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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of My Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is no They call

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Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer

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Speaker 1: Alexis code named dot Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you.

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Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this the stuff they

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Speaker 1: don't want you to know. It's the top of the week.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of news, a lot of it's strange. Uh.

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Speaker 1: We're recording this about a uh a few days before

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Speaker 1: this comes out to you, fellow conspiracy realists, and I

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Speaker 1: hope that I am not the only one among us

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Speaker 1: who spent a heroine afternoon waiting for Vladimir Putin to

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Speaker 1: show up on time to his own speech, which he didn't,

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Speaker 1: but the speech was the speech was dangerous. You have

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Speaker 1: heard a lot about it. At this point, things are escalating,

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Speaker 1: But that although it is strange news, it's not exactly

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Speaker 1: what we mean when we say strange news. We're talking

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Speaker 1: about things that should be explored in further depth. We're

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Speaker 1: often talking about things that either don't make it above

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Speaker 1: don't have enough time to pay attention to a lot

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Speaker 1: of it. Let us not forget that mid pandemic, the

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Speaker 1: US government came out and said UFOs are real, and

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Speaker 1: literally everyone said, I mean sure, Should I get vaccinated?

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Speaker 1: Is my main concern? Uh, Today we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: about We're gonna talk about the inequality burgeoning in the

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Speaker 1: world of n f T s and the so called metaverse,

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Speaker 1: so opposit Uh, We're going to talk about We're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about the Pentagon doing something really funny with psy

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Speaker 1: ops that have done you know, I don't like psy ops,

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Speaker 1: but they've done a lot for our show in terms

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Speaker 1: of in terms of things to explore. But maybe maybe Matt,

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Speaker 1: we start with, uh, we start with a story that

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Speaker 1: didn't get a ton of national coverage, much less international coverage.

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Speaker 1: It's a true crime story and hopefully it's a story

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Speaker 1: with a little bit of closure for the survivors. What

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Speaker 1: do you think, Oh, yeah, survivors say it's it's more

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Speaker 1: like the DEFRA did I think really? But it is

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Speaker 1: a It is one man pulling a psychological operation on

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Speaker 1: a whole bunch of people, around three and fifty clients

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Speaker 1: of his of the company that he ran and owned.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about this. There's a man we're gonna

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Speaker 1: name because he just got indicted, a man named Seawan

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Speaker 1: He he's forty two year old man from Topeka, Kansas

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Speaker 1: and he, uh, he did some messed up things. He

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Speaker 1: l C. National Autopsy Services. It's kind of a weird name,

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Speaker 1: don't you think, guys. It sounds like a generic autopsy

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Speaker 1: you know, that's that's one of the clever things. It's

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Speaker 1: just like how you can put all natural, unsereal boxes

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Speaker 1: of the ingredients. You see this in privatized insurance companies.

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Speaker 1: Put national in front of something you'll be associated with

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Speaker 1: Desecration is in and of itself, just sounds pretty bad news.

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Speaker 1: So Patty wanted answers, and she she just stumbled upon

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Speaker 1: we didn't even get to that yet. Ben. This let's

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Speaker 1: So again it's a little convoluted. Point being is that

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Speaker 1: the price of this token started to plummet because Mojing

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00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 1: came out and said, yeah, we're not going to support this.

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Speaker 1: We do not feel as though um n f T

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00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 1: integration into Minecraft is something that we would like to allow.

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00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 1: So the value of this token, which already took a

431
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: pretty big hit, uh, was cut in half. Um Also,

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00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 1: by the way, another thing that cut the price of

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00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 1: the token is that that you know, this guy was

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00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: paying these these these kids in the Philippines with this token,

435
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 1: and again by his very own justification presumably you know,

436
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: to help help with expenses and to like feed their

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00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: families and stuff. And this guy goes onto really, oh gosh,

438
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 1: he's such a martyr and such a virtuous fellow, and

439
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 1: so what are they gonna do. They're gonna sell it.

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00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 1: And that's the thing. That's what happens when you have

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00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 1: like any kind of project, whether it's like a you know,

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00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: a crypto project of some kind. If people who own

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00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: a bunch of the tokens sell it. That's called a

444
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 1: rug pool, and then all of a sudden, the you know,

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00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: the value goes down. The value goes down significantly. And

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00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,199
Speaker 1: again there would be plenty of other people with these tokens.

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00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: But if enough, if this guy is hiring enough of

448
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: these kids and they all sell them every time, then

449
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: that's going to affect the price. So now he's looking

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00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: for other ways of going about this UM based around

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00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 1: this same model, the same idea of crowdsourcing, uh, he says,

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00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 1: um using another kind of blockchain gaming you know model. Potentially,

453
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 1: what if we figured out how to take advantage of

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00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: this cheap labor and developing countries and actually use people

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00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: in the Philippines for example, as NPCs um real life

456
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: pecs in your game. So you would know that if

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00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 1: someone was just dicking around in the background, you know,

458
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: doing some task, some wrote whatever set of actions, that's

459
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 1: actually some person. Remember Ben the paying the yard gnomes

460
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 1: and weird historical flexes on ridiculous history, Yes, guarding your

461
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: hermits they were called Yeah, that's it. Yeah, you would

462
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 1: pay somebody uh to hang out in your yard for

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00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 1: your own amusement. And this is essentially just like a

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00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 1: digital version of that. Uh he says they would quote

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00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: just populate the world maybe, or do a random job,

466
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: or just walk back and forth fishing, telling stories a shopkeeper.

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00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: Anything is really possible. This is some black mirror again,

468
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: like when we started doing this with like prisoners or something.

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00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just bizarre the idea. This is like

470
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: some squid game type stuff, like what do we just

471
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: like take people that are less fortunate and for a pittance,

472
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: you know, let them dance around for our for our amusement. Question.

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00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: Is McKai Kosar the same person as Big Chief? I

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00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: don't think so, now, okay, kaik Star is the consult

475
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,479
Speaker 1: is a consultant that was talked to in this situation, right,

476
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: that's right, and yeah, I'm sorry, thank you. They are

477
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: different people. The story started with Big Chief and his

478
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: you know kind of exploitation of folks in the Philippines

479
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: and then yes, McKay co star, thank you. Ben is

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00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: this other gentleman with very similar uh similar designs on

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00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: the Philippines or other developing countries that have access to

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00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: it to gaming, but maybe not like you know, running

483
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: water all the time or like food stability. Yeah, he

484
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: has ah Cosar is an accountant and a member of

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00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: an outfit called Wolves Dow Wolves d a O. And

486
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: he uh, he is as you said, ten toes down

487
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: on this uh and he also is specifically looking at

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00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: the Philippines. But this, this brings up I appreciate the

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00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: mentioned the anthology series Black Mirror, because this brings up

490
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: the new realm of inequality. You know, imagine if you

491
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: are able, if you're growing up, and say, and you're

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00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: able to play your favorite online game, right, but the

493
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: only way you can play it for free is to

494
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: essentially walk through and do task in the premium version

495
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: of premium iteration of this game that is enjoyed and

496
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:45,239
Speaker 1: owned by a much more privileged player. I don't know,

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00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: you know, it becomes a rain inhell, serve in Heaven

498
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: sort of situation in an incredibly unfair way. But if

499
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: it is a way for people to have access, then

500
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: a lot of people are gonna say yes to it.

501
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: With the ethical quandaries and deep profound problems of it

502
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: cast aside and bracketed away, because we can already see

503
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: Big Chief and co. S are very much rationalizing somewhat

504
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: similar arguably to them. The perspective of Thomas Friedman in

505
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: the world is flat, And that's that's a guy who

506
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: is arguing in his book that ultimately the global interconnectivity

507
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: of communication and trade will be better for everyone. It's

508
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: very very very smart man, very persuasive writer, just happens

509
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: to be woefully incorrect because, in my opinion, why should

510
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: you be able to drive a McLaren in a virtual

511
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: world if you can't afford to drive one in this world? Huh,

512
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: come on, then it's not special anymore. You're you're joking.

513
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: But that's sort of what and f t s are, right,

514
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: that's sort of the concept of them is that you

515
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: don't get to have this thing if you can't actually

516
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: afford it. You know, you don't get to you know,

517
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: way of this sign of opulence around in the in

518
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: the you know, virtual world unless you actually paid for

519
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: and we can damn well you know, verify that on

520
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: the blockchain. Um, it's a bastardization of what online life

521
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: and and and and escapism actually is. In a lot

522
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: of ways, why do we turn to video games. It's

523
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: because we can't actually be wizards and sword fighters and

524
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: and you know, race car drivers. But to that end,

525
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: why why do people turn to books, you know, why

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00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: do people turn to oral traditions and stories that a

527
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: theater through which one can encounter similar catharsis right? This

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00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: uh the I hate to say it. I don't want

529
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: to sound too cynical, but it feels like a natural

530
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: iteration of an existing trend. To be quite honest, the

531
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: ideas of accelerating hierarchy and uh and inequality a scary

532
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: truth of the world, and I really wish this didn't

533
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: feel so true. Scary truth of the world seems to

534
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: be that human beings defining happiness in relative external terms,

535
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: don't find it satisfactory to be internally satisfied, to be

536
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: happy with one's own life. It is more important to

537
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: know that there are people who are less than and

538
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: that is terrifying and it's one of the things that

539
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: holds humanity back. So I like with with this story

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00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: with Cosar and Big Chief. I don't when I get

541
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: that wrong Big Chief. Uh. The the issue seems that

542
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: it's it's the same story in in another reboot, you know,

543
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: And I'm sure then you get to play every character

544
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: that you're reading. Does that make sense? Like you kind

545
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 1: of in a way get to play every character and

546
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 1: you have to just or a library card, which I

547
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: think is why people who are against knowledge are so

548
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: mad that libraries still exist in the United States. You

549
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: can go to one today. It's sadly not going to

550
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:36,439
Speaker 1: be crowded. But but but I interrupted your point, Matt, Uh, Well, yeah,

551
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about how video games do present this

552
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: very specific experience, and they do seem to be the

553
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: thing that's sticking around, like as an industry, the thing

554
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: the entertainment industry that continues to make money, uh pretty reliably,

555
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: even as like big budget films are only functioning, as

556
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: we've talked about on previous episodes because of their becoming global, right,

557
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 1: but video games have been largely global for a long time. Um,

558
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: I just I think there's a I think we're thinking

559
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: about it as a black mirror, as a future thing,

560
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: as something that's coming. It does really feel like it's

561
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 1: going to have to become this separated out because not

562
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 1: everybody was going to be able to afford the levels

563
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: with all the game the micro transactions that exist everywhere

564
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: in every game all the time. Now or at least

565
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: it's increasingly so that way. Um, there's just gonna be

566
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: these tears of experience. By the way, I completely agree,

567
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: and I think to your point, Ben, this is, you know,

568
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,760
Speaker 1: an escalation of something that we're already seeing and with

569
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: with things like an f d S and with things

570
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,280
Speaker 1: like cryptocurrency and all of that stuff, and it's probably

571
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: gonna get worse before it gets better. But um, just

572
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: really quickly this is separate topic. But did you guys

573
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:03,720
Speaker 1: see the insane grand theft auto leaks that took place

574
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: in terms of just like another like you know metaversus

575
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: kind of you know that that's the game that's like

576
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,720
Speaker 1: it's online version has stayed pretty relevant up until recently.

577
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: I mean it appears to be like unprecedented in terms of,

578
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: you know, the level of invasion that they experienced, what happened,

579
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: just like hundreds of videos of of of develop underdeveloped

580
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: you know um in game footage with like dbug code

581
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: on the screen and just like you know, major plot spoilers,

582
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: you know, with like really under um incomplete you know

583
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: gameplay footage, and it's just an absolute catastrophe. It's just

584
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: fascinating the way that you know, one one hacker without

585
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: even hacking apparently it was an act access more just

586
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: through like fishing kind of expeditions using like WhatsApp to

587
00:36:54,840 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: message employees rather than some sort of you know, actual Anyway,

588
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: I just wanted to ask if you guys I've heard

589
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: about it. It's it's interesting stuff, um, especially for a

590
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: company like that where they have such a reputation of

591
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: like a really really bad crunch time um treatment of

592
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: their employees. Uh, and they have been trying to kind

593
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: of get away from that image. And this apparently the

594
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: game's taken so long to come out because they say

595
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: they're trying to avoid crunch time. And now all this

596
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: does make the kind of spoil everything that the employees

597
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: have been working their butts off on. So I just

598
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: don't see what the point is, Like, why what what

599
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: these uh hackers are after? But irrelevant, unconnected to this story.

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00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: I think that we've we've we've bandied this one about

601
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: long enough. Let's take a little break and then we're

602
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: back with a third piece of strange news. Welcome back,

603
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: fellow conspiracy realist. Yes we have one more piece of

604
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: strange news. Now, this is one that you may have

605
00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: heard of if you are in the game, and in

606
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: a number of games, but this story has the distinction

607
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: of being one that caused some of my sources to

608
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: proactively reach out to me saying that heads will roll.

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00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: We've talked about propaganda in the past. It is a

610
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: very real thing. It is quite effective, uh, And it's

611
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: one of those things that is so audience specific at

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00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: times that it's almost like, um, it's almost like regional food.

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00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: You know, like if you grew up in an environment

614
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: where there was no such thing as cheese, you would

615
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: think cheese is gross, and you know, you would have

616
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: a point. It's it's a weird process. It's a weird thing.

617
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: It's just so tasty if you're familiar with it, and

618
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:52,720
Speaker 1: likewise with any other number of regional food stuff. So propaganda,

619
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: by that comparison can seem completely believable, rational, and fact

620
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: supported if you are the intended audience, right, if we

621
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: can just say, oh, you're already, you're already sorted down

622
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: with this. Let me let me get you a little

623
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: more down. Pretty soon you're ten toes down. And that's

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00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: how the manipulation works. A lot of times in the West,

625
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: this is portrayed as something that is beneath the good guys, right,

626
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: it's beneath the Allied forces. A k the West and

627
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:34,280
Speaker 1: five eyes and all that slow jazz, but not really totally,

628
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: not really right, UH. A lot of the same tactics

629
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: that have been used by the Russian government or by

630
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: the Chinese government information control UH, and used by cults

631
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,240
Speaker 1: on lower levels. Uncle Sam has done the same things.

632
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: And recently there was a Washington Post article by Ellen

633
00:39:55,800 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: Nakashima that I want us to pay some particular attention to. Today,

634
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: the Pentagon has opened up what it is calling a

635
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:12,439
Speaker 1: sweeping review of clandestine psy ops psychological operations, and this

636
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: is due to a request from multiple other federal agencies

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00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: as well as the White House. UH. And these agencies

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Speaker 1: are complaining about the US military's influence operations. I like

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Speaker 1: that phrase, influence operations using Facebook and Twitter in particular.

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Speaker 1: Now we know that Twitter is riddled with bots. We

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Speaker 1: know that Facebook turns a blind eye to active disinformation

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Speaker 1: campaigns and propaganda. In both cases, it's because they're you know,

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Speaker 1: they're motivated by profit. They're not really you know, they're

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Speaker 1: not really chasing some larger philosophical idea past two three

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Speaker 1: or Q four. So the Pentagon said, all right, we

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Speaker 1: need to we need to get ahold of our online

647
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Speaker 1: fake accounts, and we need to clean the skeletons from

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Speaker 1: the closet of our clandestine information warfare. That's right. The

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Speaker 1: Pentagond has been doing psy ops for for quite a

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Speaker 1: long time. Last month to uh to Internet research outfits

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Speaker 1: Graphica and the Stanford Internet Observatory. You like that Observatory

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Speaker 1: for the Internet. I think it's clever. Yeah. They they

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Speaker 1: disclosed that there were more than one and fifty bogus

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Speaker 1: personas and media sites that were active. Now, these researchers

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Speaker 1: did not this is important. They did not explicitly attribute

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Speaker 1: these face accounts to the US military. But uh, but

657
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Speaker 1: it's pretty obvious, you know what I mean. Like, it's

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Speaker 1: it's pretty obvious. Right. It's like if you saw Frankenstein's

659
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Speaker 1: monster loitering around the body of Victor Frankenstein and had

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Speaker 1: blood on one of his you know, reanimated hands, and

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Speaker 1: he was standing next to some you know, bloody graffiti

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Speaker 1: that said the creator has been uncreated. You know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. You don't have proof yet, but you like,

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Speaker 1: it's walked up on this. It's just like it's like

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Speaker 1: the sketch and I think you should leave where he's

666
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Speaker 1: like the hot dog costume, yeah and yeah, and he's like,

667
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Speaker 1: we gotta find out who did this is it's a

668
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Speaker 1: hot dog mobile and that's crashed into this. Everyone's like

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Speaker 1: terrified and he comes sauntering up. We have to find

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Speaker 1: out who did this. The master stroke there is one

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Speaker 1: of the guys, unfortunately, is wearing a a suit that

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Speaker 1: has hot dog colors, like a suit and tie. That's

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Speaker 1: one of the that's one of the writers. And I

674
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: think you should leave down. They do great work. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Do check out that show if you have time, And

676
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: if you work for cent Com US Central Command, you

677
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: may well not have time because people are about to

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Speaker 1: start going through your stuff. Uh. These this thing appears

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Speaker 1: to have been triggered by an investigation running for several

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Speaker 1: years or diving into propagandistic bought and fake accounts and

681
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Speaker 1: AstroTurf whatever you wanna call it, for quite a while.

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Speaker 1: And people went on record responding to this. Well, people

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Speaker 1: in the US government, the spokespeople for Facebook and Twitter, Uh,

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Speaker 1: their lips are sealed. Mom's the word. Uh. The Air

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Speaker 1: Force Brigadier General Patrick Ryder, who was the current Pentagon

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Speaker 1: Press Secretary, said that these again information operations quote, support

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Speaker 1: our national security priorities and that they're totally going to

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Speaker 1: enforce these safeguards. It's not the Ekadas. We we were

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Speaker 1: totally we were totally gonna do this. Um And I

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Speaker 1: think this opens up the question. You know, we mentioned

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Speaker 1: it on GOSH. I was talking with Jordan Harbinger. We're

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Speaker 1: talking with the good folks at Macro dosing uh, the

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Speaker 1: way that the propaganda game has changed in the United States.

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Speaker 1: If you're listening and you are in the US, then yeah,

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Speaker 1: of course, obviously you're being targeted for propaganda. Right every

696
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Speaker 1: time a YouTube bad plays with a political message, that's

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Speaker 1: propaganda towards you. Every time, you know what, every time

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Speaker 1: an advertisement for fast food franchise comes on, that's arguably propaganda.

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Speaker 1: But for a long time, the idea was that the

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Speaker 1: United States was above using state level militaristic propaganda on

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Speaker 1: its own people domestically. That would turn out not to

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Speaker 1: be the case. Also, just for the record, coin telpro

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Speaker 1: never ended. I'm just gonna put that out there. Just

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Speaker 1: have fun with that one. If you are listening. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's perfect, man. It sounds familiar to the

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Speaker 1: Russia spending three million dollars thing right. Well, on influencing

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Speaker 1: elections and politics in other countries. It feels like like

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Speaker 1: like a donut whole version of that crueler or whatever.

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Speaker 1: What am I saying? I don't know, No, you nailed it,

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00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: and I love a good pastry reference man, thank you

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Speaker 1: and this. So there are things like um our International listeners.

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Speaker 1: You're doubtless be familiar with this. Uh. There are things

713
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: like the Voice of America Right, which is stationed abroad

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Speaker 1: and is pro US. Right enforces geopolitical or tries to

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Speaker 1: popularize geopolitical goals of the US and its owner corporations. Uh.

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Speaker 1: There are places like Radio Free Europe, which does the

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00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: same thing. And just to give us a sense of

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Speaker 1: the kind of things they're saying, right, it's not as

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Speaker 1: simple as um North Korean propaganda like DPRK propaganda. If

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Speaker 1: you go to the news site is pretty orwellian, it's

721
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: pretty easy to see what the spin is and you

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Speaker 1: also know the providence, right, you know the source. But

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Speaker 1: for example, and this again is due to the great

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Speaker 1: work by the journalists at the Washington Post, you'll see

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Speaker 1: examples of a fake account right purporting to be something

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Speaker 1: it is not, posting tweets saying stuff like relatives of

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Speaker 1: off GHOne refugees who have died are reporting that their

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Speaker 1: bodies are returning from Iran with their organs stolen. And

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00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: this this tweet links to an article. Right, Especially if

730
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Speaker 1: you're fake, you always want to say, oh, here, right,

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Speaker 1: and here's my research. The this tweet goes to an

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Speaker 1: article that is based on a website that is low

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Speaker 1: key totally and Uncle Sam's site. And then we get

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Speaker 1: to the business of contractors. Just like you were saying, Matt,

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Speaker 1: it's brilliant, right, China does it, Russia does it? The

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Speaker 1: uh the fifty cent army, right, or or a bunch

737
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Speaker 1: of like concerned Russian hackers. Guys, we can't control them.

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Speaker 1: Their opinions are are their own. They just happened to

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Speaker 1: be our unions because we are super correct. And so

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Speaker 1: that's that's what's happening. Uh US outfits aren't commenting on

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Speaker 1: who created these accounts. Is it direct like, is it

742
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Speaker 1: someone in a skiff out in sentcom or is it

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Speaker 1: a contractor? It is just working on their free time, right,

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00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: So this is uh, this is dangerous territory and it's

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00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: muddy water. And I just felt like as important as

746
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Speaker 1: it was for us to point out the proof that

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Speaker 1: Russia is messing under the hood of dozens, dozens of governments.

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Speaker 1: It's also key to note that the United States is

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Speaker 1: doing the same. Now, knowing all that, knowing that the

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Speaker 1: Pentagon has said we're gonna look into this, they're essentially saying,

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Speaker 1: we're going to conduct our search of ourselves ourselves. I

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00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 1: have to ask you, guys, you, Matt, Unial, you doc,

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Speaker 1: everybody listening. Is this going to be a good faith search? Oh? Yeah,

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00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: hands down, is gonna go by smooth. We're gonna get

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Speaker 1: a special what's the thing that's happening right now? Special master?

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Speaker 1: A special Master? That feels like that feels like a

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Speaker 1: sequel to beast Master, doesn't it be Master to special Masters? Yeah? No,

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Speaker 1: I I don't know. It doesn't feel good. I think

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00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: we should have the Russian counterparts investigate this thing on

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00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 1: our side, and then we'll investigate the Russian side and

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00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: we'll just both do Uh. It'll be a way to

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Speaker 1: bring each other together. We'll investigate each other simultaneously on

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00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 1: a double date, that mutual investigation, you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I've been on a couple of those. Glad you're on

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00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: the same No, no, no, your mind readers. So um again,

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Speaker 1: There's something else we mentioned in a previous Strange News segment,

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Speaker 1: which is the where was an episode? I can't remember

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Speaker 1: there was a there's this specific nomenclature used when someone

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Speaker 1: in the intelligence or military or otherwise governmental apparatus has

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Speaker 1: the green light to speak, but not to go on record.

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Speaker 1: It's like we pointed this language out a defense official

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Speaker 1: close to the matter, or a source close to the

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Speaker 1: Pentagon or who could not be named but definitely knows

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Speaker 1: what they're talking about. That kind of stuff that happens

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Speaker 1: in this article, that happens in this research. There's been

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Speaker 1: a lot of fallout from this already. One senior defense

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Speaker 1: official I want to quote raises a point that I

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Speaker 1: think we should we should all chew over just a

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Speaker 1: little bit. And the quote is this, our adversaries are

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Speaker 1: absolutely operated the information domain. There's some think we shouldn't

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Speaker 1: do anything clandestine in that space. Saving an entire domain

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Speaker 1: to an adversary would be unwise, but we need stronger

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Speaker 1: policy guard rails. So he said, everybody else is doing it,

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Speaker 1: why can't we? What's gonna happen if you don't, right,

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Speaker 1: It's dangerous if we don't. And also we need more money,

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00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: and also we should turn that into a sallenge here

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Speaker 1: at some point, and also we need more money. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The NSC National Security Council part of the White House,

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Speaker 1: they're not commenting on it. But also here's what they're

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Speaker 1: looking for in this sweeping inventory. They want to know

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Speaker 1: what types of operations have been carried out, because that's

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Speaker 1: not official knowledge, right, it'll ruin the bit. Uh. They

793
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:03,919
Speaker 1: also want to know who is being targeted. That's where

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00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 1: it gets spooky. They also want to know what tools

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Speaker 1: are being used and why those tools were chosen, and

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00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 1: then of course how effective they've been. The idea is

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Speaker 1: that one would have to justify. I don't even know

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Speaker 1: if they're technically illegal now they're certainly unethical. But the

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Speaker 1: idea is like these are shenanigans. These are shenanigans that

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Speaker 1: the US publicly claimed it was above committing right for

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Speaker 1: years and that's not the case. You know, Ben, you

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Speaker 1: and I talked about this, you know, in the in

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Speaker 1: the civilian world the other night. If you playing dirty,

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Speaker 1: if your opponents are playing dirty, or your your adversaries

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00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: are playing dirty, i e. You know, doing these kinds

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Speaker 1: of activities, these kinds of actions to influence policy and

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Speaker 1: the elections and any number of things. Isn't it kind

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Speaker 1: of are Aren't you sort of required to get down

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Speaker 1: there in the mud with them, even if you say

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Speaker 1: you're not openly mean. There's really no way to fight

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00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,399
Speaker 1: fire with anything but fire. I guess you can fight

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00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 1: with water. Actually that's a stupid analogy. But my point is,

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Speaker 1: you know, if if you've got people that are using

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Speaker 1: these tactics against you, and your quote unquote above using

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Speaker 1: it against them, even if you're end goals are virtuous. Again,

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Speaker 1: I don't necessarily even believe that's the case. Don't you

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Speaker 1: kind of have to do that? Don't you kind of

818
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 1: have to write? The best way to catch a monster

819
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: is to learn its habits, And it's some threshold that

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00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: gets very close to becoming something like the monster you're

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00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 1: trying to catch, you're trying to combat. Yeah, and you know,

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Speaker 1: to play real politic for a second, I'm at odds here.

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Speaker 1: Manipulating people without their knowledge or consent is it's a dirty,

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Speaker 1: dirty game. It's a huge game, but easy to necessary game.

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Speaker 1: Does the US apparatus have to be in this space?

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Speaker 1: You know. Um. Check out our episodes on military propaganda

827
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: in sports games and in your favorite blockbuster films for more.

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Speaker 1: For now, we're going to call it a day. Will

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Speaker 1: be back tomorrow with a classic episode, I think, but

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Speaker 1: stay tuned because there are several surprises on the way.

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Speaker 1: In the meantime, we can't wait to hear your thoughts,

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00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: especially if you are close with these stories. Do you

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Speaker 1: live in the Philippines, you're active in the n f

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Speaker 1: T space. Uh? Do you have experience with unethical autopsy

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Speaker 1: or funeral services? Uh? If so, uh, do check out

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Speaker 1: our episode on the funeral industry right. And if you

837
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 1: happen to be uh, if you happen to be involved

838
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 1: in psy ops knowingly, if you're in the driver's seat

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00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: at some point and you feel comfortable sharing your story,

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Speaker 1: we will, of course do our best to keep you anonymous.

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Speaker 1: Everybody in the puzzle Palace just laughed at that, But

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Speaker 1: here's the takeaway. We try to be easy to find online.

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Speaker 1: See you get how like how it's weird to say

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Speaker 1: that right after the right after the n s A

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Speaker 1: stuff whatever, M easy and eth Indeed, you can find

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Speaker 1: us on Twitter and YouTube and Facebook under the handle

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Speaker 1: conspiracy stuff on Instagram or conspiracy stuff show. Guess what.

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Speaker 1: Our book and audio book are going to be available

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Speaker 1: real book. It happened. I haven't seen mine yet. Mine

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Speaker 1: it happened. It happened. It was a surprise to us,

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Speaker 1: When you get a copy, um personally like physical copies

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