WEBVTT - TechStuff Arms Itself with Non-lethal Weapons

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff from how stuff flix dot com. Hello everyone, then,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to tech Stuff. My name is Chris Poulette, and

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<v Speaker 1>I am an editor at how Stuff works dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>Sitting across from me as usual as senior writer Jonathan Strickland.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm just three days away from retirement. He

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<v Speaker 1>really wanted to do that, even though he haven't done

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<v Speaker 1>quotes in a while. Yeah, because you know, when we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about non lethal weapons, I immediately thought of that

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<v Speaker 1>great series of documentaries lethal Weapon and uh, and so

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<v Speaker 1>we wanted to talk today about weapons that are designed

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<v Speaker 1>to stop a target without killing that target, or at

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<v Speaker 1>least that that's supposed to be what they do. Well. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>some some of the research I did also turned up

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<v Speaker 1>other versions of the uh phrase non lethal weapons, including

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<v Speaker 1>less than lethal weapons, which sounds to me like it

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<v Speaker 1>is a a verbal uh disclaimer he's only mostly dead. Yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not supposed to kill you. We actually had somebody, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>we've had some people right in to ask us about

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<v Speaker 1>a particular one of the ones we're gonna talk about today.

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<v Speaker 1>But um, really, there there's a whole series of different

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of things that the military and police departments around

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<v Speaker 1>the world are investigating to basically stop people without hurting

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<v Speaker 1>them completely. Yeah. Yeah, so and this is this is tough.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, how do you how do you convince someone

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<v Speaker 1>to stop acting irrationally or dangerously without really hurting that

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<v Speaker 1>person in turn? And it's tricky, but there are a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of different approaches that we've tried to take. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was I'm sorry. I was about to say

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<v Speaker 1>though that there are a lot of reasons why you

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<v Speaker 1>would want to do this other than you know, simply

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<v Speaker 1>not wanting to to kill someone. Um, you know, for

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<v Speaker 1>for strategic reasons. If you have, say uh um, and

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<v Speaker 1>this scenario I've seen written about a lot, uh say

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<v Speaker 1>an uprising where you have say, hundreds of people uh

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<v Speaker 1>protesting and maybe the protest is getting out of hand. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the the authorities who come to subdue the protesters or

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<v Speaker 1>dispersed the protesters, Uh, if they kill people, they are

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<v Speaker 1>likely to escalate uh these kinds of of riots or

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<v Speaker 1>or disquiet. And uh, you know it's uh, it's happened.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we can I can remember stories going back

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<v Speaker 1>centuries of something like this happening. So if there's a

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<v Speaker 1>way to to uh get people to leave without really

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<v Speaker 1>hurting anybody, that that's an advantage for for everyone. Really.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the protesters don't get hurt as badly or

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<v Speaker 1>or you know, even if it just makes them feel

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<v Speaker 1>uncomfortable and they leave as a result of that, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like, uh, it's a positive for everyone. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And and we've tried a lot of different approaches with

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of different methodologies and a lot of different results, right,

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<v Speaker 1>not all of them have been successful. Here's one of

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<v Speaker 1>the ones I wanted to talk about first that's just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of interesting to me. This is using sound as

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<v Speaker 1>a weapon. Now, there are two different ways that sound

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<v Speaker 1>tends to be used as a weapon. One of them

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<v Speaker 1>is in something called a long range acoustic device or

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<v Speaker 1>l l R a d. Yes. These are focused beams

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<v Speaker 1>of sound. You you just you crank up the decibel

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<v Speaker 1>level to like a hundred fifty decibles, which is about

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<v Speaker 1>fifty decibles over the pain threshold, and you direct it

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<v Speaker 1>at the target. And that means the target suddenly has

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<v Speaker 1>this incredibly loud noise, uh directed at them and it's

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<v Speaker 1>a painful experience to hear it. In fact, you can

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<v Speaker 1>suffer hearing loss if you are subjected to that for

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<v Speaker 1>too long. Uh. Some of these devices have actually been

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<v Speaker 1>used for a communication purpose. Is I read one report

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<v Speaker 1>that said that there were navy ships that used a

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<v Speaker 1>form of l R A D to send out signals

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<v Speaker 1>to um two boats as they pulled into a harbor.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's say that a giant navy vessel is sailing

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<v Speaker 1>into a harbor that's got a busy fishing uh industry,

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<v Speaker 1>and not all the fishermen are necessarily paying attention to

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that there's an enormous ship coming in and

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<v Speaker 1>they need to get out of the way. I read

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<v Speaker 1>a report that said that there was a way where

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<v Speaker 1>you could use this as a communications tool where you're

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<v Speaker 1>not trying to overpower someone, You're not trying to cripple them.

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<v Speaker 1>You're just trying to get their attention and say, hey, buddy,

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<v Speaker 1>we're coming through. You might want to move, And except

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<v Speaker 1>you're saying it in whatever the local languages, and that

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<v Speaker 1>it totally freaks people out because suddenly they can hear

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<v Speaker 1>this voice coming from really far away, as if it's

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<v Speaker 1>on a radio or something, but there's no radio. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>just using a focused beam of sound to direct that

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<v Speaker 1>sound at the individual and then that gets a little

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's a little unreal surreal, if you will.

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<v Speaker 1>I would love to have one of these just to

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<v Speaker 1>mess with people like, hey, hey you, I can see you,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that kind of stuff. But but but the

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<v Speaker 1>the other use of this is, like I said, crank

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<v Speaker 1>it up and you cripple someone because it's just so

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<v Speaker 1>loud that it it's the pain is um uh difficult

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<v Speaker 1>to bear on the on the Department of Defense non

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<v Speaker 1>Lethal Weapons program pages and they have I use these

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<v Speaker 1>for for my research. They have a set of current

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<v Speaker 1>and uh proposed um different kinds of non lethal weapons,

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<v Speaker 1>and they use what they call acoustic healing devices, which

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<v Speaker 1>I think are are probably related to these uh and

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<v Speaker 1>they have a picture of one of those. But they

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<v Speaker 1>say that they use them to to uh give intelligible

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<v Speaker 1>voice coming hands over very very long distances. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think they you know, from ship to ship, um, you

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<v Speaker 1>know where they're not actually trying to cause pain, but

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<v Speaker 1>they're using that level of h extra heavy amplification to

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<v Speaker 1>get a message across and they consider it a weapon

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<v Speaker 1>but they're not talking about using it in the exact

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<v Speaker 1>same way. It's like a really focused bullhorn. Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Another UM non lethal weapon that I saw that uses

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<v Speaker 1>sound as the impulse stunnerd gun. UM. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>about this one. No, it's uh, it's it's pretty neat. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of these, some of these weapons quote unquote weapons,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess they're technically weapons, UM, have very interesting names. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>This one is would have been used if you've ever

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<v Speaker 1>watched the movie Thunderball UM, the documentary the documentary Thub

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<v Speaker 1>Thunderball UM, which has a very scintillating underwater battle scene. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>But if someone had had the impulse stunner gun, that

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<v Speaker 1>might have gone in a a different way because basically this

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<v Speaker 1>is uh used to stop people who are diving or

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<v Speaker 1>swimming um underwater. It uses a sound wave that travels

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<v Speaker 1>underwater that affects a way a person here's and will

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<v Speaker 1>induce nausea. Oh so that's something you want to feel

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<v Speaker 1>when you're underwater. No. No, And I mean if you had,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, divers who are attempting some kind of underwater subterfuge.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to say subterfuge partially, Um, you know it

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<v Speaker 1>would it would you think about that if you were

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<v Speaker 1>feeling suddenly like you were about to be ill, very

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<v Speaker 1>violently ill underwater? I imagine it would be very hard

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<v Speaker 1>to continue on with your actions. You would have to

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<v Speaker 1>break it off and and dive for the surface, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>dive for the surface. What swim to the surface. Here

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<v Speaker 1>we go. Um, but yeah, that's a pretty neat application

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<v Speaker 1>of sound too well. And another one I saw, which

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<v Speaker 1>did not have a name, or at least not a

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<v Speaker 1>name that I can find, is a product that was

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<v Speaker 1>developed by some Japanese engineers. Uh. It was a gun

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<v Speaker 1>that has a microphone, a directional microphone, and directional speakers.

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<v Speaker 1>And the what the gun does is you pointed at

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<v Speaker 1>someone who's being loud and obnoxious. Their voice goes into

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<v Speaker 1>the microphone. It gets projected back from by the speakers

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<v Speaker 1>at about a point to second delay, So the person

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<v Speaker 1>talking starts to hear themselves speaking but point two seconds

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<v Speaker 1>behind what they're currently saying, which is incredibly distracting. It's

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<v Speaker 1>very difficult to continue a train of thought when you're

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<v Speaker 1>hearing yourself at a slight delay. If you've ever talked

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<v Speaker 1>on the phone or on any sort of radio, device

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<v Speaker 1>where you got that little bit of an echo or

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<v Speaker 1>on on Skype for example, anything like that where you

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<v Speaker 1>start talking and you start hearing yourself just an instant

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<v Speaker 1>after you're talking. It can be very disorienting. Itsori. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you start talking, then you're thinking, wait, I just said that.

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<v Speaker 1>No no, I just said that. No no, no, I

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<v Speaker 1>just said that, And then you can't make sense of

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<v Speaker 1>anything anymore. So this particular quote unquote weapon was sort

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<v Speaker 1>of a I was designed to try and take care

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<v Speaker 1>of people who are rude. Yeah, it's not meant to

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<v Speaker 1>be like something to disperse a crowd or whatever. But

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<v Speaker 1>there were a lot of of notes I saw on

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<v Speaker 1>the article. Yeah, that was popular a few a few

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<v Speaker 1>months ago. I remember seeing seeing that a lot. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's not it's not something that the police are using necessarily.

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<v Speaker 1>It's more like a I'm trying to eat my dinner

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<v Speaker 1>in a restaurant and you're having a cell phone conversation

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<v Speaker 1>at the table next to me and you're really annoying. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>or I'm at the movie theater and I just want

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<v Speaker 1>to watch this documentary darnett Um. Yeah, the notes I

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<v Speaker 1>saw said, what if you use this for someone who

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<v Speaker 1>was doing some public speaking. But I would imagine that

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<v Speaker 1>even with directional speakers, it's not so focused that only

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<v Speaker 1>the person who is speaking can hear it. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not like you're beaming the words directly back into

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<v Speaker 1>the person's ears. Everyone can hear it. So it's not

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<v Speaker 1>like you could get away with doing something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone would know who had done that, and you would, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you would very quickly get your come up. And I

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<v Speaker 1>would imagine, depending upon the circumstances of where you used it,

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<v Speaker 1>why you um, like, I just want to aim it

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<v Speaker 1>at that valedictorian, she's so big. Um. Yeah. I was

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<v Speaker 1>also thinking that that's interesting that we bring that up

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<v Speaker 1>in an election year here in the United States where

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<v Speaker 1>people are giving a lot of speeches. We'll see. That

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<v Speaker 1>was the thing that was That was what a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the notes, uh, we're you know, That's what they

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<v Speaker 1>pertained to, was the idea of some sort of person

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<v Speaker 1>who's running for an elected office and then disrupting their

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<v Speaker 1>speech so that they seem like they're an idiot, and

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<v Speaker 1>then it gives their opponent an advantage. But the truth

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<v Speaker 1>is, is is that particular weapon or that particular product, whatever

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<v Speaker 1>you wanna call it, would not be so subtle as

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<v Speaker 1>to allow someone to get away with that. I have

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<v Speaker 1>another This is not another D O D product. UM

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<v Speaker 1>actually looks sort of like a series of of flat

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<v Speaker 1>disks that are quartered together. Doesn't look very offensive if

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<v Speaker 1>you will weapon. But it's called the Enhanced Underwater Loudhailer.

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<v Speaker 1>I told you they had some strange names. Basically, this

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<v Speaker 1>is another underwater device that can be used up to

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<v Speaker 1>uh forty deep in water. UM, and it can it

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<v Speaker 1>can transmit sound up to four sevens away. Basically they

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<v Speaker 1>can give It's sort of like the one that they

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<v Speaker 1>use above the surface of the water. But um, it

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<v Speaker 1>allows you to uh send on you know. I actually

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<v Speaker 1>the one I was just talking about a few moments ago,

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<v Speaker 1>where the the device that you could use to send

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<v Speaker 1>signals for a very long time, make your commands heard

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<v Speaker 1>for very long distance. They show a picture of a

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<v Speaker 1>Navy ship. Think you could probably use that in other applications. UM,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, they can also they can also issue commands

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<v Speaker 1>with this underwater a loudhailer or impair uh um people's

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<v Speaker 1>hearing underwater for up to two hours. It will operate

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<v Speaker 1>so uh pretty neat. It's sort of it's sort of

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<v Speaker 1>like the and some of the other research I did.

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<v Speaker 1>I was looking at things like culture ups and devices

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<v Speaker 1>that you would use to stop vehicles, and I wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>really going to focus on that, but it sort of

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<v Speaker 1>seems like that, like you could drop this underwater. It's

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<v Speaker 1>battery operated and they can use it to give commands

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<v Speaker 1>and and affect divers hearing underwater. So pretty neat. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm ready to move on to a new category unless

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<v Speaker 1>you have another sound one. No, this is this is

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<v Speaker 1>moving to the category of air using air as a weapon. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>sort of like the air Zuka. Yeah, exactly, that's exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what it is. So air Zuka. So you're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>a device to Yeah, it's a toy. It's a device

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<v Speaker 1>that creates a vortex ring. Yeah. Now text ring is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of imagine sort of like a tornado, exceptance in

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<v Speaker 1>a donut shape and it will it's air that will

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<v Speaker 1>rotate in this donut shape and it actually will maintain

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<v Speaker 1>that integrity for a pretty good distance. And the air

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<v Speaker 1>Zuka is just a it's a toy that does this.

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<v Speaker 1>You pull back a uh a sort of a well

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<v Speaker 1>it's a diaphragm really, and you let go and it

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<v Speaker 1>pushes air out through a novel and that creates the

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<v Speaker 1>spinning vortex of air that then can go across the

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<v Speaker 1>room and hit someone in the face and they feel

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<v Speaker 1>like someone just you know, blew a huge breath of

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<v Speaker 1>air right in their face for for no apparent reason. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you walk in the door of a room, someone across

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<v Speaker 1>the room has gone whoop, and then you go, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>what was that? Well, and and there's and I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't move that fast either, So it's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>funny because you actually can see, you know, there's there

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<v Speaker 1>are a few seconds between when someone might fire one

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<v Speaker 1>and someone else might feel it, and so you're just

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<v Speaker 1>waiting and waiting. So that didn't work. Oh yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 1>the guy. They're flinching. Now, yep, it worked. Well, you

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<v Speaker 1>can actually kick that up a notch and weaponize it.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you use pressurized gas and you accelerate the

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<v Speaker 1>gas to supersonic velocity as it exits the nozzle. Once

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<v Speaker 1>it comes out of that nozzle, it becomes a high

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<v Speaker 1>spin vortex ring that can travel a good long distance

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<v Speaker 1>and be strong enough to knock over someone oh around

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred eighty pounds. So they it's like getting shoved

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<v Speaker 1>in the chest by a really strong person. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>it's just that it's air. Now, you could also, if

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<v Speaker 1>you were so inclined, add in um malodorance. I you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there were so many jokes that I was thinking about making,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm you're just not helping me. Well, the malodorance

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<v Speaker 1>would be designed maloderant, of course, of something that smells bad.

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<v Speaker 1>But a malodorant could be designed to induce nausea or

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<v Speaker 1>for to make your eyes water. So then you're getting

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<v Speaker 1>shoved by a very stinky person essentially. But when I

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<v Speaker 1>say stinky person, I'm talking about smells. They're so bad

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<v Speaker 1>that you might feel like wretching. It's it's not like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not just you know, oh that's like rotten eggs. No,

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<v Speaker 1>it's way way worse. And uh, you could even put

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<v Speaker 1>in other stuff too, if you really wanted to, like

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<v Speaker 1>some something that would affect you even more um acutely

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<v Speaker 1>than a malodorant. But anyway, that's the general idea is

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<v Speaker 1>just using air to knock back a person. Now, in

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<v Speaker 1>this case, you're talking about a weapon designed to really

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<v Speaker 1>knocked back individuals, right, You're not talking about like if

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<v Speaker 1>there's a group of people, uh, walking up, shooting each

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<v Speaker 1>one with a vortex of air is gonna take a

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<v Speaker 1>while because you have to let that pressure build back

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<v Speaker 1>up again and you have to then release the gas

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<v Speaker 1>so that it goes out. And of course, again that's

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<v Speaker 1>a projectile that doesn't move as fast as say a

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<v Speaker 1>bullet or even sound or anything like that, So it

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<v Speaker 1>starts to slow down almost immediately as it moves out,

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<v Speaker 1>well really immediately as soon as it objects from the nozzle.

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<v Speaker 1>So even though it's moving at supersonic speeds within the nozzle,

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<v Speaker 1>once it gets out, it starts to slow down. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not it's not something that you could use

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<v Speaker 1>on a mass of people. But if you're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>aiming at a specific person to knock them down, perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>it's a individual who has shown himself to be a

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<v Speaker 1>danger or herself to be a danger to others, than

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<v Speaker 1>it would be a useful tool without actually causing that

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<v Speaker 1>person direct harm. Now, granted, if the person falls down,

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<v Speaker 1>there's always the chance that person could suffer serious injury

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<v Speaker 1>in that fall, but the impact of the air itself

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<v Speaker 1>should not necessarily cause injury. M Um, I don't really

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot of air based, I can move on

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<v Speaker 1>to electricity. Well you know it. I do have one

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<v Speaker 1>that's uh that sort of reminds me of that sort

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<v Speaker 1>of out of that um that field. And there was

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<v Speaker 1>one that that I saw as a UM it would

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<v Speaker 1>be very effective against vehicles, but it also would make you, um,

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<v Speaker 1>well slip called polymer ice. Did you run across this

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<v Speaker 1>one at all? This is not now, this is this

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<v Speaker 1>is a this is a spray. But apparently what it

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<v Speaker 1>is is essentially uh, you know, a polymer is as

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<v Speaker 1>a chemical, and they would use it in places where

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<v Speaker 1>the military is looking into this as a possibility apparently

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<v Speaker 1>for especially for places that are particularly warm, like the

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<v Speaker 1>Middle East or um, you know, places closer to the

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<v Speaker 1>equator than say, I don't know, Greenland, UM or maybe Atlanta,

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<v Speaker 1>Georgia on a summer's day exactly. But if it effectively

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<v Speaker 1>creates sort of you would spray it on the ground

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<v Speaker 1>and it would effectively create a icy situation. So this

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<v Speaker 1>this plastic would make bull slip and fall as though

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<v Speaker 1>they were on ice. Um. Now, if you're if you're

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<v Speaker 1>thinking Keystone cops sort of things, So you're chasing somebody

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<v Speaker 1>and they've set up a trap ahead of them, so

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<v Speaker 1>that the polymer is on the ground now, so they're

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<v Speaker 1>starting to fall, and then of course the people who

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<v Speaker 1>are chasing them also begin to slip and fall, so

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<v Speaker 1>everybody is writhing around in the ground because they can't

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<v Speaker 1>get up. It's like a bunch of turtles on their backs. Yeah. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>they have been working on a counter agent for this

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<v Speaker 1>that they could use the shoes. They could use it

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<v Speaker 1>on the shoes and tires of vehicle vehicles that are,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, running after them. Still a really advanced version

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<v Speaker 1>of my automatic banana peel tosser. But yeah, the the

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<v Speaker 1>whole you know, making people fall down thing that where

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<v Speaker 1>you were just talking about that a moment ago with

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<v Speaker 1>using the high powered air, I thought, oh, slipping it

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<v Speaker 1>and falling down, that sounds like the if you could

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<v Speaker 1>use the two together, so you could really have people

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<v Speaker 1>on their backs. So this is the reason why I

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<v Speaker 1>really wanted to do this, uh, this topic, because the

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<v Speaker 1>more we talk about the more it sounds like we're

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<v Speaker 1>entering a world where Acme products from Warner Brothers cartoons

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<v Speaker 1>are a reality. Well, people still like talking about that

0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:21.600
<v Speaker 1>that effort that the US military made to weaponize bats, Well,

0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:24.720
<v Speaker 1>there's also the whole weaponized dolphins things. Yes, yes, and

0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:27.960
<v Speaker 1>that those those things are actually well we're actually real.

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<v Speaker 1>So hey, yeah, there's some some of these are really

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<v Speaker 1>cool and some of them are sillier than not. You

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<v Speaker 1>take advantages anyway you can get them, and not everything

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<v Speaker 1>pans out, all right, So let's move on to electricity.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's plenty of that. Yeah, you know, you have

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<v Speaker 1>your typical stun guns, which a basic stun gun is

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<v Speaker 1>a device that has a couple of electrode prongs that

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<v Speaker 1>when you when you activate it, electricity passes between the

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<v Speaker 1>two prongs. So if you were to put that in

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<v Speaker 1>contact with a human you could shock them and generally

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<v Speaker 1>it's a strong enough electric shock to make their muscles

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<v Speaker 1>seize up. It causes pain, and it also makes people

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<v Speaker 1>fall over if the if the shocks enough for their

0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:14.680
<v Speaker 1>muscles t to seize up like that, they lose control

0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:19.000
<v Speaker 1>of their muscle um, their muscle movements and they fall over.

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<v Speaker 1>Um yeah, it's you can't you can't stop that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>because our muscles do work on electrochemical signals, so if

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<v Speaker 1>you use electricity to override those signals, then suddenly they

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<v Speaker 1>just start contracting like crazy, and you can't really do anything. Um.

0:20:37.119 --> 0:20:41.320
<v Speaker 1>As someone who has actually felt the sting of an

0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:44.520
<v Speaker 1>underpowered stunt gun, I can tell you it is not

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<v Speaker 1>a pleasant experience. It felt like it felt like a

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<v Speaker 1>really intense beasting because the one that was I was

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<v Speaker 1>gonna say, used on me, but really I used it

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<v Speaker 1>on myself. Uh. I was an idiot kid. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to know. It was not the first one to

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<v Speaker 1>do it either. I watched until several other people went

0:21:03.920 --> 0:21:06.800
<v Speaker 1>owl that that hurts. The next one's like, hey give

0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:09.600
<v Speaker 1>me that owl, Well, that does hurt, and next person, hey,

0:21:09.600 --> 0:21:11.000
<v Speaker 1>give me that al and then king round to me,

0:21:11.040 --> 0:21:15.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, all right, give me that. But the battery

0:21:15.080 --> 0:21:17.400
<v Speaker 1>had really run down, so it wasn't a very powerful

0:21:17.400 --> 0:21:20.639
<v Speaker 1>stun gun. And really the reaction we all had was

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<v Speaker 1>if you hit an attacker with that particular stun gun

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<v Speaker 1>because the battery been worn down so much, you really

0:21:26.359 --> 0:21:29.320
<v Speaker 1>would have just irritated them. Because again, it wasn't enough

0:21:29.359 --> 0:21:31.800
<v Speaker 1>to make all your muscles contract. It made you made,

0:21:31.920 --> 0:21:35.040
<v Speaker 1>made whatever muscle it was in contact with twitch like crazy,

0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:38.399
<v Speaker 1>and it stunned, but it wasn't enough to really be

0:21:38.440 --> 0:21:41.840
<v Speaker 1>a deterrent, well, a real stun gun with a fully

0:21:41.920 --> 0:21:44.920
<v Speaker 1>charged battery is serious business that can make you fall

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<v Speaker 1>over and it can be a while before you can

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<v Speaker 1>get back up again. And perhaps the most I would argue,

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<v Speaker 1>the most famous name in this sort of technology, although

0:21:54.640 --> 0:21:59.520
<v Speaker 1>it's not just a stun gun, is Taser, and a

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<v Speaker 1>typic called taser is a device that ejects a pair

0:22:03.280 --> 0:22:08.240
<v Speaker 1>of electrodes, fires them at a target. UH. The electrodes

0:22:08.359 --> 0:22:11.840
<v Speaker 1>trail a wire that connects back to the handheld device,

0:22:12.680 --> 0:22:14.880
<v Speaker 1>and then once it comes into contact with the target,

0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:20.320
<v Speaker 1>electricity flows through the wires into those electrodes and shocks

0:22:20.359 --> 0:22:25.000
<v Speaker 1>the target and again creates a shock strong enough to

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<v Speaker 1>make all those muscles contract and the person generally winces,

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<v Speaker 1>says something along the lines of owl and falls over UM.

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<v Speaker 1>And the intention is to do this in a non

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<v Speaker 1>lethal way. Now, there have been deaths associated with the

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<v Speaker 1>use of tasers. In some cases it was because of

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<v Speaker 1>the way the target or the person will say person

0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:52.600
<v Speaker 1>target is just the generic term, but the person fell,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the fall was partially what killed the person.

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<v Speaker 1>In some cases, it might be that the person had

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<v Speaker 1>a pacemaker or some other medical device that got UH

0:23:03.040 --> 0:23:07.200
<v Speaker 1>that malfunction due to the electric shock. Sometimes it has

0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:12.480
<v Speaker 1>to do with drugs that are in the person's system. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>even though it's meant to be non lethal, not every

0:23:15.560 --> 0:23:18.880
<v Speaker 1>single instance is non lethal. So these are and that's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much true of all those things we're talking about

0:23:21.080 --> 0:23:24.440
<v Speaker 1>that have these really serious consequences, is that they could

0:23:24.480 --> 0:23:30.040
<v Speaker 1>potentially kill somebody. Well that that basic taser you can

0:23:30.119 --> 0:23:34.919
<v Speaker 1>fire that at someone who's maybe twenty ft away. But

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<v Speaker 1>Taser came up with something pretty interesting that I saw.

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<v Speaker 1>I think back in two thousand nine at C E. S. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe you're talking about an article you wrote on

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<v Speaker 1>how Stuff Works dot com. Yeah, the Taser shotgun. Yes, yeah, Well,

0:23:48.160 --> 0:23:51.719
<v Speaker 1>actually isn't the shotgun itself. It's the shotgun shot But

0:23:51.840 --> 0:23:55.240
<v Speaker 1>you do you do get you can have a specific

0:23:55.240 --> 0:24:00.879
<v Speaker 1>shotgun that is designed to only fire these Taser shotgun shells,

0:24:00.960 --> 0:24:04.840
<v Speaker 1>so they won't fire a round of shot. But these

0:24:04.840 --> 0:24:11.040
<v Speaker 1>Taser shotgun shells. Inside the the shell is a Taser device.

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<v Speaker 1>There are the little electronic probes that will stick into

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<v Speaker 1>whatever the target is. The back half of the shell

0:24:18.520 --> 0:24:20.760
<v Speaker 1>detaches and there are a bunch of there are a

0:24:20.760 --> 0:24:23.359
<v Speaker 1>couple of wires where it will attach to the probes.

0:24:23.720 --> 0:24:26.520
<v Speaker 1>The back half dangles down from the target and then

0:24:26.640 --> 0:24:31.960
<v Speaker 1>shoots electricity through those prongs. So that gives military or

0:24:32.000 --> 0:24:36.080
<v Speaker 1>police the ability of firing a taser at a much

0:24:36.640 --> 0:24:38.640
<v Speaker 1>greater range than they could if they were just using

0:24:38.640 --> 0:24:43.000
<v Speaker 1>a handheld device. Also, the shotgun shell has little fins

0:24:43.040 --> 0:24:46.680
<v Speaker 1>on it that stabilize its flight. So yeah, I've seen

0:24:46.840 --> 0:24:50.280
<v Speaker 1>a regular shotgun that has shot that dispersed. Disperses as

0:24:50.320 --> 0:24:52.000
<v Speaker 1>soon as you fire. Yeah, this this is so that

0:24:52.040 --> 0:24:53.760
<v Speaker 1>it will give it a stable flight paths, so that

0:24:53.840 --> 0:24:58.040
<v Speaker 1>it'll it'll fly in the straight direction of where you're

0:24:58.040 --> 0:25:01.520
<v Speaker 1>aiming the shotgun. And if I remember the article correctly,

0:25:02.200 --> 0:25:05.399
<v Speaker 1>you wrote that there, if they try to remove it,

0:25:06.200 --> 0:25:09.919
<v Speaker 1>then they get shocked. Yeah. The the wires that have

0:25:10.000 --> 0:25:15.600
<v Speaker 1>the electricity running through them are not shielded, so I

0:25:15.640 --> 0:25:18.480
<v Speaker 1>need to remove this. Yeah, then you grab it and

0:25:18.520 --> 0:25:21.080
<v Speaker 1>then you get shocked again, and it does send pulses

0:25:21.080 --> 0:25:23.520
<v Speaker 1>of electricity through and I think it's like twenty seconds

0:25:23.800 --> 0:25:30.720
<v Speaker 1>of a pretty serious shock so that it'll mobilize the person. Um. Yeah,

0:25:30.720 --> 0:25:34.440
<v Speaker 1>and they were showing every time I see taser at

0:25:34.440 --> 0:25:36.720
<v Speaker 1>c s, they are they tend to be showing off

0:25:36.840 --> 0:25:41.000
<v Speaker 1>their technology by bringing in volunteers, and I cannot imagine

0:25:41.040 --> 0:25:44.720
<v Speaker 1>ever being a volunteer for that. I took a pepper

0:25:44.760 --> 0:25:48.040
<v Speaker 1>spray certification course. Did you actually have to get hit

0:25:48.080 --> 0:25:52.480
<v Speaker 1>by the pepper spray to be actually certified? Yes? And

0:25:52.960 --> 0:25:55.679
<v Speaker 1>everyone I elected not to. I watched everyone else do it,

0:25:55.680 --> 0:25:57.560
<v Speaker 1>and I was very glad that I had not elected

0:25:57.560 --> 0:25:59.840
<v Speaker 1>not to. Yeah, everyone I've seen. I mean, I've known

0:25:59.840 --> 0:26:01.600
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people who have gone into the military,

0:26:01.880 --> 0:26:06.720
<v Speaker 1>into or into the police force, or even into uh

0:26:07.000 --> 0:26:10.320
<v Speaker 1>to firefighter courses where part of it is that they

0:26:10.359 --> 0:26:13.119
<v Speaker 1>have to be exposed to this stuff so that they

0:26:13.160 --> 0:26:17.040
<v Speaker 1>understand what the consequences are and they know what the

0:26:17.119 --> 0:26:20.560
<v Speaker 1>effect is. Well, in every case it has been a

0:26:20.680 --> 0:26:24.960
<v Speaker 1>horror story to hear about their experiences. Well, yeah, that's

0:26:24.960 --> 0:26:27.240
<v Speaker 1>the uh, that's the thing. One of the reasons that

0:26:27.240 --> 0:26:30.199
<v Speaker 1>pepper spray is more effective than a lot of chemical weapons,

0:26:30.200 --> 0:26:33.840
<v Speaker 1>from what I understand, is that, um, uh, no matter

0:26:34.240 --> 0:26:37.840
<v Speaker 1>what you might be uh taking, if you're on some

0:26:37.920 --> 0:26:42.960
<v Speaker 1>kind of drug that might otherwise, um, you know, make

0:26:43.040 --> 0:26:47.040
<v Speaker 1>you feel less pain. Um, the pepper spray will still

0:26:47.040 --> 0:26:51.840
<v Speaker 1>make everything swell up uh involuntarily. UM. So you might

0:26:51.960 --> 0:26:54.400
<v Speaker 1>you might not notice the pain, but the swelling will

0:26:54.440 --> 0:26:56.480
<v Speaker 1>still impede you. Yeah, and that was one of the

0:26:56.520 --> 0:26:58.960
<v Speaker 1>reasons that that they have to do that. It was

0:26:59.000 --> 0:27:03.679
<v Speaker 1>because actually goes back to your shocking yourself story, is

0:27:03.760 --> 0:27:06.760
<v Speaker 1>to keep people from going, hey, Bill, look at that.

0:27:07.400 --> 0:27:10.639
<v Speaker 1>You know, uh, you don't want to do that on

0:27:10.640 --> 0:27:13.640
<v Speaker 1>on just just for kicks. It's not something that that's

0:27:13.720 --> 0:27:19.000
<v Speaker 1>serious business. But well, yeah, I have one other electricity one. Okay, cool,

0:27:19.040 --> 0:27:20.800
<v Speaker 1>and then I can actually add a couple of things

0:27:20.800 --> 0:27:24.000
<v Speaker 1>that are similar groovy. Uh. The last one I wanted

0:27:24.000 --> 0:27:26.320
<v Speaker 1>to talk about is still a taser one is the

0:27:26.320 --> 0:27:30.080
<v Speaker 1>Taser shock Wave. I don't know much about this one.

0:27:30.440 --> 0:27:32.520
<v Speaker 1>This was another one that I saw on display the

0:27:32.560 --> 0:27:36.440
<v Speaker 1>same time as the shotgun. Now. Shock Wave is essentially,

0:27:36.480 --> 0:27:41.439
<v Speaker 1>it's a bank of tasers. Take six regular taser guns

0:27:41.920 --> 0:27:46.960
<v Speaker 1>together in a twenty degree arc h and put them

0:27:46.960 --> 0:27:50.000
<v Speaker 1>on a tripod and then you set it out in

0:27:50.080 --> 0:27:53.280
<v Speaker 1>front of you, and that way, when the rampaging horde

0:27:53.320 --> 0:27:55.880
<v Speaker 1>of zombies comes at you, you can fire off if

0:27:55.880 --> 0:27:57.719
<v Speaker 1>you wanted to, you can fire off all six at

0:27:57.720 --> 0:28:01.080
<v Speaker 1>the same time, hitting those those people as they come

0:28:01.119 --> 0:28:05.120
<v Speaker 1>at you. You can also stack them. Are zombies affected

0:28:05.119 --> 0:28:08.080
<v Speaker 1>by electricity, Well, they their muscles would have to be right.

0:28:08.720 --> 0:28:10.960
<v Speaker 1>You would think there would be a galvanic response. But yeah,

0:28:11.480 --> 0:28:14.520
<v Speaker 1>clearly there's a galvanic response. I mean, come on, Frankenstein alone,

0:28:14.520 --> 0:28:17.359
<v Speaker 1>all right. Anyway, we'll have this discussion offline. But you

0:28:17.359 --> 0:28:19.680
<v Speaker 1>can stack these taser shock waves, so you can have

0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:22.320
<v Speaker 1>three or four of them stacked on top of each other,

0:28:22.320 --> 0:28:24.359
<v Speaker 1>which means now you've got four or three or four

0:28:24.400 --> 0:28:28.400
<v Speaker 1>times that, So eighteen or twenty four stun guns at

0:28:28.440 --> 0:28:33.560
<v Speaker 1>your taser stun guns at your disposal. This is terrifying

0:28:33.600 --> 0:28:35.119
<v Speaker 1>to look at in person. I mean, you look at

0:28:35.160 --> 0:28:37.640
<v Speaker 1>this thing and you just think of the You realize

0:28:37.640 --> 0:28:41.800
<v Speaker 1>that this is for very serious problems like an uprising

0:28:42.000 --> 0:28:46.520
<v Speaker 1>or a riot or something where there are there's a

0:28:46.560 --> 0:28:51.320
<v Speaker 1>demonstrable danger to people in property, Like I think about

0:28:51.440 --> 0:28:54.800
<v Speaker 1>the riots that happened in London and in the summer

0:28:54.800 --> 0:28:59.120
<v Speaker 1>of ah. This is the sort of thing where you

0:28:59.160 --> 0:29:04.120
<v Speaker 1>could a man gin uh something like this deployed where

0:29:04.360 --> 0:29:07.720
<v Speaker 1>it's you know, you wouldn't think of this as a

0:29:07.920 --> 0:29:11.080
<v Speaker 1>h the first option, but it's definitely one of those

0:29:11.080 --> 0:29:13.880
<v Speaker 1>things that you know could be in an arsenal for

0:29:14.600 --> 0:29:19.720
<v Speaker 1>trying to do crowd control or prevent a mob or

0:29:19.760 --> 0:29:25.480
<v Speaker 1>a riot from attacking a particular target. Anyway, it basically

0:29:25.520 --> 0:29:28.760
<v Speaker 1>functions the same way as a taser stun gun. It's

0:29:28.800 --> 0:29:32.760
<v Speaker 1>just that you have uh, put a whole bunch of

0:29:32.760 --> 0:29:36.240
<v Speaker 1>them together in series and uh actually I guess technically

0:29:36.240 --> 0:29:38.960
<v Speaker 1>they're all in parallel and you can stack them and

0:29:38.960 --> 0:29:41.040
<v Speaker 1>and so it's like instead of having to have a

0:29:41.040 --> 0:29:43.160
<v Speaker 1>whole bunch on hand where as soon as you because

0:29:43.160 --> 0:29:46.080
<v Speaker 1>as soon as you fire a taser, you can't just

0:29:46.200 --> 0:29:49.080
<v Speaker 1>immediately redeploy it. You know, First of all, you have

0:29:49.120 --> 0:29:51.920
<v Speaker 1>you would have to reel in the electrodes again, You'd

0:29:51.920 --> 0:29:57.120
<v Speaker 1>have to have a new uh cartridge of propellant in

0:29:57.200 --> 0:30:00.760
<v Speaker 1>order to shoot those electrodes again. You would also have

0:30:00.840 --> 0:30:04.640
<v Speaker 1>to have a charged up battery to to deliver the shock.

0:30:05.320 --> 0:30:09.680
<v Speaker 1>So this is what gives you that capacity without having

0:30:09.720 --> 0:30:13.120
<v Speaker 1>to have a whole bunch in a box behind you. Yeah,

0:30:13.120 --> 0:30:15.040
<v Speaker 1>that would that would be another advantage of having the

0:30:15.280 --> 0:30:19.040
<v Speaker 1>taser shotgun shell as you can reload very quickly and

0:30:19.040 --> 0:30:24.000
<v Speaker 1>and yeah, that's absolutely terrifying. Really anyway, what was your

0:30:24.000 --> 0:30:26.720
<v Speaker 1>next category? Let me see, before I I was gonna

0:30:26.760 --> 0:30:29.560
<v Speaker 1>go onto one of my favorite types of technology of

0:30:29.560 --> 0:30:33.680
<v Speaker 1>all time, lasers Okay, well before before we do that,

0:30:33.720 --> 0:30:36.520
<v Speaker 1>since we were talking about the taser shotgun shell a

0:30:36.520 --> 0:30:40.760
<v Speaker 1>moment ago. Um. The Department of Defense also has uh

0:30:41.120 --> 0:30:48.120
<v Speaker 1>weapons that it uses in shotguns, UM, such as stingball shells. Um. Wow,

0:30:48.480 --> 0:30:53.000
<v Speaker 1>sting stingballs are essentially I mean, they're shot, but they're rubber,

0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:58.040
<v Speaker 1>so it's almost like the bean bag guns too. Yeah. UM.

0:30:58.080 --> 0:30:59.760
<v Speaker 1>This is why I think that some people use less

0:30:59.760 --> 0:31:04.120
<v Speaker 1>than ethal because I imagine that a rubber pellet, well,

0:31:04.200 --> 0:31:07.640
<v Speaker 1>judging by the effects of hockey pucks on unprotected hockey

0:31:07.640 --> 0:31:10.840
<v Speaker 1>players when they get hit with them or even protected ones,

0:31:10.960 --> 0:31:13.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, and that's a frozen piece of rubber. So

0:31:13.600 --> 0:31:15.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm thinking that if it were coming at

0:31:15.520 --> 0:31:18.000
<v Speaker 1>you fast enough, it could do significant damage. But they

0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:20.720
<v Speaker 1>used they use sting balls in another and several other

0:31:21.040 --> 0:31:25.560
<v Speaker 1>types of weapons like the there's a stingball grenade that

0:31:25.680 --> 0:31:30.800
<v Speaker 1>launches the little rubber pellets and a modular crowd control

0:31:30.960 --> 0:31:34.080
<v Speaker 1>munition which is about the size of a Claymore mine

0:31:34.760 --> 0:31:37.800
<v Speaker 1>and send six hundred, six hundred rubber balls out at

0:31:37.840 --> 0:31:41.680
<v Speaker 1>high speed quote unquote to suppress targets. And I'm pretty

0:31:41.720 --> 0:31:44.400
<v Speaker 1>sure if an explosion of six hundred little rubber balls

0:31:45.080 --> 0:31:47.280
<v Speaker 1>we're happening right next to me, that I would probably

0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:51.400
<v Speaker 1>be suppressed. Yeah, here's the thing is that when we

0:31:51.440 --> 0:31:55.360
<v Speaker 1>talk about things like these, these devices that shoot out

0:31:56.280 --> 0:32:00.680
<v Speaker 1>uh projectiles at high speeds, clearly there's already an added

0:32:01.000 --> 0:32:04.280
<v Speaker 1>danger there because you've got something that's causing the stuff

0:32:04.320 --> 0:32:07.520
<v Speaker 1>to fly out at those those velocities right right, So

0:32:07.560 --> 0:32:11.040
<v Speaker 1>you have some sort of propellant or explosive that is

0:32:11.160 --> 0:32:16.120
<v Speaker 1>giving these things the kinetic energy they need to suppress crowds. Clearly,

0:32:16.240 --> 0:32:18.840
<v Speaker 1>I would imagine if you are right there next to

0:32:18.880 --> 0:32:21.720
<v Speaker 1>whatever it is when it goes off, you could suffer

0:32:21.800 --> 0:32:26.040
<v Speaker 1>a really severe injury if not, if not death. Well,

0:32:26.080 --> 0:32:29.280
<v Speaker 1>you know they used the flash band grenades. Uh, they use,

0:32:29.720 --> 0:32:32.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, these explosive devices to propel these out, And

0:32:32.800 --> 0:32:35.280
<v Speaker 1>if you're standing right next to it, if the the

0:32:35.360 --> 0:32:37.800
<v Speaker 1>charge is loud enough, I'm sure it could damage you're hearing.

0:32:37.800 --> 0:32:43.240
<v Speaker 1>I mean thinking back to uh Keith Moon's famous appearance

0:32:43.520 --> 0:32:47.360
<v Speaker 1>with the who Um on The Mother's Brother's Show where

0:32:47.400 --> 0:32:51.080
<v Speaker 1>he put a uh basically just an off the shelf

0:32:51.680 --> 0:32:57.000
<v Speaker 1>um explosive inside his bass drum, and yeah, and Pete

0:32:57.000 --> 0:33:00.200
<v Speaker 1>Townsend's hearing is was damaged. Permanently by that. Yeah. Tellnon

0:33:00.320 --> 0:33:04.040
<v Speaker 1>had some some some interesting things to say about that,

0:33:04.120 --> 0:33:09.320
<v Speaker 1>although not immediately after the explosion because he couldn't hear anything. Yeah. Um,

0:33:09.360 --> 0:33:12.080
<v Speaker 1>so so that's certainly an issue. I've played paintball too,

0:33:12.120 --> 0:33:16.560
<v Speaker 1>have you ever? Um, one of the first things that

0:33:16.600 --> 0:33:18.920
<v Speaker 1>I know, and and those use the paintball guns use

0:33:19.120 --> 0:33:23.920
<v Speaker 1>compressed uh carbon dioxide capsules UM to fire the paintballs out.

0:33:24.120 --> 0:33:28.760
<v Speaker 1>Now actually they use UM similar things in law enforcement.

0:33:28.760 --> 0:33:32.960
<v Speaker 1>In the military. They have capsas and capsules basically pepper

0:33:33.000 --> 0:33:36.239
<v Speaker 1>spray in paintball form, if you will, UM, And they

0:33:36.240 --> 0:33:39.000
<v Speaker 1>have guns that that fire those. But um, you know,

0:33:39.040 --> 0:33:41.240
<v Speaker 1>I was the first, very first game I played. I've

0:33:41.240 --> 0:33:44.080
<v Speaker 1>never played before. Of course, you're wearing goggles. Okay, so

0:33:44.400 --> 0:33:46.480
<v Speaker 1>if you have a stingball grenade and you are in

0:33:46.480 --> 0:33:49.600
<v Speaker 1>a crowd and you don't have goggles on, then your

0:33:49.600 --> 0:33:52.640
<v Speaker 1>eyes are obviously in danger. But that this is one

0:33:52.680 --> 0:33:54.720
<v Speaker 1>of those things where you you you put the goggles

0:33:54.760 --> 0:33:57.040
<v Speaker 1>on and you you're ready to go, and everybody's set

0:33:57.120 --> 0:33:58.680
<v Speaker 1>up on your teams, and they blow the whistle to

0:33:58.680 --> 0:34:01.200
<v Speaker 1>start the paintball game, and the paintball you start to

0:34:01.280 --> 0:34:05.640
<v Speaker 1>hear the sounds of the paintballs behind you and your

0:34:05.680 --> 0:34:08.480
<v Speaker 1>several hundred feet away from the people who are firing them,

0:34:08.480 --> 0:34:10.480
<v Speaker 1>and you're starting to go, you know what, this is

0:34:10.520 --> 0:34:12.680
<v Speaker 1>gonna hurt when I get shot, And as it turns out,

0:34:12.760 --> 0:34:15.759
<v Speaker 1>it does. So I mean these these weapons, I mean

0:34:15.840 --> 0:34:18.799
<v Speaker 1>talking about rubber balls and some of these other things

0:34:18.840 --> 0:34:21.279
<v Speaker 1>that these projectiles, even though they are designed to be

0:34:21.320 --> 0:34:25.319
<v Speaker 1>non lethal, can cause damage. Uh. You know if you

0:34:25.440 --> 0:34:27.200
<v Speaker 1>if you get hit with them in the right spot,

0:34:27.680 --> 0:34:29.359
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, it might be you might get

0:34:29.360 --> 0:34:33.960
<v Speaker 1>one in the arm from a thousand feet away. Ol. Okay,

0:34:34.000 --> 0:34:36.120
<v Speaker 1>so you went out, but if you were standing right

0:34:36.160 --> 0:34:37.960
<v Speaker 1>next to it, it it could cause a lot more damage.

0:34:37.960 --> 0:34:39.680
<v Speaker 1>If you're near it and you got it in the rib,

0:34:39.760 --> 0:34:41.440
<v Speaker 1>you can have a broken rib or at least a

0:34:41.480 --> 0:34:47.359
<v Speaker 1>bruised rib. Well, they cause wealths, those paintballs. Moving on

0:34:47.400 --> 0:34:53.040
<v Speaker 1>to lasers, one of the most basic forms of using

0:34:53.080 --> 0:34:55.719
<v Speaker 1>a laser as a non lethal weapon is you don't

0:34:56.160 --> 0:34:58.399
<v Speaker 1>you don't have a high powered laser, use a low

0:34:58.440 --> 0:35:02.560
<v Speaker 1>powered laser to direct light at optics or sensors or

0:35:02.600 --> 0:35:05.680
<v Speaker 1>people's vision, and you're just trying to blind them. Now,

0:35:05.840 --> 0:35:13.000
<v Speaker 1>these are called dazzlers or personal halting and stimulation response

0:35:13.080 --> 0:35:19.160
<v Speaker 1>weapons acronym is PHASER. I know it's not mine. I

0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:22.839
<v Speaker 1>didn't make it up. Yeah. The Department of Defense has

0:35:22.920 --> 0:35:27.239
<v Speaker 1>what it calls the Green Laser Interdiction System. Yeah, that's exactly. Yeah,

0:35:27.280 --> 0:35:29.960
<v Speaker 1>that's another way of putting it. Yeah, and they mount

0:35:29.960 --> 0:35:34.839
<v Speaker 1>those on rifles to uh to dazzle their opponents. Well,

0:35:34.880 --> 0:35:36.720
<v Speaker 1>I mean you think about it. There have been stories

0:35:36.719 --> 0:35:39.120
<v Speaker 1>in the media about people who are using off the

0:35:39.160 --> 0:35:42.640
<v Speaker 1>shelf laser pointers and pointing them at aircraft to be funny,

0:35:42.719 --> 0:35:47.360
<v Speaker 1>to blind the pilots. Yeah. The in this case, these

0:35:47.760 --> 0:35:51.120
<v Speaker 1>lasers are are they're low powered in the sense that

0:35:51.160 --> 0:35:54.640
<v Speaker 1>they're not they're not powered high enough to do physical

0:35:54.719 --> 0:35:56.879
<v Speaker 1>damage against something. They're not going to do any sort

0:35:56.920 --> 0:35:59.840
<v Speaker 1>of vaporization or ablation or anything like that, right, but

0:36:00.120 --> 0:36:03.360
<v Speaker 1>they will they will cut straight through things like fog

0:36:04.080 --> 0:36:06.600
<v Speaker 1>and um and they are very very bright, and they're

0:36:06.600 --> 0:36:11.000
<v Speaker 1>bright enough to actually blind you temporarily if you were

0:36:11.080 --> 0:36:13.839
<v Speaker 1>to look into it. And it also again is used

0:36:13.840 --> 0:36:19.239
<v Speaker 1>to to uh confuse sensors and optics so that, let's

0:36:19.239 --> 0:36:21.680
<v Speaker 1>say that you've got a coordinated attack on a target,

0:36:21.760 --> 0:36:25.600
<v Speaker 1>this way you can, um, you can minimize their defenses

0:36:25.680 --> 0:36:31.000
<v Speaker 1>as much as you can when you're attack is approaching. Um. Actually,

0:36:31.080 --> 0:36:33.799
<v Speaker 1>if you think about it, you um, well, they also

0:36:33.840 --> 0:36:37.080
<v Speaker 1>have a device called ocular interruption, which is sort of

0:36:37.120 --> 0:36:40.520
<v Speaker 1>a broader effect. Um. You know, they could use it

0:36:40.560 --> 0:36:45.399
<v Speaker 1>to uh to warn and suppress uh people who are

0:36:46.040 --> 0:36:49.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, the enemy or the the opponents of the military,

0:36:49.560 --> 0:36:52.759
<v Speaker 1>law enforcement trying to stop people. But it uh, it's

0:36:52.760 --> 0:36:56.880
<v Speaker 1>a it's rather than shining a pinpoint type laser directly

0:36:56.920 --> 0:36:59.640
<v Speaker 1>at somebody, it's more of a very very bright light

0:37:00.000 --> 0:37:03.600
<v Speaker 1>distributed um. And you think about you get some smoke

0:37:03.640 --> 0:37:08.120
<v Speaker 1>grenades and uh, some some lasers and very bright lights,

0:37:08.120 --> 0:37:12.000
<v Speaker 1>and you either have a very effective way to confuse

0:37:12.320 --> 0:37:16.640
<v Speaker 1>people or a rock concert, a Pink Floyd concert. Well,

0:37:16.640 --> 0:37:20.719
<v Speaker 1>and looking at pictures of this, it's very it's very

0:37:20.719 --> 0:37:22.719
<v Speaker 1>reminiscent of the kinds of effects that you would see

0:37:22.719 --> 0:37:24.879
<v Speaker 1>at a at a rock concert. All in all, there's

0:37:24.880 --> 0:37:27.759
<v Speaker 1>just another brick in the wall. Okay, So moving on

0:37:27.840 --> 0:37:30.600
<v Speaker 1>with more laser stuff. How have you heard about laser

0:37:30.680 --> 0:37:34.680
<v Speaker 1>induced plasma channels l i PC? All right, so this

0:37:34.719 --> 0:37:38.239
<v Speaker 1>is kind of an interesting idea. So you know what

0:37:38.320 --> 0:37:43.520
<v Speaker 1>a plasma is, It's an ionized gas plasma. No plasma

0:37:43.600 --> 0:37:47.560
<v Speaker 1>all right, let's come on really the big guys. So,

0:37:47.719 --> 0:37:50.560
<v Speaker 1>plasma is an ionized gas, which means that it has

0:37:50.800 --> 0:37:53.000
<v Speaker 1>free electrons flowing through this gas. It means that the

0:37:53.000 --> 0:37:57.279
<v Speaker 1>gas itself can conduct electricity. So imagine that you use

0:37:57.320 --> 0:38:00.680
<v Speaker 1>a laser to create a channel of plasm month So

0:38:00.719 --> 0:38:04.640
<v Speaker 1>in other words, you've got this area of of atmosphere

0:38:05.080 --> 0:38:07.239
<v Speaker 1>and then you create a channel of plasma within a

0:38:07.239 --> 0:38:11.080
<v Speaker 1>pretty narrow channel, and then you fire electricity down that channel.

0:38:11.080 --> 0:38:15.120
<v Speaker 1>It'll go across that channel as if it were a wire,

0:38:16.400 --> 0:38:21.200
<v Speaker 1>so you could beam electricity in a way. Now, these

0:38:21.239 --> 0:38:23.319
<v Speaker 1>things require a lot of power and they don't have

0:38:23.360 --> 0:38:26.000
<v Speaker 1>a lot of distance to them. So instead of being

0:38:26.080 --> 0:38:28.120
<v Speaker 1>used as a weapon where you would direct it at

0:38:28.280 --> 0:38:33.160
<v Speaker 1>an approaching enemy, you use it as a way of

0:38:33.280 --> 0:38:37.399
<v Speaker 1>barricading a hallway or a corridor. So you create these

0:38:37.480 --> 0:38:40.200
<v Speaker 1>lasers that go up and down, say a wall, so

0:38:40.320 --> 0:38:43.560
<v Speaker 1>they're they're aligned horizontally, like you could do them vertically

0:38:43.600 --> 0:38:48.080
<v Speaker 1>too if you wanted to, but horizontally across um a hallway.

0:38:49.360 --> 0:38:52.600
<v Speaker 1>You shoot this laser across the hallway, which creates this

0:38:52.719 --> 0:38:56.360
<v Speaker 1>thin channel of plasma that spans the hallway. Then you

0:38:56.360 --> 0:38:59.120
<v Speaker 1>shoot electricity along that channel. And now you've got these

0:38:59.200 --> 0:39:03.920
<v Speaker 1>zapping beams of electricity spanning the hallway, which act as

0:39:03.920 --> 0:39:07.120
<v Speaker 1>a pretty strong deterrent against anyone who has trying to

0:39:07.160 --> 0:39:10.879
<v Speaker 1>make unauthorized access to that corridor. I don't know, I've

0:39:10.920 --> 0:39:12.799
<v Speaker 1>seen all those spy movies. All you have to do is,

0:39:12.880 --> 0:39:16.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, do cartwheels and stuff over the lasers. Electricity

0:39:16.400 --> 0:39:19.160
<v Speaker 1>works a little differently than lasers do. But yeah, go

0:39:19.200 --> 0:39:23.239
<v Speaker 1>ahead and give that a shot. Um. Yeah, Actually that's reminiscent,

0:39:23.680 --> 0:39:26.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, jokes aside, that's reminiscent of the Plasma Cutter

0:39:27.000 --> 0:39:29.440
<v Speaker 1>podcast that we did sometime ago. Yeah, it's not not

0:39:29.640 --> 0:39:34.920
<v Speaker 1>entirely different. Now, most effects and this is intended again

0:39:35.000 --> 0:39:38.480
<v Speaker 1>to be a non lethal a way of of stopping

0:39:38.480 --> 0:39:45.239
<v Speaker 1>people from accessing uh hallways and corridors. Uh, it's it's

0:39:45.280 --> 0:39:48.480
<v Speaker 1>not you know, it's not the most efficient means of

0:39:49.200 --> 0:39:51.719
<v Speaker 1>trying to keep people out because it does require quite

0:39:51.719 --> 0:39:54.759
<v Speaker 1>a bit of power to operate. Um. And then I

0:39:54.880 --> 0:40:00.759
<v Speaker 1>have the pulsed Energy projectile or PEP. Now, this is

0:40:00.800 --> 0:40:04.800
<v Speaker 1>one of the versions of the pain ray, And in fact,

0:40:04.840 --> 0:40:07.759
<v Speaker 1>we were specifically asked about the pain right now. It's

0:40:07.760 --> 0:40:11.400
<v Speaker 1>a shame about this reminds me of that time you

0:40:11.480 --> 0:40:13.840
<v Speaker 1>tried to draw a hole in your head. Uh, the

0:40:14.280 --> 0:40:18.920
<v Speaker 1>actually was egne the But this, this particular weapon is

0:40:19.000 --> 0:40:22.400
<v Speaker 1>different from the other one we'll talk about, which uses microwaves.

0:40:22.440 --> 0:40:24.359
<v Speaker 1>We move onto that in a little bit. This one

0:40:24.520 --> 0:40:30.320
<v Speaker 1>uses a laser and again creates plasma. So the pulsed

0:40:30.400 --> 0:40:34.520
<v Speaker 1>energy projectile what it does. It uses a deuterium fluoride

0:40:34.640 --> 0:40:38.719
<v Speaker 1>laser that emits a very high powered invisible laser. It's

0:40:38.760 --> 0:40:43.720
<v Speaker 1>in the infrared spectrum that when it hits something, it

0:40:43.840 --> 0:40:47.719
<v Speaker 1>essentially starts to vaporize what it hits, just on the

0:40:47.840 --> 0:40:50.799
<v Speaker 1>very surface level. So if it hit you, it would

0:40:50.800 --> 0:40:55.919
<v Speaker 1>start to vaporize you, but not like disintegrating. It would

0:40:55.960 --> 0:40:57.879
<v Speaker 1>just be on the very surface, so like the top

0:40:57.960 --> 0:41:00.440
<v Speaker 1>level of skin or whatever. But then it creates an

0:41:00.480 --> 0:41:06.000
<v Speaker 1>exploding plasma. The electrons that the gas will give off

0:41:06.080 --> 0:41:10.239
<v Speaker 1>start to get even more energized as this laser pulses,

0:41:10.680 --> 0:41:14.839
<v Speaker 1>and that energy creates this exploding plasma, and that in

0:41:14.920 --> 0:41:17.799
<v Speaker 1>turn will stun a target and it gives off this

0:41:17.880 --> 0:41:22.000
<v Speaker 1>electromagnetic radiation that activates your nerve cells, which can give

0:41:22.040 --> 0:41:24.880
<v Speaker 1>you the sense of pain. And that pain could be

0:41:25.640 --> 0:41:28.880
<v Speaker 1>in many different forms. It could be depending upon the

0:41:28.880 --> 0:41:31.439
<v Speaker 1>the pulse. It could be a stabbing pain, it could

0:41:31.640 --> 0:41:35.560
<v Speaker 1>feel like burning, it could feel like ice um. And

0:41:35.600 --> 0:41:41.160
<v Speaker 1>then there's also a lethal version of this technology called

0:41:41.200 --> 0:41:46.960
<v Speaker 1>the pulse impulsive kill Laser, which has the best acronym

0:41:46.960 --> 0:41:51.840
<v Speaker 1>of all time pickle M p I k L the

0:41:52.000 --> 0:41:55.440
<v Speaker 1>deadly pickle. So when you fire, fire that you oppressed

0:41:55.440 --> 0:41:58.640
<v Speaker 1>the pickle. Switch. That's right, yes, give him the pickle.

0:41:59.360 --> 0:42:03.600
<v Speaker 1>So this was developed by a company called Mission Research Corporation,

0:42:03.640 --> 0:42:07.239
<v Speaker 1>which is now part of Alliance Tech Systems. And there's

0:42:07.280 --> 0:42:10.680
<v Speaker 1>some downsides to this weapon. Uh. One of the biggest

0:42:10.760 --> 0:42:14.279
<v Speaker 1>is that it's huge. This is an enormous weapon that

0:42:14.320 --> 0:42:18.279
<v Speaker 1>requires essentially a vehicle to move it around, So it's

0:42:18.400 --> 0:42:21.560
<v Speaker 1>a mounted weapon at the time right now, weighs around

0:42:21.640 --> 0:42:24.719
<v Speaker 1>like five pounds, So it's not something that could be

0:42:24.760 --> 0:42:30.800
<v Speaker 1>deployed in a uh like for your average infantry soldier.

0:42:31.480 --> 0:42:34.160
<v Speaker 1>You know that there's just there's no way of of

0:42:34.280 --> 0:42:40.480
<v Speaker 1>miniaturizing it down at the moment. So it's effective, uh,

0:42:40.520 --> 0:42:43.400
<v Speaker 1>and it is you know, supposed to again supposed to

0:42:43.400 --> 0:42:46.680
<v Speaker 1>be non lethal. It essentially stunts the target and makes

0:42:46.719 --> 0:42:51.440
<v Speaker 1>them hurt, but it doesn't kill them or or specifically

0:42:51.440 --> 0:42:55.000
<v Speaker 1>actually injure them. It's just again activating their their nerve endings,

0:42:55.040 --> 0:42:57.960
<v Speaker 1>so there's no physical damage going on. It's just stimulating

0:42:57.960 --> 0:43:00.879
<v Speaker 1>those nerve endings to create pain, which in a way

0:43:01.280 --> 0:43:06.080
<v Speaker 1>is like absolutely terrifying, right, you know, it's there's no

0:43:06.280 --> 0:43:11.520
<v Speaker 1>physical damage being done, but still really scary, but not

0:43:11.840 --> 0:43:16.840
<v Speaker 1>widely deployed, right right. Yeah, the The They've been talking

0:43:16.840 --> 0:43:20.040
<v Speaker 1>about these weapons for quite some time, years and years

0:43:20.080 --> 0:43:23.319
<v Speaker 1>at this point, and uh, the the one that we

0:43:23.440 --> 0:43:26.880
<v Speaker 1>really should talk about has uh well, it has its

0:43:26.920 --> 0:43:31.960
<v Speaker 1>own set of drawbacks, but it does use microwaves, um

0:43:32.040 --> 0:43:36.360
<v Speaker 1>and uh let's see where where to begin with. I

0:43:36.400 --> 0:43:39.000
<v Speaker 1>guess we can call it the the There are two

0:43:39.080 --> 0:43:41.440
<v Speaker 1>different versions of it that I read about, the Active

0:43:41.440 --> 0:43:44.680
<v Speaker 1>Denial System. Yeah, that's the one I've read about me. Well,

0:43:44.719 --> 0:43:47.399
<v Speaker 1>there's also one called the Silent Guardian, which is kind

0:43:47.440 --> 0:43:50.960
<v Speaker 1>of a little brother to h a d S SO.

0:43:51.040 --> 0:43:53.640
<v Speaker 1>A d S has a range of around five and

0:43:53.719 --> 0:43:57.440
<v Speaker 1>Silent Guardian has a range of around two d SO,

0:43:58.000 --> 0:44:00.080
<v Speaker 1>but they both work on the same principle. They with

0:44:00.239 --> 0:44:06.400
<v Speaker 1>use microwaves to create a pain ray and it gives

0:44:06.400 --> 0:44:10.480
<v Speaker 1>you the sensation of burning when you're hit by it.

0:44:10.560 --> 0:44:14.200
<v Speaker 1>You feel like you are are, like your skin is

0:44:14.239 --> 0:44:19.200
<v Speaker 1>being subjected to incredibly high temperatures. I watched a CBS

0:44:19.239 --> 0:44:24.759
<v Speaker 1>report on this, and the reporter actually withstood several blasts

0:44:24.800 --> 0:44:27.239
<v Speaker 1>of this and explained what it felt like. He said

0:44:27.280 --> 0:44:29.399
<v Speaker 1>that it felt like scalding water was being poured over

0:44:29.719 --> 0:44:32.400
<v Speaker 1>his entire body, and he was wearing, you know, it

0:44:32.440 --> 0:44:35.360
<v Speaker 1>was actually a cool day. He's wearing a pretty heavy jacket.

0:44:35.640 --> 0:44:38.200
<v Speaker 1>And he says that the microwaves just penetrate straight through

0:44:38.200 --> 0:44:41.279
<v Speaker 1>the clothing, so the clothing offered no protection whatsoever. It

0:44:41.280 --> 0:44:44.799
<v Speaker 1>didn't matter if his skin where was exposed or not. Uh.

0:44:44.920 --> 0:44:48.399
<v Speaker 1>He then held up a piece of plywood to use

0:44:48.440 --> 0:44:50.040
<v Speaker 1>as a shield, and he said the problem was that

0:44:50.200 --> 0:44:53.520
<v Speaker 1>using that still kept a lot of his body unprotected.

0:44:53.560 --> 0:44:56.960
<v Speaker 1>And um, just hitting his feet and his hands was

0:44:57.080 --> 0:45:00.840
<v Speaker 1>enough to make him dodge all the way of the

0:45:00.840 --> 0:45:04.839
<v Speaker 1>the pain ray. Yeah. Now he used a mattress, which

0:45:04.840 --> 0:45:07.120
<v Speaker 1>helped a little bit becauseid even then he could only

0:45:07.160 --> 0:45:09.680
<v Speaker 1>get so far before it got so painful that he

0:45:09.719 --> 0:45:13.719
<v Speaker 1>couldn't stand it anymore. And uh, and this is, you know,

0:45:14.680 --> 0:45:17.880
<v Speaker 1>again a pretty scary technology. It uses a microwave that

0:45:17.960 --> 0:45:23.200
<v Speaker 1>around nine giga hurts of frequency and at that frequency. UH,

0:45:23.239 --> 0:45:27.279
<v Speaker 1>the the penetration of the microwave is only about one

0:45:27.360 --> 0:45:30.480
<v Speaker 1>sixty four of an inch, So it's designed so it

0:45:30.520 --> 0:45:34.280
<v Speaker 1>will not cook you from the inside out. Yeah, microwave

0:45:34.320 --> 0:45:36.560
<v Speaker 1>oven goes much deeper than that. It can go several

0:45:36.600 --> 0:45:41.719
<v Speaker 1>centimeters into whatever it is that it is being exposed

0:45:41.719 --> 0:45:45.880
<v Speaker 1>to it. UM. And this, UH, this device is is

0:45:45.920 --> 0:45:50.560
<v Speaker 1>really UM. I read that. UM. They had the military

0:45:50.600 --> 0:45:55.200
<v Speaker 1>had invited several people to UH the Marine Corps Basic Quantico,

0:45:55.360 --> 0:45:59.040
<v Speaker 1>Virginia to experience this because basically they've been trying to

0:45:59.120 --> 0:46:01.040
<v Speaker 1>drum up support for this. This device has been around

0:46:01.120 --> 0:46:05.960
<v Speaker 1>for literally like fifteen twenty years now. UM. And then again,

0:46:05.960 --> 0:46:08.760
<v Speaker 1>this is one of the devices that has been pursued

0:46:08.880 --> 0:46:11.640
<v Speaker 1>very actively by the military and an attempt to come

0:46:11.719 --> 0:46:13.400
<v Speaker 1>up with something that is less than lethal in a

0:46:13.400 --> 0:46:16.040
<v Speaker 1>way to discourage people. And yes it does work. UM.

0:46:16.080 --> 0:46:18.200
<v Speaker 1>The reason they're having to drum up support for it,

0:46:19.080 --> 0:46:23.320
<v Speaker 1>UH is for one thing, it's known that it uses microwaves. UM.

0:46:23.400 --> 0:46:27.759
<v Speaker 1>They deployed the military deployed several of these UH pain

0:46:27.880 --> 0:46:32.000
<v Speaker 1>rays to UM the Middle East to use in theaters

0:46:32.040 --> 0:46:34.839
<v Speaker 1>over there in the last few years. And they never

0:46:34.880 --> 0:46:38.520
<v Speaker 1>really used them because they were afraid that people would

0:46:38.960 --> 0:46:42.919
<v Speaker 1>start talking about how the military we're using microwaves, uh,

0:46:42.920 --> 0:46:45.040
<v Speaker 1>and they you know, oh, well, you're going to cook us,

0:46:45.239 --> 0:46:48.440
<v Speaker 1>or you're going to make a sterile, you're going to

0:46:48.920 --> 0:46:53.000
<v Speaker 1>irradiate us, you're going to publicity, which is if you're

0:46:53.000 --> 0:46:56.480
<v Speaker 1>trying to say, look, you know, we don't want uh

0:46:56.600 --> 0:47:01.520
<v Speaker 1>fighting to escalate. We just want to break this argument

0:47:01.600 --> 0:47:04.200
<v Speaker 1>up and stop this particular incident right here. And it's

0:47:04.280 --> 0:47:06.680
<v Speaker 1>it's funny because a lot of this is based on

0:47:06.880 --> 0:47:11.359
<v Speaker 1>ignorance of how microwaves work. Because microwaves are a form

0:47:11.480 --> 0:47:15.000
<v Speaker 1>of non ionizing radiation, right, But a lot of people

0:47:15.000 --> 0:47:17.480
<v Speaker 1>don't they understand that. They think of it in terms

0:47:17.480 --> 0:47:19.799
<v Speaker 1>of the microwave oven. We know that that can be

0:47:19.880 --> 0:47:24.560
<v Speaker 1>used to irradiate and cook well, and people think this

0:47:24.560 --> 0:47:27.960
<v Speaker 1>this pain ray, if it were left on someone and

0:47:27.960 --> 0:47:31.160
<v Speaker 1>they were unable to move, it would cause burns. You

0:47:31.200 --> 0:47:33.759
<v Speaker 1>know a couple of people have been put in the hospital. Yeah,

0:47:33.800 --> 0:47:36.279
<v Speaker 1>you would. You could. You could suffer actual burns to

0:47:36.320 --> 0:47:39.640
<v Speaker 1>your skin. Now you're not going to have the if

0:47:39.680 --> 0:47:41.799
<v Speaker 1>you were sitting there long enough, those burns would start

0:47:41.800 --> 0:47:46.160
<v Speaker 1>to burn through you. But the you wouldn't immediately suffer

0:47:46.440 --> 0:47:49.719
<v Speaker 1>like deep burns. You would have skin burns, which are

0:47:49.920 --> 0:47:53.799
<v Speaker 1>that's no joy either. But it heats your skin up

0:47:53.800 --> 0:47:56.360
<v Speaker 1>to about a d degrees fahrenheit, which is about fifty

0:47:56.360 --> 0:48:00.719
<v Speaker 1>four degrees celsius. And uh, and that amperature you're not

0:48:01.880 --> 0:48:04.000
<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's enough for it to be painful, so

0:48:04.040 --> 0:48:05.839
<v Speaker 1>you want to get out of the way. It's not

0:48:05.920 --> 0:48:08.960
<v Speaker 1>supposed to be so hot that it's going to immediately

0:48:09.000 --> 0:48:13.080
<v Speaker 1>cause blisters to form and that kind of thing. Um,

0:48:13.120 --> 0:48:16.480
<v Speaker 1>but you know that's definitely there are there's a perception

0:48:16.520 --> 0:48:21.160
<v Speaker 1>that since it uses microwaves, it is more even I

0:48:21.200 --> 0:48:23.279
<v Speaker 1>want to say more sinister, but really, when you're talking

0:48:23.320 --> 0:48:27.520
<v Speaker 1>about inflicting pain, that's pretty sinister already. But or at

0:48:27.600 --> 0:48:29.319
<v Speaker 1>least it can be. It can that's what it can

0:48:29.320 --> 0:48:33.520
<v Speaker 1>be perceived as. But it's not as as it doesn't

0:48:34.160 --> 0:48:36.680
<v Speaker 1>cause injury the way you would immediately assume once you

0:48:36.680 --> 0:48:40.040
<v Speaker 1>hear a microwave, right right. Um, there's another problem with

0:48:40.080 --> 0:48:43.960
<v Speaker 1>it too. It takes a lot of energy and it

0:48:44.000 --> 0:48:47.520
<v Speaker 1>takes a long time to turn on. So you can't

0:48:48.120 --> 0:48:51.320
<v Speaker 1>say there's a demon demonstration that has gone out of hand.

0:48:51.640 --> 0:48:53.960
<v Speaker 1>There are people throwing stuff, there are people looting and

0:48:54.000 --> 0:48:56.080
<v Speaker 1>you want to stop them. You don't drive up in

0:48:56.120 --> 0:48:58.200
<v Speaker 1>the truck with the pain remounted on it. Um the

0:48:58.200 --> 0:49:00.960
<v Speaker 1>ones that the pictures I've seen show a Humby with

0:49:01.080 --> 0:49:03.799
<v Speaker 1>a giant it looks like a giant satellite dish sort

0:49:03.840 --> 0:49:06.640
<v Speaker 1>of thing on the top of the big, big antenna.

0:49:06.800 --> 0:49:10.760
<v Speaker 1>The PEP is essentially a very similar form factor. Yeah,

0:49:10.960 --> 0:49:13.160
<v Speaker 1>and you don't you don't, you know, drive up in

0:49:13.200 --> 0:49:17.320
<v Speaker 1>the pain rainmobile and flip the switch and cause everybody

0:49:17.360 --> 0:49:20.839
<v Speaker 1>to stop burning and looting. It takes a long time

0:49:20.880 --> 0:49:24.080
<v Speaker 1>to power up. I've seen hours listed as the time

0:49:24.080 --> 0:49:25.960
<v Speaker 1>it takes the power First you have to have a

0:49:25.960 --> 0:49:29.800
<v Speaker 1>comedian come out warm up the crowd. Hey, So that

0:49:29.880 --> 0:49:31.719
<v Speaker 1>once things really get cooking, that's when you turn on

0:49:31.760 --> 0:49:36.080
<v Speaker 1>the microwave. I see you're all looting, Hey, I like

0:49:36.160 --> 0:49:41.839
<v Speaker 1>to loot some shoes. You know, whenever you're looting and

0:49:42.040 --> 0:49:44.480
<v Speaker 1>there's just nothing to pick up and throw through the

0:49:44.520 --> 0:49:47.880
<v Speaker 1>window of that department store, doesn't that just make you crazy?

0:49:49.160 --> 0:49:52.080
<v Speaker 1>Say you got a size ten can key stator over there?

0:49:53.360 --> 0:49:57.520
<v Speaker 1>They run tight so so um, yeah, this is that

0:49:57.640 --> 0:49:59.480
<v Speaker 1>that's also a problem with it. It's not something that

0:50:00.080 --> 0:50:02.840
<v Speaker 1>it has to be in place and on um. And

0:50:02.880 --> 0:50:05.520
<v Speaker 1>in the case of having it vehicle mounted, that means

0:50:05.680 --> 0:50:07.640
<v Speaker 1>you have to be running the engine to keep the

0:50:07.680 --> 0:50:10.600
<v Speaker 1>power on or you know, a lot of battery usage,

0:50:10.640 --> 0:50:13.759
<v Speaker 1>and that's uh in an arrow. When fuel is a

0:50:13.760 --> 0:50:17.640
<v Speaker 1>lot more dear and cost um, that is a downside

0:50:17.640 --> 0:50:21.280
<v Speaker 1>that that's hard to ignore. So um, this very sophisticated,

0:50:21.960 --> 0:50:26.400
<v Speaker 1>uh non lethal weapon may just end up shelved because

0:50:26.520 --> 0:50:30.560
<v Speaker 1>it's uh uh you know it's got Yeah, Now, did

0:50:30.560 --> 0:50:32.520
<v Speaker 1>you have any others you wanted to talk about, because

0:50:32.520 --> 0:50:35.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm done, but you said you had a few futuristic ones.

0:50:36.200 --> 0:50:37.879
<v Speaker 1>There was one. I know we're running a little long,

0:50:37.960 --> 0:50:40.480
<v Speaker 1>so I just wanted to mention the one. I actually

0:50:40.480 --> 0:50:42.480
<v Speaker 1>saw a thing and wired about this and in the

0:50:42.520 --> 0:50:44.960
<v Speaker 1>magazine a few years ago, which is when when you

0:50:45.000 --> 0:50:46.680
<v Speaker 1>mentioned this, I thought, oh, that would be fun. I

0:50:46.680 --> 0:50:49.719
<v Speaker 1>still can't find where I put that, But there was

0:50:49.800 --> 0:50:51.520
<v Speaker 1>one that I read about then that I just I

0:50:51.520 --> 0:50:54.080
<v Speaker 1>found a little bit on and they've still they've pursued it,

0:50:54.120 --> 0:50:56.040
<v Speaker 1>but it seems like it's still sort of fallen by

0:50:56.040 --> 0:51:00.720
<v Speaker 1>the wayside. And that would be the googun um and uh,

0:51:00.960 --> 0:51:03.400
<v Speaker 1>it's been called different things, but what it's designed to

0:51:03.480 --> 0:51:07.520
<v Speaker 1>do it's sort of like the the polymer ice, except

0:51:07.560 --> 0:51:12.880
<v Speaker 1>it's designed to immobilize a target by shooting gooey silly

0:51:12.920 --> 0:51:16.279
<v Speaker 1>string like stuff at them, uh and wire. And I

0:51:16.360 --> 0:51:20.280
<v Speaker 1>remember it saying that it used some kind of bone

0:51:20.880 --> 0:51:23.720
<v Speaker 1>derivative to to use this, and it's supposed to harden

0:51:23.840 --> 0:51:26.040
<v Speaker 1>up when you get sprayed with it. I see, So

0:51:26.080 --> 0:51:29.960
<v Speaker 1>it's a foam that then solidifies. Yeah, and I think, um,

0:51:30.000 --> 0:51:31.719
<v Speaker 1>I think now what they've been using is more of

0:51:31.880 --> 0:51:36.680
<v Speaker 1>a synthetic polymer type uh material. I've I've seen pictures

0:51:36.680 --> 0:51:40.680
<v Speaker 1>of it. Um. It looks almost like the pink slime

0:51:41.040 --> 0:51:44.560
<v Speaker 1>that people have been talking about about meat processing lately.

0:51:45.040 --> 0:51:49.400
<v Speaker 1>It's a sort of a gooey pink uh tube like stuff.

0:51:49.640 --> 0:51:53.000
<v Speaker 1>The problem is it doesn't harden quickly enough to stop

0:51:53.040 --> 0:51:57.520
<v Speaker 1>someone who's running, So you end up gooey, but you

0:51:57.560 --> 0:52:01.439
<v Speaker 1>don't end up hardening up like a cartoon character after

0:52:01.480 --> 0:52:03.480
<v Speaker 1>they've been coated in cement, which is to say, you

0:52:03.480 --> 0:52:06.200
<v Speaker 1>know within about half of a second. You know, every

0:52:06.239 --> 0:52:09.360
<v Speaker 1>time somebody gets poured on concrete on him in the cartoons,

0:52:09.520 --> 0:52:13.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, and instantly hardens. You know. It doesn't do that. Um,

0:52:13.719 --> 0:52:20.240
<v Speaker 1>So that's kind of disappeared from that um from that usage.

0:52:20.280 --> 0:52:22.280
<v Speaker 1>But I have seen that people are using net guns

0:52:23.040 --> 0:52:25.680
<v Speaker 1>and they've been using some kind of sticky material on

0:52:25.719 --> 0:52:28.160
<v Speaker 1>the net so that the net sticks to you. And

0:52:28.200 --> 0:52:30.600
<v Speaker 1>that seems like it might be promising, because if you

0:52:31.239 --> 0:52:36.120
<v Speaker 1>shoot somebody with the net, um then uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and it has that sticky stuff and you can't think

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<v Speaker 1>of it as like fly paper. All of a sudden

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<v Speaker 1>you're tangled up in this net. You can't run anymore. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems like that would be hard to load. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it would be more effective against a very small number

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<v Speaker 1>of people. If you're dealing with a horde of zombies.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think you're If you're by yourself, you're pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much stuck. Well, I got five of them, but three

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<v Speaker 1>hundred more are coming at me. I think I'm in trouble.

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<v Speaker 1>Close up them all. Well. I found I found the

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<v Speaker 1>article I think that you were talking about on Wired.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called Army Reloads on Sticky Foam Weaponry. Yeah, that

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<v Speaker 1>that is one of the newer articles they This was

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<v Speaker 1>one of those. It was a feature on a series

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<v Speaker 1>of things and it had the pain ray. It was

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<v Speaker 1>it was literally like a series of a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>paragraphs each um in the print magazine. But yes, that

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<v Speaker 1>is that is when I consulted now, and it's the

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<v Speaker 1>picture of the guy covered in foam. It looks like

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<v Speaker 1>he's been attacked by a bunch of octopuses. Yes, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's thicker than silly string. It's probably a few centimeters

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<v Speaker 1>in diameter of the spray. It's uh, it's not an

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<v Speaker 1>attractive look. It's not all right. Well, I think uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's a great discussion about non lethal weapons

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<v Speaker 1>in general, and obviously there are tons more. Yeah, these

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<v Speaker 1>are just sort of examples of some of the ones

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<v Speaker 1>that have had probably the most publicity behind them, and

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<v Speaker 1>of course I'm sure there are others that we don't

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<v Speaker 1>even have any real inkling of because they are classified projects.

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<v Speaker 1>Even the yeah, the future non lethal weapons that they

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<v Speaker 1>list on the d O D site had a feeling

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<v Speaker 1>that those are probably not everything they're working on, I

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<v Speaker 1>would imagine, not just just have a feeling. So that

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