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Speaker 2: October seventh, twenty fifteen, from Comedy Central's World News headquarters
Speaker 2: in New York. This is the Daily Show with Trevor Noah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: welcome to the Day Show with Tremanoa.
Speaker 3: That's me our guest tonight.
Speaker 2: The director of the new documentary Winter on Fire, Ukraine's
Speaker 2: fight for freedom, Yevgeny Afanyevski, is here joining us.
Speaker 3: Yevany Afski give Ronald clause.
Speaker 4: We'll know I'm soon enough.
Speaker 2: But first, the GOP race is heating up. Donald Trump
Speaker 2: is still in the lead with twenty five percent in
Speaker 2: the polls, but right behind him, right behind him and
Speaker 2: gaining ground, is this man.
Speaker 5: Because I'm very concerned about the future of our children.
Speaker 5: I've watched politicians today, of course, you know, I prepare
Speaker 5: every day and I'm learning more things every day.
Speaker 3: Ah.
Speaker 2: Ben Carson for people who like Donald Trump's ideas but
Speaker 2: hate his charm and charisma. Ben Carson is like the
Speaker 2: drug free cocaine for people who don't want to get high,
Speaker 2: but just like snorting white powders. But it turns out
Speaker 2: that even the doctor's calm has become too crazy for some.
Speaker 2: You see yesterday Ben Carson was asked how he would
Speaker 2: respond if a gunman liked the one in the Oregon
Speaker 2: shooting confronted him and it didn't go well.
Speaker 6: Rising GOP star doctor Ben Carson is under fire after
Speaker 6: making controversial comments about gun control.
Speaker 5: I would not just stand there and then them shoot me.
Speaker 5: I would say, hey, guys, everybody attack him. He may
Speaker 5: shoot me, but he can't get us on take again.
Speaker 3: I don't get it.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: What I also don't get is that Ben Carson renny
Speaker 2: thinks that he could rally people against a mass shooter.
Speaker 2: I think he's overestimating how inspiring his presence might be.
Speaker 3: You're gonna shoot me. Hey, guys, listen up.
Speaker 2: I need you all to rally behind my charismatic presence
Speaker 2: and charge with me in a certain death.
Speaker 1: Who's with a.
Speaker 2: Look In Corson's defense, though he may have been caught off,
Speaker 2: God given time to think, I'm sure he'd clarify what
Speaker 2: he meant that.
Speaker 7: What needs clarification do you?
Speaker 6: I guess there's an implication that you're saying that the
Speaker 6: students do enough to save themselves.
Speaker 5: No, I just said nothing about that.
Speaker 7: I said what I would.
Speaker 5: I would ask everybody to attack the gunman because he
Speaker 5: can only shoot one of us at a time.
Speaker 7: That way, we don't all wind up dead.
Speaker 2: Well, when you put it that way, it is pretty funny.
Speaker 3: Everyone is not dead. I don't understand this guy.
Speaker 2: Chastising victims of shooting for what you assume was their
Speaker 2: cowardice is what most normal candidates would consider a gaff.
Speaker 3: But I will admit Ben Carson does practice.
Speaker 2: What he preaches, because even though the media kept taking
Speaker 2: shots at him, he kept charging into those interviews.
Speaker 8: The accusation there, doctor Carson, is that you appeared tone deaf,
Speaker 8: and that you seemed callous in the laughter about a
Speaker 8: massacre and what you would have done.
Speaker 5: Now, I'm laughing at them and their silliness, the people
Speaker 5: asking that question. If you sit there and let him
Speaker 5: shoot you one by one, you're all going to be dead.
Speaker 2: Let him shoot you? What do you mean, let him
Speaker 2: shoot you? What do you rarely expect the victims to do?
Speaker 2: Like Ben Carson? I don't understand this. This guy would
Speaker 2: make the worst hostage negotiat to EVA.
Speaker 9: All right, sir, I need you to stay calm and
Speaker 9: put your gun down.
Speaker 3: Everyone else Russia Russiam now.
Speaker 9: Russia, Russia how many people are dead. Oh, at least
Speaker 9: it wasn't everyone.
Speaker 2: There's also a few other things that Cosson would like
Speaker 2: to change.
Speaker 6: You said that you'd be very comfortable if kindergarten teachers
Speaker 6: had guns in the classroom.
Speaker 5: All kindergarten teachers, I said, people who are trained.
Speaker 2: You want to train.
Speaker 5: I want that teacher trained in diversionary tactics.
Speaker 2: Who are you? Who are you?
Speaker 3: And how do you think that this is an education policy?
Speaker 2: This is not an education policy. Kindergarten teachers can ben
Speaker 2: handle a room full of five year olds, and now
Speaker 2: you want them to be Navy seals like Maddox. I
Speaker 2: asked you twice to stop pulling Chelsea's hair. Now you
Speaker 2: get a flash bangrenade.
Speaker 9: Get on the ground, Get on the ground.
Speaker 3: It's naptime, movels.
Speaker 2: Well, there's a reason why Coston thinks it's up to
Speaker 2: the victims to reduce gun violence, because for him, there's
Speaker 2: something much scarier than a mass shooting.
Speaker 8: In a Facebook question an answer session, he wrote, there
Speaker 8: is no doubt that this senseless violence is breathtaking, But
Speaker 8: I never saw a body with bullet holes that was
Speaker 8: more devastating than taking the right to arm ourselves away.
Speaker 2: Wow, this guy must have been the least popular neurosurgeon
Speaker 2: to work with in that hospital. Seventeen year old white male,
Speaker 2: multiple gunshot wounds.
Speaker 3: This is the worst I've ever seen. Actually, you know
Speaker 3: what would be worse? God, damn Carson.
Speaker 2: This is not that timeless second Amendment Again.
Speaker 3: It's just shocking.
Speaker 2: That's such a smart man, a brain surgeon could have
Speaker 2: this kind of perspective rushing a gun man.
Speaker 3: It seems crazy.
Speaker 2: I mean, the only time that I've seen at work
Speaker 2: is in one situation. Yeah, it's weird that Ben Carson
Speaker 2: would think a zombie strategy would be the way to go.
Speaker 2: Unless wait a second, slow languid pace, dead eyes, loves brains.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, this explains everything.
Speaker 2: Ben Carson is a zombie.
Speaker 3: Come on, miss.
Speaker 2: We turned to our senior campaign correspondent Dasilnik. Everybody, Jasie,
Speaker 2: what's the mood tonight in Oregon?
Speaker 6: Well, Trevor, As you can imagine, people are devastating. They're confused, frustrated.
Speaker 3: That obviously makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 6: Right, They're frustrated that the victims never thought of the
Speaker 6: obvious solution, rushing the gunman. It was so simple. Yet
Speaker 6: it took a brain surgeon to think of it.
Speaker 2: Whoa deasi?
Speaker 3: We're talking about rushing into a barriage of bullets? Would
Speaker 3: that really work?
Speaker 6: Tell you what, Let's look at the alternative, a little
Speaker 6: hostage situation that took place in Los Angeles where the
Speaker 6: hostages didn't rush the terrorists.
Speaker 3: I don't actually think I heard about this.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, they took over a whole skyscraper. So it
Speaker 6: fell to a lone wolf New York cop with a
Speaker 6: wise cracking attitude, no shoes, and he single handedly had
Speaker 6: to take on those vaguely European terrasts.
Speaker 3: DESI, is that die Hodge?
Speaker 6: Those cowardly hostages just sat there, Trevor, waiting for someone
Speaker 6: toy yit be kaye them to safety.
Speaker 3: DESI, that's a movie.
Speaker 2: What Ben is suggesting is a fantasy.
Speaker 6: Fantasy. Ben Carson is the only realist in this conversation. Look,
Speaker 6: he knows gun control is off the table, and since
Speaker 6: we can't control the guns, we can at least control
Speaker 6: the victim's reaction to the guns. We've all heard this
Speaker 6: saying guns don't kill people. People shot by guns who
Speaker 6: don't rush the guys shooting them kill people.
Speaker 3: I just don't get a daisi.
Speaker 2: How can stopping a mass shooting be the victim's responsibility.
Speaker 6: Look, this is the world we live in. If you
Speaker 6: don't wake up in the morning ready to be a
Speaker 6: human shield, just stay home, okay. Look, otherwise you're putting
Speaker 6: everyone around you at risk of being shot by a
Speaker 6: bullet that you could have blocked.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Deasi Couson's comments just seem so callous right now.
Speaker 6: Hey, hey, don't shoot the messenger, although that would be
Speaker 6: your right.
Speaker 3: So you think ben Causon was correct, then what?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 6: I think he's that crazy. But at least he's offering solutions,
Speaker 6: and not just for guns. Take tornadoes, we should just
Speaker 6: rush them, clog them up with our bodies until they
Speaker 6: slow down and fall over. Ben Carson has got solutions
Speaker 6: for everything. Give me a problem, Trevor.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Uh, climate change, grow.
Speaker 6: Gills, stomach cancer, get lung cancer.
Speaker 2: Okay, here's the problem, Ben Carson.
Speaker 6: Oh No, there's no stopping him unless a big enough
Speaker 6: group of people all rushed him at once. No, No,
Speaker 6: that would never work.
Speaker 3: Does he like everyone? We'll be right back, Thank you, jus.
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Speaker 2: Technology It's what separates us from the monkeys, and to
Speaker 2: maintain that competitive edge, we have to stay on on
Speaker 2: top of the latest trends. Here to help is one
Speaker 2: of The Daily Show's newest members, Senior Technology Correspondence RUnni Shang. Everyone,
Speaker 2: thanks Trevors.
Speaker 7: For decades we've been hearing about virtual reality, the immersive
Speaker 7: computer simulator technology that could help us do incredible things
Speaker 7: like perform surgery from across the country or seduce giant
Speaker 7: blue cheetah women. Now, after billions of dollars in research
Speaker 7: and development, virtual reality is finally ready to show us
Speaker 7: what it can do.
Speaker 4: Imagine you are at a performance of the Los Angeles
Speaker 4: Philharmonic Orchestra, but not in the audience. Instead, you're in
Speaker 4: the middle of the action. That's the experience the La
Speaker 4: phil want to bring to the world with the new
Speaker 4: virtual reality app.
Speaker 7: Yeah, a classical music concert.
Speaker 3: Great.
Speaker 7: Now I get to be bought out my mind from
Speaker 7: the comfort of my own home. I can't wait until
Speaker 7: they come out with a virtual reality flight delay simulator.
Speaker 7: Oh cool? What tenphin line for takeoff? I guess I'll
Speaker 7: just take all this CROSSI the puzzle in this virtual
Speaker 7: inflight magazine. Oh someone already filled it out with pen
Speaker 7: What a virtual dick. Come on, science, this is virtual reality.
Speaker 7: We can go anywhere. How about one way you can
Speaker 7: travel around the world and I don't know, go deep
Speaker 7: sea diving. And your dad says he's proud of you.
Speaker 7: You know, the possibilities are endless.
Speaker 2: Oh wait, wait, Ronnie, what did you say about your dad?
Speaker 7: Unfortunately, Trevor, the current options for virtual travel are a
Speaker 7: little underwhelming.
Speaker 6: Hotel giant Marriott is getting in on the action, using
Speaker 6: VR technology to showcase their properties.
Speaker 3: Let's let's take a trip to chen Wow.
Speaker 9: So on square.
Speaker 3: This dude's right in front of me talking.
Speaker 4: I'm don't say, he's got some breadsticks right in front
Speaker 4: of me.
Speaker 2: There's a gentle wind blowing, and I know that from
Speaker 2: the flag above me.
Speaker 3: Ah, my tourists coming to it end.
Speaker 7: Yeah great. I've always wanted to go to China and
Speaker 7: stand there for ten seconds.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I saw the flag, I saw the sidewalk, I saw
Speaker 7: the great dude of China. I don't know, it's like
Speaker 7: I don't have to go anymore, but you.
Speaker 3: Know what, RUNI It seemed pretty impressive to me. It
Speaker 3: looked like you could reach out and touch that guy.
Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly, it's just some guy that's.
Speaker 3: Not my dad. Why would your dad's, Trevor.
Speaker 7: It's not all fun and games, all right. There are
Speaker 7: also practical applications for virtual reality.
Speaker 4: Virtual reality has been tried before in football.
Speaker 3: It has never worked until now.
Speaker 1: There are limits in college on how much time players
Speaker 1: can spend on the field.
Speaker 2: There are no limits to how much time they can
Speaker 2: spend alone with a virtual reality headset.
Speaker 8: We did it.
Speaker 7: We found another way to exploit college athletes. That's right, Yeah,
Speaker 7: now they can take a break from football practice with
Speaker 7: more football practice. Come on, these guys get enough football already.
Speaker 7: They should be using virtual reality to experience something they'll
Speaker 7: never get to see, like a paycheck from the NCAA.
Speaker 2: Oh, Ronnie, I mean it sounds like nothing's good enough
Speaker 2: for you man.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I know, now, I know how my dad feels.
Speaker 7: Am I right? But actually that's not completely true. There
Speaker 7: is one kind of virtual reality that I think we
Speaker 7: can all appreciate. I'll give you a hint. It rhymes
Speaker 7: with corn and you can joke off to it.
Speaker 3: Chris, when you.
Speaker 2: Thought the multi billion dollar porn business couldn't get any bigger,
Speaker 2: enter virtual reality you can head over to the Gentlemen's
Speaker 2: Club and you can go on stage to give a
Speaker 2: pole dance.
Speaker 3: If you get a lap dance, the girl is, you know,
Speaker 3: right on your.
Speaker 7: Lap and she's moving and gyrating.
Speaker 3: The experiences is remarkably real.
Speaker 7: Yeah, finally, this is what virtual reality should be.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Check out those geometric curves, so hard and angular, Ronnie, I.
Speaker 2: Don't understand why you're getting so excited about these graphics.
Speaker 2: I mean, why not just watch real people have sex
Speaker 2: on video?
Speaker 7: Well, sure, that'd be great, and hopefully we'll live to
Speaker 7: see the day where that technology is possible. But you
Speaker 7: know whatever, I was so inspired by the potential of
Speaker 7: virtual reality that I went out and I made my
Speaker 7: own program, one that I think could even be more
Speaker 7: popular than porn. Check it out.
Speaker 2: I know I don't say this much, but I love you, son.
Speaker 3: I'm so proud of you. Let's go stand in China together.
Speaker 2: Dads, want to check everyone, We'll be right back.
Speaker 3: It's okay. Take the buggles off, want to take.
Speaker 1: Welcome back.
Speaker 2: My guest tonight is a filmmaker and he has a
Speaker 2: new documentary for Netflix called Winter on Fire. Please welcome
Speaker 2: Yevgeny Afrnyevski.
Speaker 3: All I wanted to do was get your name right.
Speaker 3: That's what I was going for, and you did it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I practice, I practiced, Jenny Avinyevsky. I like it. It's Russian. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: So this is a confusing story for me from the beginning.
Speaker 2: I mean, the documentary is easy to understand, but I
Speaker 2: want to know a bit about you and how you
Speaker 2: got into this.
Speaker 1: So Russian born, Israeli raised American as of.
Speaker 2: Now living in La yep, how did you come to
Speaker 2: make this film? I mean, this is a crazy story
Speaker 2: about ninety three day period fighting, you know, the president
Speaker 2: of Ukraine who was oppressing everybody.
Speaker 3: But how did you get involved in that?
Speaker 1: All the way from La You know what, one of
Speaker 1: my friends who was involved before in the movies with me,
Speaker 1: actually we did the previous movies, he literally called me
Speaker 1: from Ukraine and said, hey, the history is happening, so
Speaker 1: come down, we need to document this. And you know what,
Speaker 1: crazy as myself took the camera and went to Ukraine.
Speaker 2: And that's a horrible friend. My friends called me for
Speaker 2: good times. I don't know about friends that are like, hey,
Speaker 2: come over, let's let's almost get shot in a revolution
Speaker 2: that's taking place.
Speaker 1: Nobody was expecting actually to be shot there, because when
Speaker 1: I went there, it was a peaceful demonstration and it
Speaker 1: was a peaceful protest of youth. And you know what,
Speaker 1: it was an amazing festival of people who wanted to
Speaker 1: be hurt, who wanted to be hurt by the goverment,
Speaker 1: and nobody was expecting to be killed. Nobody was expected
Speaker 1: to be beaten at four o'clock in the morning, so
Speaker 1: they event started to unfold spontaneously.
Speaker 3: This was this was such an insane story.
Speaker 2: I mean, the presence of Ukraine basically decides, he says
Speaker 2: to everybody, I'm going to join with the EU. Everyone's
Speaker 2: really happy about this, and then behind the nation's back,
Speaker 2: makes a deal with Putin, who's a great guy. And
Speaker 2: people aren't happy about this, and they start off the
Speaker 2: protest and you are there for this whole process. What
Speaker 2: was the feeling like when you're standing in this crowd
Speaker 2: because you were.
Speaker 1: There for this, Yeah, and it was interesting. It was
Speaker 1: extraordinary experience. Because you just showed a clip about twelve
Speaker 1: year old kid that we literally can't watch how he
Speaker 1: was maturing through these ninety three days, and every character
Speaker 1: who was there was fascinating. For example, this kid his
Speaker 1: twelve years old. He ran from his home and been
Speaker 1: there from the beginning till the end, till they wont
Speaker 1: till the protesters want and achieve their goals.
Speaker 3: One of the things that.
Speaker 2: Really fascinated me was the fact that all through the protests,
Speaker 2: the protesters always said to the police, you are the people,
Speaker 2: help us in this fight. It was such a strange
Speaker 2: thing to hear them pleading to the police to ask them,
Speaker 2: you know, they didn't see them as a separate entity.
Speaker 2: They were saying, we are Ukrainian, Ukrainian, why are you
Speaker 2: beating us? Was that like an overlin thing? I felt
Speaker 2: like it, I don't know, I felt like that should
Speaker 2: apply everywhere in the world.
Speaker 1: Strangely enough, you know what I think what should apply
Speaker 1: from this movie is the unity. Because the unity was fascinating.
Speaker 1: People from all generations, all ages, all social groups, from
Speaker 1: reach to poor students, people who accomplished a lot of
Speaker 1: things in lives, different phases all together. This fascinating unity
Speaker 1: I haven't seen a lot, and this fascinating unity helped
Speaker 1: them to win. And another thing I think should people
Speaker 1: take is that they're the people and they're the real
Speaker 1: power the.
Speaker 3: Other people and the youth of the people.
Speaker 2: I mean, this isn't a Disney film, but there were
Speaker 2: a few poor moments where I laughed, and one of
Speaker 2: those is when the youth said we now have a purpose.
Speaker 2: They're like, we're not just sitting around basically playing video
Speaker 2: games doing nothing.
Speaker 3: A revolution has given us purpose. And I thought to myself,
Speaker 3: is that.
Speaker 2: What we need in the world for youths everywhere to
Speaker 2: get involved in politics as revolutions?
Speaker 3: Is that what everyone's waiting for.
Speaker 1: I don't think that we need revolutions, but you know what,
Speaker 1: what was fascinating, actually you said that you're kind of
Speaker 1: looking these and it was also human and the human
Speaker 1: side of them. We had a concert every night. You
Speaker 1: probably saw how the girl was playing piano between the
Speaker 1: protesters and the police. So it was amazing to see
Speaker 1: these human speed and even when the government basically made
Speaker 1: the new laws prohibiting them to wear the gear, prohibited
Speaker 1: them to wear all these.
Speaker 3: Yes, stopping that they made it illegal to protests.
Speaker 1: Correct, So what they did they wear masks. They basically
Speaker 1: put it the cooking pots on their heads, so which was.
Speaker 3: A great fashion choice.
Speaker 2: I noticed some people were like I'm gonna wear cooking
Speaker 2: pots and go up against the police ers. It was
Speaker 2: an insane situation. You were in it though. That's what
Speaker 2: fascinates me. You were there and you were filming the police.
Speaker 2: If you try to film the police in most countries
Speaker 2: they come to the person who's filming, and yet they
Speaker 2: just let you do it. Did nobody stop and say
Speaker 2: what are you filming?
Speaker 1: You know what? A It's not only mean, it's amazing.
Speaker 1: Twenty eight filmmakers who were around me, local filmmakers who
Speaker 1: each of them wanted to contribute their stories. When they
Speaker 1: heard that I'm doing this movie, they all came to
Speaker 1: me and said, hey, here's my story. I wanted to
Speaker 1: share it with this an entire role. So it's amazing
Speaker 1: professionals and non professions who were there same time. I
Speaker 1: do was having a badge of the local press, so
Speaker 1: it's kind of was protecting. But again, nobody was protected
Speaker 1: from the bullets, nobody was protected from the freezing, the weather.
Speaker 1: Nobody was protecting protected sorry from my language. Nobody was protected.
Speaker 3: My English is worse.
Speaker 2: Trust me out there, but nobody wants to protecting this.
Speaker 2: I love that you say, that's a that's a thing
Speaker 2: a valid lesson to learn. Badges will not protect you
Speaker 2: from bullets.
Speaker 1: Even gross protected.
Speaker 3: No badges, no badges. Thank you so much for coming through.
Speaker 7: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Beautiful Beautiful film Went on Fire will premiere this Friday
Speaker 2: on Netflix. You really really should see this and will
Speaker 2: also open theatrically in New York and La I've Gennya Finielski. Everybody,
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