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Speaker 1: Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: Book Club, book Club, book Club. It's the Cool Zone

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Speaker 2: Media book Club, and that means it's your weekly dose

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Speaker 2: of fiction. And I'm your host, Margaret Kiljoy, and my

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Speaker 2: guest today is Daniel Hi.

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Speaker 1: Daniel him, Margaret, I'm back and I'm happy to be here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. This is part two of a two parter called

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Speaker 2: The Fortunate Death of Jonathan Sandalson. It won't make any

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Speaker 2: sense if you start now, it really won't. Yeah, good

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Speaker 2: luck to you. I challenge you to listen out of

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Speaker 2: order or listen in order, do whatever you want. We're

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Speaker 2: going to start the story now. It's by me, Margaret Kiljoy,

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Speaker 2: called The Fortunate Death of Jonathan Sanderson. It came out

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Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen. Probably wrote it in twenty seventeen, and

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Speaker 2: I said it in the year twenty twenty four, the

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Speaker 2: far and distant future. And I have learned my lesson.

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Speaker 2: I am not putting dates in my dang sci fi

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Speaker 2: stories anymore.

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Speaker 1: Reasonable, just by the way, just go throw that out there,

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Speaker 1: yeah reasonable, Yeah, completely. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Where we last left our hero, she had, let's see,

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Speaker 2: been trolling a man and then another guy killed him,

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Speaker 2: all using AI controlled drones. And she recently came up

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Speaker 2: with a plan about how to solve this by talking

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Speaker 2: to the man who had killed the other guy. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: here we go. Flashing lights lit up my old street,

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Speaker 2: and about a dozen cruisers spilled out over the curb

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Speaker 2: onto our lawn and that of both of our neighbors.

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Speaker 2: Cops and swat gear carried out box after box and

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Speaker 2: conspicuously all the house plants they always rate at like

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Speaker 2: four am, when everyone is home and asleep and all

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Speaker 2: prime to get PTSD. Marcel still somehow managed to look cool,

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Speaker 2: even though he was handcuffed to the front portion in

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Speaker 2: his underwear. One leg was even cocked out in front

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Speaker 2: of him, the other knee was bent. He looked up

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Speaker 2: at the sky like he was stargazing, like there were

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Speaker 2: stars in the city. Even with all his nonchalance, though

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Speaker 2: I could see him shaking a little. I joined the

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Speaker 2: crowd of curious neighbors. They weren't monsters, so they didn't bother,

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Speaker 2: pointing out to any cops that hey, this girl lives

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Speaker 2: there too. I'd missed the worst of the raid, and

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Speaker 2: half an hour later, a plain closed cop uncuffed Marcel,

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Speaker 2: tried and failed to shake his hand, tried and failed

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Speaker 2: to hand him a receipt. The officer dropped it at

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Speaker 2: his feet and left. Cop lights receded into the distance.

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Speaker 2: The crowd faded, and I walked up to my old house.

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Speaker 2: Fucking pigs, Marcel said. He paced the walkway to the

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Speaker 2: street and back. You are right, I asked. Did they

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Speaker 2: not know what plant drugs fucking come from? We had

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Speaker 2: jade plant, spider plant, pitcher plant. All the damn plants

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Speaker 2: we had in our house are so generic. They literally

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Speaker 2: had the word plant in their name, and those assholes

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Speaker 2: still confiscate them they find anything. Hell, no, they didn't

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Speaker 2: find anything. There's nothing in our house to find. He

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Speaker 2: looked up and a sudden, wicked smile caught across his face.

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Speaker 2: Maybe he winked, maybe his eye twitched. Anyone else home,

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Speaker 2: I asked, Nah, for some reason, no one else came

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Speaker 2: home tonight. Another I twitch, Are you mad at who?

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Speaker 2: At me?

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Speaker 1: Fuck?

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Speaker 2: No, Jay. The hierarchy of my anger is that I

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Speaker 2: am most mad at me. Next, I'm mad at the cops.

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Speaker 2: Next I'm mad at I don't know capitalism, And after

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Speaker 2: that I'm mad at people who don't use their turn signals. Then,

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Speaker 2: like at the bottom of the Marcel anger, hierarchy is

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Speaker 2: probably people who pronounce espresso correctly, but with the emphasis

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Speaker 2: on the s to make it big deal about how

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Speaker 2: cultured they are. You're not even on the list. Can

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Speaker 2: I make you some coffee, I asked, They took the

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Speaker 2: coffee maker. What did they think it was drug paraphernel? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I asked, I mean, I guess in that case it's

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Speaker 2: technically true. Why are you mad at yourself? Because I

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Speaker 2: got scared, and ten times out of ten the decisions

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Speaker 2: I make when I'm scared aren't the right to say

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Speaker 2: you do good work. I believe in the work you do. Besides,

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Speaker 2: it was too late to pull out anyway. In for

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Speaker 2: a penny and all that good, I said, because I

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Speaker 2: need your help, I typed something out on my phone,

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Speaker 2: too paranoid to say it aloud. He looked at my phone,

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Speaker 2: looked at me, and started laughing. God damn, we are

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Speaker 2: so fucked. We spent the next thirty minutes scouring the

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Speaker 2: neighborhood for the cat McGonagall had gotten out during the raid.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's funny. That was before No one in the

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Speaker 2: story would have used a JK. Rowling reverence for the cat.

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Speaker 2: Maybe this cat's like fifteen years old.

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Speaker 1: You know, totally Yeah, twenty seventeen, Margaret is totally safe.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Marcel's canceled. I mean this cat. We found her

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Speaker 2: under a broken down RV three blocks away. When Marcel

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Speaker 2: got her into his arms, his veneer of cool collapsed

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Speaker 2: completely and he just smiled and cried. Jay. Versation is secure,

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Speaker 2: Dale Carter. Yes, Jay, You're allowed to lie to me though,

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Speaker 2: but it's illegal for me to lie to you. Dale Carter.

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Speaker 2: It is illegal for you to lie to me.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 2: I sat on my sleeping couch in the ransacked living

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Speaker 2: room with Marcel sitting next to me looking over my

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Speaker 2: shoulder as I texted with the fet who'd harassed me.

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Speaker 2: We were certain the room was bugged, so we were quiet. Jay.

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Speaker 2: I'm just concerned what will happen to me? You know,

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Speaker 2: if this gets out that I talk to you, Dale Carter,

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Speaker 2: your cooperation can be confidential, and it's possible that, depending

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Speaker 2: on the quality of the information you provide, we can

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Speaker 2: get you into protective custody. Jay, I know who Box

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Speaker 2: killed Jonathan Sandalson, Dale Carter. We already have a substantial

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Speaker 2: case built. Your testimony would be remarkably useful if the

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Speaker 2: case goes to trial. Jay, any immunity either way, but

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Speaker 2: I'd much rather provide information than testify for safety's sake,

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Speaker 2: Dale Carter, are you that afraid of Marcel? Next to me?

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Speaker 2: Marcell put his hand over his mouth, stifling laughter. All

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Speaker 2: this time, I'd assumed the he the Feds had talked

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Speaker 2: about was a ruse to get me to let down

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Speaker 2: my guard. Turns out they really were that stupid Jay.

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Speaker 2: Marcell is innocent, Dale Carter. That is unlikely, Jay, give

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Speaker 2: me immunity from prosecution for anything related to sandalson. I

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Speaker 2: can give you screen caps and docks everything you need

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Speaker 2: to proxecute the docs killer. I'm scared. I just want

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Speaker 2: to leave all this behind me, Dale Carter done. Marcel

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Speaker 2: and I met eyes. Neither of us believed the agent.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't even sure he had the power to grant

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Speaker 2: me immunity. I was pretty sure that was a judge's job.

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Speaker 2: It didn't matter, Jay. Your man is Nicholas Sanchez see

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Speaker 2: the attached file. He's also responsible for fourteen other deaths.

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Speaker 2: I hacked him after the attack. These are the contents

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Speaker 2: of his phone, laptop, and three different cloud accounts, Dale Carter,

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Speaker 2: I will review these documents and get back and Jay

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Speaker 2: Jay question Mark Dale Carter. It's complicated to say thank

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Speaker 2: you in a case like this. Thank you, It's probably

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Speaker 2: for the best if you stay inside until we have

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Speaker 2: someone in custody. It's probably for the best if you

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Speaker 2: avoid Marcel. It's also probably for the best that you

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Speaker 2: stay somewhere we can reach you. That was a threat.

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Speaker 2: He knew it. I knew it. He knew that I

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Speaker 2: knew it. Whatever, my docs courtesy of Nicholas should clear Marcel,

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Speaker 2: no problem. I wasn't holding my breath for immunity from

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Speaker 2: a box trolling prosecution. But still I was in a

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Speaker 2: lot better of a situation, assuming we didn't get caught

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Speaker 2: what we were planning Next, Marcel started tapping on his phone,

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Speaker 2: so I looked down at Mine, Maximus. If they're on

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Speaker 2: my tick, we're gonna have to be twice as careful.

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Speaker 2: You have boxes. We can use Nukegirl zero one. There

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Speaker 2: is no face palm emoji big enough to answer that.

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Speaker 2: What else you can use when you're committing in credit

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Speaker 2: high level crimes is the services and goods provided by

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Speaker 2: all of our sponsors. We are sponsored by Big Crime, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Big crime is a key sponsor. They're emailing us a

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Speaker 1: lot lately saying we need to sponsor you, but also

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Speaker 1: don't say anything.

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Speaker 2: Don't leave town.

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Speaker 1: Don't leave town there, Yeah, to stay where we can read.

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Speaker 2: U said, big crime, and here's their ads and we're back.

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Speaker 2: The FEDS would be on the lookout for any box

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Speaker 2: that flew anything loud, anything that drew attention to itself

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Speaker 2: in any way, which was fine. Only twenty four hours before,

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Speaker 2: I'd been on this couch watching through the camera of

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Speaker 2: a box on a nice widescreen TV. Now, same couch,

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Speaker 2: but I hadn't slept a wink. I'd barely eaten. The

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Speaker 2: Feds had stolen the TV, and I was inside a

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Speaker 2: network of smart mailboxes and La Joya mail boxes don't

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Speaker 2: have cameras federal regulation and response to that widespread hack

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one. They just have sensors. Fuck tons

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Speaker 2: of sensors, humidity sensors, weight sensors, radar, GPS, even a

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Speaker 2: damn accelerometer that so it can modulate its padding on

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Speaker 2: the off chance that some teenager or a baseball bat

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Speaker 2: decides to take a swing at it. While you've got

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Speaker 2: something valuable inside a million sensors, but terrible security. Still,

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Speaker 2: my part of the job was simple. I had to

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Speaker 2: buy time. Marcelle's part was more complicated. Nicholas's part, well,

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Speaker 2: that was the part that was actually dangerous. Cops on

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Speaker 2: AI assist drive, drive predictably and route to a crime.

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Speaker 2: One patrol car goes fast in the front, blasting the

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Speaker 2: its way. It doesn't usually go straight to the crime

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Speaker 2: because US criminals can read the signal clear as day

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Speaker 2: and GTFO is needed, so the cop car only clears

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Speaker 2: the way in broad strokes. Cops on silent come in

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Speaker 2: behind and jostle through traffic. They speed like fuck through straightaways,

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Speaker 2: can track their destination no problem, So yeah, tap into

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Speaker 2: the mailboxes and you know where the cops are going.

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Speaker 2: I set my phone on alert and leaned back against

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Speaker 2: marcel and waited and fell asleep. In my dreams, I

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Speaker 2: was sandalson and I was running from myself, terrified of

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Speaker 2: every box and car and machine. I ran for the country,

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Speaker 2: but even the trees were boxes, and they were watching

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Speaker 2: go to work, Go to work, Go to work. My

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Speaker 2: phone was saying that shit over and over again. It's

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Speaker 2: a terrible alarm. That day, at least it wasn't true.

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Speaker 2: But I sure wasn't going to program my phone to

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Speaker 2: say time, do crime time, do crime time, do crime.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people were going to live free because

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Speaker 2: Sandalsen was dead. My dream hadn't been my moral compass

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Speaker 2: trying to exert itself. It had been my brain processing anxieties.

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Speaker 2: Helping Nicholas meant helping myself, meant helping Marcel meant helping

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Speaker 2: thousands of people I'd never even meet. I needed to

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Speaker 2: believe that, and not just so that I could sleep

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Speaker 2: at night. I needed to believe that I was doing

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Speaker 2: the right thing because I was, I promise, I hope.

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Speaker 2: A thousand miles away. Nicholas must have started his car

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Speaker 2: because my tablet and Marcel's came alive with his dashcam view.

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Speaker 2: We both put on headphones and turned on black metal,

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Speaker 2: the closest music to white noise. Let's be honest, real

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Speaker 2: loud in the house to cover anything we might hear

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Speaker 2: through our headphones, Rock and roll. Nicholas said his voice

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Speaker 2: had a whistle in it. There was that shivering again

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Speaker 2: running down my spine. If this went right, if this

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Speaker 2: went wrong, you know, Jay Nicholas said, I've been thinking

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Speaker 2: about what you said about killing. You've got a point,

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Speaker 2: but pacifism means standing in the safe shade cast by

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Speaker 2: the violent. I couldn't respond, of course, not without being overheard.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what I would have said if I could.

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Speaker 2: I tapped into a public traffic feed nearby, got myself

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Speaker 2: was a pleasure working with you. Naseramos, Naseramos Mill same

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Speaker 2: to you. Mcgonagall's kind of a shitty cat. I know

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Speaker 2: What is your directive, Mugano Bot, to render Ice incapable

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