1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:02,760 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm George Ori and welcome to the new I 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, a m paranormal podcast network. 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: Like us on Facebook, Tell your friends and share us 4 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: with everyone. This is an exciting new network that will 5 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: feature podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, and the unexplained. Now, 6 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: please sit back and enjoy Dark Becomes Light with Heidi Hollis. 7 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware of the thoughts 8 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 1: and opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and 9 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: opinions only and do not reflect those of I Heart Media, 10 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio, Coast to Coast AM employees of premier networks, 11 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: or their sponsors and associates. We would like to encourage 12 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: you to do your own research and discover the subject 13 00:00:49,840 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: matter for yourself. You are listening to Dark It Comes 14 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: Light with me, Heidi Hollis, Heart Radio and Coast to 15 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: Coast they am paraormal podcast network. Welcome to my show. 16 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 1: Remember each week this is the place we go to 17 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: when you want to hear the latest and her normal hour. 18 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: I'm talking about your neighbor down the street, your best friend, 19 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: your dad, whomever it is. They are experiencing things though 20 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 1: the ordinary. Guess what they call me. They send their 21 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: emails and their stories of their heart felt words to 22 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 1: Heidi Collis dot com or shadow Folks dot com. That's 23 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: for those of you who do not know how to 24 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: spell my name. And they those all those words and 25 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: every little detail that they could think of to the 26 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: form that I have there. And what I do then 27 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: is I share it here on the program. So I 28 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: want to encourage you guys to all go there and 29 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: fill out that form. Tell me what's going on out 30 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: there in the world, from angels to aliens, shadow people 31 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: to the hat man, anything and everything out of ordinary. 32 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: I have had people that write about certain things concerning crystals, bigfoot, 33 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: were wolves, uh, you name it, uh, near death experiences. 34 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 1: I mean, why limit it. It's all connected. So let's 35 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: go there. Ummm, well I was going there. Um but anyways, 36 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: you can hear in my voice, I'm a little bit sick. 37 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 1: I'm overcoming some bad cooties. But um it's okay, it's okay. Uh. 38 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you too. Today you're in for quite 39 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: the treat I have. Lester Villez is going to be 40 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 1: on the program today. Oh yes, and what is he 41 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: going to speak on? Opus? The Organization for Paranormal Understanding 42 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: and Support. Did you guys even oh, such a thing existed? 43 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: I know, I didn't know for a very long time, 44 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: very very very very long time. So we're going to 45 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: get into that and what that's all about. What inspired 46 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: him to do this and create this organization and pull 47 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: people together to do what help each other understand what's 48 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: going on out there when it comes to these things 49 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: out of the ordinary. It's so very important, and um, 50 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: if we don't come together, how are we going to learn? 51 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: I keep telling people like, I'm gonna sit here with 52 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: this unbelievable story and just hoard it. You know, people like, 53 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: what got you to get out here and speak on 54 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: these things? Well, um, let's see. I grew up in 55 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: a family where we didn't we weren't shy. We were 56 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: not shy about what it is that we're experiencing because 57 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: we're experiencing it right alongside of each other. And we 58 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: treated horror movies like therapeutic sessions. And I'm not kidding, 59 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: like a movie wasn't movie unless it was scary. And 60 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: that's how we got to understand that people understood the 61 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: possibility these out there what can happen? And uh, I 62 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: was healing. It sounds crazy, but it was healing. And 63 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: we were very, very very thankful that we didn't experience 64 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: anything like the Exorcist movie. Um, that's all I could 65 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: tell you, because you know, it's really isolating when you 66 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 1: experience these things. And I don't know how to stress that. 67 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: It's so isolating. It could turn your world upside down. 68 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,359 Speaker 1: And if you don't have the support of friends or 69 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: family or somebody around you, it could be absolutely depressing 70 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 1: and you feel, you know, oppressed, and then you get possessed. 71 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: It's it's sad. It's sad, and I hate hearing about it. 72 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 1: I hate knowing these things are going on out there. 73 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: So I took the step forward to use me my 74 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 1: life as an example of strange things can happen to regular, 75 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 1: everyday people, and we can find answers, we can find resolution. 76 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: We do not have to take what comes at us. No, 77 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: we don't. We don't have to always. Uh. It makes 78 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 1: me so um, I don't even know, it's just this 79 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: boiling in me when I hear people are like absolutely 80 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,119 Speaker 1: just feeling like victims, and I get it. It's probably 81 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: because they don't have the support and and you know 82 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 1: who the heck wakes up one day. It's like, you know, 83 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: I'm going to look into some demons today and see 84 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 1: how to fight them. No, I mean it's not it's 85 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: not a thing, you know, but on a necessity and 86 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 1: when you're you're in the whole aura of fear, you 87 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: really don't see a way out. And uh, we're all 88 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 1: about bringing dark into the light, right, dark become light. Huh, 89 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: So don't mind me, um, but yeah, that that's a 90 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: whole goal. And uh, you know, before I go on 91 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 1: to um introducing our wonderful guests today, I have an 92 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: email and it looks like it's short and sweet. So 93 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: we'll see where this one brings us. Okay, and this 94 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: one says Cecy, Well, that's interesting. Um. First named Karen, 95 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 1: and she begins and says, dear Heidie, I had a 96 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 1: bad dream and woke up to this weird pattern on 97 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: my ceiling. M hmm. Okay. It was a shadow and 98 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: looked like a doily of all things. You guys know 99 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: what doily is, right, and those really highly patterned little 100 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 1: stitchery that everybody's grandmother or stepmother made, as my stepmother did. Um, 101 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: that's just kind of interesting. So the first thing that 102 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: comes to mind when I think of doilies as those 103 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: stringy patterns that were made in my home growing up. 104 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: All right, um, and she continues, and I prayed it away. 105 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 1: I rebuked it in the name of Jesus Christ. Well, 106 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: all right, girlfriend, and it's slowly faded. Mm hmmm. One 107 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: lady told me I, or really I opened a portal, 108 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: but I don't know how I did that. Strange on that. 109 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: That's that's the end of the email. Um hm hmm. Okay, 110 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: So there's a lot to believe it or not to 111 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: unpack here. Uh why, Well, first off, the thing that 112 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: made me reflect on a on a incident that I 113 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: personally had was with shadow orb looking things right, and 114 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: they kind of rose up to the ceiling and like 115 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,679 Speaker 1: as kind of you know, wishing praying these things away, 116 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: they slowly faded. So it's interesting that you're you're talking 117 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: about a weird pattern on you and you're ceiling like that, 118 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: and how it slowly faded away. But when I'm I'm 119 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: reading this and how you rebuked it in the name 120 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: of Jesus, I would say, sprinkle some Jesus on it. 121 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: That's my that's my slogan. I wonder if anybody is 122 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: steal that one. Now. Um uh but um, if something's 123 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: too good and people take it, it's like I have 124 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: to get into something like that. Actually, um but yeah, um, 125 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: but it's it's just it's one of those those things 126 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: that sprinkling some Jesus on it helps, and if it 127 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: faded away, it couldn't have been good. Right, So it 128 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: was black, and we associate something shadowed as being negative. Right, 129 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: So good on you too, sprinkle some Jesus on it. 130 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: But this part here, this is what bothers me. One 131 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: lady told me I opened a portal, But you don't 132 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: know how. Um, you didn't write about it, so I'm 133 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: assuming you really don't know how. I mean, you didn't 134 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: put that one day you played with a wigia bargin, 135 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: didn't put that one day you thought just to try 136 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: this incantation and see if the devil shows up. You 137 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: didn't mention any of that, so I'm assuming nothing was 138 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 1: clear to you and you just put the words strange. 139 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: I mean, that is strange. What's most strange is that 140 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: somebody told you that. How do they know you well 141 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 1: enough to say, yep, you did it. I don't know 142 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: you well enough to say that I'm not a psychic. Um. 143 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: I don't know if the person that you're you're speaking 144 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: of as a psychic, but um, either way, why why 145 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: go there? Why say you did it? That's your fault. 146 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: You earned that, you know. It's like, I don't I 147 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: don't get that. I think that was kind of wrong. 148 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: I think it was a cheap shot, like, well, you 149 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: did it yourself, so so oh well, It's like sometimes 150 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: things just come leaking into a person's home through the neighbor, 151 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: or somebody that delivered a package and had some nasty 152 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: mojo on them. These things happen. Or you were out 153 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: at the good Will and picked up something and it 154 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: had some stink on it that was dark. It could 155 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 1: have been a haunted doily for all we know. That's funny. 156 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: Let's hope not though. I mean anything could be haunted, really, 157 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: anything could be haunted. Why not? I mean, you just 158 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: don't know who it was that owned something prior, or 159 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 1: if they use that black marker to draw a pentagram. 160 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: We don't know. We don't know. Oh that makes me think, 161 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: never pick up somebody's pen anymore. Marker, But honestly, we don't. Um, 162 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 1: so to say that it was you. There is no 163 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: way to know that. And what a strange thing to 164 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: have such a pattern on your wall, believe it or not. 165 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: Though I did see somebody that had an odd pattern 166 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:00,959 Speaker 1: on their skin, but it was from what they thought 167 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 1: was an alien encounter. But it kind of looked like 168 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: a strange little doily pattern. Actually, I've seen a couple 169 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 1: of those, a couple of those, and one in person. 170 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 1: And the one girl, she was just so freaked like 171 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: what is this? Why is this on me? And I 172 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: don't know. I'm not a psychic, but I sure wouldn't 173 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: say you did it to yourself. You probably created a 174 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: portal on your skin. So anyways, Ceci, I want to 175 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: thank you for writing me and something I want to 176 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: get to. Um, you know, I did a I did 177 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: a show not too long ago, and um, the question 178 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: was asked to me that you know, wow, it's controversial 179 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: that you trademarked shadow people. I'm like, it is I 180 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: heard that? Haven't hear anybody complain about that? And they're like, oh, 181 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 1: I guess I've just talked to certain people and like, really, well, 182 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,719 Speaker 1: why it's like, well, because it's such a common thing, 183 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 1: and I I briefly told them. I said, well, you know, 184 00:11:57,679 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 1: straight out of college instead of practicing as a therapy 185 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: us for five years, I packed up my friends into 186 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: a van and and we drove across country with my 187 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: self published book. I wrote nine and nobody would publish. 188 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,199 Speaker 1: So I finally got published four years later in two 189 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: thousand one, and I was out there talking and nobody 190 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: invited me to these conferences I would go to until 191 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: it was open mic time. I'd go up on the 192 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: stage after I was renting a table there and sell 193 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 1: my books there independently and grabbed the open mic and 194 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: just say my truth and uh. And it got popular, 195 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:30,959 Speaker 1: and I started coming on coast to coast am for 196 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: twenty plus years. So if people know about the Shadow 197 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: People and the hat Man, you're welcome. It's like, should 198 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: Stanley apologize that Spider Man got boculars? That's where I'm going. 199 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: Um So, anyways, I just had to share that because 200 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 1: that was the first I'd heard that, so fascinating. Well, 201 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 1: you guys, guess what we are in for a treat 202 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: because we have Lester a les coming here on the 203 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: program and we're going to dive into a whole lot 204 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:08,319 Speaker 1: of interesting topics. All right, you are listening to Dark 205 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: Becomes LIGHTE with me, Heidi Hollis. I mean I Heart Radio. Hey, 206 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast. They am paranormal podcast network. The crowd. 207 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: Let me right there, welcome back. You are listening to 208 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the I 209 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast the Coast they am paranormal podcast network. 210 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 1: And I was promised I have a fabulous guest. I 211 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 1: have Lester of a Lez who is a graduate of 212 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: the University of Vermont with a Bachelor of Science degree 213 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: in business and minister. Beginning in September of seventy he 214 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: served in the U. S Army as a field artillery 215 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: officer and was later vice president of the Lescomb Engineering 216 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 1: I could be saying that wrong, uh, Silicon Valley based 217 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: manufacturers representative company. He joined move On the mutual UFO 218 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: network in and has held the following positions. He was 219 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: a field Investigator Training coordinator for Field Investigators, the Assistant 220 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: State Director in Northern California, Chairman of the a E 221 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: r C, which is the Abduction Experiencer Research Committee, and 222 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: the team leader of a r T, which is the 223 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: Abduction Response Team. And also during that time he became 224 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: a facilitator for an abduction support group in San Jose, California, 225 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: and he co founded OPUS, which is the Organization for 226 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: Paranormal Understanding and Support, a very well respected group. I 227 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: must say, so, I'd like to welcome Les Viles to 228 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: the show. How are you doing today? There? Les? Great? 229 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: Heidi is so happy to be with you today. Yeah. Same, 230 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: My gosh, You're I'm gonna say it right here now. 231 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: You are a super duper paranormal pioneer of sorts. I mean, 232 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: if it hadn't been told to you before, as you 233 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: mentioned before we got on here, you know it now 234 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: and I recognize it. Thank you so much, honestly, I mean, gosh, 235 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: the OPUS Okay, please tell us a bit about that, 236 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: and why on earth did you get involved in doing 237 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: such a thing. Well, OPUS stands for the Organization for 238 00:15:52,920 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: Paranormal Understanding and Support, and it came about actually first 239 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:07,239 Speaker 1: got started in and UH. We're a nonprofit organization recognized 240 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: by the I R. S UH and our mission simply 241 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: put us to help people having paranormal experiences. And um, 242 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: we you know, we have put together a team uh 243 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: that has been able to really give people that are 244 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: having these types of experiences the help that they need, 245 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: and we do this through three different ways. Now. The 246 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: first way is that we have UH an online confidential 247 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: support group UH and we have over three people from 248 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: around the world that are talking to one another twenty 249 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: four seven, telling their stories, asking their questions. And then 250 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: we have a referral network of mental health practitioners hypno therapists. 251 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: And then the third thing that we just sillly brought 252 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: on board is a group called the Experience or support team, 253 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 1: and these are people that have a lot of experience 254 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 1: working with experiencers and UH. They it's sort of a 255 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 1: triage type of a team where they then talk to 256 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: these people and find out, you know, even if they've 257 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: mentioned the fact that they would like to be put 258 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: into the support group, but we verify the fact that, 259 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: you know, that's maybe the best place for them to 260 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: be UM. So this has proved to be very beneficial 261 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: for these people, especially the support group. Knowing that they're 262 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: not alone is such a such a great UH relief 263 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,199 Speaker 1: for these people because you know that most of the 264 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 1: time they think that they're totally alone, that you know, 265 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: this is not happening to anybody else because of course 266 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: they they're afraid to talk to their family members or 267 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: clergy or you know, they're um workmates. Uh. It's the 268 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 1: kind of thing that they're afraid that people think you're crazy. 269 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,360 Speaker 1: And a lot of these people have gone to therapists 270 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: and uh, I found out that they're not crazy. So 271 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 1: then what what do they do then? And that's what 272 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: we basically have provided these people a place where they 273 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: can go. And our website is Opus network dot org. 274 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, if if you're having you know, 275 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 1: poltergeist activity uh uh contact with non human intelligences, uh, 276 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: spiritual awakening and things of that nature, we can point 277 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: you in the right direction or give you help immediately 278 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 1: from our site. That's amazing. And you know, I sure 279 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:53,959 Speaker 1: could have used you back in the day. That's all 280 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say. They're less because man, I was dealing 281 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 1: with these shadowy things that I called shadow people, and 282 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:05,439 Speaker 1: I i'd seen UFOs. I had experienced seeing some beings 283 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:09,959 Speaker 1: in my home. Luckily I wasn't paralyzed, but I had 284 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: a little run in with them, you know, and lived 285 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: in the haunted house, dealt with poulter geist on a 286 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: body and it was confusing, you know. And Uh, I 287 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: became a therapist myself, and UH wrote my first book 288 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 1: while I was in college in n and and it 289 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 1: was one of those those those seeking things. I kept, 290 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:33,199 Speaker 1: you know, trying to uh connect the dots and and 291 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: then make it okay. Started a group. You know. It's 292 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 1: like back in the day, you couldn't just hit a 293 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,919 Speaker 1: button online and go I need help. You know, you 294 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: had to actually get out of your seat and go 295 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: look for it. And you did that in a big way, 296 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 1: and then you spread the joy. So I mean, super 297 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 1: applause to you, because um, I mean you're super ahead 298 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: of your time. Well, you know, people asked me, you 299 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 1: know what, what how did this? I'll get started for you. 300 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: And I have to back up to when I was 301 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: eleven years old, and this is when I lived in 302 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 1: Connecticut and I was coming in the house. It was 303 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 1: late October evening, uh and uh I saw this object. 304 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 1: It was hovering over this tree line, no no sound whatsoever, 305 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: and it scared the hell out of me. And I 306 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: ran in the house, tried to get my father to 307 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 1: come out, and I finally he finally did come out, 308 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: and it was gone by then, and he said well, 309 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 1: it's probably just a beacon of light reflecting off a cloud. 310 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 1: Well I didn't buy that, and I started reading books 311 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: by Georgia Damski back in those days, and uh who 312 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: talked about the Venusians and things of that nature. And 313 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: uh so, uh you know, I, like I said, I 314 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 1: was really into it for a while. But then you know, 315 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: I got older, and uh I went off to college 316 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 1: and and then I uh uh actually on graduation, got 317 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: married and went in the service. I went through the 318 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 1: ROTC program and uh eventually had a couple of children 319 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 1: in the UH. Moved from Connecticut to California, and I 320 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 1: picked up the paper one day, the San Jose Abraicury 321 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,719 Speaker 1: News as it was called back then, UH, and Stanton 322 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: Freeman was going to talk about UFOs and the government 323 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 1: cover up. And it was like somebody threw a switch. 324 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: And I was like, oh my god, this is you 325 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: know this. I've got to go see this guy. And 326 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: so I got pioneers right, Oh my god, yes, UH, 327 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 1: fantastic man. Unfortunately he's he's gone now too, and uh 328 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: so he gave one of his inimitable UH presentations and 329 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: I was really excited and on my way out, uh 330 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:59,439 Speaker 1: this organization called move On Mutual UFO Network had a 331 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:05,679 Speaker 1: table there and uh uh so they produce a monthly journal, 332 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: and so I decided, I'm going to start getting a 333 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: journal which talks about UFO UM sightings and uh investigations 334 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: that they do. And so that was okay for a while, 335 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,679 Speaker 1: but then I finally decided I wanted to become a 336 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: field investigator, and I passed the test and started to 337 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: go out in the field with a more seasoned person. 338 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,439 Speaker 1: But all the cases, almost without exception, turned out to 339 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: be not only sightings, but these people telling us that 340 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: they've had contact with non human intelligences, and so that 341 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: really started to get my interest. And and then these 342 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,439 Speaker 1: people would ask me did I know of other people 343 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: having similar circumstances, and I said, yes, I do. And 344 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 1: so next thing I'm doing, I'm facilitating a support group 345 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:59,120 Speaker 1: in San Jose and my office. So yeah, amazing, it's amazing. 346 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,959 Speaker 1: And you started to find that a lot of these 347 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: uh things that that people were reporting were interconnected. I mean, 348 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 1: because you don't just stop at one type of experience, 349 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: You're kind of open up the discussion for everything correct absolutely, 350 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: and and that that is you know, I firmly believe 351 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: that all these things are connected, whether you talk about 352 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: shadow people, whether you talk about light beings orbs, grays, um, 353 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 1: this whole realm. You know, once you go down that 354 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: rabbit hole, it's it's pretty incredible. And uh uh you know, 355 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: these people are telling you stories that you know, in 356 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: balance are are very similar. But then they have all 357 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 1: kinds of nuances with it and uh but the bottom 358 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 1: line is they're having some type of inexperience, whether it 359 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: might be out of body type of experience you know, 360 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: astral travel, if you will, uh, but or physical physical 361 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: uh experiences that manifest and marks on the body, uh, 362 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: implants and things of that nature, right exactly, you know, 363 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: uh mentioning the shadow people from the start, I've discussed 364 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 1: their connection directly to some of these alien beings and 365 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: how they've been seen right alongside of them. Sometimes have 366 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 1: you come across stories like that, um in that particular case, 367 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 1: I don't think so, But I would believe that it's 368 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: totally possible that these things interact with one another. Uh. 369 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,199 Speaker 1: It could be. You know a lot of times that 370 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: you hear about the fact that a person has brought 371 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: on board a craft by a small gray, and then 372 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 1: there's a large gray there. But then there's a a 373 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: man this type of a creature that may be there 374 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:55,880 Speaker 1: as well, or a Nordic or a man in military uniform. 375 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: I mean, this thing starts to really, you know, multiply 376 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: as far as the people that are involved with it. 377 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,439 Speaker 1: So I would certainly believe that that is possible that 378 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: you have two different entities that are interacting and and 379 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: you you know, are they all good? Are they all bad? 380 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: I think we have both. I think you have even 381 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: within species, you have good ones and you have bad ones. 382 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 1: And on this planet, how about that? Exactly? It is 383 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 1: exactly the same thing. Human's got issues. Well, we've got 384 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 1: to get to our next break. You are listening to 385 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the I 386 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: Heart Radio at Coast to Coast AM. There are a 387 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 1: normal podcast network. Stick around, We'll be right back. A 388 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: welcome back. You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with 389 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast 390 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 1: to Coast a AM para normal podcast network. I have 391 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 1: less Valez and we are speaking on everything out of 392 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: the ordinary and how Opus has helped so many people 393 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: from so many walks of life. I'm curious if you've 394 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: had people who have come to you about such things 395 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,400 Speaker 1: as near death experiences or angelic encounters and what that's 396 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:32,360 Speaker 1: been like. Well, it's it's interesting that you brought that up, 397 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: because most of a lot of the people that do 398 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: come to us talk about having had a near death experience. 399 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 1: But there's a there's a story I want to tell 400 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: you about. It relates to how Opus got started, but 401 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 1: it goes back into near death experience question. I had 402 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: been written up in the Monterey Coast Weekly paper. Uh, 403 00:26:55,800 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: this reporter had talked to move On headquarters and asked 404 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: if for the name of someone that he could talk 405 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: to about, uh, the UFO thing. And so they evidently 406 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 1: gave this reporter my name. He came out, he interviewed me, 407 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 1: ended up putting my head on. I mean, it was 408 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: really weird, my head on the front cover of this 409 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 1: weekly paper. In that same article, there was a woman 410 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: that was written up with her capabilities that she had, 411 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: and she contacted me said to me, like, I'd like 412 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: to understand what's going on with my brain waves when 413 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: I'm in contact with these off earthly entities. Uh, you know, 414 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: I kind of scratched my head figuratively and saying, well, 415 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: you know, how am I gonna possibly help this person? 416 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: And then she said she was working with an emergency 417 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 1: room doctor don and Carmel, And so that really piqued 418 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 1: my interest because I had a doctor friend by the 419 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: name of Eugene Lipson um that was interested in me 420 00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: to other doctors. Um. I called him up and I said, 421 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 1: you know, why don't we take a trip down and 422 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 1: visit with this lady and and see see what we 423 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,439 Speaker 1: could possibly do or to better understand what it is 424 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,199 Speaker 1: that's happening to her. So we did, and as we 425 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 1: walked into her home, Uh, there was a picture on 426 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: the wall and it was her standing on the back 427 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 1: of this boat, a rather large vessel. And I said, 428 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,919 Speaker 1: what's this all about? Well, that was when I was 429 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,640 Speaker 1: down in the Caribbean helping these treasure hunters. And I said, what, Yeah, 430 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,919 Speaker 1: I was helping these treasures. Well, how are you helping 431 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: them just while I was in contact with the captain 432 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: of the galleon that had gone down. So that, of course, 433 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: UH kind of blew us away. Uh, And we what 434 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 1: we came to find out that after a near death experience, 435 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: she had become very psychic, and so she began to 436 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: tell us things about ourselves that afternoon that there was 437 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: no possible way that she could know that because she 438 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: didn't know us from Adam, you know, and the article 439 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: didn't say anything about my background other than you know, 440 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: my involvement with move On. So yeah, so we came 441 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 1: away that afternoon and we stopped at a Hamburger Giant 442 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: and decided, how can we possibly help people like this? 443 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,959 Speaker 1: And because we were you know, I had already been 444 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: doing the support group in San Jose and and and 445 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: and Jean was doing some similar things up in his area. 446 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: And so that was the afternoon that opus was hatched. 447 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: The rest is history, so to speak. But near death 448 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:46,479 Speaker 1: experiences does does come up a lot uh that uh 449 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: uh afterwards people become very psychic. They have a whole 450 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: different worldview afterwards, especially with the contacts that they make 451 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 1: during uh these experiences. Another doctor, and you might have 452 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: heard of this story. She was taking a kayaking adventure 453 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: down South America and uh she went over this falls 454 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: and got trapped at the bottom of the falls for 455 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: over thirty minutes. And during that time she saw these 456 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: entities and they she felt this incredible love coming her way, 457 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 1: and so she decided that she wanted to go with them. 458 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: And then they said no, no, no, Uh, you have 459 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: things that you have to do. You have to go back, 460 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: and she survived. One of the things that these entities 461 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 1: also told her was that her son, who was little 462 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: at the time, when he turned eighteen, would succumb, would die. 463 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: Of course, that shook her up quite a bit. And uh, 464 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: but she never said anything to her son, and because 465 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: she probably didn't believe it. Anyway, when he turned eighteen, 466 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: shortly thereafter, he got in a car accident and died. 467 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 1: So I mean near death. UM. Psychic abilities, involvement with entities, 468 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 1: healings that go on when you when you are in 469 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 1: contact with them. Uh, you know, I don't know if 470 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: you know the name major Major. Oh goodness, I'm losing 471 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: it right now. Anyway, he was in charge of the 472 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: miusterm Air Force base when all the missiles were shut down. UM. 473 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 1: And he was at a presentation that I made at 474 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: the move On symposium two years ago in Las Vegas. 475 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: This was an experiencer's meeting and he brought his wife 476 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 1: along with him, and after I did the presentation, he 477 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: came up to me and said, can I talk to you, 478 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 1: you know, in private afterwards? And so I said sure. 479 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: Um and uh, I was sitting at my table in 480 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: an exhibitor area hawking my uh my book which we'll 481 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: we'll talk about, um the unknown other. And he tells 482 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: me that he had an experience along with his wife 483 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 1: and when they came back after this experience, she was 484 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: able to heal people. The ability to heal was not 485 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 1: only something that happens with you, but you can also 486 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: become a healer. Uh So how do these things happen? 487 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: You know, we don't understand so much about this phenomena. 488 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 1: Uh And yeah it is. And you know, you have 489 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: the majority of people that are having these experience is 490 00:32:53,880 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 1: probably seventy or so that want these experiences to continue. Certainly, 491 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 1: in the beginning, all these experiences are quite traumatic, but 492 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 1: there's a process that goes on and then eventually they 493 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: become accustomed to it, and then when it stops, it's 494 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: almost like the Stockholm syndrome is like where did they go? 495 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: Why aren't they coming back from me? Uh? And so 496 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: that that's that's some interesting things. And one of the 497 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,239 Speaker 1: other things that opus does. We're in a process of 498 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 1: doing another research project. We did the first one back 499 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 1: in two thousand seven, which was funded by Moufon called 500 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: the Omega three study, where we took seventy one experiences 501 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 1: and fifty one people that were control group, and we 502 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 1: basically had them take various psychological tests and came away 503 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: with the fact that these people did not have a psychopathology. UH. 504 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 1: Their worldview changes dramatically. In other words, Hey, we need 505 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 1: to be better stewards of the planet, we need to 506 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: be better to one another, we need to be more loving. 507 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 1: These are all wonderful, wonderful things. UM and UH. There's 508 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:14,800 Speaker 1: also changes in the temporal lobe activity versus the control group, 509 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,360 Speaker 1: and that's another factor that I think is being looked 510 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: at by some UH scientists at the present time trying 511 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:29,879 Speaker 1: to better understand what how that is part of this process. 512 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 1: UM and now we're in the second phase of the 513 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,439 Speaker 1: Omega four study. The first phase was where we went 514 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 1: out to therapists and had them take UM this UH 515 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: survey and we came away with some interesting information there too, 516 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 1: which is actually published on our website. UM and Number one, 517 00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:01,759 Speaker 1: most activity does involve the graves UH as far as 518 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,239 Speaker 1: contact with non human intelligence. Is the second thing that 519 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 1: comes up as orbs. People talk about orbs. The third 520 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:14,239 Speaker 1: the third thing that comes up as interdimensionals. And then 521 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 1: the fourth thing that comes up is polter geist activity 522 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 1: and Poulter. Poulter Geist activity can take the form of 523 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 1: a lot of different things. Uh, shadow people probably along 524 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 1: with it. Uh So, yeah, it's it's fascinating. There's so 525 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 1: many nooks and crannies to investigate in all this, but 526 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,799 Speaker 1: the bottom line, there's something going on. These people are 527 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 1: not crazy, um, And you know, the big question, what 528 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 1: is it? Is it? Is it extraterrestrial in nature? Is 529 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 1: it interdimensional in nature? Is it time travelers? Is it 530 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 1: the military? Or is it all the above, which I 531 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 1: kind of think it is, and probably anything else you 532 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,279 Speaker 1: can possibly think of, right, you know, one of the 533 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 1: questions that I have when it comes to the alien beings. 534 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,880 Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of gray involvement, but I 535 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:09,239 Speaker 1: have heard and witness myself people that absolutely went through 536 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,239 Speaker 1: so many horrible experiences with these beings, and then they 537 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:17,320 Speaker 1: would teach them, you know, something positive, and they're like, um, okay, 538 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: I wanted to kill them before, but now they're teaching 539 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 1: me things. So I guess I'm okay with it, And 540 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,799 Speaker 1: I'm like, hold on, you slept with a gun under 541 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,799 Speaker 1: your pillow, I remember you, you know. So do you 542 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,240 Speaker 1: think there's a conflict and alien contact? Are they masking 543 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 1: themselves to a pure as one thing? So you let 544 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 1: your guard down, they take advantage and then they reward 545 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 1: you with a cookie or something. I mean, what's going on? Yeah? Yeah, 546 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 1: it's the old carrot and stick of philosophy. Um yeah, 547 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:46,840 Speaker 1: I think what it What it is is that it 548 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 1: depends on the group that you're dealing with. Um, I 549 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 1: think I've you know, there's both sides of the story, 550 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 1: you know. You know, if you believe the Greer Greer group, 551 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,239 Speaker 1: uh that they believe everything is positive, no no issues, 552 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,320 Speaker 1: and then you have the the the David Jacobs and 553 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 1: and Bud Hopkins that said they're all bad. It's a mixture. 554 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 1: It's absolutely a mixture. And so it's very difficult, you 555 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: know too. And again based on our studies and other 556 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,840 Speaker 1: studies that have gone on the Free study, for instance, 557 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 1: most of the people are coming away with with positive 558 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 1: feelings about it. But certainly that that initial phase, that 559 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,960 Speaker 1: initial phase where you put on a table you're probe 560 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 1: to every orifice and and you know Siemen has taken, 561 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 1: eggs are taken, you know, implants are put in you. 562 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 1: Uh that that is pretty bad, pretty pretty horrible. What 563 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,960 Speaker 1: we're got to get to our next break. You guys, 564 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,800 Speaker 1: you are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi 565 00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 1: Hollis on the I Heart Radio and cosaka Stay AM 566 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 1: Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back. You are listening to Dark 567 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 1: Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on my Heart Radio 568 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:31,320 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast, a AM paranormal podcast network. Less. 569 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,120 Speaker 1: You made a really good point, uh that you know, 570 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:38,120 Speaker 1: definitely it does appear to be that there's a conflict 571 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,120 Speaker 1: or it's it's like a whole mishmash of so many 572 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 1: different elements when it comes to what's the being's agenda is? 573 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 1: And um, I always call it like a secret war, 574 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,959 Speaker 1: if you will. It's like, you know, I I feel 575 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,320 Speaker 1: that if these things can shape shift to make themselves 576 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 1: appear as one thing or another. I mean, who's to say, 577 00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,000 Speaker 1: who's standing before you? When one group did something horrible 578 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,640 Speaker 1: to you and another one that looks just like them, 579 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,800 Speaker 1: you know, they're they're absolutely different. They're absolutely peaceful, and 580 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,880 Speaker 1: I can't help to wonder if one is masking, you know, 581 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,799 Speaker 1: it's like if that's the problem going on. Yeah, I 582 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:19,279 Speaker 1: think that Again, it's a very complicated subject, you know, 583 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,800 Speaker 1: to understand what's their agenda, Well, there's so many different groups, 584 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,759 Speaker 1: you know, so you have to look at, you know, 585 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,680 Speaker 1: a particular group to then try to understand if there 586 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 1: is an agenda. And here here's what I like to 587 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:38,319 Speaker 1: say about this whole thing. I think it's almost like 588 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:43,919 Speaker 1: a school for the aliens um In other words, they 589 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:48,759 Speaker 1: have generations, you know, that come and go, and so 590 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,200 Speaker 1: when they have a new generation that needs to be 591 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:58,320 Speaker 1: taught how to investigate the human race, they come down. 592 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 1: They do the same thing because you time and time again, well, 593 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,800 Speaker 1: if they're so smart, they all they need is one sample, 594 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,560 Speaker 1: one person. They got it all figured out. Well, then 595 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,479 Speaker 1: that they they they it's and then they're doing things. 596 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,480 Speaker 1: You know, we do the same thing. We take a dolphin, 597 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,440 Speaker 1: for instance, we pull them out of the water, we 598 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:22,640 Speaker 1: tag and we take a blood sample, we measure them, uh, 599 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,400 Speaker 1: we throw them back in the water, and then a 600 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,880 Speaker 1: year later, we we've we've we capture him again. We 601 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,279 Speaker 1: pull them out of the out of the water, put 602 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,160 Speaker 1: him on the boat, do the same thing over and 603 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:37,880 Speaker 1: over and over again, and and so you know, I 604 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 1: think it's a learning process that that's going on. And 605 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 1: you know, we're not at the top of the food chain. Unfortunately, 606 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:51,840 Speaker 1: there's some hungry big foot out there. I know that. Yeah. 607 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 1: So so, I mean, yeah, it's really difficult to pinpoint, 608 00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:01,320 Speaker 1: if you will, that they have some nefarious agenda by 609 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,719 Speaker 1: you know, hoodwinking us and having a shape. And they 610 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,960 Speaker 1: do this certainly to in a lot of cases, to 611 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,840 Speaker 1: to make it more palatable for the person that's experience 612 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,080 Speaker 1: that you know, show up as a teddy bear, if 613 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,880 Speaker 1: you will, or an owl or a deer instead of 614 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:20,920 Speaker 1: a little gray um that kind of thing. But the 615 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,160 Speaker 1: bottom line is that they all seem to be doing 616 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:27,400 Speaker 1: the same same thing. Yeah, and there's probably groups that 617 00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:32,000 Speaker 1: they don't, you know, do have a nefarious agenda that 618 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,480 Speaker 1: you know, they're not being uh sports right. Well, I 619 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,600 Speaker 1: don't understand how some can think, well, they all have 620 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,560 Speaker 1: to be really positive because they got here somehow. I'm like, look, 621 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,840 Speaker 1: there's some really smart dudes out there that we're serial 622 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,040 Speaker 1: killers too. You know. It's like, why do I have 623 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,240 Speaker 1: to coom buy out with them if I think something 624 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:53,160 Speaker 1: there might be something wrong. I remember somebody very very famous. 625 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,880 Speaker 1: UM read my book The Secret War and is based 626 00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,440 Speaker 1: on the conflict and alien contact with you know, some 627 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,560 Speaker 1: of them are some of them are bad and shadow 628 00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,279 Speaker 1: people are in the middle. And uh and this this 629 00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,360 Speaker 1: researchers like, you know, go and throw this in the 630 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,239 Speaker 1: garbage is start all over again because there's not a 631 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,319 Speaker 1: single bad alien out there in the universe. I'm like, 632 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:18,080 Speaker 1: what I could have believe it, couldn't believe it. Yeah, 633 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,080 Speaker 1: it's it's like I would never think that's okay to 634 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,600 Speaker 1: push your opinion on someone. And I'm sure that's not 635 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,399 Speaker 1: anything that you guys do. You try to help them 636 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,239 Speaker 1: grow in the situation. Correct? Oh? Absolutely, I mean we're 637 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:37,440 Speaker 1: we're neutral, okay, we we listen to their stories. We don't, 638 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:41,520 Speaker 1: you know, uh, make a judgment. We try to help 639 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:47,360 Speaker 1: them with whatever we can, whether it's a support group, uh, 640 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:52,200 Speaker 1: a mental health practitioner, hypnotherapist. We are now talking with 641 00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:56,080 Speaker 1: a triagic person in our E. S T group. Um. 642 00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:00,120 Speaker 1: So uh yeah, and that's that's that's a horrible thing 643 00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,240 Speaker 1: to do to a person about it. Yeah, it really 644 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,320 Speaker 1: is I mean so many people, you know. I always 645 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,920 Speaker 1: tell people it's like, if I listened to the folks 646 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,240 Speaker 1: that I really admired, uh, you know that we're close 647 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,000 Speaker 1: and far, you know, and and just believed everything that 648 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,120 Speaker 1: was told to me or ordered of me, I would 649 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,640 Speaker 1: have never taken the steps that I did to you know, 650 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,040 Speaker 1: put something else out there on the map. And and 651 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,959 Speaker 1: it's like, I think it's important that we all kind 652 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,920 Speaker 1: of pick and choose what's healthy and what fits in 653 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,120 Speaker 1: our narrative to be acceptible. We don't have to follow 654 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,800 Speaker 1: a certain pattern to express ourselves in this this field 655 00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:41,200 Speaker 1: and understand it absolutely. And one of the reasons why 656 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,480 Speaker 1: I put the book out the last year, The Unknown 657 00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:48,880 Speaker 1: Other and the Existential Proposition of Alien Contact, which you 658 00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,160 Speaker 1: could actually see on our website on the home page 659 00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:57,160 Speaker 1: and also it's available on Amazon UM. Basically, it's an 660 00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:01,480 Speaker 1: overview of of of the topic UH contact with non 661 00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:07,799 Speaker 1: human intelligences with all the physical psychological aspects of it 662 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:12,880 Speaker 1: UH and and then including UH the military aspects of 663 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:17,160 Speaker 1: it UH and the government UAP report that came out 664 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:21,120 Speaker 1: and then of course the full full analysis of the 665 00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,719 Speaker 1: OMEGA three study which is in there in the appendix 666 00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:30,279 Speaker 1: where we interviewed UH seventy one experiencers and compared them 667 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:36,279 Speaker 1: to fifty one control people. So yeah, I wanted to 668 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:41,000 Speaker 1: put something out there that would be good for not 669 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:46,719 Speaker 1: only the general public, but also for therapists UH that 670 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,520 Speaker 1: are not familiar with the topic. And that's one thing 671 00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,400 Speaker 1: we're trying to do in a big way now, is 672 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:58,400 Speaker 1: we're reaching out to more therapists to try to educate 673 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:02,400 Speaker 1: them on this topic. Can then hopefully have them be 674 00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:06,680 Speaker 1: part of the provider network. Of course, you would be 675 00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:16,279 Speaker 1: an absolutely wonderful edition. Um sure. And so I I 676 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:21,600 Speaker 1: think that you know, this thing is not going to stop. 677 00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,520 Speaker 1: It's been going on forever. And my latest theory on 678 00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:30,319 Speaker 1: all of this is the fact, whether we consciously know 679 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:34,520 Speaker 1: it or not, I think all of us are experiencers. 680 00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:40,320 Speaker 1: And UH, I gotta tell you this story that happened 681 00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,640 Speaker 1: one day in the support group. UH A person said 682 00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,560 Speaker 1: to me said, Hey, I've seen you before, Are they 683 00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:51,600 Speaker 1: really or at a UFO conference grocery store. They said, no, no, no, 684 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:55,000 Speaker 1: I saw you on board the craft. Oh really, And 685 00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,000 Speaker 1: I kind of I kind of blew it off, you know, 686 00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:01,120 Speaker 1: I I just it didn't it didn't sit with me, 687 00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,680 Speaker 1: you know very well, but you know, I just I 688 00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,319 Speaker 1: just didn't believe it. But then it was like a 689 00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,120 Speaker 1: year year and a half later, a totally different person, 690 00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,640 Speaker 1: a different support group meeting. I said, I've seen you before. 691 00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,800 Speaker 1: I said the same thing. I said, where the UFO 692 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,440 Speaker 1: conference grocery store. No, no, no, no, you were sitting 693 00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,719 Speaker 1: on this bench naked on board the craft and you 694 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,959 Speaker 1: were freaking out and they told me to go over 695 00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:31,399 Speaker 1: to you to calm you down. So so I at 696 00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:36,560 Speaker 1: that point, at that point, I decided to go get regressed. 697 00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:42,480 Speaker 1: And uh I had three separate regressions, uh, two different people, 698 00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:49,520 Speaker 1: and um, nothing like that came up. However, I had 699 00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:54,799 Speaker 1: numerous past lives, numerous past lives and which was so 700 00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:59,480 Speaker 1: real I was I was crying and a number of them, 701 00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:06,600 Speaker 1: you know, because the the feelings were so tremendously overwhelming. Uh. 702 00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:11,560 Speaker 1: And uh So anyway, it was probably another year later 703 00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,040 Speaker 1: that I told this story to someone and they said, well, 704 00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:18,160 Speaker 1: you know, maybe this person picked up on something that 705 00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,279 Speaker 1: happened in a previous life. Maybe we're abducted in a 706 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,680 Speaker 1: previous life, and that's that's what this person was seeing 707 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:29,400 Speaker 1: in some way, shape or form. Yeah, and you know, 708 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,399 Speaker 1: it's it's funny. I had a group for fifteen years 709 00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,040 Speaker 1: and people would pop in and they would recognize each 710 00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,640 Speaker 1: other and say these things and and uh sometimes they 711 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,680 Speaker 1: would say, you know, yeah, you look familiar too. So 712 00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:46,480 Speaker 1: it's interesting though. You know, it's like I don't understand 713 00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,680 Speaker 1: you know how that always connects because like myself, I 714 00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,680 Speaker 1: was told, oh, you're abducted, you have hybrid children. No, 715 00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,640 Speaker 1: I don't. I've never been abducted. You know, I don't 716 00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,879 Speaker 1: know where this is coming from. But yeah, nascinating. So 717 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,640 Speaker 1: if people are experiencing anything out of the ordinary, how 718 00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:06,399 Speaker 1: can they reach out to you guys and get some help. Well, 719 00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,759 Speaker 1: the easiest thing to do is just to hit our 720 00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:14,200 Speaker 1: website Opus network dot org. Um, they there's a big, 721 00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,040 Speaker 1: big support button on there, and then what we ask 722 00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:20,719 Speaker 1: you is just a few questions, Uh you know your name, 723 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,480 Speaker 1: your email address, uh, and and tell us about your 724 00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,360 Speaker 1: story a bit of it. Uh, you don't have to 725 00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:31,319 Speaker 1: go into great detail. And then that automatically goes out 726 00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:36,480 Speaker 1: to three people in our organization, UM, myself included. And 727 00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,920 Speaker 1: uh you can choose from either being put into the 728 00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:46,400 Speaker 1: support group or uh go going to a triage member 729 00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,440 Speaker 1: of the e S t or having them contact you. 730 00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:57,640 Speaker 1: And then once the triage person talks to the the experiencer, 731 00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,320 Speaker 1: we then can find down if they would like to 732 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:07,160 Speaker 1: have a hypnotherapist, uh you know a name given to them, 733 00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:11,640 Speaker 1: or do they need a mental health practitioner uh that 734 00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:16,360 Speaker 1: they would like to see. So um again it's Opus 735 00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:21,720 Speaker 1: network dot org. Yeah, thank you so much for coming 736 00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:25,400 Speaker 1: on the program and sharing your knowledge and your services. 737 00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:29,400 Speaker 1: Pioneer Les Valles, thank you, thank you so much. I 738 00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:35,000 Speaker 1: really appreciate it. Amazing work by an amazing guy. You know, guys, 739 00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,400 Speaker 1: we have come to the bottom of another fabulous program. 740 00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,440 Speaker 1: I hope you've learned something I sure have. And uh, 741 00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,520 Speaker 1: don't forget if you have experienced something out of the 742 00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:46,960 Speaker 1: word in area you know, a story, or if you 743 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,359 Speaker 1: want to share your research or just comment on things 744 00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,560 Speaker 1: that we're discussing here on the program, go to shadow 745 00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:56,240 Speaker 1: Folks dot com or Heidi Hollis dot com and tell 746 00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,600 Speaker 1: me about it, tell me all the details and also 747 00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:03,360 Speaker 1: check out follow me on social media at one Heidi 748 00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:09,359 Speaker 1: Hollis on Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, anything and everything pretty much. Uh, 749 00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:14,040 Speaker 1: it's out there at one Heidi Hollis and also check 750 00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:18,440 Speaker 1: out my paranormal comic strip at the Outlanders Comics that 751 00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:22,759 Speaker 1: is on Instagram. All right, wow, you know I'm I 752 00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,120 Speaker 1: love doing this show and I really love connecting with 753 00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,120 Speaker 1: you guys out there. Don't forget to catch me here 754 00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,120 Speaker 1: every Friday. You have been listening to Dark Becomes Light 755 00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,680 Speaker 1: with me Heidi Hollis and I Heart Radio and Coast 756 00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:38,640 Speaker 1: to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. We'll see you next time. 757 00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:47,120 Speaker 1: Stay safe, everybody, goodbye. Well, if you like this edition 758 00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,120 Speaker 1: of Dark Becomes Light, wait till you hear the next one. 759 00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,000 Speaker 1: You've been listening to the I Heart Radio and Coast 760 00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,760 Speaker 1: Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network