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Speaker 1: Coming to you live from the Cross Country Mortgage Campus

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Speaker 1: in Barrie, Ohio. This is Cleveland Browns Daily, brought to

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Speaker 1: fifty ESPN Cleveland. Here are your hosts, Bo Bishop and

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Speaker 1: Nathan Zegura.

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Speaker 2: Alright, ls Sue live on a Draft week Monday edition.

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Speaker 2: Merely Bo the Great Sea. How are you living, buddy,

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Speaker 2: I'm good man.

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Speaker 3: How are you doing?

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Speaker 2: Not bad?

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Speaker 4: Not bad?

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Speaker 3: At least the sun's out today. That's nice.

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Speaker 2: It was really cold yesterday, I'll tell you, very cold.

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Speaker 2: I was at the Guardians game yesterday. I saw and

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Speaker 2: Boods prominently featured dominant on the viola blass, the strings,

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Speaker 2: the middle school strings played the national anthems.

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Speaker 3: That's fantastic. And the Ace who still wear those beautiful

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Speaker 3: gray Oakland script uniforms that McGuire Canseco.

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Speaker 2: Wore lineup looked similar to the McGuire Canseco I believe.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not trying to exaggerate, but I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 3: three of their nine I guess with the DH three

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Speaker 3: of their ten hitters, yeah, were batting more than two

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Speaker 3: hundred batting over to him. There was a lot of

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Speaker 3: one seventy one sixty and they're dreadful.

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Speaker 2: I would say that that you and I have done

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Speaker 2: it many times, like the idea that I can still

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Speaker 2: lame that lineup even though they were not my team,

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Speaker 2: and I could go around and have it. Almost everyone

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Speaker 2: on that lineup hit over two seventy five, yeah, many

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Speaker 2: over three hundreds. I don't think they even have Tim

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Speaker 2: Carney Lansford win a batting title hit yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they didn't even have any like most team have,

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Speaker 3: like a star. I don't think they even have.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't tell you one player on their team. They don't.

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Speaker 5: They don't have one prominent name.

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Speaker 2: I don't think.

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Speaker 4: I don't.

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Speaker 2: Like I was at the yesterday and I tell is

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Speaker 2: Barry Zito still play, Mike Mulder, Mark Mulderholder, Jimmy Hudson.

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Speaker 2: It's funny and they're deepots guys. It's funny, like anytime

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Speaker 2: that that showed the U what is that moneyball?

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Speaker 4: Moneyball?

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Speaker 2: That to me is one of the most one of

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Speaker 2: my favorite. I don't if it's on, I will pop

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Speaker 2: in and watch for like a twenty minute stands. I

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Speaker 2: just think it's great. The dialogue and it's so good.

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Speaker 4: It's Sorkin. So it's great.

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Speaker 3: The book's great was a great read.

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Speaker 2: I didn't read it. I probably should. I heard it's great.

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Speaker 2: But the the thing about it that I always am

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Speaker 2: reminded of when like Peyton and I will be watching

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Speaker 2: or whatever NBC and know he gets tired of me

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Speaker 2: always flipp into it if it's on, and he goes,

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Speaker 2: he goes Dan. So I don't understand, like they got

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Speaker 2: rid of good guys and they signed a bunch of

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Speaker 2: not good guys and like sort of, but they also

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Speaker 2: had Hudson Moulder, Zito, ye Rich Harden.

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Speaker 3: They were quite good.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they had the VP and the Cy Young winner

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Speaker 5: the year that movie was about.

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Speaker 2: Correct, Yeah, they don't met. Isn't Eric Shavas still on

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Speaker 2: the team at that point as a job Well, Giambi

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Speaker 2: was gone because Jommy left and.

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Speaker 5: Todda left was on the team in two.

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Speaker 2: Was still there, Chavez was still there. I think both

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Speaker 2: so in the movie like there's no reference, no point of.

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Speaker 5: Reference on Cy Young. Barry Zito a MVP.

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Speaker 3: To Jeremy Giambi was still there for a little while,

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Speaker 3: for a little while, for a little while anyway, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: they are they are unrecognized.

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Speaker 2: You had yourself a quintessential Cleveland sports weekend. Then didn't

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Speaker 2: you did Cavs opener Saturday.

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Speaker 3: YEP, which was a lot of fun good win. I

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Speaker 3: came away from that convinced. It's stunning to me that

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Speaker 3: the magic of the five seed in the East being

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Speaker 3: a team that cannot shoot the basketball. Paulo Bancaro is

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Speaker 3: fun to watch, the Wagner brothers are their fun. Sugs

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Speaker 3: is dreadful, or maybe he was just off that game,

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Speaker 3: but he seemed dreadful. And Gary Harris from Michigan State

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Speaker 3: starts at the two guard. He couldn't hit the broadside

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Speaker 3: I think was like four for sixteen from the floor. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: they're not good. They Calves are going to beat them.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure the Calves are good either.

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Speaker 2: Here's where I am. I think it was probably I'm

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Speaker 2: thrilled for the Calves and they play again tonight seven o'clock.

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Speaker 2: They are going to get the early Saturday and then

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Speaker 2: NBA TV tips because this matchup isn't that attractive. His

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Speaker 4: It's television, I would imagine bad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but this was not a good weekend for the NBA.

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Speaker 2: There are only two games. Of all of the games played,

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Speaker 2: there are only two that were single digit games, Oklahoma

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Speaker 2: City and New Orleans last night and then Nicks and Sixers.

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Speaker 2: That was it. Yeah, everything else was beat down City.

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Speaker 2: So that's not what you want. No, coming out of

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Speaker 2: the gates. He puts a round in a fire.

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Speaker 3: It's yeah, good atmosphere. Jared Allen I like him a lot.

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Speaker 3: Just plays basketball the right way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you become your guys. Like that's like a very

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Speaker 2: Paedro line right there. Played basketball the right way he does.

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Speaker 3: He's just he does.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 3: You just look up and all of a sudden he's

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Speaker 3: got like sixteen and sixteen and you're like, it's so

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Speaker 3: But then he's a monster on the boards there. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it is hard, and I think for people who have

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Speaker 3: playoff game and you see Niang play and you're like,

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Speaker 3: I feel like I could take that guy in the

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Speaker 3: rec league, And obviously I know that I can't. I

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Speaker 3: know that nobody else can. I've seen all the videos

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Speaker 3: of you know, Salabrini going and just annihilating college players

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Speaker 3: and things like that. But it's crazy that he it

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Speaker 3: seems crazy that he plays significant men like he's well, it's.

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Speaker 2: Become a Jimmy I renewable, it's become a specific skill,

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Speaker 2: elite trade league. What's his elite trade Probably the combination

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Speaker 2: of length and inability to shoot it.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, the allergies are crazy.

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Speaker 3: He's a rabble rouser. I think he's like, are a

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Speaker 3: on him when they're I'm pretty sure he got called

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Speaker 3: you so craziness. He's got like Mo Wagner level of

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Speaker 3: like Shenanigans, Yeah, because that's what that's Mo Wagner's game.

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Speaker 3: But Mo Wagner is actually kind of skilled.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty good.

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Speaker 2: I don't I this would be it'd be disingenuous for

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Speaker 2: me to give you a scouting report.

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Speaker 3: I thought you might know them because they played the

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Speaker 3: Wagners played in Michigan.

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Speaker 2: No, no, I know Wagner. I don't know the situation. I

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Speaker 3: Struce needs the Bambuce could be like rex Strus has

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Speaker 2: But he doesn't get he doesn't get hops.

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Speaker 3: I think he's he's got a bum knee right now.

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Speaker 3: So no, but he's got the shooting and the floating

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I I just ran out of head space for it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So I'm going to engage in the Association or the

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Speaker 3: I have a pretty good That's that's all you need.

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Speaker 4: And this this whole series, the whole operation.

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Speaker 2: Good good scouting report out of you. Yeah, yeah, very good.

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Speaker 2: I had a great deal of lacrosse this weekend. So

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Speaker 2: I was in Columbus for three games with NBC on Saturday,

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Speaker 2: it for what I'm about to tell you. So this

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Speaker 2: three equal teams. But then in sixth grade, let you go.

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Speaker 2: So we're playing the team that beat us a lot,

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Speaker 2: and it's tight game, really good game, like two two.

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Speaker 2: right delayed penalty. Now I don't know enough about the

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Speaker 2: sport to know this part, but apparently there's a rule

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Speaker 2: to which point the coach says, you'll never work in

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Speaker 2: rolls out our referee shirt, to which point the kids

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Speaker 4: That it would be.

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Speaker 2: It would take quite a bit of onions to then

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Speaker 2: you when you know that's the look, and I will.

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Speaker 2: So there's a great deal of yelling back. One of

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Speaker 2: my one of my buddies is like.

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Speaker 4: Hey, I'll do it, I'll ref it.

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Speaker 2: Like, so that's all going on. I'm going, oh my god,

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Speaker 2: what are we doing? This is four forty five on

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Speaker 2: a Sunday night. Oh dude, it's I'm not even gonna

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Speaker 2: tell you, sorry, what happened earlier in the day.

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Speaker 3: At the other bit, I don't know that perhaps so

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Speaker 3: it was a block. I don't know that I'd be

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Speaker 2: Let alone to power five, let alone to that to

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Speaker 4: All right?

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Speaker 2: How do you how do you do this?

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Speaker 3: So I'm literally I have them pulled up right now.

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Speaker 4: Good job with you.

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Speaker 2: What are these triangles? They represent elevation? I mean, I

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Speaker 2: That's what they're supposed to be.

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Speaker 2: The Classic did not drop right away. Okay, so they

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Speaker 2: I think they knew. I think they knew before they

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: This is when you have these little focus on all

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Speaker 3: the cross the cross color stitching is emblematic of blue

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Speaker 4: It just it just is.

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Speaker 3: It just is a good uniform, and it doesn't need

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Speaker 3: They are horrific. They are those are horrific. They are

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Speaker 3: just stop wearing the other ones for the foreseeable future.

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Speaker 2: So I think that's what will happen, don't you.

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Speaker 2: They're gone. He's not gonna be like, oh we just no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: You're stuck for five years or whatever. You never wear

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Speaker 3: I mean, they are really really bad.

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Speaker 3: And then this is what you come up with.

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Speaker 2: I think you know, I'm guessing this started happening with

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00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:04,280
Speaker 2: the new ownership, right, so you want to have your

436
00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,240
Speaker 2: stamp on things. But I think this is the disconnect

437
00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:11,560
Speaker 2: that happens is you buy something and you think, well,

438
00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,800
Speaker 2: I want this to represent us, and there, look, there

439
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,840
Speaker 2: should be some leader, a big celebration. Well, it will

440
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,680
Speaker 2: be well attended. Coach will not be well attended to

441
00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:21,720
Speaker 2: launch party, and this is not going to go well.

442
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:29,800
Speaker 2: And but the reality is is that a a sports franchise,

443
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:35,199
Speaker 2: the heart of it belongs to the fans, really belongs

444
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,560
Speaker 2: to the city and the fans. You own it for

445
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,320
Speaker 2: a period of time, sometimes it's a long time, sometimes

446
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,480
Speaker 2: it's a short time, but the heart of it is

447
00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,000
Speaker 2: to the region, to the fans of the city. That's

448
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,280
Speaker 2: who owns it. And the idea that you would do

449
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:53,639
Speaker 2: something like this without doing some sort of focus group,

450
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 2: wouldn't you just be wouldn't be as simple as like

451
00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 2: just to season ticket hit members, what are what would

452
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 2: you like? The Broncos to look like. If the Broncos

453
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:04,719
Speaker 2: were to get new uniforms, what would you like them

454
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:11,399
Speaker 2: to look like? Same Mecklenburg Lway nineties old school with

455
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 2: the blue hat, with the whatever, the new ones or

456
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:20,200
Speaker 2: a modern, new, fresh take on the Denver Broncos. And

457
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 2: then why wouldn't you do that? Because you come in,

458
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 2: you buy the team, you don't know it. What do

459
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 2: you know about it? You're you're not even from the area.

460
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 2: What do you know about the history? You're learning it

461
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 2: on the fly, Like the Denver Broncos should look like

462
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 2: the damn Denver Broncos. This is so bad, not like

463
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 2: some amalgamation of UTEP and Illinois and Virginia and stee.

464
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,160
Speaker 3: It's just like the helmet stripe. There's no stripping the front.

465
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 3: Then on the back it's like a bunch of little triangles,

466
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 3: the numbers with their little it's The sleeve cap represents

467
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 3: a mountain peak created from the line work in the

468
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 3: jaw of our primary Broncos logo and highlights our rugged terrain.

469
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,919
Speaker 3: The brighter contrasted semi circle above represents the sun rising

470
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,119
Speaker 3: and setting that's supposed to be the sun rising and

471
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 3: setting behind the mountain peak. As the dawn of a

472
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 3: new day. No, it looks like a lightning bolt with

473
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 3: like an orange cap above it.

474
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's It reminds me when the Jets

475
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,640
Speaker 2: did it. This is you just went what are you doing?

476
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 3: It's an f I think they think it was good.

477
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 3: They have these whole video had a two minute video.

478
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 2: Dude, the other thing was crazy. The Ford Bronco is

479
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 2: prominently featured in both of the videos. Yeah, there's an

480
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 2: old school Bronco and there's a new one that's prominently

481
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 2: featured in both the videos. Are you named after the

482
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 2: vehicle or the horse?

483
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:35,400
Speaker 3: The horse?

484
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 2: It was always assumption was a horse as a vehicle

485
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,679
Speaker 2: is belongs the Ford Motor Company.

486
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:45,479
Speaker 3: Who owned the Lions. Correctly, it's a great like if

487
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 3: there's some of the Ford, it's it's the Lions do

488
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 3: Ford things.

489
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, they even fire up a Mustang. They did it

490
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 2: last year.

491
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 7: This is.

492
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 2: It's wild.

493
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 4: How bad.

494
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 3: I mean that is a huge, huge They have to

495
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 3: be getting panned right, like, oh my god, just look

496
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 3: at the mentions. Well the mentions are man, but I'm

497
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 3: talking about like Uni Watch and all that stuff.

498
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're all crushing them. Yeah, they're all crushing them.

499
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

500
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of those things. I do have a

501
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 2: feeling they knew, though. I think that's why they held

502
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 2: back the Classic. The Classic was like, Okay, we know

503
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 2: you're not going to like these. Let these be in

504
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 2: the in the air for a little while and then

505
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 2: let's we'll do the Classic, and I know you're gonna

506
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 2: love these. That's my hunch, because the Classic is perfect.

507
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,719
Speaker 2: It's a perfect uniform. That's what you want to look

508
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 2: like it.

509
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really wild.

510
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 2: Nostalgia is potent, man, Yes, and uniform is short for uniformity.

511
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 2: You need to look the way you're supposed to look.

512
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 2: Think about how how universally favored this thing was right, Yeah,

513
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 2: with a with a white face mask.

514
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 4: Yeah?

515
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 2: Why because it'licits good memories? Good? Right? That alone, the

516
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,719
Speaker 2: fact that it looks good, it'll lis it's good memories.

517
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 2: Don't make this harder than it needs to be. Folks. Yeah,

518
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 2: they've got to get the ambassador cool out there, getting

519
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 2: serious pro bono work to sort it out.

520
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:11,439
Speaker 4: Make it right.

521
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 2: That's a bad deal. Who know you play for a

522
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 2: Chipper tonight? Yep, give me a scouting.

523
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 5: Report playing against Team Orange.

524
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 2: This is the this is the ringer who was brought in.

525
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,679
Speaker 5: Yeah, our heated rivals at this point, and they've got them.

526
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 5: I mean they're very talented.

527
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:26,880
Speaker 2: Have you played them yet?

528
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, we played them in the last week of the

529
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 5: season and we did win. Score I think it was

530
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:32,360
Speaker 5: fifty five to fifty four.

531
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 4: Oh my god.

532
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 5: So this is gonna be a it's gonna be a battle.

533
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 3: It's a barn burner.

534
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

535
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 2: Taking at the place at the indoor.

536
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 5: Where do you play the indoor?

537
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 4: Yep?

538
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 5: Wow, six o'clock.

539
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 2: Don't we have all the weights in there?

540
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 4: How do they get Yeah?

541
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 3: What do they do for the field? Do you guys

542
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 3: go like one way cross?

543
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 5: We go from the forty five to the end zone,

544
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 5: So we just avoid the weights and we only go

545
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,880
Speaker 5: one way. So we just you can only score away

546
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 5: from whre the weight room is.

547
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 4: Got it? Okay? All right?

548
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 3: So it's a forty five yard field.

549
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, so that there's no running into.

550
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 2: One first down or no first downs too, you can

551
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 2: get two first downs.

552
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 5: And yeah, I think he's changing it next year.

553
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gotta be one. We were talking four place

554
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 2: to get to the twenty four place to score.

555
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 5: It's right now. It's at the thirty and the fifteen

556
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 5: you get first downs, and we're changing that. I don't

557
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:13,360
Speaker 5: think that that's.

558
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 2: Start at the forty ye and one four place to

559
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 2: get to the twenty four place.

560
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 5: To sco think total that's much. It's too easy to

561
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 5: get the second one first down.

562
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 2: That's fine too Canadian rules. Yeah, yeah, it's so total

563
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 2: is six offensive plays? Yeah yeah, yeah, you could do eight.

564
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 3: I mean I was saying, if you wanted to keep

565
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 3: it fifteen fifteen to fifteen, but you can't get more

566
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 3: than three places.

567
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 2: I just get one first down, that's yeah. That may

568
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 2: and plus that would take some of your scoring away

569
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 2: because it would force more action down field to go

570
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 2: to twenty yards to get a first down. We have

571
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 2: to you'll get one.

572
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 3: The problem is they'd have to make it a forty

573
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 3: yard field instead of a forty five.

574
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 2: That's what I said. Just start at the forty yeah,

575
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 2: and then.

576
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 5: Go there's not enough turnovers on downs. If you either

577
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,719
Speaker 5: score or it's an interception, that's really the only two

578
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 5: options down that it's.

579
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 2: Exactly bad much. That's all that is.

580
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 1: Uh.

581
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 2: If you guys win tonight, the reason why will be.

582
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 5: I think we just have to we just can't turn

583
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 5: them all over. That's the big key. I know that

584
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 5: that's basic. But we did that a lot last week

585
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 5: and it should have cost us and it didn't. If

586
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,199
Speaker 5: we do that again, we're not going to win.

587
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 2: If you lose tonight, it will because of turnovers.

588
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 5: Probably, or we let people get behind our zones. They're

589
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 5: they're super talented Ringer. If he gets behind us, it's over.

590
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to bracket him. Yeah, this is the

591
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 2: draft week. It wild. It is wild. Like you think about,

592
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 2: like how you and I were primed in the early

593
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 2: years of this program when we had the first round

594
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 2: pick everything we like, well, the predating me it.

595
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 3: Was debates about Jared Goff and Carson Wentz by the way,

596
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 3: that was right, nailed it, nailed it. Yeah, fights on

597
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 3: whether or not we should take Secon Barkley one and

598
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 3: overall right, and then just let the quarterback come to us. No,

599
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 3: not again, not now. I just with these guys, I

600
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 3: don't even need to do the research. It doesn't really matter,

601
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 3: especially and we don't before like you. Yeah, I mean,

602
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 3: it's they're gonna figure out Ford there is how about it?

603
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 2: How about it? Well, well, yeah, there's a the other

604
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 2: thing is is when you're not in the market to

605
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 2: draft a quarterback, it's the one thing. It's the one

606
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 2: position in the draft that anybody can have an opinion on,

607
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 2: just because it's the easiest to have an opinion on it.

608
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 2: But like, even when we were doing the tackle thing

609
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 2: and we took Jed, like, I'm just like, who.

610
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 4: Does haff like?

611
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 2: I'm not, I don't know this.

612
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 4: I'm sure who does haff like?

613
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 2: If if that's who haff likes, then that's fine.

614
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 3: Is he half endorsed, that's it?

615
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 2: If so, But it's it is, it's it's kind of

616
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 2: a it is a little bit of a it's just

617
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 2: so different in this is our third straight year of

618
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 2: this where you don't when you don't have one and

619
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 2: you're just waiting around to pick in the second I've

620
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 2: had so many people come up to me, well what

621
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 2: are we gonna do? What are we looking at? And

622
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 2: they'll drop like these names, you know, some receiver out

623
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 2: of here, some offensive tackle out of here, some defensive

624
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 2: tackle out of here, And I'm like, look my hunches

625
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 2: that ab will just be loyal to his board, and

626
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 2: sure they're he if it is an elite position, that

627
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 2: is what they consider a premier position in the sport. Yeah,

628
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 2: that would probably where they're leaning. But if somebody up

629
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 2: with elite traits drops them at fifty four, I think

630
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 2: they take it.

631
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 3: Yeah like they I don't know that they were necessarily

632
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 3: looking for Jokay that year, but they loved j Okay. Yeah,

633
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 3: as they ran a million simulations, coring to Paul d

634
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 3: But I said they didn't end up with Newsom and Jokay,

635
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 3: But no, then they did, so Yeah, they're all there be.

636
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 3: I think that you're Browns fans. You are free to

637
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 3: watch whatever on Thursday. If you want to watch a

638
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 3: draft to consume it, that's fine. You're not gonna get

639
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 3: any Browns, any Browns activity in the first round.

640
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 4: No, no, no, not Now.

641
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a fun for around. If you just

642
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 2: like the draft, which I do, it will be a

643
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 2: lot of fun.

644
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 3: I'll be doing the radio that night till midnight here

645
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 3: with Gibbet.

646
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 2: I'll DVR it, you know TV. No, I like to

647
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 2: sometimes I like listening to the radio. I can, yeah,

648
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 2: just po pose it.

649
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, hello, Gibbe, you're gonna be in the car all weekend.

650
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 2: What do I got this weekend? Hopefully there's no more

651
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 2: road rage. Yeah, I've people need to chill out.

652
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 4: I what do I go.

653
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 2: I'm in Sandusky Saturday.

654
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 4: It's a nice drive.

655
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Sandusky Saturday.

656
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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 4: So sounds awful.

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Speaker 2: Oh, boots, he'll be in your neck of the woods

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Speaker 2: making his debut at eleven o'clock on Saturday against the

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Speaker 2: Mighty Tigers or sugarn Falls at the high school. That's

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Speaker 2: his his first game.

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Speaker 3: Get me out from under his yolk and I'll be there.

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Speaker 2: Give it, give him some time. Who gets hurt, let

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Speaker 2: him run over. Watch the kid. It's a spirit antal

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Speaker 2: Oh he's got we got big one tonight. We're doing

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Speaker 2: the He's got the pledge allegiance tonight, big Pledge of Allegiance.

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Speaker 4: Oh that's right.

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Speaker 3: Did he talk about how much like a personal code song?

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Speaker 3: I did?

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Speaker 2: I did tell him that we also have like that?

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Speaker 4: He did? I also have?

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Speaker 2: Uh, this was a big there's a big moment there

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Speaker 2: with the letter.

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Speaker 3: Oh man, look at that smile.

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Speaker 2: Really jacked up, isn't he letter? Yeah that was a

676
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Speaker 2: big hit on that side of things. So yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: he was good.

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Speaker 4: He was good. All right, there you go.

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Speaker 2: estimate dot com for more. This is from Jordan Reed

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Speaker 2: of ESPN.

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Speaker 4: He's good dude.

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Speaker 2: I've had him on many a time. He's outlined a

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Speaker 2: seven round mock. You good, oh baby, seven round mock

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Speaker 2: Michael Hall. That's the same one as you, Gibbet. You

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Speaker 2: had Mike going here right the tackle I believe you

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Speaker 2: did in your mock and Gibbe's mock.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's right.

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Speaker 2: I think you did.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look the positions that I said if I

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Speaker 3: were a Brown sand that I would be focused on

712
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Speaker 3: defensive tackle, offensive tackle, wide receiver, running back, linebacker. That's

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Speaker 3: where the first five picks go for Jordan Reed. So

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Speaker 3: I think he's pretty in tune there with what we're doing.

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Speaker 3: I think that they like the running back room a lot.

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Speaker 3: But I think you have to think about the future

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Speaker 3: as well. We don't know about Nick Chubb, Deontae Foreman,

718
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Speaker 3: Ni naim Heinz are short term solutions. You still have

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Speaker 3: Jerome Ford for two more years on his rookie deal.

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Speaker 3: You still appere Strong for two more years on his

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Speaker 3: rookie deal. But I could see them buttress that room

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Speaker 3: wide receiver. To me, it's about collecting elite skill sets,

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Speaker 3: and I think speed is that skill set that they

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Speaker 3: would be looking for. You've got the bigger bodied receiver

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Speaker 3: right now in Tilman. You have the reliable, kind of

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Speaker 3: choice route runner in Bell, and then you've got the

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Speaker 3: first round first rounder, second early second. You know guys

728
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Speaker 3: that can do everything in Amari, Jerry Judy and Elijah Moore.

729
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Speaker 3: So I think that's what you'd be looking for for

730
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Speaker 3: that wide receiver. I don't know if Taj Washington fits

731
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Speaker 3: that bill, but that would be my guess. And you know,

732
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Speaker 3: you need to tackle now and I think on the

733
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Speaker 3: defensive line, and you're gonna need an offensive tackle I

734
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Speaker 3: think next year to kind of round out that room.

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Speaker 3: So makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 4: It is safety something that we should look at, obviously

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Speaker 4: not for this coming season, but down the road.

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Speaker 2: So this is like Williams is a seventh rounder.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's late.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying, Is there a mean I would know

741
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Speaker 3: that you'd make that team, like I think that room

742
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Speaker 3: dwan Thornhill and Delpit or your starters delput under contract

743
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Speaker 3: for a while. Rodney Mcloud's your third de Anthony Bell

744
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Speaker 3: showed that he can absolutely place that strong safety for you,

745
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Speaker 3: and Rocket Hickman was they feel like they found a

746
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Speaker 3: gem in So you're always looking for competition, you know,

747
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Speaker 3: and maybe it would be somebody who could kind of

748
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Speaker 3: do you know both, But my senses, they're pretty good

749
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Speaker 3: with four safeties for at least a little while.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: You're always succession planning, but I think a seventh round

752
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Speaker 3: safety might have a tough time making this team.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's gonna be some of that throughout the roster.

754
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 3: Well, everybody's gonna have a touch that.

755
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Speaker 2: It's hard. By the way Brogs is battling this week.

756
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Speaker 2: You've been in touch with him, Dan Burglar. Three of

757
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Speaker 2: these are in his mocked us as well, working his throatback.

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Speaker 3: Baby, he lost his voice again. M hm. That happens

759
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Speaker 3: him every year.

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Speaker 4: Is not a not not a good week for that

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Speaker 4: to have.

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Speaker 2: I believe he's got Yeah, I was talking with him

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Speaker 2: this morning.

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Speaker 3: And who does who does he have here?

765
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Speaker 2: Looks like he has Haul, Washington and Davis Okay, so.

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Speaker 3: He's usually pretty dialed in. I don't like the Steelers

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Speaker 3: getting Roman Wilson at all out of Michigan. I don't

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Speaker 3: like that one bit.

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Speaker 2: No, No, they've had it. Unfortunately, they've they've already had

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Speaker 2: a very good offseason.

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Speaker 3: Once we get our be sprinted out, which we should

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Speaker 3: have I'm told by tomorrow, then we'll be able to

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Speaker 3: give you a little bit more.

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Speaker 4: I'll be here till eight o'clock tonight. I'll have plenty

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Speaker 4: of time and print it now.

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Speaker 3: He won't do it.

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Speaker 2: What are you worried about? You're the head, Han Sho.

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Speaker 3: I would like it.

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Speaker 2: I would like it.

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Speaker 3: It's so hard to use. The online version of the

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Speaker 3: Beast is not user friendly. Every time you access it,

782
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Speaker 3: you have to put in that ridiculous password that is yeah,

783
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Speaker 3: so like you have to go back to their website.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

785
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Speaker 3: I wanted to let you save it, and you can't

786
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Speaker 3: save that password even like in notes or something.

787
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Speaker 4: Yes.

788
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Speaker 3: Is annoying.

789
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 2: They have Jordan has the the Bengals taking Byron Murphy

790
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,439
Speaker 2: the defensive tackle out of Texas. They need Detackle help,

791
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 2: so that would make a lot of sense for them.

792
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 2: He's got Baltimore taking defensive end Darius Robinson out of Missouri,

793
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 2: and as you mentioned, Roman Wilson, the wide receiver out

794
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Speaker 2: of Michigan going to the Steelers in the first round

795
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Speaker 2: as well, just out of curiosity, what does who does

796
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Speaker 2: he have? How does he have the first five going?

797
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Speaker 4: Does he have it?

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Speaker 2: Caleb, Caleb, Drake, Jaden.

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Speaker 5: Caleb, Jaden, Drake, Marvin, Joe, all the top five?

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Speaker 2: So he does not have the trade up for JJ McCarthy.

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Speaker 2: He does not, and he has Jaden and Drake flipped

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Speaker 2: from Yep.

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Speaker 5: He's got JJ at eight, Minnesota trading up with Atlanta.

804
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 2: Okay, do you think anyone is he? Do you think

805
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Speaker 2: anyone will it?

806
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 4: Does Denver?

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Speaker 6: Is it?

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Speaker 4: Denver?

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Speaker 2: And Minnesota? Those are your trade up candidates? Maybe the Raiders.

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Speaker 4: This morning Chefter alluded to the g Men maybe being

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Speaker 4: a strong candidate to move up.

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Speaker 2: They just paid dimes.

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Speaker 4: But it's only a three year I believe it's only

814
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Speaker 4: a three year deal.

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Speaker 3: What about the ct ESPN saying that the Chargers are

816
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Speaker 3: trading Justin Herbert to the Vikings and that the hang

817
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 3: up right now is something on his surgically repaired finger.

818
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Speaker 2: What would be the hall for Justin Herbert?

819
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Speaker 3: Like, let's play it out those two ones this same

820
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Speaker 3: you can get more than three ones, so it would

821
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Speaker 3: be three ones that's it.

822
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Speaker 2: For a franchise quarterback, for a twenty five year old

823
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Speaker 2: franchise quarterback.

824
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Speaker 3: Harvad doesn't like them. Geez, I'm just telling you it

825
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Speaker 3: was out there. I think it's crazy.

826
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Speaker 2: Harbaugh loved Herbert. Like to me, like if you the

827
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Speaker 2: only thing that would make sense to me for the

828
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Speaker 2: Charges to trade Herbert would be Bears so that you

829
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Speaker 2: can draft one eight, give me one eight and next

830
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Speaker 2: year's one.

831
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Speaker 4: Maybe Harbaugh wants to be like her go again his guy,

832
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Speaker 4: go get JJ McCarthy franchise.

833
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Speaker 2: If you were the Bears, would you listen?

834
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Speaker 4: Would you do that?

835
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Speaker 2: Let's just while we're having fun and throwing stuff at

836
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 2: the wall. So both ones this year one and what

837
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 2: are they? Nine? One and nine? And next year's one

838
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 2: for Herbert.

839
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Speaker 3: If I really think Caleb, if my evaluation was that

840
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 3: I liked Caleb Williams to be a plus starter in

841
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Speaker 3: the National Football League form my organization, like a top

842
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Speaker 3: fifteen quarterback, then no. If I'm if that my evaluation

843
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 3: is not that, then absolutely. But my hunch is that

844
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Speaker 3: is their evaluation of him.

845
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Speaker 2: All the while acknowledging that evaluations of quarterbacks are tricky

846
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 2: as can be and theirs have been brutal historically for sure.

847
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 2: So would you if you were Kevin Warren, who now

848
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 2: has a lot of power over there, former Big Ten

849
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 2: commission whos a bozo?

850
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 4: Would you.

851
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 2: Would you take the known in Herbert? You gotta pay him.

852
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 3: So here's the thing. If it was a situation where

853
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Speaker 3: like we had just gone to the divisional round even

854
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 3: or the NFC championship game, sure like the Rams when

855
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,240
Speaker 3: they went and traded for Stafford.

856
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, ready made?

857
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't look, they're not even with Herbert. I

858
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 3: still would imagine Detroit would be the favorite in that

859
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 3: division and Green.

860
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 2: DJ Morey of Keenan Allen Yeah, no, they've got talent

861
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 2: Cole Comett, Yeah, good defense.

862
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 3: Then they just get a good running back.

863
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Speaker 4: In this off Swift?

864
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Speaker 2: Right do they have Swift?

865
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Speaker 3: DeAndre Swift?

866
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Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean if that's a playoff team, it's.

867
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Speaker 3: A playoff team. But are they even with Herbert? Would

868
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 3: they be?

869
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Speaker 2: What?

870
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Speaker 3: Would they be? Second in that division preseason?

871
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Speaker 6: Or third?

872
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:19,760
Speaker 3: Because people love Greenback?

873
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 2: Probably second? I think second? Great Herbert, Yeah, I think so.

874
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 6: Well.

875
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Speaker 4: The problem is if you're Herbert, you're like great, Now,

876
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Speaker 4: I got Eberflus, guy, I got another.

877
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Speaker 2: We're just throwing stuff at the wall. I'm just when

878
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Speaker 2: I when you brought up that thing of like trading

879
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 2: all these picks to draft Herbert or to take Herbert,

880
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 2: Like to me, Chicago would be one where like they

881
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 2: or in a situation like Arizona, like if they hated Kyler,

882
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 2: because they have two ones too, So you get their

883
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 2: two ones, you get Kyler, you can have Herbert. Yeah,

884
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 2: if Harbaugh loved Kyler, which I can't imagine that would

885
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 2: be a fit anyway, shape or form.

886
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 3: But that's the Viking taking Herbert. I'm putting them in

887
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 3: a dome. He's got Jefferson and Addison.

888
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 2: Hockey absolutely, but the get the get back for the

889
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 2: Chargers is not there nowhere near enough. I don't think

890
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 2: three ones, no way.

891
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 5: To this.

892
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 2: You better have a dude at quarterback in this league

893
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 2: right now. And they're in the a f C West,

894
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 2: that's right, they're in the division is the champion, and

895
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 2: Herbert's a dude.

896
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 3: Herbert is a dude. They could say, if we could

897
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 3: get you know, decent quarterback play might be second best

898
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 3: in our division because the Broncos have no one.

899
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:30,479
Speaker 2: No, yeah, yeah, I don't know. I think it would

900
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 2: take a lot to pride.

901
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 4: The problem Zigura mentioned it. The problem is you're you're

902
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 4: you're trading for a guy that's no longer on a

903
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:40,439
Speaker 4: rookie pay scale.

904
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 6: Right.

905
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 3: They can. I don't even know if what their affordability

906
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 3: of such a move would be.

907
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 2: Boss man.

908
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's got it.

909
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 2: He's he's locked in.

910
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:53,720
Speaker 3: He has dialed.

911
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, so no, I don't know. To me, it would

912
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 2: just take I think Herbert is from a talent position,

913
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 2: and I know you even like you more than me.

914
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 2: He's he is a franchise lock stock, Like what are

915
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 2: the he didn't even have any warts.

916
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 3: Right, Like, I love him gay, He's unbelievable.

917
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 2: He's healthy, he plays, he's got a hoose.

918
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 3: The game that he played against US in week five

919
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 3: of I want to say the twenty twenty.

920
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:25,439
Speaker 2: Season twenty one, there were fans at that twenty twenty

921
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 2: there Yeah.

922
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 3: Week five, twenty twenty one exactly, So was right after

923
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 3: the Minnesota game, which started some of the Odell stuff. Yeah,

924
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 3: that next week at the game, he ended that was unreal. Yes,

925
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 3: he's unreal for sure, And I was that was I

926
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 3: was sidelined for that unreal Yeah, I think he's I'm

927
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 3: big on him. I mean, I picked him, I love

928
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 3: I love him.

929
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I get it.

930
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 2: So to me, he's he's he's certainly well known.

931
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 4: By the way.

932
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 3: He's a big guy. The guy who wasn't a big

933
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 3: guy but very tall on talent. We never talked about

934
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 3: this and I saw this. I was at a where

935
00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 3: were we somewhere getting a brunch and saw this pop

936
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 3: up on TV? Have you seen the Allen Iverson statue?

937
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,959
Speaker 2: I'll explain that coming up next week Cleveland Browns Daily

938
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939
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Speaker 1: Live in Ohio on eight fifty ESP and Cleveland.

941
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 2: Alright, coming up at two o'clock. Ryan Wilson going to

942
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 2: join the show NFL Drafts Expert at CBS Sports. Okay,

943
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 2: you're talking about the Iverson statue. Yes, I am, so

944
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 2: explain the people what you saw. If this is like

945
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,919
Speaker 2: the size of what a football statue should be, yeah,

946
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 2: I saw this. Okay, So the a normal statue is

947
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 2: usually one and a half times the size of human.

948
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 2: Who it was like the Laker statues are like one

949
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 2: and a half nine nine feet tall? So what instead

950
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 2: you see is like a four foot statue of Alan Iverson.

951
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,879
Speaker 2: Would you say three or four feet? So here's the deal. Though,

952
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 2: they're all that size. They have a row of them

953
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 2: in Philly and Wilts is that size, Chucks is that size?

954
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 2: They're all smaller. You walk, you walk past them, and

955
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 2: they're all little.

956
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 3: I'm not interested.

957
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 2: I want them all read, Okay, I'm just saying that's why,

958
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 2: so one.

959
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 3: Of them start. You can't have a person posing with

960
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 3: a statue, right, I agree.

961
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 2: Maybe they're being thrifty. I don't know.

962
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 4: It's like this.

963
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 2: One of the things that that happened with it was

964
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 2: was that as if his was the only small one,

965
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 2: and they're like, why is he so happy about this? Well,

966
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 2: they're all that size in there. You walk past them

967
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 2: on your way in. So that's the I don't disagree with.

968
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 3: The Lakers have around Staples. How many larger than life statutes?

969
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 4: Yeah?

970
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 2: Now they have Kobe Shack, Magic, Kareem maybe West Yeah, yeah,

971
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 2: real size, well at least like one and a half size,

972
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 2: like to your point, like nine feet. Yeah, but that's anyway,

973
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 2: that's the explanation. That's not to me. They should all

974
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 2: be huge, yes, but that's he's it's not like I

975
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 2: think some people thought that his was tiny and that

976
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:26,919
Speaker 2: was but they're all.

977
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 3: That size, Like where's the rest of it?

978
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's where that comes from. Uh,

979
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 2: do we have time for the griffs? Stand of the day?

980
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 3: They are move it into hour two. If I was

981
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 3: hearing properly from the Musings and the bat.

982
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 2: I think you're doing it.

983
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 3: Fact to the day, the act of the day, Fact

984
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 3: to the day. It's the griff, back to the day.

985
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 5: The Boston Celtics are the first team in NBA postseason

986
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 5: history to have every player who played in the game

987
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 5: make at least one three pointer. The team shot twenty

988
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 5: two to forty nine from three for forty five percent

989
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 5: behind the arc, and they're blow win over the heat.

990
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 2: So this is this is what I was saying. That

991
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 2: was a bad weekend for the association because Jimmy buckets

992
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 2: do you want from them? Right? But like there's there

993
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 2: was a lot of pushing the chips early around week

994
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 2: the first game, there's a lot of get down big

995
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 2: and all right, we're good. The Lakers got up big

996
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 2: and then blew it. But everybody, well it didn't blow it,

997
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 2: and the Nuggets are a lot better that one. That

998
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 2: one was close, and the New Orleans Oklahoma City was tight. Baller, Well,

999
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 2: they have the all Villainova backcourt because Brunson's there and

1000
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 2: de Vincenzo's there. Those are all Nova guys. Yeah, all

1001
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 2: those guys are there, so no Randall. But yeah, it

1002
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 2: just feels like, yeah, he's been out for months, a

1003
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 2: couple of months. He's done for the year. But it

1004
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 2: does feel like if to your point on Boston or

1005
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 2: Griff's point, which you articulated, you know, like, if they

1006
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 2: don't win it, if not now when.

1007
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 4: Right?

1008
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:53,240
Speaker 2: I mean, there's nothing embads.

1009
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 3: Hobbled, The honest is hobbled.

1010
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,439
Speaker 2: The honesty even play damn at thirty five at half,

1011
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 2: that game is over. Like there was a lot of that.

1012
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 2: There was a lot of garbage, like non competitive. It's

1013
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 2: like game if you're not in it, Like, let's just

1014
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 2: I think the NBA is in trouble. I do in

1015
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 2: that sense.

1016
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 3: I want to ask you something because you were more

1017
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 3: in tune to like college hoops than certainly I am. Huh,

1018
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,959
Speaker 3: so Ban Caro was at Duke.

1019
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's a number one pick.

1020
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 3: Did they win it all?

1021
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 4: When he was there, went to the final four, they

1022
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 4: got eliminated by the tar Heels. He's getting coach k Swansong.

1023
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 2: Oh, that's right. So he lost on senior Day to

1024
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 2: Carolina and in the final four to Carolina. Correct, it

1025
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:32,720
Speaker 2: is the greatest come up and like it was almost

1026
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 2: like harb what Harbor did?

1027
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:36,439
Speaker 3: Caro is big.

1028
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's good.

1029
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 3: He's like there and Yang was talking so much, smacked

1030
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 3: him and finally he just went down and like I

1031
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 3: owed him and scored maybe four trips in a row down.

1032
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, and was like I want to and Yang don't die,

1033
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 4: and I just want to take the name off and

1034
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 4: put rec league. That's exactly what my buddy and I

1035
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:54,479
Speaker 4: were calling him.

1036
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 3: Behind me had not been to a Cavs game all year,

1037
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 3: and they I overheard their conversation, which I jumped in there,

1038
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 3: like who is that guy? Yeah, and they're like that

1039
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 3: guy looks like he belongs in a rec league. And

1040
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 3: then when he came in and said that was his

1041
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 3: buddy's listen, he came in. He plays in the Association.

1042
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 3: He got tip your cap to him. He's obviously doing

1043
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 3: something right.

1044
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think Ben Carroll's probably only twenty two years old, right,

1045
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 2: or twenty.

1046
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 4: One is good.

1047
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 3: He's very calm, a very calm demeanor.

1048
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Sugs he was young man.

1049
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 3: Suggs was terrible. Four for sixteen from they were war

1050
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 3: one for seven.

1051
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 4: Neither team shot three pointers.

1052
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 3: The Magic were sixty percent from the line.

1053
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 4: Like, this is the NBA.

1054
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, Paolo's twenty one. Yeah, he'll be twenty two and

1055
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 5: noveter their kids.

1056
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is why the NBA, this is why

1057
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:40,240
Speaker 2: the NBA Players Association doesn't want any sort of restriction

1058
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 2: because he's gonna get paid by the time he's twenty three.

1059
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. He had nine turnovers, though, I don't think that's good.

1060
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, there are parts of his game he's got to

1061
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 4: clean up a little bit.

1062
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 3: Well, they run the he brings the ball up. Yeah, yeah,

1063
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 3: they run the offense through.

1064
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 2: I always get it always annoys me when Lebron insays

1065
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 2: Son being a small forward. It's like you're the point guard, dude. Yeah,

1066
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 2: you bring it up every time you're the guard. Basketball

1067
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 2: is just positionless. Now.

1068
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 3: Niang, by the way, played at Iowa State. Was a

1069
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 3: second round pick in twenty sixteen, so he've played it

1070
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:12,919
Speaker 3: in the league that long.

1071
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's you see that like, if there's certain

1072
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 2: things that you do that are that fit the check boxes.

1073
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 3: He was Mitchell's teammate in Utah, so.

1074
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was gonna say him and Donovan were good

1075
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 5: friends in Utah, so I think Mitchell, Like.

1076
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 3: In that game when another Mitchell teammate from Utah, Joe Ingles,

1077
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 3: was out there. If that's how you pronounce.

1078
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 2: His last name, Okay, yeah, I remember, that's it.

1079
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean that guy looks like he can't even

1080
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:43,879
Speaker 3: move anymore. He shouldn't even be in a rec league.

1081
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 3: And they're out there, by the way, this year in

1082
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 3: Yang career high nine point four points a game, career

1083
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 3: almost a career high in minutes.

1084
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 5: He's the enforcer.

1085
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, gotta have one.

1086
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 3: That's I bet he's made a ton of money. I

1087
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 3: know that's good for him.

1088
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, IM sure he has all right. Ryan Wilson, NFL

1089
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 2: draft expert at CBS Sports, will join us. Coming up next,

1090
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 2: we'll talk to the top of the draft, who he likes,

1091
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 2: who he likes deep in the draft for us. That's

1092
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,399
Speaker 2: coming up Nextals to Cleveland Bron's Daily on eight fifty

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00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:14,520
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Speaker 2: CBS Sports NFL Draft expert Ryan Wilson joining the program. There, Ryan,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for taking the time. Well, this

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Speaker 2: is the week, right, this is one we all wait for.

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Speaker 2: I kind of tend to think that a lot of

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Speaker 2: what is thought and said publicly at the combine ends

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Speaker 2: up coming almost through the silly season and becoming truth

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Speaker 2: this week. What do you anticipate this week or do

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Speaker 2: you think it will kind of go to form At

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Speaker 2: the top of the draft, I.

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Speaker 6: Feel good about Kalla Williams of the Bears, and then

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Speaker 6: after that it's wide open for me. I'm glad you

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Speaker 6: have a little more confidence than I do. But also

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Speaker 6: it's one of those things you feel like you're so

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Speaker 6: close to it that and you hear to your point,

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Speaker 6: you hear so many things over the last At this

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Speaker 6: point four or five months, you don't know which.

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Speaker 4: Way is up.

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Speaker 6: I mean, do you know which players are good? You

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Speaker 6: know which players you feel good about, But the group

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Speaker 6: thing starts to take over it, and you have to

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Speaker 6: be able to hopefully compartmentalize it and make what you

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Speaker 6: think are the best choices in terms of how you

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Speaker 6: dialoate these players and the fits that make sense. I

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Speaker 6: like Jayden Daniel's going to I've heard that that's the

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Speaker 6: directions commanders are leading after that. You know, we heard

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Speaker 6: Elliott Wolfe, the general manager for the Patriots, say they're

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Speaker 6: open for business. That sounds like he's just seeing what's

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Speaker 6: out there. They need a quarterback. But if nothing else,

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Speaker 6: it's gonna be a lot of fun because I think

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Speaker 6: we're gonna see some trades, maybe not as many as

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Speaker 6: perhaps we think at the top, and then we're gonna

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Speaker 6: see some trades I think at the bottom of the

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Speaker 6: first round in terms of teams coming up to get

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Speaker 6: whether it's a wide receiver or an offensive tackle. And

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Speaker 6: that's gonna make for an exciting four or five six hours. However,

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Speaker 6: those first rounds end up being.

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Speaker 3: What do you make of the quarterback rankings in terms

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Speaker 3: of let's say, JJ McCarthy, how close is he to

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Speaker 3: what people are kind of saying as the top three,

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Speaker 3: And is he somebody that you would not at all

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Speaker 3: be surprised to see a team like the Vikings or

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Speaker 3: maybe Denver move up and try to get him, you know,

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Speaker 3: maybe at that fourth spot with Arizona.

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Speaker 6: I think there's a better chance that we have four

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Speaker 6: quarterbacks go in the top five than if JJ lasts

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Speaker 6: till eleven, for example, or the Vikings currently find themselves.

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Speaker 6: I mean, there's a reason they went out and got

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Speaker 6: that twenty third first round, the twenty third overall pick

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Speaker 6: when they traded back up and swapped with Houston, so

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Speaker 6: they now have two first round picks, and you use

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Speaker 6: that not to draft two wide receivers or two off

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Speaker 6: the tackle. You use that as a bargaining leverage to

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Speaker 6: move up into the first round, into the top five

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Speaker 6: picks in leaf Brog at Denver or in Las Vegas.

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Speaker 6: Should they be interested in JJ McCarty In terms of

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Speaker 6: how I have them ranked, Tal's my number one, Jade's

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Speaker 6: my number two, Drake May and then I have Michael

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Speaker 6: Penix just ahead of j J McCarty. And we talk

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Speaker 6: all the time about well, let's go back and look

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Speaker 6: at the take let's see how they played. And it's

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Speaker 6: hard for me to do that and then say to myself, well,

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Speaker 6: there's no way Michael Pennick Junior is a good football

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Speaker 6: player because what he did last year. He's the best

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Speaker 6: deep ball.

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Speaker 4: Thrower in his class.

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Speaker 6: I know there's an injury history there, but it's hard

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Speaker 6: for me to wrap my brain around the idea of

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Speaker 6: taking JJ McCarty ahead of him right now, two three

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Speaker 6: years from now. Maybe JJ ends up being the best

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Speaker 6: quarterback in this class. But based on what I saw

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Speaker 6: in twenty twenty three, Michael Penix Junior can do a

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Speaker 6: lot of the things that translate. He played in the

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Speaker 6: offense that translates the NFL offenses, and that's why I

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Speaker 6: like him a little better. If I were being pressed,

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Speaker 6: I would probably take Penix and JJ bottom half of

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Speaker 6: the first round. But that ain't gonna happen. I think

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Speaker 6: Michael Penox Junior actually has a chance to slip in

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Speaker 6: the round two based on the folks spoken with. But

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Speaker 6: JJ is going to be top eight worst case, I

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Speaker 6: feels say, because some team is going to go get him.

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Speaker 3: Now you have the Cardinals in your latest mock draft

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Speaker 3: at CBS. You can follow him on on exit. Ryan

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Speaker 3: Wilson CBS. Malik Neighbors first wide receiver off the board,

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Speaker 3: and we've heard that it's close. A lot of people

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Speaker 3: think it's Marvin Harrison for sure. You had neighbors go there.

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Speaker 3: What was kind of the thought process there?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that mock draft came out right after, right before

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Speaker 6: we were at the LSU Pro day, and I'll be honest,

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Speaker 6: I saw Milie Neighbors of us and personal and he's special.

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Speaker 6: He reminds me a lot of Jamar Chase. He has

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Speaker 6: a thick lower half that he's going to be burning

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Speaker 6: through arm tackles all day. And you saw that in

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Speaker 6: twenty twenty three ran the four, three, five, had support, attention, partical,

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Speaker 6: all the things you look for when you're talking about

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Speaker 6: drafting a wide receiver with a top five pick. I

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Speaker 6: think that the Cardinals are landing Marvin Harrison Junior, and

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Speaker 6: there's there's certainly nothing wrong with that. Marvin Harrison Junior

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Speaker 6: is a special talent, but the fact that he didnt

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Speaker 6: work out in the pre draft process gave an opportunity

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Speaker 6: to highlight some of these other wide receivers and for me,

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Speaker 6: it was Malik at the time. If you're gonna press

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Speaker 6: me on it, I'll probably give the slight edge to

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Speaker 6: Marvin Harrison Junior. But I just go back a few

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Speaker 6: years ago in that draft class where Henry Gruggs was

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Speaker 6: the first wide receiver taken and wide receiver five was

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Speaker 6: justin Jefferson. So you can find guys that aren't necessarily

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Speaker 6: the first pick and by the way, wide receiver six

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Speaker 6: of Brand New York. So again, there are guys that

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Speaker 6: are going to be available that we're going to talk

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Speaker 6: about here. They're going to be game changers. Look no

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Speaker 6: further than poking the cool last year a fifth round pick.

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Speaker 6: But I think Marvin Malik and Roman Dunes they have

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Speaker 6: a chance to all be off the board by what

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Speaker 6: feels like the first twelve picks.

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Speaker 4: Ryan.

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Speaker 2: When you do a mock draft, do you do it

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Speaker 2: from the position of this is what I would do,

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Speaker 2: or do you do it this is what I think

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Speaker 2: it will be.

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Speaker 6: Typically I do about eight or nine now they scale

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Speaker 6: back going back to the fall in September, I do

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Speaker 6: eight or nine mock drafts, and typically I'll talk to

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Speaker 6: people and get a sense for what the league is

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Speaker 6: feeling about players. I had one to come out today,

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Speaker 6: and today's mock draft was specifically titled this is what

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Speaker 6: I think NFL team should do, and that was a

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Speaker 6: little bit different, and it just sort of won't me

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Speaker 6: going on record. So when people can throw to my

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Speaker 6: space twelve bunch.

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Speaker 2: Of how do you you mentioned Penix and that you

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Speaker 2: liked him over JJ. When you're evaluating quarterbacks, how how

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Speaker 2: do you judge because they play against Now those two

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Speaker 2: played against each other in the National Championship game, but

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Speaker 2: how the competition is so different. One of the things

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Speaker 2: I know that that people sometimes have trouble with, for example,

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Speaker 2: the Ohio State quarterbacks, is because of the skill of

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Speaker 2: the skill talent they have, being so much greater than

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Speaker 2: most of the teams they play, sometimes it's hard to

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Speaker 2: evaluate those quarterbacks. How do you evaluate quarterbacks and kind

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Speaker 2: of how do you weigh their strengths versus opposition?

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Speaker 6: And that's incredibly important and incredibly difficult, and you touched

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Speaker 6: on it with the Ohigo State quarterbacks. Just go back

1243
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Speaker 6: twelve months ago. We didn't know what to make a CJ.

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Speaker 6: Strout in terms of his ability in the open field,

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Speaker 6: and in part because he was thrown to a bunch

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Speaker 6: of first round picks, like literally three or four first

1247
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Speaker 6: round picks he played with, and the offsive line was

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Speaker 6: also one of the best in college football. And the

1249
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Speaker 6: thing with CJ is, forget the athleticis that we saw

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Speaker 6: in that Georgia game, the leap he made from Ohio

1251
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Speaker 6: State to year one in Houston. In the first few months,

1252
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Speaker 6: first few weeks as a pro were rough. The Ravens

1253
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Speaker 6: game comes to mind, and there's no crime in struggling

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Speaker 6: as a rookie quarterback, but his ability to throw with

1255
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Speaker 6: anticipation some of the touch throws, we didn't see that

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Speaker 6: anywhere with any consistency at Ohio State because he didn't

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Speaker 6: really have to do it. So those things are just

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Speaker 6: the unknowns, and that's what makes this so difficult to

1259
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Speaker 6: value quarterbacks forgetting media people, but people in the league

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Speaker 6: that have to do this, there was no proof that

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Speaker 6: we would see CJ do to the next level. Now,

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Speaker 6: he went to a great situation with Bobby Slowik and

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Speaker 6: Damika Ryans, but CJ did a lot of the heavy lifting.

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Speaker 6: But in terms of this class, what I keep coming

1265
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Speaker 6: back to, especially when I talk about Drake may, is

1266
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Speaker 6: that his twenty twenty three tape wasn't great. It's pretty inconsistent.

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Speaker 6: There are highlight moments they take your breath away, and

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Speaker 6: the fact that he's six four two twenty five and

1269
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Speaker 6: a big arm certainly helping his good athlete. But also

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Speaker 6: you have to remember that he's twenty one, and when

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Speaker 6: Jayde Daniels was twenty one and Bow Knicks and Michael

1272
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Speaker 6: penis Chene were twenty one, they were not very good quarterbacks,

1273
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Speaker 6: at least in terms of consistency. They've gotten a ton better.

1274
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Speaker 6: And that's why I'm hesitant to say that Drake May.

1275
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Speaker 6: I don't get it with Drake May because I think

1276
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Speaker 6: it's there. You just have to be patient with him,

1277
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Speaker 6: and that's part of the evaluation process. Going back to

1278
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Speaker 6: Justin Herbert. Justin Herberts last year at Oregon, I was

1279
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Speaker 6: confused as to why we were talking about him as

1280
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Speaker 6: a top ten pick, and it turns out he's the

1281
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Speaker 6: really good football player, and part because of the system

1282
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Speaker 6: in Oregon wasn't asking to do what he's capable of

1283
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Speaker 6: doing now, and he got better. So I'm always hesitant

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Speaker 6: to say that this isn't going to work out for

1285
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Speaker 6: a player, especially a quarterback because we just there's so

1286
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Speaker 6: many unknowns. And I think Drake May is a good

1287
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Speaker 6: example of a guy who maybe in twenty twenty five,

1288
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Speaker 6: twenty twenty six were saying, Okay, maybe he should have

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Speaker 6: been the first player taken because he's grown into that

1290
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Speaker 6: role and now he's the same age in three years

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Speaker 6: from now that currently Bo Knicks is. And you know

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Speaker 6: Bo Nick is a good football player because he's played

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Speaker 6: a lot of football.

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Speaker 3: When you look at from the Cleveland Browns perspective, one

1295
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Speaker 3: more season out a first round pick, but you have

1296
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Speaker 3: them going in the second round in this mock that

1297
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Speaker 3: I'm now seeing your most recent and you do have

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Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison fourth to the Cardinals in this one, and

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Speaker 3: what should they do? You have the brown sake and

1300
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 3: Michael Hall junior and that's so that's a name that

1301
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Speaker 3: we've seen quite a bit to the Cleveland Browns, the

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Speaker 3: Ohio State Buckeye. What do you like about that fitting

1303
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Speaker 3: and what kind of an impact could he have for

1304
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Speaker 3: the Browns right away?

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Speaker 6: Oh, and you guys know from Watchington Highsted football, he

1306
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Speaker 6: is so so much fun for so many who weighs

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Speaker 6: around two ninety and is so incredibly disruptive on the inside,

1308
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 6: and he's quote unquote undersized, but Shelby, Harrison and Mohurst

1309
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 6: are similarly sized, and that's why you play next to

1310
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 6: Dalvin Tomlinson and they sign Quinton Jefferson. The offse's offset that.

1311
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 6: But I think the ability to be a penetrator on

1312
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 6: the interior the defensive line is so disruptive, and Jim

1313
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 6: Schwartz did such a good job already with getting that

1314
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 6: defensive play at a high level, and one of the

1315
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 6: things they struggle with was was getting pressure on CJ

1316
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 6: in that final game. And I think that this is

1317
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 6: what Michael Hall gives you. He's a He's going to

1318
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 6: be a part time player to start, I would imagine,

1319
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 6: but you come in and passed our situation to just

1320
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 6: recavoc in the middle of the defense, and that goes

1321
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 6: a long way and helping everyone else to have success

1322
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 6: in that defense. Do the things that Jim Schutz wants

1323
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 6: to do. So I think he's the second round pick

1324
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 6: all day long. He probably needs to get a little

1325
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 6: bit stronger and play the run a little better. Sometimes

1326
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 6: pad level gets little high. He can get pushed around.

1327
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 6: But when he is on, good luck to any guard

1328
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 6: slash center trying to block him before he gets into

1329
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 6: the quarterbacks lapper. He's in the face of the running

1330
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Speaker 6: back in the back field.

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01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 2: Right, Ryan big picture on the the positions of depth

1332
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 2: and strength versus the weak positions in this draft, where

1333
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 2: are they?

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01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:41,919
Speaker 6: Well the easy ones wide receiver. You can find wide

1335
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 6: receivers for days, even in the Day three that are

1336
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 6: going to help you. And again I want to see

1337
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 6: if there any lessons learned around the league from the

1338
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 6: cook and the cool situation. He ran four or five

1339
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 6: to five wherever last year, but he played a lot

1340
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 6: faster than that. And an example of that is the

1341
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 6: key on Coleman who ran four six one, but he

1342
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 6: timed incredibly fasten the drills at the at the he

1343
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 6: plays faster than that too, So he could be a

1344
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 6: guy that maybe gets trapped a little higher than we think.

1345
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 6: I think he's probably a Round two guy. There's also

1346
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 6: a ton of depth at the offensive line, and if

1347
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 6: you're looking for depth there, that's something you could wait

1348
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 6: until day two, day three, depending on what you're looking for.

1349
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 6: And there could be some atch rushers that you guys

1350
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 6: you can get that can help you. Situational guys on

1351
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 6: Day two, Day three, I mean no surprise that the

1352
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 6: running backs are. There's not going to be any Bee.

1353
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 6: Jhon Robinsons or Jamior Gibbs are probably going to go

1354
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 6: a couple of round two and then after that they'll

1355
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 6: start coming off the board. And then the quarterback class

1356
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 6: is actually pretty thin. Once you get past the top five,

1357
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 6: we'll see Bonnick's probably second rounder, and then maybe Spencer

1358
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 6: Ratler or Michael Pratt maybe they have a chance to

1359
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 6: sneak into to Day two, maybe Day three targets. But again,

1360
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 6: when you're picking a quarterback after the top thirty two

1361
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 6: picks you you're basically hoping to catch a flyer because

1362
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 6: those guys are so hard to find in the first round,

1363
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 6: let alone, after you let a round or two pass you.

1364
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 3: If you were looking at the running back position or

1365
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 3: the wide receiver position, you know, I would be some

1366
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 3: prize as the Browns went, you know, a wide receiver

1367
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 3: round two. But maybe they will because they Andrewbury certainly

1368
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 3: believes in weapons. But who are some of your favorite

1369
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 3: kind of Day two or early day three receivers And

1370
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 3: if you could at empsis on guys who can really

1371
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 3: stretch the field vertically, because that seems to be the

1372
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 3: one skill set that the Browns don't still have in

1373
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 3: that room.

1374
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think key On Coleman doesn't necessarily fit that role,

1375
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 6: and he feels like a Cedric Killman type. So you

1376
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 6: don't need two per Killmans on the team if you're

1377
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 6: looking for a deep threat, so Jalen Polp out of

1378
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 6: Washington has a chance to be there. Uh, he's a burner.

1379
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 6: Xavier la Guetz another fun guy. He's a one year

1380
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 6: wonder guy. Is his guys like to put it. Hit

1381
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 6: a big year for South Carolina last year, but he

1382
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 6: is sixty three six two sixty three two two hundred

1383
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 6: change and he ran in the fourth threes I think,

1384
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 6: and he plays that fast he is, he's a burner.

1385
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 6: Ricky Piersall is an interesting player too. He ran four

1386
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 6: four one. I don't know if he consistently played that fast,

1387
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:55,919
Speaker 6: but he's shown the ability to win down the field.

1388
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 6: He's a great route runner, has great hands, and those

1389
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 6: guys could be some options on day two now. Robin

1390
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 6: Wilson's slock guy with some speed, but if you're looking

1391
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 6: for outside outside threats, he's not necessarily going to be

1392
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 6: the one for you. And then in day three, I

1393
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 6: mean Brendan Rice, Jerry Rice's son. He has a little juice.

1394
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 6: He can beat you down the field. Javon Baker out

1395
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 6: of Central Florida. There is another big target down the

1396
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 6: field that maybe you can wait around or two and

1397
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 6: circle back on and I'll be you know you touched

1398
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 6: on the running backs. I'll be interested to see what

1399
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 6: happens if a jump there with the Browns are thinking

1400
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 6: if they want to wait around after the second or

1401
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 6: try to make something happen there, because Brooks sort of

1402
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:34,919
Speaker 6: like Nick Chubb, is coming off an injury, but he's

1403
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 6: the most dynamic running back in his class, and maybe

1404
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 6: that's consideration infestive directions you want to.

1405
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 3: Go when you look at the offensive tackle him because

1406
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 3: I think the Browns and Andrew Berry, he's constantly thinking

1407
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 3: about not just today but the future and what that

1408
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 3: looks like. You know they're going to have Jack right now,

1409
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 3: they got three starting tackles basically with Jack Conklin, Dwan Jones,

1410
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 3: and Jed Wills. You know, it's possible that one of

1411
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 3: Conkland or Wills won't be with the team next year,

1412
01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 3: and it's possible perhaps even both of them wouldn't be

1413
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 3: with the team next year. Is is there a tackle

1414
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 3: that you love in that second or third round spot

1415
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 3: for the Browns knowing that this would be a tackle

1416
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 3: who's going to get a full year to sit and

1417
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 3: you know, and for a lot to talk about the

1418
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 3: guy from Yale, But who are some of the offensive

1419
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 3: tackles that you like in that second, third round?

1420
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, Kiana Magaji is a good call. Insanely athletic, hasn't

1421
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 6: played a ton of football. We talked to him in

1422
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 6: the combine and there are a few people in planet

1423
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 6: Earth that has as much confidence as he did. And

1424
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 6: he said, look, man, even though I haven't played a

1425
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 6: lot of football, playing in the IVY League, I knew

1426
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 6: every single step I was going to dominate who was

1427
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 6: ever across from me. And that's what you want.

1428
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:35,920
Speaker 4: Now.

1429
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 6: That perspective will probably change the first day of mini camp,

1430
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 6: but you like that that sort of mindset some other

1431
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 6: guys if you're thinking about left tackles. Patrick Paul out

1432
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 6: of Houston feels like a great candidate, who's a good

1433
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 6: athlete to come in and sit for a year. Kingsley

1434
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 6: Pilmataea the BYU similar I think Paul is a better athlete.

1435
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 6: S Mateya gives you right tackle left tackle versatility as well.

1436
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 6: Blake Fisher is a right tackle played offfs to joelt

1437
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 6: at Notre aim and Roger rosen Gotton is another right

1438
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 6: tackle out of Washington who's a surprisingly good athlete. I

1439
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 6: don't think he gets as much credit as he deserves.

1440
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 6: So depending on which side you're looking for, they're going

1441
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 6: to be Those are some some day two targets that

1442
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 6: are going to be available and guys that, as you know,

1443
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 6: makes sense if you can let them sit on the

1444
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 6: bench for a year now, I'll get the watch a

1445
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 6: ton of credit. And if I was at the High

1446
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 6: State party last year and he didn't get on the scale,

1447
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 6: and I think that cost him some money and his

1448
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 6: draft stock, and he's gotten on the scale, he's probably

1449
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 6: worst K second round pick, maybe third round, and he

1450
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 6: played like a top fifty guy last year. I was

1451
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 6: brillily impressed with what he was able to do if

1452
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 6: he keeps his weight under control. And it feels like

1453
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 6: this guy's a womit for him too.

1454
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 2: I just saw him on the way and I can

1455
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 2: confirm to you that he does.

1456
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 4: He looks great. It's great. Looks great. Yeah, he looks

1457
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 4: very very good.

1458
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 3: The Cavs game on.

1459
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, see great, it looks great, Ryan, great stuff,

1460
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 2: and really appreciate your expertise and giving us a little

1461
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 2: bit of your time today.

1462
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 6: Absolutely, I think you yet.

1463
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 4: All right.

1464
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Speaker 2: That's Ryan Wilson, CBS Sports NFL Draft Expert on the

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1466
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Speaker 2: Coming up next, we're doing Biggest Draft Bus Receivers. Okay,

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back, Ked, Cleveland Browns Daily a fifty

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Speaker 2: ESPN Cleveland. All right, we're doing Last week we did quarterbacks,

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Speaker 2: Biggest Draft Bus, and this week we're gonna do receivers.

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Speaker 2: Is the same rules apply. All these dudes' names are?

1475
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 2: These are all top ten same stipulations. Wow, I forgot

1476
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 2: some of these guys were I forgot. Tavon Austin was

1477
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 2: a first Rent was a top ten pick. Would not

1478
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:32,480
Speaker 2: have had that I forgot. John Ross was a top

1479
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 2: round pick. Kevin White, I have no recollection of none.

1480
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 2: I don't remember that at all.

1481
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 4: From like Bears Virginia stand up for West Virginia.

1482
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 2: I don't know where he's at West Virginia, Virginia. Oh,

1483
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 2: he must have blazed. He probably ran it quick.

1484
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:47,960
Speaker 3: He's big, he was dominant college.

1485
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 2: It is never I don't know. Yeah, I don't remember him.

1486
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 2: Troy Williamson. I remember Hayward Bay, Mike Williams USC. He's

1487
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 2: the one who challenged the NCAA with clarette. They were

1488
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:00,680
Speaker 2: trying to, you know, get rid of the play three

1489
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 2: and they I think the case got to the Southern

1490
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 2: District of New York and then that's the end of that.

1491
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 4: When you go there, you lose.

1492
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 2: Reggie Williams out of Washington. I remember well, Charles Rogers

1493
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 2: Michigan State, David Terrell Michigan. Kran Robinson was at n

1494
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:15,000
Speaker 2: C State.

1495
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 3: N Z State, but he Coran Robinson had at least

1496
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:20,719
Speaker 3: one or two good years.

1497
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 2: Travis Taylor out of Florida, Michael Westbrook out of Colorado,

1498
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 2: JJ Stokes UCLA, and Peter Work out of Florida State. Yeah,

1499
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:32,280
Speaker 2: I think number one. I think this is a pretty

1500
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 2: simple number one, much like JaMarcus Russell. And I think

1501
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 2: it's Charles Rogers because I think he was the second

1502
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:39,799
Speaker 2: pick in the draft, if memory serves.

1503
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:40,920
Speaker 3: All right, let's go through these.

1504
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:43,479
Speaker 5: I think he was one one pick before Andre Johnson.

1505
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he went number one overall, right, number two

1506
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 2: went number two.

1507
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 5: Andre Johnson was third, third, So.

1508
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 2: I think Carlos Rodgers is number one for me.

1509
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:52,439
Speaker 3: All right, Corey Davis, I'm just gonna kind of go

1510
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:54,639
Speaker 3: through some of these guys. Give you some yeah, refresh

1511
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:57,920
Speaker 3: the people, Refresh the people. So Corey Davis was fifth

1512
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:00,160
Speaker 3: overall by the Tennessee Titans in the two thousand than

1513
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:05,840
Speaker 3: seventeen draft out of Western Michigan. Yep, he had, you know,

1514
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 3: second year in league sixty five eight ninety one and four.

1515
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:10,559
Speaker 3: He had another year of sixty five nine eighty four

1516
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 3: and five, but for the most part lived between you know,

1517
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 3: five hundred, six hundred yards. He's going to finish his

1518
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 3: career six years. He retired, actually left camp to retire

1519
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 3: last year with basically four thousand yards, seventeen touchdowns and

1520
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:27,240
Speaker 3: averaged fourteen point two yards per catch.

1521
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:29,840
Speaker 2: So while he is a disappointing fifth overall pick. I

1522
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:31,720
Speaker 2: don't know you could say he's a draft bust. No,

1523
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:34,200
Speaker 2: he he was a contributor. He played, he was in

1524
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:34,839
Speaker 2: the league.

1525
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:36,960
Speaker 3: And made a nice got a nice contract when he

1526
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:39,120
Speaker 3: went to the Jets from Tennessee coming off of that

1527
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 3: career high nine hundred something yard season. Kevin White, on

1528
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:45,240
Speaker 3: the other hand, was the seventh overall pick in the

1529
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 3: twenty fifteen draft out of West Virginia. Kevin White's career

1530
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:55,639
Speaker 3: twenty eight catches, three hundred and ninety seven yards, zero touchdown.

1531
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 3: So I had him underlined. He's absolutely on the list.

1532
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:00,600
Speaker 2: He's in consideration.

1533
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:03,679
Speaker 3: And you're talking about never played more than nine games

1534
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 3: in a season batting, but then just wasn't even relevant.

1535
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 3: Or he had a hunt nineteen for one to eighty

1536
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:12,320
Speaker 3: seven his rookie year and that was his career best.

1537
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, he might be high on the list.

1538
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:17,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he will be high.

1539
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:17,920
Speaker 2: On the list.

1540
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 3: John Ross John Ross was picked by the Bengals.

1541
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 2: I got Johnny Ross here, Uh generally, Yeah, sixty two

1542
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:31,519
Speaker 2: nine fifty seven, eleven touchdowns in thirty seven games is

1543
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:34,600
Speaker 2: where Johnny Ross is. He was drafted.

1544
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:38,679
Speaker 3: Seventh, all right, So he feels like somebody who could

1545
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:40,800
Speaker 3: certainly be in the mix here doesn't even have.

1546
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:43,640
Speaker 2: A thouand No. Ninth overall, ninth overall, sixty two for

1547
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:48,080
Speaker 2: nine to fifty seven, ninth overall, So he's in the mix.

1548
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 4: He's in the mix.

1549
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:50,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's if you don't even get a thousand yards.

1550
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 3: So John Ross will put him in the mix, all right.

1551
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 3: Tevon Austin first round, eighth overall, twenty thirteen career and

1552
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:02,920
Speaker 3: he eight in the league for five, seven, eight, nine years.

1553
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:06,320
Speaker 3: He's not gonna be on this list. Stanley for nine years,

1554
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 3: he ran for thirteen hundred and sixty one yards, ran,

1555
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 3: rushed for thirteen sixty one and ten touchdowns. He caught

1556
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 3: two two hundred and thirty nine yards worth of passes

1557
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:21,519
Speaker 3: in sixteen touchdowns. I mean, this is the guy who's got,

1558
01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 3: you know, thirty five hundred total yards, played nine years

1559
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:25,840
Speaker 3: in the league. I'm pretty sure he's probably got a

1560
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 3: punt return touchdown somewhere. Yeah, three kick return, three punt

1561
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 3: return touchdowns each of his first three years in the league.

1562
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:37,600
Speaker 3: Tevan Austin's not a best was he what he's supposed No,

1563
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 3: but he's not.

1564
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:40,840
Speaker 4: He's not on the way, We've got a trade. Okay,

1565
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 4: go Grif's boy boy. Griff is having a bad day

1566
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 4: his Broncos first with his uniforms. Now the Broncos helping

1567
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 4: their quarterback situation by acquiring former Jets starting QB a

1568
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:57,639
Speaker 4: number two pick Zach Wilson.

1569
01:11:59,320 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 2: Well, they give up.

1570
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 4: The deal includes a late round pick, swap sixth for

1571
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 4: a seventh, and the Jets will pay some of Wilson's

1572
01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 4: roughly five and a half million dollars.

1573
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 2: Who are their quarterbacks on their roster right now? For Denver?

1574
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:13,839
Speaker 3: Was it Stidham?

1575
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 2: The Stidham's still.

1576
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 3: There looking, Zach Willson? That's a why not Payton?

1577
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:21,040
Speaker 2: And it's perfect. Tanka Palooza used to have had a

1578
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:22,559
Speaker 2: big arm. Let me see what I can do with him.

1579
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:28,639
Speaker 2: Don't worry about that, Griff. You're gonna lose anyway, loose spectaculary. Yeah,

1580
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:31,799
Speaker 2: and kick your tires on someone who had elite skill traits.

1581
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:36,000
Speaker 2: That's fine, you're right. Nothing nothing And Ben Denucci, Oh yeah,

1582
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 2: Ben Denucci. Yeah. So they yeah, they're gonna if they

1583
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:41,040
Speaker 2: don't draft a quarterback, which it doesn't seem like they would,

1584
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:42,760
Speaker 2: that wouldn't be a position to succeed, they'll go to

1585
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:45,720
Speaker 2: Tanka Palooza and they'll put themselves into position to draft

1586
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:46,919
Speaker 2: Quinnie Ers or somebody.

1587
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 4: Like that next year.

1588
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 2: So that's fine. Justin blackman, I have up. So now

1589
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:54,640
Speaker 2: this is a tricky one because this is substance abuse, right,

1590
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:59,240
Speaker 2: yeap alcoholism. It's actually very pretty solid as a rookie.

1591
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:02,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, sixty four for eight, sixty five and five, and

1592
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:04,960
Speaker 3: then the next year in four games, had twenty nine

1593
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:07,000
Speaker 3: for four fifteen in a touchdown and then never played

1594
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 3: again and.

1595
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 1: That was it.

1596
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was it.

1597
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:12,160
Speaker 2: So that's pretty wild to like never get a bite

1598
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:14,640
Speaker 2: back at the Apple to play twenty games and then

1599
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 2: that's it.

1600
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 3: That's it.

1601
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:17,679
Speaker 2: I don't I think he is a bus though, because

1602
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:20,160
Speaker 2: that's part of it, right, because when we were doing

1603
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 2: the quarterback thing, like there was another guy, there was

1604
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:27,040
Speaker 2: somebody in that it was like, was it injuries Johnny

1605
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 2: Carter one where he and by the way, John Carter

1606
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:31,520
Speaker 2: tore his knee and back to back preseasons.

1607
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's just see where he stacks up. I put

1608
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:37,160
Speaker 3: a question marked by him because he was clearly quite productive,

1609
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 3: like his career numbers outpaced Kevin White and John Ross combined.

1610
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:46,040
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, all right, are you gonna do Williamson or

1611
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 2: Hayward Bay, I'll do the other.

1612
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:49,720
Speaker 3: I'll do Williamson, all right, because I remember when he

1613
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 3: was picked by the Minnesota Vikings. It feels like he

1614
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:55,080
Speaker 3: was gonna he's gonna beat like seventh overall to that

1615
01:13:55,439 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 3: maybe something overallt Yeah, yeah, he was seventh overall. So

1616
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:03,960
Speaker 3: he played, never had five hundred yards in a season,

1617
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:07,639
Speaker 3: never had more than two touchdowns in a season, played

1618
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 3: forty nine games in five years. Eleven hundred and thirty

1619
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:15,639
Speaker 3: one yards, four touchdowns his career numbers. So never five

1620
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:16,439
Speaker 3: hundred in a season.

1621
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:17,160
Speaker 4: Hayward Bay.

1622
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:19,680
Speaker 2: I mean it's a long career. He played one and

1623
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:22,960
Speaker 2: forty four games. He was the classic elite trades guy.

1624
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 2: He was a burner. It's two O two for twenty

1625
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:28,000
Speaker 2: eight ninety seven. He was the seventh pick in the

1626
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:28,680
Speaker 2: draft as well.

1627
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:32,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he's not a bust. He's he's automatically off

1628
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:32,840
Speaker 3: the list.

1629
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:36,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't feel like it. Mike Williams out of

1630
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 2: USC Do you have him right now?

1631
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:39,760
Speaker 4: I have him.

1632
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 3: You go to the next, go to Reggie Willis.

1633
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:45,839
Speaker 2: All right, Mike Williams out of USC wide receiver drafted

1634
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 2: by the Lions tenth overall. This is the string of

1635
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:57,160
Speaker 2: Matt Millan drafting Roy Williams, Mike Roy Williams, Mike Williams,

1636
01:14:57,360 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 2: Carlos Rodgers, and they eventually hit on it with me Tron,

1637
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 2: but he just kept drafting receivers, so Mike Williams. He

1638
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:07,080
Speaker 2: ended up playing fifty six games, one hundred and twenty

1639
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 2: seven receptions, fifteen twenty six five touchdowns in the league.

1640
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:14,639
Speaker 2: He was the tenth pick in the draft. He said

1641
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:18,320
Speaker 2: he was out two seasons. He played five oh six

1642
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:20,840
Speaker 2: oh seven, Then he was out two years and came

1643
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:24,000
Speaker 2: back to the league twenty ten, twenty eleven, and I

1644
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:26,160
Speaker 2: think is probably mostly known. He was a stud at

1645
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:29,080
Speaker 2: USC as a freshman, and then he challenged with Clarette

1646
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 2: the NFL.

1647
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 3: I think he's probably based on what he was expected

1648
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:37,160
Speaker 3: to be. What was his best season?

1649
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 2: Did he have a sea twenty nine? Oh well, at

1650
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:42,760
Speaker 2: age twenty six in twenty ten it was sixty five

1651
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:44,880
Speaker 2: for seven to fifty one all. So yeah, so he

1652
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:47,240
Speaker 2: would be if they're sitting out two years, he's not.

1653
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:51,439
Speaker 3: A terrible bust. Reggie Williams was the ninth overall pick

1654
01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 3: of the Jags in two thousand and four. Finishes his

1655
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:56,800
Speaker 3: career five seasons, twenty three hundred and twenty two yards,

1656
01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:59,360
Speaker 3: eighteen touchdowns. His best year was thirty eight for six

1657
01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:02,320
Speaker 3: twenty nine in ten ten scores. Year before he had

1658
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 3: fifty two six sixteen and four. So I don't think

1659
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:07,800
Speaker 3: he's a bust He just wasn't it.

1660
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 2: Seems like this. This would kind of be my take

1661
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 2: on this. I think even when you are a bust

1662
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:18,320
Speaker 2: at receiver you get you're gonna get a lot of chances.

1663
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:20,560
Speaker 5: That was what the conclusion I came to when I

1664
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:23,080
Speaker 5: was doing the research was some of these guys that

1665
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:25,960
Speaker 5: were not the best still did a lot better than

1666
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 5: the bust that quarterback.

1667
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 3: Like to me that there are two guys, right, here's

1668
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:29,599
Speaker 3: the guy.

1669
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:30,240
Speaker 4: This is the guy.

1670
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:32,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's kind of like Kevin White. Him and

1671
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:35,719
Speaker 3: Kevin White and Charles Rogers are the two worst four shows.

1672
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:37,840
Speaker 5: So Charles Rogers awful choices in.

1673
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:42,160
Speaker 2: Charles Rodgers is second overall. He plays fifteen games in

1674
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:45,439
Speaker 2: the league, thirty six for four to forty and four scores.

1675
01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:52,680
Speaker 2: Is he dead or in jail? What happened to him?

1676
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 3: No? He died November twenty nineteen at thirty eight years

1677
01:16:57,040 --> 01:16:58,240
Speaker 3: old in Fort Myers, Florida.

1678
01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:00,400
Speaker 2: Okay, that's what I thought. I thought that there was

1679
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:04,639
Speaker 2: even more tragedy than I had realized. He's number one

1680
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:07,120
Speaker 2: on the list. He's the second overall pick in the draft,

1681
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 2: ahead of Andre Johnson. That's that's number one. Are you doing,

1682
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:10,840
Speaker 2: David Terrell?

1683
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:11,400
Speaker 3: All right?

1684
01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:12,479
Speaker 4: I'll luke kran Robinson.

1685
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 3: Corn Robinson is not a bust.

1686
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:17,400
Speaker 2: No, Corn Robinson's amous.

1687
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:18,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1688
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:21,080
Speaker 2: He was ninth overall to the Seahawks two hundred ninety

1689
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:25,920
Speaker 2: four receptions, forty two forty four sixteen scores. Now, he

1690
01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 2: actually had a the Pro bowler. His second year in

1691
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 2: Seattle at age twenty two, he's seventy eight for twelve

1692
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:34,280
Speaker 2: forty five scores. The next year he's sixty five for

1693
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:37,280
Speaker 2: eight ninety six. So probably injuries happened to him.

1694
01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:38,280
Speaker 4: Not not a bust.

1695
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:42,800
Speaker 3: David Terrell eighth overall pick two thousand and one. He

1696
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:47,200
Speaker 3: has a career six one twenty eight for sixteen oh

1697
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:51,240
Speaker 3: two and nine touchdowns, only one year over five hundred

1698
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:53,600
Speaker 3: yards receiving in his career. I mean he's kind of

1699
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 3: a bust.

1700
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 2: Travis Taylor, University of Florida Baltimore two thousand draft. I

1701
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:03,320
Speaker 2: remember him in college three hundred and twelve receptions, fourenty

1702
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:05,840
Speaker 2: seventeen twenty two touchdowns.

1703
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:07,519
Speaker 6: No, he was.

1704
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:11,439
Speaker 2: It's five sixty eight, sixty nine, six thirty two. Yeah,

1705
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 2: that's just it's it's harder. The next guy, I think

1706
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:18,800
Speaker 2: is though, Michael Westbrook. He's he caught for the kids

1707
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:22,879
Speaker 2: out there. Colorado in the ninety four season, beat Michigan

1708
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:25,519
Speaker 2: on a hail Mary from Cordell Stewart last played the

1709
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 2: game Courdil Stewart to Michael Westbrook and Michael Westbrook is

1710
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:30,840
Speaker 2: most famous playing for the Washington at the time Redskins

1711
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:35,320
Speaker 2: and punching. Who did he punch? He got in a

1712
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:38,479
Speaker 2: fistfight with somebody, a secondary guy who was pretty good.

1713
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:40,759
Speaker 3: He got and he was also there with Jeff George

1714
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 3: at the time.

1715
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:46,360
Speaker 5: I think if we expanded this too to just first round,

1716
01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:48,720
Speaker 5: there was more options. So Michael west limiting in the

1717
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:51,280
Speaker 5: top ten. Michael Westbrook not a bust either at all.

1718
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:55,640
Speaker 5: Two eighty five forty four hundred yards, twenty six touchdowns.

1719
01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:58,439
Speaker 5: He had his best year in ninety nine, sixty five catches,

1720
01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 5: eleven hundred and ninety one and touchdowns. Was the cub

1721
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:03,959
Speaker 5: got votes for comeback Player.

1722
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:06,000
Speaker 2: Of the year he had it was it was Stephen Davis.

1723
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 2: He fought the big running the big running back, that's

1724
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:08,559
Speaker 2: who he thought.

1725
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:11,120
Speaker 3: West first career average fifteen point three yards of catch.

1726
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:13,920
Speaker 3: That last his best year in Washington, he averaged eighteen

1727
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:16,160
Speaker 3: point three. He started his career off five hundred, five hundred,

1728
01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:18,479
Speaker 3: five hundred, seven hundred, twelve hundred. No, he is not

1729
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 3: a bust. He did isn't even the realm of bust

1730
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:22,559
Speaker 3: at all.

1731
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:23,840
Speaker 4: All right, I got Peter Warwick.

1732
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 2: So Peter Warwick goes fourth overall in the two thousand draft.

1733
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:32,479
Speaker 2: I've talked to him many times from my time down there.

1734
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 2: He was an electric college football player with stop start,

1735
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:40,200
Speaker 2: change of pace, misdirection, all of it. Probably would have

1736
01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:43,160
Speaker 2: won the Heisman. The year that they won the national

1737
01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:46,840
Speaker 2: championship was suspended four games, so ninety nine was suspended

1738
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 2: four games for uh Dillard's. He would go, remember it

1739
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:53,080
Speaker 2: was he would go to Dillard's and they would do

1740
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 2: the wrong price on an expensive stuff thing. And that

1741
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:02,439
Speaker 2: was the fame it God. Bobby Bowden had a line

1742
01:20:02,479 --> 01:20:05,760
Speaker 2: that was absolutely classic about that that got Peter Peter

1743
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:08,240
Speaker 2: had a press conference. I can't remember what the quote was.

1744
01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:10,719
Speaker 2: We had a press conference in Tallahassee where he crushed

1745
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:12,880
Speaker 2: it for like all of it, and then somebody asked

1746
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:14,960
Speaker 2: him one question he gave the wrong answer and then

1747
01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:17,479
Speaker 2: making it so much worse than it was.

1748
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:19,080
Speaker 4: But he got hurt.

1749
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:22,920
Speaker 2: He got hurt in Cincinnati and was just never the same.

1750
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:25,560
Speaker 2: And the other thing that possibly was true there is

1751
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:29,200
Speaker 2: the he wasn't a straight line fast guy. He was

1752
01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:31,720
Speaker 2: a change of pace guy, and that gets minimized a

1753
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:33,240
Speaker 2: little in the league. I think it would be face

1754
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:35,800
Speaker 2: face safe to say that he could two seventy five

1755
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:40,000
Speaker 2: two nine, eighteen touchdowns, but you went fourth overall. His

1756
01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:42,960
Speaker 2: best year was seventy nine for eight to nineteen. In

1757
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:48,040
Speaker 2: two thousand and three, he played, you know, really four

1758
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:49,840
Speaker 2: kind of full seasons and then it was done.

1759
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:51,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he was sad. I mean it was six hundred,

1760
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:54,240
Speaker 3: six hundred, six hundred, eight hundred and seven. You was solid.

1761
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:58,240
Speaker 3: I mean, the ones that are like the huge busts

1762
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 3: are Charles Rogers, Kevin White, John Ross, Troy Williams, and

1763
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:05,760
Speaker 3: those are really the only four that jump out to

1764
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:10,160
Speaker 3: me as being like straight up busts. David Terrell would

1765
01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 3: probably be on the close to that.

1766
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:18,240
Speaker 2: Every one of these Williams, the yeah Rod Yeah, yeah,

1767
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:20,400
Speaker 2: Rogers completely the in terms.

1768
01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:22,839
Speaker 3: Of like Kevin White never scored a touchdown in the NFL.

1769
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:27,840
Speaker 3: Think about that. That's almost yeah, ninety seven and zero, Yeah,

1770
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:30,080
Speaker 3: that's wild, almost ten pick.

1771
01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:31,200
Speaker 4: Wasn't he number four?

1772
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:34,920
Speaker 3: He was so good at ed West Virginia. He was dominant.

1773
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:35,679
Speaker 3: He was like six ' four.

1774
01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:37,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is dominant. Yeah.

1775
01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:42,120
Speaker 2: The Blackman is a guy who was on track to

1776
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:45,000
Speaker 2: be a dude like this dude and just derailed.

1777
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:47,320
Speaker 3: Blackman's in the Josh Gordon category.

1778
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:49,560
Speaker 2: Of can't get right. Yeah, except he didn't even have

1779
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:53,240
Speaker 2: like the Gordon and the Kevin White was picked number seven.

1780
01:21:53,439 --> 01:21:54,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah in the twenty fifteen.

1781
01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:57,800
Speaker 3: Those are really the only ones that are boss. I mean,

1782
01:21:58,120 --> 01:22:00,800
Speaker 3: you're gonna get something. I mean, if you really bowled down,

1783
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:05,960
Speaker 3: he'd ad Mike Williams and David Terrell would be busts. Yeah,

1784
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:08,080
Speaker 3: those a bit, but that's we're stretched like Corn Robinson,

1785
01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:11,120
Speaker 3: Taylor Westbrook, no Way, Warwick, no Way, JJ Stokes at

1786
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:14,640
Speaker 3: ninety three yards thirty touchdowns a ten year career, he

1787
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:16,519
Speaker 3: just never had a season over seven hundred and seventy years.

1788
01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:18,799
Speaker 2: He was also played with Too and was overshadowed almost

1789
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:19,920
Speaker 2: immediately by Too.

1790
01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:20,559
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1791
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:24,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard, man, it's hard. And I think the

1792
01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:27,479
Speaker 2: over the big thing is even if you're not what

1793
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:29,760
Speaker 2: they think you're supposed to be a receiver, you can

1794
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:31,599
Speaker 2: still make a nice living. Like most of these guys

1795
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:35,080
Speaker 2: played five six years and we're contributors. Weren't stars, but

1796
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:35,880
Speaker 2: we're contributors.

1797
01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:41,040
Speaker 5: Like, Also, your definition of bust is kind of how

1798
01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:43,799
Speaker 5: you talk about this, because if you're not, like drafted

1799
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:46,439
Speaker 5: in the top ten, you're expected to be a superstar.

1800
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:49,439
Speaker 5: So if you're average, you're not necessarily a bust, but

1801
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:51,240
Speaker 5: you didn't live up to what you were drafted for.

1802
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:53,000
Speaker 5: So that's kind of where it's tough.

1803
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:54,840
Speaker 3: Yeah to me, like a guy like and I know

1804
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:57,840
Speaker 3: if you were expanding it, like Jalen Rager as a bust,

1805
01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:00,720
Speaker 3: but he wasn't top ten most twenty four overall in

1806
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 3: twenty twenty, so this is more of a modern passing

1807
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:04,960
Speaker 3: ear And he doesn't even have a thousand yards receiving

1808
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:07,960
Speaker 3: for his career, Like, yeah, guys, that's a bust. He's

1809
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:10,640
Speaker 3: on his he'll be on what team's one right now

1810
01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:13,639
Speaker 3: New England. So he's on his third team in four years,

1811
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:17,959
Speaker 3: and he was drafted it right ahead of Justin Jefferson.

1812
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:20,519
Speaker 5: There were some real rights.

1813
01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:23,040
Speaker 2: Can you imagine if they'd taken that, if that's gone

1814
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:25,600
Speaker 2: the other way, if they'd taken Jefferson, they would never

1815
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:27,240
Speaker 2: have traded for a They wouldn't have traded for a J.

1816
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:27,639
Speaker 3: Brown.

1817
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:28,800
Speaker 4: Yep.

1818
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:32,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's wild. And I think one thing to

1819
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:36,720
Speaker 2: watch for guys on the receiver thing going forward here

1820
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:39,559
Speaker 2: and Ryan say this off the top, there are there

1821
01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:43,439
Speaker 2: is such a glut of receiving talent in college football

1822
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:47,200
Speaker 2: that comes in ready to go. I do wonder if

1823
01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:50,200
Speaker 2: you will see sort of a pullback in the paying

1824
01:23:50,240 --> 01:23:55,000
Speaker 2: of receivers because you can replace them. There's guys coming

1825
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:57,400
Speaker 2: and I don't know if it's every I don't think

1826
01:23:57,400 --> 01:23:59,320
Speaker 2: he'll ever be like the running back where you just

1827
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:01,599
Speaker 2: be silly to pay them at all. I don't think

1828
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:03,200
Speaker 2: it's gonna get to that extent, and there will the

1829
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:06,240
Speaker 2: elite guys will still get paid. But if you're not elite,

1830
01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:08,200
Speaker 2: I just don't think there's a never ending pile of

1831
01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:11,080
Speaker 2: money for that position because there's so many guys coming

1832
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:14,400
Speaker 2: in every year. Yeah, all right, we'll do some potential

1833
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:17,439
Speaker 2: trades that we could see from Jeff Kerr in a

1834
01:24:17,479 --> 01:24:19,479
Speaker 2: little thing or not a thing coming up next, listen

1835
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:21,599
Speaker 2: to Cleveland Browns Daily on a fifty ESPN Cleveland.

1836
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:32,880
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns Daily, brought to you by Balley Bed Now

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Speaker 1: Live in Ohio on eight to fifty ESPN Cleveland.

1838
01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:52,000
Speaker 2: All right, welcome back in. Hello, givee hello.

1839
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Speaker 4: Finger not a thing real quick, let's do it. Let's

1840
01:24:56,160 --> 01:24:58,719
Speaker 4: do it. We close out of Monday, nice little Monday.

1841
01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:04,400
Speaker 4: U Draft twenty twenty four Players with uncertain futures who

1842
01:25:04,439 --> 01:25:07,240
Speaker 4: could impact the first round. I like it. Jeff Kerr

1843
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Speaker 4: cbssports dot Com.

1844
01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:09,040
Speaker 2: All right.

1845
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:15,479
Speaker 4: Number one Brandon Ayuk. Ayuk stays with the forty nine

1846
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:18,720
Speaker 4: Ers could be numbered based on a few factors. The

1847
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:20,960
Speaker 4: twenty twenty first round pick will be playing under the

1848
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:24,960
Speaker 4: fifth year option. He's seeking a new contract. Ayuk's agent

1849
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:27,519
Speaker 4: refuted a report of his client requesting a trade, but

1850
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 4: by but Ayuk may not play on the fifth year

1851
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:34,559
Speaker 4: option as he seeks a higher payday. If they don't

1852
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:37,040
Speaker 4: forty nine Ers don't trade Ayuk early in the draft,

1853
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:38,760
Speaker 4: the pressure will be on to reach a long term

1854
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:42,599
Speaker 4: extension thing or not a thing. Brandon Ayuk is more

1855
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:46,440
Speaker 4: important to the forty nine ers' success than Deebo Samuel.

1856
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:48,759
Speaker 2: A'll lean on you, buddy.

1857
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:52,839
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna say, if we're taking like big picture

1858
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:54,960
Speaker 3: looking at it, I'm gonna say it is a thing

1859
01:25:55,160 --> 01:25:58,040
Speaker 3: because Deebo Samuel, in the style of football that he plays,

1860
01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:03,479
Speaker 3: while he is dominant, he's breaking down. Yeah, Ayuk is

1861
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:06,800
Speaker 3: an ascending wide receiver coming off of a career year,

1862
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:13,160
Speaker 3: and I just it, I don't know how long Deebo

1863
01:26:13,320 --> 01:26:17,000
Speaker 3: Samuel has as a dominant player. And what I mean

1864
01:26:17,080 --> 01:26:21,920
Speaker 3: by that is Debo went from you know, fourteen hundred

1865
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:24,920
Speaker 3: yards in twenty twenty one to six thirty two and

1866
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:27,760
Speaker 3: two to eight ninety two and seven, and of course

1867
01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:29,920
Speaker 3: he hads a couple, you know, some rushing yards, but

1868
01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 3: Debo's only been over a thousand yards from scrimmage in

1869
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:34,000
Speaker 3: two of his five seasons, and a lot of that

1870
01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:37,640
Speaker 3: is because he does get nicked up in all of that.

1871
01:26:38,120 --> 01:26:40,720
Speaker 3: He's only been a pro bowler one time. I think

1872
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:44,320
Speaker 3: what Brandon Ayuk does is a little bit more sustainable.

1873
01:26:44,360 --> 01:26:47,120
Speaker 3: Brandon Ayuk's coming off of back to back one thousand

1874
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:50,200
Speaker 3: yard seasons. Brandy Yuk has had more receiving yards every

1875
01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:52,080
Speaker 3: single year he's been in the league. Seven fit forty

1876
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:55,160
Speaker 3: eight is a rookie eight twenty six, ten, fifteen, thirteen

1877
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:57,720
Speaker 3: forty two career high last year in seven touchdowns. So

1878
01:26:58,240 --> 01:27:01,320
Speaker 3: I think, and that's something and you can that's easier

1879
01:27:01,360 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 3: to count on than the amalgamation of all the running

1880
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:06,360
Speaker 3: and yeah, I think so my answer is, yes, I would.

1881
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:08,639
Speaker 3: If I had to make a decision financially, who I'm

1882
01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:11,360
Speaker 3: going to keep with my football team, the answer is

1883
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:13,080
Speaker 3: going to be Brandon Ayuk. And if you were to

1884
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:15,360
Speaker 3: look at the games in which Debo didn't play, and

1885
01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:18,880
Speaker 3: they're only a couple last year, but I went completely bonkers.

1886
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:21,000
Speaker 2: Did they are they? How many? How long do they

1887
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:22,680
Speaker 2: have to pay perty or make a decision about that.

1888
01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:26,920
Speaker 2: This is his second year, so you can pay you

1889
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:30,040
Speaker 2: now do a three year deal extension.

1890
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:33,800
Speaker 3: I don't think it's a thing. I think Brandon Ayuk is.

1891
01:27:34,160 --> 01:27:35,720
Speaker 3: It's not a thing that he's going somewhere. I think

1892
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:36,960
Speaker 3: he's going to be forty nine er And I think

1893
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:39,320
Speaker 3: if they had to make a decision, the decision they

1894
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:43,719
Speaker 3: would make is keeping Ayuk over DIVA.

1895
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:44,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like it.

1896
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:50,080
Speaker 4: Sticking with the Broncos theme, they list Patrick certain the

1897
01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:52,840
Speaker 4: Broncos wouldn't actually trade their best player, would They never

1898
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:54,960
Speaker 4: put it past Sean Payton as the organization is in

1899
01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:57,080
Speaker 4: the midst of a rebuild and doesn't have a franchise

1900
01:27:57,160 --> 01:28:00,840
Speaker 4: quarterback following the Russell Wilson debacco, especially if they want

1901
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 4: to move into the top five from number twelve. Who's

1902
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:09,639
Speaker 4: a more valuable trade commodity for the Broncos, Courtland Sutton

1903
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:12,120
Speaker 4: or Patrick Certan.

1904
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:15,920
Speaker 2: Question Stan by a thousand miles. But here's the deal.

1905
01:28:16,200 --> 01:28:17,760
Speaker 2: This is how I feel like this is gonna go.

1906
01:28:18,479 --> 01:28:21,360
Speaker 2: I think Sean Payton is going to blow this whole

1907
01:28:21,400 --> 01:28:23,479
Speaker 2: operation up. He's gonna I wouldn't like I wouldn't be

1908
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:25,800
Speaker 2: surprised if he did this, because they're not trying to

1909
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:28,519
Speaker 2: win clearly right now, and I think you're I think

1910
01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:32,679
Speaker 2: you're gonna get a very contentious Sean Payton versus Denver

1911
01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:34,880
Speaker 2: media over the course of the next year and a half,

1912
01:28:34,920 --> 01:28:37,280
Speaker 2: and he's going to be a lot of just trust me,

1913
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:39,400
Speaker 2: how many Super Bowl rings do you have? It's gonna

1914
01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:41,000
Speaker 2: be a lot of that type of flexing. Who's the

1915
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:45,040
Speaker 2: last guy who did this and it ended poorly? Was

1916
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:49,519
Speaker 2: it Gruden? Yeah, Gruden kind of got yeah, but I know,

1917
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:51,639
Speaker 2: but like he was kind of it wasn't They missed

1918
01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 2: on a ton of picksh Jennison, people out like him

1919
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:56,519
Speaker 2: and Mayock missed on a ton of They had a

1920
01:28:56,560 --> 01:29:00,080
Speaker 2: ton of assets that they didn't capitalize on. Like, I

1921
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:05,240
Speaker 2: just think this is gonna end not poorly. Yeah, agreed, Yeah,

1922
01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:08,120
Speaker 2: very very poorly. On that side of things. I would

1923
01:29:08,280 --> 01:29:10,160
Speaker 2: I would pay attention to what they're doing because it

1924
01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:13,760
Speaker 2: feels to me like the uniform sucked. They're going to

1925
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:17,200
Speaker 2: clean house and they're gonna bottom out, and Peyton's like

1926
01:29:17,240 --> 01:29:19,360
Speaker 2: the perfect cover for it. Although it's stupid to pay

1927
01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:21,320
Speaker 2: somebody like him that kind of money and what they

1928
01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:23,800
Speaker 2: gave up to get him to lose. Yeah, but that's

1929
01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:26,040
Speaker 2: what they're doing. I mean, that's that was not a

1930
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:27,280
Speaker 2: good day to be a Bronco fan.

1931
01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:29,000
Speaker 4: They was not good. Not a good day.

1932
01:29:29,080 --> 01:29:31,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, so much more to come you let's

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Speaker 2: to clear them Brons Daily on eight fifty.

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Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns Daily, brought to you by Balley bed Now

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Speaker 2: Esp AND Cleveland all right, there you go. Draft Week

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01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:08,559
Speaker 2: Monday edition.

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01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:10,000
Speaker 3: Let's go.

1940
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:12,360
Speaker 2: Now, you got some work to do tonight? Huh, I

1941
01:30:12,439 --> 01:30:12,920
Speaker 2: got some work.

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01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:14,200
Speaker 4: You and Pedman at seven.

1943
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:17,160
Speaker 2: O'clock Draft preview show along the Cleveland Browns.

1944
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:20,679
Speaker 4: Radio Network exclusive with Andrew Berry, they yeah.

1945
01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:24,640
Speaker 2: He'll tell here. Andrew Berry will tell all of you

1946
01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:27,439
Speaker 2: if you listen tonight, everything the Browns are thinking heading

1947
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Speaker 2: into the twenty twenty four NFL Draft A crystal ball

1948
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Speaker 2: into his mind tonight at seven?

1949
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Speaker 4: Is that fair?

1950
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Speaker 7: I think it's within the bounds of believability, within the bounds.

1951
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Speaker 7: The next level is coming up next sixtual listenbody clearly.

1952
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Speaker 7: The Rodsale fifty espcluded.

1953
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Speaker 1: You've been listening to Cleveland Browns Daily, a production of

1954
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Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns, and a fifty ESPN Cleveland

1955
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