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Speaker 1: our host is show. Hey, welcome everybody to our joint show.

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Speaker 1: The as the Big Boys guy said Hanging with the

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Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys Break, Brian Broadus, Mickey Spagnola, Nate Newton, and

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Speaker 1: David Hellman. Gentleman, Welcome, welcome, welcome, Hey. I want to

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Speaker 1: get into this thing off and running. Mickey, I know

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Speaker 1: anything that you liked on the field. I know it's

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Speaker 1: kind of been an hour practice. It's ones, first ones.

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Speaker 1: It's really not getting ready for anybody but anything out there.

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Speaker 1: Shawn Lee. So good to see Sean Lee back out there.

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Speaker 1: So the work he did yesterday was somewhat like he's

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Speaker 1: been doing. He's out there for the stretch, the drills

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Speaker 1: that they're doing, you know, throwing the football to the linebackers,

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Speaker 1: acting like they're intercepting the ball, which we haven't seen it,

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Speaker 1: which is a good thing. Yeah, we haven't seen that

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Speaker 1: our hands on it. Yeah, So yeah, he's back out there.

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Speaker 1: You know, Hitchens didn't look like he was any worse

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Speaker 1: for the wear after playing his first game in about

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Speaker 1: six seven weeks. David Irving back out there, said yesterday

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Speaker 1: he was a little sore, which is understandable. Did not

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Speaker 1: see Tyrn Smith out there, so it looks like they're

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Speaker 1: giving him the week or week off. Yeah, just go

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Speaker 1: get that backward as right as you can. Yeah. And

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Speaker 1: other than that, it was just kind of a look

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Speaker 1: like a normal day out there, same as yesterday. And

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Speaker 1: this is Walter o'kin cry yes reporting live like a

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Speaker 1: cigarette some cigarette smoke going in the background. If you're

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Speaker 1: gonna do that, David yesterday though, we uh, some guys

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Speaker 1: we talked about yesterday on our show. We talked about

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Speaker 1: Nolan Carroll no longer part of the organization. Justin March

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Speaker 1: Lillard scouting report on Dallas Cowboys dot com. If you

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Speaker 1: care to see what the linebacker from the Chiefs, Dolphins

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Speaker 1: and Seahawks, what kind of work he had on film?

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Speaker 1: His name again brought us Justin March Lillard that he

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Speaker 1: play enough to have some work on film. He did

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Speaker 1: have enough. He was on film, So watched the preseason

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Speaker 1: from Kansas City this year. He actually special teams work

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Speaker 1: say it's week four, so he has He's not one

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Speaker 1: he's not the most consistent tackler. Hmm. That's what he

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Speaker 1: can run, and that's not what the special teams needs either. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he can run and he can get to where he

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Speaker 1: needs to be. He doesn't overrun plays all my reports

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Speaker 1: if he's the most consistent tackler. Let's see, we should

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Speaker 1: have kept what is Nasacha that that you know he

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Speaker 1: got signed off to practice squad? Yeah, signed away. This

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Speaker 1: would have been a spot you're looking. You're looking at

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Speaker 1: Can he stand up up up top of where the

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Speaker 1: gunners are and hold up all somebody? That's what Mickey loves.

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Speaker 1: Mickey wants somebody that could just jam a gunner into

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Speaker 1: even better. I'm not asking for a lot. Hey, thank

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Speaker 1: you for that segue because it broke down the special

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Speaker 1: I mean, did you see enough Mickey of Lewis Neal

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Speaker 1: because I'm a numbers guy. When he comes to young

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Speaker 1: You like it what he's saying about about young Neil. Hey,

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Speaker 1: We was successful no one hundred yard rushes and we're

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Speaker 1: you do is you David? Yeah? Davers is a specialist. Okay,

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Speaker 1: if they don't ever stop to run. I'm with you. Oh,

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Speaker 1: him every days. He's on that if if they if

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Speaker 1: Is that what the linebackers are struggling? I think it's

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Speaker 1: part of it, for sure. Well, part of it's also

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Speaker 1: taking I'm taking the approach that the the the leakage,

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Speaker 1: I certainly think that could help. And that's honestly. I

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Speaker 1: think a guy like Richard Ashe probably helps these guys

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Speaker 1: so David Irving sitting No no, no, no, no, no.

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Speaker 1: What I'm saying David, he'd be that one technique to

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Speaker 1: to Lee, I'll let you talk to Ron Marinelli. They're saying, man,

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Speaker 1: But Jalen has not been that guy being a physical limitation.

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Speaker 1: Our guys leaking on on him. He's not been that

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Speaker 1: things to be clean. If things are clean, shun of

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Speaker 1: Lee is hitting people in the backfield off game, Yeah don't.

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Speaker 1: I'm with you. He's trying to figure us out. How

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Speaker 1: of David Irving easy, he's a specialist to me, David,

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Speaker 1: to me, now you've said that short time. He's a specialist.

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Speaker 1: Lawrence and that's my leak. Everybody else is rolling. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's a fair. That's how I look at you know,

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Speaker 1: David Irvin is. But now when it becomes a pass

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Speaker 1: Of course, I want David Irvin in there, but first

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Speaker 1: it can be a run. You need guys to be

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Speaker 1: I would never steer you wrong. What Rob's never read

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Speaker 1: about the end zone? No, he has it, three or

427
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Speaker 1: four of them. I gotta start writing my own because

428
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Speaker 1: I get tired of reading these. Yeah, well, I just

429
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Speaker 1: thought I put him in front of you though, and

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Speaker 1: I we shuffled the deck and then yeah, Mickey, Rocky

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Speaker 1: usually picks hard. My end zone is well protected. They

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Speaker 1: of Papa Johns. You got the hanging with the Talking

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Speaker 1: Cowboys break Brian brought us Mickey Spagnola, Dave Hellman, and

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Speaker 1: Nate Newton. Um, I want to We're gonna maybe if

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Speaker 1: we have a chance to take some calls later in

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Speaker 1: the show that numbers two one, four, eight seven two

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Speaker 1: twenty one O two. Be nice to executive producer Kent

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Speaker 1: Garrison if you're calling in. But we will if we

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Speaker 1: can get some calls later on. But right now, I

442
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Speaker 1: want to get into a little Cowboys fill in the

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Speaker 1: blank with my guys, and I'll ask somebody a question

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Speaker 1: and then afterwards everybody else can have a shot at it.

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Speaker 1: And Mickey, I'll start with you since you're like me,

446
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Speaker 1: you're the older gentleman of the group. Jerry Jones, nicky,

447
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Speaker 1: Jerry Jones is pleased with blank about his team. I

448
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 1: would say he's pleased that he sees some young guys

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Speaker 1: on the come that they they were relying on. Some

450
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Speaker 1: of these guys, they may not be there yet, but

451
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Speaker 1: I think he sees a future in some of these dbs.

452
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Speaker 1: I think he sees a future in some of his

453
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Speaker 1: young defensive lineman. And I think, you know, from an

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Speaker 1: offensive standpoint, you know, he's got to be a static

455
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Speaker 1: with how the quarterbacks this team on his back. Dave Hellman,

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Speaker 1: he thought there on that same question. Yeah, just go

457
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Speaker 1: for it, just if you want to give a quick answer.

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Speaker 1: Mick kind of threw it in there at the end.

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Speaker 1: He's got to be very pleased with this quarterback right now,

460
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Speaker 1: because if you think about it, we're not out of

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Speaker 1: the woods. And the thought that you know, you parted

462
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Speaker 1: ways with your statistical leader in most of your passing categories,

463
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Speaker 1: put your trust than this fourth round kid. And he

464
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Speaker 1: had a bad day in Denver, but man, if he

465
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Speaker 1: hasn't been kicking butt for the last time, he looks

466
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Speaker 1: absolutely capable of putting this team on his back if

467
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Speaker 1: he might have to. He might have to. And and

468
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Speaker 1: it's encouraging. Uh. Four out of the five weeks of

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Speaker 1: the season he's played up to that level. He looks

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Speaker 1: really good. LYO Collins has to be pleased with Loo

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Speaker 1: Collins him playing at right tackle. Yeah, we got to

472
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Speaker 1: be because out of all the guys, when I look

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Speaker 1: at him, he has his moments, but it's been bad.

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Speaker 1: He's more good than bad. Yes, sir, he got to

475
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Speaker 1: be pleased with that because his officive line, I mean,

476
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Speaker 1: has been not the consistent thing we saw last year.

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Speaker 1: I got you then, I'm going to you with this one.

478
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Speaker 1: Jason Garrett should be concerned with this blank area of

479
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Speaker 1: his squad, his offensive line. Can I let you right

480
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Speaker 1: into that one? Yeah? They can they play with consistency?

481
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Speaker 1: Can they truly play with consistency? Mickey, I'll just stick

482
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Speaker 1: with my run defense, Dave. Well, you guys covered two

483
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: of the big ones. I'm about the about the safety play.

484
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Speaker 1: Just overall, the back end play. It's already to this

485
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Speaker 1: point in the season, it feels like we've seen more

486
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Speaker 1: chunk plays than we saw for most of last year.

487
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 1: Good cover guys and not good tackle guys. Chunk plays

488
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Speaker 1: that turns into touchdown. Absolutely, that is killing us. You

489
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Speaker 1: saw it in Denver. You saw it. Todd Gurley probably

490
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Speaker 1: exposed it the best of all, Aaron Rodgers. I'm willing

491
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Speaker 1: to give you a little more of a pass against

492
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Speaker 1: one of the best to ever do it. But uh,

493
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Speaker 1: these guys are still eating up yards. I'm reluctant to

494
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Speaker 1: call most of them good cover guys at this point.

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Speaker 1: I think they cover better than they tackle, though. Okay, Woods,

496
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Speaker 1: So it's how much Jones? How much different is it

497
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Speaker 1: than last year? Because Barry Church's contribution was close to

498
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Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage right eight, So that meant JJ

499
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Speaker 1: Wilcox was back there with Byron Jones and and Jeff

500
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Speaker 1: Heath was part of that, and um, well he's still

501
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: part of it. Yeah, No, I know, different role though, well,

502
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Speaker 1: still playing safety. I don't have this, but I don't

503
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Speaker 1: have that's a different role that'll make that that uh

504
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Speaker 1: playing more places, and that's that's I think that's what

505
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Speaker 1: smith Is always said, like m Smith. You know when

506
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Speaker 1: the guy took him at Smith plays and in US,

507
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 1: you know, you know that people didn't get him and

508
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Speaker 1: him and say there's one thing to running enough for

509
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Speaker 1: fifteen plays and running another thing and running up for

510
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Speaker 1: forty right, that's absolutely right. Yeah, So they were so

511
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Speaker 1: perfect in the twenty five plays they have. We talked

512
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Speaker 1: about it on the show. The twenty five plays for

513
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Speaker 1: Will costs were like, we don't need to see him, yeah, right,

514
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Speaker 1: might be that we've challenged with. Yeah, the fifteen or

515
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Speaker 1: twenty plays for for heat. So we were like, man,

516
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Speaker 1: we got it. This is you know, last last year's

517
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Speaker 1: defense was great at limiting it to an eighteen or

518
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Speaker 1: twenty yard game, and it seems like this year they've

519
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: had their problems with that work plays you let the

520
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Speaker 1: twenty yard game turned into a forty yard touchdown, etc.

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Speaker 1: I got you, David. If Stephen Jones slash Will McClay

522
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Speaker 1: could add a player at the trade deadline, he'd fill

523
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Speaker 1: this blank position. Oh man, um, if they were going

524
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Speaker 1: to make a trade right now, I would probably do

525
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Speaker 1: it for an offensive lineman guard specifically. But you're gonna

526
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Speaker 1: try and figure out you're gonna You've done enough with you,

527
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Speaker 1: You're done with the Jazz Green. I'm just thinking or

528
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Speaker 1: Iron Bell or Horror or a safety. I'll double down

529
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Speaker 1: on my last answer, but you think about it. A

530
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Speaker 1: Woozier playing safety now, if he can never get on

531
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Speaker 1: the field, that would be And I guess that plays

532
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Speaker 1: into my point though, which is what what is that

533
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Speaker 1: big hole that you have on your team that that

534
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Speaker 1: you can't fill already with the guys that are on

535
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Speaker 1: your roster. And I'm not saying that this roster is

536
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Speaker 1: perfect by any stretch of the imagination. But you present

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Speaker 1: me with a problem. I have a way to deal

538
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Speaker 1: with it. You know, linebacker has been bad. Sean Lee

539
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Speaker 1: and Anthony Hitchins are coming back from injury. I hope

540
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Speaker 1: that gets better. You can move Cheeto Woozier to safety.

541
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Speaker 1: You can plug Xavier Wood, you can play Xavier Woods more. Um,

542
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: you know what else am I? You know Bryce Butler

543
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: if you're not happy with Terrence Williams, you can bump

544
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: Bryce Butler or Noah Brown for that matter. Up the

545
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: receiver depth chart. You've got running backs who can fill

546
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Speaker 1: in for Zeke if you get suspended I have yet

547
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Speaker 1: to feel great about left guard for a variety of reasons,

548
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: and I don't think there's an answer on this team

549
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: that'll make me feel a lot better, Nicky. Do think

550
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: they've lost confidence in Chaz Green State, I don't know

551
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: able to get out there and play. I don't know

552
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: if they've lost confidence because Jonathan Cooper, I'm sorry, Yeah, No,

553
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: I think that they've lost I think you know, Nate,

554
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong, But spitting the bid on

555
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: a Friday afternoon getting ready for game week. You know,

556
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald, we all understand what that was all about.

557
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: But you know, you know what I'm saying, Yeah, that's

558
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Speaker 1: what I'm asking. Yeah, And if if you ask me

559
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: that in confidence, yes, I do. I think that they.

560
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: I think that they've lost confidence in him that to

561
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Speaker 1: say that, hey, we're going to see in this matchup.

562
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: We got you ready all week and you spit the

563
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: bit and he probably got hurt. I'm not saying he

564
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: didn't get hurt. He definitely got hurt. Yeah, But you know,

565
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: but we've seen Lineman play through stuff. We've seen he

566
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: was healthy enough to be active for that game exactly exactly?

567
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: Can you can you so going on what the questions.

568
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: Can you find somebody better than Byron Bell out there?

569
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. It might probably not. Yeah, and

570
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: well that and that's you know, I'm reluctant to talk

571
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: trades because ninety nine, Yeah, I said this on the break, Yes, right,

572
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: I was just saying, if a way to go, get

573
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Speaker 1: a guy that could help you. Right now, you're talking

574
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Speaker 1: about in house guys. But maybe you can't find that

575
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: in house guy. And you guys are saying left guard,

576
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Speaker 1: and I don't disagree with you guys. Other I mean,

577
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: that's the best answer I can come up with. Where

578
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: there aren't any good options that are already on the team.

579
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Speaker 1: They could. Let me just say this right quickly, like fellas,

580
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: we were soul Christmas came so nice last year to

581
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: have four name another offensive line that has four studs.

582
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: We had four studs. What we have now is what

583
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: the league norm. That's the league norm. R three good guys.

584
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: We got really three great guy but three good guys.

585
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: And the other two talked about wild Collins though, okay,

586
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: lyle Collins is a stud. I mean he was one

587
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: of the you know when they gave him Leary's job.

588
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: You know, and then he got hurt. Leary got the

589
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: job back. Uh, just thinking we just think we had

590
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: Leary and Lyle out of the right this case. Now

591
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: that now that begs my question here, would you consider

592
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: playing Lyle Collins back inside and then trying to find

593
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: no way? Now okay my right tackle? Yeah no, see

594
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: you you have to live with this. This is the league.

595
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,239
Speaker 1: This is the league. So so the left guard, well

596
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: they got to decide coming out of his break is

597
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: they got to look chas in his in his eyes,

598
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: his son, we need you? Are you are you going

599
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: to play? Are you with us? Are you not? That's

600
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: the question. That's a fair question. And people like, well, yeah,

601
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: Jimmy done me like that. Jimmy did a lot of players. Son,

602
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: we need you? Are you with us? Just simple question.

603
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: So what we need more than anything, it's for our

604
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: team defensively to stop the run. Yeah, if I had

605
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: to go ohead and get a guy, give me somebody

606
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: that can help this linebacking corps stop this run. Because

607
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: if we don't, every game is gonna be thirty five

608
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: or forty five. Oh he'll tell you that in our show.

609
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: He'll tell you got to score forty this week, you know,

610
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: and he's usually not wrong. Then maybe the answer to

611
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: the question is I need somebody that could play right

612
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: defensive end. Hey, that's that's not Let you play tyrone inside? Yeah,

613
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: let you play can tacko play some snaps inside? And

614
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: my crazy nickel is a nickel tackle? Maybe? Am I

615
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: crazy for wanting to see that? I keep saying that

616
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: nickel tackle? You know it bothers me more than anything.

617
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: And you know I'd rather knock this coaching staff. This

618
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: get as hard for me to knock this coaching staff.

619
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: But don't ever, please don't don't run around putting guys

620
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: all over the place doing training camp only for the

621
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: seat for the season to start, and we never see that. Yeah,

622
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: if you're gonna put guys all in the insights in

623
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: just in case, well when just in case pop up,

624
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: let's see him see Charleston. And this is old school

625
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: with me. This is just a problem I have. You

626
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: don't spend a number one asset on nobody's defense and

627
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: this guy is not on the field. Now. I understand

628
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: that we want to win, but play this young guy

629
00:33:54,640 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: played the safety. But they much better than than they

630
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: must They much better, but they understand what the coach.

631
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Speaker 1: I'm with him. Yeah, we we we saw him inside

632
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: doing training camp on the field. Okay, yeah, I mean

633
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: what is he playing about? Twenty plays a game. It's

634
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Speaker 1: it's it's it's well, he should play more than I

635
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Speaker 1: mark him on my on my chart every time I

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Speaker 1: watch tape and I'm mark him where he comes into

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Speaker 1: and there's some big gaps, big gaps, and see like,

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Speaker 1: all right, you're probably not gonna get us killed here

639
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Speaker 1: go yeah, out there and show what you can do.

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Speaker 1: All right, But that's one of those things when they're

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Speaker 1: first and ten p M. Put him in, all right,

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Speaker 1: mean if he's not in there, we begetting killed. Yeah, yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: I not. I mean Mayoa has a drill. Oh no,

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Speaker 1: that's that's fair. Yea, all fair. Mickey Blank has played

645
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Speaker 1: better than I ever expected this season, ever expected already.

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Speaker 1: M hmm. That's a that's wow, that's I'll get I'll

647
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Speaker 1: give you one. That's okay, make you well ahead ahead, yeah,

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Speaker 1: jump in. It might help me out. I mean, when

649
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: did you ever need looking back? Better than expected? I had.

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Speaker 1: I had high hopes for him coming out of the spring,

651
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Speaker 1: but for a guy that didn't practice at all in

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Speaker 1: the summer. Jordan Lewis is better than I could have

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Speaker 1: expected that a rookie would be. Wow. Sweet yeah, Sordan

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Speaker 1: Lewis now dak back exactly yet to be good. I'd expect,

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Speaker 1: not for us not to have had If our running

656
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Speaker 1: game was in tach and this kid could be who

657
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Speaker 1: he was, protection, it would be all. It would no

658
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Speaker 1: doubt in my mind, we would be at least uh

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Speaker 1: or four and one five and oh if if we

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Speaker 1: would have had a running game because it's playing well.

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00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: I mean, this dude doesn't. Wow, he didn't did some

662
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Speaker 1: backyard stuff man that we never would have thought that

663
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: he should. That's a good point considering how the run

664
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Speaker 1: game isn't working it used to. I'll go with Dave. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I searched and Lewis man, I was somewhat skeptical. We

666
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: didn't know. I didn't like his size, and all that

667
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: I was told was he will play better than his size.

668
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: He makes plays on the ball, and that's what he's gone.

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Speaker 1: Laughing at the irony there no no, because last year

670
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Speaker 1: when we was doing this show and I brought up

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Speaker 1: this kid, nay that they like he told me that

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Speaker 1: they liked him. Yeah, and I said, man, and I

673
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Speaker 1: looked at him, my red up one him living. I

674
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Speaker 1: even spoke to you. And the next day I come

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Speaker 1: back and said, man, this kid make you play like.

676
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 1: I hate his height. I don't want a short DV.

677
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, here we go. Nicky wanted Kevin King.

678
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: Francis has worked my opinion on Shiit quarter day ago. Yeah, Nate, Yes, sir,

679
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 1: Blank is how I would describe this Cowboys running game. Inconsistent.

680
00:36:53,320 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: He's inconsistent. That's it. Dave disappointing, Wow, Dave really disappointing.

681
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Speaker 1: And that's I know how crazy that sounds. Because they're running.

682
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: They're running for buck sixty, buck eighty. You know, they're

683
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: they're running the ball. It ain't it ain't good enough

684
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: and it ain't up to we we are. But you

685
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Speaker 1: know what you did it once? Oh sure, and honestly,

686
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Speaker 1: And also I keep saying this and I'm gonna say

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Speaker 1: it till I'm blue in the face. They will only

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Speaker 1: be the team that they want to be, i e.

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Speaker 1: A playoff team and a super Bowl contender when they

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Speaker 1: get back to that level where they're running. And it

691
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Speaker 1: will because that's how you keep your defense off the field,

692
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Speaker 1: keep your defense from hurting you. That's how you limit

693
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Speaker 1: your quarterback having to carry the game, which not by

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Speaker 1: no fault of his own, increases the likelihood that he

695
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: makes mistakes just because he's having to do more stuff

696
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: they're not. They will probably be a mediocre team as

697
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: long as their running game is operating it. The running

698
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: game can't do anything to stop a Packer fourteen play drive.

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00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: I'm just saying running game is at some point the

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00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: defense has to get off the field. But how would

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Speaker 1: you describe the running game? I mean miss firing spark plug.

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Speaker 1: There you go. I like that champion spark plug. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna take our final break for my man, Ken't Garrison.

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Speaker 1: we're back here in the SWBC Mortgage studios. Brian brought

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Speaker 1: us Mickey Spagnola, David Hellman, Nate Newton. M'm gonna finish

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Speaker 1: up this fill in the blanks. I got a couple more.

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Speaker 1: I think they'll make us think a little bit. I

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Speaker 1: like I like the dialogue that everybody's talking about, and

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Speaker 1: start back with you David Hellman, because you brought this

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00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: up during the break. If I had to play Terrence

772
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: Williams or Bryce Butler Moore, I'd play blank. I'd probably

773
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Speaker 1: stick with what it is because and not. I don't

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00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 1: mean that as a compliment to Terrence, because he has

775
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: been frustratingly inconsistent even by his standards, especially these last

776
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Speaker 1: two weeks. I mean, huge, huge plays in both games

777
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 1: in a bad way. But hasn't the knock on Bryce

778
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,439
Speaker 1: been very similar? I mean it's funny now finishing. Yeah,

779
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 1: it's funny now because he had a great day in

780
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: Phoenix and he was very He's He's had a great

781
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: month really Phoenix. He scored a touchdown against the Rams's,

782
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,720
Speaker 1: he made a couple of big catches against the Packers.

783
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Speaker 1: He started his season off with two or three horrendous drops. Right,

784
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: these are these guys are both they are what they are.

785
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: To borrow a line from Nate, They're both talented but

786
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: inconsistent receivers. Terrence is at least useful as a blocker

787
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: and can do other things like that away from the ball.

788
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: So I mean, I'm not thrilled with the way Terrence

789
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 1: is playing, but I'm fine leaving him where he's at,

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Speaker 1: because I don't think Bryce is that much of an

791
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: improvement either. Mickey six and one half a dozen to

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Speaker 1: the other. Yeah, that's pretty you don't have No, it's

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00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 1: just it's two guys, the similar guys. If there were

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00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: similar types of games, guys, what to say? Six and

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Speaker 1: one half a dozen and some of my eggs, right, Yeah,

796
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: and then when one crack, you just bring bring it

797
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: back and just get the other six out there. I mean,

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00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: I mean they're not perfect. They aren't perfect, neither one.

799
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Speaker 1: They're gonna have their drops, they also make their plays. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So I think do you feel better about one over

801
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: the other? No? If I did, i'd be advocating for it.

802
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,439
Speaker 1: And I know you sound everybody's. I take a little

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00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: bit of issue with Mick right there, just because to

804
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 1: be to be this offense's number two receiver for four

805
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 1: years and to still be having miscus like what we've

806
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: seen from Terrence these last two weeks. That's that's more

807
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 1: than saying he's not perfect. That's like, come on, man,

808
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: help me out, help me help you. Well, you're not

809
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 1: trying to. You don't replace Dez When he drops a

810
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: pass and he's had drops this year. Sure that has

811
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: made plenty of mistakes, but he has repaid those with

812
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: great plays over seven. Yeah, right here, fellas, when I

813
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: look at other guys number two's and I just need more.

814
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: I just need just a little bit more, not not

815
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Speaker 1: much more, just a little bit more. I mean, I'm

816
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 1: always up. The other thing is and is when your

817
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: quarterback needs you to most as when you got to

818
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 1: come up right, it's it's quality, not on. Yeah, because

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Speaker 1: if you want to be considered a special guy, you know,

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Speaker 1: it ain't but one Julio Jones. It ain't but one Brown.

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Speaker 1: But they got guys around them that when they quarterback,

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Speaker 1: when they're doubling, their quarterback need them most, boom they

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Speaker 1: and they're there. And uh, that's what That's the only

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825
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Speaker 1: Weedon and the other guy House was here and they

826
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: was trying to force this ball to this kid. I

827
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Speaker 1: mean I was, I was raking them over the colds.

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Speaker 1: But you know, me and Mick was talking one day,

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Speaker 1: said they he is what he is. Yeah, And then

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Speaker 1: that's when I backed up because he's not a number

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Speaker 1: one and he's really shouldn't be your second option, just

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Speaker 1: just my let me ask you this, and he really isn't. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you think about it. Yeah about the fourth option. Let

834
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Speaker 1: me ask you this though, is the receivers do they

835
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Speaker 1: fall into that same group we've talked about the inconsistencies

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Speaker 1: with offensive line and things like that. The situation has

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Speaker 1: gotten them the situation like like hellman say, if they

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Speaker 1: want to be who they want to be and they

839
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Speaker 1: want to go somewhere, they'll have to run the ball.

840
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Speaker 1: Because I used to tell Mick our Beasley's best friend

841
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Speaker 1: used to be deads, but now they didn't figured out

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Speaker 1: they don't have to cover and we cover deaths with

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Speaker 1: one guy. Let's let's just go out there and seek

844
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 1: a heat, make a play, and we'll bracking up this

845
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,919
Speaker 1: little guy in the middle, and we'll get this once

846
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: we get it. Once we get uh and we're open field. Yeah,

847
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: we ain't gonna beat us in open field. We get

848
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: down in the red zone, he'll beat you. And now

849
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: we'll bracking him up too. So they crowd up the

850
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: middle and they ask for dads to whoop them. Yeah,

851
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: you know, I think for you know, the narrative was

852
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: that these this Receiver Corp has been together for going

853
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: on three years now, and they've been working with Dak.

854
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: They were healthy all offseason, and I get that, you know,

855
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: obviously the struggles with the running game play into that,

856
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: but I need more, man like brother. For as complimentary

857
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: as we were throughout the offseason, I'm not willing to

858
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: just chalk it up as well, they got to run

859
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: the ball better like these I need more from them.

860
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: And that's I don't even I don't need Terrence Williams

861
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 1: to be this amazing playmaker. I just need him to

862
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: not drop a ball that turns into a pick six

863
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: in his own red zone. And it's little stuff like that.

864
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,479
Speaker 1: I'm with you. At some point, you're passing game gonna

865
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: have to gonna have to win a game. And it

866
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,919
Speaker 1: looked like we had an opportunity last week where you're

867
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: passing was gonna have to win a game. But the

868
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: consistency of our running game, We'll get you for a half,

869
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, we we we got

870
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: Dak running around back. They're spending out doing all these

871
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: great and I just said on this show that the

872
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: running game is the key to their success. But if

873
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 1: the running games struggling. You gotta pay help me out, man.

874
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 1: But you get But but and I hate to say

875
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,040
Speaker 1: this because we in the middle of a season and

876
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: there's nobody else out there. But that's where your horse

877
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: isn't And I'm not not no cold b I'm talking

878
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: my up. Yeah, I'm serious. I don't disagree. Kind of

879
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: segues to my question to Mickey. Mickey, fans are too

880
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: quick to judge Blank as a player. As a player, Yeah,

881
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: I don't thought you were going to say, as a

882
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: team who have the judged fans are too quick to

883
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: judge this Blank as a player. I can step in

884
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:35,919
Speaker 1: again if Micky, I'm sick of this. I'm I'm sick

885
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: of of of hearing about Jayalen Smith and what a

886
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: bad player he is. And honestly, uh wow, really hearing this?

887
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 1: Can you know what I'm saying is people saying that.

888
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: I guess I can't answer this because I stay off

889
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 1: Twitter all week. I hate I hate the way and

890
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: fans go at you. It's so frustrating to see because

891
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 1: all through the spring in the summer, we were very cautious,

892
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: weren't we about expectations for Jalan Smith about what that

893
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 1: means about the step by step and this many snaps,

894
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: and he handled all that really well. He handled it

895
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: probably better than anybody expected, to the point where we

896
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: were all really impressed and really excited. But that turns

897
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 1: into this hype train that you know, he's ready to

898
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: be an all pro player, and that was never true.

899
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 1: He was a surprisingly well adapted guy considering what he

900
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: was coming from. And you know, when he got to

901
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: play thirty five snaps against the New York Giants, he

902
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: looked pretty good right playing alongside Sean Lee Mike and then,

903
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: for various reasons, injuries being a big part of it,

904
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, he's playing seventy. Yeah, he's not

905
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: ready for that, and especially without again not having Sean Lee,

906
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 1: he's not ready. Instinctually, he's not ready for the speed.

907
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: I don't care what anybody says. He's not ready. From

908
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: a health standpoint, he's clearly ready to play, and they're

909
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: not putting on the field because he's not health it's

910
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 1: clearly ready to play, and he can do some things well,

911
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: but he is not recovered to the point that he

912
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 1: is that freakish athlete from Notre Dame. He's just not

913
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: and I think he still can be. He definitely still

914
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,919
Speaker 1: can be. And that's why even going back to week

915
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: one and week two, you're saying, what's still really exciting

916
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: about this is what it means for twenty eighteen and

917
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. And obviously he's played a lot more snaps

918
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: than I think most people expected. His shortcomings have been exposed.

919
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean he's a bad player or a wasted pick.

920
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: It just means that this is a long process. So

921
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 1: to see people really coming at him like he's this

922
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 1: terrible player has has pissed me off. So that's the guy,

923
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 1: because I guess I haven't seen that it's out, but

924
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: you're you're probably right. And I always thought twenty eighteen

925
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 1: was going to be his sure me just this was

926
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: kind of a glorified red shirt here for him. He's

927
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: going to play a little. No one expected him to

928
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 1: be a starter and play fifty sixty plays a game.

929
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: Let's see, that's the situation. See that that's and that's

930
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:08,399
Speaker 1: what That's what every time man Brods looked at him

931
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: in preseason, I kept saying, I hope they just practiced

932
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 1: him a lot and give him five or six snaps

933
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 1: a game. Don't don't do him like this because I

934
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 1: have been a Dallas cowboy and I know the hype

935
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: train that comes with it, and then if you fall

936
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: short all of a sudden, it's a disaster, you know.

937
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,399
Speaker 1: And this guy and that's why I had I still

938
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: don't have any expectations for this kid. His kid's gonna

939
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: be all right, but until they cut down on his

940
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 1: snaps and let him see what he can't even digest

941
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: from week to week, what's happening to him? Right? Just bye, yeah,

942
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: I think can help him. Yes, that bacause I sensed

943
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: him getting frustrated. Not publicly, right yeah, but on the field.

944
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: Right there was frustration because he's in his body language

945
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: because you're right, you're right, you know you know what,

946
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 1: because his brain saying I should have been there. His

947
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: brain is Tennis. Well, he's seen it, he knows his mind.

948
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: He goes I made this play a cover of times

949
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 1: in my life. How did I saw one time dude

950
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 1: shook him and when he got over that to him,

951
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: when he finally got caught up to him, he stood

952
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: over him. He's just looking. I'm saying to myself, son,

953
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 1: just bear with it, just just get through it. You know, uh,

954
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 1: this one time. It just is this was not a

955
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: fair situation for him. Yeah, you know what, I think

956
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: people have overlooked what Nate said earlier about Lele Collins. Yeah.

957
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 1: I think they've been pretty hard on him that you're

958
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: just gonna pick up and go play a position he

959
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 1: hadn't played since lsue. Yeah, and and not misslebeat And

960
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 1: I see him getting better and better. He's still not there,

961
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: but he's getting better. Yes, he is. And and and

962
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: that's a that's a tough transition, especially when, as Nate

963
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: pointed out in training camp, when you're left handed and

964
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: then you're trying to punch what you're right dam Yeah

965
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 1: he brought it, So that's not noticing it like, wow,

966
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: you can't hit Nobody was right? Yeah, you know it

967
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: just we we we That's why I love being a

968
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 1: cowboy man. It's depending I can't the thing. The blade's

969
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,240
Speaker 1: gonna swing both well, let me, I'll give you an example.

970
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 1: And I was guilty of this. Kent Norton Junior. Yes,

971
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: his first couple of years, it was like wrong defense

972
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,439
Speaker 1: and white can't play, can't play, and he was hurt

973
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden ninety one shows up

974
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,720
Speaker 1: and then ninety two shows up and all of a sudden,

975
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 1: this guy's a pro bowler. Right, Sometimes guys take longer,

976
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:38,879
Speaker 1: and he was a second round pick now. Yeah, yeah,

977
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 1: it takes guys maybe a little long. Everybody's not on

978
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: the same plateau of right. And he came around and

979
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: look what he became, you know, even though coordinator for

980
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,399
Speaker 1: the Raiders. Yeah, how about that? Yeah, did a really

981
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: good job and looking just like his daddy. Right, Yeah,

982
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:57,359
Speaker 1: I need to hit that chance. See if he got

983
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 1: all right, We've we've got a couple more minutes left

984
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,720
Speaker 1: here in the show. We've got a break early because

985
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: we've got to get out and get locker room joke

986
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: and care no good guy to pick? Oh yeah, we

987
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: gotta pick, can't do We have anybody on the phone

988
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 1: line that's uh that's tried to call us at two

989
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 1: one four eight seven two twenty one O two. I

990
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: have a caller right now, and give me one second

991
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: to put them on. Okay, well Kent does that? No,

992
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 1: thank you. Guys has some really good answers there for

993
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: what we were trying to do. And I thought a

994
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: lot of different opinions there, but the Jalen Smith. One

995
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:32,879
Speaker 1: that makes a lot of sense at the end because

996
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: I'm seen the same thing. Ken, Who do you got?

997
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: Robin Vegas joining us, Robin las Vegas, welcome, my friend.

998
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: What do you got? Hey? Everybody believe it or not.

999
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: I was one of the guys that said I thought

1000
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith was a wasted second round pick. Yeah, but

1001
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: not a wasted pick. A wasted second round pick when

1002
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: you're picking at number thirty four, you need a guy

1003
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 1: to come in immediately and help this team, especially on

1004
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 1: defense where this team needs the most help. If you

1005
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 1: could have did this all over again, would you have

1006
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: chosen him at number thirty four? Well? I think uh,

1007
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 1: thanks Rod for the calling and our thoughts with you

1008
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: guys out there as you get your lives back together.

1009
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I mean, you can go back and find

1010
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,839
Speaker 1: hours and hours of tape of Brian broad Us saying

1011
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 1: he didn't agree with the pick and he wouldn't have

1012
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: made that. No. Um, that was two drafts ago. Emmanuel

1013
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 1: Ogbo went off the board right before James Kevin Dodd

1014
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,359
Speaker 1: went off right before that was two they were looking

1015
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 1: at I mean, yeah, Jay, I was stunned when they

1016
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: picked Jalen Smith. Um, so I don't remember who was

1017
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: available for them to take, do you, Brian, Well, they

1018
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,399
Speaker 1: could have took the lineback Miles Jack was my guy there.

1019
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,399
Speaker 1: But yeah, they that, and they were going to take

1020
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: spins the Noah spin right because they knew too much

1021
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: of and and so yeah, that gets into the thing

1022
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 1: where you're saying, you know, I would have taken this

1023
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: guy that the run office never would have taken. Sure,

1024
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 1: And you can argue that to absolutely they knew what

1025
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 1: they wanted to do and they did it. If I

1026
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: could go back me personally, I probably would not draft

1027
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith. But that bed has long ago. And not

1028
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,399
Speaker 1: only that, but now that he's now that you've spent

1029
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: the resource, why are you trying to close the door

1030
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 1: on right? Um, He's made a remarkable amount of progress.

1031
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 1: And I said this and I still believe it. I

1032
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: said it before the season started, you know, through training

1033
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: camp and probably up until week one when he looked

1034
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 1: really good playing a smaller amount of snaps. I have

1035
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: a lot of confidence, and people who know a lot

1036
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: more than me about football have a lot of confidence

1037
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 1: that he can become that absolutely, and and it's hard

1038
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:44,800
Speaker 1: for me to argue that seeing the amount of progress

1039
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 1: that he's made just since May of this year. UM,

1040
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 1: I think the answer for the guy is asked me

1041
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: this same time next year. Yeah, we always kind of thought, Ny.

1042
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: You hate to say, he was the second round draft

1043
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,320
Speaker 1: choice that you had to wait three years for, but

1044
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,280
Speaker 1: they knew that, Yeah, they did. This is not a surprise.

1045
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 1: Well that music means sounds like he's gotta go, he's

1046
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: gotta player pick if you'd have one off just last right,

1047
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 1: there you go, all right, Mickey, Thanks, Thanks David Hellman,

1048
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: Thanks Snate, Nowton Kid, what's up broadcast? What the hell

1049
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: hanging with? We'll be back on Monday. Take care, everybody.

1050
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 1: This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

1051
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:25,640
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