The first thing you asked him, Sam, what do we 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:37.000 have to do to help this defense? But what is 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:39.840 the thing that you're telling your defense we gotta do first? 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:44.480 And I think five out of out of six gonna say, man, 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:47.760 we gotta stop this run. Yeah, you know, and so 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:51.240 you it's a lot of ways stop run by penetration, 0:18:51.359 --> 0:18:54.119 you know, if Neil can get back there and you know, 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:58.600 and make the it's all about making a bat read direct. 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:01.960 I hesitate talking about we're not ling that guy trying 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:04.840 to help this rundy. Yeah, well, David Irving's there, No, no, 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:06.840 I know, but I'm just saying, guy, it's come to 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:09.200 the point where you're like, you know, but David, maybe 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:12.920 come down to ash or is a starter deal, but 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:15.880 you still gonna need some help, you know, I understand. No, no, yeah, 0:19:15.920 --> 0:19:19.080 you're right, but for a starter, Irving's got to be 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:21.640 I don't disagree with you there. 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