1 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 1: It's a bad habit we have we tell the tale 2 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: of the murderer and not the murdered. The clock on 3 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: White Chapel Church was striking half past two when Ellen 4 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: Holland watched her friend Polly Nicholls sway off into the darkness. 5 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: Polly was drunk, penniless, and broken. She was inconsequential in 6 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: the minds of most people she met, But she was 7 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:39,959 Speaker 1: about to cross paths was some one who would give 8 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: her a grisly, unenviable place in history. In the autumn 9 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: of eighteen eighty eight, Polly and four other women were 10 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: brutally killed in a slum neighborhood of London. Their unsolved 11 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: murders were so violent, so cruel, that their killer earned 12 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: a nickname that is still known the world over. I'm 13 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: down on halls and are sha'n't quick ripping them? Jack 14 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: the Ripper? But in the greatest cold case in history, 15 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: few of us have stopped to question the basic facts. 16 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: One fact that you know about chr. Ripper that he 17 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: never got caught and who did he kill? Prostitutes? I'm 18 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: Hallie rubbin Hold as a historian interested in the stories 19 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: of women, I'd assume the lives of the five victims 20 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: had been thoroughly researched long ago. I was wrong when 21 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 1: I dug into the records. I began to reveal rich 22 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: and interesting lives. Most of the time women leave if 23 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: they're being beaten to a pulp or he put out 24 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: an eye, lives blighted by problems and prejudices. Most women 25 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: today would recognize. There wasn't a great deal of sympathy 26 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: for alcoholics, so one had to sign a temperance pledge 27 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: saying I will not drink. If only it were so simple. 28 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: I identified with the women, sympathized with the tough life 29 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: choices they made, and admired their determination. She gets on 30 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 1: the boat and comes to England. She seeks why the horizons. 31 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: I came to know them and like them. She wants 32 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: more than she's been born into. But I also discovered 33 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 1: something else, something new, something troubling. It was just so 34 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: obvious to me the very first time I looked at 35 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: this file. How could we have gotten this this wrong 36 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: for this many years? And something that chips away at 37 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: the foundations of the ripper myth nam shure, all of 38 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: you here today, do you know that Jack's victims were ladies? 39 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: Of the night, weren't they They were forced to choose 40 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: the myth still served up by tour guides to visitors 41 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: who flocked the murder scenes each evening. And now, ladies, 42 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: you might be thinking, well, I'd never think that work ever, 43 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: but didn't Okay, Well, certainly the answer is yes, Polly, Annie, Elizabeth, Catherine, 44 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 1: and Mary Jane were not killed while selling sex. It 45 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: was other, no less troubling factors that put them in 46 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: the path of their murderer. In this podcast, I'll tell 47 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 1: you how I know that and why it still matters 48 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: very much even today. Kelly has upset the world of 49 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: rippology by her general attitude towards ripparologists. I'll also explain 50 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: why my research has enraged so many people who claimed 51 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: to be experts in the Ripper case. The attacks have 52 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: just been relentless and malicious, But actually I think they 53 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: just don't really want other people talking about the murdered 54 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: women and challenging their views in any way. If you 55 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: want to know how we got the Ripper story so wrong, 56 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: what those mistakes tell us about ourselves, and why putting 57 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: the record straight makes some people so very me angry, 58 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: join me. Hallie rubin Hold for bad women. The Ripper 59 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:09,119 Speaker 1: Retold starting October five, wherever you get your podcasts,