1 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: Brute force. If you can see you're just not using 2 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: you're listening to suffer. Special ups, news and information. Strength 3 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 1: to the next And here our host Brendan Wag, Jack 4 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: Margin and the rest epos stuff that Stoprep dot Com 5 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: on time on Target. Ian Scato here with Jason Delgado 6 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: and you believe this episode. That's a lot. Yeah, that's 7 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 1: a lot. And I'm glad I jumped in at this 8 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: point because we have three coming up, and that's gonna 9 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: be like our you know, celebratory anniversary episode. So hopefully 10 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 1: you know, we'll have a strong guest for you guys, 11 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: and you know we're gonna make the best of it. 12 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: That's what we do. Yeah, and world new imaging. My 13 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: friend John is still working on like a new theme song, 14 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: so we're stepping up our game. We'll have a original 15 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: music and I already have the voice over for um Kara, 16 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: our voice over chick, same same woman as always, the 17 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: British voices. I know everybody digs it, so I'm really 18 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: psyched for that. It's gonna have of course, my name 19 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: and Jason's name and Jack's name instead of what you 20 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: here at the beginning. Now, so we're we're updating everything. Um, 21 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,119 Speaker 1: I guess the first thing to get to I wrote 22 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: this down and you were saying, like there's even more 23 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: stuff when you think about it. But like it's been 24 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: a very intense year for Texas between Hurricane Harvey. Last 25 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:29,759 Speaker 1: week we forgot to mention that Houston Astro is winning 26 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: their first World World Series, which is great news, but 27 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: then followed up by this horrific news of this church shooting. 28 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: It's been a trying time for Texas. It really has, 29 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: you know, and but no what, no other community like 30 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: their own could really kind of surface through all this, 31 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: you know, all this negativity and all this, you know what, 32 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: all these adverse situations, Like they're really doing a great job. 33 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: You know, that's what Texas is. And every time I 34 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: visit Texas, I feel that, I feel that camaraderie, I 35 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: feel I love you know. They call it the public 36 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: of Texas for a reason, like they're really one as 37 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: a state, you know, So it's it's you know there, 38 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: if anyone could supersede this situation would be Texas, you know. 39 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: And unfortunately, Wow, they're in the spotlight almost weekly now. 40 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: It's ridiculous. You know, I really feel bad for those guys, 41 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: but more so for the victims of everything the hurricane, um, 42 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: the church shooting you know that just recently happened, and 43 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: also you know the situation that happened, you know where 44 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: the police officers were being targeted, you know. I yeah, 45 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:36,679 Speaker 1: I mean it's it's Texas has been through a lot, 46 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: you know. But like I said, you let them tell 47 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: it and their Texas strong and then keep on pushing through. 48 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: You were there not too long ago, right, No? Yeah, 49 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:46,519 Speaker 1: I wasn't there. I was. I was there. Um. I 50 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: can't remember exactly what month, you know, I was like 51 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 1: a month or two ago, and I was like maybe 52 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 1: June July. I get brain farts. I ran a long 53 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: range course out in the Hondo, Texas, which was close 54 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: to San Antonio, which is man, let me tell you 55 00:02:57,880 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 1: the range out there once, I think was short Hills 56 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: bench and what what a beautiful property. I gotta tell you. 57 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: I fell in love with Texas. I fell in love 58 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: with the people. I fell in love with the way 59 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 1: they respect the Second Amendment, you know, and allow you 60 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:17,519 Speaker 1: to be an American, you know. More so, what I 61 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,559 Speaker 1: will say about Texas is and this is my personal experience, 62 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:22,679 Speaker 1: all right, coming from where I come from. You know, 63 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: I I understand. I come from New York City. I 64 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: come from a place where you know, there are distinct 65 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: delineations between uh races and classism. You know, that's that's 66 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: just what it is. We're set apart in different neighborhoods, 67 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: and am I right in or So when you get 68 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: to Texas, you know, you would expect because it's a 69 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: predominantly Christian and predominantly white state, you know, aside from 70 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: a lot of the Latino population of Mexican population that's 71 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: over there. Um, you know, you expect them to be 72 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: a little bit more prejudice or something like this is 73 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: these are things we would expect. But when I get 74 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: over there, the moment they found out you're a veteran, 75 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: it's like your kins of them. They will love you. 76 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: They will embrace you and and show you nothing but 77 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: a good time. And that's what I took away from Texas. 78 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: Every time I go to Texas, Texas is really probably 79 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: the most patriotic state in our Union. Yeah, I've been 80 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: to Texas. It's been a really long time. I mean, 81 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 1: we have so many guys on the show who are 82 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: who called Texas their home, whether it's Nick Irving, Mike Ritland, 83 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: quin Emerson. Uh yeah, there's a lot of Texans you 84 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:33,679 Speaker 1: come on here. Um, you know, No matter how people 85 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: want to spend this story, the truth is it was 86 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 1: a story of a good guy with a gun, though, 87 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: who took down this this I don't think. I think 88 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: in in in observance of the media and the law 89 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 1: enforcement of Texas, I think they're practicing um in briefing 90 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: the situation, not mentioning the man's name. So we're gonna 91 00:04:58,320 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: do the same. I'm gonna do the same. I don't 92 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: know about you, but I'm gonna I'm gonna I like 93 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: to call him. We'll call him pos piece of ship. 94 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: I get it though, because of the fact that the 95 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 1: guys who do these types of shootings generally are losers. 96 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: They have nothing going for them. So and this is 97 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: this was a textbooks, textbook case of this guy being 98 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 1: the biggest fucking loser on earth. Yeah, and and this 99 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 1: is their way to be immortal is that their name 100 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: will be in you know, books as as for what 101 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: they've done. So I agree, Like, you don't want to 102 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: glamorize the shooter in any way. This guy doesn't deserve 103 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 1: to be mentioned, and I agree with you there, Um, 104 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: so textbook case of the good guy with a gun 105 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: dealing with the bad guy would have gone. So this 106 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 1: individual shouldn't I even had the right to purchase a 107 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 1: weapon because he was already convicted in the military court 108 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: for domestic violence. And from what I understand, this guy 109 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: was a complete monster, and he was convicted of domestic 110 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: abused domestic battery, and a part of those charges was 111 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 1: that he actually cracked his steps on skull, a part 112 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: of you know, within this altercation, who the hell is 113 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: gonna one injure a child enough to crack his skull 114 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: in anger and then beat the crap out of his mom. 115 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: And then he served I want to say, he served 116 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: a year or so in military in the brig and 117 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: then he got out dishonorable discharge. And the fault actually 118 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: lies in the Knick system for not updating the federal 119 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: database with his convictions or his charges. So then he 120 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: was allowed to continue on and purchase these weapons. I 121 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 1: think they was saying he was probably purchasing one or 122 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 1: two a year, so he had he was amassing an armory. 123 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: So that being said, um, the incident wasn't that of 124 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 1: a domestic terrorists, I think, as in he had no um, 125 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 1: he didn't have a political agenda or religious agenda. So 126 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: you know, so what he did was absolute terror, don't 127 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: get me wrong, But what it was was more of 128 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: a personal agenda because well because from what I understand 129 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: is he was upset with his in laws because he 130 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: had a child with a woman and it didn't work out, 131 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: and he was upset with his in laws and the family, 132 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: and I guess wanted to do something in their view 133 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: to piss them off or to you know, kind of 134 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: get um revenge or something on something that he felt 135 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: they did to him or whatnot. And they attended this church, 136 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: even his um, his ex attended this church at some point, 137 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,679 Speaker 1: but they weren't here at this time. So he decided 138 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: to go in there and do that very thing. So 139 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: you know that that to me, you know, it's a 140 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: sad definitely a sad situation. You know, it's hard to 141 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: even speak about the what's what I hear this? I 142 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: want to say the youngest victim was somewhere near eighteen months. Yeah. Disgusting. Yeah, 143 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: that's absolutely disgusting, And I hope this guy rots and 144 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: fucking hell Yeah, and It's one of those things where 145 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: I think people who politicize it, you know, no matter 146 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: from what end act, like if there was the right 147 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: gun control legislation, or if we stopped or if we 148 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: had better mental health care, that it would stop these 149 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: types of actions. And like, I think this is a 150 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: consequence of living in a free society that you have 151 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: very sick individuals who, no matter what drugs, the same 152 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: thing happened in the situation. And these are these are 153 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: individuals that had you know, they had mental issues. You know, 154 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 1: we're talking about one who this this individual who had 155 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:51,439 Speaker 1: a criminal record in the military for domestic violence and 156 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:55,719 Speaker 1: also child abuse. That's fucking mental you know, who in 157 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: their right mind would bring theirlves to bring themselves to 158 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: that point more or so, the situation that happened in Connecticut, 159 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: the Sandy Hook shooting, and that was an individual plagued 160 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 1: by mental health I was able to get his hands 161 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 1: on weapons purchased by his mother. So you know, there's 162 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: there's there's this coincidence, and this coincidence, there's this uh, 163 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: this repetitive pattern so to speak, that is occurring here 164 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: with mental health. What I want to stay away from, though, 165 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: is what the Clintons were trying to accomplish in categorizing 166 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: veterans who are getting um conversation for PTSD or TB 167 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: I within this, I think it was not uh yeah, 168 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: Janet Napolitano. When the Obama administration put out that list 169 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: of like potential terrorists and likes, it's a majority of veterans. 170 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:51,599 Speaker 1: Veterans were on that list. It was of course, it 171 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: was Ron Paul supporters, veterans like anti abortion activists, Damniti Republicans, 172 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I mean, let's be honest. So, uh, 173 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: what I want to say and express is that PTSD 174 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: or t B I whatever you want to category categorize 175 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: it as there's a wide range of different ailments that 176 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 1: they ball up into that one that one um um category, 177 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: that one label. Okay, but you know, let's say for myself. 178 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,559 Speaker 1: You know, I I am diagnosed with PTSD, but my 179 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: p T PTSD comes in the form of emotional detachment. 180 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: I can't really care about things that I love if 181 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: I feel as if I'm gonna lose it at some point. 182 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: So I mean, it's whatever. When it comes to relationships 183 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:42,559 Speaker 1: and stuff like that, it starts to really like but 184 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,439 Speaker 1: I'm not going to turn around, grab a shipload of 185 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 1: guns and do or conduct this heinous acts. It's not 186 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: gonna happen. Pull up what Alex Holland said, because it's 187 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: the exact same thing you're saying, and you guys are 188 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: both marines. He was like, yes, I do have PTSD. 189 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: He's like, but the worst thing that happens with me, 190 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: he's gotta walk myself in the basement for a little bit, 191 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: like you know, eat a lot, maybe you know, and 192 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: it's it's because you know, it's it's hard to deal 193 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: with that reality of what we know the human species 194 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: is capable of and then still have the function in 195 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: society where that's kind of like, you know, there's a 196 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: tarp thrown over it, where you know, we're not supposed 197 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: to admit that at any given moment, someone could rent 198 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: a freaking truck from home depot and fucking run over, 199 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: you know, eight individuals on a fucking bicycle path. We 200 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: have to be able to say, no, it's okay, everything's 201 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: peachy and sunny, right, and but we're we, on the 202 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: other hand, were exposed to the ugly side of humanity, 203 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: so it's hard to conduct relationships there on after the fact. 204 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,079 Speaker 1: You understand what I'm saying. So we have this detachment, 205 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:55,599 Speaker 1: we have the standoff approach to society in general. It 206 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: doesn't mean we're psychotic. It doesn't mean like, what was 207 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:00,719 Speaker 1: that fucking Shyla buff movie that ship that he just 208 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: released where somehow PTS turned into fucking dementia and now 209 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: he's fucking living in war but he's a bum at 210 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: the same time, and you know he wants to kidnap 211 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,719 Speaker 1: his son and what the funk was that about? You know, 212 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but I don't live in La la land 213 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: where there's fucking uh fairies flying around me and ship 214 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 1: like that. You know, I'm not delusional. I just understand 215 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: that there's a certain there's a certain profoundness to the 216 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: human nature where you can look deep down into and say, 217 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,839 Speaker 1: there's an agenda to this person, and if this person 218 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: wants to pursue their agenda, they're willing to do X, 219 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: Y and Z. Not everyone approaches relationships like that, you know, 220 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 1: so veterans we do because we see the ugliness of humanities. 221 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: What I'm trying to say, so what I don't want 222 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: to do is I want to stay away from categorizing 223 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: ourselves or those those minute or those small um small um. 224 00:12:55,960 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 1: The titles within PTSD all in the same category. So 225 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: you know, you gotta really watch it. And that's that's 226 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:06,839 Speaker 1: a very slippery slope. So before I comment on saying that, 227 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: you know, um, this individual was a veteran, this guy 228 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: was a piece of fucking ship. First off, he was 229 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: probably some fucking and they said, from what I understand 230 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: was and this is what the news said, he was 231 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: a security specialist. So it's probably some MP or some 232 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 1: ship like that. I don't know in the air force 233 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: let alone. Um, I don't know if he went overseas. 234 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: I guarantee he didn't serve a day in combat. He 235 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,439 Speaker 1: was just a fucking turd, Okay. So and it's just 236 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,599 Speaker 1: like you could you could sit here and admit and 237 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,719 Speaker 1: although I love and I love my police brothers, I 238 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 1: love NYPD. My family is and white. But I love 239 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: a lot of the guys and you know, I support them, 240 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: I really do. I think the police officers in this 241 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: you know, law enforcement alos in this in this nation 242 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: have a really tough job and they're amazing individuals that 243 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: go out there and face fucking danger every day. But 244 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: I will say this, there are some fucking turds amongst 245 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:00,079 Speaker 1: your ranks, and it's like anything else, and and and 246 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: more so in this situation where you can't fucking bawl 247 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 1: this doupe shit, this douche bag into the same category 248 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: as a fucking combat veteran, as someone that's a patriot, 249 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,719 Speaker 1: as someone that is willing to protect the sheep of 250 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: the world, so to speak. You understand that guard dog, 251 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: that sheep dog, and this guy was not that. So 252 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: I don't want, you know, it's a very slippery slope 253 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: to start categorizing and labeling these things. That's a veteran 254 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: as mass shooter. As you know, we have to watch that, Okay, 255 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: we really do, because then eventually it's gonna start to 256 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: trickle down on guys like me. You know where I'm 257 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: I'm a server of society. I'm a server of the community. 258 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: I'm server of the week. You know, even to this day, 259 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: I'll walk in the street and if anybody is being 260 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: harassed or or or or chastise as some certain extent, 261 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna fucking throw myself in between them and the aggressor. 262 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: Because that's what I do, and that's what we do 263 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: you know it's funny as you say that, And I 264 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: want to get into this article that Mark Miller wrote, 265 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: but um, I agree with what you're saying, that that 266 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: veterans are the type of guys who are gonna throw 267 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: down if they see anyone being harassed, whether it's New 268 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: York City or anywhere else. And I remember that that 269 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: fake article that came out about the girl in the 270 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: job getting beat up by Trump supporters. Remember that came 271 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: out in New York City. And I said that if 272 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: that happened on a subway in New York City, like 273 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: nine times out of tendem might not always be there 274 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: would be someone to fucking go after those guys. And 275 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: Brandon was here next to me, and he's like, I 276 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: would absolutely go after those guys. And I think even 277 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: though the veterans often get wabled as like his lamophobes 278 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: or anything, I feel like if I, if you, Brandon Jack, 279 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: saw that happened, you wouldn't allow that to just take place. 280 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: It's it's like I mentioned this in my book and 281 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: it's crazy. I'll talk about the situation for those of 282 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: you guys who haven't read my book. So we're in 283 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: this um hospital complex and Baghdad, right, and we've already 284 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: lost at this point, we lost fellow brothers. You know, 285 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: we've got into a few ticks. You know, we've had 286 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: artillery attacks, mortar attacks like you know, ship was real. 287 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: So we get to this hospital complex and we're starting 288 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: to witness you know, rape victims. Um, they're an over 289 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: there's an overflowing excess of bodies. So now we have 290 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: these trucks outside. They're supposed to be cold or maintaining 291 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: some cooling, but they're not working. And you know, these 292 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: box trucks, and we have bodies in there and they're 293 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: starting to rot, you know. So there's a lot of 294 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: crap going on in this hospital. And more so, you 295 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: gotta understand the municipality of bag that is not really functioning. 296 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: So a lot of these a lot of these doctors, 297 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: a lot of these nurses are not getting paid. Yet 298 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: they're still coming to work. As much as we try 299 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: to make it sound like we could go in there 300 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: and make this like a Jeffersonian democracy, it's not gonna 301 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: work that way. But these people, for their own accord, 302 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: are still coming to work knowing that they're probably not 303 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: gonna They don't know when their next paycheck is coming in, 304 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: but they know they have a civic duty to their 305 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: people exactly. Try. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. They're 306 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: still coming to work. So we went there to secure 307 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 1: the facility and enable these individuals to do their job 308 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: and maintain this hospital, you know. And we're there and 309 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,919 Speaker 1: we're witnessing all these atrocious acts and things of that nature. 310 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: And so you gotta understand our our current state of 311 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: mind is just pure. What the fuck we get an 312 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: individual and this is a story that was told to me, 313 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: you know, a third party or second party. This individual 314 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 1: comes up to UM marines that are at a checkpoint 315 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: and it so happens to be Weapons Company marines, which 316 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: they have the cat vehicles. They're you know, they're all 317 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: set up and they're on the perimeter. And um, this 318 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: lady from what I from what I was told this story, 319 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: the female told these marines that someone or a group 320 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 1: of guys went into her father's restaurant or her father's 321 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: place of business and bullied them and pushed them out 322 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 1: of the place of business to take it over. Because 323 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: that's what's fucking going on at this time. Know, its war, 324 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: there's no there's no civil authority, so that those guys 325 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: that will and can will take you know, so that 326 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: those guys that are willing to fucking do this this evil, 327 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: to conduct this evil, will go ahead and fucking strong 328 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: arm the weak and and try to take property, try 329 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: to take business. And so that's what was going on. 330 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 1: So the lieutenant at that time of the cat opportun 331 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: actually fucking sent out there's only a couple of blocks 332 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: away from the hospital, sent out some of his boys 333 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:32,919 Speaker 1: to go over it. But he didn't he didn't send 334 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: him out to go with it, to investigate, to hold 335 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: down the perimeter, to know. His words were, go there, 336 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: fucking drop your blouses and beat the ship out these 337 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: motherfucker's and let them know what's up. So they went 338 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: over there, literally dropped their blousses, got off their fucking humbies, 339 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: dropped their blouses and whooped these motherfucker's asses and kicked 340 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 1: them off of the neighborhood. Kick them out of the neighborhood. 341 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: No better friend, no worse and him that's who we are, 342 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: you know, understand and that that and that's what we do. So, 343 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,120 Speaker 1: like I said, it's tough to kind of like ball 344 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 1: us all up into the same fucking category as this 345 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: fucking piece of ship. You know what I've always said 346 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 1: it on the podcast as the loan civilian here is 347 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: that veterans are not a monolith. Um getting into what 348 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 1: I wanted to say though with Mark Miller's piece. So 349 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: Mark Miller, former Green Beret, and and Mark is a 350 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: big gun rights advocate, um, you know, just to give 351 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: you some of his background. But he wrote a piece 352 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: here that's on soft wrap about you know, for people 353 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: wondering how did this guy get guns? Um, and he 354 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 1: broke it down after every mass shooting. Uh, come the 355 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 1: calls for new laws. Let us consider one of the 356 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 1: thousands of existing laws. The Latinburg Amendment to the Gun 357 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: Control Act of nineteen sixty eight, which took effect in 358 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 1: makes it a felony for those convicted of misdemeanor crimes 359 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: of domestic violence to ship, transport, possess, or receive firearms 360 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 1: or ammunition. This alone should have prevented the Texas killer 361 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: from ever buying a gun. The Air Force has admitted 362 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: it had failed to enter the killer's domestic violence court 363 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,199 Speaker 1: martial into a federal database that would have lit up 364 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: his background check and blocked him from buying a gun. 365 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: The shooter admitted to beating his wife and fracturing the 366 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 1: skull of their infant son as part of a pre 367 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: trial agreement. He was convicted in an Air Force military 368 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: court in twelve which you mentioned, at the Holloman Air 369 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: Force Base in New Mexico. He could have received thirty months, 370 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: was only sentenced to twelve months and served the year 371 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: in the in the brig at Miramar Air Force Base 372 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: in California. When you buy a gun from a dealer, 373 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: a Firearms Transition Record or a Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Farms, 374 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: Firearms and Explosives, a t F Form four four seven 375 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 1: three must be filled out. Buying a gun requires a 376 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:48,439 Speaker 1: complete and signed Form four four seven three, government issued 377 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: photo I D and a national Instant Criminal Background Check 378 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: System and i c S background check. The four fource 379 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 1: seven three contains a short affid David that the buyer 380 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 1: is eligible to purchase firearms under federal law. There's a 381 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 1: series of questions which must be answered correctly or the 382 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,719 Speaker 1: deal or may not sell you the gun. The Texas 383 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: shooter lied on three of these questions, and these are 384 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: the three questions. Have you ever been convicted in any 385 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,880 Speaker 1: court of a felony or any other crime for which 386 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: the judge could have imprisoned you for more than one year, 387 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: even if you received a shorter sentence including probation. Second question, 388 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 1: have you been discharged from the armed forces under a 389 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 1: role conditions? And then third, have you ever been convicted 390 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence? 391 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: Uh so lying on this form is a felony. You 392 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: can read the rest at sovereig dot com, but it 393 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 1: really breaks down the whole thing um. And this was 394 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: not I don't care what side you're coming from, this 395 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: was not a problem. If they're not being a law 396 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: in place that should have prevented this. This was really 397 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,719 Speaker 1: human error problem. And of course people are gonna lie 398 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: in their forms. So it's it's really just tightening up 399 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: the laws that we already have. It's not creating new 400 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: laws that that more so, back back to the biggest point. 401 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 1: What's the biggest crime this man committed that was already illegal? Yeah, murder? 402 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: And then also it's like, you know, why did you 403 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 1: get the short sentence for such a painous crime? You know, 404 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 1: why why would the judge lighten a sentence like that 405 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: I don't know what happens within the military nowadays. I'm looking, 406 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 1: look what happened to the Bullberg Doll trial. Yeah, which, 407 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: by the way, I do want to get into but 408 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 1: we uh, we actually got to get over to Jesse Davenport's, 409 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 1: so you know, I'm gonna make a mark here that 410 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: we'll get into Bauburg after. And also I want to 411 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 1: play the audio of the shooter. It's fun. I never 412 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: know with you how how how long you're gonna go, Dude, 413 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 1: I guess it's all good, man. I we'll get into 414 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 1: it after. We'll get into it later. That's the great 415 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 1: thing about podcast is we don't have a time limit. Um, 416 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: but I do want to mention in the intro, rest 417 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: and peace to the legendary Major League Baseball picture two 418 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: times cy Young winner Roy Holliday or Doc Holiday, who 419 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: was an aviator himself and recently bought the eight five 420 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: and that's what I believe he crashed in. And man, 421 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: just sucks to see you guys, forty years old, legend 422 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 1: in the game. And then to think, you know, like 423 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: I went up. I went up in Brandon's playing, you know, 424 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: which was awesome. I got to fly around he actually 425 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 1: let me fly, so I got to feel, Yeah, this 426 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: was awesome. I got to feel how much control you 427 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: actually have of the plane and stuff like that. So, 428 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 1: I mean, before you start doing stunts and maneuvers. You know, 429 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 1: Brandon was explaining to me it would probably be a 430 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 1: good idea to have a parachute and stuff like that. 431 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: You know. I just want to remind people. And I 432 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: don't know what the situation was here, you know, is 433 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 1: I'm not speculating anything. I'm just saying anything you do, 434 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:40,120 Speaker 1: make sure you check all your boxes, you know, because 435 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: there's people that I will love you, There's people that 436 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 1: need you in their life, so you know, be responsible 437 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 1: in the things you do day to day. That's all 438 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 1: I just want to say in this And he'll be 439 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: missed by anyone likes baseball or anyone who's a family 440 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 1: member more importantly. Um So, before we get to Jesse Davenport, 441 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: which I'm psyched for. I've never heard from Jesse, I 442 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: don't think anyone. Yeah that's the cool thing, Like you 443 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 1: can google them, you won't find anything. So like the 444 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 1: great thing I love about software radio, and I really 445 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: mean this is that, Yeah, you'll hear from the Rob 446 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 1: o'neils of the world or the Nick Irving's guys that 447 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: you can google and you'll find a million things about. 448 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: But then we also have on guys, a lot of 449 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: guys that Jack's brought on and a guy like Jesse 450 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: that the public hasn't really heard from. But then they 451 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: have a lot to learn through us, and and that 452 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 1: no other podcast is gonna get on unless they start 453 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: reaching out because they heard that we add him on, 454 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 1: which I thought we do. We do first a lot. 455 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 1: It is true, man, we do a lot of things first. 456 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: I agree, Like I remember out of that well, I've 457 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: said it before. I remember when I first was brought 458 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: on this podcast. I I don't think there were any 459 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: other major special operations military podcasts. I could be wrong 460 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: in that I know that software was pretty much the first. 461 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 1: There are some. Um, look, I have all respect for 462 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 1: any any podcast that wants to do this and do 463 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: it right and do it a unique way. And now 464 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 1: there's a ton of them. But I think at the 465 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: time all there were were these like blog talk radio 466 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: shows that sound horrendous, Like the sound quality is awful. 467 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: They're not bringing on the calibers yet we are, um, 468 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,360 Speaker 1: you know now there's some other good ones. So it's 469 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: not to talk. But I do believe we were doing 470 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 1: it way before they were like, you know, a dozen 471 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: military podcast Now I'm not even joking, Like, look in 472 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 1: the category, there's there's crazy, there's military spouses Radio. The 473 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: reason for the category though that you guys have to reason, 474 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: like a podcast like zero Blog thirty is run by 475 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: Barstool Sports, and Barstool Sports is like is a huge 476 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 1: thing now, you know, So there's just a lot of competition, 477 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: and competition is good, Like I don't show, which is 478 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: great because that means there's a lot of us starting 479 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 1: to blossom and starting to you know, come out of 480 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: their shyness and come into the light and say, you know, 481 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: we have a message, we have a story to tell, 482 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: which is awesome. It's the same thing in the book market. 483 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: You know, a few years ago there wasn't a heavy 484 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: saturation and of military books now, you know, between the 485 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: movies and the books. And I just worry about it though, 486 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: because too, if I'm to be completely honest, because one 487 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: of those things where like whatever goes up must come down, 488 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: and I know that this audience can't get enough of 489 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 1: this stuff. But then I think about the general public, 490 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: who wants to see maybe one or two war movies 491 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: a year, maybe military book. Hollywood, Hollywood and TV has 492 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 1: a good a good handle on that because I ask 493 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: yourself a question, have you seen, um, what was that 494 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: show Top Shot? Whence the last time you've seen Top Shot? 495 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: I was not a viewer, although we've had but have 496 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: you heard you heard of it? You know, we got on, yeah, 497 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: Jake's Wigg. We haven't had Jake on in a while, 498 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: but um, yeah, Jake's wigg was on Top Shot. Did 499 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 1: you ever hear Jake's Wiggs? Whole story? Really? So, Jake 500 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: walked off the show and he gets a lot of 501 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 1: crap for it. But according to Jake, and you know 502 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: he's talked about it on the show with Brandon. I 503 00:26:58,160 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: don't know the ins and outs. I don't I haven't 504 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 1: heard the other guys stories. But according to Jake, he 505 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 1: was winning every single contest and then they started with 506 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: his gun to make things on purpose because reality a 507 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: little bit more interject, they interject confident. At that point, 508 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: he was like, I'm not doing and you know that 509 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: they made him look like an asshole. So the funny 510 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 1: thing is, I remember the first few times Jake's wig 511 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: was on the show, all the comments from people watch 512 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,679 Speaker 1: top show, like I hate this guy. He walked up 513 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 1: the show and then I think the audience warmed up 514 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: to him. We haven't had Jake on in a while, 515 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: but it's I have a friend who was on the 516 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: show and he almost you know, he made it all 517 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: the way damny. I think Top three eight, Top four 518 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 1: or something like that. Pete Palmer, he was in my 519 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 1: last scalf sniper Sniper Patune and he went off and 520 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: they actually allowed him he was still in it, allowed 521 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: him to go do the show, and um not right 522 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: now he's doing MS Clean Kids, which is basically like 523 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,239 Speaker 1: a cleaning kit for your weapon system. That is, uh, 524 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: it fits inside a case that looks like a magazine 525 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: so you can fit it into your gear and stuff 526 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 1: like that, which is pretty cool. So yeah, but you know, 527 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 1: back to the point, when's the last time you've seen 528 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 1: Top Shot? When the Sandy Hook happened? M so the 529 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: and this is because I was privy to that information 530 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:13,120 Speaker 1: through their producers. Um, because of Sandy Hook, they stopped 531 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 1: Top Shot. So the the temperature or should it should 532 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: I say, the current situation of of gunn How do 533 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: you say this of of that adverse gun attention within 534 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 1: society actually has a lot to do with the content 535 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: of military like uh shows that are being produced or released. 536 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: A lot of these things are recorded one or two 537 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: years prior to their their tentative dates of release. Although 538 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: as we all as we know, um, every time a 539 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: tragedy like this happens, it boosts up gun sales, you know. 540 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: But that's because because of the banding, but not not 541 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: that people And I'm not saying this, I don't agree 542 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: with this, but the Hollywood sees it is people don't 543 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: don't want to see anything related to weapons, and you know, 544 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: Hollywood is predominantly liberal. That's what it is. That's my point. 545 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: But um, it's just like how the n r A 546 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: and groups have said that Obama was like the greatest 547 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: gun salesman, you know, whether you like it or not, 548 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: because the people were scared of gun rights being taken away. 549 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: I know that we've Jesse whole sorry, definitely is. So 550 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: let me just let you guys know before we get 551 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: to Jesse Davenport's support for today's show comes from Go Tenna, 552 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: Go Tena Mesh Powers, the first one off grid mobile 553 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 1: long range consumer ready Mesh network. 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You know, we're used to 585 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: having these guys on the podcast who have either written 586 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 1: books or own training facilities that are out in the 587 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: public eye, and I know that Jesse is not in 588 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 1: the public eye. And that's like the great thing about 589 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 1: the podcast. Um So. Jesse is a former Marine Scott 590 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 1: sniper served with Jason in combat, but also a former 591 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: Army Green Berets. So you are pretty much with this 592 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 1: whole podcast is about and and it's an honor to 593 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 1: be speaking with you. Man well thanks, Yeah, it's an 594 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: honor to be on the show. Thanks. So the first 595 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 1: thing I'm wondering is it's just your basic background, if 596 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: you can kind of sum up. I mean it's a 597 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: heavy question, of course, but what made you want to 598 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 1: get into the military, and then how did you make 599 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: that transition in two different branches? And uh, what are 600 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: you doing now? Uh? Well, actual, I'll answer the last part. First. 601 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 1: I am medically retired. Uh, and my body just got 602 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 1: shredded over the years of hard labor. But uh, yeah, 603 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: so I joined the Marine Corps. I was twenty two 604 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 1: when I joined, and uh, I always wanted to bury 605 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 1: a marine, you know, ever since I was about twelve. 606 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 1: So finally pulled the trigger on that, and uh had 607 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: an absolute blast. While I was in the Marine Corps. 608 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 1: My army experience was less glorious. I didn't enjoy much 609 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: of it. You have no love like you had love 610 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: in the Marine coll baby, That's what it was. That's 611 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 1: exactly right, man, A bunch of pretenders and stuff. You know, 612 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: it's sometimes that no ship Jesse. I get emails of 613 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: people that read the book and asked me, you know, hey, 614 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 1: have you been in contact with Jesse because the way 615 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: I left the book off, you read it already. The 616 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 1: way I left the book off was, you know, I 617 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: have a feeling. I have a feeling he went in 618 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: the direction of where I thought you went, because you know, 619 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: you're not the type of person to fall off the map, 620 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 1: especially with me, you know, because there was so much 621 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 1: love between us. So you know, I was like, you know, 622 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: he fell off the map. And to me, I already 623 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 1: knew you didn't have to explain. You don't got to 624 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 1: do no fucking maintenance with me. You're my brother, So 625 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: I knew it's true, bro, And I'm like that when 626 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:34,719 Speaker 1: it comes to family, you don't got to do maintenance 627 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 1: with me. Bro, you will always be. You could call 628 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: me ten years from now and be like, Bro, I 629 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 1: need you to choke the funk out of somebody, and 630 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 1: I would do it, you know what I mean. So 631 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 1: I knew it was for a reason, Yeah, the funk out. 632 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 1: I don't need that ship. You know, I don't need 633 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: you to tickle me pink, you know. So you know 634 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 1: my whole thing was I knew he was doing something, 635 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 1: and you know you have to do your thing, you 636 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 1: know what I mean. So I want to answer that 637 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 1: for the people, like, what's up man, once you've been 638 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 1: up to brother. Yeah. So I at the end of 639 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: my Marine Corps career, um, what it was our second 640 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 1: tour overseas at the border of Syria. There in the 641 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: compound that I was on, which was Bob Tiger. Uh, 642 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: there was some KEG operators. UM. I don't know if 643 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: you're audience knows what KEG is, but it's always great 644 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: to sum it up. But sum it up for the 645 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 1: new guys that come on board and stuff like that. Yeah, 646 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 1: break it down all right. Well at Delta Force, um, 647 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 1: you know, the the premier of the premiere of the premiere, um, 648 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:39,880 Speaker 1: if you will. And uh there pretty locked on dudes. 649 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 1: And they kind of recruited me because me and I 650 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 1: took a couple of snipers down with with me and 651 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: we we sat and chatted with him and just kind 652 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: of picked their brain for a little bit, and they 653 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 1: said told me to look him up when I got 654 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: back to the States. Well, I got back to the 655 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: States and I was like two months from getting out, um, 656 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,879 Speaker 1: and I wasn't about to re enlist in the Marine 657 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 1: Corps for a shot at Delta. I wanted out of 658 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 1: the Marine Corps and uh, yeah, anyway, so I ended 659 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 1: up joining the eighteen X ray program for special Forces. 660 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 1: UM and uh. I don't know if you guys know 661 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 1: what that is. Yeah I do. But explain that to 662 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,399 Speaker 1: some of the younger kids that are coming in, because 663 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 1: that's something they might come in on. So, yeah, that 664 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 1: actually is true. Well, the eighteen X ray program started 665 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: out as a recruiting program UM to get people with 666 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 1: life experience like that have been in college or run 667 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 1: a business or different you know fields and um, and 668 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 1: get them into special Forces so that they could have 669 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 1: specialties within the ranks. What it turned into and I 670 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 1: think it was right after Rumsfeld said hey, we're going 671 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: to double the amount of special Forces guys. Um. He 672 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 1: uh said a lot of things in motion, I'll just say, 673 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:59,399 Speaker 1: and it turned into a high school recruiting program. Um. 674 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 1: And so I was, hold on, we're quick. I'm sorry 675 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 1: to cut you off, but I've heard from a lot 676 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,400 Speaker 1: of cats, a lot of green Berets that that kind 677 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 1: of water down the program a line. What I mean 678 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,279 Speaker 1: by the program, I mean by the unit. So go 679 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 1: on from there. Yeah, yeah, that it did. It watered 680 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 1: it down a lot. It just it basically became like 681 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 1: another boot camp and I wasn't up for that. Um 682 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,440 Speaker 1: I signed on and I was there for probably a 683 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 1: year and a half, going through the Q course, and 684 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 1: um so the original reason I joined just because the 685 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: recruiter that I called when I got home said hey, yeah, 686 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 1: just joined the next RAE program and hit us up 687 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 1: when you're done, you know. So I was like, all right, cool, 688 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 1: and I'm totally ignorant, and I thought, you know, if 689 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,719 Speaker 1: I just go through the Q course, I can call 690 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 1: these guys and go over there. Yeah. So, anyway, you 691 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 1: know QUE courses two years there, they're going to make 692 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: you be on a team for at least two years 693 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 1: before they let you go anywhere. Um So, you know 694 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,320 Speaker 1: I was looking at I think I re enlisted for 695 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:06,319 Speaker 1: five years and or enlisted in the army for five years, 696 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 1: and I was looking at that entire time being taken 697 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,760 Speaker 1: up and this is this is you. You've given yourself 698 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 1: enough time to achieve what you wanted to achieve. That's 699 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:21,719 Speaker 1: why you did Okay, got it? Yeah? Yeah, so yeah 700 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,720 Speaker 1: that I actually I left that program and they actually 701 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: didn't want me to leave for like two weeks. They 702 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 1: wouldn't even let me leave I thought I was having 703 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:29,879 Speaker 1: troubles at home or something, but they knew I wasn't 704 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:34,240 Speaker 1: a cake eater, so um, they wanted to keep me around. 705 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,840 Speaker 1: But I ended up making up some BS story and 706 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,800 Speaker 1: getting out of there. But um, it was yeah, that 707 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 1: that program turned SF at that time. I don't know 708 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 1: where it's at right now, but at that time, there 709 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: was a lot of really young guys that you know, 710 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:51,839 Speaker 1: you still got that chip on your shoulder when you're 711 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,960 Speaker 1: at that age and you think you're just big and 712 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 1: bad and you don't know anything, you know, Uh, and 713 00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 1: it was really hard to be around. I just I 714 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 1: couldn't stomach it. It was it wasn't It wasn't the 715 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,680 Speaker 1: professionalism you thought you were walking into. Yeah, that's exactly right. 716 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,440 Speaker 1: And even not not not for nothing, it wasn't the 717 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,879 Speaker 1: professionalism you deserved personally, you sir, Yes, yeah, I've been 718 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:15,719 Speaker 1: through too much at that point. You're right about that, Ja, 719 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,279 Speaker 1: we had been through too much at that point, you know, 720 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,400 Speaker 1: you get treated like a recruit again. Um. I was 721 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 1: ready to you know, continue my growing my skills and 722 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,759 Speaker 1: become a better, better sniper, you know, But that wasn't 723 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,239 Speaker 1: the case. And even even some of the senior SF guys. 724 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 1: Now they're I'm let me just say this real quick 725 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,839 Speaker 1: because I don't want to bag on the SF community. Um, 726 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,160 Speaker 1: there are some really locked on, awesome dudes that I 727 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,439 Speaker 1: met in the Q course that we're senior guys there. 728 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 1: That they were pretty there, they were solid, and you know, 729 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 1: SF has great people in it. It's funny that Jesse 730 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,960 Speaker 1: says this because I've sort of heard the same thing 731 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,399 Speaker 1: from Jack Murphy. Um. You know, Jack Murphy, our editor 732 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,080 Speaker 1: in chief, is former Army Ranger, former Green Beret. But 733 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:06,600 Speaker 1: I always noticed that Jack murphyple say Army ranger before anything, 734 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,480 Speaker 1: and like his Twitter handles, Jack Murphy RGR. People have 735 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,120 Speaker 1: asked him about and yeah, he just thinks of himself 736 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 1: as an Army Ranger first. And it was it was 737 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,800 Speaker 1: a better experience for him, I guess, similar to the 738 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:22,040 Speaker 1: Marines was a better experience for you. Yeah, way better. Actually, 739 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,600 Speaker 1: I thrived as a Marine sniper and I just I 740 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 1: was just bored out of my mind during the Q course. 741 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,239 Speaker 1: To be honest with it was easy for me. It 742 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,399 Speaker 1: was I'm not trying to like say O ye or anything, 743 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,600 Speaker 1: but it was. It was a breeze and I Honestly, 744 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,320 Speaker 1: I thought it'd be a little more challenge. Yeah, but 745 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 1: people also know to become a Marine scolled sniper also 746 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,279 Speaker 1: means you're gonna endure a certain amount of hell as well. 747 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,360 Speaker 1: So I could see where it was like us. Remember 748 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,759 Speaker 1: when we had a third and my third indoctrination in Okinawa, 749 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,960 Speaker 1: we went to sniper school. After that, it was like 750 00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,640 Speaker 1: taking three steps backwards because it was that much fucking torture, 751 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:04,000 Speaker 1: so so much at that point already. Yeah, yeah, that 752 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,360 Speaker 1: was about the same way man. So uh, you know, 753 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,800 Speaker 1: and I pushed myself even further than what the Marine 754 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:15,040 Speaker 1: sniper community pushed me to. Um, you know, on the weekends, 755 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 1: I go, there's a Mount San Jacinto. They're down by 756 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:22,600 Speaker 1: twenty one palms, California, And I'd go started about and 757 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 1: went up to about eleven thousand, and I'd run ten 758 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,880 Speaker 1: miles uphill and then run ten miles back on the weekends. 759 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,160 Speaker 1: So let me Uh, it's so, Jesse, it's so for 760 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,160 Speaker 1: those of you who don't know, Um, I wrote about 761 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 1: it in my book, Jesse is he was my partner, 762 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:43,400 Speaker 1: my first fucking real partner in combat and in scott 763 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,839 Speaker 1: Sniper School. Right, Jesse so so we got stuck together. Yeah, 764 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,919 Speaker 1: we got stuck together. But you know what A yeah, 765 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:52,880 Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. But you know what it click? 766 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,360 Speaker 1: I think it was. I think it was fucking destiny 767 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 1: bro that we had to like just bond together and 768 00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:01,239 Speaker 1: click together. So um, Jesse. Actually, if you get for 769 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:02,840 Speaker 1: those of you guys who know a little bit of history, 770 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:07,000 Speaker 1: Saren Major, Michael Barrett he was at that time, was 771 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:11,120 Speaker 1: the first Aren't and we had already conducted our second 772 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,400 Speaker 1: in my second and DOT. I'm sorry, I don't want 773 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,400 Speaker 1: to say our my second INDOT because I failed the 774 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,600 Speaker 1: first those of you guys who know the book, because 775 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,120 Speaker 1: I'm a fucking cocky piece of ship. So so I 776 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,800 Speaker 1: made it on the second and DOC thanks to Jack Coughlin. 777 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,360 Speaker 1: You know, a lot of the guys in our community 778 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,440 Speaker 1: hate that motherfucker, but I love that motherfucker because it 779 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,759 Speaker 1: gave me my shot. So you know, I got it 780 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,719 Speaker 1: on the second in DOC and after we were done 781 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,960 Speaker 1: with the end, literally a day after fucking sorry Major 782 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,720 Speaker 1: Barret first, aren't Barrett Starr Major out of respect because 783 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,560 Speaker 1: that's who the funk he was. You know, he comes 784 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:44,759 Speaker 1: into the sniper patuone and ain't no motherfucker on earth 785 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:51,640 Speaker 1: gonna contradict. Sorry, Major Barrett. Yeah, so those of you 786 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,200 Speaker 1: know that that, you know what, well, there if that 787 00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,480 Speaker 1: motherfucker says jump, you say, motherfucker, when you want me 788 00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 1: to come down? Not how high? Because I was staying 789 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,440 Speaker 1: in the air, bitch, you know what I mean. So 790 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,680 Speaker 1: he comes to the sniper patuna. He says, I got 791 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,359 Speaker 1: this guy. His name is Jesse Davenport. I want him 792 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:13,680 Speaker 1: in the platoon. That's all he fucking said. Anyway, And 793 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,960 Speaker 1: I remember because I was there listening to get out 794 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,480 Speaker 1: the conversation. You don't know that, and I'm telling you 795 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,400 Speaker 1: this right now. I was there on the conversation. He 796 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,120 Speaker 1: said I want this guy. He's coming in, and then 797 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,840 Speaker 1: that's it. They're like, okay, cool, And next thing you know, 798 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,520 Speaker 1: we got briefed as a bunch of new pigs that 799 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,960 Speaker 1: we're gonna get a new pig, and they were kind 800 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,239 Speaker 1: of like softening the blow for us, basically letting us 801 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:39,960 Speaker 1: know that you didn't have to do the indoctrination. You 802 00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,480 Speaker 1: did it, motherfucker. You came in a day after we 803 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,920 Speaker 1: did the indoctrination because I guess you were afterthought too. 804 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,719 Speaker 1: Sorry Major Barretts, you know in Barretts sorry Major Barrett's life, 805 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,840 Speaker 1: and he must have said, oh yeah, fun, ye, hold on, 806 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,000 Speaker 1: hey here pushed this motherfucker in the patuon. So you 807 00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,160 Speaker 1: came into the fucking Patun and we were all like, 808 00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,800 Speaker 1: kind of semi bitter. We're like, man, this motherfucker didn't 809 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,960 Speaker 1: die with us and all this bullshit. So whatever, long 810 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,840 Speaker 1: story show you came into Patun, but long and behold, 811 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,239 Speaker 1: we didn't know they had more cynical plans for us 812 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,279 Speaker 1: in which when we went to Okinawa, these motherfucker's had 813 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:15,840 Speaker 1: a whole other in doctor, which was my third fucking indoctrination, 814 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,600 Speaker 1: you know planned. So you know that's where you know, 815 00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,640 Speaker 1: we paid our bones. That we were deployed over there 816 00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,080 Speaker 1: out in the jungle. Say it again, Say it again, 817 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,600 Speaker 1: say that ship again, Give me those numbers, baby. Yeah. 818 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,319 Speaker 1: So we were we were deployed for six months and uh, 819 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,799 Speaker 1: I mean that we spent our total of uh four 820 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,960 Speaker 1: months in the field and the junk constantly just training. 821 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,960 Speaker 1: Just this ain't no woods, say yeah, this is the 822 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:46,080 Speaker 1: this is the fucking jungle. This ship was real. Yeah, yeah, 823 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,239 Speaker 1: remember those spiders, the fucking banana spiders. These things were 824 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,319 Speaker 1: at face level huge about the size of your palm 825 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,480 Speaker 1: and the patrols and you'd walk into one of their 826 00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,640 Speaker 1: webs and you always just start freaking out. I got 827 00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,000 Speaker 1: fun and goose bumps right now talking about them, like 828 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,120 Speaker 1: I'm just fucking doing the heapie gebs right now. That's 829 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,719 Speaker 1: this good thing. So yeah, needless to say, you know, 830 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,640 Speaker 1: a man of sorry major Barrett's caliber vouch for Jesse 831 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,920 Speaker 1: Darrenport to come into our sniper But it more so 832 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:20,640 Speaker 1: he proved himself in that hillacious um indoctrination that we did, 833 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,040 Speaker 1: which was damn near a sniper school, but six months 834 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,560 Speaker 1: long instead of what was it at that time we 835 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,520 Speaker 1: went through it was what ten weeks long sniper school, 836 00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,520 Speaker 1: So it was more than it was six months long, 837 00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,680 Speaker 1: this sniper school. So and he proved himself, and you 838 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,080 Speaker 1: know we became very close at that time. We were roommates, right, Yeah, 839 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,279 Speaker 1: that's right. Yeah, I remember we used to have a 840 00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,120 Speaker 1: little tradition that we'd we'd scrubbed the crap out of 841 00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,840 Speaker 1: our barracks room before we'd leave for the field, so 842 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,200 Speaker 1: when we come back and be all clean and pristine 843 00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,080 Speaker 1: and nights and everything we could relax. I was I 844 00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,799 Speaker 1: was saying. I was saying to um, I was saying 845 00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,680 Speaker 1: to a couple of my friends that you were the 846 00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:01,239 Speaker 1: fucking guy that actually made my ears open up to 847 00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,879 Speaker 1: music because I was I was in you know, I'm 848 00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:05,680 Speaker 1: from New York. I love my hip hop. I love 849 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,280 Speaker 1: mine at that time, you know component Oreaga Nas Biggie 850 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:10,920 Speaker 1: and all that. You know, I was into that, you know, 851 00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,160 Speaker 1: and I was into pushing my agenda, like, you know, 852 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,800 Speaker 1: fuck you New York. But that's what we did. But 853 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,920 Speaker 1: Jesse was the first guy to like introduce me to 854 00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,320 Speaker 1: Bob Seeger introduced me to what big head Todd and 855 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:26,479 Speaker 1: the machine or whatever you know, and the monsters. I'm sorry, 856 00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,879 Speaker 1: so you know, And and like I would, yeah, we would. 857 00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,640 Speaker 1: We would listen to and Shoddy. We would remember Lovers Rock, 858 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,879 Speaker 1: that album Lovers Rock and No Homo, Okay, no Home. 859 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,319 Speaker 1: I gotta say that. I said that a couple of times. 860 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,000 Speaker 1: And you guys, No Homo. We would listen to fucking 861 00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,239 Speaker 1: Lovers Rock and just pass out to that ship in 862 00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:46,080 Speaker 1: the like you were the most easy going, fucking white 863 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,640 Speaker 1: boy I've ever met in my life. Like you really 864 00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,560 Speaker 1: like change my perspective of the world. You really did. 865 00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:56,799 Speaker 1: Like after you, it was like everyone's pretty much cool. Man, 866 00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,520 Speaker 1: It really was. You know that you showed me that, brother, 867 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,880 Speaker 1: you really did on that appreciate that compliment. No, it's true, man, 868 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,840 Speaker 1: you really did. And you were older than me. So 869 00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,120 Speaker 1: I learned a lot from you. I also learned how 870 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,520 Speaker 1: to be responsible. And also I remember when you and 871 00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,360 Speaker 1: and and and done and all this. Motherfuck you bitches 872 00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,359 Speaker 1: were so o c D. You will work on your 873 00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,880 Speaker 1: gear all fucking day long, and I was such a 874 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,200 Speaker 1: piece of fucking ship man, and and you would. You 875 00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,239 Speaker 1: would come in and you would work on your gear 876 00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,080 Speaker 1: for hours, and then I would just it would rub 877 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:26,399 Speaker 1: off on me and next thing, you know, I would 878 00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,680 Speaker 1: like silence on my equipment. And for those of you 879 00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,040 Speaker 1: guys out there like silencing, it means like you're taping 880 00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,320 Speaker 1: all all the metal buckles and fastening it down so 881 00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,320 Speaker 1: that what you're patrolling it's not clicking or clanging and 882 00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:41,520 Speaker 1: making noise. So you know, we like, uh, sounds like 883 00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:43,839 Speaker 1: a bunch of pots and pans walking through the woods 884 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:50,640 Speaker 1: either if you don't silence it. So uh So basically 885 00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,560 Speaker 1: I wanted to kind of get into um, um combat 886 00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:57,800 Speaker 1: get into your your your initial uh, your initial mindset 887 00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,280 Speaker 1: when we were told after sniper school, you know, because 888 00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,719 Speaker 1: you know, after that, we knew we were going, but 889 00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,200 Speaker 1: we didn't really know we were going, you know, because 890 00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,360 Speaker 1: when we went to sniper school, it wasn't really it 891 00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,560 Speaker 1: was it was after nine eleven, granted, but it wasn't 892 00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:18,120 Speaker 1: really a declaration of we're going in. Yeah we haven't been, 893 00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,920 Speaker 1: Yeah we haven't declared war yet. What was your mentality 894 00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:25,160 Speaker 1: once we showed up to Kuwait? Man, it was a 895 00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,000 Speaker 1: culture shock. Um. I will say this though, being in 896 00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:34,000 Speaker 1: twenty nine palms, Uh, the the environmental culture shock of 897 00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,200 Speaker 1: if you will, or you know that that environment was 898 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,960 Speaker 1: exactly what we've been living in for three years at 899 00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,759 Speaker 1: that point already, so there was no transition with that, 900 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,040 Speaker 1: which was really nice. I always looked back on that 901 00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,319 Speaker 1: with fondness because I mean I used to go out 902 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,200 Speaker 1: running on the back side of the desert there, and uh, 903 00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,759 Speaker 1: that really prepared me for combat big time. And I 904 00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:58,719 Speaker 1: loved it, damn. But yeah, it was a culture shock, man, 905 00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,640 Speaker 1: um was the whole different way of living. Man. I 906 00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:03,680 Speaker 1: think all of us were kind of like, you know, 907 00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:07,680 Speaker 1: biggest saucer plates. Just like the first time we took 908 00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,839 Speaker 1: a shower was like fucking almost damn me, thirty days 909 00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:15,080 Speaker 1: after fucking across the border. It was ridiculous. I remember, 910 00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,520 Speaker 1: and I was in the Ministry of Waters building that 911 00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,600 Speaker 1: I took a shower in the sink. I remember. I 912 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:24,400 Speaker 1: don't know if you remember, but about halfway up up uh, 913 00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,000 Speaker 1: before we got to bag that about halfway through, um, 914 00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:34,880 Speaker 1: somebody somehow ended up with a bottle of shampoo. Do 915 00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,640 Speaker 1: you remember that. I don't remember this. Tell me, people 916 00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,759 Speaker 1: want to know how how valuable shampoo was at the time, 917 00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,400 Speaker 1: Please tell me. So we had there was there was 918 00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,800 Speaker 1: like a guy. The guy with the bottle of shampoo 919 00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,000 Speaker 1: sat and like washed all the other dudes his hair 920 00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,759 Speaker 1: and just I guess gotta be a no homo thing, right, 921 00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,799 Speaker 1: yeah you have you had another dude and besides your 922 00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,680 Speaker 1: head and you know, with damn food, uh you know, 923 00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,080 Speaker 1: because your hair gets so stiff and brittle after not 924 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:09,840 Speaker 1: showering for you know, fifty thirty days, it gets it's 925 00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:11,560 Speaker 1: like a rock and you don't even know it. You 926 00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:15,239 Speaker 1: don't realize how much you stink until you get clean, 927 00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,640 Speaker 1: you know. And some like one guy went through and 928 00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:21,360 Speaker 1: got cleaned up, and then everyone was like, oh my gosh, 929 00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,640 Speaker 1: that smells so good, you know, because you haven't smelled 930 00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:28,200 Speaker 1: anything even halfway a long time. And then people wonder 931 00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,560 Speaker 1: why we have the relationships we have as far as 932 00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:34,720 Speaker 1: that that brotherhood mentality that you know, we really endured 933 00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,520 Speaker 1: that kind of crap together, and you know, we share 934 00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:41,560 Speaker 1: these ridiculous stories where you know, shampoo could be something 935 00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:46,920 Speaker 1: so major, said Jesse, I remember you found our first showers. 936 00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:51,120 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm telling you that hospital. Oh my god, 937 00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,799 Speaker 1: the hospital. I was actually telling Ian about it. How 938 00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,560 Speaker 1: um I was telling him about the weapons platoon where 939 00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,320 Speaker 1: the lieutenant actually send a couple of guys to whoops, 940 00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,680 Speaker 1: some mass I don't know, a family restaurant or something 941 00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,160 Speaker 1: from what I remember, because some thugs stick over the 942 00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:08,600 Speaker 1: restaurant or whatever. So we were talking about the hospital area. 943 00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,880 Speaker 1: But you're right, you're you're remember in the hospital. I 944 00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:12,480 Speaker 1: mentioned this in my books, So Thoughse, you guys can 945 00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,600 Speaker 1: follow along in the book. What did we do for 946 00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,400 Speaker 1: the doctors and the nurses in the hospital once we 947 00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:24,279 Speaker 1: find please tell them? So we found this underground parking lot. 948 00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,160 Speaker 1: All right, Well, the first the first part we got 949 00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:31,360 Speaker 1: to was all those old old I actually still have 950 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,160 Speaker 1: pictures of those. I send you some of those pictures. 951 00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,719 Speaker 1: You have the Mercedes and the Rolls and all that. 952 00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:39,920 Speaker 1: The most beautiful car I've ever seen. I don't even 953 00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:41,359 Speaker 1: know what it is. And I'm gonna try to see 954 00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:42,759 Speaker 1: if we could get some of those pictures up on 955 00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:44,759 Speaker 1: maybe at least the Instagram so you could see something 956 00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:49,080 Speaker 1: we're talking about. So these cars were like, it was amazing, 957 00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:53,560 Speaker 1: perfectly restored. If they'd ever even been driven, I don't 958 00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:55,800 Speaker 1: think so. And they were like in museum shape, and 959 00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,640 Speaker 1: they all had a plaqueard explaining what they were. Remember, 960 00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,520 Speaker 1: I had to crawl into the vents. I had to 961 00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,520 Speaker 1: crawl into the events to open the door, or you 962 00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:05,479 Speaker 1: crawled in right behind. I don't remember if I opened 963 00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:06,960 Speaker 1: the door or you called the right behead of me. 964 00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:10,680 Speaker 1: For that one, we couldn't get through the through that. 965 00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:14,839 Speaker 1: There was a giant steel sliding door, huge, twelve ft tall. Yeah, 966 00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,879 Speaker 1: the thing was gigantic and you know, twenty ft long, 967 00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,399 Speaker 1: and we couldn't get through. There's no way to get 968 00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,960 Speaker 1: through it. So I happened to glance up and see 969 00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:28,000 Speaker 1: that ventilation duct and I was like hey, and I 970 00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,560 Speaker 1: was way shorter than any of us, so it was 971 00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,480 Speaker 1: dark as it couldn't get any dark. It was like 972 00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,839 Speaker 1: a ton of That was my version of Vietnam ton 973 00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:38,960 Speaker 1: of rat that I did my part. I went in 974 00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,640 Speaker 1: there with my flashlight and my motherfucking pistol and I 975 00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,920 Speaker 1: crawled in that fucking vent and I went into that 976 00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,200 Speaker 1: God knows what was on the other side. Let's be honest. 977 00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:47,800 Speaker 1: God knows what was on the other side of that 978 00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:49,680 Speaker 1: fucking thing. But I went in there with my pistol 979 00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,520 Speaker 1: and my flashlight and I crawled in that vent and 980 00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:56,040 Speaker 1: I discovered a treasure trove on the other side. That 981 00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,880 Speaker 1: was That was so cool, man. That was like a 982 00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,239 Speaker 1: defining moment for me, Like I'll remember that for the 983 00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:02,840 Speaker 1: rest of my life. And then what do we do? 984 00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:07,040 Speaker 1: We sat in every car, We enjoyed the Yeah that 985 00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,759 Speaker 1: in every car. I actually, uh, shamefully, I'll admit, I 986 00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,839 Speaker 1: stole the keys from the one beautiful car that I had. 987 00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:15,799 Speaker 1: I threw them away eventually because I felt bad about 988 00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:21,279 Speaker 1: stealing some stuff. But yeah, I stole the keys from 989 00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:26,200 Speaker 1: the one car. Everything like the Mercedes, the KKs, I 990 00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,200 Speaker 1: don't know what that was My favorite one. That's the 991 00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,919 Speaker 1: one I remember that most, That silver one. Yeah, she's bad. 992 00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:36,440 Speaker 1: That was so sharp. I think you grabbed. No, I 993 00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:38,960 Speaker 1: did not. I wouldn't dare destroy that, but I think, no, 994 00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,920 Speaker 1: don't look at me like that. Damn it. But we 995 00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:45,280 Speaker 1: said to ourselves, let's enjoy these cars because the moment 996 00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,560 Speaker 1: this lets out what's going to happen. And sure enough, 997 00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:50,680 Speaker 1: a couple of days later, we saw Motherfucker's with their 998 00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:54,080 Speaker 1: three day of sault packs. Would sucking Mercedes ambulance, That's 999 00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,680 Speaker 1: what it was. That's right, yea, I remember that now. 1000 00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,320 Speaker 1: So we were all like disappointed, and that's why we 1001 00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,040 Speaker 1: like took our pictures and stuff like that and like 1002 00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,680 Speaker 1: sat at him because they're like, man, as soon as 1003 00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,920 Speaker 1: the whole battalion finds this place, they're going to come 1004 00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,960 Speaker 1: in here and just trash everything and exactly what happened, 1005 00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,279 Speaker 1: exactly what happened, you know, But you know that's in 1006 00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,520 Speaker 1: the affairs, and all's fair in love and war, right, 1007 00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,960 Speaker 1: So for those of you who don't know White, hold on, 1008 00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:26,240 Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, No, I need to get this out, Okay. 1009 00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,080 Speaker 1: I need people on the stack, because I think we've 1010 00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:29,800 Speaker 1: been going on long enough and people like, oh, this 1011 00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,920 Speaker 1: is a regular fucking guy. This is Jesse Down. Who 1012 00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:34,680 Speaker 1: the hell is this guy? No, I need people to 1013 00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:38,000 Speaker 1: understand who this man. Who this man is to me? So, 1014 00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:42,240 Speaker 1: this man, Jesse Davenport, is probably one of the best 1015 00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:47,040 Speaker 1: one shot, one kill snipers I've ever worked with. And 1016 00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,560 Speaker 1: you know, I've worked with a couple of blush blushing 1017 00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,680 Speaker 1: way bro, you deserve it. So what I want to 1018 00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:58,640 Speaker 1: say is, please, for for the people out there, please 1019 00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,680 Speaker 1: walk me through your first one shot one killed. When 1020 00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:03,839 Speaker 1: we win Dowin Neo or whatever the hell you call 1021 00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:10,480 Speaker 1: that town. Uh is that the eight yard shot? Yes, sir, Yeah, 1022 00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:14,840 Speaker 1: the the y'alla bridge we had. I don't even I 1023 00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,960 Speaker 1: don't remember how we got on top of this building. Um, 1024 00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,919 Speaker 1: we went radio SIDNNCE. That kind of just took off. Yeah, 1025 00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:22,640 Speaker 1: we kind of went off on our own, just and 1026 00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,960 Speaker 1: just decided to cover the battalion the best way we do. 1027 00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:27,840 Speaker 1: And plus there was a lot of radio chatter at 1028 00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:29,759 Speaker 1: that time, so we're like, let's shut this ship off, 1029 00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:33,040 Speaker 1: let's do what we gotta do, and you know, let's 1030 00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:36,640 Speaker 1: let's go to work. Yeah. So then we were sitting 1031 00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:41,040 Speaker 1: on top of the of the building and I actually 1032 00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,759 Speaker 1: had shot a guy right before that. Um. But the 1033 00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:45,919 Speaker 1: second guy I shot was that eight hundred yard shot. 1034 00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,000 Speaker 1: And we were looking around trying to spot stuff. And 1035 00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:51,600 Speaker 1: I don't remember who spotted him, to be honest, I 1036 00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:53,759 Speaker 1: don't remember if it was you and me that's found him. 1037 00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,880 Speaker 1: But um, this guy in the black pajamas, you know, sitting, 1038 00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:58,920 Speaker 1: he was behind the parapet and I don't if for 1039 00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:00,960 Speaker 1: those that don't know what the parapet is, it's like 1040 00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,160 Speaker 1: a little wall that, you know, a little too three 1041 00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:06,880 Speaker 1: football that they have around the tops of their buildings. Um. 1042 00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,160 Speaker 1: And he was standing kind of behind that. Um, so 1043 00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,759 Speaker 1: everything from his waist down was covered. And uh so 1044 00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:17,400 Speaker 1: I was like, Jane, Jane, you know, hey, here's a dude. Man. 1045 00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:21,080 Speaker 1: He's like, all right, you laced it out or like 1046 00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,800 Speaker 1: I don't even know if we were ahead because my 1047 00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,920 Speaker 1: range finder, no, my no, my range finders were working 1048 00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,080 Speaker 1: at that time. They got blown up. Like later on 1049 00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,279 Speaker 1: that day when I put the C four charge on 1050 00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:37,000 Speaker 1: the gate. Yeah it worked that time, that's all that matters. Yeah. 1051 00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:39,400 Speaker 1: So okay, so then we got the range and then 1052 00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:40,799 Speaker 1: I was like, all right, man, I need a win 1053 00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:42,600 Speaker 1: call and you're just you licked your finger and stuck 1054 00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:44,120 Speaker 1: it up in the air and you're like two left. 1055 00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:46,680 Speaker 1: I was like good enough. I sit in there, pulled 1056 00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,520 Speaker 1: the triggers and the head and kicked back. I actually 1057 00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,160 Speaker 1: didn't get to see that happened. I saw because I 1058 00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:56,000 Speaker 1: was so f y. I he's really downplaying the situation. 1059 00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,000 Speaker 1: So I gave him the wink call. And it was 1060 00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:01,000 Speaker 1: the right wind call. Guys, it was me doing my mathematics. Okay, 1061 00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:02,640 Speaker 1: So I gave him the right wigle. But I gave it, 1062 00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:06,480 Speaker 1: and I gave it in a in a um, in 1063 00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,040 Speaker 1: a ridiculous kind of way, you know. I licked my finger, 1064 00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:10,920 Speaker 1: you know. And I was just joking around because at 1065 00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:14,480 Speaker 1: this point we were, you know, shooting that guy's dropping guys, 1066 00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,040 Speaker 1: Like Jesse said, he already drops someone, Like we're in 1067 00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,600 Speaker 1: full mode here. But everyone knows me on this podcast. 1068 00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:22,719 Speaker 1: I'm a clown. I'm a clown in any situation. I 1069 00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,279 Speaker 1: think it's my defense mechanism when I'm scared. I kind 1070 00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,680 Speaker 1: of like make light of situations. I like to interject comedy. 1071 00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:31,400 Speaker 1: So I licked my finger and I say, in a 1072 00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:35,600 Speaker 1: British voice, it's about wanting to half right. Governor and 1073 00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:39,480 Speaker 1: then Jesse responds, he goes Roger and a half fright, 1074 00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:41,560 Speaker 1: and he puts it in on the gun and then 1075 00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:44,080 Speaker 1: I go, you know, on target, and he goes, you know, 1076 00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, on scope and he goes on target 1077 00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,560 Speaker 1: and I was like, you know, red ready and he 1078 00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:51,920 Speaker 1: lets the shot girl. And he doesn't remember this, and 1079 00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,120 Speaker 1: we talked about this before. We'll bring it back up, 1080 00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:57,000 Speaker 1: but you know, he and you know, he sends it 1081 00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,680 Speaker 1: out and all I see is this guy like his 1082 00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,720 Speaker 1: and come up to his face. Pink miss just blows 1083 00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,040 Speaker 1: out the back of his head and he just drops 1084 00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:08,400 Speaker 1: behind this parapet and I just remember just yelling. I 1085 00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:10,120 Speaker 1: think that's how Jesse knew he hit the guy. I 1086 00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:14,919 Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, you and we just got 1087 00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,320 Speaker 1: up off of the parapet and we started dancing. Like 1088 00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:22,080 Speaker 1: what happened while we were dancing, Jesse, I don't remember. 1089 00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you what. The bullets flying over, thank you, 1090 00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,760 Speaker 1: thank you, And it was so strange at that time. 1091 00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:33,440 Speaker 1: Soon it sounded like little hunting birds. It's like flying 1092 00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:36,000 Speaker 1: by really fast, you know, and you know, because we 1093 00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:39,000 Speaker 1: we hadn't really been shot at, you know, in close 1094 00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:42,320 Speaker 1: proximity for up to that point, so we didn't really 1095 00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,280 Speaker 1: know what a bullet going by your head sounded like. 1096 00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,480 Speaker 1: So we're like, man, what is that bugger bird or 1097 00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:50,680 Speaker 1: whatever that keeps going by? I call that an angry bee. 1098 00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:53,760 Speaker 1: It's not like an angry bee. I was like, yeah, yeah, 1099 00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:58,000 Speaker 1: We're like, what the hell is this? Yeah? So I 1100 00:57:58,080 --> 00:57:59,480 Speaker 1: think it dawned on us both and like at the 1101 00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:03,440 Speaker 1: same time, crapse a bullets and uh that we got 1102 00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,480 Speaker 1: down after. So we got down, we sat behind the 1103 00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:08,600 Speaker 1: parapet and I think I let off like twelve, two 1104 00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:10,080 Speaker 1: or three rounds. I was telling him. I know, I 1105 00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,800 Speaker 1: let off to twelve. I had the whole subload. I 1106 00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:15,720 Speaker 1: became a one man artillery piece and just let off 1107 00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:18,440 Speaker 1: in that general direction. The shooting eventually stopped and we 1108 00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:24,560 Speaker 1: came down. So that's not all science and wars. It 1109 00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:28,120 Speaker 1: was ridiculous. It was ridiculous, all right. So the second 1110 00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:31,240 Speaker 1: one shot one kill that you did when we were 1111 00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:34,000 Speaker 1: in the Ministry of Waters building, Before we get into 1112 00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,840 Speaker 1: current affairs and everything, I I just need the world 1113 00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,920 Speaker 1: to know this. Please, let's make it brief. What happened 1114 00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,200 Speaker 1: where we were on that rooftop. There was some looting 1115 00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,680 Speaker 1: going on going on, and next you know, we heard 1116 00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:49,120 Speaker 1: a k gunfire going off and downstairs, and we looked 1117 00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,600 Speaker 1: over the building and started observing, and what do we see. 1118 00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:55,440 Speaker 1: So there was this kid came running out from behind 1119 00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,200 Speaker 1: the building where it the gunfire had been coming from. 1120 00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:01,240 Speaker 1: And um, he was carrying a a and he was 1121 00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:03,360 Speaker 1: on a I mean a dead sprint. I don't think 1122 00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:05,160 Speaker 1: I've ever seen a deer on that fast. He was 1123 00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:09,080 Speaker 1: freaking flying across this big, huge it was like a 1124 00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,720 Speaker 1: city center, you know, like a city square, you know, 1125 00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:15,880 Speaker 1: but it was around and there's a bunch of crap there. Um, 1126 00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,920 Speaker 1: it was a gigantic intersection. That's probably the best way 1127 00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:23,040 Speaker 1: to say it. And so he started freaking cooking and 1128 00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:27,120 Speaker 1: he disappeared behind the statue, um from our point of view, 1129 00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,720 Speaker 1: and I picked him up on the other side. And 1130 00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,000 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, man, I'll be honest with you. 1131 00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:36,440 Speaker 1: I didn't put any scientific anything into that. I just felt. 1132 00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,720 Speaker 1: I actually just felt the shot because at that you 1133 00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:41,560 Speaker 1: felt it. But I think the lead I gave you 1134 00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:43,800 Speaker 1: was probably like, I want to say, two and a 1135 00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,000 Speaker 1: half mills. He was running. This kid was like in 1136 00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,560 Speaker 1: a dead sprint, and I said two and a half 1137 00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:50,520 Speaker 1: mills that you were leading him to the left, so 1138 00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:52,360 Speaker 1: because he was running for I gotta I gotta be 1139 00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,240 Speaker 1: honest about that story though I don't even know that. 1140 00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:57,000 Speaker 1: I know it's cool. I don't do that, and then 1141 00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:01,000 Speaker 1: it's all good. I just remember what I remember, like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 1142 01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:02,960 Speaker 1: of course, yeah. We we both we talked about that 1143 01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:06,600 Speaker 1: last time we talked. Both of us remember different details, 1144 01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:10,120 Speaker 1: you know, bring up a story after this, but go ahead. Yeah, 1145 01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:15,960 Speaker 1: uh so, yeah, pulled the trigger and that man, that 1146 01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:19,080 Speaker 1: guy was running, you know at like mock four and 1147 01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:21,600 Speaker 1: then it's like if you were running down a flight 1148 01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:23,920 Speaker 1: of stairs as fast as you could possibly humanly go 1149 01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:26,400 Speaker 1: and then just hit a wall. All of a sudden, 1150 01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:28,640 Speaker 1: it was like, that's how hard he hit the ground. 1151 01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:33,480 Speaker 1: And then there was this giant pull of blood form formed, 1152 01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,440 Speaker 1: you know after I've never seen anything like that in 1153 01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:40,320 Speaker 1: my life. When you broke best shot, that's what it got. 1154 01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:43,160 Speaker 1: It looked like it was intentional, as if that kid 1155 01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:46,360 Speaker 1: was trying to run into the assphoalt Yeah it did. 1156 01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:48,200 Speaker 1: It looked like that was his whole goal, you know, 1157 01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:53,560 Speaker 1: his goal was first into that. Oh, I gotta started 1158 01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:56,400 Speaker 1: laugh at that, But that was hilarious. That was really 1159 01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:59,120 Speaker 1: was pretty awesome. That was a good going man. It 1160 01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:03,120 Speaker 1: kind of vindicated it us to our that's the full sprint. 1161 01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:05,320 Speaker 1: You shot him at at full sprint, got him one shot, 1162 01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,280 Speaker 1: was killed and dropped. I remember correctly. That was like 1163 01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:10,760 Speaker 1: a fourteen year old kid. It was something crazy, But 1164 01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,680 Speaker 1: then that was a younger kid that came up. Yeah, 1165 01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:15,960 Speaker 1: I'm glad you got an award for it. I didn't 1166 01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,000 Speaker 1: get shipped, no, I I got a NAP. I got 1167 01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:20,439 Speaker 1: a NAMP would be but my second deployment I didn't 1168 01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:23,000 Speaker 1: get shipped with you know who. We can't mention his name, 1169 01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:26,080 Speaker 1: by the way. Uh this motherfucker to give me no credit, 1170 01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:31,560 Speaker 1: so um yeah fuck him anyway. UM So what Jesse 1171 01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:34,800 Speaker 1: was talking about alluding to last time, which was that 1172 01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:38,800 Speaker 1: we remember certain things in sniper school, I didn't write 1173 01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:40,640 Speaker 1: this in my book, but I kind of screwed him 1174 01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:42,880 Speaker 1: on one day on the range where I read off 1175 01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:50,919 Speaker 1: an entire different days of data on his I guess 1176 01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:53,439 Speaker 1: that's why I got hot shooter that. Yeah, I don't, 1177 01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:54,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean I may not have got that. 1178 01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:59,960 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sorry. You probably would have. I wouldn't remember. 1179 01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:01,560 Speaker 1: I wouldn't even talk to you for like a week 1180 01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:04,600 Speaker 1: after that. I was so sorry I didn't remember it. 1181 01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:08,560 Speaker 1: To be honest, in my whole world, I'm sorry I was. 1182 01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:13,120 Speaker 1: Oh my god, somebody makes mistakes. Jesse. I have a 1183 01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:15,680 Speaker 1: question for you with everything going on in this day 1184 01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:18,200 Speaker 1: and age, with with what's going on in Texas, with 1185 01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:21,280 Speaker 1: all these active shooter situations, with all these um lone 1186 01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:23,760 Speaker 1: with wolf attacks that they want to call, like, is 1187 01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,200 Speaker 1: there anything you do specifically day in and day out 1188 01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:29,240 Speaker 1: with your family as far as preparation or yourself, what 1189 01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:31,560 Speaker 1: you would would do you do anything to kind of 1190 01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:35,600 Speaker 1: like try to mitigate any one of those uh scenarios. 1191 01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:41,960 Speaker 1: Um not overly. I always kind of stay on alert 1192 01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:46,480 Speaker 1: to my situation and my surroundings. It's just something that 1193 01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:48,600 Speaker 1: got drilled into me over and over and over and 1194 01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:50,720 Speaker 1: over and over again. So at this point now I 1195 01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:52,520 Speaker 1: just pay attention to what's going on around me. It's 1196 01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:54,480 Speaker 1: best I can. I mean, I miss stuff too, but 1197 01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:59,480 Speaker 1: so if I'm with my family or something, uh, you know, 1198 01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:03,200 Speaker 1: I'm I'm on high alert all the time everywhere go 1199 01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:05,720 Speaker 1: just to make sure that you know, some dude keep 1200 01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:07,640 Speaker 1: getting out of a car going to rob a grocery 1201 01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:09,840 Speaker 1: store or something like that with a gun, and you know, 1202 01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:13,920 Speaker 1: my family is are there, so I always monitor that stuff. Well, 1203 01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:15,560 Speaker 1: that's good to go, brother, you know what I mean. 1204 01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:17,640 Speaker 1: And I think in this day and age, is necessary 1205 01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:20,320 Speaker 1: to be aware of the possibility because you know, we 1206 01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:22,960 Speaker 1: were in that mindset and combat, but then when we 1207 01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:28,280 Speaker 1: come home, we kind of get desensitized to the possibilities 1208 01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:31,240 Speaker 1: of something like that even occurring in this day and age. 1209 01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:34,320 Speaker 1: But you know, now with all this that we're facing, 1210 01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:38,280 Speaker 1: that's actually surfacing throughout the time frame, but throughout the periods, 1211 01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:41,120 Speaker 1: you know, it's like we almost have to kind of 1212 01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:43,720 Speaker 1: go back to who we were in combat. You know, 1213 01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:45,960 Speaker 1: like we have to look at the exits. We have 1214 01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:47,880 Speaker 1: to look at you know, what can we do if 1215 01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:51,360 Speaker 1: this situation arises, and it's almost fatiguing. I think it's exhausting, 1216 01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:54,360 Speaker 1: it really is. Yeah, it becomes second nature, but yeah, 1217 01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:57,600 Speaker 1: it is a little bit exhausting, especially if you're you know, 1218 01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:00,880 Speaker 1: so tuned in that you can't just relax. Um. I 1219 01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:04,320 Speaker 1: think I've gotten past that point now. Um, it's just 1220 01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:07,360 Speaker 1: kind of the second nature keeping you know, situational awareness. 1221 01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:12,640 Speaker 1: But yeah, Anyway, Hey, Jesse, I'm wondering with you know, 1222 01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:15,760 Speaker 1: the resurgence of of everything happening in the Middle East 1223 01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:18,800 Speaker 1: with ISIS and all that, and with your combat experience, 1224 01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:21,240 Speaker 1: is there any shift that you'd like to see it 1225 01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:26,160 Speaker 1: in foreign policy based on what you've done? Uh, To 1226 01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:29,840 Speaker 1: be honest with you, bro, I watched the news, so 1227 01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:33,160 Speaker 1: I don't have a clue what's going on overseas um. 1228 01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:35,520 Speaker 1: And then I'll tell you why too, because when we 1229 01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:39,080 Speaker 1: were overseas in Iraq, we had these reporters embedded with 1230 01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:42,880 Speaker 1: us and all kinds of nonsense. And when I remember 1231 01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:47,880 Speaker 1: getting back to the States and listening to the news 1232 01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:50,400 Speaker 1: and some of the stories that we're being told, and 1233 01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:53,840 Speaker 1: it was so far off base, like and I'm not 1234 01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:56,240 Speaker 1: even talking about like the liberal left, you know, I'm 1235 01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:59,680 Speaker 1: talking about there's just no way they got it right, 1236 01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:02,960 Speaker 1: you know, and they got nothing right. And so that 1237 01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:04,680 Speaker 1: kind of turned me off to the news. Honestly, I 1238 01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:07,320 Speaker 1: just don't pay attention to it anymore. You Know. What's 1239 01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:10,840 Speaker 1: interesting is is through this podcast and interviewing veterans and 1240 01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:13,280 Speaker 1: Jason I were saying, like earlier on how veterans are 1241 01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:16,240 Speaker 1: not a monolith and they all think differently. I feel 1242 01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:18,280 Speaker 1: like there's a lot of veterans who do get very 1243 01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:20,640 Speaker 1: into the news, you know, like you included Jason and 1244 01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,000 Speaker 1: who were always on top of seeing what's going on. 1245 01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:25,680 Speaker 1: And I've talked to other veterans and guys in the 1246 01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:28,440 Speaker 1: special operations community who don't follow the news at all 1247 01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:30,880 Speaker 1: and their attitude, and I don't know if this is 1248 01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:32,760 Speaker 1: your attitude. It is like I was sent over there 1249 01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:36,160 Speaker 1: with a purpose. I got whatever I needed to get done. 1250 01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:39,240 Speaker 1: And in terms of the politics, I don't really care. 1251 01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:41,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's that's your attitude. But I've 1252 01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:44,240 Speaker 1: heard other guys who echo that, Yeah, I don't think 1253 01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:47,840 Speaker 1: I'm that disengaged. You know, I do care how it's handled, 1254 01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:50,480 Speaker 1: and but I just I don't have I mean, that 1255 01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:55,080 Speaker 1: stuff is way above my pay grade. UM, I was 1256 01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:58,120 Speaker 1: just a sniper, you know, all that politics and stuff. 1257 01:05:58,120 --> 01:05:59,480 Speaker 1: I don't have a mind for that kind of thing 1258 01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:04,160 Speaker 1: that I say that. I guess I was just a snipe. 1259 01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:10,160 Speaker 1: The one thing though, that I do think veterans have 1260 01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:15,200 Speaker 1: seemed to agree agree upon um and especially Marines. I've 1261 01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:18,000 Speaker 1: heard veterans who are not happy with the current presidents, 1262 01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:21,160 Speaker 1: some who are, but everybody seemed to like when General 1263 01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:24,520 Speaker 1: Maddis got picked, and and I've just heard that he's 1264 01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:26,640 Speaker 1: a solid guy from everybody. Do you remember when he 1265 01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:30,720 Speaker 1: showed our ass out there? No, that was that was 1266 01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:33,640 Speaker 1: actually a Colonel McCoy, was it? No, it was Colonel McCoy, 1267 01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:35,880 Speaker 1: and Maddis was next to him, the one who kicked 1268 01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:40,760 Speaker 1: the headset of the radio. Because Maddis was there. Let's 1269 01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:42,840 Speaker 1: hear that. I mean, people probably want to hear a Maddis, 1270 01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:48,080 Speaker 1: But can't believe you didn't remember that, bro, I did 1271 01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:53,480 Speaker 1: not remember that. You're right. What happened. We were sitting 1272 01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:55,200 Speaker 1: up at a position and we were looking down this 1273 01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:58,640 Speaker 1: road and it was probably I don't remember how far 1274 01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:01,720 Speaker 1: out it wasn't don't matter, but um, there's this dude 1275 01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:04,680 Speaker 1: kept acting just weird. You know. We were just like, 1276 01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:07,640 Speaker 1: what's this going on? And he kept getting up and 1277 01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:09,440 Speaker 1: getting down, and we didn't know what was going on. 1278 01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:11,600 Speaker 1: But he hopped in a car and started driving as 1279 01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:16,960 Speaker 1: fast as he could towards um Are troops. Actually he 1280 01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:19,560 Speaker 1: didn't start out that way. Um, he started driving towards 1281 01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:23,120 Speaker 1: our troops. UM and we had a whole battalium of 1282 01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:28,000 Speaker 1: guys online and there was a tank like I don't 1283 01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:32,440 Speaker 1: know what he was thinking, to be honest, uh, And 1284 01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:34,560 Speaker 1: so we started driving and then so they fired some 1285 01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:36,960 Speaker 1: rounds into his car and then he just freaking I mean, 1286 01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:39,520 Speaker 1: he hit the gas like as hard as he could 1287 01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:42,760 Speaker 1: and he started just be lining straight to us, and 1288 01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:45,760 Speaker 1: they got lit up. Man, that got that dude. You 1289 01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:48,880 Speaker 1: remember the grunts that came up over the hill with 1290 01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:52,240 Speaker 1: the saw the two because I shot at the windshield 1291 01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:54,600 Speaker 1: trying to hit the driver, but I missed him, and 1292 01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:57,720 Speaker 1: that's when he accelerated. And then that's when the grunts 1293 01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:00,080 Speaker 1: came up over the hill with the two forty on 1294 01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:03,360 Speaker 1: and just bad like lit him up and just like 1295 01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:06,160 Speaker 1: exploded his head. And next thing you know, he was 1296 01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:11,080 Speaker 1: driving towards us because you know, yes, that's right, he 1297 01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:13,840 Speaker 1: flumped over in the wheel and jerked the car towards us. 1298 01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:17,080 Speaker 1: And we get I think we got away from that situation. 1299 01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:19,680 Speaker 1: JA was like within inches of our lives. Literally, I 1300 01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:22,280 Speaker 1: mean I'm not I'm not I'm not joking either, Like 1301 01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:27,280 Speaker 1: literally I think we like, yeah, we we came away 1302 01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:29,920 Speaker 1: from something crazy there. So we jumped out of the 1303 01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:33,240 Speaker 1: way and this car just like smashed into the berm 1304 01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:36,280 Speaker 1: we were on and started teetering, and we're in the 1305 01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:39,840 Speaker 1: fetal position in the middle of the street, just like 1306 01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:43,280 Speaker 1: counting our blessings, just rocking back and forth, talking about 1307 01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:46,519 Speaker 1: you know, I'll never drink again and making out of this, 1308 01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:48,800 Speaker 1: you know, like we're rocking back and forth, and next thing, 1309 01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:51,840 Speaker 1: you know, nothing happened, No explosion went off. We grabbed 1310 01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:54,559 Speaker 1: whatever the hell we could have because our spotting scope 1311 01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:56,240 Speaker 1: was out, our bag was out. You know, we were 1312 01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:59,000 Speaker 1: just we were observing. So we grab everything and we 1313 01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:01,120 Speaker 1: start running across the street to get away from this 1314 01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:04,160 Speaker 1: freaking vehicle that's teetering and in our minds it's about 1315 01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:07,360 Speaker 1: to explode. And my headset is like on the cable, 1316 01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:12,680 Speaker 1: like bouncing on the goddamn and Maddest just we go 1317 01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:15,599 Speaker 1: across the street and there's a Colonel McCoy and Madness 1318 01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:18,000 Speaker 1: right there standing side by side of each other, and 1319 01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:20,640 Speaker 1: they were like piste off of the night before his activities, 1320 01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:23,840 Speaker 1: which were pretty fucking hellacious. And you know, we walk 1321 01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:26,200 Speaker 1: across the street and we're running acrostreeting my ship, and 1322 01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:28,640 Speaker 1: Maddest looks at me, goes, what the funk are you 1323 01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:31,360 Speaker 1: guys doing? You look like pieces of ship, get your 1324 01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:34,879 Speaker 1: ship together, and my radio is bouncing, the headsets bouncing, 1325 01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:37,280 Speaker 1: and he takes his fucking boot and kicks the ship 1326 01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:41,439 Speaker 1: on my headset goes, please this you look like ship. 1327 01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:44,439 Speaker 1: And I'm just the whole time, like, why is he mad? 1328 01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:49,080 Speaker 1: I thought we were gonna die and we all did die, right, yeah, 1329 01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:54,080 Speaker 1: But I knew he was mad. I knew he was mad. 1330 01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:55,960 Speaker 1: Be good the day before and he was trying to 1331 01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:58,519 Speaker 1: be all diplomatic and ship. But you know, what are 1332 01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:00,479 Speaker 1: you gonna do? And and it makes sense because now 1333 01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:02,800 Speaker 1: at his point of view or his stance with the 1334 01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:05,519 Speaker 1: whole transgender issue in the military, like he kind of 1335 01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:08,679 Speaker 1: put that band or that that hold on the band 1336 01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:11,720 Speaker 1: and the transgenders and the military. Like Maddison is, you know, 1337 01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:13,800 Speaker 1: he's a general, he's a leader of marines, a leader 1338 01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:15,920 Speaker 1: of men, a leader of people. So you know, he 1339 01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:17,880 Speaker 1: has to be who he is in that situation. And 1340 01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:21,519 Speaker 1: now as a sect of you know, with that you know, 1341 01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:25,360 Speaker 1: facing that dilemma or that predicament, he put a hold 1342 01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:28,320 Speaker 1: on that band on transgenders because he's a he's a 1343 01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:31,360 Speaker 1: progressive thinker as far as the military. So I kind 1344 01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:33,400 Speaker 1: of understand where he's coming from, you know what I mean, 1345 01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:35,800 Speaker 1: And and and and made sense to me at that time. 1346 01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:39,320 Speaker 1: But because I felt that because at that time it 1347 01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:41,439 Speaker 1: made sense to me, because he was pissed at the 1348 01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:44,640 Speaker 1: day before, because the day before it was like a 1349 01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:46,720 Speaker 1: lot of ship went down that maybe didn't need to 1350 01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:49,320 Speaker 1: go down. But whatever, you know, I mean, it was 1351 01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:51,519 Speaker 1: it was war, it was hell, don't get me wrong. 1352 01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:56,519 Speaker 1: But he was upset at the political, uh perception of 1353 01:10:56,760 --> 01:11:00,360 Speaker 1: of that whole you know, conflict, you know, and he 1354 01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:03,120 Speaker 1: was conscious of it at that time, is what I'm saying. 1355 01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:05,559 Speaker 1: So I gotta understand where he's going with the whole, 1356 01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:08,160 Speaker 1: with that, with his point of view, with the whole transendtion, 1357 01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:09,439 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's just I don't know. 1358 01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:11,519 Speaker 1: To me is an insight as to who he is 1359 01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:13,479 Speaker 1: as a man, as as a leader, you know. So 1360 01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:15,880 Speaker 1: I don't know. I respect that. So you know where 1361 01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:18,160 Speaker 1: people will be, you know where people will comment against 1362 01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:20,639 Speaker 1: the whole transgender bush. You know all that. I'm gonna 1363 01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:22,439 Speaker 1: take a shot from my leader and I'm gonna say, 1364 01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:24,240 Speaker 1: you know what, not for nothing. You know, if he's 1365 01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:26,639 Speaker 1: willing to accept that whatso and so be it, I'm 1366 01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:28,560 Speaker 1: not talking about the whole infantry. J I give me 1367 01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:35,479 Speaker 1: a second. In general, those with the popes right in general? 1368 01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:38,160 Speaker 1: Are you guys happy with with Maddess, like from what 1369 01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:41,280 Speaker 1: you know about him? Fuck? Yeah, man, I think I 1370 01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:44,080 Speaker 1: don't know about I think he's a solid dude. I 1371 01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:46,719 Speaker 1: mean he I don't know if um, Jay you remember, 1372 01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:48,479 Speaker 1: but he pulled a bunch of our guys over and 1373 01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:50,760 Speaker 1: in the from our Sniper Perple Tune down and Camp 1374 01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:54,200 Speaker 1: Penalton to like he there is like a carload of 1375 01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:57,360 Speaker 1: guys that were they were all driving too fast and 1376 01:11:57,479 --> 01:12:01,960 Speaker 1: he freaking shuled up right beside him in there said 1377 01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:04,640 Speaker 1: pull the funk over, you know, and he was. I 1378 01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:07,560 Speaker 1: remember getting a ticket in Pendleton by going to the 1379 01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:13,320 Speaker 1: range done Carrington. Um, I don't know if Stephen was 1380 01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:16,160 Speaker 1: with him? Yeah, I don't know. I remember that. I 1381 01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:18,000 Speaker 1: don't know. That was fucking maddest. Like I knew I 1382 01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:24,320 Speaker 1: was a boot? Are you fucking kidding me? I'm not? 1383 01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:30,360 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm such a fucking boot. Oh my gosh. 1384 01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:33,519 Speaker 1: That was funny. Good times, man, a great times. And 1385 01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:36,680 Speaker 1: Jesse bro I appreciate you coming on here and just 1386 01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:38,920 Speaker 1: keeping it real and talking about you know, and and 1387 01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:41,400 Speaker 1: more so, you know, giving your insight on the transition 1388 01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:43,840 Speaker 1: between being a marine's called sniper to going and cross 1389 01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:45,680 Speaker 1: decking over into the army and so on and so forth. 1390 01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:48,160 Speaker 1: That's not you know, I know you want to clarify, 1391 01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:51,160 Speaker 1: that's not going to be everyone's experience, of course. Yeah, 1392 01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:54,639 Speaker 1: that's right. Yeah. Well, Jesse, is there anything that you're 1393 01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:57,600 Speaker 1: working on now or anything you're promoting? I mean, is 1394 01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:00,320 Speaker 1: there a possibility of us seeing you doing any writing? 1395 01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:03,639 Speaker 1: I need? I want to hear Jesse's book because it's 1396 01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:06,519 Speaker 1: I want to. I think you deserve it, Jesse, and 1397 01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:08,280 Speaker 1: I say it to this day. You're probably one of 1398 01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:11,960 Speaker 1: the best fucking sniper combat snipers. I know. Oh man, 1399 01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:16,800 Speaker 1: well that's a little too high praise for me, man, 1400 01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:21,680 Speaker 1: But uh, I would I don't think people would like 1401 01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:24,720 Speaker 1: reading it. But you think people would like reading Come on, 1402 01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:27,719 Speaker 1: you know me? You know how you think people would 1403 01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:29,439 Speaker 1: like reading my book? But they do. They like it, 1404 01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:32,120 Speaker 1: They enjoy it because you know what it's not about. 1405 01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:36,200 Speaker 1: It's not about Jesse Davenport, the man, the fucking miss 1406 01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:39,280 Speaker 1: the legend. It's about the lessons you learn and something 1407 01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:41,680 Speaker 1: that you can pass on to the younger generation, the 1408 01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:44,759 Speaker 1: guys that you want to prevent for making the mistakes 1409 01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:48,040 Speaker 1: we made, or you know, giving the giving them the track, 1410 01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:50,800 Speaker 1: the successful track in life. You know, that's what they 1411 01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:52,840 Speaker 1: want to know. And I think we have pretty we 1412 01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:55,400 Speaker 1: got time, um about something that kind of shaped me, 1413 01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:57,599 Speaker 1: you know that happened in combat. Go for it, brother, 1414 01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:01,120 Speaker 1: all right? UM, I remember you and I were in 1415 01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:05,840 Speaker 1: the city center and a bag Dad after we invaded, 1416 01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:08,800 Speaker 1: you know, um, finally crossed into bag Dad, and there 1417 01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:12,639 Speaker 1: was that big parade down there, you know, freaking people 1418 01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:15,120 Speaker 1: throwing their kids at us, trying to get up, people 1419 01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:18,920 Speaker 1: coming out with like and stuff. Yeah, it was crazy 1420 01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:23,040 Speaker 1: and I felt it like liberation of Paris, and yeah 1421 01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:25,679 Speaker 1: it was crazy. So I remember you and I said, 1422 01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:29,960 Speaker 1: set up at that um the little circle at the down, 1423 01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:32,360 Speaker 1: you know, in the middle of downtown there and where 1424 01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:35,840 Speaker 1: the Saddam statue was. And there's actually two stories that 1425 01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:39,600 Speaker 1: come out of this. One of them was m I 1426 01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:43,559 Speaker 1: remember looking over to my right over you actually, because 1427 01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:46,519 Speaker 1: I think you were on my right, and I just 1428 01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:49,640 Speaker 1: saw this because there was this mob of people just 1429 01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:54,080 Speaker 1: gathered around this um center, and all of a sudden, 1430 01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:57,320 Speaker 1: one guy broke free from that mob. And he he 1431 01:14:57,479 --> 01:15:00,839 Speaker 1: was started sprinting as hard as he could towards that statue. 1432 01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:03,280 Speaker 1: In the mid sprint, he grabbed his sandal off of 1433 01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:06,760 Speaker 1: his foot and then he rolled up. He got up 1434 01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:09,240 Speaker 1: to that statue and just started slapping it as hard 1435 01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:12,000 Speaker 1: as he could and and then it was like a 1436 01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:14,040 Speaker 1: tidal wave of broke and all of a sudden there 1437 01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:16,519 Speaker 1: was like six thousand dudes trying to climb on the 1438 01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:19,800 Speaker 1: statue and slapping it and all kind of craziness. Um. 1439 01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:21,920 Speaker 1: So that was a defining moment for me. I feel 1440 01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:25,200 Speaker 1: like really really privileged to have been part of. We're 1441 01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:28,160 Speaker 1: talking about the taking that world history event, you know, 1442 01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:30,280 Speaker 1: and we're talking about the taking down to the statue 1443 01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:31,800 Speaker 1: of Saddam. That was us. We were there in the 1444 01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:34,479 Speaker 1: square and at that time, the way I described it 1445 01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:36,839 Speaker 1: in the book is I was too busy, like trying 1446 01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:42,559 Speaker 1: to glass every possible window within a three and sixty 1447 01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:46,600 Speaker 1: degree area, trying to protect Lieutenant Colonel McCoy, who was 1448 01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:49,040 Speaker 1: at that time was calling up the tank to link 1449 01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:51,400 Speaker 1: up the chain and knock it down because they already 1450 01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:55,000 Speaker 1: initiated the assault on the statue. So at that time 1451 01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:58,760 Speaker 1: I realized to myself this is literally impossible. There's no 1452 01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:01,439 Speaker 1: way in hell I can protect this bad from all 1453 01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:05,439 Speaker 1: these windows. So it's very exhausting. It was super and 1454 01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:08,200 Speaker 1: you felt like, um, you know, you had you felt 1455 01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:09,960 Speaker 1: like you had one bullet and there was six million 1456 01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:11,439 Speaker 1: people in front of you, and like what do you do? 1457 01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:17,120 Speaker 1: And and and what is it? Was? Uh iraqis or 1458 01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:20,160 Speaker 1: should I say Arabics? And and hitting people with shoes, 1459 01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:23,760 Speaker 1: Like what the hell is that about? Remember the guy 1460 01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:26,600 Speaker 1: that with the shoe assaulter was President Bush. You know 1461 01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:30,720 Speaker 1: that was ridiculous. Yeah, that's why I suppose. I guess 1462 01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:33,000 Speaker 1: that's a big insult over there, um is to even 1463 01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:35,000 Speaker 1: see the bottom of somebody's shoes. He came like, cross 1464 01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:37,320 Speaker 1: your legs while you're sitting down and nothing. I guess, 1465 01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:40,920 Speaker 1: I guess Jesse once again. But if if I could 1466 01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:44,240 Speaker 1: just what's I didn't really answer the other part of 1467 01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:46,280 Speaker 1: that question, wondering if you're working on anything, anything you 1468 01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:49,880 Speaker 1: want to promote. Well, I would love to write a book, man, 1469 01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:51,720 Speaker 1: but I'm definitely not in the middle of it. I 1470 01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:54,880 Speaker 1: don't even know where i'd start. Uh, I'm not trying 1471 01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:57,479 Speaker 1: to promote anything on I'm building up an inheritance for 1472 01:16:57,560 --> 01:17:01,559 Speaker 1: my children. Very cool. Uh. I started a beekeeping business 1473 01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:05,280 Speaker 1: from my daughter, and that's interesting, the mechanic tools to 1474 01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:07,519 Speaker 1: my son. I mean, that's just you know, you don't 1475 01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:11,479 Speaker 1: think like going from sniper to bee keeping business, right right? 1476 01:17:12,479 --> 01:17:15,519 Speaker 1: Tattoo artists? Yeah, you know, I feel like sniper to 1477 01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:18,120 Speaker 1: tattoo artist is a little bit more normal than than 1478 01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:20,400 Speaker 1: sniper to bee keeping business. I don't know would I 1479 01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:22,400 Speaker 1: wouldn't think, like, all right, I'll give it to you 1480 01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:26,080 Speaker 1: pent man. You know, you get all the honey in 1481 01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:28,120 Speaker 1: the world, you get to help people with allergies. I 1482 01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:31,200 Speaker 1: guess I don't know, yeah, yeah, yeah, well, I mean 1483 01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:32,880 Speaker 1: it's for my daughter. I don't really care about all 1484 01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:35,040 Speaker 1: the I'm just I'm just setting it up for my 1485 01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:37,000 Speaker 1: daughter so when she gets older she can walk into 1486 01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:41,800 Speaker 1: something in life, because I started out with nothing, and 1487 01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:43,680 Speaker 1: so just to give her a head start, you know, 1488 01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:46,120 Speaker 1: just a couple of miles ahead everybody else, you know, 1489 01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:49,360 Speaker 1: starting out with a business. Is there anywhere that people 1490 01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:53,760 Speaker 1: can find you, Jesse or you completely anonymous? Jesse gave 1491 01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:56,080 Speaker 1: us a picture of the back of his goddamn head 1492 01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:58,160 Speaker 1: for this episode, like jes It, come on now, you 1493 01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:02,759 Speaker 1: gotta stop hiding on door. I had bright Alright, alright, 1494 01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:05,280 Speaker 1: but is there any way something could buy your daughter's Uh? 1495 01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:09,400 Speaker 1: Let him answer the first question. Sorry, I'm sorry, which 1496 01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:13,000 Speaker 1: is is there anywhere that people could find you? Uh? 1497 01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:15,920 Speaker 1: Not really? I live in North Carolina with my wife, 1498 01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:19,599 Speaker 1: So you're not on Twitter, not on Instagram, I'm not okay, 1499 01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:22,080 Speaker 1: I'm not on any social media at all. I have 1500 01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:24,200 Speaker 1: an email I addressed, but I share with my wife. 1501 01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:28,320 Speaker 1: I gotta ask. I gotta ask, especially if the guys, 1502 01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:30,559 Speaker 1: you know, because I could tell you that there's gonna 1503 01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:33,800 Speaker 1: be thousands of people who probably want to learn more 1504 01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:37,519 Speaker 1: about you, and so I would love to share some stories. 1505 01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:39,840 Speaker 1: I'll tell you that any time, I'm going to share, 1506 01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:41,760 Speaker 1: and if if you guys got time. The other thing 1507 01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:43,439 Speaker 1: I wanted to share about that time when we were 1508 01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:47,040 Speaker 1: in that center downtown when the statue and all that, Um, 1509 01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:50,960 Speaker 1: there's this old after after all that happened and jump 1510 01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:55,800 Speaker 1: God and I we're in our track or something, we're 1511 01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:59,040 Speaker 1: about to load up and this old man, I'm telling you, 1512 01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:05,800 Speaker 1: he's probably eight, which is old for Iraq. Uh. He 1513 01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:09,559 Speaker 1: came up to me and he had I'm gonna get 1514 01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:12,000 Speaker 1: teared just even saying this. He had tears just rolling 1515 01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:14,720 Speaker 1: down his face, you know, and he said, uh, it 1516 01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:17,920 Speaker 1: is Saddam dead. And I told him, you know, because 1517 01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:19,600 Speaker 1: we hadn't got him at that point. And so I 1518 01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:21,400 Speaker 1: told him, I said, now, but we'll we'll get him. 1519 01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:24,479 Speaker 1: We'll get him. And he said, okay, good good, And 1520 01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:27,000 Speaker 1: I just you can see this wave of relief coming 1521 01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:30,680 Speaker 1: over with this man, Um and those people. There's a 1522 01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:34,720 Speaker 1: lot of people that suffered really badly under Saddam. Um, 1523 01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:37,880 Speaker 1: so I'm very good with having gone over there. And 1524 01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:39,559 Speaker 1: that's why I kind of turned away from the news 1525 01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:42,160 Speaker 1: because there was nothing like that being shared on the news. 1526 01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:44,960 Speaker 1: You know, it was important to say. I think that's 1527 01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:48,280 Speaker 1: very important to say. And Um, there's a situation where 1528 01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:52,920 Speaker 1: I come in to allude to that when we remember 1529 01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:55,040 Speaker 1: when we want who say but? And we haven't even 1530 01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:57,920 Speaker 1: talked about who say but, Jesse, but we were who 1531 01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:01,280 Speaker 1: say but? You remember the first thing these people did 1532 01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:05,400 Speaker 1: with their freedom was what exactly. They threw up satellite 1533 01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:11,840 Speaker 1: dishes because they were so deprived from news and information 1534 01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:15,240 Speaker 1: of the world, similar to North Korea if you look 1535 01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:17,760 Speaker 1: at it in this day and age where everything that 1536 01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:23,320 Speaker 1: is being funneled into their individual homes is scrutinized. So 1537 01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:26,040 Speaker 1: it's the same thing that happened in that country where 1538 01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:28,519 Speaker 1: the moment we liberated them, they didn't want to do 1539 01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:33,439 Speaker 1: anything else but have that thirst for what is happening 1540 01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:37,400 Speaker 1: in the world and to see that firsthand. It's something 1541 01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:39,400 Speaker 1: that I don't know if I can put into words 1542 01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:42,519 Speaker 1: so that the audience can understand, like we gave that 1543 01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:45,600 Speaker 1: to these people. We gave these people the channel to 1544 01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:50,960 Speaker 1: tune in to the rest of the earth, not other nations, 1545 01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:56,080 Speaker 1: not the earth they had. You remember you, did I 1546 01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:59,360 Speaker 1: ever tell you that story where me Slampka, Jesse and 1547 01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:01,360 Speaker 1: all those guys. We went into the house and I 1548 01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:06,599 Speaker 1: heard the I heard um Kellis's milkshake video in the uh. 1549 01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:10,080 Speaker 1: I didn't tell you that. So I going to this 1550 01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:12,120 Speaker 1: you know, we're going to this house. We take over 1551 01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:13,640 Speaker 1: this house like we did so many times before, we 1552 01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:16,240 Speaker 1: took over the houses for observation. And I go into 1553 01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:18,599 Speaker 1: the kitchen because I hear this strange noise and I'm 1554 01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:20,360 Speaker 1: walking in the next thing, you know, this is old 1555 01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:25,640 Speaker 1: man staring at Kellis on television singing the boys to 1556 01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:28,519 Speaker 1: the yard. And they're like, and I'm thinking to myself, 1557 01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:31,839 Speaker 1: what where the hell am I This guy is listening 1558 01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:34,800 Speaker 1: to this music, watching this music video, but like it's 1559 01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:37,920 Speaker 1: so focused that he didn't know that an entire freaking 1560 01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:40,800 Speaker 1: team of scott snipers I took over his house. You know, 1561 01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:42,920 Speaker 1: Like this guy was into it. But you know what, 1562 01:21:43,439 --> 01:21:46,479 Speaker 1: for nothing, I understood it because this is the first 1563 01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:50,559 Speaker 1: time they had exposure to the rest of the world. Yeah, 1564 01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:52,400 Speaker 1: and I don't know if your viewers know this. I'm 1565 01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:54,599 Speaker 1: sure most of them are, you know, former military at all, 1566 01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:59,080 Speaker 1: But no, it's honestly, it's about split man. Yeah, a 1567 01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:01,599 Speaker 1: lot a lot of young it's wanting to come in. Um, 1568 01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:05,519 Speaker 1: every home in Iraq had to have a picture of 1569 01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:11,840 Speaker 1: Saddamvious saying and that was law. And if if him 1570 01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:14,080 Speaker 1: and his cronies ever came around to your village and 1571 01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:17,240 Speaker 1: found any room inside your house without a picture of it, 1572 01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:20,599 Speaker 1: they put you there death. Yeah that's I mean, that's 1573 01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:24,880 Speaker 1: how oppressed those people were powerful, you know, And yeah 1574 01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:26,439 Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, And I didn't see any of that 1575 01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:30,920 Speaker 1: in the news, you know. Like I feel like anyone 1576 01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:34,400 Speaker 1: living in America like doesn't realize what it's like to 1577 01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:38,479 Speaker 1: truly live under a dictatorship. To truly live under, you know, 1578 01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:43,280 Speaker 1: whether it's fascism or communism or an Islamic theocracy. Um. 1579 01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:46,680 Speaker 1: And you know, we're very privileged here and I think 1580 01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:48,960 Speaker 1: that's why a lot of the times veterans combat veterans 1581 01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:51,960 Speaker 1: like yourselves come back here and you know, you're like you, 1582 01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:54,000 Speaker 1: people don't know how good you have it. And I 1583 01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:57,439 Speaker 1: get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I have a whole 1584 01:22:57,479 --> 01:23:01,240 Speaker 1: new appreciation for life, will be honest. My military service 1585 01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:05,439 Speaker 1: was a great foundation, um for me to go through 1586 01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:07,479 Speaker 1: the rest of my life with. And I wouldn't trade 1587 01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:09,040 Speaker 1: any of it for anything. And I'm you know, a 1588 01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:13,120 Speaker 1: dent and disabled veteran. UM. I wouldn't take any of 1589 01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:16,400 Speaker 1: those injuries back for even one moment of my time. 1590 01:23:16,479 --> 01:23:19,320 Speaker 1: And I loved it. It was blast powerful, man. I 1591 01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:21,040 Speaker 1: think this is a good good way to wrap it up. 1592 01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:22,720 Speaker 1: I mean, it's been an honor happing on and I'm 1593 01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:24,960 Speaker 1: sure that there's hundreds of other stories that we could 1594 01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:28,599 Speaker 1: tell at some point. Yeah, I hope you stop being 1595 01:23:28,760 --> 01:23:33,320 Speaker 1: a fucking reclusive come out in the open, mall off. 1596 01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:36,680 Speaker 1: And there's especially the younger generation this guy's that you know, 1597 01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:38,519 Speaker 1: they want to hear from you. Man, You're a teacher. 1598 01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:41,000 Speaker 1: You know, you're someone that they could look up to. 1599 01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:43,639 Speaker 1: You know, just embrace that, brother, because you You've been 1600 01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:45,600 Speaker 1: that for me, you know, and I just think you 1601 01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:48,280 Speaker 1: could be that for you know, someone younger, someone coming 1602 01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:50,240 Speaker 1: up in the game. All Right. I don't know if 1603 01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:52,639 Speaker 1: you remember me saying this to you, j but um, 1604 01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:54,680 Speaker 1: I remember telling you, like at the very end of 1605 01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:56,600 Speaker 1: like kind of as we were getting out and all that, 1606 01:23:56,800 --> 01:23:59,360 Speaker 1: I said, hey man, and you know you were cocky, 1607 01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:03,120 Speaker 1: so I'm not going to be I was. I know 1608 01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:05,120 Speaker 1: I was told you. I don't know if you remember, 1609 01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:06,479 Speaker 1: but I told you. I said, hey man, you were 1610 01:24:06,479 --> 01:24:09,439 Speaker 1: always a better sniper than I was. The fun guy here. 1611 01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:12,040 Speaker 1: You were just too cocky and that's why I was 1612 01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:14,720 Speaker 1: the team that. Yeah, no, you're right, You're right, and 1613 01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:18,120 Speaker 1: so to speak, were going back to that situation. Um. 1614 01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:21,760 Speaker 1: Actually I didn't know this until the last conversation we had, 1615 01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:25,639 Speaker 1: but the person that I don't want to mention actually 1616 01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:28,040 Speaker 1: on his m R OH gave you the chief scout 1617 01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:30,680 Speaker 1: sniper position in three seven on the m R O. 1618 01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:33,960 Speaker 1: I didn't know. This is fucking prick. The whole time 1619 01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:37,479 Speaker 1: I'm thinking that, you know, he's got me running ship 1620 01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:40,920 Speaker 1: up in Hussbaum. Neil gave me the position I brought 1621 01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:43,200 Speaker 1: you guys over, So the entire deployment, I'm thinking, I'm 1622 01:24:43,280 --> 01:24:44,800 Speaker 1: running the show and next thing, you know, you get 1623 01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:47,479 Speaker 1: the fucking credits. But whatever, I don't give you know, 1624 01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:49,759 Speaker 1: and I get it though, And but I get it, Jessie, 1625 01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:52,960 Speaker 1: And honestly, we were two separates, No, but we were. Yeah, 1626 01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:55,960 Speaker 1: we were three separate patoons because you have Steve's fucking 1627 01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:58,840 Speaker 1: team there as well. So you had Steve's team, your team, 1628 01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:00,640 Speaker 1: and my team. But you know what, I get it 1629 01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:03,840 Speaker 1: because I'm an abrasive kind of guy and back then 1630 01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:07,760 Speaker 1: I was even worse. There was no Yeah, there wasn't 1631 01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:10,360 Speaker 1: no compromising for me. Yeah, I would. I would be 1632 01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:13,080 Speaker 1: a sergeant and I would go to bat with fucking 1633 01:25:13,240 --> 01:25:17,120 Speaker 1: staff sergeants. So you know, like I understand, I totally 1634 01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:19,439 Speaker 1: get it. So no, no big deal. And it's crazy 1635 01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:23,160 Speaker 1: how I'm hearing your story and then my story, and 1636 01:25:24,280 --> 01:25:29,240 Speaker 1: it's crazy how our situations, although aligned and although parallel 1637 01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:32,479 Speaker 1: to each other, they're different. It's so crazy, right, Yeah, 1638 01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:36,680 Speaker 1: with two different perspectives. You know, it would be fun 1639 01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:39,439 Speaker 1: to write a book about things from my perspective. That 1640 01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:41,000 Speaker 1: would be dope, and I would love to read it, 1641 01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:43,000 Speaker 1: my brother, because you know what, I think you have 1642 01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:46,360 Speaker 1: a lot to give and offer the community, so the 1643 01:25:46,360 --> 01:25:49,000 Speaker 1: sniper community. Man, You're You're the man, Bro, You're the man. 1644 01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:50,880 Speaker 1: You always will be the man to my eyes. Man, 1645 01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:55,280 Speaker 1: that's too high praise for me. Man, I appreciate it. 1646 01:25:56,320 --> 01:25:58,120 Speaker 1: Thank you, Jesse. I love you. My brother talked to 1647 01:25:58,160 --> 01:26:00,360 Speaker 1: you soon. Bro. I love you too, Bro. Thanks story. 1648 01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:03,160 Speaker 1: We'll have you back at some point. Oh great, sounds 1649 01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:08,160 Speaker 1: good appreciative here, Yeah, alright, so awesome perspective from Chesse. 1650 01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:10,200 Speaker 1: You are right, though, Man, he's one of these guys 1651 01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:13,559 Speaker 1: who's like completely off the grid, is seriously off the grid. 1652 01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:17,160 Speaker 1: What do you think is is the main reason for that? 1653 01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:20,400 Speaker 1: Because you know, even guys who who are out there 1654 01:26:20,439 --> 01:26:23,240 Speaker 1: who aren't writing books. You know, let's say you for example. 1655 01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:25,080 Speaker 1: You know, even though you were featured in the book, 1656 01:26:25,080 --> 01:26:26,720 Speaker 1: you were writing your own book, like you still have 1657 01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:29,479 Speaker 1: a presence on Instagram. You were easy to find. Why 1658 01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:30,800 Speaker 1: do you think a guy like him is just like 1659 01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:34,080 Speaker 1: I don't want to maybe maybe he hasn't sought out 1660 01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:36,439 Speaker 1: And this is my brother and I know he wouldn't 1661 01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:38,960 Speaker 1: really hold me against us, but maybe he hasn't sought 1662 01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:43,840 Speaker 1: out the the outside perspective to kind of give him 1663 01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:47,320 Speaker 1: that confidence in which what he did was actually a 1664 01:26:47,439 --> 01:26:50,680 Speaker 1: great thing. Um, And I had to seek that out 1665 01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:53,320 Speaker 1: after my fall. You know, I had to fall from 1666 01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:56,200 Speaker 1: grace in order to get Bill back up. So remember 1667 01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:58,560 Speaker 1: I say it all the time. I got out of 1668 01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:01,480 Speaker 1: the military. When I got out the military, I disappeared. 1669 01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:04,439 Speaker 1: I I went into the underground of New York. I 1670 01:27:04,520 --> 01:27:06,960 Speaker 1: became a tattoo artist of barber and you know, I 1671 01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:11,120 Speaker 1: refused to be acknowledged by my name Jason Delgado. I 1672 01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:12,800 Speaker 1: didn't want to hear that no more. I didn't want 1673 01:27:12,840 --> 01:27:16,720 Speaker 1: to hear the last name Delgado anymore. I cringed when 1674 01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:20,439 Speaker 1: I heard Delgado because I associated with something that I 1675 01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:24,040 Speaker 1: did that I wasn't proud of, which was being a sniper, 1676 01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:27,320 Speaker 1: which was taking lives, which was having you know, making 1677 01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:29,680 Speaker 1: a profession on that. So I wasn't proud of that 1678 01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:34,080 Speaker 1: for a while because I didn't hear that outside perspective 1679 01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:37,880 Speaker 1: that gave me that comfort in, you know, knowing that 1680 01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:41,320 Speaker 1: you know, I kind of did some sort of good. 1681 01:27:41,439 --> 01:27:43,800 Speaker 1: You understand I'm saying. So there's some guys I just 1682 01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:47,920 Speaker 1: they want to build themselves as an individual, as as 1683 01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:51,519 Speaker 1: a person, not as what they did in combat, as 1684 01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:54,439 Speaker 1: what they did in the military. They want that, they 1685 01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:59,559 Speaker 1: want those accolades as a civilian, as a functional member 1686 01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:04,080 Speaker 1: of society, as a beekeeper, as an agricultural specialist, as 1687 01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:06,320 Speaker 1: you know, they want to prove to themselves that they 1688 01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:09,160 Speaker 1: could be more than just a killer. Yeah, which it 1689 01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:12,080 Speaker 1: is weird here in that interview. You know, you're talking 1690 01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:16,080 Speaker 1: about having to shoot people who were teenagers. You know, 1691 01:28:16,240 --> 01:28:18,840 Speaker 1: like it's weird as me as civilian to sit back. 1692 01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:20,479 Speaker 1: But at the same time, I know enough from you 1693 01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:22,920 Speaker 1: guys that you know, you go to a country like 1694 01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:26,840 Speaker 1: Iraq or you know, anywhere, whether it's Afghanistan, there are 1695 01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:30,439 Speaker 1: gonna be young kids who are used to kill marines, 1696 01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:33,680 Speaker 1: military personnel. And it's it's part of the job, right, 1697 01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:37,080 Speaker 1: It's it's them or you at the end of the day. 1698 01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:40,760 Speaker 1: And and and when you have those flashbacks or those 1699 01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:43,639 Speaker 1: glimpses of your family back at home, of your mother, 1700 01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:49,040 Speaker 1: of your father, of your children, you realize that it 1701 01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:52,720 Speaker 1: will always be you. You will always choose you over 1702 01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:56,880 Speaker 1: the situation. So, whether it's a fifteen year old a 1703 01:28:57,040 --> 01:28:59,679 Speaker 1: sixteen year old, a thirty year old, It doesn't matter. 1704 01:28:59,800 --> 01:29:02,960 Speaker 1: This individual is trying to snuff my life. He's trying 1705 01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:06,080 Speaker 1: to take me away from those who love me. I'm 1706 01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:08,439 Speaker 1: gonna make that decision right then and there, and that 1707 01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:11,880 Speaker 1: decision will always be them. They're going, I'm sorry. I 1708 01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:15,479 Speaker 1: I will deal with this later, but we're at the 1709 01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:18,080 Speaker 1: point and this is where I'm I'm I'm gonna tie 1710 01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:21,000 Speaker 1: it into the whole staying away from social media and 1711 01:29:21,080 --> 01:29:25,080 Speaker 1: all that later on. I'll deal with the aftermath. I'll 1712 01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:29,799 Speaker 1: deal with the mental consequence. I'll deal with the Maybe 1713 01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:33,519 Speaker 1: this kid deserves to live, maybe this kid didn't. Maybe 1714 01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:35,880 Speaker 1: you know, we don't got time for that. Maybe right 1715 01:29:35,920 --> 01:29:39,479 Speaker 1: there and there, we don't got time to contemplate good 1716 01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:42,400 Speaker 1: or bad at that moment. All we know is violence 1717 01:29:42,439 --> 01:29:46,960 Speaker 1: of action is what brings you home. Well, getting back 1718 01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:49,519 Speaker 1: into what we were originally talking about, because we kind 1719 01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:51,000 Speaker 1: of wrapped it up as we were talking about the 1720 01:29:51,080 --> 01:29:55,120 Speaker 1: Texas shooting because there's just so much to digest there. 1721 01:29:55,800 --> 01:29:59,679 Speaker 1: Uh Yeah. Alex from the website posted up the video 1722 01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:03,040 Speaker 1: um courtesy of ABC. If this made me emotional, by 1723 01:30:03,080 --> 01:30:05,800 Speaker 1: the way, Yeah, So let's play it because I think 1724 01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:08,439 Speaker 1: people want to hear this show. Um, just to make 1725 01:30:08,479 --> 01:30:10,880 Speaker 1: sure that I have this right. This is Steven Wilford, 1726 01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:14,760 Speaker 1: the man who took down the shooter in Texas. So 1727 01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:17,320 Speaker 1: you know, a good guy with a gun story. He 1728 01:30:17,479 --> 01:30:23,839 Speaker 1: saw me and I saw him, and I was standing 1729 01:30:23,920 --> 01:30:29,800 Speaker 1: behind the pickup truck for cover, and we exchanged I'm like, 1730 01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:34,639 Speaker 1: it was surreal to me. It could couldn't be, couldn't 1731 01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:41,160 Speaker 1: be happening. I could not believe it, um, And we 1732 01:30:41,400 --> 01:30:45,200 Speaker 1: we exchanged gunfire, and I know I hit him. I 1733 01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:50,400 Speaker 1: don't know where I hit him, but I know I 1734 01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:57,120 Speaker 1: hit him. And he got into his vehicle and he 1735 01:30:57,240 --> 01:31:01,160 Speaker 1: fired another couple of rounds through his side window, and 1736 01:31:01,320 --> 01:31:05,559 Speaker 1: I fired. When the window dropped, I fired another round 1737 01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:11,040 Speaker 1: at him again. And one is he was pulling away 1738 01:31:11,560 --> 01:31:15,000 Speaker 1: and he turned down five thirty nine farm the market 1739 01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:18,879 Speaker 1: road five thirty nine and sped away, and I noticed 1740 01:31:19,320 --> 01:31:22,840 Speaker 1: that there was a four wheel drive Dodge truck another 1741 01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:26,479 Speaker 1: truck said that the stop sign and a guy had 1742 01:31:26,840 --> 01:31:31,040 Speaker 1: watched this whole thing take place. I ran over to 1743 01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:34,080 Speaker 1: his truck and I said, that guy just shot up 1744 01:31:34,720 --> 01:31:38,759 Speaker 1: the Baptist church. We need to stop him. He opened 1745 01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:42,640 Speaker 1: his door and I got in and we pursued, and 1746 01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:48,400 Speaker 1: he had quite a lead on us, and uh we 1747 01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:51,760 Speaker 1: chased him down five thirty nine and and when we 1748 01:31:52,040 --> 01:31:55,160 Speaker 1: first started chasing him, he was out of sight and 1749 01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:58,840 Speaker 1: and and the man driving the truck was was I 1750 01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:03,000 Speaker 1: found out later his name is Johnny. He was driving 1751 01:32:03,080 --> 01:32:05,519 Speaker 1: at a high rate of speed and we were trying 1752 01:32:05,560 --> 01:32:10,439 Speaker 1: to pass cars and catch up and we were called 1753 01:32:11,080 --> 01:32:17,080 Speaker 1: one and we were talking to at that point. We 1754 01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:23,120 Speaker 1: did not see at that point any officers anywhere, uh, 1755 01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:27,240 Speaker 1: and they were probably headed to the church at that point. 1756 01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:34,439 Speaker 1: But dispatch we started talking to They said where nine 1757 01:32:34,600 --> 01:32:39,519 Speaker 1: is he? And we gave a description when we caught 1758 01:32:39,640 --> 01:32:44,840 Speaker 1: view of him again and uh again, we were coming 1759 01:32:44,920 --> 01:32:50,280 Speaker 1: up on him pretty quickly. And when we've got up closer, 1760 01:32:50,920 --> 01:32:53,240 Speaker 1: he pulled over to the side like he was going 1761 01:32:53,280 --> 01:32:56,800 Speaker 1: to pull off to the side of the road, and 1762 01:32:56,880 --> 01:32:58,960 Speaker 1: he slowed down and I thought he was gonna stop, 1763 01:33:00,240 --> 01:33:03,519 Speaker 1: and I reached down to open the door, still with 1764 01:33:03,640 --> 01:33:08,479 Speaker 1: my rifle in hand, and he sped up. He hit 1765 01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:13,360 Speaker 1: a road sign, it flipped over the truck or his suv. 1766 01:33:14,120 --> 01:33:16,960 Speaker 1: He ran across back up on the road about another 1767 01:33:17,040 --> 01:33:20,720 Speaker 1: hundred yards down and down into the bar ditch and 1768 01:33:20,840 --> 01:33:24,200 Speaker 1: Johnny stopped the truck on the road and I told him, 1769 01:33:24,280 --> 01:33:28,080 Speaker 1: I said, get down, get down. He got down in 1770 01:33:28,160 --> 01:33:30,320 Speaker 1: the truck and I got I stepped out of the door, 1771 01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:32,760 Speaker 1: and I put my rifle across the hood of the 1772 01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:37,360 Speaker 1: truck and and was yelling get out of the truck, 1773 01:33:37,479 --> 01:33:39,840 Speaker 1: Get out of the truck, get out of the truck. 1774 01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:45,160 Speaker 1: And I never saw any movement or anything from from it, 1775 01:33:45,479 --> 01:33:49,280 Speaker 1: but I wasn't going to let him go anywhere. Um. 1776 01:33:53,520 --> 01:34:04,240 Speaker 1: And finally the police department got there, and yeah, they 1777 01:34:04,439 --> 01:34:08,080 Speaker 1: told him to come out with his hands out and 1778 01:34:08,200 --> 01:34:12,160 Speaker 1: no response. And at that point I had actually laid 1779 01:34:12,200 --> 01:34:14,680 Speaker 1: the rifle down and started back, and he said, not you. 1780 01:34:16,120 --> 01:34:19,000 Speaker 1: So I picked the rifle back up. Okay, that's fine 1781 01:34:19,040 --> 01:34:21,479 Speaker 1: if you mean you know. And so I hung out 1782 01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:25,839 Speaker 1: there and waited until I saw about six more police 1783 01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:29,240 Speaker 1: officers show up. And they didn't rather quickly after the 1784 01:34:29,320 --> 01:34:32,320 Speaker 1: first one, and I started to walk back and he said, no, 1785 01:34:32,520 --> 01:34:35,840 Speaker 1: stay there, stay there, stay there, and I stayed where 1786 01:34:35,880 --> 01:34:40,840 Speaker 1: I was, and they drove one of the squad cars up. Yeah. 1787 01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:43,759 Speaker 1: You know what's interesting to me is, if I remember correctly. 1788 01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:47,839 Speaker 1: Stephen Wilford, n RA instructor right, former n RA instructor. 1789 01:34:48,080 --> 01:34:50,400 Speaker 1: So it's interesting to hear him say, like during that 1790 01:34:50,560 --> 01:34:53,080 Speaker 1: first shooting encounter, he's like, I I hit him. I 1791 01:34:53,160 --> 01:34:57,080 Speaker 1: don't know where, you know, because people don't realize in 1792 01:34:57,240 --> 01:34:59,160 Speaker 1: that madness. You know, you know, you know if you 1793 01:34:59,280 --> 01:35:01,360 Speaker 1: hit him, but you you know, it's it's not so 1794 01:35:01,479 --> 01:35:03,040 Speaker 1: clear to you, just the way that you were talking. 1795 01:35:03,240 --> 01:35:05,960 Speaker 1: It never it never is even in training when you're 1796 01:35:06,160 --> 01:35:09,559 Speaker 1: on a range and you take a shot at a target, 1797 01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:13,559 Speaker 1: although your point of aim was center mass, you don't 1798 01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:16,559 Speaker 1: know where your impact was, you know. So what he's 1799 01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:19,439 Speaker 1: saying is totally legit. On top of that, you have 1800 01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:22,960 Speaker 1: to you have to understand why he's speaking. He's he's 1801 01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:27,200 Speaker 1: speaking in a responsible manner, you know he is. Like 1802 01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:30,720 Speaker 1: when they pulled over after the vehicle flipped over, what 1803 01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:33,800 Speaker 1: did he tell the driver to do? Get down? The 1804 01:35:33,920 --> 01:35:36,400 Speaker 1: driver didn't have a weapon. He totally get down behind 1805 01:35:36,439 --> 01:35:39,240 Speaker 1: the mass of the vehicle, basically to protect the driver. 1806 01:35:39,400 --> 01:35:40,920 Speaker 1: And then he got out. And what did he do. 1807 01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:43,759 Speaker 1: He stood behind the vehicle and put the weapon system 1808 01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:46,519 Speaker 1: over the end of the hood of the car, which 1809 01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:48,600 Speaker 1: where the engine block would be the mass of the 1810 01:35:48,640 --> 01:35:51,200 Speaker 1: car which would protect him. Like everything he did was 1811 01:35:51,640 --> 01:35:56,000 Speaker 1: responsible and logical as a shooter, as a responsible shooter. So, 1812 01:35:56,880 --> 01:35:59,599 Speaker 1: which is interesting from a guy who's you know, civilian, civilian, 1813 01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:04,000 Speaker 1: gun on civilian, but yet still trained, still a lot 1814 01:36:04,120 --> 01:36:07,320 Speaker 1: of knowledgeable enough to be an n R A instructor. Yeah, 1815 01:36:07,360 --> 01:36:09,920 Speaker 1: but there's a big difference between shooting and paper targets 1816 01:36:10,040 --> 01:36:12,960 Speaker 1: and what he did. It's a mindset. It's not just 1817 01:36:13,280 --> 01:36:17,400 Speaker 1: paper targets or people. It's not combat or it's a mindset. 1818 01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:20,040 Speaker 1: He was in that mindset and from what he was 1819 01:36:20,160 --> 01:36:23,120 Speaker 1: told when I think he said it was his daughter 1820 01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:26,200 Speaker 1: or someone of the nature told him that there were 1821 01:36:26,240 --> 01:36:28,920 Speaker 1: shots being fired within the church, and he ran out 1822 01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:33,599 Speaker 1: with his rifle barefooted. It's the mindset. You think he's 1823 01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:35,719 Speaker 1: gonna sit back and say, well, I don't have shoes, 1824 01:36:36,320 --> 01:36:38,200 Speaker 1: let me push shoes on before I go in and 1825 01:36:38,240 --> 01:36:43,200 Speaker 1: address his threat. No, he knew that the skill set 1826 01:36:43,280 --> 01:36:47,519 Speaker 1: that he had was necessary at that moment immediately, and 1827 01:36:47,640 --> 01:36:49,880 Speaker 1: he even said it when he said every shot that 1828 01:36:50,040 --> 01:36:54,400 Speaker 1: was fired potentially represented someone that was being killed. Someone 1829 01:36:54,520 --> 01:36:58,120 Speaker 1: he knew, someone that he valued was being killed because 1830 01:36:58,400 --> 01:37:01,320 Speaker 1: he was a neighbor of the church. Understand So this 1831 01:37:01,520 --> 01:37:03,960 Speaker 1: man everything that was running through this man's mind was 1832 01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:09,360 Speaker 1: that whole uh, that whole consolidation of fight or flight. 1833 01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:14,559 Speaker 1: So being that he was in delved or engulfed within 1834 01:37:14,800 --> 01:37:18,000 Speaker 1: that community, that within that gun culture, within that that 1835 01:37:18,160 --> 01:37:22,320 Speaker 1: that warrior mentality, he was able to prevent this man 1836 01:37:22,520 --> 01:37:26,679 Speaker 1: from continuing on in his carnage. He did a great 1837 01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:29,760 Speaker 1: This mount is a hero. It's great, great man. We 1838 01:37:30,320 --> 01:37:32,240 Speaker 1: he doesn't want to say it. He's a humble man, 1839 01:37:32,439 --> 01:37:35,040 Speaker 1: but you know what everyone was, everyone else will say it. 1840 01:37:35,040 --> 01:37:37,040 Speaker 1: I would say it all day long. This man was 1841 01:37:37,080 --> 01:37:39,880 Speaker 1: a hero. This man is a hero to this day. 1842 01:37:40,120 --> 01:37:42,120 Speaker 1: And although you know, he has a lot of things 1843 01:37:42,200 --> 01:37:44,680 Speaker 1: he has to overcome mentally and all that now and 1844 01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:47,320 Speaker 1: you know, we know that coming from where we come from, 1845 01:37:47,800 --> 01:37:51,520 Speaker 1: this man is going to be someone that an invaluable 1846 01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:54,519 Speaker 1: amount of information. He's gonna be a treasure trove of 1847 01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:59,280 Speaker 1: information when it comes to learning about the mentality of 1848 01:37:59,360 --> 01:38:02,519 Speaker 1: that fight, fight or flight mode of that that you know, 1849 01:38:03,200 --> 01:38:06,880 Speaker 1: sheep dog vice, you know sheep, you know, mentality Like 1850 01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:10,439 Speaker 1: this man right here, he's got a future. He's got 1851 01:38:10,479 --> 01:38:14,000 Speaker 1: a future definitely does so. Uh. I know, you know 1852 01:38:14,160 --> 01:38:16,439 Speaker 1: we're running out of time here, but you wanted to 1853 01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:20,519 Speaker 1: address the Bouberg Doll situation. Um you know, no jail time. 1854 01:38:20,600 --> 01:38:23,160 Speaker 1: There's articles covering it as software dot com. If you're 1855 01:38:23,160 --> 01:38:26,439 Speaker 1: not already a subscriber, please do subscribe because we're on 1856 01:38:26,560 --> 01:38:28,000 Speaker 1: top of it. But I'll let you have the floor 1857 01:38:28,120 --> 01:38:29,960 Speaker 1: on my whole thing is said. You know, I'm not 1858 01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:31,680 Speaker 1: gonna take up too much time. All I want to 1859 01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:35,320 Speaker 1: say is whoever was the officer in charge of the 1860 01:38:35,520 --> 01:38:41,160 Speaker 1: deciding uh the judge, Yeah, the judge who was in 1861 01:38:41,320 --> 01:38:45,960 Speaker 1: charge of the deciding verdict in in the censusing which 1862 01:38:46,240 --> 01:38:49,880 Speaker 1: allowed him to walk away damn near Scoffrey. You know, yeah, Okay, 1863 01:38:49,960 --> 01:38:53,599 Speaker 1: he doesn't have any VA benefits or you know, dishonor 1864 01:38:53,720 --> 01:38:55,599 Speaker 1: with discharge and all that. It's great, you know, all 1865 01:38:55,680 --> 01:38:58,040 Speaker 1: that stuff really does come at a price, believe it 1866 01:38:58,160 --> 01:39:00,960 Speaker 1: or not, especially when you're filling apple aations for jobs 1867 01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:02,840 Speaker 1: and all that. Like he's this man is gonna have 1868 01:39:02,920 --> 01:39:05,120 Speaker 1: a hard time. But you know what he didn't do. 1869 01:39:05,520 --> 01:39:08,559 Speaker 1: He didn't prevent this man from making money on his movie, 1870 01:39:08,640 --> 01:39:14,040 Speaker 1: on his story, which Hollywood, liberal Hollywood is always going 1871 01:39:14,080 --> 01:39:22,040 Speaker 1: to try to basically x um uh exposed, you know, 1872 01:39:22,240 --> 01:39:25,560 Speaker 1: or basically you know, just take any advantage of So 1873 01:39:25,720 --> 01:39:27,640 Speaker 1: what I want to say is, you know, he did 1874 01:39:27,680 --> 01:39:31,800 Speaker 1: an injustice to the rest of the military, as far 1875 01:39:31,920 --> 01:39:35,160 Speaker 1: as the Air Force, the Navy, the Army, the because 1876 01:39:35,200 --> 01:39:38,400 Speaker 1: any person even thinking of this is gonna use his 1877 01:39:38,600 --> 01:39:42,200 Speaker 1: case as case study and say, well, if this individual 1878 01:39:42,320 --> 01:39:44,960 Speaker 1: didn't get time sir, or it got time served and 1879 01:39:45,160 --> 01:39:48,519 Speaker 1: didn't you know, get anything further after the fact, then 1880 01:39:48,640 --> 01:39:51,080 Speaker 1: you know, why should I? And then so on so forth, 1881 01:39:51,120 --> 01:39:54,200 Speaker 1: you understand, So what's the point as far as you 1882 01:39:54,240 --> 01:39:58,400 Speaker 1: know desertion is concerned, Like you had to hit him hard, 1883 01:39:59,560 --> 01:40:02,800 Speaker 1: You had to set the presidents for every other individual 1884 01:40:02,920 --> 01:40:06,639 Speaker 1: within the armed services to let them know. Lives were lost, 1885 01:40:07,880 --> 01:40:10,920 Speaker 1: lives was Lives were lost in searching for you after 1886 01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:14,080 Speaker 1: you deserted, after you walked up the base, missions were 1887 01:40:14,200 --> 01:40:18,240 Speaker 1: held up, missions for how high value targets were held 1888 01:40:18,360 --> 01:40:24,040 Speaker 1: up actively seeking you. You know, so like there there 1889 01:40:24,200 --> 01:40:27,800 Speaker 1: there was some severe consequences to what you did. And 1890 01:40:28,080 --> 01:40:31,000 Speaker 1: the fact that they let him walk away without any 1891 01:40:31,080 --> 01:40:35,000 Speaker 1: jail time really sent a terrible message to all those 1892 01:40:35,080 --> 01:40:39,080 Speaker 1: in uniform. You know, I hope they understand that that's terrible. 1893 01:40:39,439 --> 01:40:41,439 Speaker 1: You know, why would you why would you want to 1894 01:40:42,160 --> 01:40:47,600 Speaker 1: be the cause of lives lost? And then not have 1895 01:40:47,760 --> 01:40:50,680 Speaker 1: any consequence there on after the fact. So you know 1896 01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:52,920 Speaker 1: that's my point of it. You know, my point is 1897 01:40:53,120 --> 01:40:56,360 Speaker 1: this guy should have got jail time, hands down, hands 1898 01:40:56,400 --> 01:41:01,240 Speaker 1: down should have got jail time. Well, absolute pleasure having 1899 01:41:01,320 --> 01:41:04,720 Speaker 1: just on the show. 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Which is a lot of people, 1937 01:43:04,680 --> 01:43:06,000 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, They're all over the place. 1938 01:43:06,280 --> 01:43:10,680 Speaker 1: But so Friday, uh, November ten, Jason is going to 1939 01:43:10,720 --> 01:43:14,439 Speaker 1: be celebrating the Marine Corps anniversary with a book signing 1940 01:43:14,520 --> 01:43:17,800 Speaker 1: it Not for Nothing tattoo, one Dymond Street. That's at 1941 01:43:17,920 --> 01:43:20,960 Speaker 1: six pm. Uh, anything you want to say about that, 1942 01:43:21,040 --> 01:43:23,400 Speaker 1: because I know people will be excited to meet you. 1943 01:43:23,640 --> 01:43:26,040 Speaker 1: I'm just looking forward to, um, those who wanted me 1944 01:43:26,080 --> 01:43:28,080 Speaker 1: to sign their books and some of those who just 1945 01:43:28,160 --> 01:43:29,880 Speaker 1: want to come by and meet me. And you know, 1946 01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:32,280 Speaker 1: we were also selling books there. You know, we only 1947 01:43:32,320 --> 01:43:34,360 Speaker 1: have a few copies on as will first come, first off, 1948 01:43:34,439 --> 01:43:37,040 Speaker 1: But you know, looking forward to just you know, whoever 1949 01:43:37,120 --> 01:43:39,600 Speaker 1: wants to come by meet and greet, and whoever is 1950 01:43:39,640 --> 01:43:42,640 Speaker 1: a fan of the show. And you live and subscribe 1951 01:43:42,680 --> 01:43:45,840 Speaker 1: in New York, were there, absolutely, And if you're in 1952 01:43:46,040 --> 01:43:48,559 Speaker 1: Connecticut or Jersey, take the trip out. Will be fun. 1953 01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:52,479 Speaker 1: And then if you can't do Friday Saturday, I will 1954 01:43:52,520 --> 01:43:54,960 Speaker 1: be at this as well. James Powell will be there too, 1955 01:43:55,439 --> 01:43:58,560 Speaker 1: Andrew will Cows Veteran Ride for Veterans Day. Yeah, and 1956 01:43:58,680 --> 01:44:01,240 Speaker 1: you Jason will be there at Emmit Old Loonis to 1957 01:44:01,439 --> 01:44:05,040 Speaker 1: ten West fifth I wrote West fifth West fifty Street. 1958 01:44:05,840 --> 01:44:08,120 Speaker 1: Uh so, and not to be confused with the other 1959 01:44:08,160 --> 01:44:10,519 Speaker 1: old loonis. It's amatold Loonies because your dad owns a 1960 01:44:10,560 --> 01:44:14,720 Speaker 1: bar to ten West fifty Street, one PM East. It 1961 01:44:14,920 --> 01:44:17,519 Speaker 1: is pretty much And Jason could agree with me. Here 1962 01:44:17,680 --> 01:44:20,439 Speaker 1: the flagship bar of software. I mean, you walk in there, 1963 01:44:20,800 --> 01:44:23,519 Speaker 1: your book is on the wall. Jack's book is on 1964 01:44:23,640 --> 01:44:26,280 Speaker 1: the wall. Brandon's books are on the wall. Marty scope 1965 01:44:26,280 --> 01:44:31,479 Speaker 1: when to call emital Loonys a bar is an extreme 1966 01:44:31,560 --> 01:44:37,840 Speaker 1: injustice because their food is so amazing. Did you see 1967 01:44:37,920 --> 01:44:40,800 Speaker 1: that a tried tip, a skillet plate that comes out 1968 01:44:40,880 --> 01:44:42,920 Speaker 1: when it's like sizzling. You remember back in the day 1969 01:44:42,960 --> 01:44:46,360 Speaker 1: when Applebee's just to bring out the plates sizzling with steaks. 1970 01:44:47,120 --> 01:44:49,559 Speaker 1: He is you know, no, they that's what I mean. 1971 01:44:49,640 --> 01:44:52,040 Speaker 1: But like Emmett does that with the tri tipt, but 1972 01:44:52,120 --> 01:44:55,479 Speaker 1: you were talking about like the craziest cut of beef. 1973 01:44:55,640 --> 01:45:02,960 Speaker 1: Like his staff is so disciplined, like he is the man. 1974 01:45:03,479 --> 01:45:06,439 Speaker 1: If you go here, you're gonna have the ultimate experience 1975 01:45:06,520 --> 01:45:09,280 Speaker 1: in service. I'd guarantee you that A lot of veterans 1976 01:45:09,360 --> 01:45:10,680 Speaker 1: and hang out with a lot of veterans like this 1977 01:45:10,720 --> 01:45:12,920 Speaker 1: guy is a patriot. This guy told Joe Biden that 1978 01:45:13,000 --> 01:45:16,120 Speaker 1: he screwed up the goddamn nation, you know what I mean, like, 1979 01:45:16,280 --> 01:45:18,799 Speaker 1: and you know what he you know it was true. Alright, 1980 01:45:18,920 --> 01:45:24,120 Speaker 1: let's be honest. Okay, but it is a goddamn great 1981 01:45:24,160 --> 01:45:26,960 Speaker 1: place to go eat. Oh yeah, great guy. Um. And 1982 01:45:27,200 --> 01:45:29,280 Speaker 1: and it's for a good cause. You know there's gonna 1983 01:45:29,280 --> 01:45:32,639 Speaker 1: be money donated to the charity you know where Brandon's charity, 1984 01:45:32,680 --> 01:45:35,320 Speaker 1: even though it's not his necessarily, I know that it's 1985 01:45:35,360 --> 01:45:38,479 Speaker 1: other guys involved, but the Red Circle Foundation. And then 1986 01:45:38,520 --> 01:45:41,720 Speaker 1: another great charity. I love Rick Ayannucci. I think you've 1987 01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:44,920 Speaker 1: met Rick right, So Horses for Heroes. Rick owns a 1988 01:45:45,080 --> 01:45:48,800 Speaker 1: ranch in Santa Fe, New Mexico, has veterans, um you know, 1989 01:45:48,880 --> 01:45:52,439 Speaker 1: with post traumatic stress issues ride horses like a therapeutic thing. 1990 01:45:52,720 --> 01:45:55,640 Speaker 1: Wilko has been to the ranch and um Rick has 1991 01:45:55,680 --> 01:45:58,320 Speaker 1: been like brother, anytime you want to come down, like 1992 01:45:58,439 --> 01:46:01,080 Speaker 1: you're welcome to come to Santa Fe, New Mexico. So 1993 01:46:01,720 --> 01:46:04,080 Speaker 1: you know I mentioned this on the podcast. Um for 1994 01:46:04,200 --> 01:46:07,599 Speaker 1: all the full time employees at Hurricane Uh, everybody gets 1995 01:46:07,640 --> 01:46:09,280 Speaker 1: to pick a charity of their choice that the company 1996 01:46:09,360 --> 01:46:11,720 Speaker 1: is gonna donate money too. I've already picked horses for 1997 01:46:11,840 --> 01:46:14,960 Speaker 1: Heroes Santa Fe, New Mexico. And the reason being not 1998 01:46:15,120 --> 01:46:17,400 Speaker 1: only is it a good cause, but like you hear 1999 01:46:17,439 --> 01:46:20,200 Speaker 1: about all these charities out there, you don't know who 2000 01:46:20,280 --> 01:46:22,080 Speaker 1: these people are running them. You don't know if it's 2001 01:46:22,120 --> 01:46:26,280 Speaker 1: the most reputable people. And Rick is like a solid guy. Uh, 2002 01:46:26,840 --> 01:46:29,720 Speaker 1: he's done so much too, but beyond just being in 2003 01:46:29,840 --> 01:46:34,400 Speaker 1: special Forces, also being in the police, you know, community 2004 01:46:34,800 --> 01:46:38,600 Speaker 1: law enforcement. Um, his he's a legend. He's he's like 2005 01:46:38,640 --> 01:46:40,479 Speaker 1: another Gym West and we have to get him on. 2006 01:46:40,960 --> 01:46:44,200 Speaker 1: And he's also like looks like whole Cogan of New Mexico. 2007 01:46:44,640 --> 01:46:48,200 Speaker 1: Well he's the short guy but with this giant handlebar 2008 01:46:48,320 --> 01:46:51,840 Speaker 1: mustache and you know, rocking the giant cowboy ads. So 2009 01:46:52,680 --> 01:46:54,960 Speaker 1: you know, I'm excited to see Rick and everybody else. 2010 01:46:55,040 --> 01:46:58,280 Speaker 1: So once again, that's uh this Saturday Veterans Day, will 2011 01:46:58,320 --> 01:47:01,720 Speaker 1: Cow's vet ride for Veterans um at Emmittal Lone's two 2012 01:47:01,800 --> 01:47:05,519 Speaker 1: ten West fifty Street. Uh. And I think that's it man. 2013 01:47:05,760 --> 01:47:08,559 Speaker 1: In just two episodes, we have episode three hundred all 2014 01:47:08,640 --> 01:47:13,000 Speaker 1: new imaging. Uh. 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