1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Now from our nation's capital. This is Bloomberg Sound on, 2 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 1: Don't give in, don't give out, don't give up. This 3 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: is now the fifth time my name has been on 4 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: the ballot in less than two years for the same 5 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: dog on dog I want to get to the reason 6 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 1: I'm here and the reason you're gonna vote for me, 7 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: because I'm gonna be your champion. Floomberg sound on Politics, 8 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: Policy and Perspective from DC's top Names. Thousands of people 9 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: facing off with hundreds of police. The White House supports 10 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 1: the right of peaceful Purgas Bloomberg Sound On with Joe 11 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 1: Matthew on Bloomberg Radio, the Lame Duck starts to quack. 12 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to the fastest hour in politics as lawmakers return 13 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: to Washington with their to do lists, But will anything 14 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: get done? We're joined this Monday after Thanksgiving by Greg Valier, 15 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: the chief policy strategist at a g F Investment. Big 16 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: questions about government funding as we move into the new year. Later, 17 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 1: thousands of protesters take to the streets across China. Will 18 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: discuss the political fallout and what it will mean for 19 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: China's COVID zero policy with Craig Singleton. The Foundation of democracies. 20 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: Our signature panelists here Bloomberg Politics contributors Rick Davis and 21 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: Genie Chanzano with analysis on our top stories, including the 22 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: Senate runoff in Georgia and Donald Trump's dinner date with 23 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 1: a white supremacist. We got a lot to catch up 24 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: on after the weekend, lawmakers coming back into town after 25 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: the long Thanksgiving weekend, and I hope you had one 26 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: with some important business to handle here. The lame Duck 27 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: gets real starting now. And while everyone seems to have 28 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: a list, it's funny right on both sides, a list 29 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 1: of things likely not to happen. Let's start by circling 30 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: December sixteen on our calendars. That's when government funding runs out, right, 31 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: And that's where we start with Greg Valier, a g 32 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: F Investments chief US policy strategist. It's great to have you, Craig. Greg. 33 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: I hope you had a great holiday, and I'm wondering 34 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: how this is going to work out here in a 35 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: couple of weeks, if we're talking about a potential government shutdown, 36 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: or if it's the opportunity for a deal. Well, first 37 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,519 Speaker 1: of all, great to be with you, and I would 38 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 1: say the next several weeks are going to be crazy, 39 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 1: very hard to predict, maybe some uncertainty for the markets. 40 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 1: I'd say the first thing that we're going to have 41 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 1: to focus on is a railroad strike. It's possible by 42 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 1: the end of next week some of the union's deadlines 43 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: will be hit. So before we get into a budget 44 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: showed out and all this other stuff, they have to 45 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,839 Speaker 1: find some way to finesse a railroad strike and then 46 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: we get into all the big spending stories. Assuming they 47 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 1: can avert this thing, Does Marty Walsh have one more 48 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: in them? When you talk about, you know, the issues 49 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: at hand that these rail workers are going through. We 50 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: discussed it quite a bit on the show last week. 51 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: This is not just as easy as throwing in, you know, 52 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: another day off or something. It looks like absolutely it's 53 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: over not money, but it's over time off, sickly things 54 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: like that that has the unions very upset. Earlier in September, 55 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: Joe Biden got involved. I don't think he's involved that 56 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: much this time, so it'll be a cliffhanger. Well seen 57 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: as a win then when we had a tentative deal, 58 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: So look, he could certainly make that happen again, assuming 59 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 1: that we don't have a rail strike on our hands. 60 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: Which I realized as a game changer is government funding. 61 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: A clean cr kicked into the next Congress. Everyone seems 62 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: to be ready to pile on of this thing, but 63 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 1: very few of the ideas seem realistic. Yeah, you hear that, 64 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: But I think they will make a good faith effort. 65 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything magical about December sixteenth. I 66 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: think there'll be still another so called continuing resolution that 67 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: could get us right up to Christmas Eve. It's happened before, 68 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: and it could be Christmas Eve before we get a deal. 69 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: I think there will be big parts of this bill 70 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: that will have to be deferred until early twenty three. 71 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: That includes defense spending here, right, Lloyd Austin is upset 72 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: about the idea of a continuing resolution beyond you know, 73 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: this quick thing. But if this goes in well in 74 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: the next year, with the war in Ukraine underway, our 75 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: own needs here in the United States to replenish our stockpiles. 76 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: We can't just keep you know, printing the same budget. Right, 77 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: you're right, And and the I think the biggest issue 78 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: of all, as you say, is Ukraine. Uh, there are 79 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: growing numbers of Republicans who are lukewarm at best of 80 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: spending another thirty seven billion dollars that the White House 81 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: wants to spend on Ukraine, so that could easily get 82 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: punted into next year, along with several other issues, including 83 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: as you say, the defense budget. I mean, the defense 84 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: companies will get their money, but they won't get it 85 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: right away. Well, there's the point of leadership here as well. 86 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: It came up on all the Sunday shows. I don't 87 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: know if this is a worthwhile conversation because there really 88 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 1: isn't anyone to run against Kevin McCarthy. But listen to 89 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: Congressman Mike McColl he'sn't in the Republican leadership here, will 90 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 1: will be as part of the new majority on ABC 91 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: this week. What's the alternative here? You know, Kevin has 92 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: proven to be the leader of the Republican House, and 93 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: I do think he will get the votes to eighteen 94 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: on January three. There's quite a bit that happens between 95 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: now and then, thought, what does it look like? What 96 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: kind of a deal does he need to cut with 97 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: the Matt Gates, ETCeteras of the world. Well, Joe, I 98 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: hopefully you know, I try to be in the middle 99 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: of the road. I'm not an I D logue, but 100 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Kevin McCarthy is not a real leader if 101 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: he doesn't speak out about Donald Trump having a meal 102 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: with a Holocaust denying racist, anti semi and if we 103 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: can't see Kevin McCarthy stand up on that one, I 104 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 1: think he loses a lot of credibility. How about that 105 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: this is the dinner with the Fuentes, right, Nick Fuentes 106 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 1: and Kanye. Donald Trump claims at least he didn't know 107 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: who Kanye had brought with him to dinner. You don't 108 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 1: believe that, Well, is either ignorance or just a total 109 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 1: lack of any kind of oversight. I mean, the former 110 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 1: president has to have his screen Maybe he wasn't screened, 111 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: but at the least there has to be an apology. 112 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: And whether it's McCarthy or Trump himself, there has been 113 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: no expression of regret over what they did. Well, it's 114 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: been noted that a lot of Republican senators as well 115 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 1: have been pretty silent about the whole thing. Uh. You know, 116 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: this came up on Meet the Press with Representative James Comber, 117 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: which will have more about later in what you know? 118 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: What was his line? He doesn't have very good taste 119 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 1: or a very good judgment and dinner guests, you might 120 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: need to say a little more than that is your point. Absolutely, 121 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: Let's see how strong a leader Kevin McCarthy really is. Well, 122 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: So do you think he gets it to eighteen or 123 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: do you think this will determine that? I think by 124 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 1: default he probably does, because there's no there's no one 125 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: else who would be a logical house speaker right now. 126 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: But he's he's going to be on thin ice all 127 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: through the spring. And there are so many big issues, 128 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: as we talked about earlier, a real move against spending, uh, 129 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: an attempt to maybe look at such security and trim 130 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: that a little bit. I mean, there's some big, big issues, 131 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: and uh, I don't see anybody, frankly, who's going to 132 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: take to take the reins. Interesting. Uh. The idea of 133 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: an assault weapons ban was banded about quite a bit 134 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: on the Sunday morning talk shows, and it has been 135 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: quite a bit lately because the President has been promising 136 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: saying once I did it once before, I'm going to 137 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: do it again in this new Congress. We're going to 138 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: reinstate the assault weapons ban. But you know, when you're 139 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: hearing from Senator Chris Murphy that there's still are not 140 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: sixty votes for such a thing. He talked about this 141 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: on CNN, I believe, and he actually had a lot 142 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: to say about this particular issue, suggesting that states are 143 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: not enforcing the laws that are already on the books. 144 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: Here's what he said. I think we have to have 145 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: a conversation about whether we can continue to fund uh 146 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: law enforcement in states where they are refusing to implement 147 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: these gun laws. I'll talk to my colleagues about what 148 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: our approach should be this problem. But six of counties 149 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: in this country are refusing to implement the nation's gun laws. 150 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: We've got to do something about that. And he's suggesting 151 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: limiting or somehow changing funding for these police departments that 152 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: are not enforcing laws on the books. Greg Val, you're 153 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: coming off of the defund the police movement, the confusion 154 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: that that LEDs to in the case of many Democrats 155 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: who actually didn't believe that, including the president, is this 156 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: the direction we're really going in here with an incoming 157 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: Republican majority in the House. I'd say two things very quickly. Joe. 158 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: Number one, it's unlikely will get anything, but Joe Biden 159 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: has had a pretty good stretch the last eight or 160 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: nine months. He's gotten a lot done. You can't totally 161 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: rule him out and getting something on this, you know. 162 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: The other thing I'd say is that this could be 163 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: the lame duck before you go on though, Greg, is 164 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: that in the lame duck session, perhaps I don't think 165 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 1: you'll get it. I think it's it's too complicated to 166 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: get right before Christmas. But I think he's going to 167 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: go after it later in the winter. And the other 168 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: point Joe I'd make is I think this is going 169 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: to become more of a state and local issue. I 170 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: think a lot of states will throw up their hands 171 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: and say, we're not going to get a federal bill, 172 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: so we're going to move on our own. Uh. I 173 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: mentioned Representative James Coomer. He was asked about this unmeat 174 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: the press and was shown statistics UH from Chuck Todd 175 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: that debunks this claim that states that have stricter gun 176 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:26,719 Speaker 1: laws have more gun deaths UH, and his reaction was fascinated. 177 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: Listen to James Coomer, if you have more gun laws 178 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: on the books as a state, you have fewer gun 179 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: related crimes, gun related deaths. That has been proven statistically well. 180 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: In places like rural America, where just about every other 181 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: household uh exercises their Second Amendment rights, there aren't a 182 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: lot of crimes in these areas, And I think one 183 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:55,559 Speaker 1: reason is because potential criminals know that these people are 184 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: exercising their Second Amendment rights, suggesting that rural America is 185 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: almost its own state, uh, greg and one that you 186 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 1: know clearly the the people of Washington don't know about 187 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: where where is this argument right now? It's it's difficult 188 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: to tell who's being serious, who's having a serious conversation 189 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: when you hear answers like that in the face of data. Yeah, 190 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: I mean, it's actually inaccurate to to make the assertion 191 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 1: that we just heard. But it's going to be awfully 192 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: hard to get done. I mean, one of the things 193 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: that Democrats are going to regret for decades maybe is 194 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: the fact that they got stuck with a label of 195 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: defund the police. I understand that Biden didn't believe in it, 196 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 1: and a lot of Democrats didn't, but they can't shake 197 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: the label. And because of that, it's going to be 198 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: really hard to get a bill done. So when we 199 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: step back and look at this time period, you see 200 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: likely as cr moving us in the next year. Maybe 201 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: there's a hiccup around Christmas Eve, you see Kevin McCarthy 202 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: uh most likely being elected to be the next speaker, 203 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: and then what happens next two years? Greg? Nothing, Probably nothing. 204 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: I'm in a minority that says that Georgia race is 205 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: really important because if herschel Walker loses, and it looks 206 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 1: like he is going to lose, that that sort of 207 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: neutralizes Joe Mansion, if that makes any sense at all, 208 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: because the Democrats won't have an absolute tie, they'll have 209 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: a majority of one and that could make a difference. 210 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,239 Speaker 1: Let's see how Kirsten Cinema feels about that, right, Yeah, exactly, 211 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: there were a couple of turns. Though one senator would 212 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: have made the difference. Two would have made all of 213 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: the difference, and we'd be talking about this build Back 214 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: Better law right now, wouldn't we. Well, that's right, absolutely, 215 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: But I think I think Mansion is going to get 216 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: checkmated here and he's gonna face a really tough re 217 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:44,599 Speaker 1: election fight in West Virginia. Fascinating, Greg, It's great to 218 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: talk to you and and come back soon. Greg Valier 219 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,319 Speaker 1: of a g F investments to get us started here 220 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: the view from the chief US policy strategist at a GF, 221 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: which means we need to bring the panel in next. 222 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 1: We'll do that with Rick Davis and Genie Chanzano, both 223 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: coming off a long Thanksgiving weekend and a lot to 224 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: talk about here, not just Congress coming together for the 225 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: lame duck session, but also, as Greg said, that race 226 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 1: in Georgia, we're gonna zero in with a lot more said, 227 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: a lot more time and money spent on the campaign 228 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: trail over the weekend. Senator Raphael Warnock and herschel Walker 229 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: will do that next with Rick and Genie on the 230 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: Fastest Hour in Politics. I'm Joe Matthew. This is Bloomberg. 231 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: You're listening to Bloomberg. You sound on with Joe Matthew 232 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg Radio. Fascinating numbers to see early voting from 233 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: over the weekend in Georgia, and it's always interesting to 234 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: look back and get a sense of where things were 235 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: in the last runoff, because you know, we've done this 236 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: a couple of times already. Here. Uh, there actually was 237 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 1: a legal fight over whether they'd be allowed to do 238 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:58,079 Speaker 1: early voting on Saturday. Well, seventy thousand Georgians turned out 239 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:01,959 Speaker 1: to vote Saturday. Uh. They came out in force again 240 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 1: on Sunday, another eighties six thousand, eighties seven thousand people voted. 241 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: You add in the fifteen thousand mail ballots accepted so far, 242 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: and it's almost a hundred and eighty two thousand voters 243 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 1: cast ballots by the end of the weekend. By comparison, 244 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 1: more than two hundred thousand people are already submitted a 245 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: mail ballot on the first day of really voting in 246 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 1: Georgia's last one off elections last time we went through this. 247 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: Let's assemble our panel here. Rick and Jeannie are with 248 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 1: us off the long weekend. It's great to see Rick 249 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: Davis and Jeannie Chantino, Bloomberg Politics contributors who make up 250 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: our signature panel Rick Georgia right now. Interesting, Raphael Warnock 251 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: did not even uh, I'm sorry herschel Walker did not 252 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: campaign over the weekend. Raphael Warnock was out in force, 253 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: And I wonder what that tells us about the strategies 254 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: on the ground for each campaign. Yeah, my guess is 255 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 1: that hurt blockers trying to figure out how to campaign 256 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: for the next couple of weeks. Um, you know, he's 257 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: had a lot of I would say self inflicted wounds 258 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:03,319 Speaker 1: over the last and since the since the election was over, 259 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: and so I'm my suspicion is that he's sort of 260 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: hunkered down trying to figure out like how is he 261 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: going to sprint to the finish And and and kudos 262 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: to Warnock for getting out ahead of him and using 263 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: a good weekend. Um, you know where some people would think, oh, 264 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: you know, campaigning on Thanksgiving weekend is uh inappropriate, But 265 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: the reality is people are voting, as you pointed out, 266 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: and in large numbers, and so why not be out 267 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: there among them, you know, stoking it up? What do 268 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: you think about this genie? At the the incumbent is 269 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: working harder on the campaign trail, it seems right now 270 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: than this challenger. That's right, you know. And and there 271 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: is a school thought which says, and I agree with 272 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: your last guest, and this race matters a good deal. 273 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 1: It doesn't decide power in the Senate, but it's critically 274 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: important for Democrats and that may be reflected here. And 275 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: also I think Rick has a point that you know, 276 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: Walker is how a lot of self inflicted wounds, probably 277 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to go out, and Warnock 278 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: has a really focused message here, which is a message 279 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: about the lack of competence on Walker's side and the 280 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: fact that character does matter, and he has gone out 281 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: on that message and he is sticking with it. And 282 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: we also should remember that they are fighting for a 283 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: very narrow pool of voters. Most voters minds are made up. 284 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: It's about those two hundred thousand voters who split their 285 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: ticket that the Walker campaign and the Warnock campaign need 286 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: to go after. And we see, you know, as a 287 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: surrogate KEMP trying to pull them back to his side. 288 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: And we're not making a concerted effort to say. You 289 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: may be a Republican and you may be attracted to 290 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: to a Kemp, but you certainly can't believe that Walker 291 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: is fit to serve in this office. I know you 292 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: liked Raphael Warnos focus group add UH that came out 293 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: for the weekend and certainly was shared quite a bit 294 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: on social media. Whether this is I'm assuming it's a 295 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: real focus group, but that you know, you've got people 296 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: here are sitting you see them one by one sitting 297 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: with headphones on UH and re acting to the things 298 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: they're hearing. If you listen to this broadcast every day, 299 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: you heard everything from herschel Walker that ended up in 300 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: this ad, you know, beginning with the vampires and the 301 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: werewolves and all that. Listen, What the hell is he 302 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: talking about? Is he's serious? Is for real? I'll tell 303 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: you something that I found out where I wolf to 304 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: kill a vampire. Did you know? How is he talking about? 305 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: I don't want to be a vampire and more I 306 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: want to be a wetwolf? Oh my god, he's talking 307 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 1: about vampires and werewolves right now? Yeah? Yeah, serious about this? Right? Okay? 308 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: So look, we could have kept on going. It's like 309 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: three minutes long, lot of material there, Rick. Uh if 310 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: this stuff isn't already making up people's minds though, is 311 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: this is this just for fun? Is it a fun 312 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: campaign stunt? Or does this get to the two thousand 313 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: people that Genie mentioned? Well? Uh, yeah, certainly that's a 314 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: target group. And these are uh, you know Governor Kemp 315 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: voters who did not vote for herschel Walker um and 316 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: and and likely didn't vote for Warnick either, So yeah, 317 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: they would be in play, probably for Republicans only. So 318 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: can you get them out? And where can you convince them? 319 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: To vote for herschel Walker is the attempt. But look, 320 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: as I said, you know, these are the kinds of 321 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: things that were tested in that ad tested. I use 322 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: that in quotation marks um, you know we're we're pretty 323 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: bad faux pause, right, I mean like and and and 324 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 1: what's really interesting is their vote pause to all of us. 325 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 1: But I don't think herschel Walker thought they were vote paused. 326 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: I mean maybe there was some deep meaning in being Awarewolf. 327 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 1: I don't know. But well, that's when he was really 328 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: starting to really come out in in full character on 329 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,640 Speaker 1: at the an ad lib at the podium, right, Genie, 330 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: this was he I think Rick is right here. He 331 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: thought he was starting to hit his stride at this point. 332 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 1: And now it's the target of you know, quite a 333 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: quite a little advertisement here. Well, as you know, Joe, 334 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: I loved this ad because you know, we had been 335 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 1: on the ERIC a few weeks ago, and every once 336 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: in a while you would say, hey, Jeanie, can you 337 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: interpret what what Walker is sick? And I was at 338 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 1: a loss of words. I could have been in that 339 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: focus group saying what the heck? I wan't say the 340 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 1: other word, what the heck is he talking about? Because 341 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: I could not make any sense of it. So I 342 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: think the ad is incredibly not just funny, but it's 343 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: it's incredibly effective because it's where many voters find themselves 344 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 1: because you're hard pressed to understand what he is talking about. 345 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: And again it underscores the issue. He is not fit 346 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: for this office, as Obama said, he may be a 347 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: great football player, but being great at football doesn't mean 348 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: you would be a great U. S. Senator for the 349 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 1: state of Georgia. I don't know if we have enough 350 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 1: time for this next one. Herschel Walker on the Dan 351 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: Patrick Show. Sometimes it's not funny the things that he's saying. 352 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: Listen to this. I talked about the Russian roulette people, 353 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: you're trying to kill yourself. No, that's not no, because 354 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: that's against what I believe in. I said what it 355 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 1: was if you came to my house and say you 356 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: want to challenge me at something, and you know everybody 357 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 1: everybody always want to challenge me. Everybody want to challenge me. 358 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: It's like why I said, Okay, if you want to 359 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: challenge me, you're tough enough. Let me see you pull 360 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: this here, pull this trigger here, put a bullet in 361 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 1: and spending people are you're crazy. I would take it 362 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: and put it to my head to snapping people. You're 363 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: trying to kill yourselfn No, And I don't know whether 364 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 1: I'm just blessed, and but I am. I've been blessed, 365 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: and it's just hanging out there as we head for 366 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 1: the election. This is bloomberg, a rare display of public 367 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: anger over COVID zero. People taking to the streets thousands 368 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:21,880 Speaker 1: and cities across China in recent days to demonstrate against 369 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 1: the strict lockdowns, the mass testing, clashing with police, in 370 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 1: some cases, some calling for President She to step down, 371 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: and while some of them arrested, authorities have not yet 372 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: responded with you know there's any sort of widespread violent crackdown, 373 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: people think Tneman when this stuff starts. Of course in China, 374 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: and boy, they were careful today at the White House. 375 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: Great story about it on the terminal. China protests draw 376 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: cautious US response following Bali meeting. Remember, Joe Biden was 377 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 1: just with President She. We felt like things were going well. 378 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 1: But it's one of the most frequently asked questions today. 379 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: Uh In the news briefing at the White House, John 380 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: Kirby was there and so that's why you know that 381 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: frequently brings up national security issues. The spokesman for the 382 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: National Security Council at the White House. Here's how he responded. 383 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:17,199 Speaker 1: Our message to peaceful protesters around the world is the 384 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: same and consistent. People should be allowed the right to 385 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: assemble and to peacefully protests. Policies or laws or dictates 386 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: that that they take issue with. White support their efforts 387 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: to sort of regain their personal freedoms and lockdowns. Because 388 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 1: White House supports the right of peaceful protest. That's all 389 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: I would say. And they came back around a lot 390 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: of times. So where's this going? We wanted to speak 391 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: with Craig Singleton about a senior China fellow at the 392 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: Foundation for the Defense of Democracies. Are we still talking 393 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: about this in a couple of weeks, Craig? What does 394 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: President she do now? Yeah? Thanks for having me. I mean, 395 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: the scale and the intensity of these protests I would 396 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: say here are simply too great to ignore. I suspect 397 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: over to see the mix of sort of announcements aimed 398 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: at mollifying some of the protesters demands about zero COVID 399 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: this morning, for example, People's Daily, the CCP's official newspaper 400 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: ran a front page story about the need to make 401 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 1: COVID controls more targeted and effective, but at the same time, 402 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 1: right Chinese security services will be keen to clamp down 403 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: on the future protests. We've seen some fenses erector erected 404 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 1: around sites of some of this weekend's protests and demonstrations. 405 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: I suspect going forward, though, the big problem is going 406 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 1: to be that the CCP has not articulated a clear 407 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: path out of zero COVID, and Sheping has so closely 408 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: staked his legacy on the notion that China's pandemic response 409 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: has been better than the West, and that narrative would 410 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: be really damaged. I think if China lifted these controls 411 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: too quickly and Chinese hospitals were overrun, do you think 412 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: that's the president she actually wants to do. I mean 413 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: he's he tends not to be moved by his people historically. 414 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 1: Why lift the policy now? I'm not sure that they're 415 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: going to because I think the Chinese Communist Party has 416 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: enjoyed certain benefits uh stemming from zero COVID, particularity the 417 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: draconian surveillance technologies that has been able to deploy over 418 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,479 Speaker 1: the last three years in real time to sort of 419 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: track descent and track the movement of people. At the 420 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: same time, though, it's impossible to ignore the economic side 421 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: effects here. China's economy is rapidly cooling. There's no chance 422 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: that they're going to hit their growth targets this year, 423 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: and so once again, I think the biggest challenge they're 424 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,400 Speaker 1: facing is that the policy of zero COVID is so 425 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 1: tied to She's personal legacy, and he just hasn't articulated 426 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: any path out that makes sense, particularly at the time 427 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 1: when most Chinese nationals are not inoculated against the virus. 428 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 1: There is no herd immunity. Uh. It really is a 429 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: trap of She's on making. John Kirby was asked about 430 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: supply chain disruptions. He said, you know, nothing really to 431 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: speak of, but we did see what happened at the 432 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: apple plant, uh and Sanju were workers pushed back against 433 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: pay and quarantine. Uh. You know that that turned into 434 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 1: a very ugly scene. Apple will inevitably feel that in 435 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 1: its production. In fact, they're moving a lot of production 436 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 1: because of this. At what point is this an economic 437 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,919 Speaker 1: story that we cannot deny? I mean, I think it 438 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: already is there widespread factory closures. Closures will further snarls 439 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 1: supply chains. It will absolutely have a negative impact on 440 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: US shoppers and companies at the height of the holiday season. Uh. 441 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 1: The effects of today's factory and port closures are going 442 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: to be felt into three as well. And I think 443 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: that leads a lot of US and foreign companies to 444 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: accelerate Mason plans to ship supply chains away from China 445 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,239 Speaker 1: to other countries in Asia. It's interesting to hear from 446 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 1: John Kirby on the vaccine and this is something I 447 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: keep wondering, like, you know, how come how come they're 448 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,239 Speaker 1: not asking for our It's not just that we're not 449 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 1: giving if they're not asking for it. Here's John Kirby again. 450 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: We have not offered any to to China at this time. 451 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 1: As you know, we are the largest supplier of COVID 452 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: vaccines around the world. UH, and we have not received 453 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 1: any requests or any interest by China to receive our vaccines. 454 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 1: When not fix this whole problem? Correct, they had the 455 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: good stuff potentially, I mean, you wonder what would happen 456 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,120 Speaker 1: in China. CCP had spent the last three years investing 457 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: in advanced therapeutics and hospitals. I don't think it would 458 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: be facing the current situation that it is. At the 459 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: same time, it's politically unpalatable for cheating pain to accept 460 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: Western assistance. He has spent the last two and a 461 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: half years railing against the US response, constantly pointing out 462 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,199 Speaker 1: that more than a million Americans have died of COVID. 463 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: We don't want to be like those guys over there 464 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: sort of stuff, and so I suspect that for China. Um, 465 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: it's just it's politically untenable to ask for the United 466 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 1: States support, Craig, Thanks for coming to see us, Craig Singleton, 467 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: always a pleasure from the Foundation for the Defense of Democracy. 468 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 1: Is quick around with our panel on this. Rick Davis 469 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: and Jeanie Schanzino are here. Rick, do you see this 470 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: impacting in eventual dropping of the COVID policy and should 471 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: we start sending the vaccine over there? It's gonna help 472 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: everybody in the end want Yeah. Look, I mean there's 473 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,640 Speaker 1: no indication at this stage that they're going to change 474 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 1: anything they're doing. If anything, you know, one of the 475 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: little things that people are paying attention to is Chinese 476 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: coverage of the World Cup and they're not showing people 477 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: who aren't wearing masks. Right, the last thing they want 478 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: their population to do is think you can go out 479 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,199 Speaker 1: and party with the masses. And they're convincing everybody that 480 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: they're they're taking their medicine. So uh, and I agree. 481 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: I think that China to agree to take US technology 482 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 1: in the form of a vaccine or a booster would 483 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 1: be a massive defeat for this administration in Beijing because 484 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: they're they're used to telling everybody we had all of 485 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 1: this stuff first in the US is actually behind us. 486 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 1: We have secretly set him the recipe, Genie, how do 487 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: you do this? Well, you know, it's just devastating and 488 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 1: and there's no way for us to do anything. The 489 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: vaccine is available, they will not ask for it apparently. 490 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: And let's remember what started this an apartment fire. Ten 491 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: people did locked into their apartments because of this COVID 492 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: zero policy. And we've seen this in authoritarian regimes beyond China. 493 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: We're seeing it in Iran, We've seen it in Russia 494 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: where post the pandemic or in the end of the pandemic. 495 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 1: For many of us, we are seeing populations emboldened to 496 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 1: respond to what they see as enormous exertions of state 497 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: power in the wake of the pandemic. We've seen it 498 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: here to a certain extent, obviously democratic state, but in 499 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: these authoritarian states we are seeing it. And I don't 500 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: see this ending in a way that you know is 501 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 1: going to allow j Ping to save face on this one. 502 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: John Kirby handled it the right way today. Rick, Yeah, 503 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: for sure. I mean I think that you don't have 504 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 1: very many options when it comes to, you know, sort 505 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: of influencing China, and especially during a crackdown against protesters. 506 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,880 Speaker 1: Let's say as little as possible, Rick and Jennie up next, 507 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:48,400 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg Sound On with 508 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 1: Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. So it's looking like the 509 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 1: Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals is going to be the 510 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: center of some important action here and any well shut 511 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 1: down Donald Trump's Special Master, as the three judges on 512 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:09,919 Speaker 1: the panel express skepticism that Judge Eileen Cannon had jurisdiction 513 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,360 Speaker 1: to take action before an indictment take action by applying 514 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: this special Master to the process, which means potentially an 515 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 1: indictment comes anytime. Let's reassemble the panel, Rick Davis and 516 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,439 Speaker 1: Jeannie Chanzano were here. Is that how you see this happening? Rick? 517 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: For sure, Jack Smith already has some momentum. People wondered 518 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 1: whether he's going to take some time to get started, 519 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,199 Speaker 1: and he didn't even take Thanksgiving off. So this is 520 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,199 Speaker 1: the new special counsel, the new special counsel and uh 521 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,160 Speaker 1: and and and the person in charge of these prosecutions 522 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,919 Speaker 1: from the Department of Justice point of view. And so 523 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: if the Eleventh Circuit throws out the arguments by Cannon 524 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: that you needed a special Master, which it seemed to 525 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: be leading in that direction as early as this week, Um, 526 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 1: that really opens the door for a prosecution for an 527 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,479 Speaker 1: indictment of Donald Trump on the charges that have been 528 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: enumerated in in in this debate. So, uh, you know, 529 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,120 Speaker 1: I don't think we have long to find out what 530 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,640 Speaker 1: mysteries will unfold as it relates to the Special Counsel's uh, 531 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: Jack Smith's intent to potentially indict Donald Trump. How does 532 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:20,439 Speaker 1: that impact this campaign for the White House that he 533 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 1: has formally launched, Genie if at all? Well, you know, 534 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 1: we believe that there were a couple of reasons that 535 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,959 Speaker 1: he decided to announce so early, and one of was 536 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 1: one of them was to scare other people in the 537 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,120 Speaker 1: Republican Party out of running. The other was to put 538 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 1: the Justice Department in a position where it would have 539 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: a hard time of prosecuting a candidate because it's the 540 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: Justice Department of Joe Biden. But of course the appointment 541 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: of a special counsel has you know, removed it from 542 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 1: essentially the Justice Department's control. And the Eleventh Circuit hearing was, 543 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: you know, just really an awful legal moment for the 544 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: Trump team because as bad as it was, the Supreme 545 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: Court that last week also ordered him to turn over 546 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 1: his taxes. This essentially gave the Justice Department, well the 547 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: special Counsel now the ability to really delve into this 548 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: issue of these classified documents at marl Lago without having 549 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: to deal with this special Master. And we know that 550 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: traditionally Donald Trump has used the court to delay, delay, delay, 551 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: and in this case, they are getting a boost if 552 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: this they rule in the way we think they will, 553 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,239 Speaker 1: they are going to get a boost in terms of 554 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: being able to delve into those documents and what happened 555 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,479 Speaker 1: there without having to deal with a Special Master. And 556 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: so that will help move this along much more quickly 557 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: than we thought, and potentially we could see a decision 558 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: to indict, you know, in early if they decide to 559 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: do that. Well, this is a big deal and one 560 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: that all of our listeners should keep an eye on 561 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: here as we discuss a few remaining topics here on 562 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: sound On, because it's that's not what everybody was talking 563 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 1: about with Donald Trump over the weekend. It's it's of 564 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: course probably the most important development. But after that dinner 565 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: at mar Lago, that's what we're here ring about here, right, 566 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: Kanye West shows up at marl Lago with this guy, 567 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: Nick Fuentes. This country wouldn't exist without white people. There 568 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 1: you go, Yeah, and white people are done being bullied. 569 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: As an expert on bullies, it's take issue with that, 570 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 1: So I'm supposed to call him a white supremacist, a 571 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: Holocaust denier. What's the deal? Nick Flentes now has has 572 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: broken bread with Donald Trump thanks to yea. That would 573 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: be Kanye who discussed uh the uh the dinner or 574 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: whatever on video after it was done. So Trump is 575 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: really impressed with Nick Fluentz. And Nick Fluentz, unlike so 576 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: many of the lawyers, as so many people that he 577 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: was left with on his twenty campaign. He's actually a 578 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: loyalist when he didn't know what the lawyers is, you'll 579 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: still have your lawyer list, Okay, And there's your loyalist, 580 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,239 Speaker 1: Nick fluent As. I guess he's got because everyone's got 581 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: their own TV network. It's like he's with the America 582 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: First Foundation. And he was on online talking about this 583 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: at the full of the anchor desk in the suit 584 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: and everything, and he just he clearly had a great 585 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 1: time here. He is the president. I don't think he 586 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: does know who I am, or rather, he didn't know 587 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: that I was me. Let me put it that way. 588 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 1: I don't think he knew that I was me at 589 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: the dinner. Let's put it that way. I don't know 590 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: if I'm gonna say he didn't know me, but I 591 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: I'm not sure about that. But certainly he didn't know 592 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 1: that I was me. But he's gonna wink and a smile. 593 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 1: Donald Trump writes on truth Social because and I know 594 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: this because Genie told me that he dined with Yea 595 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: and the rapper quote unexpectedly showed up with three of 596 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 1: his friends whom I knew nothing about. Unquote, he can't 597 00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,719 Speaker 1: believe people are blown away by this one, Jennie. I'm 598 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: guessing because he's been posting ever since. He has been posting, 599 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: and I spent my Thanksgiving Joe Matthew for you tracking 600 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 1: what was going on. Yep. He he called Yea a 601 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: seriously troubled man whose business was decimated, and said he 602 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 1: showed up with three people he didn't know. But of 603 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 1: course we know that that's not the case. We know 604 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: one of them ran his campaign in Florida, and she 605 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: certainly knew Donald Trump. He certainly knew her. And you're 606 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 1: hard to press to imagine Donald Trump didn't know Fuentes 607 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 1: because everybody else in the Republican leadership does, including of 608 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: course Marjorie Taylor Greene and Paul Gossar, amongst others who 609 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: spoke at his group. And so even if you believed 610 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 1: he didn't know him, for him not to come out, 611 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 1: and as his former US ambassador said, to condemn them 612 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: and to throw these bums out is deplorable and vile 613 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: and human scum and all the words that have been 614 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: used described them. And if people look up what Nick 615 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 1: Fanta's has had to say. In addition to Yea, the 616 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: anti Semitism is disgusting and should be condemned. And we've 617 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 1: seen Republicans Asa Hudginson the most recent, do that, but 618 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: it has been slow, and it's been a slow drip 619 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: so far. We heard Greg Valier weigh in on this 620 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: earlier in the hour here, Rick, I know you're not 621 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 1: surprised probably by a story like this, But does Kevin 622 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: McCarthy need to condemn this before he can hold the gavel? Well, 623 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: I think Kevin McCarthy can't condemn it if he wants 624 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 1: to hold the gavel. That's really the pinch he's in 625 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,479 Speaker 1: because you know, he needs these supportive people like Marjorie 626 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: Taylor Green and Paul Gossar who attended white nationalist conferences 627 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: with Nick flint Is. I mean, you know, they're on 628 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 1: his side and and so he's he's basically in the 629 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: position where he doesn't have a vote to spare and 630 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: and he's just gonna stay silent because that's the bargain 631 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 1: with the devil, and the devil in this case is 632 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. And just to reiterate it, it's not about 633 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 1: Nick Pointez. I mean, Donald Trump is talking about meeting 634 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 1: with his friend kind West Ye who by the way 635 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 1: has just shown us the stripes that he had, and 636 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 1: that's as an anti semit and the rest of the 637 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 1: entertainment world, in the business world of oster sizing, but 638 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,319 Speaker 1: not Donald Trump. Well look, and that's that's important here. 639 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: Nick Fuentes is so outrageous and so offensive, Genie. The 640 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: people forget in some cases at least that Kanye was 641 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 1: just fired by Adidas and a couple of other companies 642 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 1: right there, that wasn't the only one for being uh 643 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: a full throated anti semit That's right. And let's not 644 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:29,280 Speaker 1: forget Donald Donald Trump himself has recently spewed anti Semitic remarks. 645 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 1: So you know, this is what Donald Trump has trafficked in. 646 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 1: And it has been Donald Trump's approach all along. If 647 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: people like me, if they'll vote for me, if they 648 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 1: support me, then I'm all in for them. I don't 649 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 1: care who or what they are. And that's the case here. 650 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: You know. The the best part of this dinner, apparently 651 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,760 Speaker 1: in my mind at least, was when Kanye West decided 652 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 1: to ask Donald Trump if you wanted to serve as 653 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,839 Speaker 1: as vice president, and that apparently threw Donald Trump into 654 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 1: a rage, and then he attacked his his ex wife, 655 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 1: So you know, you know that that was that was 656 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,839 Speaker 1: the most absurd but the best part of the whole 657 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 1: dinner by reports, I can't tell if they're even friends 658 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 1: or not. I guess this is just you're you're in 659 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 1: this sort of fringe circle and you want publicity to 660 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,919 Speaker 1: see you show up at mar Lago. Rick. But but 661 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: that means anybody can get into mar A Lago now 662 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,399 Speaker 1: hang out with the former president current candidate. I think 663 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: after Nick Flinn does at dinner with him, it shows 664 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,400 Speaker 1: anybody can go to Marra Lago and have dinner with 665 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,359 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. It's incredible. Uh, you know, we'll see if 666 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,439 Speaker 1: I guess the Oval Office works like that there there 667 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,759 Speaker 1: of course he's he's been there. There's a big conversation 668 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 1: as well about what's happening at the r n C 669 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,240 Speaker 1: right now. This is all part of the the stuff 670 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:39,319 Speaker 1: that follows a difficult midterm election cycle. Rona McDaniel, the 671 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 1: chair is now being officially challenged by none other then 672 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 1: the my pillow guy here he is, I am one 673 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 1: running for the RNC chairman against Rona McDaniel. H I'm 674 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 1: all in, Steve, and uh. One of the things that 675 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 1: one of the big donors said to me. He said, Mike, 676 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,440 Speaker 1: he said, everybody wants you to be head of the RNC. 677 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 1: Some of them just don't know it yet. That's that 678 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,280 Speaker 1: happens to the best of us. He's talking to Steve Bannon. 679 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,839 Speaker 1: I believe they're Uh, look, I'm assuming that you guys 680 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 1: don't think Mike Lindell, the my pillow guy, is going 681 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 1: to be the next chair of the r n C. 682 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 1: But it's not just him. Listen to to Christie Nome 683 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 1: from over the weekend talking about this issue on Fox 684 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 1: and we need to win. I mean, that's just the 685 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 1: fact our kids's future depends on it. So, uh, you know, 686 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 1: we really all have a responsibility to message what Republican 687 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 1: policies bring to this country. And I don't know a 688 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 1: party that can continue to lose like we have and 689 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 1: keep their jobs. The governor South Dakota sometimes talked about 690 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 1: a potential running mate, Donald Trump is certainly a you know, 691 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:52,359 Speaker 1: a loyal Trumper. Uh, Rick, what's happening at your old 692 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,720 Speaker 1: r n C. Well, Uh, we used to have people 693 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 1: who actually experienced electoral victories, either in their own races 694 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 1: or are working for other people who could then replicate 695 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,840 Speaker 1: some of that successful formulation for the rest of the party. 696 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,800 Speaker 1: Now we have people who have never really run for anything, 697 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 1: who are just Sinka fans for Donald Trump, who think 698 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 1: that the Treasury Department at the Republican National Committee is 699 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 1: Trump slush fund and and that's why they're running to 700 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,799 Speaker 1: be r n C chair, not to win elections, but 701 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,120 Speaker 1: to make sure Donald Trump's lawyers get fed. So I 702 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,880 Speaker 1: scratched my head all the time because we keep losing. 703 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,840 Speaker 1: We lost in twenty we lost in twenty one, we 704 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 1: lost in twenty two. I mean, like Daniel out cut 705 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: the line and say, you know, we need people who 706 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,799 Speaker 1: actually know how to you know, actually had to run 707 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 1: an election. Is Rona McDaniel out, well, if ron Daniels out, 708 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 1: Mike Lindell is in, I mean, like what we need 709 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 1: or some candidates so I actually know what they're doing. Wow, 710 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,799 Speaker 1: the Genie's just sitting over there smiling, aren't you. I 711 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,759 Speaker 1: am waiting for my free pillows and free slippers from 712 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 1: the pillow man. Well done, Genie, Rick I missed you 713 00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 1: on a long weekend. Boy, we covered a lot of ground. 714 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,680 Speaker 1: We could keep going here. This is the fastest hour 715 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,279 Speaker 1: in politics. Somehow we move on I'll meet you back 716 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,320 Speaker 1: here tomorrow. This is Bloomberg