1 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: I get everybody. 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 2: I'm Dan Hord and thanks for downloading The Bengals Booth Podcast. 3 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 1: The Remember When addition. 4 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 2: As I look back at roughly twenty five years of 5 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 2: Bengals draft history with a guy who knows the stories 6 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 2: behind the selections, Bengals dot Com editor Jeff Butch Hobson. 7 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 2: You'll also hear from local draft prospect Juwan Briggs out 8 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 2: of the University of Cincinnati, who got quite the surprise 9 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 2: this week, from Bengals team president Mike Brown, and last 10 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 2: but not least, it's my third attempt at a three 11 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 2: round Bengals mock draft. 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It's 22 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 2: the greatest thing since Zach Taylor randomly treating Bengals fans 23 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 2: to breakfast. There was a letter to the editor last 24 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 2: Sunday and the Cincinnati Inquirer that told the story of 25 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 2: a couple having breakfast at a local diner who were 26 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 2: wearing Bengals gear. When they went to the counter to pay, 27 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 2: they were told that Zach Taylor, who was there with 28 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 2: one of his sons, had picked up the tab. On Monday, 29 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 2: I asked Zach if he had seen the letter and 30 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 2: remembered the encounter. 31 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,279 Speaker 3: My neighbor Bart sent me that, so I was aware 32 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 3: of that. 33 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 4: I do know. 34 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 3: The interaction was my son was in abast my other 35 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 3: son was in a basketball tournament in Batavia, and so 36 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 3: I was with my younger son, Luke, and we were 37 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 3: just trying to find some breakfast, and so we went 38 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 3: into the diner there and had a great time, and 39 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 3: there was just it was smaller dinner, and there were 40 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 3: several people wearing gear like you are right now, and 41 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 3: it's it's fun interacting with people seeing them wear Bengals gear. 42 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 3: So it just I just felt felt like I wanted 43 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 3: to show my appreciation. It does lead me to, hey, 44 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 3: if I see people wearing Bengals gear. You never know 45 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 3: that may continue to happen. It may be something we 46 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 3: stumbled upon there that is fun. But again, I just 47 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 3: like being out and about in the community. I think 48 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,239 Speaker 3: you guys have heard me say that, and interacting with people. 49 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 3: It's it is amazing. It's always one hundred percent positive. 50 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 3: I know there's there's a lot of negativity in the 51 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 3: world that can happen online all that stuff, but face 52 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 3: to face interactions that I've had with with people in 53 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 3: the community is one hundred percent positive and supportive and 54 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 3: always appreciate that. Love driving down the road and just 55 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 3: seeing people wearing Bengals gears are out jogging or walking, 56 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 3: and so when I get a chance to go into 57 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 3: these restaurants and see those people, it's it's it's just 58 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 3: fun to interact with them. 59 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 2: The moral of the story is out, if you live 60 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 2: in the Cincinnati area and you're going out to eat 61 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 2: where Bengals gear, your meal could be paid for by 62 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 2: a generous and very kind Bengals head coach. Now let's 63 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 2: get to my first guest. In the Broadway musical Hamilton, 64 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 2: the Aaron Burr character sings about wanting to be in 65 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 2: the room where it happens, referring to places where powerful 66 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 2: people make important decisions. Well, when it comes to the draft, 67 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 2: Bengals dot Com editor Jeff Hobson has been there, the 68 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 2: so called war room where Bengals picks are discussed and 69 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 2: ultimately made. Jeff joined me this week to discuss some 70 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 2: key decisions in the past and what we might expect 71 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 2: next week. Which let me start by wishing you a 72 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 2: happy anniversary. It was twenty four years ago this week 73 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 2: that you joined the Bengals to write for the website, 74 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 2: and it was unheard of at the time. No team 75 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 2: had ever hired a local beat writer who at times 76 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 2: had been critical of coaches and ownership, et cetera, to 77 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 2: be their website reporter. 78 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: So twenty four years ago this week. 79 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 5: Thank you for saying at times, because it was a 80 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 5: little bit. There was a lot of. 81 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 6: Times in the nineties when you know, a lot of 82 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 6: things were written, and I think there were some people 83 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 6: in the building looking at Mike like he was nuts. 84 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 6: But I actually even told him, I said, you know, Mike, 85 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 6: I'm not too sure, you know, I said, I you know, 86 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 6: you might want to look for a younger person who's 87 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 6: got a background in computers, because you know, I didn't. 88 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 6: I didn't know anything about the you know Internet. They 89 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 6: could barely operate my own laptop, which is, you know, 90 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 6: best known for losing a space bad during Tim Pughes 91 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 6: near no hitdring San Diego. 92 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 5: So I thought that perhaps that. 93 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 6: But he said no, He said, I want somebody that 94 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 6: the fans know when they trust and will give them 95 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 6: the you know, give them the information. 96 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:56,239 Speaker 5: And I always knew. 97 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 6: The best contract in sports was a handshake with Mike 98 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 6: Brown because a loyal guy, and if I was loyal 99 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 6: to him, it would be Ah, I. 100 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 5: Think it would be a it was. 101 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 6: It was you know what I mean, it was a 102 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 6: it was a I knew it was gonna be an 103 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 6: honest deal. Sometimes the newspapers, you never know was gonna happen, 104 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 6: and I knew I didn't. But I think Mike could 105 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 6: see a little bit that uh he had he had 106 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 6: seen what had happened to the afternoon paper. You know, 107 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 6: I had seen what had happened in the afternoon paper. 108 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 6: And I think we were you know, I think he 109 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 6: kind of sense that something was happening with the Internet, 110 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 6: and he was he was exactly right. I I like 111 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 6: a couple of months after I joined, Mike Eisen, the 112 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 6: Giants dot com guy called me wondering what the Cincinnati 113 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 6: Inquirer was going to do to fill the beat job, 114 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 6: and I told him about my job, and like he 115 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 6: hung up the phone with me, and he called John 116 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 6: Marra and now he's he's been over there, uh since 117 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 6: since then too, So it's uh, you know, I I 118 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 6: credit Mike to me. It was Mike kind of seeing 119 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 6: ahead before a lot of us, including me, and I 120 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 6: would It's the best decision I ever made in the business, 121 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 6: and keep doing it for as long as I can. 122 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 5: I'm thrilled, and I hope Mike is too. 123 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 2: Happy anniversary. Mike was ahead of his time, and so 124 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 2: were you. Your office here at Peykor Stadium is right 125 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 2: around the corner from the Bengals quote unquote war room 126 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 2: for the draft. What's going on a week before the draft? 127 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 6: I think they're still going by positions. I think that's 128 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 6: probably gonna finish up. If it hasn't finished up already, 129 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 6: and we're talking Wednesday, eight days out, then it's gonna 130 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 6: be finished up tomorrow, or it'd certainly be finished up 131 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 6: by the time Duke meets the media on Friday, and 132 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 6: then I think next week is reserved for stacking if 133 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 6: they haven't already done some of that stacking the board 134 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 6: ranking just purely ranking the players who's uh, you know, 135 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 6: who's who they see has better than the guy blow 136 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 6: why's better? And I think a lot of goes into that. 137 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 6: It goes into you know, feedback and coaches. Obviously the 138 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 6: scouts and Duke are are at the helm, and I 139 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 6: also needs, I think, you know, needs go into it two. 140 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 6: So I think that's what's happening right now. They're on 141 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 6: the verge of stacking it if they haven't already. 142 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 2: Your first draft for Bengals dot Com was two thousand, 143 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 2: the Peter Warwick first round draft pick a draft, but 144 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 2: the previous year you were covering the team for the 145 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 2: Inquirer when the Bengals turned down multiple picks from the 146 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 2: Saints and selected Akilee Smith. Of all of the topics 147 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 2: that I have ever discussed with Mike Brown, that was 148 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 2: probably the one he was least interested in revisiting. I 149 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 2: guess for obvious reasons. The Bengals weren't the only team 150 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 2: to turn down that deal. They were one of four 151 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 2: that said no to the Saints. But do you think 152 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 2: if the Bengals could have a mull again on just 153 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 2: about any decision in franchise history, that would be high list. 154 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 4: You know. 155 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 6: It's it's interesting because Mike, as you know, is so 156 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 6: fought right about you know, about talking about things, and 157 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 6: I it's funny, I think because that is at the 158 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 6: core of Mike's philosophy. I think, is how important quarterback is, 159 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 6: you know, And I just think he. 160 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 5: Felt like a kill. And again I think he had 161 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 5: a I think he. 162 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 6: Knew that Achilles Smith was at least he was kind 163 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 6: of had the traits of the modern guy, you know, 164 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 6: he was a very athletic guy, didn't really you know, 165 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 6: obviously he struggled for many reasons and it was not 166 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 6: a good pick. But I think the core is, you know, 167 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,719 Speaker 6: you need the quarterback. I don't need the nine guys, right. 168 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 6: It was like nine draft picks, right, And he says, 169 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 6: but if you get a quarterback, if you get a 170 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 6: franchise quarterback, that's more important than nine picks. So which 171 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 6: is at the crux? And I think that's at the 172 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 6: crux of philosophy now. And I think it's at the 173 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 6: crux at the philosophy of the league now because in 174 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 6: those twenty five years it's become a it always was 175 00:08:56,400 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 6: a quarterbacks league. It's really a quarterbacks league after Radiant 176 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 6: Manning and the rule changes. You know, so my kind 177 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 6: of but was you know, he could see it there too. 178 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 6: It just didn't have the right guy. I later went 179 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 6: back and you know who did the the nine guys 180 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 6: who did they become well, nobody that changed the game. 181 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 2: There was one really good player, Champ Bailey. The other 182 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:23,079 Speaker 2: guys didn't really work out for what right, Yeah, I'm 183 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:24,839 Speaker 2: talking yeah, right. Bailey was a Hall of Famer. 184 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 6: Yeah, and uh but the other you know, uh uh 185 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,959 Speaker 6: And would Champ Bailey have turned around the Bengals at 186 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 6: that point more than a good quarterback. 187 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 5: Probably not. 188 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 2: The Bengals turned down a lot, or at least we 189 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:40,839 Speaker 2: believe they turned down a lot. When Joe Burrows the 190 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 2: number one overall pick, that one worked out pretty well, Joe. 191 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 6: And that's Mike's philosophy right there, in a nutshell. And 192 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 6: he wasn't budget he uh you know, he met the 193 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:53,719 Speaker 6: guy at the combine and his coaches loved them. 194 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 5: It's another big piece of it. 195 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 6: And the coaches just thought he was you know, remember 196 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,959 Speaker 6: Dan Pitcher then the quarterbacks coach, and that was his 197 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 6: first That was his first assignment really as quarterbacks coach, 198 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 6: was to go to the combine and walk Joe Burrow 199 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 6: through about fifteen clips in their eighteen minute interview and 200 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 6: picture now the offensive coordinator. But you know, he was 201 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 6: great talking about how you know, he just knew when 202 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 6: the guy never minded he had the greatest you know, 203 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 6: he went in and everybody knew what in he had 204 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,239 Speaker 6: the greatest college season anybody had ever had. His accuracy, 205 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 6: you couldn't value with it, his performance in big games, 206 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 6: couldn't argue with it. But when you talk to him 207 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 6: about the game and how it just seamlessly. You know, 208 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 6: that's why I think sold everybody was. It wasn't just 209 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 6: those eighteen minutes, but it was you know, I think 210 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 6: I think that sealed it because they had known what 211 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 6: they were getting, but then to see the guy up close, 212 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 6: and I think, you know, like I said, that's that's 213 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:57,839 Speaker 6: the philosophy at work, and the Brady Manning decade did 214 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,040 Speaker 6: nothing but to amplify it. 215 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 5: It is a quarterbacks league. 216 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 2: So your second draft for Bengals dot Com was arguably 217 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 2: the best draft in franchise history. Five time Pro bowler 218 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 2: Justin Smith in round one, six time Pro bowler Chad 219 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 2: Johnson in round two, the Bengals single season rushing record 220 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 2: holder Rudy Johnson in round four. He was a pro bowler, 221 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 2: the single season receptions record holder TJ. 222 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: Hushman's ot in round seven. He was a pro bowler. 223 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 2: Does anything stand out to you about being around the 224 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 2: team for that two thousand and one draft. 225 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, the it started out with Mike would get back 226 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 6: to Mike about how this guy he knows his stuff, right. 227 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 6: I think you'll recall with just coming off the Achilles 228 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 6: Smith thing, he wasn't the answer. They were a month 229 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 6: out after signing John Kidnap, who was They felt like 230 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 6: he was a guy they could fit in and they 231 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 6: had They felt like they had a really good defense, 232 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 6: and if you get a quarterback with their running game, 233 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 6: I think they felt like with with you know, with 234 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 6: Donay Scott and Peter war I think they felt like 235 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 6: they had the weapons they had. You know, Corey was 236 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 6: at the top of his game, Corey Dillon the running back. 237 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 6: So I think they felt like we Kittna could couldn't 238 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 6: manage it, could manage, you know, could could win games 239 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 6: for them and make them contenders. And so they weren't 240 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 6: thinking about a quarterback, but you know, Mike was. You know, 241 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 6: if it was if Mike had his brothers at number four, 242 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 6: they had the fourth pick, he would have taken Drew Brees, 243 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 6: you know. And so what I remember about that draft 244 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 6: is you remember the Bengals took Justin Smith hell of 245 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 6: a pick, and then but as Breeze kept dropping, you know, 246 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 6: people were getting uncomfortable because as Breeze kept getting close 247 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 6: and closer, they knew Mike would not pass him in 248 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 6: the second round. 249 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 5: You know that that they knew that was not going 250 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 5: to happen. 251 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 6: So they were getting little you know, we get Kit 252 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 6: and they were just signed Kitt and there we can 253 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 6: of get hey, you know, they're not. I don't think 254 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 6: many people were. You know, they thought that they thought 255 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 6: the kid was too short. They thought that was kind 256 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 6: of high form, I think, you know, going back and 257 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 6: trying to place, but you know, the they it was high. 258 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 6: It was regarded for Breeze in the room. But I 259 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 6: you know, I think they felt like they had had 260 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 6: their plan here and that he wasn't the kind of 261 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 6: guy who was gonna make you rip it up. I 262 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 6: think they knew that Mike would though, and as it 263 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 6: you know. 264 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 5: And then of. 265 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:18,959 Speaker 6: Course we know history tells us the Chadgers took breeze 266 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 6: I think at thirty. 267 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,439 Speaker 5: Two perhaps, uh. 268 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 4: And then. 269 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 6: Three four five picks later, Chad Johnson worked worked out, 270 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 6: worked out pretty well, you know, and then to get 271 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 6: t J. Huschmanzada, which I'm gonna write about later in 272 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:39,719 Speaker 6: the week. You know, Bob Bratkowski making a call as 273 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 6: to pick up closer in the seventh round, uh, making 274 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:45,959 Speaker 6: a call to uh Dennis Erickson, who was a good 275 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 6: coach a long time with Bratt. 276 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 4: Uh and Uh. 277 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 6: He made a quick call because Bratt liked tushman Zada, Uh, 278 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 6: I think on tape, but he wanted to you know, 279 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 6: he wanted to get more from Ericsson. And I think 280 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 6: that was what put him over the top there and 281 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 6: that that was a good call as well. 282 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 5: And that was a good you know, it was a. 283 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 6: Practice had a few questions and Eric's had answered them 284 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 6: and that's the way it should be done. 285 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: And then TJ answered them in the affirmative. That's for sure. 286 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 2: I think you can make the case that since two 287 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 2: thousand and eight, when the Bengals drafted Andre Smith, Ray 288 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 2: Maulaluga and Kevin Huber. They've drafted as well as just 289 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 2: about any team in the NFL. They've landed impact players 290 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 2: in fourteen of their last fifteen drafts. 291 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: I would say only the Cedric Oboahi Jake Fisher year 292 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: was the exception. 293 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 2: Have they done anything differently since two thousand and eight 294 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 2: or better in your opinion? 295 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 6: Well, I mean, all you can look is at the changes. 296 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 6: You know, Duke Toben has taken over the draft pretty much. 297 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 6: You know, Mike still cheers the meetings, and Mike's still 298 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 6: you know, heavily involved running the thing, but it's Duke's 299 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 6: Duke's run in the draft room. I think that's a shift. 300 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 6: You know, you've obviously had a change in coaches and 301 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 6: coaching philosophy. Uh And I think probably, you know, it's 302 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 6: probably you know, it's it's probably more the process is 303 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 6: probably more scouting centric than than coaching centric. I think, 304 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 6: probably than it has been in the past. But I 305 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 6: still think the coaches are are involved here as much 306 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 6: as they are anywhere in the league. Any Paul Brown team, 307 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 6: Mike Brown team will make sure to that that the 308 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 6: coaches are involved on the and on the same page. 309 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 6: You know, I just think there's probably a little bit 310 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 6: more directions from the scouts and you know, Duke, Duke 311 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 6: is running the thing so with you know, with heavy 312 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 6: input from Mike. And you know, Duke's been here a 313 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 6: long you know, Duke's been here since I think ninety 314 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 6: nine and I think the ninety nine draft I think 315 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 6: was his first draft, and so he's got a good 316 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 6: feel for the family and uh for what Mike's looking for, 317 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 6: what the team needs, and so you get that experience too. 318 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 5: So if there's a difference, I just think it's probably 319 00:15:57,520 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 5: you know, Duke. 320 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 6: Is Duke is is running it, has more of a 321 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 6: has more of a hand with Mike now. And I 322 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 6: think the draft rooms more streamlined too. 323 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 5: That's a change. I think that. 324 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 6: Probably came from COVID, but I think that's the way 325 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 6: Duke was headed any way, to kind of cut down 326 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 6: the people in the room a little bit. The position 327 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 6: coaches are no longer in the when when the clock 328 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 6: is ticking, the position. 329 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 5: Coaches are no longer in the room. But they've had 330 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 5: their say. 331 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 6: I mean they've they've already had their say in the 332 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 6: meetings leading up to it. 333 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 5: So those are just a few of the changes. 334 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 6: But I think, you know, you talk about the two 335 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 6: thousand and one draft, I think that two thousand you know, 336 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 6: the two thousand and six draft was was huge too, 337 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 6: because those guys, I think five of those guys. 338 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 5: Draft that played at least twelve years. 339 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 6: You're talking about, uh, you know, Jonathan Joseph, Andrew Whitworth, 340 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 6: Frosty Rucker, Domito Peigo, and then the supplement will picking 341 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 6: that draft. 342 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 5: I'm on Brooks I think played a dozen years. 343 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 6: The other guys sort of the the other guy's played 344 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 6: more than a dozen years. I believe that's a hell 345 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 6: of a draft. And then any discussion the best draft 346 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 6: in franchise history is going to be twenty twenty and 347 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 6: twenty twenty one. You know, Burrow Higgins, Logan Wilson, top three. 348 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 6: That's as about as impactful as you get. They might 349 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 6: not have the awards the one people had, but certainly 350 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 6: the impact. And then the next year you got Jamett Chase, 351 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 6: the greatest rookie receiver of all time and Evan McPherson 352 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 6: the greatest rookie kicker of all time. 353 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 5: That's a pretty good draft too. 354 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 2: The Bengals have never allowed live network TV cameras into 355 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 2: the war room, but you've. 356 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 7: Been in there. 357 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: Is there drama? Are there knocked down dragouts? 358 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 5: What's it like as nobody's standing on a table? You 359 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 5: know a lot of these. 360 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 6: Decisions have been made. Well, no, they aren't made. They're 361 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:49,959 Speaker 6: being made now. You know, like you talk, what are 362 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 6: they doing now? They're having those exact discussions. 363 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 5: You know, it's Mike. 364 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 6: Is chairing it, you know, two command on the phones. 365 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 6: It's like I said this, I think I wrote this 366 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 6: the other day. It's like you ever watch the series. 367 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 5: Banded Kind, you know, for all Mankind. 368 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 6: The series about space. It's like these guys are looking 369 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 6: at console. They're trying to they're trying to land a 370 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 6: man on Mars, you know what I mean. 371 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 5: It's very quiet. 372 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 6: It's very you know, there's the word of computers or 373 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 6: they've had these discussions. 374 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 5: There's the board, you know, it's it's in there. 375 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 6: As you get closer, there's discussion about yeah, this is 376 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 6: how we thought it was gonna happen, you know, and 377 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 6: there might be ah, you know, LOUI you like this 378 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 6: guy right, and you know, or something like that. I mean, 379 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 6: it's a it's pretty it's pretty made up. There's no 380 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 6: there's no scrambling, Oh my god, we got to trade 381 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 6: up or trade down or yeah, you know, here's our guy. 382 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 6: And if and if you know, the board is the 383 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 6: board is done, and that's pretty much. Yeah, it's not 384 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 6: the you know, I hate to hate to say it, 385 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 6: but it's. 386 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 5: Not you know, it's not madness. 387 00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 4: You know. 388 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 2: I think one of the lesser known significant figures in 389 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 2: Bengals draft history was Pete Brown, Mike's brother who passed 390 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 2: away back in twenty seventeen. Well before there was a 391 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 2: mel Kiper or a Dane Brugler. Pete Brown was the 392 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 2: guy who you could name anybody in the upcoming draft 393 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 2: and he had his bio down inside and out. 394 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 5: This guy was the ultimate personnel guy. 395 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 6: I mean he was what a great man too, just 396 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 6: a great guy, just a great personality. And he he knew. 397 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 6: I mean, you know, I always thought if you gave Mike, 398 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 6: I mean, if you gave Pete a you know, a 399 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 6: six pack of a sprite and a Subway sandwich and 400 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 6: just saying going to the draft and draft force to 401 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 6: be a hell of a draft. You know, first of 402 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 6: all the board was in his mind. He knew the way, 403 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 6: he knew this stuff off the top of his head. 404 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 6: He could and it was everybody. It just wasn't the 405 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 6: top twelve prospects. 406 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 5: It was it was. Remember Pete, uh. 407 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 6: Did great work for this franchise back in the day 408 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:08,120 Speaker 6: with the historically black colleges, did a lot of travel. 409 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 5: You know, he had a lot of networks. 410 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 6: You know, he was the guy who you know, kind 411 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 6: of got the first tip on Kenny Anderson. Uh So 412 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 6: he just had all these all this vast network. And 413 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 6: then as the scouting because he was basically he and 414 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 6: Frank Smouse were the guys who were doing it. And 415 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 6: then when the scouting staff grew, Pete kind of court. 416 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,360 Speaker 6: You know, Pete did coordinate the board and where everybody 417 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 6: was going and what they were doing. And but he 418 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 6: just he just he had this just this great knowledge 419 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 6: of the board. He could answer any question about any guy, 420 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 6: and very calm. 421 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 5: He was very very calming presence. 422 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 6: And I think, uh, obviously it was devastating for Mike 423 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 6: to lose Pete for obviously many reasons. He was his 424 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 6: he was his younger brother, he was the Pete was 425 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,679 Speaker 6: the baby you know and uh they were very close. 426 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 6: And uh but you know when he passed and the 427 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 6: next in and in the ensuing drafts, it was, you know, 428 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 6: Mike had lost his you know, his right arm almost 429 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 6: you know, uh, because Mike could look there, he could 430 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 6: look to his right or to his left wherever Pete 431 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 6: was sitting. And you know they were they were, they 432 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 6: were like brothers. They they thought alike, you know, they 433 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 6: the you know, they felt a lot alike. And and 434 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 6: they and Pete was never afraid to speak his mind. 435 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 6: And uh, you know what a what a resource that man, 436 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 6: that man was, I mean he was, uh it was, 437 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 6: uh he was the the ultimate NFL personnel guy. And 438 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 6: as you could see when he passed, you know, everybody 439 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 6: from Gil Gil Brandt and and and and and I 440 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 6: remember at the UH at a super Bowl, I he 441 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 6: he had I recently Pete had passed, and I had 442 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 6: I knew that Belichick liked, you know, liked Pete, So 443 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 6: I I made it a point to try and ask 444 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 6: him a question at the Super Bowl about the passing 445 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 6: of uh of Pete. And he was very u you know, 446 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 6: he gave a great, great answer and uh An he 447 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 6: made sure he called mommy, because I think I had 448 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 6: tried to tell the Patriots people, look, I just got 449 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,679 Speaker 6: to get him on this topic. And so uh and 450 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 6: which says something for what what what Pete was thought 451 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 6: of in the game. 452 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 1: No question about it. 453 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 2: More recently, has the dynamic changed in the draft room 454 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 2: from a Marvin Lewis draft to a Zach Taylor draft? 455 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 5: You're talking about two different guys. 456 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 6: I think the dynamic of the organization is the same, 457 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 6: but they obviously have you know, they bring their perspectives 458 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 6: and opinions different, you know, different, But I don't think 459 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 6: and I'm and you know, like I said, since they're streamlined, 460 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 6: you know, since since the room is streamlined now you 461 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,360 Speaker 6: only can get a sense of what's going on in there. 462 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 6: But my, you know, my sense is that Zach's gotta 463 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 6: got a lot to say, just like any just like 464 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 6: all the head. 465 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 5: Coaches or you know, for the Bengals have had in. 466 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 6: Drafts's let's face it, it's a like I said before, it 467 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 6: was an organization founded by a coach and that's the 468 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:01,640 Speaker 6: way things are gonna be run. So I think Zach 469 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 6: hash you know, I think Zach's got a lot to say. 470 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 6: I mean, he's got he's the guy with the vision 471 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 6: of the of the roster because he's the guy that 472 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 6: I mean, Duke has a vision. And I think that's 473 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 6: why Zuke and Zach and Duke maybe you should call 474 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 6: him Zuke because that they're they're they're that close to 475 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 6: the team, you know. And I think Duke and Zach 476 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 6: do a great job talking, uh, because you can tell 477 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 6: that the Duke is getting his kind of guys, you know. 478 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 6: And so I think there's that that symmetry going. And 479 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 6: I think, you know, yeah, Zach, Zach, I think has 480 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 6: h you know, he's he's got uh. I think Zach 481 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 6: and Duke both have each other's confidence, which is what 482 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 6: you have to have. I mean, you know how many 483 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 6: you know, when you see the demise of these teams, it's, uh, 484 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 6: where does it start? It's you know, it's uh, coaches, 485 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 6: GM's not on the same page. But you don't get 486 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 6: that here. But those two guys, Zuke, Zeke, I guess 487 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 6: or whatever. I don't know, but those are those guys 488 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 6: are a good team. 489 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 2: In the twenty twenty draft, everybody they selected except for 490 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 2: Tea was a captain on his college team, and he 491 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 2: probably would have been if he's stuck around at Clemson 492 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 2: for another year. Do you think that that has changed 493 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 2: under Zach? Is there more of an emphasis not specifically 494 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,120 Speaker 2: in captains per se, but guys that love the grind? 495 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's right. 496 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 6: I think he's left his imprint on that on this, 497 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 6: on on that, I think, uh, what's what's he said? 498 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 6: We want guys that like ball, you know. And I 499 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 6: think you can see that in the guys that they 500 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 6: go after. And of course Zach doesn't have his he 501 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 6: gets immersed in these guys later on in the process. 502 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,679 Speaker 6: The big thing is the scouts know, I think what 503 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 6: a Zach guy is. That's a big thing. And and 504 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,439 Speaker 6: and uh so they go into these places, you know, 505 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 6: when a when a Christian Sakkasian or Andrew Johnson, the regionals, 506 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 6: you know, the area of Scouts go in. They know 507 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,360 Speaker 6: they're they're looking for those grinders. And you know, Paul 508 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 6: Danner Jr. Had an interesting story the other day on 509 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 6: The Athletic. He does a hell of a job covering 510 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 6: the club for The Athletic about the traits that have 511 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 6: emerged in Zach's six seasons. And that's a big that's 512 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 6: that's a lot of it up there is the captain, 513 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 6: you know, and that's that's one of the things that 514 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 6: certainly is emerged in the last couple of years. 515 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 5: Is that they they seem to get terrific guys. 516 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it pays off. 517 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 2: I think the culture is a direct reflection of the 518 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 2: kind of guys that they've been drafting in recent years. 519 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,919 Speaker 1: So let's talk a little bit about this year's draft. 520 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,400 Speaker 2: The Bengals almost certainly will need a right tackle next year, 521 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 2: since Trent Brown only signed for one season. They could 522 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,439 Speaker 2: also use a defensive tackle with DJ Reader going to 523 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 2: Detroit and BJ Hill entering the final year of his contract. 524 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 1: In your opinion, is. 525 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 2: The eighteenth pick most likely to be an offensive or 526 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 2: defensive tackle? 527 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 5: Most likely? I hate to say most likely in a draft. 528 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 6: I think if you look at the trends of the 529 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 6: last couple of years under Zach say, or you know 530 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 6: recently under Duke, that's gonna be it's gonna be a 531 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 6: big man. It would seem like, you know, I know, 532 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 6: there's a thought process of there, you know, the the 533 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,479 Speaker 6: higher the pick, the bigger the guy, you know. So 534 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 6: I clearly they view it as a premium position. But 535 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,880 Speaker 6: I also think on the other end of it. That's 536 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 6: why I'm a little bit hesitant to pigeonhole this one 537 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 6: because I you know, talking to Steven Is, the director 538 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 6: of Pro Scouting. 539 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 5: I sat down with him last week. 540 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 6: He was really good talking about for the first time 541 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 6: since he in a long time, both the first you're 542 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,120 Speaker 6: gonna get a first round or in the first round 543 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 6: at number eighteen and you're gonna get a second round 544 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,360 Speaker 6: or where they picking the second round, and in most 545 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 6: years you don't see that, you know, particularly in the 546 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 6: first round. He goes, you know, if you're picking at eighteen, 547 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 6: probably not a guy who you have graded as a 548 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 6: first rounder. 549 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 2: Let me just clarify for a second, because people might 550 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 2: be confused when you say they're going to get a 551 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,919 Speaker 2: first rounder in the first round, and people will think, well, 552 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 2: what do you mean by that. Last year, I believe 553 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 2: they had thirteen players graded is what they considered to 554 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:02,360 Speaker 2: be first round cal burd players. Miles Murphy was one 555 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,479 Speaker 2: of them and they were able to select him. So 556 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 2: this year they think there are more true first round 557 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 2: picks graded his first round picks than usual. 558 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 6: Yeah, they will get if you're at eighteen, you will 559 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 6: get one of those, and I think the year before 560 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,120 Speaker 6: with Dak Hill the same thing. It was about thirteen 561 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 6: or fourteen graded in the graded first round game. And 562 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 6: then when they picked at thirty I think or thirty one. 563 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 6: I guess they picked at thirty one, Dax was one 564 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 6: of those first rounders who was there. So they've been 565 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,640 Speaker 6: kind of lucky as far as their board goes, you know, 566 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 6: but this time it's going to be a legit guy. 567 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 6: So what I guess all I'm saying is if you 568 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 6: think you can get a right tackle on the second 569 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 6: round and you got the best corner, if you got 570 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 6: the best cornerback staring back and you know they're not. 571 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 5: Exactly deeper corner. Now I get the DJ Reader thing. 572 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 6: I understand that, but you know they've only got like, 573 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 6: they've only got two who's who are the outside guys 574 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 6: behind their two starters, Cam Taylor Britt and DJ Turner. 575 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 6: You know, so I think, you know what if Wicked 576 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 6: is from Clemson staring at you there and you know 577 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,159 Speaker 6: you can get a right tackle, and you know you 578 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 6: can get a right tackle in the second round, I mean, 579 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,880 Speaker 6: you know, we've talked about the d tackles. There seem 580 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 6: to be some but there later there may be third 581 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 6: day guys. So and another thing, what if Brian Thomas 582 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 6: Junior is sitting at the wide receiver from LSU. 583 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 5: You know he's yeah, okay, he's. 584 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 6: Not a great round or a great right runner and 585 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,719 Speaker 6: all that and everything, but he can do it. You know, 586 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 6: I mean, he's gonna be a hell of a player 587 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 6: once he learns to run some routes, you know what 588 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 6: I mean. And you know they don't have their slock 589 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 6: guye Tyler Boyd. You know what if you get a 590 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 6: guy like promise, you stick him in and he and 591 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 6: he catches forty balls. That's the other thing is Joe 592 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 6: Burrow's window. Get a guy that can help you. Now, 593 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 6: get a guy you know you're this close that well, 594 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 6: that first round pick is going to help you anyway. 595 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 6: He better be his a first round pick. Even Miles 596 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 6: Murphy was in a last year, the first round pick. 597 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 6: He was played at a very stacked position edge, which 598 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 6: is already you know, two great veterans, you still play 599 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 6: two hundred and sixty eight snaps and still play some 600 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 6: Keith thirty downs. This guy's got to be a do 601 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 6: you take a right tackle? He's gonna sit behind Trent. 602 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 6: You know, do you take a rotating defensive tackle or 603 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 6: do you take a corner who's probably going to be 604 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 6: playing quicker. 605 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 5: I don't know. 606 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 6: This is why it's not a just the you know, 607 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 6: it's never really easy, especially to me. It's more of 608 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 6: a problem, not a problem, but it's more of a dilemma. 609 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 6: When you have a you're staring at a first round guy. 610 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 6: You know, you might be able to pass it off 611 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 6: and say, okay, if he's a second round or let's 612 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 6: get an alignment now, let's get our alignment now. But 613 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 6: if he's a legit guy, if he's a legit corner 614 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 6: or a legit wide receiver staring at you, well, you know, 615 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 6: let's think about. 616 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: It, right sure. I mean, on the topic of wide receiver. 617 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 2: I hear Zach Taylor's voice in the back of my 618 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 2: head going back to the twenty twenty one draft where 619 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 2: I was pounding the table for take Pinace, well take 620 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 2: the pass blocker, and Zach Taylor said, we chose the 621 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 2: guy who scores touchdowns, so that is always going to 622 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 2: be a consideration. 623 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 6: And he was echoing Pete Brown right there. Pete Brown 624 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 6: was let's get a touchdown guy. So yeah, I mean in. 625 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 5: Zach, look at the Zach. That's exactly right. 626 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 6: And you know Zach's not only run of the offense, 627 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 6: he's calling the game. 628 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 5: Give the guy to pick. 629 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 6: You know, if he thinks this guy is going to 630 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 6: help him right now on Sunday, maybe you better listen 631 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 6: to that guy. Now. 632 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 5: I don't know what Zach is saying. 633 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 4: I don't know, but I. 634 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 5: Mean if he's got input. 635 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 6: On like that, like on an offensive guy, you know 636 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 6: that's got a factor into two two. 637 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 2: So you talked about stacking the board earlier. They're going 638 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 2: to have a list of the top eighteen players in 639 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 2: their mind going into the first round of the draft, 640 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 2: and it won't include quarterbacks because they don't need one. 641 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 2: So certainly three quarterbacks are going to be taken before 642 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 2: they're on the clock, probably four, maybe five, But they're 643 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,719 Speaker 2: going to get one of the top probably fourteen guys 644 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 2: on their with their first round pick. 645 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 6: The latest Bengals dot Com media mark had six quarterbacks taken. 646 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, so right. 647 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 6: I mean you're gonna get a you know, uh what 648 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 6: if what if Mitchell somehow slides the cornerback? 649 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 5: You know, you won't slide the cornerback from Toledo. 650 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 6: But what if what if Wiggins is the first cornerback 651 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 6: taken from Clemson and Mitchell is is sitting there. That's one. 652 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 6: The Thomas scenario is another. The other scenario was, well, 653 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 6: you know, maybe somebody maybe maybe maybe Pennix and or 654 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 6: bow Knix is falling and uh, some team comes up 655 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 6: to get them at eighteen and then then maybe do 656 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 6: you trade back a couple and boom you get your 657 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 6: O tackle and your wide receiver or your O tackle 658 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 6: and your corner or whatever, say whatever it is, a 659 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 6: defensive tackle or whatever it is, with a trade back. 660 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 6: I you know, that's what they're doing right now. I 661 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 6: think is when we talked about stacking. I think they 662 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 6: already know. I think they already have as of who 663 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 6: they're going to be talking about at eighteen. I think 664 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 6: they already know the four guys are probably going to 665 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 6: be talking about five maybe, and they'll make that decision. 666 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 6: And they'll make that decision now because they'll see it. 667 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 6: They'll see it at you know, Indie will pick, the 668 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 6: Saints will pick at fourteen, and there's going to be 669 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 6: the fifteen, sixteen, seventeen in the left right and they'll 670 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 6: be the forty guys that they had talked about a 671 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 6: week ago, and they'll, you know, and it will be 672 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 6: and it will be decided. It won't be, you know, 673 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 6: they'll they'll and the reasons will be said now and 674 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 6: not undrafted. 675 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 2: Let me get back to offensive line. They've drafted great 676 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 2: ones like Andrew Whitworth and Kevin Zeitdler. They've drafted good 677 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 2: ones like Jonah Williams. They've drafted guys that didn't work out, 678 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 2: like Cedric Colboyhee and Billy Price. They've spent a ton 679 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 2: of money in free agency in recent years on the 680 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 2: offensive line. It's going to be harder to do that 681 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 2: after the Joe Burrow extension. How do you think that 682 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 2: impacts them going into the draft. Do they need to 683 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 2: take an offensive lineman with high end traits early in 684 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 2: light of the salary cap in their budget going forward. 685 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 5: That's a great question. 686 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 4: You know. 687 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 6: He always I'm always amazed by these guys. And I'm 688 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 6: not on Twitter very much, but when I'm on there 689 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 6: and I'm always amazed by people say get him an 690 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 6: offensive line, get them this, get him, you know, get 691 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 6: him an offense, get him. Somebody's gonna protect them. That's 692 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 6: all they've done since he's arrived here. They've they've signed guys, 693 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 6: they've drafted guys. So I don't know what more else 694 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 6: they have to do. I think it's a great question. 695 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 6: I do think they have to. They got left tackle solved, 696 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 6: and they've got to solve right tackle. And it's it's 697 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 6: will they be able to rent a guy? I guess 698 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 6: is the question. They've rented ever since he's been here, 699 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 6: they've rented or right tackle, And you know, I think 700 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 6: it to me, it sounds like there's plenty of them 701 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 6: out there this year who do have those traits. And 702 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 6: I you know, something else too, is I think that 703 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 6: you're talking about a guy like Trent Brown. He is 704 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 6: a hell of a pass protector, that's what he does. 705 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 6: I mean, you know, he's a little you know, you know, 706 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 6: he's he's been He's only thirty, I think, correct me 707 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 6: if I'm writing, but he's been. You know, this is 708 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 6: his tenth season. I think, so he brings a lot 709 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 6: of experience. You know, do you maybe bring him back 710 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 6: two or three more years or something? So you know, 711 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 6: I just think yes, I mean, you know, they'll have 712 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 6: to eventually, I guess find it right tackle. 713 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,399 Speaker 5: But it's worked out pretty good, pretty well the way 714 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 5: they've been doing it. 715 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 6: I mean, I don't think you know, it's a position 716 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 6: that's uh. I think they've you know, when they switched 717 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 6: Jonah over there, they draft some you know, they signed 718 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,719 Speaker 6: some guys reef Lyle Collins. I think those guys did 719 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 6: what they were supposed to do. Now can you keep 720 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 6: doing that? I guess that's the question. 721 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,239 Speaker 5: But when can you do it? Can you do it 722 00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:58,320 Speaker 5: in the first round or can you do it in 723 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,479 Speaker 5: the second round? To me, that's that's the question. 724 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,319 Speaker 6: You might be able to You might be able to 725 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,319 Speaker 6: solve the problem, just maybe not on Thursday Night. 726 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,800 Speaker 2: How big of a voice does Frank paulakapp and drafting 727 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,400 Speaker 2: offensive lineman huge? 728 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 6: I think it's compare it to Darren Simmons on special 729 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 6: on kickers on special teams. I think it's gonna go 730 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 6: through him. You know, they're not gonna draft the guy 731 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,280 Speaker 6: that Frank doesn't like. That'd be hired for me to see, 732 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 6: you know, uh, And that goes for any position coach, I. 733 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 5: Mean, h or coordinator. 734 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 6: You know, it would be hard for me to see 735 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 6: a the first round pick not being able to pass 736 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 6: muster with somebody on the coaching staff. 737 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 5: So I think Frank's. 738 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 6: Gonna you know, and particularly offensive line is seen as 739 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 6: one of those niche positions like special teams, you know, 740 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 6: the guys kind of the Kuys, the Kuys, the guys 741 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 6: kind of king of all these surveys. You know. 742 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 5: So it's you gotta feel like Frank has gotta got. 743 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,719 Speaker 2: A lot of Say, the Bengals have ten picks, they 744 00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 2: have extras in the third, sixth, and seventh rounds. Do 745 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,400 Speaker 2: you expect them to use one of those extras to 746 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 2: move up at some point? 747 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 5: They certainly have, you know, they never used to. 748 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 6: And I think that's another probably trade that's different that 749 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 6: two kids bought and Stuke's been in there. I think 750 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:17,840 Speaker 6: they've traded up maybe six seven times since twenty eleven, 751 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 6: you know, and so they've shown that they will do that. 752 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:22,799 Speaker 6: It wouldn't be surprising if they did it this year 753 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,840 Speaker 6: because they've done it. They did it, you know, a 754 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 6: couple of years ago to go get Tyson Anderson, they 755 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 6: did it to get the cam tail of brit And 756 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 6: it wouldn't be you know, that would it wouldn't be 757 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 6: stunning because they've done it they're used to it, and 758 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:40,880 Speaker 6: they've done it to make some pretty good moves. I mean, 759 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 6: the cam tail of brit Is that they've traded up 760 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 6: and probably got a pro bowler. 761 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,919 Speaker 2: I don't see them giving up the extra third round pick, 762 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,879 Speaker 2: but that's what extra sixth and seventh round picks are 763 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:52,759 Speaker 2: ideally for. 764 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,560 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I think it's you know, listen to 765 00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 6: Bill Polian the other day on U Serious Radio talking 766 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 6: about uh Sali Wilcotts was talking about how h his 767 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:08,720 Speaker 6: big guys, Mike Gettings Junior, who's a independent consultant scouting 768 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 6: consultant used by several teams, including the Bengals, And you know, 769 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 6: Napoleon said your blue you're blue guys, which is what 770 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 6: Gettings calls elite players who produce at the top level, 771 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 6: the top level players. You get them in the first, second, 772 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 6: or third rounds. That's pretty much proven through the draft 773 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:26,320 Speaker 6: those other picks. 774 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:27,719 Speaker 5: That's exactly right. 775 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,960 Speaker 6: Stock pilm trade up to get into the you know, 776 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,839 Speaker 6: get into the you know, fourth or fifth you know, uh, 777 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:35,800 Speaker 6: get up, you know, get up as high as you 778 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,759 Speaker 6: can and so and I you know, and they've and 779 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 6: they've done that, and I would you know, you wouldn't 780 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,759 Speaker 6: be surprised to see him do it now. 781 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 5: I mean, it's gonna be how many picks do you need? 782 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 4: You know what I mean? 783 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:46,839 Speaker 5: How many picks do you need? 784 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,799 Speaker 6: And then and this team is so young anyway, right 785 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,520 Speaker 6: I think last opening day they were the third youngest 786 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 6: in the team and in the third youngest in the league. 787 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:58,279 Speaker 6: So I'm not sure ten ten draft picks is you know? 788 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 6: I I would uh, I would imagine, and they would. 789 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:01,520 Speaker 5: Find a way to convert him. 790 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,480 Speaker 2: You mentioned Brian Thomas from LSU as at least somebody 791 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 2: they would have to think about if he were on 792 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,840 Speaker 2: the clock at number eighteen. Tyler Boyd is likely gone. 793 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,839 Speaker 2: T Higgins could be in a year. Do you think 794 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,840 Speaker 2: that they will take a wide receiver in the first 795 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,920 Speaker 2: two days or yeah, first two days, first three rounds. 796 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:22,360 Speaker 5: I think they could. 797 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 6: I mean I I it wouldn't surprise me, you know, 798 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 6: a couple of years removed from the big Man's draft, 799 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 6: right when that those first two days were all guys 800 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 6: at least three hundred pounds on either side of the ball. 801 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 6: So you know, maybe it is time to go go 802 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 6: get somebody early. It's like you said, you know, you 803 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 6: got a you know, there's Zach. There's Zach in the 804 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,239 Speaker 6: back of your head, you know, and you know, yeah, 805 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,279 Speaker 6: you start thinking about it a little bit, and you 806 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:53,839 Speaker 6: know there's no boyd teas Te's on a one year deal, 807 00:38:55,080 --> 00:39:01,880 Speaker 6: and you know, Joshavish looks like he's going to be help. 808 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,200 Speaker 1: Me there, help me there, Hordy prime pronunciation. 809 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:09,279 Speaker 5: Yeah, yo, you call him Yoshi, Yeah, and he's yeah. 810 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,360 Speaker 1: I'm sure you would get andre right, yeah, yeah. 811 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 6: Well yeah, I think that uh, you know, he looks 812 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 6: I think he's he's going to pan out better than 813 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,040 Speaker 6: they thought he you know, I think you're looking at 814 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,279 Speaker 6: the guy who can catch fifty balls, you know. So, 815 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 6: I mean that's a big that's a big boost. But still, 816 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,960 Speaker 6: you got Burrow, you get this offense, you know, you know, 817 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,920 Speaker 6: drafting and receiver is never a stunner. 818 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 5: I guess it's it might be where where you take him. 819 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,200 Speaker 5: But I mean I think if you know. 820 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 6: Just the way things are going, I mean, if they 821 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,880 Speaker 6: take a you know, if they now tell me what 822 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,239 Speaker 6: kind of guy, because I think that kind of you know, 823 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,600 Speaker 6: is it the big is it the big tall TSH guy? 824 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,080 Speaker 6: Is it is it a guy? Is it a guy? Built, 825 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:53,879 Speaker 6: you know, is it a guy built more like. 826 00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:56,720 Speaker 5: Like Jamar? 827 00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:57,520 Speaker 4: You know? 828 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 6: Is it you know that I have a kind of 829 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,360 Speaker 6: have a hearted time finding out if they've got if 830 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:04,799 Speaker 6: there's a proto. But I don't think there is a 831 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:06,879 Speaker 6: prototype for the great ones, you know what I mean? 832 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,840 Speaker 6: I mean, I don't think they gotta be Jami has chosen. 833 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,120 Speaker 6: He doesn't have to be six ' four and T 834 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 6: shows that, you know, you don't have to be uh be. 835 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 5: Able to scuot and scat and everything. 836 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:19,360 Speaker 6: You know. 837 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,280 Speaker 5: So I think it's uh. 838 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,399 Speaker 6: I think if they feel like you know, the nice 839 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,760 Speaker 6: thing about it is this is this is what separates 840 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 6: the Bengals, I think in the draft room now. And 841 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,880 Speaker 6: a big reason for why I think they have drafted 842 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,000 Speaker 6: well is they get the same coaches, They get the 843 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,200 Speaker 6: same structure, they got the same organization. 844 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:36,880 Speaker 4: You know. 845 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:41,959 Speaker 6: Pitcher, Damn Pitcher, the coordinator, uh Brad Crack Brad Krag 846 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,160 Speaker 6: thought the new quarterbacks coach has been here for five years, I. 847 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:46,080 Speaker 5: Mean, Zach. 848 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,120 Speaker 6: So these guys know exactly what they want and that's 849 00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,279 Speaker 6: a big I think that's a big plus to put 850 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:52,799 Speaker 6: them over to. 851 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,279 Speaker 2: Speaking of t Higgins, he told reporters this week that 852 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,239 Speaker 2: he expects to play for the Bengals this year. I 853 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,640 Speaker 2: never thought that there was a remote possibility that he 854 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,759 Speaker 2: was going to leave nearly twenty two million dollars on 855 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,319 Speaker 2: the table. But did you take that as a good 856 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,400 Speaker 2: sign that this is going to be drama free? 857 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:10,000 Speaker 5: Yeah? 858 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,840 Speaker 6: I mean I think, you know, I look back to 859 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,759 Speaker 6: Jesse Bates, and that was drama free. He had a 860 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,160 Speaker 6: hell of a year. He played it right. I think 861 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,919 Speaker 6: he got into camp probably just about the right time. 862 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,719 Speaker 6: Tea is a winner, you know. I never worry, you know. 863 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,080 Speaker 6: And maybe it's because now that i'm you know, maybe 864 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:29,080 Speaker 6: I'm gonna you. 865 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,279 Speaker 5: Know, I just don't focus on that as much. 866 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:32,840 Speaker 6: And maybe it's because I work for the team. I 867 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,200 Speaker 6: just don't focus on that as much. But I do 868 00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:39,640 Speaker 6: think there's there's not any drama here. 869 00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,120 Speaker 5: I don't know, you know. I mean, and I've been 870 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,560 Speaker 5: here when there was plenty of drama and it's just 871 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:44,200 Speaker 5: a tea. 872 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:48,840 Speaker 6: They got guys who are not, you know, drama kings, 873 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,279 Speaker 6: you know what I mean. That's just the way they're 874 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,439 Speaker 6: wired to me, in my opinion. Yeah, I just don't think. 875 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:57,480 Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, I mean, the stuff that's on Twitter 876 00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,640 Speaker 6: and the stuff they might say in videos. I mean 877 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:04,440 Speaker 6: to me, it's all kind of that's not drama, you 878 00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,680 Speaker 6: know what I mean? And so I yeah, I never 879 00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,480 Speaker 6: get the sense the thing was going to because I think, 880 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:13,120 Speaker 6: I think, if I'm not mistaken, teas represented by as 881 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,359 Speaker 6: Jesse Bates's agent correct, And you know, Jesse came in 882 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:17,640 Speaker 6: here and had a he old a year, and I 883 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,959 Speaker 6: would expect you to do the same. 884 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,720 Speaker 2: Looks like there's going to be no drama where Dax's 885 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,759 Speaker 2: Hill is concerned as well. We were in on the 886 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,120 Speaker 2: cluster on Monday when he spoke to reporters after the 887 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,799 Speaker 2: players we turned back to Cincinnati, and I thought he 888 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,120 Speaker 2: said all of the right things about not knowing exactly 889 00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:34,839 Speaker 2: what his role is going to be this year. 890 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, he said all the right things. 891 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,080 Speaker 6: And that's another thing they'll probably get answered in the draft, 892 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:44,280 Speaker 6: you know, if they don't take a corner back any time, 893 00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:48,560 Speaker 6: you know, maybe that's telling us something. I tell you 894 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,480 Speaker 6: what the nice thing about dak Shill is, not only 895 00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,520 Speaker 6: is he did he stand up there and say all 896 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,480 Speaker 6: the things he should have said, and you know, just 897 00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:01,160 Speaker 6: exactly what you're looking for. But the guys player, I think, 898 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,040 Speaker 6: I mean I I maybe I'm nuts, and I know 899 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,480 Speaker 6: he had a few bad plays last year, but they 900 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,080 Speaker 6: stand out because he did beat deep. But I also 901 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,440 Speaker 6: think he had a hell of a lot of good plays. 902 00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:16,239 Speaker 6: The guy runs, he closes on the ball, he's smart. Uh, 903 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,960 Speaker 6: he looks to me like, wherever you put him, he's 904 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,080 Speaker 6: going to be a productive guy. 905 00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:21,959 Speaker 5: And that's a pretty good guy to have on your club. 906 00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,160 Speaker 6: I mean, uh, you know, there's a lot of guys 907 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,640 Speaker 6: who would have stood in front of that cluster on 908 00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,279 Speaker 6: Monday and not said the right things and made it 909 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,160 Speaker 6: a drama thing. And they would and they would still 910 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,360 Speaker 6: be written about today. But no, I mean, so to 911 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,000 Speaker 6: have a guy like that with as much talent as 912 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:38,840 Speaker 6: he does, that's a that's another. 913 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,080 Speaker 5: That's a that's a that's a draft pick. Well done. 914 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:45,480 Speaker 1: All right, we have the TJ. 915 00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,839 Speaker 2: Hushman Zada look back at the draft story to look 916 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,120 Speaker 2: forward to. Well, there'd be one more media mock draft. 917 00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:53,799 Speaker 5: Oh there has to be. There just has to be. 918 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,520 Speaker 5: I know, Uh, the scouts are looking at me like saying, 919 00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,719 Speaker 5: how many of those do you do? I said, I said, well, 920 00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,440 Speaker 5: probably three too many right now? But why not? 921 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,920 Speaker 6: I mean, you get a pretty good uh grip, you know, 922 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:06,719 Speaker 6: like the Jets guy. 923 00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:08,760 Speaker 5: I always talk to our good friend. 924 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,960 Speaker 1: Rich Semini, my classmate. 925 00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,640 Speaker 6: Classmate, and uh, you know, why not call rich Semidia? 926 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,719 Speaker 5: Think who who are just gonna draft? 927 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,560 Speaker 6: And and if he can get seventeen of those of opinions, 928 00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:23,359 Speaker 6: those opinions, maybe you just get a better idea. Now, 929 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,200 Speaker 6: maybe it is ridiculous to have five. But hoo do 930 00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,000 Speaker 6: you know this? People are eating them up. You you 931 00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:29,319 Speaker 6: do a three round mark right. 932 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,560 Speaker 1: I'll be doing another one at the end of this podcast. 933 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,839 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's uh and I calls I call us mock 934 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,880 Speaker 6: rakers now now Teddy Roosevelt called journalist back in the day, 935 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:40,520 Speaker 6: muck rakers. 936 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:41,960 Speaker 5: We're mock rakers. 937 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,160 Speaker 6: Where the uh where the sad descendants of that? 938 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:49,880 Speaker 5: And uh I, uh yeah, I'll be uh Thursday morning. 939 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:54,200 Speaker 6: I'll put up another pathetic run out and uh I've 940 00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,279 Speaker 6: picked three different players. I'm sure people, but this is 941 00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,319 Speaker 6: what could happen and said, well, you know, and uh, 942 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,560 Speaker 6: I'll probably pick somebody else because think. 943 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,000 Speaker 5: About it, you know, just think about these things. 944 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,799 Speaker 6: You know, I picked Wigans the last time, and you know, 945 00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,120 Speaker 6: maybe I'll pick Thomas's time or something. But it's The 946 00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,920 Speaker 6: good thing about this draft, though, is you've done enough 947 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,840 Speaker 6: of the marks, is you pretty much know. 948 00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:18,960 Speaker 5: I don't know if they're going to take. 949 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,920 Speaker 6: Four quarterbacks or six, but you pretty much know what 950 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:27,000 Speaker 6: offensive tackles are going to be there, what defensive tackles 951 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,440 Speaker 6: are going to be there, what corners and what wide receivers. 952 00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:33,000 Speaker 6: And what's interesting is maybe somebody likes one of those 953 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,759 Speaker 6: offensive tackles that has not been on the board, you know, 954 00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,840 Speaker 6: that has been available. Well maybe they're gone, you know, 955 00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:40,520 Speaker 6: and we don't know what Frank's thinking. We don't know 956 00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:44,480 Speaker 6: who Frank likes, so let's keep doing the marks. 957 00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,399 Speaker 2: I can tell you this, I despised my first three 958 00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,760 Speaker 2: round mock draft. At the end of it, I'm like, gosh, 959 00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:53,640 Speaker 2: can I start over? But I just had to go 960 00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,600 Speaker 2: through with it. The second one that I did, I 961 00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:00,600 Speaker 2: was convinced I was the greatest NFL drafter in history, 962 00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:05,000 Speaker 2: partly because the computer spit out tremendous options in one 963 00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,200 Speaker 2: of these mock draft simulators. So that kind of gets 964 00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,560 Speaker 2: back to you just don't know what's going to be 965 00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:10,440 Speaker 2: taken before. 966 00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:10,920 Speaker 1: You're on the clock. 967 00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:15,319 Speaker 6: Yeah, you're a step up on me with those simulators. 968 00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:19,160 Speaker 5: I think I think I did one and I drafted 969 00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:22,680 Speaker 5: Millard film. I think so. I'm really kind of struggle 970 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:23,040 Speaker 5: with that, a. 971 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,000 Speaker 1: Little bit of positions Millard players. 972 00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,960 Speaker 6: Whatever it was, it was the he was, he was 973 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,240 Speaker 6: in the he was a know nothing free agent. 974 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,960 Speaker 2: All right, great stuff is always again, congratulations on your 975 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,880 Speaker 2: twenty fourth anniversary with the club and look forward to 976 00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:41,799 Speaker 2: working with you next week. 977 00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:43,320 Speaker 5: Whatdye, I always appreciate it. 978 00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:44,759 Speaker 6: This is always where I can get in a chance 979 00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,560 Speaker 6: to say hello to my daughter Kerrie, you avid fan 980 00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:54,000 Speaker 6: of the podcast, and her son and husband. 981 00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,760 Speaker 5: Her son is fourth down. 982 00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,920 Speaker 6: Freddy Miller, Hello, guys, Hope all's well, thanks for listening. 983 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:03,879 Speaker 2: More on the draft in a moment, but first, here's 984 00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,480 Speaker 2: a quick reminder that the Bengals Booth podcast is brought 985 00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,880 Speaker 2: to you by pay Corps, proud to be the Bengals 986 00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:13,720 Speaker 2: official HR software provider, by Alta Fiber future proof fiber 987 00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:17,160 Speaker 2: Internet designed to elevate your home, business, and community to 988 00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,799 Speaker 2: a new level, and by Kettering Health the best care 989 00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,440 Speaker 2: for the best fans. Kettering Health is the official healthcare 990 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,440 Speaker 2: provider of the Bengals. Every year, NFL teams are allowed 991 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,720 Speaker 2: to hold a workout for players who played high school 992 00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:35,280 Speaker 2: or college football in that team's regional area. This Tuesday, 993 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:39,080 Speaker 2: thirty players with local ties worked out in the Bengals 994 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:44,360 Speaker 2: indoor practice facility, including defensive lineman Juwan Briggs out of 995 00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,800 Speaker 2: Walnut Hills High School in Cincinnati, who started his college 996 00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,840 Speaker 2: career at Virginia before coming home and spending three seasons 997 00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,040 Speaker 2: as a UC Bearcat. In addition to being a team 998 00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,880 Speaker 2: captain and a first team All Conference player, Juwan is 999 00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,720 Speaker 2: a renaissance man. He was a great student, earning multiple 1000 00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:07,439 Speaker 2: college degrees. He's a talented singer, and get this, he's 1001 00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:12,400 Speaker 2: a married father of three. Juwan played inside and outside 1002 00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,360 Speaker 2: on the defensive line at UC, but projects to be 1003 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:19,080 Speaker 2: a defensive tackle in the NFL and could be selected 1004 00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:22,200 Speaker 2: on Day three of the draft. I spoke to him 1005 00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:26,080 Speaker 2: after Tuesday's workout about a week away from the draft. 1006 00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:27,640 Speaker 1: How do you think your prep has gone? 1007 00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:29,960 Speaker 8: I think I've just you know, as I said earlier, 1008 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,239 Speaker 8: I think I've taken advantage of every opportunity it was 1009 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,480 Speaker 8: coming my way. Of course, you can always, you know, 1010 00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,040 Speaker 8: grow compared to what you've done, but you know, just 1011 00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,239 Speaker 8: being able to crush everything that's come towards my way 1012 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,000 Speaker 8: has been something I've been focusing on this whole process. 1013 00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,000 Speaker 2: I've seen you at U see anywhere from about two 1014 00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,680 Speaker 2: hundred and ninety five pounds to three hundred and twenty 1015 00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,680 Speaker 2: five pounds. It looks like maybe three point fifteen to 1016 00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:51,799 Speaker 2: three twenty right now. 1017 00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:55,200 Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm actually around you know, three ten, okay, And 1018 00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,600 Speaker 8: I actually didn't get a chance to eat dinner last night. 1019 00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:59,239 Speaker 8: I got said, I was fresh off the plane. I 1020 00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:03,280 Speaker 8: was traveling for eight hours, so you know I probably 1021 00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,080 Speaker 8: hver run around three thirteen, just like pro day to 1022 00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,439 Speaker 8: be a tap Yes, sir, Yes, Y're definitely interior guy. 1023 00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:11,680 Speaker 8: And like I said, I'll do anything. You know, I 1024 00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:13,400 Speaker 8: can drop two ninety five if you want me rushing 1025 00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,000 Speaker 8: off that edge, I'll gladly do it. You know, as 1026 00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,480 Speaker 8: you said, I've been as low as two ninety five, 1027 00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,479 Speaker 8: as high as basically through thirty. So it really doesn't matter. 1028 00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:23,640 Speaker 8: Wherever you guys need me home, wherever anyone needs me, 1029 00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:25,240 Speaker 8: I'll go out there. 1030 00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:26,920 Speaker 1: Where were you last night? 1031 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,799 Speaker 8: I was at Kansas City, So I literally just touched 1032 00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,759 Speaker 8: down touchdown at about eleven forty and got out of 1033 00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:39,120 Speaker 8: CVG at twelve thirty, got home around They probably got 1034 00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,839 Speaker 8: home around one, took a bath, got in the bed. 1035 00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,440 Speaker 8: It's about one thirty, you know, got to sleep by 1036 00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:47,359 Speaker 8: to and woke up and came here. 1037 00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,600 Speaker 2: You're an observant guy. Have you been able to pick 1038 00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:53,520 Speaker 2: up a vibe that the Bengals are interested? 1039 00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:55,200 Speaker 4: Ah? 1040 00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,160 Speaker 8: Well, like you know, like I said, I was taking 1041 00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,680 Speaker 8: it back when you know him him and talking. 1042 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:00,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1043 00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:01,920 Speaker 1: Let me set the scene. 1044 00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,000 Speaker 2: So you complete this local workout, you're doing interviews with 1045 00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:09,000 Speaker 2: local reporters, and Mike Brown, Bengals team president, walks over 1046 00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,680 Speaker 2: to chat you up, which I don't know that any 1047 00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:13,000 Speaker 2: of us have seen before. 1048 00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,120 Speaker 8: Like I said, it is a it was a it 1049 00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,600 Speaker 8: was a humbling experience to say, at least uh as 1050 00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,000 Speaker 8: I you know, for once, I've kind of had a 1051 00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,560 Speaker 8: loss of words with that. It's just honoring and it's 1052 00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,799 Speaker 8: humbling too. You know, see that someone at that level 1053 00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:32,000 Speaker 8: knows me, and especially with the you know, the pool, 1054 00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:36,160 Speaker 8: I'd say, has it means a lot to me doing 1055 00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:36,760 Speaker 8: the right things. 1056 00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:38,440 Speaker 1: He definitely has pulled. 1057 00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:45,040 Speaker 2: There's a need here for a nose tackle three technique 1058 00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,319 Speaker 2: kind of guy. Have you been doing the research looking 1059 00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,879 Speaker 2: at rosters and thinking, all right, I'm a fit at 1060 00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:51,960 Speaker 2: that particular teams. 1061 00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,640 Speaker 8: Yes, sir, So you know, any place that's expressed interest 1062 00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,680 Speaker 8: to me, I've tried to, you know, look down into 1063 00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:00,719 Speaker 8: the roster see what they have there. 1064 00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:02,640 Speaker 4: Like we were talking about earlier, you. 1065 00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:06,040 Speaker 8: Know, attack d tackle here just left, so you know 1066 00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,279 Speaker 8: there's a of course, there are people here as well, 1067 00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,759 Speaker 8: so you know it'll be a chance to kind of 1068 00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,200 Speaker 8: if I am fortunate to get drafted, it's a chance 1069 00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,399 Speaker 8: to come in compete. Same thing with any other place 1070 00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,960 Speaker 8: I've been. It's just a chance to know who you'll be, 1071 00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,120 Speaker 8: know your peers so that you can compete and you know, 1072 00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:23,759 Speaker 8: just have a leg up no matter where I'm at. 1073 00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,200 Speaker 2: So you're a married father of three, the kids are young. 1074 00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,640 Speaker 2: Do they have any idea what daddy's trying to pull 1075 00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:30,279 Speaker 2: off right now? 1076 00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,040 Speaker 8: Well, my son he loves football. I mean we're out 1077 00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,400 Speaker 8: of the spring game the other day and he was 1078 00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,319 Speaker 8: throwing the ball around and tackling stuff. But I don't 1079 00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,520 Speaker 8: think he knows what I'm doing exactly. You know, every 1080 00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,839 Speaker 8: time I leave, and probably when he wakes up, he says, oh, 1081 00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,920 Speaker 8: it's daddy in practice. I'm not calling it in practice, 1082 00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:47,520 Speaker 8: but you know I'm trying to make it so I 1083 00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,080 Speaker 8: can be in practice for a couple a couple more years. 1084 00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:50,359 Speaker 4: Down the line. 1085 00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,520 Speaker 2: He played extremely well and you see, you know, first 1086 00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,480 Speaker 2: team All Conference honors and then the various achievements that 1087 00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,719 Speaker 2: you had but didn't get the combine invite, didn't get 1088 00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:02,200 Speaker 2: the Senior Ball invite. 1089 00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:03,799 Speaker 1: Is there a chip on your shoulder from that? 1090 00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,560 Speaker 8: Yeah, there's a big chip, you know. And I kind 1091 00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:10,680 Speaker 8: of expressed it in two different ways. So after the 1092 00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,680 Speaker 8: combine thing didn't come around, and you know, I got 1093 00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,279 Speaker 8: the list, I kind of made it a point to 1094 00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:16,920 Speaker 8: and I still have it on my phone. I made 1095 00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,080 Speaker 8: it a point to make a list of every single 1096 00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,680 Speaker 8: guy that got a combine, every single guy that got 1097 00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:27,120 Speaker 8: a Senior Bowl invite, and just have their exact measurements, height, weight, 1098 00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,319 Speaker 8: hand harm have what they ran in the forty, what 1099 00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,279 Speaker 8: they did their ten split, their twenty split, what they 1100 00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,200 Speaker 8: didn't broad jump, or how many bench press reps they got, 1101 00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,399 Speaker 8: and who didn't compete in certain drills. And I made 1102 00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,200 Speaker 8: it a point to just go after and chase them. 1103 00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,200 Speaker 8: So when as you said, I was two ninety five 1104 00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,480 Speaker 8: or three twenty five, a big thing for me was 1105 00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,560 Speaker 8: what weight can I be to make the most. 1106 00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:49,839 Speaker 4: Impact at my pro day. 1107 00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,799 Speaker 8: So for me, I decided instead of me being light 1108 00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,840 Speaker 8: and maybe run a little faster and possibly you know, 1109 00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,000 Speaker 8: losing a couple of reps on the bench, well, I'm 1110 00:52:58,000 --> 00:52:59,480 Speaker 8: an interior D line and I need to get as 1111 00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:01,800 Speaker 8: much on the I can, so let me go ahead 1112 00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:05,680 Speaker 8: and showcase that I can be the strongest, no, most 1113 00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:09,800 Speaker 8: athletic three fifteen guy you could be. So I weighed 1114 00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,640 Speaker 8: in at three thirteen point eight I say three fourteen. 1115 00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,440 Speaker 4: They freaking docked me point eight pounds, and I. 1116 00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,280 Speaker 8: Just made sure that I crushed literally every single guy 1117 00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:20,759 Speaker 8: that was listed above that three ten mark. 1118 00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:21,920 Speaker 4: I half the chart broken. 1119 00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:25,840 Speaker 8: Down from three ten three or five two ninety five 1120 00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,040 Speaker 8: because three hundred three or five to two ninety five 1121 00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:29,799 Speaker 8: the guys were a little bit of the same. And 1122 00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:31,960 Speaker 8: I didn't look at anything two ninety five down because 1123 00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,759 Speaker 8: that's light. So you know, it was just a really 1124 00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:39,000 Speaker 8: important for me to have that goal in mind. And 1125 00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,040 Speaker 8: you know, those guys that already started with the leg up, 1126 00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:42,680 Speaker 8: so I just wanted to be able to showcase that 1127 00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:44,040 Speaker 8: may do something a little better. 1128 00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:46,759 Speaker 2: Sounds like you crushed it at the Shrine Bowl as well. 1129 00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,080 Speaker 2: Did you get good feedback from that. 1130 00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,759 Speaker 8: Yeah, So, I mean it was actually pretty interesting. You know, 1131 00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:53,680 Speaker 8: the D line on the east side. We were actually 1132 00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,680 Speaker 8: doing pretty good, so good that the second day they said, guys, 1133 00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,960 Speaker 8: we can't bull rush our guys. You know, we're got 1134 00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,320 Speaker 8: bag holding them up. And you know, I made it 1135 00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,680 Speaker 8: a point to pretty much do that every rep. And 1136 00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,120 Speaker 8: the second day we took it off them a little bit, 1137 00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,799 Speaker 8: getting let him play Patty Hickul live, but came back 1138 00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:11,960 Speaker 8: hard the third day. So you know, it's just a 1139 00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:13,839 Speaker 8: matter of taking advantage of the reps I can get. 1140 00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:15,160 Speaker 8: You know, I kept getting in there and getting as 1141 00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:15,839 Speaker 8: many reps as. 1142 00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,000 Speaker 4: I can get. I didn't sit out. I didn't sit 1143 00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:19,320 Speaker 4: out for any drills. In practice. 1144 00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:20,719 Speaker 8: I try to get as many reps are in the 1145 00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:22,879 Speaker 8: game as I can get because, like I said, every 1146 00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:24,520 Speaker 8: time I can step, you know, and the grid iron 1147 00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:25,160 Speaker 8: is an interview. 1148 00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,399 Speaker 4: So just making sure that I can make the most 1149 00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:27,960 Speaker 4: of everything. 1150 00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:32,799 Speaker 2: Wearing that Bengals jersey, practicing in this Bengals facility does 1151 00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,120 Speaker 2: that make it all feel a little more real. 1152 00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:37,400 Speaker 4: It makes it feel a lot closer. You know. 1153 00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,240 Speaker 8: It was one thing to be practicing in this bubble, 1154 00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:41,880 Speaker 8: you see, because we didn't have our own bubble. But 1155 00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:45,279 Speaker 8: it's another thing to be literally a week out, you know, 1156 00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:47,719 Speaker 8: from big things happening for you know a lot of 1157 00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,799 Speaker 8: guys and around my position, and you. 1158 00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:51,520 Speaker 4: Know, it means a lot. 1159 00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,640 Speaker 8: It means a lot that you're this close old hopefully 1160 00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:56,719 Speaker 8: you know if I'm ever so fortunate a rookie mini camp. 1161 00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,719 Speaker 2: So so you're on the freaks list last year. I 1162 00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,279 Speaker 2: know how athletic you are. What kind of numbers did 1163 00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,040 Speaker 2: you post on the bench and things like that. 1164 00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,600 Speaker 8: Yeah, so on the bench, I did forty two. They 1165 00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:09,680 Speaker 8: docked me three, so they gave me thirty nine official, 1166 00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,640 Speaker 8: but you know I did dockey three cuz you know, 1167 00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,520 Speaker 8: at the beginning they'll say lockout, but you know, for 1168 00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:19,239 Speaker 8: some guys they'll screen lockout at you. You know, the 1169 00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,560 Speaker 8: counter rip. I guess I did too many, so they 1170 00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:24,800 Speaker 8: had to dock me three, give you sub forty. But 1171 00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,239 Speaker 8: you know, I mean, no matter what, whoever was there 1172 00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,600 Speaker 8: saw me throw the way around forty two times, whether 1173 00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:31,000 Speaker 8: it be officially or unofficial. 1174 00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,360 Speaker 1: So Julia, rooting for you, best of luck, Thank you. 1175 00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,440 Speaker 2: Final thought on Juwan, I've interviewed him many times in 1176 00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,719 Speaker 2: the past, and knowing that he's a talented singer, I 1177 00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:47,319 Speaker 2: asked him this question. So the latest season of Hard 1178 00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,799 Speaker 2: Knocks started this week. The Lions are the featured team. 1179 00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:54,440 Speaker 2: The rookie Aiden Hutchinson was asked to perform at the 1180 00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:56,880 Speaker 2: you know, like the rookies often do, and he sang 1181 00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:00,520 Speaker 2: Michael Jackson's Billy Jean. So, when you're an an NFL 1182 00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,600 Speaker 2: training camp and they ask you to sing your rookie year, 1183 00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:04,759 Speaker 2: what are you gonna break out? 1184 00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:05,480 Speaker 4: Shoot? 1185 00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:10,839 Speaker 8: Honestly, ah hey, let me think I'd say Purple Rain 1186 00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,279 Speaker 8: by Prince. Prince is probably one of the Prince is 1187 00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:18,240 Speaker 8: probably my favorite musician overall. Just a great persons music wise, 1188 00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,160 Speaker 8: in you know, just outside of music. But Bubba Rain's 1189 00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,680 Speaker 8: definitely a classic some everybody can relate to and some 1190 00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:24,480 Speaker 8: everybody knows. 1191 00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:26,480 Speaker 2: So you want to give us a little. 1192 00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:32,319 Speaker 7: I never meant to cause you any trouble. I never 1193 00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:36,800 Speaker 7: meant to cause you any pain, but oh see you laughing. 1194 00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:43,000 Speaker 7: I only wanted to see you standing in the purple ring. 1195 00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,879 Speaker 2: Here's a sneak peek for what one NFL team will 1196 00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:50,120 Speaker 2: be treated to at training camp. On the last two 1197 00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:54,560 Speaker 2: editions of this podcast, I did three round Bengals mock drafts. 1198 00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:59,240 Speaker 2: Using simulators to examine my options before explaining the reasoning 1199 00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:02,359 Speaker 2: behind my pain. On my first try, using the Pro 1200 00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:07,000 Speaker 2: Football Focus simulator, I chose Washington offensive lineman Troy fa 1201 00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:11,480 Speaker 2: Utanu in round one, Florida State defensive tackle Brayden Fisk 1202 00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:16,040 Speaker 2: in round two, North Carolina wide receiver Devontes Walker with 1203 00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:20,240 Speaker 2: my first third round pick, and Florida State cornerback Ronardo 1204 00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:24,640 Speaker 2: Green with my second third round pick. Last week, using 1205 00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:28,720 Speaker 2: the Pro Football Network simulator, I grabbed offensive lineman JC 1206 00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:32,920 Speaker 2: Latham in round one, Western Kentucky wide receiver Malachi Corley 1207 00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,680 Speaker 2: in round two, Michigan defensive tackle Chris Jenkins with my 1208 00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:41,040 Speaker 2: first third round pick, and his Michigan teammate, cornerback Mikey 1209 00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,360 Speaker 2: Seiners Still with my second. 1210 00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:43,920 Speaker 1: Third round pick. 1211 00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:48,840 Speaker 2: This time around, I used the ESPN Mock Draft simulator 1212 00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:52,600 Speaker 2: and was delighted when five quarterbacks were taken in the 1213 00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:56,760 Speaker 2: top eleven picks. Tight end brought Powers went thirteenth to 1214 00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:00,840 Speaker 2: the Raiders, but to that point only one one offensive 1215 00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:05,200 Speaker 2: lineman had been taken, Joe Alt at number nine. The 1216 00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:09,000 Speaker 2: run on offensive tackles began with a fourteenth pick that 1217 00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:14,440 Speaker 2: was Olu Fashanu JC Latham went fifteenth and Talisi Fuaga 1218 00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:18,320 Speaker 2: went sixteenth. So here were the options I considered with 1219 00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:23,000 Speaker 2: the eighteenth overall pick. Offensive lineman Troy fa Utanu and 1220 00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:28,760 Speaker 2: Marius Mims, defensive lineman Byron Murphy, wide receiver Brian Thomas, 1221 00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:33,520 Speaker 2: and cornerback Nate Wiggins. I ultimately went with the same 1222 00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:37,640 Speaker 2: guy I chose in my first three round, MOC Washington's. 1223 00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:38,280 Speaker 1: Troy faugh Utanu. 1224 00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:42,600 Speaker 2: Dane Brugler of The Athletic has him ranked number nine 1225 00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,880 Speaker 2: overall in this year's class and wrote the following in 1226 00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:49,720 Speaker 2: his draft guide. Fautanu is explosive on the move and 1227 00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:53,640 Speaker 2: at contact, with the foot quickness, body control, and temperament 1228 00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,200 Speaker 2: to stack wins in both pass protection and as a 1229 00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:00,000 Speaker 2: run blocker in the NFL. While he has the talent 1230 00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:03,520 Speaker 2: to remain a tackle, his skill set also projects well 1231 00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:07,800 Speaker 2: to guard and center, and he offers legitimate five position 1232 00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:09,720 Speaker 2: potential at the next level. 1233 00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:11,040 Speaker 1: End of quote. 1234 00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,000 Speaker 2: The Bengals have obviously had hits and misses when it 1235 00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,840 Speaker 2: comes to drafting offensive linemen, but falloutan who sounds like 1236 00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,880 Speaker 2: he's as close to a sure thing as you'll find. 1237 00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:25,160 Speaker 2: I'm delighted to grab him in round one in the 1238 00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:28,720 Speaker 2: second round. Cincinnati has picked number forty nine overall, and 1239 00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:32,880 Speaker 2: both of my previous second round selections, defensive tackle Braden 1240 00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:36,440 Speaker 2: Fisk and wide receiver Malachi Corley, were still on the board. 1241 00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,760 Speaker 2: But this time I chose a wide receiver who is 1242 00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:45,360 Speaker 2: taller and faster than Corley, Oregon's Troy Franklin. Franklin had 1243 00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:48,120 Speaker 2: eighty one catches for more than thirteen hundred yards this 1244 00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,160 Speaker 2: year and ran a four to four to one at 1245 00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:53,360 Speaker 2: the combine. The knock on him is that he's skinny 1246 00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:56,400 Speaker 2: at roughly one hundred eighty pounds, But we know the 1247 00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:59,600 Speaker 2: Bengals are looking to be more explosive, and Franklin had 1248 00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:03,360 Speaker 2: eight catches of more than forty yards last season. Imagine 1249 01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:06,960 Speaker 2: adding that speed to the combo of Jamar Chase and 1250 01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:10,920 Speaker 2: t Higgins. With my first third round pick, I chose 1251 01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,640 Speaker 2: the same guy I selected with my second third round 1252 01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:18,920 Speaker 2: pick last week, Michigan cornerback Mikey Seiner. Still he's forty 1253 01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,920 Speaker 2: third overall on the Brugler board, and I find it 1254 01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:25,560 Speaker 2: hard to believe he'll actually be there at number eighty overall, 1255 01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:29,600 Speaker 2: but the simulator gave me that option, and I took advantage. 1256 01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:33,640 Speaker 2: Maybe the Bengals will be just as lucky. He's small 1257 01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:37,920 Speaker 2: at five nine two, so some teams will be scared off, 1258 01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:41,840 Speaker 2: but the team that employs Mike Hilton won't be. He's 1259 01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:45,760 Speaker 2: a faster version with experience on the outside and in 1260 01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:49,240 Speaker 2: the slot. The former Michigan captain remains one of my 1261 01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:53,320 Speaker 2: favorite guys in this year's draft. My second third round 1262 01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:57,160 Speaker 2: pick this time around was LSU defensive tackle Mason Smith. 1263 01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:00,920 Speaker 2: He's number sixty four overall on the Brugler and I 1264 01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:03,400 Speaker 2: was able to grab him with a ninety seventh pick. 1265 01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,480 Speaker 2: There aren't a lot of big defensive tackles in this 1266 01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:09,600 Speaker 2: year's class, but Smith is one of them at six 1267 01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:13,000 Speaker 2: five three oh six. He tore his ACL a couple 1268 01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:15,320 Speaker 2: of years ago, but Smith came back to play in 1269 01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:18,960 Speaker 2: twelve games last season and will immediately see the field 1270 01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:23,520 Speaker 2: in the Bengals defensive line rotation. So to recap, I 1271 01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:27,520 Speaker 2: took offensive tackle Troy fa Utanu in round one, wide 1272 01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:31,720 Speaker 2: receiver Troy Franklin in round two, Michigan corner Mikey Sainer 1273 01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:35,040 Speaker 2: still with my first third round pick, and LSU defensive 1274 01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:38,560 Speaker 2: tackle Mason Smith with my second. Coming up on my 1275 01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:41,800 Speaker 2: next podcast one of the most popular episodes of the year, 1276 01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:45,640 Speaker 2: as Dave Lapham joins me to predict who the Bengals 1277 01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:49,120 Speaker 2: are going to take in Round one that will be 1278 01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:52,520 Speaker 2: posted in time for your drive to work on Monday. 1279 01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:54,920 Speaker 2: That's going to do it for this episode of The 1280 01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:57,760 Speaker 2: Bengals Booth Podcast, brought to you by pay Corps, proud 1281 01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:01,840 Speaker 2: to be the Bengals official hr SAW provider by Ulta 1282 01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:05,480 Speaker 2: Fiber future proof fiber Internet designed to elevate your home, 1283 01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:09,200 Speaker 2: business and community to a new level, and by Kettering 1284 01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:12,920 Speaker 2: Health the best care for the best fans. 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