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Speaker 1: The San Antonio District judge resigns after a federal corruption probe.

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Speaker 2: A former San Antonio, Texas judge goes to federal prison

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Speaker 2: after pleading guilty to accepting bribes in exchange for rigging

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Speaker 2: cases in his court. Angus McGuinty committed the ultimate judicial sin.

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Speaker 2: Why did you do it?

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Speaker 3: I did it because I was foolish.

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Speaker 2: Listen to how to Bribe a Judge on Revolver podcast

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Speaker 4: The John Annick and Kenny Florian Podcast John Annick and

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Speaker 4: Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 5: I fucking love him.

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Speaker 2: I can't get enough of him.

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Speaker 6: Let's hear that birthfarek beers.

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Speaker 7: There are a couple of absolutely self involved bullshit artist.

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Speaker 4: Here are your hosts, John Annick and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 8: Twelve fifteen pm Eastern on The Goddamn Screws, Monday, November fifteenth,

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Speaker 8: twenty twenty one. It's episode three twenty five three and

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Speaker 8: a quarter can flow. The Anakin Flooring Podcast. I made

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Speaker 8: the mistake. I guess mistakes a good word for it

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Speaker 8: of saying God damn. Eight minutes into a UFC telecast

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Speaker 8: on ESPN, plus a few weeks ago, regrettably. You know,

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Speaker 8: I talked to my bosses about it a little bit,

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Speaker 8: and I set it right off the top of the show. Here,

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Speaker 8: what are you gonna do? I got good energy today.

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Speaker 8: Ken flows back from the mountains. He's alive, So that's good.

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Speaker 8: Good to see a kid. How you doing, man, what's

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Speaker 8: going on? Nothing? I'm looking at your PFL hat, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 8: A long yeah. Those I feel like it feels like

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Speaker 8: adulterary though. But you went to the mountains, as I

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Speaker 8: understand it, Cody tells me you went to the mountains.

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Speaker 8: I did.

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Speaker 9: I went to uh Blue Ridge Mountains up in Georgia.

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Speaker 9: It was awesome. I got a little bit of that

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Speaker 9: chill that that fall weather. Yeah, hopped in a river

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Speaker 9: that was cold as fuck. Yeah, that was fun. Everyone's

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Speaker 9: looking at me like I'm a crazy person. They're people

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Speaker 9: fly fishing. They're like, he's not getting in there, is he?

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Speaker 9: Oh he's getting Oh wow, what a weirdo.

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Speaker 8: So that was cool. Anyway, Well, anyone who who follows

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Speaker 8: you on social media knows you've done the whole ice

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Speaker 8: bath things, so h river was probably just fine. You

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Speaker 8: posted something in your Instagram story at Kenny Flory and

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Speaker 8: if you're not following, I don't understand why gas prices

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Speaker 8: in Charlotte.

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Speaker 9: Was that a joke or something? No, that was so

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Speaker 9: that wasn't in Charlotte. So someone sent that to me. Uh,

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Speaker 9: that was the price of gas in big Sir, California.

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Speaker 9: It was And I've been through there, beautiful part of

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Speaker 9: the country, by the way, But like eight fifty for gas, dudeeah,

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Speaker 9: Like it's it's getting more expensive here in Charlotte, but

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Speaker 9: it's not even close. Like that's twice the price of

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Speaker 9: what it is in Charlotte pretty much. Whatever, Just crazy, dude.

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Speaker 9: I'm all about this inflation lately. I'm very upset about it.

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Speaker 8: I remember when gas was ninety seven cents in Natick, Massachusetts,

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Speaker 8: and now it's yeah, almost five bucks a gallon. What

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Speaker 8: are you gonna do? Crazy?

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Speaker 10: Uh?

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Speaker 8: Did you watch Max Halloween? And yeah, you Rodriguez? I

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Speaker 8: mean kid me with this sport. I mean, I don't

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Speaker 8: like when you pay for a pay per view and

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Speaker 8: you get action like we saw this weekend. It's like,

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Speaker 8: all right, well, at least I paid for the pay

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Speaker 8: per view. It's like I feel guilty, Like what am

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Speaker 8: I supposed to do to these athletes. Right, three straight weeks,

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Speaker 8: the UFC has just been on fire, and as a fan,

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Speaker 8: I'm indebted, right and yeah, and I make money off

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Speaker 8: know what to do to pay my proper respects after

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Speaker 8: a fight like this, certainly in the Fight of the

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Speaker 8: Year conversation, and I, you know, as Dana White sort

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Speaker 8: of alluded to at the at the postfight press conference,

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Speaker 8: I think the stock of both guys goes.

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Speaker 9: Up brilliant matchmaking here, and I couldn't agree more. I

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Speaker 9: think that there are a lot of questions about Yahya Rodriguez.

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Speaker 9: You know, is he a guy who just has a

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Speaker 9: bunch of cool moves and you gotta have to watch

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Speaker 9: out for his tricks and if he catches in one

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Speaker 9: he doesn't have a lot of substance to back it up.

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Speaker 9: That is not the case from what I saw against

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Speaker 9: someone like Max Holloway. Again, you know, when you fight

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Speaker 9: someone like a Max Holloway, you better be prepared and

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Speaker 9: if you don't have good fundamentals, you will absolutely be

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Speaker 9: exposed and for your year he was making a couple

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Speaker 9: of mistakes here on the ground, but more than anything else,

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Speaker 9: losing to Max Holloway, it was five rounds of just

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Speaker 9: tremendous mixed martial arts. Thoroughly enjoyed it back and forth.

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Speaker 9: Holloway again proves to be one of the most consistent

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Speaker 9: performers in the UFC, win or lose. He's an absolute

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Speaker 8: To have him. Yeah heard, he is is an incredible case. Right.

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Speaker 8: Injuries obviously have been part of the narrative. I'm glad

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Speaker 8: I'm looking at a world champion. And of course Volkanovsky

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Speaker 8: against Max Holloway, who, for me, Max is still the

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Speaker 8: greatest featherweight in UFC history. I think it's a three

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Speaker 8: But yeah, yere in defeat really makes the case here

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Speaker 8: him fight Jose Aldo. Actually, I know Aldo has Rob

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Speaker 9: Was gonna say, you know, every time I see ya

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Speaker 8: Talked about the matchmaking. They put this fight together at

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Speaker 8: mean that's the messaging that I think needed to be there.

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Speaker 8: So possibilities are endless for Rodriguez when healthy. But for

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Speaker 8: it's going to be the trilogy fight with Alexander Volkanovsky.

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Speaker 8: And you know, we talk about emotions being on fights,

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Speaker 8: and I feel like the Gilbert Burns fight was a

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Speaker 8: harder navigation for kamara Ousman than the Kolby Covington series, right,

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Speaker 8: I think because this is the third meeting, because of

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Speaker 8: different emotions on this Volkanovsky fight. For Max Holloway, you

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Speaker 8: You just can't do it, you know, even if the

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Speaker 9: Is what you want if you're Max Holloway. But at

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Speaker 9: the same time, and now you don't want this mentality

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Speaker 9: regards to, you know, refreshing his career. Does he go

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Speaker 9: I mean, there's the Connor McGregor fight looming, and all

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Speaker 9: the other stuff, So he's not in a horrible spot.

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Speaker 8: But as far as being a champion again now one

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Speaker 9: And yes, I thought he won that rematch against Volkanovsky,

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Speaker 9: I think we would have another banger of a championship

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Speaker 8: Down and when it goes down. Yeah, I think both

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Speaker 8: Thank you? Here's a C note. You know. I don't

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Speaker 8: good luck picking fight of the year? Man.

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Speaker 9: I mean again, this this division at one hundred and

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Speaker 9: you know, with Holloway and Volkanovsky and or Tagan. I mean,

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Speaker 9: this division has established itself as the number one or

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Speaker 9: number two division in the UFC. In my opinion, I

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Speaker 9: think they're just loaded with killers. Yeah, and what a

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Speaker 8: Probably go Chandler gaetchee. So when you're picking up your

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Speaker 8: So I'm probably gonna have my pay per view guys,

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Speaker 8: tease the more, John, you can't do? What do I

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Speaker 8: help Cody Chase sound down?

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Speaker 8: Alright? Alright, so well, congratulations to Max Holloway and Yaya Rodriguez.

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Speaker 8: Uh back to back weekends. It feels like potential Hall

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Speaker 8: the heels of UFC two sixty seven and Glover to

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Speaker 8: share a winning a world title and uh Piodrian doing

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Speaker 8: what he did and uh one Kamzat Chimaya? What are

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Speaker 8: time where we have to to be critical. You know.

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Speaker 8: They well do Referee of the Year. Maybe we'll do

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Speaker 8: referee rankings at the end of two thousand oh I

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Speaker 8: like it would be fun. Huh, let's do it. That

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Speaker 8: would be fun. Leon Roberts incidentally, has not refereed since

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Speaker 8: UFC two fifty one two fifty one, per Tapology hat

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Speaker 8: tip to our executive producer Cody Merrill. All Right, one

435
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Speaker 8: segment that has been part of this show since episode

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Speaker 8: one in April twenty fifteen is the Ray Longo Minute.

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Speaker 8: So why don't we get to Ray.

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Speaker 4: It's now time for the Ray Longo Minutes.

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Speaker 3: I'll get a point a hole in this fucking subst

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Speaker 3: That's what I want.

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Speaker 4: Is the Ray Longo minute.

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Speaker 5: Story Ray long.

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Speaker 4: The John Nick and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 8: Podcast Venom Gear for r p L on a Monday.

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Speaker 4: Where are we?

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Speaker 5: Where are we?

447
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Speaker 8: Setting yourself up? Hants?

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Speaker 5: What happened this morning?

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Speaker 8: All right, so this one's on me. I want to

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Speaker 8: see if we can center your face up if possible.

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Speaker 8: All right, So are you at the gym?

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Speaker 3: Are you at the gym? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I just got to the gym.

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Speaker 8: Okay. So I apologize for my my lack of communication. Uh,

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Speaker 8: in terms of what time you were going to be

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Speaker 8: coming on the program today. I did. I did try

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Speaker 8: to communicate to the masses that since we have added

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Speaker 8: the great James James Kraus to the program that we

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Speaker 8: would sort of be bleed in the show back a

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Speaker 8: little bit. But you thought we were eleven am on

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Speaker 8: the screws or something today because of my failed communication,

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Speaker 8: and you paid you did it again.

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Speaker 5: This is incredible to me. Incredible. Remember one thing, remember

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Speaker 5: the five peace John. Proper preparation prevents forms.

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Speaker 8: I know, I know I needed to consult with Cody

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Speaker 8: about our long ago communication, but I think I take

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Speaker 8: you for granted, whereas I go out of my way

468
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Speaker 8: to make sure that you know, with James Krause, were

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Speaker 8: on the screws, where my Longo be there?

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Speaker 5: You know?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 8: No, not at all. I told you that we were

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Speaker 8: moving the showtime back. He's on Central Time. He has

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Speaker 8: pro practice until eleven thirty am Central. I don't know

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Speaker 8: what to tell you.

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Speaker 9: I'm you see what I'm wearing today, By the way,

477
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Speaker 9: this is my public appot.

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Speaker 8: You see the screws right, Ray Longo minute T shirts

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Speaker 8: and com a bunch of fucking shills. So to what

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Speaker 8: extent did we inconvenience you today? Right? Did you were home?

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Speaker 8: And then? I mean, because it's we did communicate about

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Speaker 8: we were trying not to wake you either. Right, there's

483
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Speaker 8: a lot of hurdles here to navigate you at eight

484
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Speaker 8: twenty am when I'm okay texting everybody else.

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Speaker 5: We're all good. We're all good.

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Speaker 8: So anything event will happen in uh in in your

487
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Speaker 8: weekend as far as mixed martial arts is concerned.

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Speaker 5: But I got a little surprised for you. I'm coming

489
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Speaker 5: down to Miami this week.

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Speaker 8: How about that?

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Speaker 5: For what I want? I'm gonna visit Tony Ricci.

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Speaker 8: You're visiting Tony Ricci, who is an outstanding strength and

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Speaker 8: conditioning mind. So where Tony lives in Miami?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 8: Is that right?

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Speaker 5: He's in Fort Lauderdale.

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Speaker 8: He's in Fort Lauderoe. That's even closer to me, you know, yeah, yep, yep.

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Speaker 5: Well, if i'm popping over, I'll look your address up.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna surprise. I'm just gonna show up.

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Speaker 8: That's fine, that's fine. You know, be careful you walk

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Speaker 8: into the garage. My smell little funky. We got a

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Speaker 8: lot of children here too, careful.

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Speaker 3: So, uh.

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Speaker 8: I have not articulated myself particularly well on the program today,

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Speaker 8: but I guess my overall takeaway from Max Holloway and yeah,

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Speaker 8: you're Rodriguez is a bigger picture statement because of all

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Speaker 8: these amazing fights. Yes, I feel just like indebted to

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Speaker 8: the athletes. It's like, man, you know, to what do

509
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Speaker 8: we owe the pleasure?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 8: And there's a price to be paid obviously for wars

512
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Speaker 8: like this, but I feel like we got Hall of

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Speaker 8: Fame fights on back to back weekends.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and John, just to answer something, what I mean,

515
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Speaker 5: what a treat it is if you're one of those

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Speaker 5: people at the Apex who's watching two of these in

517
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Speaker 5: the world, how about that's like being at the gym

518
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Speaker 5: and watching two guys kill it for five five minute rounds.

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Speaker 5: I mean, what a great fight, man. I'll tell you know.

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Speaker 5: I got a text from a buddy of mine says,

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Speaker 5: does Yahia have any chance? And I said no, I

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Speaker 5: just text back knowledge that was it. But I text

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Speaker 5: back ass like away. I couldn't have been more wrong.

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Speaker 5: That kid really his boxing. That was a really technical fight. Man.

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Speaker 5: His boxing, the way he moves was absolutely beautiful and

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Speaker 5: it really saved him with the footwork. I think a

527
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Speaker 5: little different than Cada Calvin Calvin Cada, who you know,

528
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Speaker 5: is more linear. You know, this kid, he was he

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Speaker 5: was showing some beautiful angles on the defense that would

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Speaker 5: just amazing to look at. I think this guy's the limit.

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Speaker 5: That guy could get you out at any point in time.

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Speaker 5: Very very tricky fight, and you got to give it

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Speaker 5: up to Max Holloway for even taking that fight. I mean,

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Speaker 5: the only Achilles seal looks like he is still is wrestling, right,

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Speaker 5: but besides that, he tightens that up and he can

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Speaker 5: keep that fight standing. He's never out of that fight ever.

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Speaker 8: Kenny, I'm reluctant to say our sport like because why

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Speaker 8: is it my sport, right? But like for you and Ray,

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Speaker 8: it's your sport, right. But this is like the best

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Speaker 8: our sport can put forth pretty much right, and you're

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Speaker 8: getting it on ESPN Plus. Like, it's crazy to me.

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Speaker 8: This feels like a featherweight world championship. With all due

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Speaker 8: respect to Volca, who's the fucking band, you know, but like,

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Speaker 8: it's just crazy to me that this fight is happening

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Speaker 8: on a Saturday afternoon at the Ufcapex. I think, right,

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Speaker 8: you know what I mean, It's what a special night.

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Speaker 8: If you're one of those VIPs in the building for

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Speaker 8: a fight like that, it's going to be in the

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Speaker 8: Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 5: That's unbelievable to me. I'm telling you that that's one

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Speaker 5: of those things that you put on like every so often.

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Speaker 5: Back in the day, there was always those fights. There

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Speaker 5: was five hundred ticket. It was actually for like the

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Speaker 5: rich people and they're only going to be two hundred

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Speaker 5: people in attendance, and they would get good guys to fight.

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Speaker 5: But that's what it kind of reminded me of if

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Speaker 5: you were in that apex. I mean, Kenny, that's crazy, man,

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Speaker 5: two guys throwing down like that as a treat it

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Speaker 5: really was. It was it was fun to watch and man,

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Speaker 5: I could break that fight down forever. There was so

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Speaker 5: many things going on in there, back and forth that

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Speaker 5: were crazy to me.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: The talent, the talent pool is just the talent pool

565
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Speaker 9: is just ridiculous, man. And again, especially at that division

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Speaker 9: one hundred and forty five pounds, it's just ridiculous. And

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Speaker 9: it just shows that the UFC has a ton of

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Speaker 9: options to put on great fights and great main events,

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Speaker 9: even if they're not pay per views.

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Speaker 8: So MMA is alive and well, it really is. Really

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Speaker 8: this sport is on fire. I mean, if you're right, yeah,

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Speaker 8: you're right. Regez, right, I guess this sort of dense

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Speaker 8: the championship aspirations at least in the immediate time here.

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Speaker 8: But uh yeah, to Kenny's point, I just think there

575
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Speaker 8: are a lot of big, exciting fights for this guy.

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Speaker 8: Imagine if we trot this guy out every three or

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Speaker 8: four months. I think the problem is his fights are

578
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Speaker 8: so violent and takes so much out of him, and

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Speaker 8: more often than not they are five rounders because he's

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Speaker 8: earned that.

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Speaker 9: Well, he's clear, and he's clearly getting better in between

582
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Speaker 9: in between the times that we see him, I mean,

583
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Speaker 9: he's a completely different dude. And again, Ray I was

584
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Speaker 9: talking about it earlier, how good his fundamentals look, because

585
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Speaker 9: he was always dangerous. He had a bunch of tricks

586
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Speaker 9: up his sleep, but it was like it seemed like

587
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Speaker 9: he'd throws something that he'd kind of just throw a

588
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Speaker 9: bunch of spinning kicks but didn't have a jab, or

589
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Speaker 9: then he'd have a jab or didn't have any footwork.

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Speaker 9: He's putting it all together where he really is a

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Speaker 9: complete fighter.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, and he's gonna get He's gonna get better

593
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Speaker 5: and better because I think the less he relies on

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Speaker 5: some of that crazy stuff which is gonna work every

595
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Speaker 5: so often. And the more he even goes more towards

596
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Speaker 5: the fundamentals, he gets better and better this guy, because

597
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Speaker 5: you're not surviving what Max Holloway's without making those moves,

598
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Speaker 5: those shoulder rolls and stay and relax while the guys

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Speaker 5: you know, hit you with volume. It's just not going

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Speaker 5: to happen. And this guy stayed right there. And I'll

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Speaker 5: tell you, John, to your point with the championship aspirations,

602
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Speaker 5: there was no loser in that fight, you know what

603
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Speaker 5: I mean? And I don't think anybody would complain if

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Speaker 5: you gave him Not that it's right, but I don't

605
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Speaker 5: think anybody would complain if you gave him a title

606
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Speaker 5: fight tomorrow. I know, I don't even off a loss

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Speaker 5: because yeah that like again, man, even with three seconds ago,

608
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Speaker 5: does he throw a jump spinning back kick that could

609
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Speaker 5: have ended the fight right there? You know? So I

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Speaker 5: think the truth, I wasn't super impressed going into that.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I was always impressed, but not like this

612
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Speaker 5: is a different level. He's very dangerous. He's going to

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Speaker 5: be one of those guys I think people are going

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Speaker 5: to just because he's not a champion, stay away from

615
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 5: you know, because.

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Speaker 8: Max sort of alluded to that that people are avoiding

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Speaker 8: Awia Rodriguez.

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Speaker 5: And again, hats off the holloway. He doesn't give his shit.

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Speaker 5: He wants to stay active. He believes in himself. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: and he's a guy at thirty who's still killing it,

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Speaker 5: you know, after all these fights and how many years

622
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Speaker 5: he's been fighting. You know, just unbelievable stuff.

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Speaker 8: Kempfo By the way, I wasn't wrapping you. I was

624
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Speaker 8: trying to do a motion for he's putting it all together,

625
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Speaker 8: and I gave like a TV rap. I was repeating

626
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Speaker 8: myself here I go, not at all, as if I'm

627
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Speaker 8: some producer, see I just by the way, I just

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Speaker 8: demonstrably or not, like, prevented myself from saying the F word.

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Speaker 8: There by the way, So people think I cussed too

630
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Speaker 8: much on the program. Some people like it whatever. I'm

631
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Speaker 8: just saying, like, I just didn't say it a moment ago,

632
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Speaker 8: and it interrupted my whole train of thought, you know,

633
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Speaker 8: so maybe I should just be more natural and well, we.

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Speaker 5: Don't want to interrupt your train of thought, John, let

635
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Speaker 5: it go organic, all right.

636
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Speaker 8: So we were we were talking about uh marcos Ho

637
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Speaker 8: Jetio Paizou Delema over Ben rock Twell by knockout, and

638
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 8: we were talking about Herb Dean touching pays out and

639
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Speaker 8: then sort of letting the fight continue and being indecisive,

640
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Speaker 8: and we were sort of referencing Leon Roberts, who didn't

641
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 8: feel like he had his a game when he refereed

642
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 8: Piotrianna Jose outa at UFC two fifty one and he

643
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 8: retired that night. I don't know if this speaks to

644
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 8: a greater indecision issue with Herb Dean per se, but

645
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 8: obviously this was a headline coming out of UFC fight.

646
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Speaker 5: Yeah. Look, I like Herb, but I mean those split

647
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 5: second eighth of his second decisions. Sometimes it happens and

648
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 5: you're just stuck in the wrong place at the wrong time.

649
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 5: It wasn't a good look. But I still think Herb's

650
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 5: a great ref you know, yep, I know I'm not

651
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 5: I'm not giving you much on that, but I know.

652
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 8: It's fine, just fine, you know.

653
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 5: I mean, I you know, back in the day, I

654
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 5: would ref a couple of like smokers and stuff, and

655
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 5: it's it's not the easiest thing to do, and I

656
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 5: never wanted to see anybody get hurt. I would tell

657
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 5: him before that these are these are fundraisers and if

658
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 5: I can get you out of here with your faculties,

659
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 5: that's what's going on. And those decisions that you got

660
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 5: to be really, really present, you know, So right right,

661
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 5: I put him on, you know, I put him on.

662
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 5: You know, look, i'd look at him, you know, make

663
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 5: sure that doesn't repeatedly happen. But uh, I think he's

664
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 5: pretty squared away and he'll he'll be fine.

665
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 8: Well, and ultimately I think his defense would be like, look, man,

666
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 8: I'm trying to do right by these fighters, and like

667
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 8: part of the indecision is trying to give Ben Rothwell

668
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 8: every benefit of every doubt, you know, and.

669
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 5: John, that guy was swinging like a lunatic. It's hard

670
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 5: to get in there.

671
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 8: Of course.

672
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 5: Of course, guy's a big guy.

673
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 8: And that guy was no doubt, you know, so.

674
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 5: You want to protect them and then yeah, maybe he's okay.

675
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 8: It's all right, right, it is, And obviously you got

676
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 8: to be willing to take the criticism that comes with

677
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 8: and early more and more with every passing day. I

678
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 8: know it's sort of against the rules quote unquote, but

679
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 8: I understand and why. Dominic Cruz pulls a Keith Peterson

680
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 8: aside before the fight and says, let me be unconscious, please,

681
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 8: you know, because I got one shot and it's a

682
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 8: title fight.

683
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,719
Speaker 5: Okay, but John, you know that's again you're saying that.

684
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 5: But then a couple of weeks ago that kid that

685
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 5: was getting beat up, everybody made a big deal at

686
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 5: it because the athletic though, so we want to we

687
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 5: want to see Dominic Cruz unconscious.

688
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 8: Like, no, I'm saying that the fighter. I'm if maybe

689
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 8: I'm being hypocritical, but I'm saying I can understand as

690
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 8: the athlete.

691
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, would just say.

692
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 8: Hey, man, like if you can sort of you know,

693
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 8: swing them at all, to just let you go out

694
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 8: on your sword, I would want, right, So maybe Rothwell

695
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 8: got a little bit of an extra minute and uh.

696
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 5: And John says that all the time he wants to die,

697
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. But Louis communications with the rip,

698
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 5: these guys, they talk about it before the fight, said look,

699
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 5: if I tell you to move and your move, I

700
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 5: won't stop it. If I say this, I won't stay

701
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 5: you know, And everybody abides. But I think it's good.

702
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 8: Yeah, So speaking of good, do you think the Jim

703
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 8: Timer helps the show. Is that good for the thill

704
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 8: or no?

705
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 5: No, no, I'll change my whole schedule for.

706
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 8: Well, no, it's no. I mean obviously I knew as

707
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 8: I set you up to just knock me down right now.

708
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 5: I started throwing.

709
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 8: I start throwing punches and taking breathes. Every time I

710
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 8: heard a fell I was like, yeah, oh yeah, yeah, right, chaos, Williams.

711
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 8: I just want to talk about and then whatever you

712
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 8: have before, we let you fly this dude man on

713
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 8: any given Saturday night. I know I keep coming back

714
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 8: to that phrase, but you talk about hand speed. I've

715
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 8: watched the highlight a million times. I still don't see it.

716
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 8: It was that uh you know, yeah, not only that can.

717
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 8: He was off balance and he knocked the guy out right.

718
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 8: He got his legs swept as he was gaining his balance.

719
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 8: He's punching and he still knocked him out. So you know,

720
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 8: power comes from the floor, right, This guy's.

721
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 5: Got straordinary power because I don't even know if one

722
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 5: of his feet was on the floor when he punched.

723
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 5: You know, but I didn't see that coming man at

724
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 5: all either. You did have to look at it a

725
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 5: couple of times. It was quick.

726
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 9: Yeah, he's very quick, very explosive, and like you said,

727
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 9: it didn't seem like he had his feet underneath him

728
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 9: like other people normally would to throw a good punch. Yeah,

729
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 9: it's a gift. Every time he throws he has the

730
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 9: ability to knock you out. It seemed like that's the

731
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 9: way it was going down. And it doesn't matter. That's

732
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 9: the kind of advantage you have. Even if you have

733
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 9: a guy who's faster.

734
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 8: Than you, are, more skilled or more experienced, you're just

735
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 8: when you have the ability to always be one shot

736
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 8: or one move away from beating a dude.

737
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 9: It's just it's such a gift and Chaos absolutely has it.

738
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 8: And he did it again. Unbelievable. Matthew Semmelsberger sitting home, like, Yeah,

739
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 8: I went fifteen minutes with that guy. You know, it's

740
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 8: like a constant navigation of some real trouble. Ray do

741
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 8: you and maybe you could ask Tony Reachie about this

742
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 8: in Miami? Will fucking circle back next week?

743
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 5: I stopped the curtain.

744
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 8: Sorry? Do you train for power?

745
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 5: Right?

746
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 8: Like Michael Chandler talks about training for power, there's definitely

747
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 8: a thing such as natural power. Because my best friend

748
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 8: hasn't lifted a weight in the quarter century and he

749
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 8: can still you know, throw me around and has tremendous

750
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 8: muscle masks. But do you train specifically for power? And

751
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 8: then I want to ask the fighter ken Field, but.

752
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 5: I'm going to say you can trade it, but it's

753
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,439
Speaker 5: gonna come through body mechanics, right, So like you could

754
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 5: be a jacked up steroided head muscles coming out of

755
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 5: your head. You get up and hit that baseball and

756
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 5: you can't swing right. The bull's not leaving the infield right.

757
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 5: So the way I do it is I work to

758
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 5: say I want to get the right hand, go I

759
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 5: will go to like throwing the ball against the wall.

760
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 5: You know, different things that set up that mechanics for

761
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 5: a hard punch, and that's that's about the only thing

762
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 5: you could do. And plus you know, being in shape

763
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 5: working out every day, Like Chandler is an animal with

764
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 5: the working out, so he's he's got natural power, right believe,

765
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 5: But power to me really comes from mechanics. Man. You

766
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 5: could see the skinniest guy in the world, but if

767
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 5: he can sync that body together at the right time,

768
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 5: that SHOT's a bullet. You know, it's a rocket, And

769
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 5: you know that's kind of the things, Uh, I would

770
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 5: try to work on because back in the day, right,

771
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 5: I had a kid. He was horrible. He wasn't even

772
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 5: a fight, he just was training. But he pitched in

773
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 5: in college. He was a baseball pitcher. I mean, the

774
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 5: guy's right hand was was unbelievable.

775
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 8: He could imagine you see what I'm saying.

776
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 5: He couldn't do anything else right, But so body mechanics, Man,

777
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 5: that motion is so natural and it comes out of nowhere.

778
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 5: It's a It makes for power.

779
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 8: Right, Kenny, how did you how did you navigate all that?

780
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 5: Right?

781
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 8: As a Brazilian jiu jitsu black belt who cut a

782
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 8: lot of weight, how did you navigate that? Yeah? You know,

783
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 8: I listen.

784
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 9: I think that I definitely would train to try to

785
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 9: get stronger and be more explosive. But you know, I'm

786
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 9: the kind of guy that you know, I have a

787
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 9: certain sea right, I'm not going to have the kind

788
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 9: of power that say chaos Williams ever has. You know

789
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 9: that there's limits I think to everyone's power, speed, et cetera.

790
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 9: Those physical things you either have them or you have

791
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 9: the ability to improve or you don't.

792
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 8: At certain point you run into a wall.

793
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,439
Speaker 9: So for me, I was I was in the camp

794
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,760
Speaker 9: with what Ray's talking about is I try to develop

795
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 9: my mechanics the best that I get, the best that

796
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 9: I could. What was the structure of my body as

797
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 9: I was punching, you know, how aligned were my bones

798
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 9: as it landed that shot?

799
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 8: As I extend?

800
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 9: How loose were my punches in between the point where

801
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 9: I would I would you know, throw them out and

802
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 9: then let it go and then retract again. So those

803
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:45,760
Speaker 9: are all things that you have to train. But natural

804
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 9: power is a real thing. As we went, it was chaos, Williams.

805
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 9: So I think it's something that you need to do

806
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 9: both of, but it really begins and ends with mechanics.

807
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,439
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, and Ken you notice too. I'm sure there's

808
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 5: certain guys in the gym, like you got to check

809
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 5: their gloves. You think there's a brick in they just

810
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 5: you don't even see it when they're walking around. But

811
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 5: it's a different thump on your head. Man, It's crazy. So, uh,

812
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 5: I'm a big believer in body mechanics for for just

813
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 5: any sport it doesn't even matter. But behind body mechanics

814
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 5: you have to be conditioned the right way, and you know,

815
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 5: strength obviously will go across the field in anything you do,

816
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 5: but you don't want to be so strong where you're

817
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 5: both up and you can have the mechanics, because Kenny,

818
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 5: that's the complete opposite. All those guys you see that

819
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 5: are walking around like that, they can't throw a punch.

820
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 5: It'll it'll feel hard, but you're gonna see it coming

821
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 5: a mile away, you know what I mean. So the

822
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 5: element of surprise with body mechanics is different. And yeah,

823
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 5: that would be my approach. And it takes time. It's

824
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 5: not a oh, we're gonna do this for your camp

825
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 5: for six weeks and you're gonna No, it's years. It's

826
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 5: years of years of doing the same thing over and

827
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 5: over again. And uh I I think that'll be a

828
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 5: big help or a step in the right direction.

829
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 8: So if this were a network show, Ken Flow, I

830
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 8: might ask you right now, factor fiction, will chaos? Williams

831
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 8: ever be top five in the UFC's welterweight division, And

832
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 8: I would say fact because I think his style is

833
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 8: such that he will get that opportunity eventually against somebody

834
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 8: in the top five and he'll knock him clean out.

835
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 8: It's a hard division. But I do believe that he

836
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 8: has the work ethic, he has the championship mentality, and

837
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 8: I do believe that eventually Chaos Williams is going to

838
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 8: be a real factor at welterweight. It's hard to sit

839
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 8: here right and say that about an athlete who's maybe

840
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 8: twenty five in the world right now, But to say

841
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 8: that I'm wicked intrigued by Chaos Williams would be an understatement.

842
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 9: Listen, Biaza is an excellent fighter. He's good everywhere he sound.

843
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 9: You know, I thought Baeza was going to get the

844
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 9: better of him and be the smarter fighter out there.

845
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 9: He got caught trading. Man, you cannot do that against

846
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 9: someone like Chaos.

847
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,760
Speaker 8: It's just he's just way too dangerous.

848
00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 5: And again, Kenny, I think the fact that he will

849
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 5: balanced him probably mentally, so he thought he had a

850
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 5: little bit of a break exactly exactly. That's the real

851
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 5: problem is that he thought the guy was, you know,

852
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 5: getting his balance. But as he was getting his balanced,

853
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 5: I don't think he expected him to be throwing and

854
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 5: throwing that.

855
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 9: Hall against normal people. That would have been what you're

856
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 9: supposed to do, exactly.

857
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 5: And that's that's the gift that kas Williams has. How

858
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 5: far he'll take him, who knows you know, there's there's

859
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 5: so many tough guys coming up now, it's it's bizarre.

860
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 8: And the gift of Ray Longo just keeps giving on

861
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 8: the Annaky Florian podcast every Monday, even when he has

862
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 8: a case of the Mondays like today or so it's names. Now,

863
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 8: you don't have a case of the Mondays. You got

864
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 8: the fucking Mondays? Right?

865
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 5: The hell are you talking about? Have you ever seen

866
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:51,240
Speaker 5: the movie off Spot the Mondays? Let me Kenny Monday.

867
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 5: Who are we talking about it?

868
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 8: Well, there's a lot of positivity in this world right now.

869
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 8: I won't say any names, but there are a lot

870
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,760
Speaker 8: of people who are like, hey, if you don't like Monday,

871
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 8: then you know, you gotta look what you're doing in

872
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 8: your life. Now. I love sitting here talking to you guys,

873
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 8: but like I wish it was Friday. I'm not afraid

874
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 8: to admit it, you know, because I'm off the weekend Mondays.

875
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 8: You know, it's like, you know, it's like in another

876
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 8: work week, another school week. You know, my babysitter already canceled.

877
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:20,399
Speaker 8: No shock, I love, but you know, like I'd rather

878
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 8: be Friday of the Mondays.

879
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 5: And it's like, you know, don't get hit on the button.

880
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 5: What fucking button do we to? Maybe we'll pay the pipe?

881
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 8: Who is the pipe?

882
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 5: What is going on?

883
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 8: I don't know anymore.

884
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 5: You're gonna pay the piper, John, Who the fuck tell

885
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 5: me who the piper is? What does that mean you're gonna.

886
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 8: Pay I feel like we keep sending your checks here

887
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 8: the fucking piper.

888
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 5: I don't know, man, we used the plural again? What? Uh, dude?

889
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 5: And I'm changing now. I'm definitely seeing it when I

890
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 5: come down.

891
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 8: That's fine.

892
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 5: You might have to pay for the sins of Cody Merrow.

893
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 8: That's fine. Well, hopefully your planter fasci itis isn't kicking

894
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 8: in because the medicated community and if you think we're

895
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 8: putting your name on the list or Tony put you

896
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 8: on the other list, you know, don't allow access to

897
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 8: these New Yorkers. All right, Well, whatever you're doing today,

898
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 8: train and I hope it goes well. And uh, you

899
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 8: know again, apologies for any uh any crossed signals this morning.

900
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 5: Oh no, it's a nice apology accepted. And uh, I

901
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 5: hope you do find a cue for the case of

902
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 5: the Mondays. Very vicious, it's deadly, especially when Friday's five

903
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 5: four five days. This is big, this is big Friday.

904
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 5: It's going to be a long week.

905
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 8: I will care in the Florida. We do, and you

906
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 8: don't do wear a mask or anything. You don't even

907
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,919
Speaker 8: need the polio vaccine down here anymore. That's unbelievable. Get

908
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 8: the funk out of here. We gotta go, We gotta go.

909
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 5: Take it easy.

910
00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 8: Guys came in frowning looking for an apolog gee. We

911
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 8: send him out smiling every time. Uh pronunciation of the

912
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,240
Speaker 8: week time as we welcome on our executive producer, Cody Merrow,

913
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 8: who is on a roll with this segment. By the way,

914
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 8: it's good to see you, Cody.

915
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 7: Let's up what's just happened?

916
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 10: Like?

917
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 7: What was that?

918
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,240
Speaker 8: I don't know who the fuck is the piper?

919
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 3: And someoneould tell me.

920
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 8: I don't.

921
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 7: I gotta take this hoodie off because Sarah's gonna be

922
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 7: coming for me.

923
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 8: That's the piper, Matt Sarah. I know I probably said

924
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 8: it on the program last week. It's so pissed at

925
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 8: this Ray Longo fight team sweatshirt. Even if you don't

926
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Speaker 8: want to buy one, go to Ani Floridan podcast dot

927
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Speaker 8: com and check out the design. We paid someone to

928
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 8: design it, right Longo looks great. I don't know, is

929
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 8: that is that Matt Sarah who is depicted with the

930
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 8: tattoos all over his body Cody because he said.

931
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Speaker 7: But I said, yeah, well, but I said change it,

932
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,760
Speaker 7: Like that's a old that's a picture from the seventies

933
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 7: of Sarah and Longo. So like if you know that

934
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 7: Sarah and Longo, like by the damn hoodie like rap,

935
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 7: you know, right the squad, Yeah right, And then when

936
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 7: people are like who is that, You're like, oh, like

937
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 7: that was Matt Sarah before you get his tattoos removed,

938
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 7: Like it's not all.

939
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 8: Right, that big deal, all right? We uh, Matt Sarah

940
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 8: is on a rival podcast. You know, we shouldn't even

941
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 8: call them rivals, you know, fucking ridiculous. All right, So

942
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 8: you're on a roll with this segment. Uh. This flyweight

943
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 8: will face Cody Durden as part of the ESPN Plus

944
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 8: prelims this weekend. Came into his April UFC debut having

945
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 8: won six in a row. He was beaten that night

946
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 8: UFC two sixty one by Jeff Molina nickname Mongolian Murderer.

947
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 8: Cody Marrow, of whom am I speaking.

948
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 7: Well, nickname I think you were upsetting me for the

949
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 7: Islam pronunciation, because I think when John said this to me,

950
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 7: I was like one word like Madonna, like RICHI Long.

951
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 8: Let's hear let's hear.

952
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:45,959
Speaker 11: Him say, my name is our long Mongoli. My name

953
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 11: is our chi long Mongolia murderer.

954
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 8: Right, Oh, I'm giving you the point Circle gets pronouncing that, right,

955
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 8: know what? I Ken? I wish that if you're audio only,

956
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 8: you just missed Ken Flow's reaction, like, how are we supposed

957
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 8: to say that on broadcast?

958
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 7: Exactly what I'm taking the point I'm getting out of here.

959
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 8: Boys. No, yeah, that's a good one. And again, as

960
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 8: long as you are on the right syllable, pretty much,

961
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,799
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982
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986
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Speaker 8: you gotta be on cloud nine. I mean, you had

987
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 8: a great Instagram post this morning. I know they're highs

988
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 8: and lows, but it sounds like last night a few

989
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 8: hours ago, Dana White looking for a fight in the

990
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 8: Greater Denver area, you punched a couple of UFC tickets.

991
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 8: So congratulations, thank you man.

992
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 3: I think it is like guys like Trey. Trey has

993
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 3: been around. He's fifteen and four now, and.

994
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 10: Last night was our twentieth fight together. I've been coaching

995
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 10: his entire pro career, so it's pretty cool. He said,

996
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 10: he's kind of my u of the last guy that

997
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 10: I had in my in my in.

998
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 3: My junior class of the guys you know, the generation

999
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 3: of that, he was my last one.

1000
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 10: Really, So like, I don't think if you came to

1001
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 10: me today and you said, hey, who do you have

1002
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 10: to sign with the UFC, that's that's ready.

1003
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 8: I don't.

1004
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 3: I don't think I have anybody right now.

1005
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 10: Like everybody that I have is signed, so it's uh,

1006
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 10: we you know, obviously we have some kids coming up. Yeah,

1007
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 10: but we need to add some more experience or whatever.

1008
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 10: But I think everybody that I have signed and I'm

1009
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 10: ready to rock so tonight or I'm sorry, last night

1010
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 10: was a special night for me.

1011
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 3: It was it was really cool.

1012
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 8: That's great. Well, we're happy for you, man. Uh and

1013
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 8: It's funny too, because I was actually thinking about asking

1014
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 8: Ray Longo on the show today. He gets sensitive, right,

1015
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 8: He's already sensitive to your presence on the show. But

1016
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 8: I was going to ask him, like, who is your

1017
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 8: most UFC ready guy that's not in yet? But I

1018
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 8: didn't want to put him on the spot. But maybe

1019
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 8: Kenny will ask him because Kenny's a little softer. All right.

1020
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 8: So it's UFC Fight Night, Vieta versus Tate. We got

1021
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 8: five fights on the main car. We're going to pick

1022
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 8: all of them. You guys can go as long or

1023
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 8: short as you like. First up at bantam wait Adrian

1024
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 8: Yanez minus two sixty five Davey Grant plus two fifteen.

1025
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 8: So Yannis has won seven in a row. James three

1026
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 8: and zero in the UFC with as many knockouts and

1027
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 8: performance bonuses. Last win by TKO against Randy Costa July

1028
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 8: twenty fourth. Uh, he's minus two sixty five here. That's

1029
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 8: a pretty stiff price against a very tough Davy Grant.

1030
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 8: Which way you going, James, Well, first.

1031
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 10: Of all, I think it's important to talk about Uh.

1032
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 10: Last week was a very swift reminer that I don't

1033
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 10: know fucking shit about this.

1034
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,479
Speaker 3: So, uh man, I.

1035
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 10: Feel like this week, I feel about I feel this

1036
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 10: week about like I did last week.

1037
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 3: To be honest with you, like there was nothing I love.

1038
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 10: I said it on the show. I think there's nothing

1039
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 10: that I loved last week, And god dang, I wish

1040
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 10: I would have stayed away from it, but I didn't.

1041
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 10: So when I look at when I look at I

1042
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 10: feel like whoever makes the lines on these it's almost

1043
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 10: like they're taunting me because they make it like I

1044
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 10: have somebody that I like in it, but they make

1045
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 10: it just expensive enough I don't want to play it,

1046
00:49:58,200 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 10: you know what I mean? Just and whoever makes them

1047
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 10: really good. So I love Adrian Janaz honestly. I think

1048
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 10: he's incredibly He's one of the top prospects in the

1049
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 10: game in my opinion. All that being said, dude, I

1050
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 10: also think Davey Grant is extremely underrated.

1051
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 3: Uh. He fought uh Chiato Vera very well, and uh

1052
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 3: I think he's very good.

1053
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Speaker 10: I don't like this line all in with this, I

1054
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 10: do like Adrian to win this fight, but I do

1055
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Speaker 10: not like the price that it's at.

1056
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Speaker 3: So I could see Davey, you know, causing some problems.

1057
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Speaker 10: Obviously, Yannas did a great job overcoming the first round

1058
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Speaker 10: of Brandy Costo last time. I know there's a it's

1059
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Speaker 10: a different style of fight. But Davey is underrated, and

1060
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Speaker 10: Davey is is very good. He's very skilly, very scrappy.

1061
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 10: He's got good wins. He just beat uh Pedro.

1062
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 3: Uh, you guys, don't call him Pedro Martinez, Dantor Martinez.

1063
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 3: He's good.

1064
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:51,879
Speaker 5: He's good.

1065
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 3: So I like Yanaz, but I don't like the price.

1066
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 3: I'll be honest with you.

1067
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Speaker 8: I agree, like I watched Davey Grant Kenny. He's as

1068
00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 8: tough as they come. He has a lot of skills,

1069
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 8: and oftentimes I ask myself, like do I want to

1070
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 8: walk to the window bet against this guy?

1071
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 5: Right?

1072
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 8: He's got Cardio ran into the Cheeto vera Busa obviously

1073
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 8: back in June, but a couple recent knockouts for dangerous

1074
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 8: Davy Grant. Bonus, isn't three straight good matchmaking At one

1075
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 8: hundred and thirty five pounds can flow Yanas Grant? Which

1076
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 8: way you go?

1077
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 9: I agree with a lot of what James said. I

1078
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 9: think Janez has tremendous potential. We've seen his striking. He

1079
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 9: can strike at a very high level. I think he

1080
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 9: is one of the premier counter strikers in his division,

1081
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 9: and I think he's a guy that will be fighting

1082
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 9: for the belt for sure, so I think he's got

1083
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 9: a huge advantage on the feet. But Davy Grant is

1084
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 9: one of those guys who just won't go away. He

1085
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 9: is tough as nails, and I also think he's kind

1086
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 9: of a problem on the ground as well.

1087
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 8: If he's able to hit those takedowns.

1088
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 9: He's got a pretty decent bodylock takedown, decent wrestling up

1089
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 9: against the fence, that's where Davy Grant likes to be.

1090
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 9: Throws a lot of knees and elbows from that position

1091
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 9: in tight uses his length very well, and if he

1092
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 9: gets you on the ground, you could be in trouble.

1093
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 9: He's dangerous both with his grounded pound and his submissions. However,

1094
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 9: I think Adrian will find a way to get back

1095
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 9: to his feet stop those takedowns. And he's also a

1096
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 9: guy that tends to build as the fight goes on.

1097
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 9: He gets himself momentum, finds his rhythm like a lot

1098
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 9: of intelligent fighters, and then he just kind of owns you.

1099
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 9: I don't know if he's gonna own Davy Grant necessarily,

1100
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:28,919
Speaker 9: but I do like Gianna is here to get the win.

1101
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 8: You should put that breakdown on your demo reel. By

1102
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 8: the way, I thought that one was particularly good. All right,

1103
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 8: women's flyweight division. We got a couple instances on this

1104
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,280
Speaker 8: fight card in which the lower ranked fighter is favored.

1105
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 8: Ninth ranked Tyler Santos minus three ten Joanne Calder with

1106
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 8: number six in the world plus two forty five. Santos

1107
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 8: has won three in a row James eighteen and one overall,

1108
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 8: the only pro loss in her UFC debut by split decision.

1109
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 8: And on the other side, Jojo just got married, which

1110
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,959
Speaker 8: maybe is neither here nor there. Shet the Calder take

1111
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 8: out the Calder. Yeah that's good. That's good. Yeah, I

1112
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 8: don't think that that's good. So what do you have

1113
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 8: for us on this one? Like anybody who's named James,

1114
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 8: I'm resisting the temptation to call you Jimmy because I'm

1115
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 8: afraid you're gonna come through the screen because no one

1116
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 8: ever calls you Jimmy. But I'm all about like shorthand

1117
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 8: and casual and whatever you want, all right, Well, James.

1118
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 3: Whatever you want Joe, So what do you.

1119
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 8: What do you have for us on on Callerwood plus

1120
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 8: two forty five here against the three to one favorite

1121
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 8: Tyler Santos.

1122
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 10: Uh, this this fight is a lot like the grants

1123
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 10: and has fight to me, I mean this is this

1124
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 10: is a fight that Santos should win.

1125
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 3: And Uh, in my opinion, it's.

1126
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 10: Probably the more complete fighter here. I think she has

1127
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 10: more ways to win. I think, you know, she can

1128
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 10: obviously strike with the color wood, but like, I think

1129
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 10: there's a big advantage in the wrestling in the ground department.

1130
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 10: But I think the price is I think it's too expensive.

1131
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 3: I don't.

1132
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 10: I don't it's not I don't think it's priced accurately.

1133
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 10: I think, you know, I don't. I don't see. It

1134
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 10: kind of pisses me.

1135
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 3: Off, to be honest with you. I just don't see.

1136
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:06,760
Speaker 10: I don't see where they're coming up with these prices

1137
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 10: at But they make it just that they put.

1138
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 3: It just enough to where it's it's too much, you

1139
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 3: know what I mean?

1140
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 10: Uh, Oliving said, I mean, I feel like Santos has

1141
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 10: more ways to win. Santos is the is the is

1142
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,280
Speaker 10: the better, more complete fighter in my opinion.

1143
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 3: But I don't. I don't think the line's on. I

1144
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 3: think it's off.

1145
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 10: I think it's overpriced, and I think Calderwood has a

1146
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 10: better shot of winning this than what Vegas is doing.

1147
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, I agree, Kenny. Again, I write down the odds

1148
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 8: before I go to DraftKings or oddshark dot com wherever

1149
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 8: I'm going, and I wrote minus one to eighty for

1150
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 8: Tyler Santos and I was way off. She's minus three

1151
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 8: ten here two ye right, I.

1152
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 10: Mean we were close, you know, even maybe a little

1153
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 10: bit two twenty five maybe right?

1154
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 8: So kemflow Jojo Wood. Jojo Calderwood out of Scotland dropped

1155
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 8: a split decision to Lauren Murphy at UFC two sixty

1156
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 8: three in June. Had she won that fight, she probably

1157
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 8: would have already fought Valentina Chevchenko for the title. What

1158
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,359
Speaker 8: do you think about her here against uh Tyler Sante.

1159
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 9: Yeah, listen again, James does a great breakdown here. I

1160
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 9: think that the other thing for people to be aware of.

1161
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 9: It's just Santos and her athleticism. You know, everything she

1162
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,720
Speaker 9: does she's pretty sharp with. She's a little bit more powerful,

1163
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 9: a little faster, and I think she does everything a

1164
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:24,359
Speaker 9: little bit better than Jojo. Unfortunately. I think Jojo can

1165
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:26,919
Speaker 9: can post some problems here and there. I think she's

1166
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 9: very tough, but I don't know. I think she needs

1167
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 9: to stay extremely disciplined and extremely sharp to win these

1168
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 9: rounds against Santos, who really I think.

1169
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 8: Is a handful here in this fight. So I like

1170
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,800
Speaker 8: Santos here as well. Is she as good as step

1171
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 8: mom as Jojo? Though Ken flow? No, all right, obviously not.

1172
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 8: I got to get my tyler Santo's card behind me

1173
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 8: before I get in trouble. If she's the mother, I

1174
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 8: apologize Yanks all right? At bantamweight boys a Pickham fight

1175
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,720
Speaker 8: right now? Rani Yaya minus two to ten or minus

1176
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 8: one ten, excuse me against Yung Ho Kong minus one

1177
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 8: ten as well. So this fight got pulled a few

1178
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 8: hours before it was to happen in July after Yaya

1179
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 8: tested positive for COVID nineteen. But how about ya Ya

1180
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 8: on paper right? Fought a jungle fight two back in

1181
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 8: the day. Pro debut was in two thousand and two.

1182
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 8: Fought seven times in the WEC. Now this is his

1183
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 8: nineteenth UFC fight. Never been finished in the UFC or

1184
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 8: the WEC eight two and one spanning his last eleven

1185
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 8: interesting matchup here for Yaya James against Kyung Ho Kong.

1186
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:31,879
Speaker 8: How do you cap it?

1187
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 3: I got to tell you, Yaya Ronni.

1188
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 10: Yaya has won me a lot of money, and what

1189
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 10: I love about him is his and I don't feel

1190
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 10: like I don't feel like he gets enough credit for this.

1191
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 10: And it's when when we talked about this what I

1192
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,439
Speaker 10: look forward to to place bets on. We're talking about

1193
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 10: strictly betting perspective. I look for consistency and I try

1194
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 10: to avoid guys with high danger factor. And Yaya is

1195
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 10: one of those guys that he typically if you know,

1196
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 10: if you're playing Madden or whatever or the sports, he's

1197
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 10: like he's good everywhere, he can hang everywhere with everyone.

1198
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 10: And then his danger factor is like you know what

1199
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 10: I mean, Like his his grappling is elite level and

1200
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 10: like you know, people we use that a lot, Like

1201
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 10: he's got good grappling, he's got black volts. This guy's

1202
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 10: grappling is elite level. Man, Like it's he can grapple

1203
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 10: with anybody in that division. And he's super super dangerous.

1204
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 10: He attacks legs well, he attacks arms well, he's got

1205
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 10: good chokes. I mean, he's a guy that can finish

1206
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 10: you anywhere on the ground, if that makes sense.

1207
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 3: Even yeah, you know what I mean. Like, he's just

1208
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 3: super super dangerous.

1209
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 10: So anytime that I get I get a guy like

1210
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 10: especially in Vegas, is saying, Hey, these two guys are even,

1211
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 10: but one of these guys has a way bigger danger factor.

1212
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 10: I typically like to lean that way.

1213
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 8: Very interesting, Ken Flow, Kung Ho Kong, I know you

1214
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 8: remember this because you got that steel trap between the ears.

1215
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 8: You have C deput against Alex Caseris, you have C

1216
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 8: on fuel TV Silva versus Stan Tokyo, Japan, twenty thirteen.

1217
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 8: We called that fight. Military service is part of the

1218
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 8: narrative on Kong didn't compete at all twenty fifteen, sixteen

1219
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 8: seventeen mandatory military service in South Korea. Now he has momentum.

1220
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 8: He's won three in a row, hasn't competed in a while,

1221
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 8: last two wins by split decision. Chung Ho Kong RANI Yaya, Kenflow,

1222
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 8: who do you have? Listen?

1223
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 9: I think he's dangerous on the feet, I do. I

1224
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 9: think he can be difficult to deal with. He could

1225
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 9: definitely win this fight. But I'm with James here. I

1226
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 9: think ya ya can really be a problem here if

1227
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 9: he's able to get this one to the ground. I

1228
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 9: think he's got a nice takedown game up against the

1229
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 9: fence for a jiu jitsu guy. I think he's very

1230
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 9: tenacious when he gets in that high cross position with

1231
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 9: the crackdown, He's very good from that position, has an

1232
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 9: excellent as a series of front chokes that can cause

1233
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 9: problems for anyone out there no matter what your experience

1234
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 9: level is in Brazili jiu jitsu. He truly is elite,

1235
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 9: as James said, and I like Yahya here. It's tough

1236
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 9: because we haven't seen him as often as I would like,

1237
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 9: But yeah, let's let's go with Ronnie all right, co.

1238
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 8: Main event A big fight at one hundred and seventy

1239
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 8: pounds fourteenth rank. Sean Brady is the favorite minus one

1240
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 8: fifty number six Michael Kisa plus one thirty James. We'll

1241
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 8: need the round and the method of victory for the record.

1242
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 8: Tough fight to cap here between Brady, who is undefeated

1243
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 8: and Michael Kiessa, who is making a turn. Who do

1244
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 8: you have?

1245
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 3: I don't know if I could give you guys a

1246
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 3: pick on this one.

1247
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 8: That's okay. I'm in twenty twenty two, when the new

1248
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 8: scoring system is revealed, you may not have that choice,

1249
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 8: so you could take that choice now.

1250
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 3: Okay, So.

1251
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 10: When I look at this fight, these guys are very

1252
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 10: very similar, and I think that Brady has a has

1253
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 10: an advantage on the feet.

1254
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 3: I think he is the better striker for sure.

1255
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 8: Uh.

1256
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 10: I do, however, think that Kiyosa is a better grappler.

1257
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 10: And this is my problem is is like I can't

1258
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 10: remember who is Brady's last fight.

1259
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 8: I can look that up for you. If Jake Jake

1260
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 8: Mcake Matthews, Jake Matthews.

1261
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 10: Yes, Matthews got him down at one point, and Brady

1262
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 10: did a really really good job of using deepaf guard

1263
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 10: to get up.

1264
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 3: He's got a really good I'm a huge fan of

1265
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 3: both of these guys.

1266
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 10: By the way, Brady's got a really good deep half

1267
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 10: guard system that he uses to get back up and

1268
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 10: I like.

1269
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 3: It a lot.

1270
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 10: That's not happening against Michael Kissa though. Like when Kissa

1271
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 10: gets you down, very few.

1272
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 3: People get up. Very few people get up, and I.

1273
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 10: Can just I could see I could see this fight

1274
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 10: playing out so many different ways, and my brain has

1275
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 10: really scrambled on how to pick this right if this

1276
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 10: fight turns into a grappling match, which Sean typically likes

1277
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 10: to grapple. I do, however, think if this turns into

1278
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 10: a grappling match that at that favors Kiss. If he

1279
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 10: keeps it striking, I think it favors Brady. Here's what

1280
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 10: I'm gonna say to me. This fight is a pick

1281
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 10: them fight. Like this is a toss up fifty to

1282
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 10: fifty fight. So from from a perspective of who am

1283
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 10: I picking to win, I'm not going to give you, guys,

1284
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 10: An answered, because to be honest, I don't know.

1285
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Speaker 3: I really don't know.

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Speaker 10: But from a betting perspective, if I have this fighter

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Speaker 10: to pick them, anytime there's a pick them fight, you

1288
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 10: always want to lead towards the plus money, right, and

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Speaker 10: that plus money is on is on Kisa, And that's

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Speaker 10: I don't I I guys, I very rarely am like

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Speaker 10: this is a true fifty to fifty fight, and I

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Speaker 10: don't know where to lean. But I can tell you,

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01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 10: guys right now, that's where I'm at with it. I

1294
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 10: really don't know who's gonna win this.

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Speaker 3: I have no idea.

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Speaker 10: Uh literally, one day, like when you send me the

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Speaker 10: you send me the email of the matchups right, and

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Speaker 10: and I was like, Okay, I'm leaning, I'm leaning Kyiessa,

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01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 10: like just barely ten percent, Kissa.

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Speaker 3: And then I looked at it again today and.

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Speaker 10: I was like, you know, I'm kind of lean towards

1302
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 10: Brady today, and I'm like, why the hell do you switch?

1303
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 3: I can't tell you why. I have no idea why.

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01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 3: So it's a really tough one for me, James.

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Speaker 9: I'm just gonna say this. If you don't pick, the

1306
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 9: fans are going to be all over it. Man, They're

1307
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 9: gonna be all over you.

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Speaker 8: I think for the record, he probably took kiyesa but

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Speaker 8: will uh Okay, yeah, I mean I.

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Speaker 3: Had no, that's not true. That's not true.

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Speaker 5: I listen.

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Speaker 3: Well, okay, well we're talking about betting. We're talking about betting.

1313
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 3: You got you gotta go kiss it. Okay, you have

1314
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 3: to go kys it because he's plus money. You have to.

1315
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 10: So if you guys are putting a gun in my

1316
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 10: head's and I have to pick whom I gotta bet

1317
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 10: on answers Kissa. That doesn't mean I'm thinking that he's

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01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 10: gonna win the fight, though, I truly think this is

1319
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 10: a coin flip fight, I really do. And uh, I

1320
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Speaker 10: mean if you're if you're a gun to my head

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01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 10: and you gotta go plus money here because it's it's

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Speaker 10: a fifty fifty five.

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Speaker 8: So we've actually solicited opinions from the listeners as to

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01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 8: how to structure the main event challenge. You know, if

1325
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 8: you guys should just get money and can spend it

1326
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 8: so you would have the opportunity to avoid picking a

1327
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 8: fight like this. So, uh, anti Floran podcast on social media,

1328
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 8: if anti Floring pod, actually if if you have opinions

1329
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Speaker 8: on that, but yeah, I mean that's the way you'd

1330
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 8: approach a handicap, right, if it's a pick and fight,

1331
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 8: you're getting forty cents a value essentially on Michael Kiessa

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01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 8: Ken Flow. Sean Brady is an interesting case here and

1333
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 8: a lot of people are excited to see him get

1334
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 8: this step up in competition fourteen to zero overall four

1335
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 8: to zero in the UFC submitted Jake Matthews last time

1336
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 8: out that was UFC two to fifty nine in March,

1337
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 8: was booked against Kevin Lee in both July and August.

1338
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 8: Foot infection forced him out of that second meeting, and

1339
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 8: now he gets the biggest matchup of his career, at

1340
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 8: least on paper. Sean Bady, Michael Kissa, Ken Flow, you

1341
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 8: know the drill? Who do you have?

1342
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 9: Listen, James is correct in that this is the trickiest

1343
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 9: fight on the card for me. This is a really

1344
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 9: difficult one to pick. I think that Kiessa can pose

1345
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 9: a lot of problems for Sean.

1346
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 8: I think Sean's good on the ground. I do. We're

1347
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 8: gonna find out how good he is. I think this weekend.

1348
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 9: I think Kisa, if he's able to slow the game down,

1349
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 9: if he's able to get his underhooks pino shoulders, Sean

1350
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 9: Brady may find that he's in for a very long night. However,

1351
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 9: if Sean is able to get to his positions, keep

1352
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 9: it moving, you know, be successful in transition, then you know,

1353
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 9: Brady can make Kiyessa uncomfortable, could make him tired, you know,

1354
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 9: keep it on the feet, beat up his legs a

1355
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 9: little bit. I think that's what Sean needs to do here,

1356
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 9: is try to beat up those legs from Kissa, you know,

1357
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 9: because he is going to get a rangier fighter in Mike. Now,

1358
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 9: Kissa might not be the best striker in the world,

1359
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 9: but he's not horrible and he can be awkward and

1360
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 9: difficult to deal with on the feet. So I think

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Speaker 9: Brady's best bet is trying to beat up those legs,

1362
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 9: slow down Kissa, and win those transitions. I think Brady,

1363
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 9: for me, as far as from what I've seen on

1364
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 9: the ground, is most dangerous when he gets that top position.

1365
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 8: How how much will we see him in that top position?

1366
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 8: I don't know.

1367
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 9: I don't see him necessarily taking Kisa down consistently. Maybe

1368
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 9: there's a transition or a counter that he hits, but

1369
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 9: I don't know. I think that we're gonna find a

1370
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 9: lot out about Brady. We just haven't seen as much

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01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 9: from him as we have from Kiyosa. Of course, Kisa,

1372
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 9: you know, sometimes himself can be inconsistent on how he

1373
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 9: goes out there and executes his game plans. So this

1374
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:09,160
Speaker 9: is a very difficult one to pick. I will go

1375
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 9: with Brady here, but again, this is this is a

1376
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 9: tight one. But let's go with Sean. Let's go with

1377
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 9: Sean By. Let's go with Sean By. Decision.

1378
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 3: I hope you get getting finished.

1379
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, all right. Main event Women's bantamweight Division number

1380
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 8: eight Misha Tate minus one fifteen, seventh ranked Kaitlyn vieda

1381
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 8: minus one oh five, slightly to the underdog. So Tate

1382
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 8: returned from her four plus year retirement, as you guys know,

1383
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 8: with much fanfare. That was back in July. Stop Marion

1384
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 8: Renault was supposed to fight Vida in October. Misha got

1385
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 8: COVID nineteen little delay. She's healthy now and could be

1386
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:50,080
Speaker 8: a win or two away from a title shot, essentially

1387
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 8: a pick him fight. James Krause, I thought Misha would

1388
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 8: maybe be a little bit more of a favorite. How

1389
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:57,160
Speaker 8: do you think she fares against Kitlyn Vieta.

1390
01:05:58,280 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 9: Uh.

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01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 10: I want to lean I want to lean Mishaw on

1392
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 10: this one, uh, Kellen. In the past, she's had some

1393
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 10: difficulty dealing with the takedowns, especially on the fence, and

1394
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 10: I mean that just seems to be right up Misha's alley,

1395
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 10: you know what I mean. I think these girls are

1396
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 10: very even in skilled, but I think stylistically Misha matches

1397
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 10: up very well with her and and I think she

1398
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 10: is the better grappler on top. It's gonna be on

1399
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 10: if Misha gets on top, you know she's I don't

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01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 10: I don't see either one of these girls subbing the other. Uh.

1401
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 10: But I think what could happen is Misha gets on top,

1402
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 10: where's vi are down a little bit, and then you know,

1403
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 10: cruises to a decision. But this is five rounds. I

1404
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 10: could see a submission in there somewhere. I don't see

1405
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 10: a t KO or anything. Uh my guess would be

1406
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 10: a decision on either side of this. But I do

1407
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 10: I do feel like that that Misha is gonna wear

1408
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 10: on the takedowns and especially on the fence. You know,

1409
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 10: like I said, is shown in the past that she's

1410
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:54,920
Speaker 10: had some difficulty with dealing with that.

1411
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 3: So I like Misha here. I like Misha here that

1412
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 3: I still well, I will say this the time off.

1413
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 10: Everybody's like, oh, she came back and fought Marion, you know,

1414
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 10: did really well.

1415
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:09,439
Speaker 3: That's not what we're dealing with here.

1416
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 7: Though.

1417
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 10: Stylistically, Misha is like a nightmare matchup for Mary, and Marion.

1418
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 3: Is comfortable being on her back.

1419
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:18,040
Speaker 10: Her wrestling is not up to par bea is gonna

1420
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 10: be a little bit tougher of a test. And I

1421
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 10: gotta be honest, and in my opinion, I kind of

1422
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:24,080
Speaker 10: just nixed that fight because I think Misha is such

1423
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 10: a good matchup for her. I still want to see

1424
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 10: about the time off. I think we could see that

1425
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 10: come to come to play here.

1426
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 3: Now.

1427
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 10: If she beats Verira, I think I'm convinced. I'm ready

1428
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:37,720
Speaker 10: to rock with right, you know, so, uh, I'm gonna

1429
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 10: lean Misha though. I think she's just a tough stylistic matchup.

1430
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 8: Ken Foll Kaitlyn Vie to miss wait for her last fight,

1431
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 8: a unanimous decision loss to Yanakunitskay in February. Your thoughts

1432
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 8: on the main event coming up Saturday night at the

1433
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:51,479
Speaker 8: old ufc apex there.

1434
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 9: I think I think Vierira has some potential. I think

1435
01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 9: she's pretty well rounded, but I I think Misha is

1436
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 9: a very tough matchup for her. I think Misha is

1437
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 9: going to be the better grappler here, a better wrestler anyway,

1438
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 9: which I think it will come down to that. I

1439
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 9: think it's going to come down to the wrestling. I

1440
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 9: think it's going to come down to the experience factor,

1441
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:15,000
Speaker 9: where Misha of course has her in that department. She's

1442
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:17,720
Speaker 9: been in a lot of big fights. I don't think

1443
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:21,439
Speaker 9: we saw, you know, a Misha that was like, you know,

1444
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:24,280
Speaker 9: came with all these new skills or anything like that.

1445
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:29,559
Speaker 9: Given the layoff, I was very impressed, mostly with her

1446
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 9: mental attitude heading into the fight and how focused and

1447
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 9: how present she was during the fight, and she did

1448
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:36,600
Speaker 9: all the right things that she needed to do to

1449
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 9: win that fight. And that said, I have to assume

1450
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:42,719
Speaker 9: we're going to continue to see that, you know, solid

1451
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 9: mental approach from Misha, and I think we're going to

1452
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:46,559
Speaker 9: see even more of.

1453
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 8: Her skills in this fight. So I like her here.

1454
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 9: You know, I didn't love the Aldana fight for Kaitlyn Vieira,

1455
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:55,519
Speaker 9: you know, I think she definitely exposed some weaknesses there.

1456
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 9: I think the Yana Kanitskya fight, I think we saw

1457
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 9: some more from Vieira that you know, you know, brought

1458
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:04,120
Speaker 9: her stock down just a little bit. And I think

1459
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:06,720
Speaker 9: Misha is the one, you know, who's going to take

1460
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:09,719
Speaker 9: advantage of those those weaknesses that we saw in those fights.

1461
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 9: So I like Misha here. I'm not sure we'll see

1462
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:15,640
Speaker 9: a fit a finish here either, but I do like

1463
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 9: Misha here.

1464
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 8: Let's go with the by decision, all right, Mesha tay

1465
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 8: by decision is the pick for Ken Flow James. I

1466
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 8: don't even want to ask if your wheel's up somewhere

1467
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:24,599
Speaker 8: this weekend. In a couple of days.

1468
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:28,680
Speaker 3: No, I'm good. What's crazy? Is I literally just I was?

1469
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:31,800
Speaker 3: I was home for three minutes. I landed, got straight

1470
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:33,639
Speaker 3: into my car, drove here. I was home for three

1471
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 3: minutes before I put these headphones on and got it.

1472
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:39,679
Speaker 8: This guy, guy, what a guy? Well, uh, next time,

1473
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:41,680
Speaker 8: we'll give you an extra ten minutes. But we thank you,

1474
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:43,880
Speaker 8: we appreciate you. On social media you can find more

1475
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 8: from this handsome man at the James Krause congrats on

1476
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:49,320
Speaker 8: a big weekend, buddy, and uh, we're off next Monday,

1477
01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:50,679
Speaker 8: but we'll talk to you in two weeks.

1478
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:52,560
Speaker 3: Perfect. Thanks guys, I appreciate you.

1479
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 8: There he is happy Thanksgiving. James Krause focus presence, right,

1480
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:01,360
Speaker 8: you talk about the things and I mentioned those words

1481
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:04,120
Speaker 8: with Kolby Covington and the kamar Usman fight right after

1482
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:07,160
Speaker 8: round two, Like if you're not totally present in that

1483
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 8: moment and hell bent on winning a world championship, you know,

1484
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 8: maybe one ounce of yous looking for a way out.

1485
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:16,200
Speaker 8: And say what you want about Kobe Covington. Some have

1486
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:18,760
Speaker 8: been critical, Henry Shudo and others that he wasn't really

1487
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 8: there to win and didn't get aggressive enough. But he's

1488
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:23,040
Speaker 8: certainly not looking for a way out. You know, no,

1489
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 8: not at all, man, and that's so important.

1490
01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:27,680
Speaker 9: Again, those are the kind of things that come with

1491
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:30,640
Speaker 9: big fight experience, which is which is huge in this

1492
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:32,320
Speaker 9: sport and I think often overlook.

1493
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:36,639
Speaker 8: Yeah, all right, Ana florinpodcast dot com for your merchandise needs.

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Speaker 9: No, I'm well, let's see up chilling this week man.

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Speaker 9: We got some work going on here at the house.

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Speaker 8: Next time put her on camera, man, we need you

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Speaker 8: would love that. Misha Tate, by the way, was plus

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