WEBVTT - The Full Dame Drama Story

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<v Speaker 1>Break was breaking down all the biggest NBA storylines.

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<v Speaker 2>You're tuned in.

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<v Speaker 3>So the heat Check.

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<v Speaker 2>The Heat Check was just a craky the best podcast

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<v Speaker 2>covering all the trauma around the association. All right, moving on,

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna be dealing with the aftermath of the Dame

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<v Speaker 2>Willer trade for years to come.

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<v Speaker 3>A year.

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<v Speaker 2>The amount of impact this had on the full league

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<v Speaker 2>is wild. We can't even see it yet, but in

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<v Speaker 2>the immediate aftermath, we've got bad blood people. We have

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<v Speaker 2>got a straight up cold war in the media between Dame.

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<v Speaker 1>And the Blazers.

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<v Speaker 3>It was no love loss.

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<v Speaker 2>When Dame put out his letter to Portland and Joe

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<v Speaker 2>Cronin was not in it, it was not.

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<v Speaker 1>A thank you to Joe.

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<v Speaker 2>Because there have been two detailed breakdowns of the trade,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were published within twenty four hours of each other.

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<v Speaker 2>The first one was Chris Haynes that include did a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of details directly from Dame.

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<v Speaker 3>And his agent Aaron Goodwin.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we got another one from woj which could

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<v Speaker 2>have been written with full access to Joe Cronin's moleskin

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<v Speaker 2>notebook and colored markers. And I'm dead ass serious because

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<v Speaker 2>that was in the story. Two sides of the same

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<v Speaker 2>story how the Dame trade happened, painting completely different narratives.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's start with what.

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Haynes dropped and Dame story.

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Haynes inside the messy divorce between Dame Lillard and

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<v Speaker 2>the Portland Trailblazers.

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<v Speaker 1>Woo, that headline is just right there.

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<v Speaker 2>You'd know what's happening right dropped on Bleacher Report Friday night,

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<v Speaker 2>and it does Thursday night, Thursday night, and it does

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<v Speaker 2>nothing to try and hide how up set Dame was

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<v Speaker 2>by all.

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<v Speaker 1>This and how it went down. And as a.

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<v Speaker 3>Quick aside, I love Haynes, good dude.

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<v Speaker 2>He is as close to Dame as any NBA reporter

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<v Speaker 2>has ever been to a superstar player since the days

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<v Speaker 2>of like Ahmad Rashad and Michael Jordan. So you know

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<v Speaker 2>that this tea is directly from Dame. Here are the

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<v Speaker 2>cliff notes of the Haynes story. One Dame was blindsided

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<v Speaker 2>by the trade Milwaukee. He was on the phone with

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<v Speaker 2>Haynes when the news dropped and all he could all

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<v Speaker 2>he could say was I gotta wrap my mind around this,

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<v Speaker 2>over and over and over again.

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<v Speaker 3>Since July.

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<v Speaker 2>Another thing in the piece, the Blazers refused to talk

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<v Speaker 2>with the Miami Heat at all, which is contrary to

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<v Speaker 2>many media reports. They hadn't spoken since summer league. No

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<v Speaker 2>wonder why Barry Jackson is pissed because people were lying

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<v Speaker 2>all summer. They picked up the phone, asked for BAM.

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<v Speaker 2>When Bam was not available, they said, thank you, good night,

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<v Speaker 2>We're moving on. Next up Goodwin Aaron Goodwin, Dame's agent,

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<v Speaker 2>pressured the Blazers to trade Dame to Miami anyway and.

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<v Speaker 1>Did everything that he could to make it happen.

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<v Speaker 3>He admits to this and thinks that that was the

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<v Speaker 3>right move.

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<v Speaker 2>For approximately two weeks, because of all this Cold War

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<v Speaker 2>status causing text to the Blazers from Damon, Goodwin went unanswered,

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<v Speaker 2>completely ghosted them. Dame and his team let leak the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that Dame was basically asked to sit the final

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<v Speaker 2>ten games of the season, which is just an absolute

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<v Speaker 2>no no.

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<v Speaker 3>They're just literally trying to get the Blazers fined for tanking.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody pick up the phone and snitch on Adam Silver

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<v Speaker 2>Snitch snitch anyway. Dame also said if he couldn't go

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<v Speaker 2>to Miami, so he reports the camp. Dame or reports

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<v Speaker 2>back to the facility starts training, and he's like, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>if you can't trade me to Miami, then I want

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<v Speaker 2>to rescind my trade request. What wasn't in the Ayin's

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<v Speaker 2>piece was that he really didn't want to rescind his

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<v Speaker 2>trade request. He mostly just wanted to give him more

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<v Speaker 2>time to get the money Miami deal done.

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<v Speaker 3>And Joe said, I don't know about.

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<v Speaker 1>That, playboy.

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<v Speaker 2>No, the time for the trade request being rescinded is over.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no going back. And Dame apparently was heartsick about this. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Cronin apparently was not talking to Dame when he

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<v Speaker 2>went back to the facility and started getting up shots

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<v Speaker 2>with the guys.

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<v Speaker 3>Everybody was excited.

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<v Speaker 1>To see Dame. Joe Cronan would not speak to him.

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<v Speaker 3>Dame's very upset about that. Goodwin told Dame privately.

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<v Speaker 2>On September seventeenth, Hey, we need to start looking into

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<v Speaker 2>some other teams. It doesn't look like Miami's avenue. Even

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<v Speaker 2>though he was amping up the public pressure saying that

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<v Speaker 2>Dame will not report anywhere but Miami. If Dame goes anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>he will ask for a trade somewhere else.

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<v Speaker 3>Only after the league intervened.

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<v Speaker 2>According to Goodwin did Cronan begin communicating again. They had

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<v Speaker 2>to have a group call to be like, hey, it's

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<v Speaker 2>get spicy between you two.

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<v Speaker 3>You guys need to figure it out.

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<v Speaker 2>And Lollard, as a result of all of this, has

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<v Speaker 2>a very sour taste in his mouth about how it

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<v Speaker 2>all went down.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot to unpack here, but the bottom line is

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<v Speaker 3>that the Miami Heat.

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<v Speaker 2>Were never an option for Dame. It just never was

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<v Speaker 2>gonna happen. And Aaron Goodwin worked over time to create

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<v Speaker 2>a miss and disinformation campaign distributed by the Heat in

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<v Speaker 2>particular as well as select media members to try and

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<v Speaker 2>force Portland to do something that they were never going

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<v Speaker 2>to do. Heat fans, I told you this, that deal

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<v Speaker 2>with garbage. Portland was never going to accept it. Tyler

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<v Speaker 2>hero is not enough with a couple of picks and

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of young players for Dame. Lollard, But you

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<v Speaker 2>came for me. You came for me, and the logic

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<v Speaker 2>was sound. And now where you at, now, where you at?

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<v Speaker 3>Now? Where you at now? Sad? That's where you are.

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<v Speaker 2>That's where you are probably enjoying a beach somewhere because

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<v Speaker 2>it's nice there, probably not paying steak tags.

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<v Speaker 3>I Digress twenty four hours.

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<v Speaker 2>Though after Haines dropped the article, the Blazers front office

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<v Speaker 2>responded in the form of booh.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the bomb. This is the sound of the

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<v Speaker 1>Wojes bomb.

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't see, we don't see. Adrian war Janowski drop articles

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<v Speaker 2>full length Ramona Shelbourne style articles very often, but when

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<v Speaker 2>he does, when he does, they are spicy, and this

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<v Speaker 2>one was spicy. His story was inside the Damian Lillard trade,

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<v Speaker 2>how the Bucks, Blazers and Sons got to the finish line,

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<v Speaker 2>very detailed look into how the Blazers and Bucks and

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<v Speaker 2>Son's perspective was.

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<v Speaker 3>How it came to become a reality. Here are the

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<v Speaker 3>bullet points.

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<v Speaker 1>First up, the Bucks were.

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<v Speaker 2>In on the trade immediately after Damian Lillard requested out.

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<v Speaker 3>That's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember, it was like, Oh, nobody else wants this deal

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<v Speaker 2>to happen, but Miami, Miami's the only offer.

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<v Speaker 3>Year of gonna get no no.

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<v Speaker 2>John Horse jam of the Bucks immediately called Joe Cronin

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<v Speaker 2>and was like, hey, I got a deal. He told

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<v Speaker 2>Cronan the day Dame demanded a trade that he was

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<v Speaker 2>very interested.

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<v Speaker 1>But made Cronin swear to not leak.

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<v Speaker 2>Anything to anyone, especially to use Drew Holiday to raise

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<v Speaker 2>the price with other teams. Hey don't use me as

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<v Speaker 2>a stocking horse, bitch, or I'm fucking out.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, That's basically what it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Because from John Horse's perspective, if I get Janis upset

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<v Speaker 2>with me when he's already sprinkling in.

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<v Speaker 3>Little tea, leaves that he might leave the team.

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<v Speaker 2>And Drew Holliday, who's like his brother, gets wind that

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<v Speaker 2>he was in the trade talk and then we don't

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<v Speaker 2>trade him.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, we are fucked.

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<v Speaker 2>Horse made it known if the news got out that

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<v Speaker 2>the Bucks would bail immediately, which is why.

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<v Speaker 3>Speaking of which, John Horse.

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<v Speaker 2>Did not inform Jannis at all of the trade d

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<v Speaker 2>tales to get his approval, did it even floated his

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<v Speaker 2>way until it was finished, because he did not want

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<v Speaker 2>to upset Giannis over Drew being traded. That is a

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<v Speaker 2>big balls GM, big boy move. Cronan another detail from

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<v Speaker 2>the piece. Cronan was determined from the beginning to get

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<v Speaker 2>the best deal for Portland, not Dame, but still wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to do right by Dame and died, and the secrecy

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<v Speaker 2>of the deal meant that Cronan not only could not

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<v Speaker 2>trust anyone, especially Dame and his agent, who he knew

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<v Speaker 2>was going to try to sour the deal. He wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>going to tell, hey, Dame, we've got a potential deal

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<v Speaker 2>for you to go to Milwaukee, because by that point

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<v Speaker 2>you start doing a little mass school and you know

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<v Speaker 2>that Drew Holidays in the deal, and then you start

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<v Speaker 2>floating that out and now you're fucked, right, So they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't tell Dame or Dame's agent because they knew they

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<v Speaker 2>were going to try to blow the deal up. They

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<v Speaker 2>even had the framework of the deal in place and

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't tell Phoenix who the young player they were getting

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<v Speaker 2>from the other team was because they didn't want them

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<v Speaker 2>to blow up the deal either. They gave him the

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<v Speaker 2>salary of the player and the type of player he was,

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<v Speaker 2>and they narrowed it down to like Grayson Allen, Victor Oladipo,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think one more So, Phoenix had to trust

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Cronin that he wasn't gonna screw him, and guess

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<v Speaker 2>what he didn't, because when he told them, Hey, the

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<v Speaker 2>deal's done and the player getting is Grace Allen, they.

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<v Speaker 3>Were like absolutely done.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember, rumors were that Phoenix wanted to trade Jay Crowder

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<v Speaker 2>to Milwaukee for Grayson Allen and Milwaukee wouldn't do it.

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<v Speaker 2>And the cutest little piece of reporting was that Cronan

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<v Speaker 2>that Adrian Originowski found.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know why this even came out, but it didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought it was worth mentioning.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that Cronan wouldn't even write down any potential offers,

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<v Speaker 2>any whiteboard, anything that anyone could see passing by. So

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<v Speaker 2>he wrote down all of this stuff in his life

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<v Speaker 2>little moleskin notebook with a blue marker, So now the

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<v Speaker 2>Drew trade was in green marker.

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<v Speaker 1>The whole thing's wild.

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<v Speaker 2>The amount of access to the Asian Wojanowski had to

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Cronin.

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<v Speaker 3>Kind of.

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<v Speaker 2>Substantiates what people in Miami were saying about woj being

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<v Speaker 2>someone on the inside of the Blazers camp kind of

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<v Speaker 2>doing their bidding. But at the same time, Barry Jackson

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<v Speaker 2>and Aaron Finchers were doing Miami's bidding, so I guess

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<v Speaker 2>it balances out. The bottom line, though, is that the

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<v Speaker 2>Bucks were the best option for Dame from the beginning,

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<v Speaker 2>but if a peep got out, the deal was off,

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<v Speaker 2>which makes all the sense in the world. And who

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<v Speaker 2>knows what Dominoes would have fallen because of a busted

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<v Speaker 2>last minute trade. Right, and guess what now we know

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Cronin it's jover trader. Joe can keep a secret

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<v Speaker 2>in the world of NBA front offices. That's gonna go

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<v Speaker 2>a long way. Paging Sam Presty, Paging Sam Presty. Milwaukee

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<v Speaker 2>Bucks and veiled Dame. On Saturday, they had a big

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<v Speaker 2>like Dame is a rye in Milwaukee, to which people

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<v Speaker 2>were there apparently said Dame arrived late by three hours.

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<v Speaker 3>He carried his twins in arm, one in each arm.

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<v Speaker 3>He couldn't glad hand on the way in, really couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>you know?

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<v Speaker 2>Elbow, elbow, wrist, wrist to the crowd, and people were

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<v Speaker 2>making a massive deal out of it.

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<v Speaker 1>They said, Oh, Dame's not exactly happy.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, not at the same level as DeAndre Ayton when

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<v Speaker 2>he walked into the team's facility. Some people are already

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<v Speaker 2>wondering whether he'll ever be happy in Milwaukee. A lot

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<v Speaker 2>of the conspiracies floating out and about about Damian Lillard

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<v Speaker 2>and his arrival to Milwaukee.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me just tell you from my perspective, though, did

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<v Speaker 1>not love seeing him in a Milwaukee hoodie.

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<v Speaker 3>Did not love seeing a Damian Lillard jersey in Milwaukee.

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<v Speaker 3>Did not like it.

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<v Speaker 1>Did not like it. It made me sick.

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<v Speaker 2>But what's not to be happy about, though, Dame, You

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<v Speaker 2>thought you were going to a place with beautiful scenery,

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<v Speaker 2>sunny and hot weather year round.

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<v Speaker 1>You got eleven it's popping.

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<v Speaker 3>You got a robust beach and nightlife.

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<v Speaker 2>No state taxes, and instead you are still going to

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<v Speaker 2>a contender, but you're going to a place where the

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<v Speaker 2>average temperature in January is like sixteen degrees. The number

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<v Speaker 2>one dance club in the city probably charges a five

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<v Speaker 2>dollars cover fee.

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<v Speaker 1>The state bird is the Mosquito.

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<v Speaker 2>And instead of batties on the beach, you got fatties

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<v Speaker 2>in triple down fat coats. I wasn't supposed to say that,

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<v Speaker 2>wait I did, of course, Dame is.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course he's salty. You know what fixes that up?

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<v Speaker 1>Fixes it right up?

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<v Speaker 3>Money and winning.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't even probably have to go outside.

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<v Speaker 2>You can go from car to car, garage to garage,

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<v Speaker 2>you can go from facility to condo. Because he's not

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<v Speaker 2>gonna live in a house. Milwaukee fans think that Damian

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<v Speaker 2>Lillard's moving to Milwaukee.

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<v Speaker 3>He's not.

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<v Speaker 2>But he wasn't able to do any of that enough

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<v Speaker 2>winning to keep himself happy.

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<v Speaker 3>And he's gonna do all a hell of a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of that in Milwaukee.

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<v Speaker 2>And we know Dame's gonna live in Portland during the summer,

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<v Speaker 2>where it's beautiful and amazing and never rains and it's

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<v Speaker 2>sunny all the time. But it personally breaks my heart

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<v Speaker 2>to know that Dame wanted to come back to Portland

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<v Speaker 2>when it became obvious Miami didn't have any chance to

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<v Speaker 2>get him. But it must have broken Joe Cornin's heart

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<v Speaker 2>to tell him, no, I'm sorry, you can't fly home, baby.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a rap for you. Fly away, baby, bird, fly away.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm crying in the club. I did cry when I

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<v Speaker 3>read my Damian Luller's letter to Portland.

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<v Speaker 2>Cried on the air. Yeah, I did, he said, Hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>I can. I'm about to cry again. Hopefully I can

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<v Speaker 2>return back to a Blazer's uniform.

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<v Speaker 3>And by then you'll forgive me for breaking your heart.

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<v Speaker 1>As I did my own. Woo, my goodness.

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<v Speaker 2>If you don't think this hurt Joe, you don't know

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<v Speaker 2>anything about him. He's been working with the Blazers since

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and eight. He was close to Dame before this,

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<v Speaker 2>He's really worked hard to do right by Dame, put

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<v Speaker 2>the team's interest first, and he succeeded well. End this

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<v Speaker 2>episode and hopefully never have to talk about this again

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<v Speaker 2>with Dames goodbye. In a very long note, Dame thanked

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<v Speaker 2>a huge list of people from Jody Allen on down,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, not Joe Cronin, and he ended it with

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<v Speaker 2>this soliloquy. I think I mentioned it just a second ago.

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<v Speaker 2>As this chapter of my life ends, I look back

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<v Speaker 2>and realize how special it was. Even in this moment,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel sad we never accomplished what I so badly

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to. I don't cry much, but I know my

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<v Speaker 2>love for you is real, because I'm for sure dropping

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<v Speaker 2>some tears right now. Rip City, you know my heart

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<v Speaker 2>and where I stand because I've stood there for over

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<v Speaker 2>a decade.

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<v Speaker 1>So to have to move off my square hurts my heart.

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<v Speaker 2>As my guy Chief says, one man, don't stop, no show,

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<v Speaker 2>and the show in Rip City must go on without me.

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<v Speaker 2>I do believe a day will come where I put

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<v Speaker 2>on a Blazer's uniform again, and hopefully by then I'll

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<v Speaker 2>be forgiven for breaking your hearts along with.

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<v Speaker 3>My own I'm not crying. You're crying, Damn man.

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<v Speaker 2>Why do you have to do us like that? Don't

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<v Speaker 2>even write that letter. Just go be the villain, Just

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<v Speaker 2>go moving on. You've heard my take on the dame situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Now get ready for.

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<v Speaker 3>The Miami point of view.

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<v Speaker 2>Miami resident and friend of the show, Jonathan Zaslow of

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<v Speaker 2>the Zaslow two point zero podcast is a dedicated heat fan.

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<v Speaker 2>Damn damn man got me crying my damn podcast, and

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<v Speaker 2>he joined me and the crew on bet MG in

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<v Speaker 2>the Night to let me know how Miami reacted to

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<v Speaker 2>the Dame. To Miami News, I was joined by my

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<v Speaker 2>co host Ryan Horvaugh and Nick Ashew. As always, let's

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<v Speaker 2>get right into it.