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Speaker 3: Marshall, we received this case and the day it was refused.

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Speaker 4: Well, and that's where things get weird and you know

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Speaker 5: Because that's who they was.

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Speaker 6: It was two managers, two guys managing us.

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Speaker 5: At one time.

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Speaker 6: It was a street guy. I don't know if I

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Speaker 7: I mean he was in the streets before man he

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Speaker 3: Dude named j Bird.

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Speaker 7: Bird just locked up Sill was supposed to be taking

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you season even if I did want

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Speaker 8: If I even wanted to play there, and you're scaring me,

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Speaker 1: Of what you're.

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Speaker 9: Looking for is the aftermath of the grand jury deciding

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Speaker 10: A nine year old Darren Seals was murdered before his

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Speaker 1: They discovered Seal's body inside with a gunshop.

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Speaker 11: You want a gun on me?

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Speaker 12: Am I am I footing your other brothers farguson PD,

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Speaker 3: Off the car.

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Speaker 11: He says, you might want to you might want to

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Speaker 13: This is after the Uprising season two, the murder of

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Speaker 7: Yeah, hey, gave you hear him?

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Speaker 2: He said, who ahead to look gay?

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Speaker 14: Bad? Then you?

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Speaker 11: He said, what do you do you have on a

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Speaker 13: Hey, gay, did you have on a a great one?

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Speaker 11: D It ain't no limit to.

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Speaker 3: What they had do for the fame.

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Speaker 1: We think we know what happened to Darren Seals. Not

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Speaker 1: how we got there is a bit roundabout and this

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Speaker 1: this is the one. The audio you heard at the

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Speaker 1: One is a music producer named Chop Squad DJ who

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Speaker 2: If it is Yo.

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Speaker 5: Jesus right.

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Speaker 1: We'd heard so many stories about Jaybird from different people

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Speaker 14: Case, authorities deliver a major blow to a Saint Louis

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Speaker 1: The story of the Adrian Lemon's cocaine ring in Saint

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Speaker 1: a man named Anthony Tit Jordan was indicted for having

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Speaker 9: Federal prosecutors in Saint Louis are seeking the death penalty

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Speaker 9: Prosecutors say Jordan was involved in a cocaine dealing conspiracy

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Speaker 13: We spoke with the public affairs officer at the US

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Speaker 2: Jordan Engan Lincollect thirteen to heard he is allegedly the

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Speaker 13: As the case against TT is still awaiting trial, Robert

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Speaker 15: Do you happen to know since that indictment of TT

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Speaker 13: Another Looking at the press release announcing the crimes TT

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Speaker 13: How does any of this connect to Darren? As it

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Speaker 13: turns out, Darren was friends with Anthony TT Jordan. In fact,

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Speaker 13: He captioned that post it ain't about what you know,

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Speaker 13: It's about what you can prove hashtag free big T.

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Speaker 13: It's hard not to see the contradiction here. Darren, a

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Speaker 5: It's a possibility that might have been what led to

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Speaker 5: Darren's death is cooperation with the government.

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Speaker 13: Amir isn't saying that he knows for a fact that

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Speaker 13: despite the sensitivity around this issue, there are reasons to

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Speaker 13: Saint Louis had calmed, but it was in the midst

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Speaker 13: Many people who spoke about this with us refused to

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Speaker 10: They get something on somebody and they find a way

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Speaker 5: I hope not, but.

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Speaker 6: Maybe the possibility is like even with the situation, No,

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Speaker 11: This is main event.

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Speaker 13: Again, he's the rapper you heard in the previous episode

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Speaker 10: And I don't want to offend you, but there have

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Speaker 10: been rumors with some folks that we talked to that

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Speaker 3: Did you ever hear that?

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Speaker 6: Wow, No, I actually did hear that.

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Speaker 5: Actually, I've never heard that.

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Speaker 6: See even with see now now that you say that,

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Speaker 6: we don't know, I never heard that, And maybe it's

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Speaker 11: I think it's gonna be the same answer.

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Speaker 7: But the you know.

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Speaker 10: Again, Look, the rumor mill is crazy around. As I've

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Speaker 11: But there was at least.

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Speaker 10: One or two folks who implied the same about and

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Speaker 10: again I don't mean to offend, but about Kilo.

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Speaker 11: Did you ever hear that he might have gotten flipped

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Speaker 3: Wow?

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Speaker 13: I didn't.

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Speaker 17: I haven't heard of it.

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Speaker 5: I haven't heard of it.

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Speaker 11: What I think?

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Speaker 3: And I wasn't near to confirm none of this ship.

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Speaker 13: It like that.

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Speaker 7: I ain't gonna give nobody a jacket that I can't

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Speaker 11: But what I am saying is he used.

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Speaker 7: To talk to the fucking trolls as if he was

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Speaker 7: They found a willing listener in Darren Phills. That's already

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Speaker 1: Possibly back when Bonnie was alive and she would call

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Speaker 2: Now there's a story where he gets taken in for questioning,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we pum down there.

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Speaker 4: They took him down there for questioning. And for me,

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Speaker 4: He was with his little girlfriend, were set good to

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Speaker 4: He took his beds up and he showed and he said, ma'am,

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Speaker 1: Bonnie explains that the police told her the reason for

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Speaker 4: How far are you serious?

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Speaker 4: This is about more than a fine. I said, this

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Speaker 1: After Bonnie's death, when he felt that he was at

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Speaker 13: Now back to the show. Mossey's files contained a lot

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Speaker 16: A woman carjacked in broad daylight in downtown Saint Louis,

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Speaker 13: You already know that Lopez Watson Simms AKALP spent five

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Speaker 17: You know that boy all right?

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Speaker 12: Where he shot it?

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Speaker 17: So everybody got the praying and said that boy is

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Speaker 13: This was the major shooting where Kilo was shot twenty

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Speaker 3: Anybody that just move off, impose the case a trolley

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Speaker 13: There was another shooting of Kilo, the one that happened

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Speaker 13: to the show, we found in Mosey's box a lot

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Speaker 13: about Darren that we didn't previously know. We'd been aware

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Speaker 13: that in his younger years, Darren had been a drug dealer,

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Speaker 13: which was the source of his nickname Dee Boy, and

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Speaker 13: we had seen in his FBI file that he had

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Speaker 13: been convicted of felony distribution of a controlled substance, but

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Speaker 13: we never had the documents covering the specifics of that conviction.

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Speaker 13: Fortunately they were in Mosey's box. He had the court

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Speaker 13: documents outlining Darren's two thousand and seven arrest charges and

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Speaker 13: sentencing for distribution of cocaine. Reading them, we see that

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Speaker 13: Darren pled guilty to the felony counts against him, and

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Speaker 13: that he was given five years of probation. Mossey also

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Speaker 13: had the court documents from Darren's earlier charges for assaulting

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Speaker 13: an officer and resisting arrest, to which he'd also pled guilty.

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Speaker 13: More interesting, still, Mosey had documents about an incident we'd

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Speaker 13: somehow never heard of only months before Darren's five year

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Speaker 13: probation was set to be completed.

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Speaker 11: He was in a shootout.

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Speaker 13: If you remember, in twenty thirteen, Darren was shot six

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Speaker 13: times outside of an apartment complex. Well, it turns out

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Speaker 13: one year prior, he had been in a parked car

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Speaker 13: with a young woman in front of that very same

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Speaker 13: apartment complex when a man approached the car and banged

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Speaker 13: on the hood. According to the woman's testimony in the

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Speaker 13: police report, Darren said he knew the man. The man

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Speaker 13: pulled a gun, and Darren jumped out of the car,

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Speaker 13: drawing his own weapon. The two exchanged fire, and the

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Speaker 13: man fled up the street. Witnesses saw Darren stash his

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Speaker 13: gun in a parked car, which police later had towed.

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Speaker 13: Bonnie later called the police as the car was hers

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Speaker 13: Soon after the police arrested Darren. What happened in the

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Speaker 13: interview room is very important. According to the report, Darren

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Speaker 13: answered very few questions and he was visibly shaking after

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Speaker 13: he was told that he was being booked on three

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Speaker 13: different felony charges, assault, armed criminal action, and unlawful use

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Speaker 13: of a weapon. The detective offered Darren one more chance

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Speaker 13: to explain what happened. After a long pause, Darren told

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Speaker 13: the detective quote, they will kill me for saying after

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Speaker 13: this arrest. We don't see any legal consequences for Darren.

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Speaker 13: No probation violation, no new charges or sentencing, which is

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Speaker 13: significant because Darren was already a convicted felon, so he

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Speaker 13: could not legally possess a firearm. In the report, in

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Speaker 13: a box marked status, it says cleared January nineteenth, twenty twelve,

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Speaker 13: so eight days after the incident itself. Seemingly the police

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Speaker 13: have passed the case on to a prosecutor for review

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Speaker 13: or something. We requested documents from the Saint Louis City

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Speaker 13: Police about what happened next in this case, but we're

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Speaker 13: told they had no records to give us. Now, just

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Speaker 13: because we don't know what happened to Darren as a

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Speaker 13: result of his illegal possession of a firearm while he

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Speaker 13: was on probation, we need to be clear we cannot

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Speaker 13: say that necessarily means he made a deal to cooperate

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Speaker 13: with the police.

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Speaker 2: We just don't know.

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Speaker 8: You tell on me, I tell on the next person,

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Speaker 8: and we're both out. And at the end of the day,

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Speaker 8: all of this negative energy is out on the streets.

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Speaker 11: And that just continues to go on day in and

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Speaker 11: day out.

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Speaker 8: And that's what's actually pushed a lot of the confusion

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Speaker 8: that a lot of times result in somebody or some

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Speaker 8: people being killed. This is what we're dealing with in

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Speaker 8: our community daily, and it starts down there at the

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Speaker 8: federal courthouse, and then from that, you know, sides are picked,

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Speaker 8: and we have a community that is usually I know

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Speaker 8: everything about you, you know everything about.

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Speaker 3: Me, and we're at war.

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Speaker 8: The worst enemy in the world is somebody that knows

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Speaker 8: everything about you.

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Speaker 5: And that's what we're dealing with.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 8: And when they get done prosecuting their case of making

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Speaker 8: their arrest, they go off to the safety of their

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Speaker 8: safe impart and they do what they do in the

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Speaker 8: community as a whole, where these the suspects are from.

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Speaker 8: They have to walk on pins and needles and hope

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Speaker 8: that they are not innocent victims being are being an

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Speaker 8: incident that they have absolutely nothing to.

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Speaker 7: Do with for years.

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Speaker 13: I think Lewis has been known as the most dangerous

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Speaker 13: city in America.

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Speaker 18: And that's not just referring to gun viners, and that's

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Speaker 18: talking about what you have to do as a black

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Speaker 18: person to survive in Saint Louis.

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Speaker 13: Is a battle for resources.

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Speaker 18: And not only are they battling environmental factors, they're battling

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Speaker 18: legal structures. And our legal structure is.

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Speaker 11: Such that if you can pay, you can play.

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Speaker 18: But if you don't have the resources to fight for

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Speaker 18: your freedom, you're in trouble, you know. And most people

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Speaker 18: in those situations will do anything to keep their freedom,

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Speaker 18: whether that being informant, whether that be whatever.

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Speaker 17: It is is, you know, just not to be incarcerated,

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Speaker 17: which is a.

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Speaker 14: Terrifying thing for someone.

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Speaker 18: Who has never been incarcerated, you know, when you get

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Speaker 18: caught in that track.

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Speaker 10: And so, you know, I definitely think we need to give.

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Speaker 18: A little attention to that toxic environment. And Darren Sales

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Speaker 18: was facing a giant. There's nothing that he could do

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Speaker 18: with the government. They have way more resources than he does,

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Speaker 18: and they could put their timb on the scale whenever they.

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Speaker 1: Want, curing a mirror in Darnelle talk about the pressure

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Speaker 1: to take a deal to inform on someone else in

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Speaker 1: order to reduce your own sentence. Brings to mind what

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Speaker 1: my friend Paul Jones told us in episode two about

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Speaker 1: police using children for information. It also reminded us of

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Speaker 1: something Chariff Allen said, bro the police, your.

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Speaker 7: Fame was leaving to the person who will be come

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Speaker 7: to you. Gill Candy, the more little one that will

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Speaker 7: literally pull up on the sea until you where a game.

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Speaker 1: Many parts of Saint Louis and Saint Louis County are dangerous,

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Speaker 1: and we're not under any Candyland delusions that making them

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Speaker 1: safe is a simple task. But what goes unseen by

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Speaker 1: most people is that the conflict between criminals, law enforcement,

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Speaker 1: and regular citizens who are just trying to live their

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Speaker 1: lives is the information war. Law enforcement is always trying

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Speaker 1: to stay ahead of criminals, and criminals are always trying

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Speaker 1: to stay one step ahead of law enforcement. As police

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Speaker 1: gather sources and information, they also put information, true or not,

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Speaker 1: back into the community. And when we think of Darren

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Speaker 1: being pulled over by a long stretch of police cars,

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Speaker 1: or the story about him being arrested, only briefly held

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Speaker 1: and then quickly released, we have to wan if these

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Speaker 1: weren't attempts by law enforcement to make it appear to

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Speaker 1: people in the community that Darren was cooperating with him.

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Speaker 1: After all, if he is pulled over by a string

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Speaker 1: of officers when his driver's license is revoked and has

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Speaker 1: then let go, as we discussed in episode six, is

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Speaker 1: the point of that exercise or others like it to

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Speaker 1: endanger Darren, to make him suspicious in the eyes of

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Speaker 1: the people around him, to make it appear as though

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Speaker 1: he's gotten a good deal from the police, so the

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Speaker 1: criminal element will begin to question his loyalties and motives.

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Speaker 1: We wonder if this pressure wasn't placed on Darren by

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Speaker 1: law enforcement so he would feel as though he had

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Speaker 1: no choice left but to cooperate. Or perhaps he had

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Speaker 1: at one point given information and had then changed his mind,

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Speaker 1: refusing to tell police anything more, and the police decided

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Speaker 1: to turn the screws on him to bring him back

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Speaker 1: in line. It's anyone's guests, and Darren himself warned people

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Speaker 1: about this information war before he died.

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Speaker 12: I think it's important that people learn from all mistakes

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Speaker 12: he made a furnuson and become a little bit more intelligent.

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Speaker 12: I mean, we got to learn from the part of

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Speaker 12: the states he's made for the instut employ ary. I mean,

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Speaker 12: how did it take down Marcus Guardy, How did it

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Speaker 12: take down Malchael? Makes you gotta come more educated on

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Speaker 12: things like Corntail Prome.

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Speaker 1: Let's look at a timeline. In August of twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 1: friend of Darren's, Anthony T. T. Jordan, is arrested as

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Speaker 1: part of a sealed federal indictment for conspiracy to distribute

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Speaker 1: cocaine and a spate of murders. He was suspected of

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Speaker 1: committing on behalf of the Adrian Lemon's gang. A few

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Speaker 1: months later, in January of twenty sixteen, eighteen more people

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Speaker 1: were arrested as part of this investigation, including Adrian Lemons himself.

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Speaker 1: This likely began to send cracks into the day to

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Speaker 1: day operations of that cocaine distribution network, and if other

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Speaker 1: members were worried that they were next, it stands to

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Speaker 1: reason that they would want to eliminate any possible informants

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Speaker 1: who might leak information that would help the government in

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Speaker 1: their crackdown. Then two months later, in March of twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 1: the FBI opens its surveillance operation on Darren and from

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Speaker 1: then on we see him followed and pulled over and

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Speaker 1: let go several times, including the incident his mother described

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Speaker 1: and believed occurred about a month before he died. That summer,

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Speaker 1: j Bird is arrested, which leaves Darren in charge of

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Speaker 1: the Bottom Boys and sees that it is him that

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Speaker 1: goes to Rock Nation to present the group. Then three

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Speaker 1: months later, in September of twenty sixteen, Darren is murdered.

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Speaker 1: Months after that, on November thirtieth, we see in Darren's

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Speaker 1: FBI documents what appears to be a request to access

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Speaker 1: this file. The language reads quote request redacted be opened

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Speaker 1: and captioned investigation. The referred to investigation is also redacted.

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Speaker 1: But the very next day, December one, twenty sixteen, Jaybird

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Speaker 1: is arrested as part of the federal indictment into the

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Speaker 1: Lemon's Cocaine Gang. Less than two weeks later, another redacted

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Speaker 1: action is taken by a redacted person in Darren's FBI file,

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Speaker 1: but we can see that a stated reason for the

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Speaker 1: redaction is listed as quote sealed pursuant to a United

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Speaker 1: States court order. While perhaps it's a coincidence, we do

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Speaker 1: note that the indictments in the Lemon's cases were all

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Speaker 1: sealed by the court. Taken together, these items make us

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Speaker 1: at least I suspect that something in Darren's FBI file

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Speaker 1: was being used to prosecute Jabird. And finally, we have

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Speaker 1: one piece of evidence that we cannot entirely reveal in

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Speaker 1: order to protect the safety of its source. We have

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Speaker 1: shared it with an independent third party fact checker, who

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Speaker 1: confirmed to our attorney its validity and hopes that you

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Speaker 1: will trust us when we say that this piece of evidence,

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Speaker 1: while not ironclad, suggests that Jaberd did believe that Darren

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Speaker 1: was an informant and that's why Darren was killed. We

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Speaker 1: know it doesn't make for Sexy Radio to present it

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Speaker 1: this way, but we had no choice. We never would

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Speaker 1: have accessed it otherwise. To be absolutely one hundred percent clear,

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Speaker 1: this evidence does not in any way prove that jaber

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Speaker 1: told Kilo to kill Darren, but as of this writing,

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Speaker 1: based on everything that we have seen and heard, we

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Speaker 1: think that this is the most likely case. Jay Bird

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Speaker 1: has since been released from prison. We reached out to

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Speaker 1: him through his lawyer, hoping to arrange a conversation so

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Speaker 1: he could give comment. That lawyer happens to be Travis Noble,

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Speaker 1: the same lawyer who represented LP in his murder case

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Speaker 1: and who sat with LP during our interview with him.

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Speaker 1: So far, he has not responded to our request, and

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Speaker 1: that is where we landed. After more than two years

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Speaker 1: of work, we were wrapping up the season, waiting on

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Speaker 1: a few documents and responses to our request for final comments,

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Speaker 1: when something happened, something big, something that answered everything, And

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Speaker 1: that's next time on After the Uprising.

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