1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you didn't touch with technology? With tech 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:17,479 Speaker 1: Stuff from how stuff flix dot com. Hello everyone, then, 4 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 1: welcome to tech Stuff. My name is Chris Poulette, and 5 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 1: I am an editor at how Stuff works dot com. 6 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 1: Sitting across from me as usual as senior writer Jonathan Strickland. 7 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: You know, I'm just three days away from retirement. He 8 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: really wanted to do that, even though he haven't done 9 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: quotes in a while. Yeah, because you know, when we're 10 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 1: talking about non lethal weapons, I immediately thought of that 11 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:44,639 Speaker 1: great series of documentaries lethal Weapon and uh, and so 12 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: we wanted to talk today about weapons that are designed 13 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: to stop a target without killing that target, or at 14 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: least that that's supposed to be what they do. Well. Yeah, 15 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: some some of the research I did also turned up 16 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: other versions of the uh phrase non lethal weapons, including 17 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: less than lethal weapons, which sounds to me like it 18 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 1: is a a verbal uh disclaimer he's only mostly dead. Yeah, well, 19 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 1: it's not supposed to kill you. We actually had somebody, uh, 20 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 1: we've had some people right in to ask us about 21 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: a particular one of the ones we're gonna talk about today. 22 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 1: But um, really, there there's a whole series of different 23 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,559 Speaker 1: kinds of things that the military and police departments around 24 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 1: the world are investigating to basically stop people without hurting 25 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: them completely. Yeah. Yeah, so and this is this is tough. 26 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 1: I mean, how do you how do you convince someone 27 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: to stop acting irrationally or dangerously without really hurting that 28 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: person in turn? And it's tricky, but there are a 29 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: lot of different approaches that we've tried to take. Yeah, 30 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:59,559 Speaker 1: and I was I'm sorry. I was about to say 31 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: though that there are a lot of reasons why you 32 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: would want to do this other than you know, simply 33 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: not wanting to to kill someone. Um, you know, for 34 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 1: for strategic reasons. If you have, say uh um, and 35 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 1: this scenario I've seen written about a lot, uh say 36 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 1: an uprising where you have say, hundreds of people uh 37 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: protesting and maybe the protest is getting out of hand. Well, 38 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: the the authorities who come to subdue the protesters or 39 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: dispersed the protesters, Uh, if they kill people, they are 40 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: likely to escalate uh these kinds of of riots or 41 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 1: or disquiet. And uh, you know it's uh, it's happened. 42 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,399 Speaker 1: You know, we can I can remember stories going back 43 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 1: centuries of something like this happening. So if there's a 44 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: way to to uh get people to leave without really 45 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: hurting anybody, that that's an advantage for for everyone. Really. 46 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: I mean, the protesters don't get hurt as badly or 47 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: or you know, even if it just makes them feel 48 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 1: uncomfortable and they leave as a result of that, I mean, 49 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: it seems like, uh, it's a positive for everyone. Yeah. 50 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: And and we've tried a lot of different approaches with 51 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: a lot of different methodologies and a lot of different results, right, 52 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 1: not all of them have been successful. Here's one of 53 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: the ones I wanted to talk about first that's just 54 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: kind of interesting to me. This is using sound as 55 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: a weapon. Now, there are two different ways that sound 56 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 1: tends to be used as a weapon. One of them 57 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: is in something called a long range acoustic device or 58 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: l l R a d. Yes. These are focused beams 59 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: of sound. You you just you crank up the decibel 60 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: level to like a hundred fifty decibles, which is about 61 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: fifty decibles over the pain threshold, and you direct it 62 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: at the target. And that means the target suddenly has 63 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: this incredibly loud noise, uh directed at them and it's 64 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,119 Speaker 1: a painful experience to hear it. In fact, you can 65 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: suffer hearing loss if you are subjected to that for 66 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: too long. Uh. Some of these devices have actually been 67 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: used for a communication purpose. Is I read one report 68 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: that said that there were navy ships that used a 69 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: form of l R A D to send out signals 70 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: to um two boats as they pulled into a harbor. 71 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: So let's say that a giant navy vessel is sailing 72 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: into a harbor that's got a busy fishing uh industry, 73 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: and not all the fishermen are necessarily paying attention to 74 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: the fact that there's an enormous ship coming in and 75 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: they need to get out of the way. I read 76 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: a report that said that there was a way where 77 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: you could use this as a communications tool where you're 78 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 1: not trying to overpower someone, You're not trying to cripple them. 79 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: You're just trying to get their attention and say, hey, buddy, 80 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 1: we're coming through. You might want to move, And except 81 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: you're saying it in whatever the local languages, and that 82 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: it totally freaks people out because suddenly they can hear 83 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: this voice coming from really far away, as if it's 84 00:04:57,760 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: on a radio or something, but there's no radio. I mean, 85 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 1: just using a focused beam of sound to direct that 86 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: sound at the individual and then that gets a little 87 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: you know, it's a little unreal surreal, if you will. 88 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 1: I would love to have one of these just to 89 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 1: mess with people like, hey, hey you, I can see you, 90 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: you know that kind of stuff. But but but the 91 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 1: the other use of this is, like I said, crank 92 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: it up and you cripple someone because it's just so 93 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 1: loud that it it's the pain is um uh difficult 94 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 1: to bear on the on the Department of Defense non 95 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: Lethal Weapons program pages and they have I use these 96 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: for for my research. They have a set of current 97 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 1: and uh proposed um different kinds of non lethal weapons, 98 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: and they use what they call acoustic healing devices, which 99 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: I think are are probably related to these uh and 100 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: they have a picture of one of those. But they 101 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 1: say that they use them to to uh give intelligible 102 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: voice coming hands over very very long distances. So I 103 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: think they you know, from ship to ship, um, you 104 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: know where they're not actually trying to cause pain, but 105 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 1: they're using that level of h extra heavy amplification to 106 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: get a message across and they consider it a weapon 107 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: but they're not talking about using it in the exact 108 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 1: same way. It's like a really focused bullhorn. Yeah. Yeah. 109 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 1: Another UM non lethal weapon that I saw that uses 110 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: sound as the impulse stunnerd gun. UM. I don't know 111 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 1: about this one. No, it's uh, it's it's pretty neat. UM. 112 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: Some of these, some of these weapons quote unquote weapons, 113 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: I guess they're technically weapons, UM, have very interesting names. Uh. 114 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: This one is would have been used if you've ever 115 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: watched the movie Thunderball UM, the documentary the documentary Thub 116 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: Thunderball UM, which has a very scintillating underwater battle scene. UM. 117 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: But if someone had had the impulse stunner gun, that 118 00:06:58,080 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 1: might have gone in a a different way because basically this 119 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: is uh used to stop people who are diving or 120 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: swimming um underwater. It uses a sound wave that travels 121 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: underwater that affects a way a person here's and will 122 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: induce nausea. Oh so that's something you want to feel 123 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: when you're underwater. No. No, And I mean if you had, 124 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: you know, divers who are attempting some kind of underwater subterfuge. 125 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: I wanted to say subterfuge partially, Um, you know it 126 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: would it would you think about that if you were 127 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: feeling suddenly like you were about to be ill, very 128 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: violently ill underwater? I imagine it would be very hard 129 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: to continue on with your actions. You would have to 130 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: break it off and and dive for the surface, you know, 131 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: dive for the surface. What swim to the surface. Here 132 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: we go. Um, but yeah, that's a pretty neat application 133 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: of sound too well. And another one I saw, which 134 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: did not have a name, or at least not a 135 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: name that I can find, is a product that was 136 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: developed by some Japanese engineers. Uh. It was a gun 137 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: that has a microphone, a directional microphone, and directional speakers. 138 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: And the what the gun does is you pointed at 139 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:21,559 Speaker 1: someone who's being loud and obnoxious. Their voice goes into 140 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: the microphone. It gets projected back from by the speakers 141 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: at about a point to second delay, So the person 142 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: talking starts to hear themselves speaking but point two seconds 143 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 1: behind what they're currently saying, which is incredibly distracting. It's 144 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 1: very difficult to continue a train of thought when you're 145 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 1: hearing yourself at a slight delay. If you've ever talked 146 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 1: on the phone or on any sort of radio, device 147 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 1: where you got that little bit of an echo or 148 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: on on Skype for example, anything like that where you 149 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: start talking and you start hearing yourself just an instant 150 00:08:54,400 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: after you're talking. It can be very disorienting. Itsori. Yeah, 151 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: you start talking, then you're thinking, wait, I just said that. 152 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: No no, I just said that. No no, no, I 153 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: just said that, And then you can't make sense of 154 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: anything anymore. So this particular quote unquote weapon was sort 155 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: of a I was designed to try and take care 156 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: of people who are rude. Yeah, it's not meant to 157 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,439 Speaker 1: be like something to disperse a crowd or whatever. But 158 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: there were a lot of of notes I saw on 159 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,199 Speaker 1: the article. Yeah, that was popular a few a few 160 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: months ago. I remember seeing seeing that a lot. So 161 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,239 Speaker 1: it's not it's not something that the police are using necessarily. 162 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:36,839 Speaker 1: It's more like a I'm trying to eat my dinner 163 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: in a restaurant and you're having a cell phone conversation 164 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: at the table next to me and you're really annoying. Yeah, 165 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: or I'm at the movie theater and I just want 166 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: to watch this documentary darnett Um. Yeah, the notes I 167 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: saw said, what if you use this for someone who 168 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: was doing some public speaking. But I would imagine that 169 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 1: even with directional speakers, it's not so focused that only 170 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 1: the person who is speaking can hear it. You know, 171 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 1: it's not like you're beaming the words directly back into 172 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: the person's ears. Everyone can hear it. So it's not 173 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: like you could get away with doing something like that. 174 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: Everyone would know who had done that, and you would, uh, 175 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: you would very quickly get your come up. And I 176 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: would imagine, depending upon the circumstances of where you used it, 177 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: why you um, like, I just want to aim it 178 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: at that valedictorian, she's so big. Um. Yeah. I was 179 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: also thinking that that's interesting that we bring that up 180 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: in an election year here in the United States where 181 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: people are giving a lot of speeches. We'll see. That 182 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: was the thing that was That was what a lot 183 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: of the notes, uh, we're you know, That's what they 184 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: pertained to, was the idea of some sort of person 185 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: who's running for an elected office and then disrupting their 186 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: speech so that they seem like they're an idiot, and 187 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 1: then it gives their opponent an advantage. But the truth 188 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: is, is is that particular weapon or that particular product, whatever 189 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: you wanna call it, would not be so subtle as 190 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 1: to allow someone to get away with that. I have 191 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: another This is not another D O D product. UM 192 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,319 Speaker 1: actually looks sort of like a series of of flat 193 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: disks that are quartered together. Doesn't look very offensive if 194 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: you will weapon. But it's called the Enhanced Underwater Loudhailer. 195 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: I told you they had some strange names. Basically, this 196 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: is another underwater device that can be used up to 197 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 1: uh forty deep in water. UM, and it can it 198 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:41,319 Speaker 1: can transmit sound up to four sevens away. Basically they 199 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: can give It's sort of like the one that they 200 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: use above the surface of the water. But um, it 201 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 1: allows you to uh send on you know. I actually 202 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: the one I was just talking about a few moments ago, 203 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 1: where the the device that you could use to send 204 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: signals for a very long time, make your commands heard 205 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 1: for very long distance. They show a picture of a 206 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: Navy ship. Think you could probably use that in other applications. UM, 207 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: but yeah, they can also they can also issue commands 208 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: with this underwater a loudhailer or impair uh um people's 209 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: hearing underwater for up to two hours. It will operate 210 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: so uh pretty neat. It's sort of it's sort of 211 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: like the and some of the other research I did. 212 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: I was looking at things like culture ups and devices 213 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: that you would use to stop vehicles, and I wasn't 214 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 1: really going to focus on that, but it sort of 215 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: seems like that, like you could drop this underwater. It's 216 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: battery operated and they can use it to give commands 217 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: and and affect divers hearing underwater. So pretty neat. Yeah, 218 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: I'm ready to move on to a new category unless 219 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 1: you have another sound one. No, this is this is 220 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: moving to the category of air using air as a weapon. Oh, 221 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: sort of like the air Zuka. Yeah, exactly, that's exactly 222 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: what it is. So air Zuka. So you're talking about 223 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: a device to Yeah, it's a toy. It's a device 224 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: that creates a vortex ring. Yeah. Now text ring is 225 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: kind of imagine sort of like a tornado, exceptance in 226 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 1: a donut shape and it will it's air that will 227 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 1: rotate in this donut shape and it actually will maintain 228 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: that integrity for a pretty good distance. And the air 229 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: Zuka is just a it's a toy that does this. 230 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: You pull back a uh a sort of a well 231 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: it's a diaphragm really, and you let go and it 232 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 1: pushes air out through a novel and that creates the 233 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: spinning vortex of air that then can go across the 234 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: room and hit someone in the face and they feel 235 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: like someone just you know, blew a huge breath of 236 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 1: air right in their face for for no apparent reason. So, yeah, 237 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: you walk in the door of a room, someone across 238 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: the room has gone whoop, and then you go, hey, 239 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: what was that? Well, and and there's and I mean 240 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: it doesn't move that fast either, So it's kind of 241 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: funny because you actually can see, you know, there's there 242 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: are a few seconds between when someone might fire one 243 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: and someone else might feel it, and so you're just 244 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: waiting and waiting. So that didn't work. Oh yeah, there's 245 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: the guy. They're flinching. Now, yep, it worked. Well, you 246 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: can actually kick that up a notch and weaponize it. 247 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: And if you use pressurized gas and you accelerate the 248 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: gas to supersonic velocity as it exits the nozzle. Once 249 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: it comes out of that nozzle, it becomes a high 250 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: spin vortex ring that can travel a good long distance 251 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: and be strong enough to knock over someone oh around 252 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: a hundred eighty pounds. So they it's like getting shoved 253 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: in the chest by a really strong person. It's just 254 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: it's just that it's air. Now, you could also, if 255 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: you were so inclined, add in um malodorance. I you know, 256 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: there were so many jokes that I was thinking about making, 257 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: and I'm you're just not helping me. Well, the malodorance 258 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: would be designed maloderant, of course, of something that smells bad. 259 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: But a malodorant could be designed to induce nausea or 260 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: for to make your eyes water. So then you're getting 261 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: shoved by a very stinky person essentially. But when I 262 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: say stinky person, I'm talking about smells. They're so bad 263 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: that you might feel like wretching. It's it's not like, 264 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: it's not just you know, oh that's like rotten eggs. No, 265 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: it's way way worse. And uh, you could even put 266 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: in other stuff too, if you really wanted to, like 267 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: some something that would affect you even more um acutely 268 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: than a malodorant. But anyway, that's the general idea is 269 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: just using air to knock back a person. Now, in 270 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: this case, you're talking about a weapon designed to really 271 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: knocked back individuals, right, You're not talking about like if 272 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: there's a group of people, uh, walking up, shooting each 273 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: one with a vortex of air is gonna take a 274 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: while because you have to let that pressure build back 275 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: up again and you have to then release the gas 276 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: so that it goes out. And of course, again that's 277 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: a projectile that doesn't move as fast as say a 278 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: bullet or even sound or anything like that, So it 279 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: starts to slow down almost immediately as it moves out, 280 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: well really immediately as soon as it objects from the nozzle. 281 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: So even though it's moving at supersonic speeds within the nozzle, 282 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: once it gets out, it starts to slow down. Um. 283 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: So it's not it's not something that you could use 284 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: on a mass of people. But if you're talking about 285 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: aiming at a specific person to knock them down, perhaps 286 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: it's a individual who has shown himself to be a 287 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: danger or herself to be a danger to others, than 288 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: it would be a useful tool without actually causing that 289 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: person direct harm. Now, granted, if the person falls down, 290 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: there's always the chance that person could suffer serious injury 291 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: in that fall, but the impact of the air itself 292 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: should not necessarily cause injury. M Um, I don't really 293 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: have a lot of air based, I can move on 294 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: to electricity. Well you know it. I do have one 295 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: that's uh that sort of reminds me of that sort 296 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: of out of that um that field. And there was 297 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: one that that I saw as a UM it would 298 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 1: be very effective against vehicles, but it also would make you, um, 299 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 1: well slip called polymer ice. Did you run across this 300 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 1: one at all? This is not now, this is this 301 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,239 Speaker 1: is a this is a spray. But apparently what it 302 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: is is essentially uh, you know, a polymer is as 303 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: a chemical, and they would use it in places where 304 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: the military is looking into this as a possibility apparently 305 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: for especially for places that are particularly warm, like the 306 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: Middle East or um, you know, places closer to the 307 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 1: equator than say, I don't know, Greenland, UM or maybe Atlanta, 308 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: Georgia on a summer's day exactly. But if it effectively 309 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: creates sort of you would spray it on the ground 310 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 1: and it would effectively create a icy situation. So this 311 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:01,880 Speaker 1: this plastic would make bull slip and fall as though 312 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:06,400 Speaker 1: they were on ice. Um. Now, if you're if you're 313 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: thinking Keystone cops sort of things, So you're chasing somebody 314 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,360 Speaker 1: and they've set up a trap ahead of them, so 315 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: that the polymer is on the ground now, so they're 316 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: starting to fall, and then of course the people who 317 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,439 Speaker 1: are chasing them also begin to slip and fall, so 318 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,640 Speaker 1: everybody is writhing around in the ground because they can't 319 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: get up. It's like a bunch of turtles on their backs. Yeah. Um, 320 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: they have been working on a counter agent for this 321 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: that they could use the shoes. They could use it 322 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: on the shoes and tires of vehicle vehicles that are, 323 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 1: you know, running after them. Still a really advanced version 324 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 1: of my automatic banana peel tosser. But yeah, the the 325 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: whole you know, making people fall down thing that where 326 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: you were just talking about that a moment ago with 327 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: using the high powered air, I thought, oh, slipping it 328 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: and falling down, that sounds like the if you could 329 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: use the two together, so you could really have people 330 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: on their backs. So this is the reason why I 331 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 1: really wanted to do this, uh, this topic, because the 332 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: more we talk about the more it sounds like we're 333 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: entering a world where Acme products from Warner Brothers cartoons 334 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 1: are a reality. Well, people still like talking about that 335 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: that effort that the US military made to weaponize bats, Well, 336 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: there's also the whole weaponized dolphins things. Yes, yes, and 337 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: that those those things are actually well we're actually real. 338 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: So hey, yeah, there's some some of these are really 339 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: cool and some of them are sillier than not. You 340 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: take advantages anyway you can get them, and not everything 341 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 1: pans out, all right, So let's move on to electricity. 342 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: So there's plenty of that. Yeah, you know, you have 343 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: your typical stun guns, which a basic stun gun is 344 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: a device that has a couple of electrode prongs that 345 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 1: when you when you activate it, electricity passes between the 346 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,919 Speaker 1: two prongs. So if you were to put that in 347 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: contact with a human you could shock them and generally 348 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 1: it's a strong enough electric shock to make their muscles 349 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: seize up. It causes pain, and it also makes people 350 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,719 Speaker 1: fall over if the if the shocks enough for their 351 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 1: muscles t to seize up like that, they lose control 352 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: of their muscle um, their muscle movements and they fall over. 353 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:24,719 Speaker 1: Um yeah, it's you can't you can't stop that, you know, 354 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: because our muscles do work on electrochemical signals, so if 355 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 1: you use electricity to override those signals, then suddenly they 356 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: just start contracting like crazy, and you can't really do anything. Um. 357 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: As someone who has actually felt the sting of an 358 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: underpowered stunt gun, I can tell you it is not 359 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: a pleasant experience. It felt like it felt like a 360 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: really intense beasting because the one that was I was 361 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,439 Speaker 1: gonna say, used on me, but really I used it 362 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 1: on myself. Uh. I was an idiot kid. I don't 363 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 1: want to know. It was not the first one to 364 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 1: do it either. I watched until several other people went 365 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: owl that that hurts. The next one's like, hey give 366 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: me that owl, Well, that does hurt, and next person, hey, 367 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: give me that al and then king round to me, 368 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, give me that. But the battery 369 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 1: had really run down, so it wasn't a very powerful 370 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 1: stun gun. And really the reaction we all had was 371 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 1: if you hit an attacker with that particular stun gun 372 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: because the battery been worn down so much, you really 373 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: would have just irritated them. Because again, it wasn't enough 374 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: to make all your muscles contract. It made you made, 375 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: made whatever muscle it was in contact with twitch like crazy, 376 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 1: and it stunned, but it wasn't enough to really be 377 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 1: a deterrent, well, a real stun gun with a fully 378 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 1: charged battery is serious business that can make you fall 379 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,439 Speaker 1: over and it can be a while before you can 380 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: get back up again. And perhaps the most I would argue, 381 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 1: the most famous name in this sort of technology, although 382 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: it's not just a stun gun, is Taser, and a 383 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: typic called taser is a device that ejects a pair 384 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: of electrodes, fires them at a target. UH. The electrodes 385 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: trail a wire that connects back to the handheld device, 386 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,880 Speaker 1: and then once it comes into contact with the target, 387 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: electricity flows through the wires into those electrodes and shocks 388 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: the target and again creates a shock strong enough to 389 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: make all those muscles contract and the person generally winces, 390 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: says something along the lines of owl and falls over UM. 391 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: And the intention is to do this in a non 392 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 1: lethal way. Now, there have been deaths associated with the 393 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 1: use of tasers. In some cases it was because of 394 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: the way the target or the person will say person 395 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: target is just the generic term, but the person fell, 396 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 1: and then the fall was partially what killed the person. 397 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,120 Speaker 1: In some cases, it might be that the person had 398 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: a pacemaker or some other medical device that got UH 399 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 1: that malfunction due to the electric shock. Sometimes it has 400 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 1: to do with drugs that are in the person's system. Anyway, 401 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: even though it's meant to be non lethal, not every 402 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,880 Speaker 1: single instance is non lethal. So these are and that's 403 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: pretty much true of all those things we're talking about 404 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 1: that have these really serious consequences, is that they could 405 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: potentially kill somebody. Well that that basic taser you can 406 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 1: fire that at someone who's maybe twenty ft away. But 407 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 1: Taser came up with something pretty interesting that I saw. 408 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: I think back in two thousand nine at C E. S. Right, 409 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,439 Speaker 1: I believe you're talking about an article you wrote on 410 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: how Stuff Works dot com. Yeah, the Taser shotgun. Yes, yeah, Well, 411 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,719 Speaker 1: actually isn't the shotgun itself. It's the shotgun shot But 412 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: you do you do get you can have a specific 413 00:23:55,240 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 1: shotgun that is designed to only fire these Taser shotgun shells, 414 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: so they won't fire a round of shot. But these 415 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: Taser shotgun shells. Inside the the shell is a Taser device. 416 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: There are the little electronic probes that will stick into 417 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: whatever the target is. The back half of the shell 418 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: detaches and there are a bunch of there are a 419 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 1: couple of wires where it will attach to the probes. 420 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: The back half dangles down from the target and then 421 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 1: shoots electricity through those prongs. So that gives military or 422 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: police the ability of firing a taser at a much 423 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,640 Speaker 1: greater range than they could if they were just using 424 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: a handheld device. Also, the shotgun shell has little fins 425 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 1: on it that stabilize its flight. So yeah, I've seen 426 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: a regular shotgun that has shot that dispersed. Disperses as 427 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: soon as you fire. Yeah, this this is so that 428 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: it will give it a stable flight paths, so that 429 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: it'll it'll fly in the straight direction of where you're 430 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: aiming the shotgun. And if I remember the article correctly, 431 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 1: you wrote that there, if they try to remove it, 432 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,919 Speaker 1: then they get shocked. Yeah. The the wires that have 433 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: the electricity running through them are not shielded, so I 434 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: need to remove this. Yeah, then you grab it and 435 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: then you get shocked again, and it does send pulses 436 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: of electricity through and I think it's like twenty seconds 437 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: of a pretty serious shock so that it'll mobilize the person. Um. Yeah, 438 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 1: and they were showing every time I see taser at 439 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: c s, they are they tend to be showing off 440 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: their technology by bringing in volunteers, and I cannot imagine 441 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: ever being a volunteer for that. I took a pepper 442 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: spray certification course. Did you actually have to get hit 443 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: by the pepper spray to be actually certified? Yes? And 444 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,679 Speaker 1: everyone I elected not to. I watched everyone else do it, 445 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: and I was very glad that I had not elected 446 00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: not to. Yeah, everyone I've seen. I mean, I've known 447 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: a lot of people who have gone into the military, 448 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 1: into or into the police force, or even into uh 449 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: to firefighter courses where part of it is that they 450 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 1: have to be exposed to this stuff so that they 451 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: understand what the consequences are and they know what the 452 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: effect is. Well, in every case it has been a 453 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 1: horror story to hear about their experiences. Well, yeah, that's 454 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: the uh, that's the thing. One of the reasons that 455 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 1: pepper spray is more effective than a lot of chemical weapons, 456 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: from what I understand, is that, um, uh, no matter 457 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: what you might be uh taking, if you're on some 458 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: kind of drug that might otherwise, um, you know, make 459 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: you feel less pain. Um, the pepper spray will still 460 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: make everything swell up uh involuntarily. UM. So you might 461 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,400 Speaker 1: you might not notice the pain, but the swelling will 462 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: still impede you. Yeah, and that was one of the 463 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: reasons that that they have to do that. It was 464 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:03,679 Speaker 1: because actually goes back to your shocking yourself story, is 465 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: to keep people from going, hey, Bill, look at that. 466 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 1: You know, uh, you don't want to do that on 467 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,640 Speaker 1: on just just for kicks. It's not something that that's 468 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: serious business. But well, yeah, I have one other electricity one. Okay, cool, 469 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: and then I can actually add a couple of things 470 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: that are similar groovy. Uh. The last one I wanted 471 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: to talk about is still a taser one is the 472 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: Taser shock Wave. I don't know much about this one. 473 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: This was another one that I saw on display the 474 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 1: same time as the shotgun. Now. Shock Wave is essentially, 475 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:41,439 Speaker 1: it's a bank of tasers. Take six regular taser guns 476 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: together in a twenty degree arc h and put them 477 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: on a tripod and then you set it out in 478 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: front of you, and that way, when the rampaging horde 479 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,880 Speaker 1: of zombies comes at you, you can fire off if 480 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,719 Speaker 1: you wanted to, you can fire off all six at 481 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 1: the same time, hitting those those people as they come 482 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 1: at you. You can also stack them. Are zombies affected 483 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: by electricity, Well, they their muscles would have to be right. 484 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: You would think there would be a galvanic response. But yeah, 485 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: clearly there's a galvanic response. I mean, come on, Frankenstein alone, 486 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 1: all right. Anyway, we'll have this discussion offline. But you 487 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 1: can stack these taser shock waves, so you can have 488 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: three or four of them stacked on top of each other, 489 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 1: which means now you've got four or three or four 490 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 1: times that, So eighteen or twenty four stun guns at 491 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: your taser stun guns at your disposal. This is terrifying 492 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 1: to look at in person. I mean, you look at 493 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 1: this thing and you just think of the You realize 494 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: that this is for very serious problems like an uprising 495 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: or a riot or something where there are there's a 496 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: demonstrable danger to people in property, Like I think about 497 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: the riots that happened in London and in the summer 498 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: of ah. This is the sort of thing where you 499 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: could a man gin uh something like this deployed where 500 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 1: it's you know, you wouldn't think of this as a 501 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 1: h the first option, but it's definitely one of those 502 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: things that you know could be in an arsenal for 503 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 1: trying to do crowd control or prevent a mob or 504 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: a riot from attacking a particular target. Anyway, it basically 505 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 1: functions the same way as a taser stun gun. It's 506 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 1: just that you have uh, put a whole bunch of 507 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 1: them together in series and uh actually I guess technically 508 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: they're all in parallel and you can stack them and 509 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: and so it's like instead of having to have a 510 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: whole bunch on hand where as soon as you because 511 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: as soon as you fire a taser, you can't just 512 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 1: immediately redeploy it. You know, First of all, you have 513 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: you would have to reel in the electrodes again, You'd 514 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: have to have a new uh cartridge of propellant in 515 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: order to shoot those electrodes again. You would also have 516 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: to have a charged up battery to to deliver the shock. 517 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: So this is what gives you that capacity without having 518 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 1: to have a whole bunch in a box behind you. Yeah, 519 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: that would that would be another advantage of having the 520 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: taser shotgun shell as you can reload very quickly and 521 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: and yeah, that's absolutely terrifying. Really anyway, what was your 522 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 1: next category? Let me see, before I I was gonna 523 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: go onto one of my favorite types of technology of 524 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: all time, lasers Okay, well before before we do that, 525 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: since we were talking about the taser shotgun shell a 526 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: moment ago. Um. The Department of Defense also has uh 527 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: weapons that it uses in shotguns, UM, such as stingball shells. Um. Wow, 528 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 1: sting stingballs are essentially I mean, they're shot, but they're rubber, 529 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: so it's almost like the bean bag guns too. Yeah. UM. 530 00:30:58,080 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: This is why I think that some people use less 531 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: than ethal because I imagine that a rubber pellet, well, 532 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: judging by the effects of hockey pucks on unprotected hockey 533 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: players when they get hit with them or even protected ones, 534 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: you know, and that's a frozen piece of rubber. So 535 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: you know, I'm thinking that if it were coming at 536 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: you fast enough, it could do significant damage. But they 537 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 1: used they use sting balls in another and several other 538 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: types of weapons like the there's a stingball grenade that 539 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: launches the little rubber pellets and a modular crowd control 540 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: munition which is about the size of a Claymore mine 541 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: and send six hundred, six hundred rubber balls out at 542 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 1: high speed quote unquote to suppress targets. And I'm pretty 543 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: sure if an explosion of six hundred little rubber balls 544 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 1: we're happening right next to me, that I would probably 545 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 1: be suppressed. Yeah, here's the thing is that when we 546 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: talk about things like these, these devices that shoot out 547 00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: uh projectiles at high speeds, clearly there's already an added 548 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 1: danger there because you've got something that's causing the stuff 549 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: to fly out at those those velocities right right, So 550 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: you have some sort of propellant or explosive that is 551 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: giving these things the kinetic energy they need to suppress crowds. Clearly, 552 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: I would imagine if you are right there next to 553 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 1: whatever it is when it goes off, you could suffer 554 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: a really severe injury if not, if not death. Well, 555 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: you know they used the flash band grenades. Uh, they use, 556 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: you know, these explosive devices to propel these out, And 557 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: if you're standing right next to it, if the the 558 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 1: charge is loud enough, I'm sure it could damage you're hearing. 559 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 1: I mean thinking back to uh Keith Moon's famous appearance 560 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: with the who Um on The Mother's Brother's Show where 561 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: he put a uh basically just an off the shelf 562 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 1: um explosive inside his bass drum, and yeah, and Pete 563 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 1: Townsend's hearing is was damaged. Permanently by that. Yeah. Tellnon 564 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: had some some some interesting things to say about that, 565 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: although not immediately after the explosion because he couldn't hear anything. Yeah. Um, 566 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 1: so so that's certainly an issue. I've played paintball too, 567 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: have you ever? Um, one of the first things that 568 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: I know, and and those use the paintball guns use 569 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: compressed uh carbon dioxide capsules UM to fire the paintballs out. 570 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: Now actually they use UM similar things in law enforcement. 571 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 1: In the military. They have capsas and capsules basically pepper 572 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,239 Speaker 1: spray in paintball form, if you will, UM, And they 573 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: have guns that that fire those. But um, you know, 574 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 1: I was the first, very first game I played. I've 575 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 1: never played before. Of course, you're wearing goggles. Okay, so 576 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 1: if you have a stingball grenade and you are in 577 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 1: a crowd and you don't have goggles on, then your 578 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: eyes are obviously in danger. But that this is one 579 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 1: of those things where you you you put the goggles 580 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: on and you you're ready to go, and everybody's set 581 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 1: up on your teams, and they blow the whistle to 582 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: start the paintball game, and the paintball you start to 583 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 1: hear the sounds of the paintballs behind you and your 584 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 1: several hundred feet away from the people who are firing them, 585 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 1: and you're starting to go, you know what, this is 586 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 1: gonna hurt when I get shot, And as it turns out, 587 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,759 Speaker 1: it does. So I mean these these weapons, I mean 588 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,799 Speaker 1: talking about rubber balls and some of these other things 589 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 1: that these projectiles, even though they are designed to be 590 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 1: non lethal, can cause damage. Uh. You know if you 591 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: if you get hit with them in the right spot, 592 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,359 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it might be you might get 593 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 1: one in the arm from a thousand feet away. Ol. Okay, 594 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 1: so you went out, but if you were standing right 595 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 1: next to it, it it could cause a lot more damage. 596 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 1: If you're near it and you got it in the rib, 597 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: you can have a broken rib or at least a 598 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:47,359 Speaker 1: bruised rib. Well, they cause wealths, those paintballs. Moving on 599 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 1: to lasers, one of the most basic forms of using 600 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 1: a laser as a non lethal weapon is you don't 601 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,399 Speaker 1: you don't have a high powered laser, use a low 602 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 1: powered laser to direct light at optics or sensors or 603 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: people's vision, and you're just trying to blind them. Now, 604 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: these are called dazzlers or personal halting and stimulation response 605 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 1: weapons acronym is PHASER. I know it's not mine. I 606 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,839 Speaker 1: didn't make it up. Yeah. The Department of Defense has 607 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:27,239 Speaker 1: what it calls the Green Laser Interdiction System. Yeah, that's exactly. Yeah, 608 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 1: that's another way of putting it. Yeah, and they mount 609 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:34,839 Speaker 1: those on rifles to uh to dazzle their opponents. Well, 610 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,720 Speaker 1: I mean you think about it. There have been stories 611 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 1: in the media about people who are using off the 612 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 1: shelf laser pointers and pointing them at aircraft to be funny, 613 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:47,360 Speaker 1: to blind the pilots. Yeah. The in this case, these 614 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: lasers are are they're low powered in the sense that 615 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: they're not they're not powered high enough to do physical 616 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,879 Speaker 1: damage against something. They're not going to do any sort 617 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,840 Speaker 1: of vaporization or ablation or anything like that, right, but 618 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,360 Speaker 1: they will they will cut straight through things like fog 619 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 1: and um and they are very very bright, and they're 620 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 1: bright enough to actually blind you temporarily if you were 621 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,839 Speaker 1: to look into it. And it also again is used 622 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:19,239 Speaker 1: to to uh confuse sensors and optics so that, let's 623 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 1: say that you've got a coordinated attack on a target, 624 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 1: this way you can, um, you can minimize their defenses 625 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 1: as much as you can when you're attack is approaching. Um. Actually, 626 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,799 Speaker 1: if you think about it, you um, well, they also 627 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 1: have a device called ocular interruption, which is sort of 628 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 1: a broader effect. Um. You know, they could use it 629 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:45,399 Speaker 1: to uh to warn and suppress uh people who are 630 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,440 Speaker 1: you know, the enemy or the the opponents of the military, 631 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,759 Speaker 1: law enforcement trying to stop people. But it uh, it's 632 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,880 Speaker 1: a it's rather than shining a pinpoint type laser directly 633 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 1: at somebody, it's more of a very very bright light 634 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 1: distributed um. And you think about you get some smoke 635 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: grenades and uh, some some lasers and very bright lights, 636 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 1: and you either have a very effective way to confuse 637 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 1: people or a rock concert, a Pink Floyd concert. Well, 638 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,719 Speaker 1: and looking at pictures of this, it's very it's very 639 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 1: reminiscent of the kinds of effects that you would see 640 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,879 Speaker 1: at a at a rock concert. All in all, there's 641 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 1: just another brick in the wall. Okay, So moving on 642 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 1: with more laser stuff. How have you heard about laser 643 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 1: induced plasma channels l i PC? All right, so this 644 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 1: is kind of an interesting idea. So you know what 645 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 1: a plasma is, It's an ionized gas plasma. No plasma 646 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 1: all right, let's come on really the big guys. So, 647 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 1: plasma is an ionized gas, which means that it has 648 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: free electrons flowing through this gas. It means that the 649 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:57,279 Speaker 1: gas itself can conduct electricity. So imagine that you use 650 00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 1: a laser to create a channel of plasm month So 651 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 1: in other words, you've got this area of of atmosphere 652 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,239 Speaker 1: and then you create a channel of plasma within a 653 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 1: pretty narrow channel, and then you fire electricity down that channel. 654 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 1: It'll go across that channel as if it were a wire, 655 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 1: so you could beam electricity in a way. Now, these 656 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,319 Speaker 1: things require a lot of power and they don't have 657 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 1: a lot of distance to them. So instead of being 658 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,120 Speaker 1: used as a weapon where you would direct it at 659 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 1: an approaching enemy, you use it as a way of 660 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:37,399 Speaker 1: barricading a hallway or a corridor. So you create these 661 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 1: lasers that go up and down, say a wall, so 662 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,560 Speaker 1: they're they're aligned horizontally, like you could do them vertically 663 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 1: too if you wanted to, but horizontally across um a hallway. 664 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 1: You shoot this laser across the hallway, which creates this 665 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:56,360 Speaker 1: thin channel of plasma that spans the hallway. Then you 666 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 1: shoot electricity along that channel. And now you've got these 667 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 1: zapping beams of electricity spanning the hallway, which act as 668 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,120 Speaker 1: a pretty strong deterrent against anyone who has trying to 669 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,879 Speaker 1: make unauthorized access to that corridor. I don't know, I've 670 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,799 Speaker 1: seen all those spy movies. All you have to do is, 671 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,360 Speaker 1: you know, do cartwheels and stuff over the lasers. Electricity 672 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 1: works a little differently than lasers do. But yeah, go 673 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:23,239 Speaker 1: ahead and give that a shot. Um. Yeah, Actually that's reminiscent, 674 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,600 Speaker 1: you know, jokes aside, that's reminiscent of the Plasma Cutter 675 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,440 Speaker 1: podcast that we did sometime ago. Yeah, it's not not 676 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:34,920 Speaker 1: entirely different. Now, most effects and this is intended again 677 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 1: to be a non lethal a way of of stopping 678 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:45,239 Speaker 1: people from accessing uh hallways and corridors. Uh, it's it's 679 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,480 Speaker 1: not you know, it's not the most efficient means of 680 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,719 Speaker 1: trying to keep people out because it does require quite 681 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,759 Speaker 1: a bit of power to operate. Um. And then I 682 00:39:54,880 --> 00:40:00,759 Speaker 1: have the pulsed Energy projectile or PEP. Now, this is 683 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,800 Speaker 1: one of the versions of the pain ray, And in fact, 684 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,759 Speaker 1: we were specifically asked about the pain right now. It's 685 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,400 Speaker 1: a shame about this reminds me of that time you 686 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,840 Speaker 1: tried to draw a hole in your head. Uh, the 687 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:18,920 Speaker 1: actually was egne the But this, this particular weapon is 688 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,400 Speaker 1: different from the other one we'll talk about, which uses microwaves. 689 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,359 Speaker 1: We move onto that in a little bit. This one 690 00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:30,320 Speaker 1: uses a laser and again creates plasma. So the pulsed 691 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,520 Speaker 1: energy projectile what it does. It uses a deuterium fluoride 692 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,719 Speaker 1: laser that emits a very high powered invisible laser. It's 693 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:43,720 Speaker 1: in the infrared spectrum that when it hits something, it 694 00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,719 Speaker 1: essentially starts to vaporize what it hits, just on the 695 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,799 Speaker 1: very surface level. So if it hit you, it would 696 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:55,919 Speaker 1: start to vaporize you, but not like disintegrating. It would 697 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:57,879 Speaker 1: just be on the very surface, so like the top 698 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,440 Speaker 1: level of skin or whatever. But then it creates an 699 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:06,000 Speaker 1: exploding plasma. The electrons that the gas will give off 700 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:10,239 Speaker 1: start to get even more energized as this laser pulses, 701 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,839 Speaker 1: and that energy creates this exploding plasma, and that in 702 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,799 Speaker 1: turn will stun a target and it gives off this 703 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:22,000 Speaker 1: electromagnetic radiation that activates your nerve cells, which can give 704 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,880 Speaker 1: you the sense of pain. And that pain could be 705 00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,880 Speaker 1: in many different forms. It could be depending upon the 706 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,439 Speaker 1: the pulse. It could be a stabbing pain, it could 707 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:35,560 Speaker 1: feel like burning, it could feel like ice um. And 708 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:41,160 Speaker 1: then there's also a lethal version of this technology called 709 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:46,960 Speaker 1: the pulse impulsive kill Laser, which has the best acronym 710 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:51,840 Speaker 1: of all time pickle M p I k L the 711 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,440 Speaker 1: deadly pickle. So when you fire, fire that you oppressed 712 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,640 Speaker 1: the pickle. Switch. That's right, yes, give him the pickle. 713 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:03,600 Speaker 1: So this was developed by a company called Mission Research Corporation, 714 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,239 Speaker 1: which is now part of Alliance Tech Systems. And there's 715 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,680 Speaker 1: some downsides to this weapon. Uh. One of the biggest 716 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,279 Speaker 1: is that it's huge. This is an enormous weapon that 717 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:18,279 Speaker 1: requires essentially a vehicle to move it around, So it's 718 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,560 Speaker 1: a mounted weapon at the time right now, weighs around 719 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,719 Speaker 1: like five pounds, So it's not something that could be 720 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:30,800 Speaker 1: deployed in a uh like for your average infantry soldier. 721 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,160 Speaker 1: You know that there's just there's no way of of 722 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:40,480 Speaker 1: miniaturizing it down at the moment. So it's effective, uh, 723 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,400 Speaker 1: and it is you know, supposed to again supposed to 724 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,680 Speaker 1: be non lethal. It essentially stunts the target and makes 725 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:51,440 Speaker 1: them hurt, but it doesn't kill them or or specifically 726 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:55,000 Speaker 1: actually injure them. It's just again activating their their nerve endings, 727 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,960 Speaker 1: so there's no physical damage going on. It's just stimulating 728 00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,879 Speaker 1: those nerve endings to create pain, which in a way 729 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:06,080 Speaker 1: is like absolutely terrifying, right, you know, it's there's no 730 00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:11,520 Speaker 1: physical damage being done, but still really scary, but not 731 00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:16,840 Speaker 1: widely deployed, right right. Yeah, the The They've been talking 732 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,040 Speaker 1: about these weapons for quite some time, years and years 733 00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,319 Speaker 1: at this point, and uh, the the one that we 734 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,880 Speaker 1: really should talk about has uh well, it has its 735 00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:31,960 Speaker 1: own set of drawbacks, but it does use microwaves, um 736 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:36,360 Speaker 1: and uh let's see where where to begin with. I 737 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,000 Speaker 1: guess we can call it the the There are two 738 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,440 Speaker 1: different versions of it that I read about, the Active 739 00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,680 Speaker 1: Denial System. Yeah, that's the one I've read about me. Well, 740 00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,399 Speaker 1: there's also one called the Silent Guardian, which is kind 741 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,960 Speaker 1: of a little brother to h a d S SO. 742 00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,640 Speaker 1: A d S has a range of around five and 743 00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:57,440 Speaker 1: Silent Guardian has a range of around two d SO, 744 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,080 Speaker 1: but they both work on the same principle. They with 745 00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:06,400 Speaker 1: use microwaves to create a pain ray and it gives 746 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:10,480 Speaker 1: you the sensation of burning when you're hit by it. 747 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:14,200 Speaker 1: You feel like you are are, like your skin is 748 00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:19,200 Speaker 1: being subjected to incredibly high temperatures. I watched a CBS 749 00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:24,759 Speaker 1: report on this, and the reporter actually withstood several blasts 750 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,239 Speaker 1: of this and explained what it felt like. He said 751 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,399 Speaker 1: that it felt like scalding water was being poured over 752 00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,400 Speaker 1: his entire body, and he was wearing, you know, it 753 00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,360 Speaker 1: was actually a cool day. He's wearing a pretty heavy jacket. 754 00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,200 Speaker 1: And he says that the microwaves just penetrate straight through 755 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,279 Speaker 1: the clothing, so the clothing offered no protection whatsoever. It 756 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,799 Speaker 1: didn't matter if his skin where was exposed or not. Uh. 757 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,399 Speaker 1: He then held up a piece of plywood to use 758 00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,040 Speaker 1: as a shield, and he said the problem was that 759 00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,520 Speaker 1: using that still kept a lot of his body unprotected. 760 00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,960 Speaker 1: And um, just hitting his feet and his hands was 761 00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,840 Speaker 1: enough to make him dodge all the way of the 762 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,839 Speaker 1: the pain ray. Yeah. Now he used a mattress, which 763 00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,120 Speaker 1: helped a little bit becauseid even then he could only 764 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,680 Speaker 1: get so far before it got so painful that he 765 00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:13,719 Speaker 1: couldn't stand it anymore. And uh, and this is, you know, 766 00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,880 Speaker 1: again a pretty scary technology. It uses a microwave that 767 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:23,200 Speaker 1: around nine giga hurts of frequency and at that frequency. UH, 768 00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:27,279 Speaker 1: the the penetration of the microwave is only about one 769 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,480 Speaker 1: sixty four of an inch, So it's designed so it 770 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:34,280 Speaker 1: will not cook you from the inside out. Yeah, microwave 771 00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,560 Speaker 1: oven goes much deeper than that. It can go several 772 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:41,719 Speaker 1: centimeters into whatever it is that it is being exposed 773 00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:45,880 Speaker 1: to it. UM. And this, UH, this device is is 774 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:50,560 Speaker 1: really UM. I read that. UM. They had the military 775 00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:55,200 Speaker 1: had invited several people to UH the Marine Corps Basic Quantico, 776 00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:59,040 Speaker 1: Virginia to experience this because basically they've been trying to 777 00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,040 Speaker 1: drum up support for this. This device has been around 778 00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:05,960 Speaker 1: for literally like fifteen twenty years now. UM. And then again, 779 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,760 Speaker 1: this is one of the devices that has been pursued 780 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,640 Speaker 1: very actively by the military and an attempt to come 781 00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:13,400 Speaker 1: up with something that is less than lethal in a 782 00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,040 Speaker 1: way to discourage people. And yes it does work. UM. 783 00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,200 Speaker 1: The reason they're having to drum up support for it, 784 00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:23,320 Speaker 1: UH is for one thing, it's known that it uses microwaves. UM. 785 00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:27,759 Speaker 1: They deployed the military deployed several of these UH pain 786 00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:32,000 Speaker 1: rays to UM the Middle East to use in theaters 787 00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,839 Speaker 1: over there in the last few years. And they never 788 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,520 Speaker 1: really used them because they were afraid that people would 789 00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,919 Speaker 1: start talking about how the military we're using microwaves, uh, 790 00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,040 Speaker 1: and they you know, oh, well, you're going to cook us, 791 00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,440 Speaker 1: or you're going to make a sterile, you're going to 792 00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:53,000 Speaker 1: irradiate us, you're going to publicity, which is if you're 793 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,480 Speaker 1: trying to say, look, you know, we don't want uh 794 00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:01,520 Speaker 1: fighting to escalate. We just want to break this argument 795 00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,200 Speaker 1: up and stop this particular incident right here. And it's 796 00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,680 Speaker 1: it's funny because a lot of this is based on 797 00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:11,359 Speaker 1: ignorance of how microwaves work. Because microwaves are a form 798 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:15,000 Speaker 1: of non ionizing radiation, right, But a lot of people 799 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,480 Speaker 1: don't they understand that. They think of it in terms 800 00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,799 Speaker 1: of the microwave oven. We know that that can be 801 00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:24,560 Speaker 1: used to irradiate and cook well, and people think this 802 00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,960 Speaker 1: this pain ray, if it were left on someone and 803 00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,160 Speaker 1: they were unable to move, it would cause burns. You 804 00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,759 Speaker 1: know a couple of people have been put in the hospital. Yeah, 805 00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,279 Speaker 1: you would. You could. You could suffer actual burns to 806 00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,640 Speaker 1: your skin. Now you're not going to have the if 807 00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,799 Speaker 1: you were sitting there long enough, those burns would start 808 00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:46,160 Speaker 1: to burn through you. But the you wouldn't immediately suffer 809 00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,719 Speaker 1: like deep burns. You would have skin burns, which are 810 00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,799 Speaker 1: that's no joy either. But it heats your skin up 811 00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,360 Speaker 1: to about a d degrees fahrenheit, which is about fifty 812 00:47:56,360 --> 00:48:00,719 Speaker 1: four degrees celsius. And uh, and that amperature you're not 813 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,000 Speaker 1: it's it's it's enough for it to be painful, so 814 00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:05,839 Speaker 1: you want to get out of the way. It's not 815 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,960 Speaker 1: supposed to be so hot that it's going to immediately 816 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:13,080 Speaker 1: cause blisters to form and that kind of thing. Um, 817 00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,480 Speaker 1: but you know that's definitely there are there's a perception 818 00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:21,160 Speaker 1: that since it uses microwaves, it is more even I 819 00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,279 Speaker 1: want to say more sinister, but really, when you're talking 820 00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:27,520 Speaker 1: about inflicting pain, that's pretty sinister already. But or at 821 00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,319 Speaker 1: least it can be. It can that's what it can 822 00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:33,520 Speaker 1: be perceived as. But it's not as as it doesn't 823 00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,680 Speaker 1: cause injury the way you would immediately assume once you 824 00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,040 Speaker 1: hear a microwave, right right. Um, there's another problem with 825 00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,960 Speaker 1: it too. It takes a lot of energy and it 826 00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,520 Speaker 1: takes a long time to turn on. So you can't 827 00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,320 Speaker 1: say there's a demon demonstration that has gone out of hand. 828 00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,960 Speaker 1: There are people throwing stuff, there are people looting and 829 00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,080 Speaker 1: you want to stop them. You don't drive up in 830 00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,200 Speaker 1: the truck with the pain remounted on it. Um the 831 00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,960 Speaker 1: ones that the pictures I've seen show a Humby with 832 00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,799 Speaker 1: a giant it looks like a giant satellite dish sort 833 00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,640 Speaker 1: of thing on the top of the big, big antenna. 834 00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,760 Speaker 1: The PEP is essentially a very similar form factor. Yeah, 835 00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,160 Speaker 1: and you don't you don't, you know, drive up in 836 00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:17,320 Speaker 1: the pain rainmobile and flip the switch and cause everybody 837 00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,839 Speaker 1: to stop burning and looting. It takes a long time 838 00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:24,080 Speaker 1: to power up. I've seen hours listed as the time 839 00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:25,960 Speaker 1: it takes the power First you have to have a 840 00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:29,800 Speaker 1: comedian come out warm up the crowd. Hey, So that 841 00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:31,719 Speaker 1: once things really get cooking, that's when you turn on 842 00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:36,080 Speaker 1: the microwave. I see you're all looting, Hey, I like 843 00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:41,839 Speaker 1: to loot some shoes. You know, whenever you're looting and 844 00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,480 Speaker 1: there's just nothing to pick up and throw through the 845 00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,880 Speaker 1: window of that department store, doesn't that just make you crazy? 846 00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,080 Speaker 1: Say you got a size ten can key stator over there? 847 00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:57,520 Speaker 1: They run tight so so um, yeah, this is that 848 00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:59,480 Speaker 1: that's also a problem with it. It's not something that 849 00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,840 Speaker 1: it has to be in place and on um. And 850 00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,520 Speaker 1: in the case of having it vehicle mounted, that means 851 00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,640 Speaker 1: you have to be running the engine to keep the 852 00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,600 Speaker 1: power on or you know, a lot of battery usage, 853 00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,759 Speaker 1: and that's uh in an arrow. When fuel is a 854 00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,640 Speaker 1: lot more dear and cost um, that is a downside 855 00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:21,280 Speaker 1: that that's hard to ignore. So um, this very sophisticated, 856 00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:26,400 Speaker 1: uh non lethal weapon may just end up shelved because 857 00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:30,560 Speaker 1: it's uh uh you know it's got Yeah, Now, did 858 00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:32,520 Speaker 1: you have any others you wanted to talk about, because 859 00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,239 Speaker 1: I'm done, but you said you had a few futuristic ones. 860 00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:37,879 Speaker 1: There was one. I know we're running a little long, 861 00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,480 Speaker 1: so I just wanted to mention the one. I actually 862 00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,480 Speaker 1: saw a thing and wired about this and in the 863 00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,960 Speaker 1: magazine a few years ago, which is when when you 864 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:46,680 Speaker 1: mentioned this, I thought, oh, that would be fun. I 865 00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,719 Speaker 1: still can't find where I put that, But there was 866 00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:51,520 Speaker 1: one that I read about then that I just I 867 00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,080 Speaker 1: found a little bit on and they've still they've pursued it, 868 00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,040 Speaker 1: but it seems like it's still sort of fallen by 869 00:50:56,040 --> 00:51:00,720 Speaker 1: the wayside. And that would be the googun um and uh, 870 00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,400 Speaker 1: it's been called different things, but what it's designed to 871 00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:07,520 Speaker 1: do it's sort of like the the polymer ice, except 872 00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:12,880 Speaker 1: it's designed to immobilize a target by shooting gooey silly 873 00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:16,279 Speaker 1: string like stuff at them, uh and wire. And I 874 00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:20,280 Speaker 1: remember it saying that it used some kind of bone 875 00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,720 Speaker 1: derivative to to use this, and it's supposed to harden 876 00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,040 Speaker 1: up when you get sprayed with it. I see, So 877 00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,960 Speaker 1: it's a foam that then solidifies. Yeah, and I think, um, 878 00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,719 Speaker 1: I think now what they've been using is more of 879 00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:36,680 Speaker 1: a synthetic polymer type uh material. I've I've seen pictures 880 00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:40,680 Speaker 1: of it. Um. It looks almost like the pink slime 881 00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,560 Speaker 1: that people have been talking about about meat processing lately. 882 00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:49,400 Speaker 1: It's a sort of a gooey pink uh tube like stuff. 883 00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:53,000 Speaker 1: The problem is it doesn't harden quickly enough to stop 884 00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:57,520 Speaker 1: someone who's running, So you end up gooey, but you 885 00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:01,439 Speaker 1: don't end up hardening up like a cartoon character after 886 00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,480 Speaker 1: they've been coated in cement, which is to say, you 887 00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,200 Speaker 1: know within about half of a second. You know, every 888 00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:09,360 Speaker 1: time somebody gets poured on concrete on him in the cartoons, 889 00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:13,680 Speaker 1: you know, and instantly hardens. You know. It doesn't do that. Um, 890 00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:20,240 Speaker 1: So that's kind of disappeared from that um from that usage. 891 00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,280 Speaker 1: But I have seen that people are using net guns 892 00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,680 Speaker 1: and they've been using some kind of sticky material on 893 00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,160 Speaker 1: the net so that the net sticks to you. And 894 00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,600 Speaker 1: that seems like it might be promising, because if you 895 00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:36,120 Speaker 1: shoot somebody with the net, um then uh, you know, 896 00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,080 Speaker 1: and it has that sticky stuff and you can't think 897 00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,240 Speaker 1: of it as like fly paper. All of a sudden 898 00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,440 Speaker 1: you're tangled up in this net. You can't run anymore. Um. 899 00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:45,759 Speaker 1: It seems like that would be hard to load. You know, 900 00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,160 Speaker 1: it would be more effective against a very small number 901 00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,680 Speaker 1: of people. If you're dealing with a horde of zombies. 902 00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:52,880 Speaker 1: I don't think you're If you're by yourself, you're pretty 903 00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,879 Speaker 1: much stuck. Well, I got five of them, but three 904 00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,080 Speaker 1: hundred more are coming at me. I think I'm in trouble. 905 00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:00,640 Speaker 1: Close up them all. Well. I found I found the 906 00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:02,520 Speaker 1: article I think that you were talking about on Wired. 907 00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:06,120 Speaker 1: It's called Army Reloads on Sticky Foam Weaponry. Yeah, that 908 00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,680 Speaker 1: that is one of the newer articles they This was 909 00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:10,560 Speaker 1: one of those. It was a feature on a series 910 00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:12,200 Speaker 1: of things and it had the pain ray. It was 911 00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,120 Speaker 1: it was literally like a series of a couple of 912 00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,840 Speaker 1: paragraphs each um in the print magazine. But yes, that 913 00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,239 Speaker 1: is that is when I consulted now, and it's the 914 00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,200 Speaker 1: picture of the guy covered in foam. It looks like 915 00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:28,360 Speaker 1: he's been attacked by a bunch of octopuses. Yes, and 916 00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,560 Speaker 1: it's thicker than silly string. It's probably a few centimeters 917 00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:34,640 Speaker 1: in diameter of the spray. It's uh, it's not an 918 00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:38,239 Speaker 1: attractive look. It's not all right. Well, I think uh, 919 00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,840 Speaker 1: I think that's a great discussion about non lethal weapons 920 00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,920 Speaker 1: in general, and obviously there are tons more. Yeah, these 921 00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,120 Speaker 1: are just sort of examples of some of the ones 922 00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:50,480 Speaker 1: that have had probably the most publicity behind them, and 923 00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,720 Speaker 1: of course I'm sure there are others that we don't 924 00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:59,239 Speaker 1: even have any real inkling of because they are classified projects. 925 00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,319 Speaker 1: Even the yeah, the future non lethal weapons that they 926 00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,280 Speaker 1: list on the d O D site had a feeling 927 00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,600 Speaker 1: that those are probably not everything they're working on, I 928 00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,520 Speaker 1: would imagine, not just just have a feeling. So that 929 00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,880 Speaker 1: was a good discussion. 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