WEBVTT - Electrocardiograms

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production

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<v Speaker 1>of iHeartRadio. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm trace

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<v Speaker 1>E V. Wilson, and I'm Holly Frye.

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<v Speaker 2>I went to the doctor the other day. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's where I picked up the cold that I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like is still present in my voice a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably that's for sick people off and arm.

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<v Speaker 2>No. I know I had a mask on the whole time,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, stuff happens while I was there. The

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<v Speaker 2>doctor wanted to get an EKG, also called an ECG

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<v Speaker 2>or electro cardiogram. People use those EKG and ECG abbreviations

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much interchangeably. EKG is just the same word, but

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<v Speaker 2>in German. While I was waiting for somebody to come

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<v Speaker 2>back with the machine to do this test, I thought,

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<v Speaker 2>what was this inventedrobably like the twenties or the thirties,

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<v Speaker 2>And while waiting I looked it up on my phone

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<v Speaker 2>and the answer was eighteen ninety five. Of course, that

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen ninety five device looked a lot different from today's

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<v Speaker 2>electro cardiographs, which is what the machine is called. And

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<v Speaker 2>there are some other years on either side of eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety five, that you could also say was the first regardless,

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<v Speaker 2>so that was earlier than I was expecting. So sitting

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<v Speaker 2>there at the doctor's office, I dropped what I was

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<v Speaker 2>working on for this show to do an electro cardiogram

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<v Speaker 2>episode instead as a confession. I was also working on

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<v Speaker 2>something that had turned out to be really unwieldy, and

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<v Speaker 2>while I was in the waiting room, I had been

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<v Speaker 2>sort of thinking through how in the world I was

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<v Speaker 2>going to get this unwieldy thing done in time to

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<v Speaker 2>record it. The unwieldy thing is still coming, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>coming later. Also, my ECG was normal in case people

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<v Speaker 2>are wondering, Like most of our episodes on medical developments,

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<v Speaker 2>this does include some animal experimentation. Also, if you're a

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<v Speaker 2>cardiologist or otherwise if you work with a lot of ECGs,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just go ahead and apologize. We're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>talk in a lot of detail about what the actual

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<v Speaker 2>readout means. I don't feel remotely qualified to get into that,

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<v Speaker 2>and I also don't think are either muddling through it

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<v Speaker 2>or just reading somebody else's definition word for word would

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<v Speaker 2>actually add to the history of this in a way

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<v Speaker 2>that would sort of add to it. For like typical

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<v Speaker 2>non cardiologist, non physician type people. So the heart is

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<v Speaker 2>a muscle and its beats are controlled by electrical activity

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<v Speaker 2>generated in the sinus node also called the cinoaitrial node

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<v Speaker 2>that's a part of the heart. An electric cardiogram is

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<v Speaker 2>a non invasive test that measures this electrical activity using

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<v Speaker 2>electrodes placed on the skin, which are connected to an

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<v Speaker 2>electric cardiograph or ECG machine with leadwire. The machine translates

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<v Speaker 2>those electrical signals into a graphical representation of a wave

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<v Speaker 2>and that is immediately available to be read and interpreted.

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<v Speaker 2>With today's technology.

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<v Speaker 1>This is typically a fast, painless test, although people who

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<v Speaker 1>are sensitive to adhesives or to the material the electrodes

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<v Speaker 1>are made from can experience some irritation. That happened to

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<v Speaker 1>me the first time I ever had one, yes, say

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<v Speaker 1>something years ago, but not with this one most recently.

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<v Speaker 1>This technology grew from both the study of electricity and

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<v Speaker 1>the study of anatomy and physiology, and then all that,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, started way before the end of the nineteenth

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<v Speaker 1>century when the first ECGs were invented. People have been

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<v Speaker 1>observing phenomena like static electricity and lightning since before the

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<v Speaker 1>start of recorded history, and While different societies have had

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<v Speaker 1>taboos around things like dissections and autopsies, people have also

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<v Speaker 1>been doing them and examining hearts and other muscles for

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<v Speaker 1>thousands of years. The word electricity was first used in

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<v Speaker 1>writing by English polymath and member of Parliament Sir Thomas

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<v Speaker 1>Brown in sixteen forty six in his Pseudodoxia Epidemica, or

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<v Speaker 1>Enquiries into Very Many Received Tenets and Commonly Presumed Truths.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a book that he wrote to try to

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<v Speaker 1>correct an assortment of superstitions and commonly held misinformation. It's

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<v Speaker 1>actually arranged into seven books, and as an example, the

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<v Speaker 1>third book is devoted to dispelling misinformation about animals, including

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that elephants don't have joints, that beavers escape

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<v Speaker 1>hunters by biting off their testicles, although who could blame them,

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<v Speaker 1>and that the ostrich digestith iron. Brown's descriptions of electricity

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<v Speaker 1>are focused on static electricity, including the ability of materials

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<v Speaker 1>like amber and jet to attract lightweight objects after being rubbed.

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<v Speaker 1>Similar words like electric and electric were coined in the

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<v Speaker 1>seventeenth century as well.

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<v Speaker 2>I was extremely delighted by just the table of contents

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<v Speaker 2>at this book. In the sixteen sixties, Dutch naturalist Yon

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<v Speaker 2>Swammerdam carried out experiments on frogs and other animals. This

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<v Speaker 2>included using his scalpel or another instrument to stimulate nerve

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<v Speaker 2>tissue during dissections, and that would cause the corresponding muscles

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<v Speaker 2>to twitch. He believed that these muscular contractions were caused

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<v Speaker 2>by the flow of animal spirits or nervous fluid. There's

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<v Speaker 2>some debate about whether these experiments involved electricity. Some of

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<v Speaker 2>his instruments were made of multiple different metals, and they

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<v Speaker 2>had voltage differences that could have produced a small current

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<v Speaker 2>if that's the case, though he definitely was not aware

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<v Speaker 2>that that was what was happening.

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<v Speaker 1>About one hundred years later, researchers were studying animals like

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<v Speaker 1>electric rays also called common torpedoes, as well as electric eels.

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<v Speaker 1>One was American scientist and spy Edward Bancroft, who described

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<v Speaker 1>torpedoes and their ability to shock people in his book

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<v Speaker 1>An Essay on the Natural History of Guiana. His description

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<v Speaker 1>didn't really line up with how people understood electrical charges.

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<v Speaker 1>At this point, it was known that metal could conduct electricity,

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<v Speaker 1>but that glass and sealing wax couldn't, and the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of electricity coming from a living thing just seemed bizarre.

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<v Speaker 1>Earlier descriptions of these animals had concluded that the jolts

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<v Speaker 1>they produced were physical, not electrical, but Bancroft did some

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<v Speaker 1>experiments showing that the shock from a torpedo was similar

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<v Speaker 1>to the electrical charge that could be stored in a

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<v Speaker 1>Leiden jar.

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<v Speaker 2>In seventeen seventy two, British scientist John Walsh worked off

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<v Speaker 2>of Bancroft's ideas to experiment with electric rays and found

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<v Speaker 2>that it was possible to direct the shocks these rays

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<v Speaker 2>produced through a circuit of four people. He wrote letters

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<v Speaker 2>about this to Benjamin Franklin, and he was awarded the

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<v Speaker 2>Royal Society's Coply Medal for his paper on the torpedo

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<v Speaker 2>in seventeen seventy three. Then, in seventeen seventy five, Danish

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<v Speaker 2>physician and veterinarian Peter Christian Ablegard used electrical shocks to

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<v Speaker 2>quote render lifeless a bird and then to revive it.

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<v Speaker 2>Italian researcher Luigi Galvani experimented with frogs, and on September twentieth,

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen eighty six, he wrote, quote, I had dissected and

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<v Speaker 2>prepared a frog in the usual way, and while I

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<v Speaker 2>was attending to something else, I laid it on a

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<v Speaker 2>table on which stood an electrical machine, at some distance

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<v Speaker 2>from its conductor and separated from it by a considerable space. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>when one of the persons present touched accidentally and lightly

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<v Speaker 2>the inner cural nerves of the frog with the point

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<v Speaker 2>of a scalpel, all the muscles of the legs seemed

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<v Speaker 2>to contract again an again, as if they were affected

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<v Speaker 2>by powerful cramps. Other eighteenth century researchers experimented with using

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<v Speaker 2>electricity to revive the apparently dead, including English surgeon Charles

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<v Speaker 2>Kite and Italian scientist Alessandro Volta. It's possible that these

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<v Speaker 2>experiments were one of the inspirations for Mary Shelley's Frankenstein

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<v Speaker 2>or the modern Prometheus.

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<v Speaker 1>In the early nineteenth century, Johann Schwager of Nuremberg developed

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<v Speaker 1>the first galvanometer that was an instrument to measure electrical current,

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<v Speaker 1>which was later named in honor of Luigi Galvani. Around

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<v Speaker 1>the same time, Danish physicist Hans Christian Ersted noted that

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<v Speaker 1>it was possible for changes in electrical current to deflect

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<v Speaker 1>a compass needle showing a connection between electricity and magnetism.

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<v Speaker 1>By the eighteen thirties and forties, researchers were using galvanometers

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<v Speaker 1>to study electrical activity in animals, not just ones that

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<v Speaker 1>could produce an obvious chart like electric raisin eels. This

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<v Speaker 1>included Italian physicist Leopoldo Nobili. In eighteen thirty four, he

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<v Speaker 1>developed an instrument called an astatic galvanometer to detect very

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<v Speaker 1>small electric currents, and he used it to detect a

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<v Speaker 1>current between a frog's limbs and spinal cord. In eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>forty two, Carlo Matiucci used Nobili's invention to detect electrical

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<v Speaker 1>currents in the hearts of pigeons.

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<v Speaker 2>Within a decade, researchers had started to realize a connection

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<v Speaker 2>between the electrical activity of the heart and irregular heartbeats,

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<v Speaker 2>specifically ventricular fibrillation. Maritz Haffe described this in eighteen fifty

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<v Speaker 2>following experiments in the lab of his teacher Karl Ludwig,

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<v Speaker 2>he was able to induce ventricular fibrillation in dogs by

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<v Speaker 2>exposing their hearts to electrical currents. A few years later,

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<v Speaker 2>in eighteen fifty six, Albert von Kolliger and Heinrich Mueller

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<v Speaker 2>detected electionlectrical activity in frog hearts in a lab in Germany,

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<v Speaker 2>discovering that the heart generated electricity and that there was

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<v Speaker 2>a rhythm to it that was associated with each beat.

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<v Speaker 1>Much of this animal research involved dissections or vivisections, and

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<v Speaker 1>scientists were detecting electrical signals from exposed skeletal muscles and hearts.

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<v Speaker 1>But by the late nineteenth century people started figuring out

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<v Speaker 1>ways to record the heart's electrical activity from outside the body.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll talk more about that after a sponsor break.

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<v Speaker 2>In eighteen sixty nine, Scottish electrical engineer Alexander Muirhead was

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<v Speaker 2>working at Saint Bartholomew's Hospital in London and he found

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<v Speaker 2>a way to record the electrical rhythm of a patient's

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<v Speaker 2>beating heart. He attached an electrode to the patient's wrist

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<v Speaker 2>and the case connected that to a siphon recorder. This

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<v Speaker 2>recorder was developed by William Thompson as a receiver for

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<v Speaker 2>the extremely weak electrical signals that had traveled along underwater

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<v Speaker 2>telegraph cables. That used a glass tube with an increas

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<v Speaker 2>of war at one end, which swayed back and forth

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<v Speaker 2>in response to positive and negative electrical signals. This created

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<v Speaker 2>a continuous wavering line on a recording paper. For telegraph cables,

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<v Speaker 2>that wavering line represented the dots and dashes of Morse code,

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<v Speaker 2>but in muir head set up, it represented the electrical

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<v Speaker 2>rhythm of the heart. This was most likely the first

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<v Speaker 2>ever recording of electrical activity in the heart of a

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<v Speaker 2>human patient, but Muirhead did not publicize this work.

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<v Speaker 1>The next major step in the development of the electric

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<v Speaker 1>cardiogram was the work of British physiologist Augustus Desiree Waller

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<v Speaker 1>at Saint Mary's Hospital, London in eighteen eighty seven. He

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<v Speaker 1>used a capillary electrometer developed by Gabriel Lippmann to record

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<v Speaker 1>electrical activity from patient's hearts. This electrometer was made out

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<v Speaker 1>of a glass tube filled with mercury. One end of

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<v Speaker 1>the tube was formed into a tiny capillary that could

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<v Speaker 1>be submerged in diluted sulfuric acid. There was an electrical

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<v Speaker 1>potential difference between the mercury and the sulfuric acid, so

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<v Speaker 1>when this setup was connected to the patient's body through

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<v Speaker 1>electrodes and leads, the curved surface of the mercury in

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<v Speaker 1>the tube or the meniscus would shift in response to

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<v Speaker 1>the current from the patient's heart. These shifts were tiny,

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<v Speaker 1>so they were projected onto photosensitive paper using a projecting microscope.

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<v Speaker 1>British physiologist John Burdon Sanderson and Frederick Page had used

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<v Speaker 1>a similar device to record a two phase current in

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<v Speaker 1>frog heartbeats in eighteen seventy eight. Waller called this a cardiograph,

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<v Speaker 1>and he did a number of experiments with it, including

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<v Speaker 1>working with different numbers of leads, sometimes a single lead,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes two, and eventually five. Those five electrodes were on

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<v Speaker 1>all four of the patient's limbs and one in their mouth.

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<v Speaker 1>He used electrodes strapped to the surface of the patient's body,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as jars of saline solution that acted as

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<v Speaker 1>electrodes for the hands and feet. He also did demonstrations

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<v Speaker 1>of this concept with his dog, Jimmy, who would stand

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<v Speaker 1>with two of his feet in jars of saline. Jimmy

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<v Speaker 1>was reportedly a very patient dog.

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<v Speaker 2>While Waller was able to record electrical signals from the

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<v Speaker 2>heart with the capillary electrometer, he didn't really think this

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<v Speaker 2>was going to be useful in clinical practice. He eventually

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<v Speaker 2>came to see more value in it, but earlier on

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<v Speaker 2>he's quoted as saying he didn't imagine that it would

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<v Speaker 2>thee extensive use in hospitals quote that can be at

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<v Speaker 2>most of rare and occasional use to afford a record

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<v Speaker 2>of some rare anomaly of cardiac action.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the people who saw one of Waller's demonstrations

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<v Speaker 1>with Jimmy was Dutch physiologist VILLEM. Eintoven. He had been

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<v Speaker 1>born in Semarang, Java in eighteen sixty and he had

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<v Speaker 1>Jewish ancestry. Ancestors on his father's side had fled to

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<v Speaker 1>the Netherlands during the Spanish Inquisition. His father and his

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<v Speaker 1>grandfather were both doctors, and he earned both an MD

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<v Speaker 1>and a PhD from the University of Utrecht. Ethoven saw

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<v Speaker 1>Waller's demonstration at the International Congress of Physiology in London

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<v Speaker 1>in eighteen eighty seven. After seeing this demonstration, Aintoven started

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<v Speaker 1>working on his own device, describing it as an electro

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<v Speaker 1>cardiogram at the eighteen ninety three Dutch Medical Meeting. Although

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<v Speaker 1>Eintoven is usually credited with coining this term, he actually

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<v Speaker 1>gave the credit to Waller. Intoven started out with a

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<v Speaker 1>five lead setup similar to Waller's, but ultimately dropped the

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<v Speaker 1>two leads that he thought provided the lowest yield for

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<v Speaker 1>the signal. Those two leads were the one in the

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<v Speaker 1>mouth and the right leg. That left three leads for

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<v Speaker 1>both of the patient's hands and their left leg. All

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<v Speaker 1>the electrodes for the setup were buckets of saline. Inoven

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<v Speaker 1>studied the curves produced by this device, noticing that there

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<v Speaker 1>was a pattern of five deflections for each heartbeat. He

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<v Speaker 1>labeled these deflections ABCD, and E. He worked with mathematician

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<v Speaker 1>Heindrich Lorentz to create a formula that would account for

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<v Speaker 1>inertia and friction within the device. The resulting pattern looked

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<v Speaker 1>like what we see in an EKG today. Every person's

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<v Speaker 1>heartbeat is their own, but in a healthy heart that's

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<v Speaker 1>beating normally, the basic pattern is the same.

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<v Speaker 2>Eintoven labeled those five corrected deflections as PQRS, and T.

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<v Speaker 2>He probably chose p AT as the starting point because

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<v Speaker 2>of a tradition dating back to Renee Descartes of using

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<v Speaker 2>letters from the second half of the alphabet. The letters

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<v Speaker 2>N and O were already widely being used for other purposes.

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<v Speaker 2>Aintoven published a paper detailing all this in eighteen ninety

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<v Speaker 2>five called Form of the Human electro cardiogram.

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<v Speaker 1>Then Eintoven started working on developing a device with a

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<v Speaker 1>more sensitive galvanometer. He did this with a string galvanometer

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<v Speaker 1>made from a thread of quartz coated in silver. This

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<v Speaker 1>thread was suspended between the poles of an electromagnet, and

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<v Speaker 1>it shifted within the electromagnetic field in response to the

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<v Speaker 1>electrical signals from the heart. While this galvanometer was more sensitive,

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<v Speaker 1>its movements were still teeny tiny, so they had to

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<v Speaker 1>be magnified and projected onto a running sheet of photographic film.

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<v Speaker 1>He presented this device for the first time in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>oh one.

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<v Speaker 2>This was pretty similar to a device that had been

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<v Speaker 2>created by French engineer and aviator Clement Adair for receiving

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<v Speaker 2>underwater transmissions through wires. It seems like these two men

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<v Speaker 2>each came up with their devices independently of one another,

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<v Speaker 2>but Intoven later did acknowledge Adair's similar work.

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<v Speaker 1>Although Eintoven's string galvanometer was more sensitive and precise than

0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:33.080
<v Speaker 1>the capillary device had been, that did not mean that

0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:36.680
<v Speaker 1>it was small or easy to use. It weighed more

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<v Speaker 1>than six hundred sixty pounds or three hundred kilograms, and

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<v Speaker 1>it took up two rooms It required a large electromagnet

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<v Speaker 1>which had to be continually cooled with flowing water to

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<v Speaker 1>keep it from overheating, and it required five people to operate.

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<v Speaker 1>So by nineteen oh three Etoven was working on making

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<v Speaker 1>a commercial version of this device which could actually be

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<v Speaker 1>used and clinical medicine. This was not really that would

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<v Speaker 1>be a long process and in the meantime it just

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't possible to move his device from the laboratory,

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<v Speaker 1>where it took up two rooms, to a hospital where

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<v Speaker 1>it could be used with patients more easily. His colleague

0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:21.280
<v Speaker 1>Johannes Bosha made a suggestion, and that was to connect

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<v Speaker 1>to the electro cardiogram at the lab to the academic

0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:29.000
<v Speaker 1>hospital in Leiden, roughly a mile or fifteen hundred meters away.

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<v Speaker 1>They did this with a telephone line. Patients in the

0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:35.840
<v Speaker 1>hospital placed both of their arms and one of their

0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:40.000
<v Speaker 1>legs in buckets of saline, with those buckets acting as electrodes,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were connected to a telephone line that carried

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<v Speaker 1>their electrical signal to the galvanometer in the lab.

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<v Speaker 2>Then they could read the electro cardiogram in the lab

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<v Speaker 2>almost a mile away. On March twenty second of nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>oh five, the first telecardiogram was transmitted from the hospital.

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<v Speaker 1>Einthoven published a paper called Leutelecardiogram in nineteen oh six.

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<v Speaker 1>This work detailed a number of arrhythmias and other issues

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<v Speaker 1>that could be detected by examining the results of an

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<v Speaker 1>electro cardiogram, including mitral insufficiency, left ventricular hypertrophy, premature ventricular contractions,

0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:23.840
<v Speaker 1>and atrial flutter. By this point, Cambridge Scientific Instrument Company

0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:28.040
<v Speaker 1>of London had developed a commercial version of the Eintoven

0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:32.040
<v Speaker 1>electric cardiograph, and it had sold three of them. All

0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:34.879
<v Speaker 1>three were for use in laboratory research, though not for

0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:39.399
<v Speaker 1>clinical work in human medical patients. The first purchase of

0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:42.520
<v Speaker 1>one of these machines for clinical work was in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>oh eight. We'll talk about how electric cardiographs and electrocardiograms

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<v Speaker 1>developed from here. After another sponsor break, in.

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<v Speaker 2>Nineteen eleven, Cambridge Instrument Company released a table model of

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<v Speaker 2>William Eintoven's electro cardiograph. This one was still a lot

0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:13.440
<v Speaker 2>bigger than most of today's machines that you might see

0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:16.720
<v Speaker 2>in a doctor's office. It still required patients to sit

0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:18.879
<v Speaker 2>with both of their hands and one of their feet

0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:23.119
<v Speaker 2>in buckets of saline, so it was still relatively cumbersome,

0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:26.120
<v Speaker 2>but it was way more compact than that two room,

0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:30.080
<v Speaker 2>six hundred pound original version, and doctors had also figured

0:20:30.119 --> 0:20:33.359
<v Speaker 2>out all kinds of conditions and abnormalities that could be

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<v Speaker 2>detected and diagnosed through the patterns in an electro cardiogram.

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<v Speaker 2>Doctors and hospitals were a little slower to adopt this

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<v Speaker 2>technology than they had been with the first X ray machines,

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<v Speaker 2>but by the time this table model was introduced, electric

0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:51.840
<v Speaker 2>cardiograms were starting to be regarded as critical to cardiac care.

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<v Speaker 2>We talked about the development of X rays in our

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<v Speaker 2>episode on mimography on January thirty first, twenty twenty four,

0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:01.520
<v Speaker 2>and the modern blood pressure cuff in our episode on

0:21:01.640 --> 0:21:06.040
<v Speaker 2>hypertension on August first, twenty twenty two. X ray machines,

0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:09.679
<v Speaker 2>blood pressure cuffs, and electric cardiograms were all developed and

0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:13.240
<v Speaker 2>refined around the turn of the twentieth century, and together

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<v Speaker 2>they were critical to the development of cardiology as a

0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:21.680
<v Speaker 2>specific medical field. I've also realized these are three episodes

0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:24.960
<v Speaker 2>from our catalog, including this one, all inspired by my

0:21:25.080 --> 0:21:31.680
<v Speaker 2>own medical experiences. In nineteen twelve, Welsh cardiologist Thomas Lewis

0:21:31.720 --> 0:21:36.040
<v Speaker 2>delivered a lecture at University College Hospital titled on the

0:21:36.080 --> 0:21:42.920
<v Speaker 2>evidences of Auricular Fibrillation Treated Historically. He described various arrhythmias

0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:47.040
<v Speaker 2>as clearly visible and recognizable in the waves of an

0:21:47.080 --> 0:21:51.720
<v Speaker 2>electro cardiogram, including fibrillations that is, a heart that's fluttering

0:21:51.800 --> 0:21:55.320
<v Speaker 2>or twitching in an unsynchronized way rather than beating in

0:21:55.359 --> 0:21:59.560
<v Speaker 2>a regular pattern. He also discussed the examination of a

0:21:59.640 --> 0:22:03.760
<v Speaker 2>horse that showed evidence of atrial fibrillation due to heart disease,

0:22:04.600 --> 0:22:08.440
<v Speaker 2>not something that had been induced in the horse through experimentation,

0:22:08.600 --> 0:22:10.320
<v Speaker 2>which had been the case in some of the other

0:22:10.400 --> 0:22:15.000
<v Speaker 2>animal research. He found that the waves from the horse's

0:22:15.080 --> 0:22:17.920
<v Speaker 2>heart were basically the same as that of a human's,

0:22:18.000 --> 0:22:21.760
<v Speaker 2>and he confirmed that the heart really was in atrial

0:22:21.800 --> 0:22:25.800
<v Speaker 2>fibrillation by actually looking at it during a surgical examination.

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<v Speaker 2>Lewis was a regular correspondent with Einthoven, and he was

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<v Speaker 2>also building on the work of Scottish cardiologist James Mackenzie,

0:22:34.080 --> 0:22:37.880
<v Speaker 2>who developed a polygraph machine that traced patient's pulses at

0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:41.560
<v Speaker 2>the wrist and neck, which could also show evidence of arrhythmias.

0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:45.760
<v Speaker 2>This was simpler than the polygraph machines that supposedly work

0:22:45.760 --> 0:22:50.680
<v Speaker 2>as light detectors. Today those also measure other physiological responses.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Augustus Waller, who we mentioned earlier, Lewis didn't really

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<v Speaker 2>think electric cardiograms could be very useful in clinical medicine,

0:22:59.600 --> 0:23:03.720
<v Speaker 2>but this largely because they were still pretty cumbersome. ECGs

0:23:03.800 --> 0:23:07.080
<v Speaker 2>could only capture a few seconds of activity, and since

0:23:07.080 --> 0:23:10.760
<v Speaker 2>the results were projected onto photosensitive paper, they had to

0:23:10.800 --> 0:23:15.080
<v Speaker 2>be developed before they could be interpreted. But Mackenzie's polygraph

0:23:15.240 --> 0:23:18.320
<v Speaker 2>used ink on a running roll of paper, its pulse

0:23:18.359 --> 0:23:23.439
<v Speaker 2>tracings were visible immediately. Lewis also noted that at this point,

0:23:23.720 --> 0:23:28.040
<v Speaker 2>treatment for suspected cardiac issues was the same regardless of

0:23:28.080 --> 0:23:31.200
<v Speaker 2>whether a person had been given an electric cardiogram or not.

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<v Speaker 2>As the technology improved, though, Lewis updated his opinion, saying, quote,

0:23:36.880 --> 0:23:39.960
<v Speaker 2>the time is at hand, if not already come, when

0:23:39.960 --> 0:23:43.280
<v Speaker 2>an examination of the heart is incomplete, if this new

0:23:43.359 --> 0:23:48.080
<v Speaker 2>method is neglected. Eindoven was still making new discoveries, and

0:23:48.200 --> 0:23:52.080
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen twelve he described his system of three leads

0:23:52.160 --> 0:23:56.600
<v Speaker 2>as an equilateral triangle that the concept known as Eindhoven's

0:23:56.600 --> 0:24:00.720
<v Speaker 2>triangle today. His written work on this it was probably

0:24:00.760 --> 0:24:04.080
<v Speaker 2>the first use in writing of the abbreviation EKG.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen eighteen, physician and professor James Herrick of Chicago

0:24:10.520 --> 0:24:14.159
<v Speaker 1>demonstrated that it was possible to use an ECG to

0:24:14.280 --> 0:24:19.480
<v Speaker 1>diagnose a myocardial infarction commonly called a heart attack. American

0:24:19.520 --> 0:24:24.400
<v Speaker 1>cardiologist Harold Party published work on diagnosing coronary artery obstructions

0:24:24.680 --> 0:24:29.400
<v Speaker 1>through electric cardiograms in nineteen twenty. In nineteen twenty four,

0:24:29.600 --> 0:24:33.239
<v Speaker 1>Villain Einsoven was awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology or

0:24:33.280 --> 0:24:37.600
<v Speaker 1>Medicine for his discovery of the mechanism of the electro cardiogram.

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<v Speaker 1>The presentation speech made it clear that this award was

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<v Speaker 1>not only about Eindhoven's development of the electro cardiograph device.

0:24:47.760 --> 0:24:52.280
<v Speaker 1>It was also about his interpretations of the electro cardiograms,

0:24:52.720 --> 0:24:57.720
<v Speaker 1>what pqrs and T each corresponded to in a beating heart,

0:24:58.040 --> 0:25:02.000
<v Speaker 1>and how to identify so many different disorders and diseases

0:25:02.000 --> 0:25:05.560
<v Speaker 1>of the heart through the analysis and interpretation of that

0:25:05.680 --> 0:25:10.880
<v Speaker 1>one wave. Other researchers had offered other methods of interpretation,

0:25:11.080 --> 0:25:14.400
<v Speaker 1>but in the words of the award speech quote, Eintoven's

0:25:14.440 --> 0:25:17.960
<v Speaker 1>concept is the only one which has proved to be tenable.

0:25:18.880 --> 0:25:22.240
<v Speaker 1>The Nobel prize came with a monetary award that Eintoven

0:25:22.280 --> 0:25:25.119
<v Speaker 1>wanted to split with his assistant, who had worked with

0:25:25.200 --> 0:25:27.280
<v Speaker 1>him during the early years of his work and the

0:25:27.320 --> 0:25:31.639
<v Speaker 1>development of this device. His name was von Deiverd. Vondiverd

0:25:31.680 --> 0:25:35.679
<v Speaker 1>had died, though, and Eintoven instead divided the forty thousand

0:25:35.720 --> 0:25:39.080
<v Speaker 1>dollars prize money with Vondiverd's two sisters, who had been

0:25:39.119 --> 0:25:43.440
<v Speaker 1>living in poverty. Three years later, on September twenty ninth,

0:25:43.520 --> 0:25:48.560
<v Speaker 1>nineteen twenty seven, Billem Eintoven died of cancer. Also in

0:25:48.640 --> 0:25:53.040
<v Speaker 1>nineteen twenty seven, Japanese physician Tarro Takem developed the first

0:25:53.200 --> 0:25:58.520
<v Speaker 1>portable ECG machine. Two years later, the Sanborn Company of Waltham,

0:25:58.600 --> 0:26:03.399
<v Speaker 1>Massachusetts released the Sanborn Visocardiac, which was a portable version

0:26:03.440 --> 0:26:06.040
<v Speaker 1>that could print the results immediately on a roll of

0:26:06.080 --> 0:26:09.679
<v Speaker 1>paper that weighed about twenty six pounds or twelve kilograms,

0:26:09.680 --> 0:26:13.119
<v Speaker 1>and it was powered by a car battery. In nineteen

0:26:13.160 --> 0:26:18.240
<v Speaker 1>thirty four, physiologist Frank N. Wilson started working on standardizing

0:26:18.280 --> 0:26:22.399
<v Speaker 1>the use and placement of electrodes and leads. He realized

0:26:22.440 --> 0:26:25.439
<v Speaker 1>that the typical three lead system left some areas of

0:26:25.440 --> 0:26:28.840
<v Speaker 1>the heart that weren't fully represented in the ECG wave.

0:26:29.720 --> 0:26:33.560
<v Speaker 1>He added another lead, described as an exploring lead, which

0:26:33.600 --> 0:26:36.600
<v Speaker 1>could be used along with the three standard leads to

0:26:36.680 --> 0:26:40.040
<v Speaker 1>read the electrical activity of specific parts of the heart.

0:26:41.040 --> 0:26:45.160
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't pinpoint exactly when these machines moved away from

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<v Speaker 1>having people put their hands and feet in buckets of saline,

0:26:48.400 --> 0:26:51.840
<v Speaker 1>but these exploratory leads typically went somewhere on the chest,

0:26:52.000 --> 0:26:55.280
<v Speaker 1>so they would have used surface electrodes at some point,

0:26:55.280 --> 0:26:59.240
<v Speaker 1>though ECG's did start to use only electrodes that were

0:26:59.280 --> 0:27:03.800
<v Speaker 1>placed on the body. Today, these are usually little adhesive discs.

0:27:04.600 --> 0:27:08.120
<v Speaker 1>By the nineteen thirties, it had become clear that ECGs

0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:11.359
<v Speaker 1>could be used to help diagnose whether a patient's chest

0:27:11.440 --> 0:27:15.879
<v Speaker 1>pain had a cardiac or non cardiac cause. In nineteen

0:27:15.920 --> 0:27:20.520
<v Speaker 1>thirty five, Boston physicians Sylvester McGinn and Paul White published

0:27:20.560 --> 0:27:24.159
<v Speaker 1>work describing changes in ECG readings that were apparent in

0:27:24.240 --> 0:27:29.760
<v Speaker 1>patients who were experiencing an acute pulmonary embolism. These changes

0:27:29.800 --> 0:27:32.160
<v Speaker 1>are now known as the m again White pattern.

0:27:33.080 --> 0:27:36.159
<v Speaker 2>In nineteen thirty eight, the American Heart Association and the

0:27:36.200 --> 0:27:40.520
<v Speaker 2>Cardiac Society of Great Britain tried to standardize the placements

0:27:40.520 --> 0:27:44.240
<v Speaker 2>of that exploratory lead that had been introduced about four

0:27:44.320 --> 0:27:49.320
<v Speaker 2>years before. They recommended six specific sites, now known as

0:27:49.440 --> 0:27:52.320
<v Speaker 2>V one to V six. These are called the pre

0:27:52.440 --> 0:27:57.080
<v Speaker 2>cordial leads or the chest leads today. In nineteen forty two,

0:27:57.320 --> 0:28:01.719
<v Speaker 2>New York cardiologist Emmanuel Goldberger also worked with the number

0:28:01.840 --> 0:28:05.199
<v Speaker 2>and types of leads, and that started moving toward the

0:28:05.400 --> 0:28:10.080
<v Speaker 2>twelve lead electro cardiogram that is most commonly used today.

0:28:10.440 --> 0:28:13.480
<v Speaker 2>There are also other numbers of leads that are used

0:28:13.480 --> 0:28:16.800
<v Speaker 2>for particular purposes, but like the most common standard in

0:28:16.840 --> 0:28:21.920
<v Speaker 2>a medical setting today is twelve leads. In nineteen forty eight,

0:28:22.080 --> 0:28:26.480
<v Speaker 2>Swedish engineer Runa Emquist, who had also trained as a physician,

0:28:26.960 --> 0:28:31.080
<v Speaker 2>developed the first inkjet ECG printer. He would also go

0:28:31.160 --> 0:28:33.080
<v Speaker 2>on to be a big part of the development of

0:28:33.119 --> 0:28:38.240
<v Speaker 2>the first implantable pacemaker. By the nineteen fifties, researchers were

0:28:38.240 --> 0:28:43.120
<v Speaker 2>working on finding ways to automate ECG readings. The development

0:28:43.200 --> 0:28:47.480
<v Speaker 2>of automated readings also made other life saving developments possible,

0:28:47.720 --> 0:28:52.800
<v Speaker 2>like automated external defibrillators, which automatically diagnose arrhythmias and then

0:28:52.880 --> 0:28:57.200
<v Speaker 2>deliver shocks only when they are warranted. Today, a lot

0:28:57.240 --> 0:29:03.440
<v Speaker 2>of ECGs are automatically analyzed before being reviewed by cardiologists, internists,

0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:08.080
<v Speaker 2>primary care doctors, or other medical professionals. The automation of

0:29:08.160 --> 0:29:11.960
<v Speaker 2>ECG readings was possible thanks to the advent of computers

0:29:12.000 --> 0:29:15.600
<v Speaker 2>and microprocessors, which have continued to have a huge role

0:29:15.640 --> 0:29:20.080
<v Speaker 2>in making electric cardiograph machines much smaller and easier to use.

0:29:20.840 --> 0:29:25.280
<v Speaker 2>In nineteen fifty seven, American biophysicist Norman Jeffrey's Halter developed

0:29:25.280 --> 0:29:29.360
<v Speaker 2>the dynamic ECG, often known as the Halter ECG or

0:29:29.400 --> 0:29:32.520
<v Speaker 2>a Halter monitor, which is a portable device that can

0:29:32.560 --> 0:29:37.720
<v Speaker 2>continually monitor a patient's heart for twenty four hours or more. Today,

0:29:37.880 --> 0:29:41.240
<v Speaker 2>Holter monitors are wearable devices, weighing a couple of pounds

0:29:41.280 --> 0:29:44.760
<v Speaker 2>at most, but they initially weighed about eighty three pounds

0:29:44.880 --> 0:29:47.520
<v Speaker 2>or thirty eight kilograms and had to be worn like

0:29:47.600 --> 0:29:52.800
<v Speaker 2>a huge heavy backpack. Magneto cardiograms were introduced in nineteen

0:29:52.880 --> 0:29:56.640
<v Speaker 2>sixty three, which could record heart rhythms without the patient

0:29:56.760 --> 0:30:01.160
<v Speaker 2>needing to have electrodes on their body. Very expensive, though,

0:30:01.200 --> 0:30:04.880
<v Speaker 2>so they never really took off. That same year, American

0:30:04.920 --> 0:30:08.600
<v Speaker 2>cardiologist Robert A. Bruce developed a protocol to record a

0:30:08.680 --> 0:30:12.720
<v Speaker 2>person's cardiac signals while they did progressively more intense exercise

0:30:12.760 --> 0:30:16.200
<v Speaker 2>on a treadmill that today is known as the Bruce protocol.

0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:21.040
<v Speaker 1>And of course, ECGs have continued to evolve with changes

0:30:21.080 --> 0:30:24.920
<v Speaker 1>in technology. By nineteen ninety nine, there were twelve lead

0:30:24.960 --> 0:30:30.160
<v Speaker 1>ECGs that could send their results directly to handheld computers. Today,

0:30:30.280 --> 0:30:33.760
<v Speaker 1>there are a range of consumer ECG devices that are tiny,

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<v Speaker 1>everything from the ECG function on an Apple Watch to

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<v Speaker 1>a device the size of a credit card that communicates

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<v Speaker 1>with an app, to home devices that can record an

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<v Speaker 1>ECG and also measure a person's blood pressure. There are

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<v Speaker 1>pros and cons to all of these, a big one

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<v Speaker 1>being that while a twelve lead ECG is considered standard

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<v Speaker 1>in medical settings today, most of these home use models

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<v Speaker 1>only use one or two leads. The device or app

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<v Speaker 1>also typically interprets the ECG automatically and displays the results,

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<v Speaker 1>and that can lead to various false negatives or false positives.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're me and you have an Apple Watch, it

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<v Speaker 2>could also be that the Apple to Watch just incessantly

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<v Speaker 2>starts over telling you like cycling through all the things

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<v Speaker 2>that thinks you're doing wrong, rather than ever fully recording

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<v Speaker 2>the ECG I've done a lot of troubleshooting on that

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<v Speaker 2>that has not been successful. I also have some listener

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<v Speaker 2>mail that is also somewhat medical related.

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<v Speaker 1>It is from Edith.

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<v Speaker 2>Edith says, Hi, Holly and Tracy. I've been wanting to

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<v Speaker 2>write forever, but never had anything I thought worthy of

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<v Speaker 2>writing about until now. So this will probably be a

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<v Speaker 2>combination of things I didn't think worthy but still want

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<v Speaker 2>to say, and a story. First of all, I'm writing

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<v Speaker 2>this while in the airport on a way from Boston

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<v Speaker 2>to Atlanta, which I find kind of funny and coincidental.

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<v Speaker 2>On my drive to the airport, I was listening to

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<v Speaker 2>the behind the scenes following the tetanus episode. More on

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<v Speaker 2>this later. That's the story, first of all, as a

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<v Speaker 2>fifty year old former theater kid who loves to sew,

0:32:06.280 --> 0:32:08.680
<v Speaker 2>has far too much clothing and too many pairs of shoes,

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<v Speaker 2>and doesn't like my body to be unexpectedly exposed to unpleasantness.

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<v Speaker 2>Slippers for the wind, Holly, I see you now. I

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<v Speaker 2>have to thank you for your unintentional PSA. I just

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<v Speaker 2>turned fifty in April and really had not thought about vaccinations.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I still think and maybe act like I'm thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>But when you all mentioned that we, yes, us are

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<v Speaker 2>of an age where we probably only got one measle shot,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, huh, I did not know that, So

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<v Speaker 2>now I know to ask about that at my next physical.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks. Okay, okay, finally the story and the behind the scenes.

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<v Speaker 1>You both told stories about extra tetanus shots, so I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to tell you about mine. I was in high

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<v Speaker 1>school in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and I did crew. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>we rowed on the Charles River. One day when we

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<v Speaker 1>were putting the boats away, I somehow got caught in

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<v Speaker 1>a bad spot going around the corner and ended up

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<v Speaker 1>in the water. Now I know that the.

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<v Speaker 2>Charles isn't thought of as very clean now, but back then,

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<v Speaker 2>well the things you would see floating there were bad.

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<v Speaker 2>So I fell in and that's how I ended up

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<v Speaker 2>getting a tetanus booster. I will pause and say that

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<v Speaker 2>the title of this email is love that dirty Water, Boston,

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<v Speaker 2>You're My Home, which is of course a song lyric reference,

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<v Speaker 2>referencing also the very dirtiness of both the.

0:33:23.400 --> 0:33:25.360
<v Speaker 1>Charles and Boston Harbor at that time.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, the email continues, anyway, I don't have any pets,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm attaching a variety of collected animal pictures, including

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<v Speaker 2>a pig video, some horses from our neighbor's farm, an

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<v Speaker 2>old picture of my daughter and my brother in law's

0:33:38.440 --> 0:33:40.600
<v Speaker 2>old dog, and a current picture of my daughter on

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<v Speaker 2>a horse wor comparison. Thank you for all you do

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<v Speaker 2>as a former Medford resident. For the statement at the

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<v Speaker 2>beginning of the latest Unearthed episode, love you guys. I

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<v Speaker 2>tried but failed to keep it short, Edith, Edith, I

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<v Speaker 2>love this email. Regarding vaccinations. We had talked in I

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<v Speaker 2>think behind the scenes on the show about how I

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<v Speaker 2>was turning fifty. I knew that I meant that meant

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<v Speaker 2>that I was going to need to go and get

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<v Speaker 2>some vaccines that are recommended at the age of fifty.

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<v Speaker 2>I did do that those vaccines were shingles in newmacocle pneumonia.

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<v Speaker 2>I did both of those at the same time, because

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<v Speaker 2>somehow I thought that the people saying that sometimes the

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<v Speaker 2>shingles vaccine can make you feel a little unwell, I

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<v Speaker 2>just thought that might not apply to me, because I

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<v Speaker 2>am not known to have ever actually had chicken box,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is recommended at the age of fifty. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>I did feel I felt unwell. Still much better than

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<v Speaker 2>getting shingles or pneumonia. So yeah, that's done. I will

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<v Speaker 2>need shot two of the shingles shot a little bit later. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>lots of great animal pictures. Man, I love horse pictures.

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<v Speaker 2>They're so beautiful. Are a horse and a fold just

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<v Speaker 2>running through a field? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Great? Is that?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I'll watch the big video while we

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<v Speaker 2>are sitting here.

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<v Speaker 1>I love a little pig action. You just reminded me

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<v Speaker 1>of the funniest thing I've ever seen a pig do

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<v Speaker 1>just now, have you ever seen a pig eat spaghetti? No,

0:35:14.440 --> 0:35:22.200
<v Speaker 1>our mutual friend, who is often prone to wacky high jinks,

0:35:23.120 --> 0:35:26.799
<v Speaker 1>briefly had a pig. I don't remember how she came

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<v Speaker 1>in to possession of the pig. She only had it

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<v Speaker 1>a brief period of time while she was rehoming it

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<v Speaker 1>and trying to find somebody that actually had like acreage

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<v Speaker 1>that they could raise a pig on. But in the meantime,

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<v Speaker 1>she and her amazing mother were just trying to keep

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<v Speaker 1>the pig fed and happy, and her mother started regularly

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<v Speaker 1>making the pig plates of spaghetti. It was the cutest

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<v Speaker 1>thing I ever saw in my life. I'm imagining what

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<v Speaker 1>it would look like, and it does seem very cute.

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<v Speaker 1>We were tiny at the time. He was still a piglet,

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<v Speaker 1>and so he would get the spaghetti all wound around

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<v Speaker 1>his snout and then try to chase it around the

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<v Speaker 1>house trying to get the spaghett Yeah. I wish this

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<v Speaker 1>were like a required thing that everybody could see in

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<v Speaker 1>their life because it brings so much joy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because I am a fan of Game Changer, I

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<v Speaker 2>am imagining this pig wearing a tiny hat while eating

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<v Speaker 2>the he was not, so thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 2>this email, Edith, the Charles River is a lot cleaner

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<v Speaker 2>than it used to be. As somebody who moved to

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<v Speaker 2>the Boston area from elsewhere, I have a fondness for

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<v Speaker 2>seeing people rowing out on the river. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how local people feel about the rowers. I'm always a

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<v Speaker 2>little happy when I'm usually on the tee and I

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<v Speaker 2>go over the bridge and I'm like, oh, people rowing

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