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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Smith and welcome to stuff

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Speaker 1: I've never told your production of I Heart Radio. I

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Speaker 1: am so excited right now. Yes, my heart is racing.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't sleep last night like this anticipation of what's happening,

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Speaker 1: because we're finally talking about a hero of mine, Princess

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Speaker 1: Leah and feminism and at this point this is where

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Speaker 1: like canons and like sparks should be going off all

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Speaker 1: the downt effects. I was like, could my brain is

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Speaker 1: like the death start exploding. That's what's happened there you go. Um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is the longest outline I've ever written. Um, it's

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Speaker 1: twenty one pages. I will say partially, I'm gonna say

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Speaker 1: it was my fault because I told you to have

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Speaker 1: at it. This is your project, this is your baby,

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Speaker 1: and do it so I and I think you held back.

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Speaker 1: I definitely held back. I definitely was like, at some point,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have to stop or you might just die

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Speaker 1: here research I think I told you. I like, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna need you to wrap it up now. Yeah, last

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Speaker 1: night a sense of anti text and I just had

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Speaker 1: circled like how long it was and how many tabs

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Speaker 1: I had left and she was like, oh God that

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Speaker 1: that was literally the only response I can give was

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Speaker 1: oh God, yeah, And I would. I would go in

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Speaker 1: to look at the outline while I'm working on one

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Speaker 1: day three was page nine and I was like, Oh,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna it was gonna be a long one. It

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Speaker 1: definitely is. Which mean is it? It's a two parter um.

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Speaker 1: So in this one, we're going to focus on the

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Speaker 1: basics of Star Wars, Princess Leiah through a new hope

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Speaker 1: and Empire strikes back. Yeah, we're pretty much sticking to

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Speaker 1: the original trilogy. Um. And then there'll be a good

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Speaker 1: finger and you'll have to wait to figure out what

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Speaker 1: we think about the medal bikini in Return of the Jedi,

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Speaker 1: and then the feminism of Leah and my own a

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Speaker 1: personal and the original on my thoughts of around Luke

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Speaker 1: and before we start, just to let you know, we

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Speaker 1: did actually do a viewing social distance viewing of the

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Speaker 1: trilogy the originals the Originals, because I, too many people's chagrin,

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Speaker 1: I will say, if you know anything about the house,

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Speaker 1: stuff works, family Slash, I heart media family. There are

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Speaker 1: some die hards in here. I mean true, true die hards.

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Speaker 1: Holly Fry was very very appointed in the fact that

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Speaker 1: I had never seen one of these. She was very

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Speaker 1: forgiving but disappointed. I made sure that I let her know, yes,

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Speaker 1: it quite a while. You know, it's been out there

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Speaker 1: They did a whole episode on the Holiday special and

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Speaker 1: Wars partner in crime, UM, and I asked her what

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Speaker 1: she could remember of Princess Leah as a kid, and

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Speaker 1: she wrote me back. I thought that she was beautiful.

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Speaker 1: I loved her white dress. I thought she was badass

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Speaker 1: and returned the Jedi. I loved when she was the

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Speaker 1: bounty hunter. I did think it has to mean for her.

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Speaker 1: I remember liking her voice and how precise she was

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Speaker 1: when she said her words. I hated the needles scene.

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Speaker 1: A needles seeing is very scary, yes, um. And we

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Speaker 1: have talked before about the importance of costuming in our

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Speaker 1: feminism of Star Wars episode. And I do think there's

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Speaker 1: something to be said for the fact that most of

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Speaker 1: her costumes are functional but also feminine. Don't worry. Yes,

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about the middle of the KINNI.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. Um. And I also forgot to mention

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Speaker 1: that in the original ending returned the Jedi handaes and

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Speaker 1: Luke becomes Darth Vader in orders the destruction of all

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Speaker 1: the rebellion and listeners. Just so you know, she did

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Speaker 1: tell me this during the movie viewing. Oh god, I

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Speaker 1: only recently found that out, and I blew my mind. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think there were so many things that you were

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Speaker 1: talking about, including the transition for loose outerwear, like this

447
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Speaker 1: is the best way to say, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.

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Speaker 1: So there was a lot of conversation that was had

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Speaker 1: between my partner and Annie, and there are so many

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Speaker 1: things that I'm like, I don't know what is happening,

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Speaker 1: but this nerd out is amazing from Afar and also annoying.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what to do right now. I'm both

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Speaker 1: impressed and annoyed. We're endearing but annoying. I it was

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Speaker 1: so endearing. I was like, oh, I love that they

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Speaker 1: have each other to talk about this, but what is happening, Well,

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Speaker 1: it's probably all the rest of this episode will go

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Speaker 1: so apolitics and advance. I did want to talk about

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Speaker 1: the cultural impact of Star Wars because this is something

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Speaker 1: that's been on my mind since we read Whiskey Ribbons

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Speaker 1: for a book club and there were all these Star

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Speaker 1: Wars references in it, and I got me to thinking

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Speaker 1: what it must be like to be a part of

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Speaker 1: something that big, where you could just be reading something

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Speaker 1: I never would have imagined there would be multiple Star

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Speaker 1: Wars references in that book. Um, where a character you

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Speaker 1: played or story or part of is just kind of ubiquitous.

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Speaker 1: And so I actually started making a graph keeping count

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Speaker 1: of all the Star Wars references I encounter every day

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Speaker 1: where I'm not like, not expecting to find them or

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Speaker 1: hear them. And it's between five and ten. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: make a chart and I'm going to post it is great.

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Speaker 1: So I got asked, it is three thirty today. We've

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Speaker 1: been recording since too. How many references thus far before

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Speaker 1: this six? Wow? Yeah, yeah, it's amazing. It really is

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Speaker 1: stunning how many It just pops up and I'm like, oh, hey,

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Speaker 1: there you go. Um I think it was dead Eye,

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Speaker 1: Dead Eye mine trick? Uh and is the last one

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Speaker 1: I heard today? Um? So, in case you somehow don't know,

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Speaker 1: Star Wars is the science fantasy space opera franchise created

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Speaker 1: by George Lucas of currently eleven movies, TV shows, books, comics, toys,

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Speaker 1: video games, theme parks, dedicated conventions, radio dramas, music parodies,

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Speaker 1: musical parities, allah weird out, and documentaries. It's been involved

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Speaker 1: in science politics, pretty much everything that you can imagine,

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Speaker 1: and inspired a massive fan community the memes. The memes

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Speaker 1: are cosplay. Fan fiction experts have written about our Wars

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Speaker 1: as an American mythology, inspiring people to create their own thing.

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Speaker 1: It's now owned by Disney and has an estimated net

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Speaker 1: worth of seventy billion dollars and holds the Guinness World

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Speaker 1: Record for most successful film merchandizing franchise. When the original

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Speaker 1: Chilgy came out, beginning with a New Hope in nineteen

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Speaker 1: seventy seven and followed by The Empire Strikes Back in

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty and Return of the Jedi in three it

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Speaker 1: changed Hollywood. It revolutionized special effects. I annoyed Samantha with

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Speaker 1: the paper I wrote in fifth grade all about the

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Speaker 1: secial effects of Star Wars and the Nike shoe that

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Speaker 1: they for some reason took out a Return of the Jedi.

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Speaker 1: She did mention when it was and where it was.

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Speaker 1: I was like, it was back there, and things like

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Speaker 1: industrial light and magic still around today came out of this,

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Speaker 1: and sound effects systems that we still use and for

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Speaker 1: better or worse, because you will find people that I

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Speaker 1: really think this was the end of cinema, the understanding

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Speaker 1: that you could make more form, more orchandizing than the

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Speaker 1: films themselves. It also introduced the idea of toy sets

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Speaker 1: and collectibles. It was the first blockbuster series. It started

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Speaker 1: the whole trend of having summer blockbuster releases. It modeled

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Speaker 1: the trilogy story structure and was the first to contain

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Speaker 1: many genres in one movie. The plot twist Uh and

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Speaker 1: the Empire Strikes Back as one of the most influential

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Speaker 1: plot twist in history, and a New Hope was the

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Speaker 1: first to surpass the three million dollar mark adjusted for inflation.

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Speaker 1: It's still one of the highest grossing movies of all time,

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Speaker 1: and it revitalized interest in space based entertainment, making way

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Speaker 1: for the Star Trek motion picture series and one of

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Speaker 1: my other faves that Smantha was also very patient with

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Speaker 1: me about alien Um, among so many other things. Some

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Speaker 1: comic experts say the popularity of the Star Wars comics

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Speaker 1: single handedly saved Marvel. It goes beyond that too. Harry

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Speaker 1: Potter was influenced by Star Wars so many things. Um,

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Speaker 1: they came out during a time when there was all

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Speaker 1: these feelings of hopelessness, and the stories of the time

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Speaker 1: reflected that the stories that people were watching in movie theaters,

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Speaker 1: but not Star Wars right. So again, by the way,

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Speaker 1: these are all any research things, and I just wanted

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Speaker 1: to be in here for a voice because her love

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Speaker 1: for it. There's no way I could ever imagine. So

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Speaker 1: from findango dot com and it's forty years of existence

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Speaker 1: as an entertainment property, it has also become a cultural

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Speaker 1: entity unlike any other, a phenomenon that has probably influenced

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Speaker 1: pop culture more than anything else in our time. Contributing

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Speaker 1: editor at Wired, Daniel ny Griffith's wrote, and maybe one

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Speaker 1: of a million universes does George Lucas combination of narrative

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Speaker 1: structure of a fairy tale with model making an aesthetic

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Speaker 1: of a downbeat, broken future sci fi movies of the

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Speaker 1: seventies even get made in one out of ability that

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Speaker 1: turns out to be the most successful independent creative enterprises

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Speaker 1: of all time. I think of that a lot, because

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Speaker 1: I know we all have heard the stories of the

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Speaker 1: actors coming on set and seeing like a walking trash

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Speaker 1: can and thinking out, my career is ruined. But you

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Speaker 1: told us about Harrison Ford trying to leave several times

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Speaker 1: and then coming back. Well, and it totally influenced the

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Speaker 1: plot of the movies. That's why the carbonite scene exists. Um,

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Speaker 1: I can see it like just all of these things

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Speaker 1: had to turn out correctly, and amazingly they did, or

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Speaker 1: else it could have been a very ridiculous little like

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Speaker 1: slop right. And by the way, during the movie, the

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Speaker 1: entirety of the time, while Annie was talking about this

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Speaker 1: is what was happening, this could have been what happened.

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Speaker 1: My partner was like, this is where they put c

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Speaker 1: G I AT backwards and they didn't need to do this,

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Speaker 1: and they made this. So it was a really interesting

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Speaker 1: context from a person who has ever seen it for

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Speaker 1: them to tell tell me how it changed. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: it's so we were watching the Disney Plus version um

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Speaker 1: and for people and they know like Star Wars has

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Speaker 1: been changed so many times, and I actually, I really

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Speaker 1: really want to see the original cuts without all the

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Speaker 1: changes so badly, and I think maybe it'll happen for

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Speaker 1: me soon, very sited uh. Former Wired dot Co UK

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Speaker 1: writer Michael Rundell wrote, I'm fascinated by Star Wars because

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Speaker 1: of what a world without Star Wars would look like.

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Speaker 1: No Star Wars means no Lucas Films or Lucas Arts.

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Speaker 1: Would there still be a golden age of video games

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Speaker 1: without Monkey Island, Full Thottle or Salmon Max. One of

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Speaker 1: the many incredible things about Star Wars is that every

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Speaker 1: time you think you've mapped out every aspect of how

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Speaker 1: different a world without Star Wars would be, you think

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Speaker 1: of something else. Fan are not. Star Wars is a

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Speaker 1: part of you, and you are a part of it.

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Speaker 1: Like the travels of Odysseus, the ravages of our ancient

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Speaker 1: meddlesome gods, the trials of Superman, and the heroic journeys

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Speaker 1: of Mario, you can't avoid it, right. The original trilogy

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Speaker 1: told the classic tale of good versus evil heroes journey

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Speaker 1: following Luke Skywalker Leah Organa in Han solo as they

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Speaker 1: fight the Evil Empire. They won numerous awards, including Oscars,

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Speaker 1: and regularly rank among the top ten movies of all

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Speaker 1: time across multiple publications and market surveys. Darth Vader is

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Speaker 1: one of the most memorable villains of all time. I

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Speaker 1: think it also has something to do with James Earl Jones,

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Speaker 1: absolutely for sure. And Luke Skywalker is so iconic that

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Speaker 1: he's often used to teach the hero's journey in school,

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Speaker 1: and it's used in child's psychotherapy to make things understandable

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Speaker 1: between both child and therapists, framing the force as self

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Speaker 1: healing and the child is Luke and themselves as obi one,

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Speaker 1: which is a really big assumption. It's supposed to be like,

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Speaker 1: one day you won't need me anymore and you will

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Speaker 1: be able to do this with the force on your own.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's true. Um okay, well, we have

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Speaker 1: a lot more to go over, oh my gosh, but

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Speaker 1: first we're gonna pause for a quick break for word

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Speaker 1: from our sponsor, and we're back. Thank you, sponsor. So

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Speaker 1: just a broad overview of some culture things you've got

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Speaker 1: when it comes to Star Wars. You've got sayings down worldwide,

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Speaker 1: even if people don't know where they come from, like

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Speaker 1: Jedi mind trick. You're my only hope. May the Force

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Speaker 1: be with you. I am y'all follow the Evil Empire,

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Speaker 1: and then you've got the holidays, May the Fourth be

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Speaker 1: with you and Revenge of the Fifth, which, by the way,

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Speaker 1: we watched four May the Fourth, Yes we did. It's

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Speaker 1: a celebration. It was a celebration for some um and

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Speaker 1: in two thousand one UK survey, almost four hundred thousand

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Speaker 1: people wrote in Jedi as their religion and making it

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Speaker 1: the fourth largest religion. Oh well, there's a church of

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Speaker 1: jeddi Ism and in Texas there's a registered Church of

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Speaker 1: jeddi Ism, which, by the way, are you part of

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Speaker 1: the no? I don't know if there's like a test second,

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Speaker 1: just checking Samantha um and then songs I always think

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Speaker 1: of for me, Run the Jewels, Skywalker talk because I'm

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Speaker 1: the real Darth Vader. I think that's from Banana Clipper

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Speaker 1: Bana clip Um Lutin Clan, Kanye West, BC Boys Linkinny

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Speaker 1: to Justin Bieber The Nerve Herders, which is a band

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Speaker 1: named after the Star Wars insult, and they played the

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Speaker 1: theme song for Buffy the Vampire Slayer. So you got

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Speaker 1: all these like musical references too, and the music itself

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Speaker 1: from the movie is amazing and iconic. Um many view

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Speaker 1: it as one of the best movie scores of all time.

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Speaker 1: I think we try to plot away to get that

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Speaker 1: Darth Vader slash Star like, like you know this is

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Speaker 1: gonna happen. Someone's gonna die soon. Yeah. I'm actually a

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Speaker 1: member of the John Williams fan club and I have

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Speaker 1: been since fifth grade that I know, so it obviously

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Speaker 1: also influenced art. Banksy has used Star Wars imagery in

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Speaker 1: his own art. Other movies have it replicated Star Wars

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Speaker 1: posters like National Lampoons Vacation and European Vacation. And in sports,

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Speaker 1: Major League Baseball gets in on May the Four celebrations,

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Speaker 1: encouraging costumes and theme to give their ways. I've definitely

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Speaker 1: been to those. The Yankees are known as the Evil

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Speaker 1: Empire during this and they play the Imperial March at

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Speaker 1: their home games. And then as you say that, I

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Speaker 1: can hear the song on my head even though I've

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Speaker 1: not watched the movie but once also in politics, so

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Speaker 1: the same year Return of the Jedi came out in

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Speaker 1: nine three. Star Wars got wrapped up in Reagan's Strategic

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Speaker 1: Defense initiative, which was a system of ground in space

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Speaker 1: based lasers and missiles meant to protect against a nuclear attack.

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Speaker 1: Critics called it Star Wars, which Reagan of course leaned into.

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Speaker 1: Reagan also called the USS are the Evil Empire, and

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Speaker 1: at one point the U. S Military had an idea

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Speaker 1: to create a First Earth battalion made up of folks

641
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Speaker 1: who could walk through walls, be invisible, see the future,

642
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Speaker 1: and killed goats with a look m and they were

643
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: called Jedi Warriors. I definitely couldn't let go of the

644
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: fact that every single bad guy had an odd Russian accent. Yeah, well,

645
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: it's funny too, because I love that Carrie Fisher was

646
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: able to joke about this herself later. But Leah has

647
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Speaker 1: kind of a strange English accent. In a New Hope

648
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: it goes away, um And yeah, even a few weeks ago,

649
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: this happened when Trump's campaign manager compared Trump's campaign to

650
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Speaker 1: the Death Star, seemingly not realizing that one, the Death

651
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: Star is bad and it's for the bad guys, and too,

652
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,919
Speaker 1: it always gets destroyed. Um. You got a very big

653
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Speaker 1: Star Wars schooling from the Internet for that and uh,

654
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back have been

655
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Speaker 1: added to the National Film Registry by the Library of

656
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Speaker 1: Congress for being quote culturally historically are aesthetically significant right

657
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Speaker 1: just their own like beginning montage with the writing the

658
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: script you know what that is? Um, and science. Star

659
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Speaker 1: Wars has played a role in actual science. For instance,

660
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 1: when well I am in correspondence appeared on CNN as holograms,

661
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: one of the correspondents said, it feels like I follow

662
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 1: in the tradition of Princess Leia. Bionic arms like those

663
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: supported by Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader. Some of them

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Speaker 1: are named after Luke Skywalker. Uh. A company out of

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Speaker 1: Hong Kong made a pretty spot on lightsaber. The military

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Speaker 1: is working on a T a T like machines, which

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Speaker 1: are the big snow creature things that they knock over

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Speaker 1: with their harpoons. Um. Yeah, I just call them the

669
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Speaker 1: monster things. I got you, I got you, Samantha. Uh.

670
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Speaker 1: And then there's a death star bug zapper right. In

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Speaker 1: the popular Smithsonian Star Wars exhibits. Star Wars The Magic

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00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: of Myth lives online and the millennium Falcon was the

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Speaker 1: inspiration by the name of Elon Musk's Falcon series lauge vehicles,

674
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Speaker 1: which yes, you could absolutely see that in and several

675
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 1: organisms have been named after Star Wars terms and characters. So, okay,

676
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,399
Speaker 1: it's a big deal, that's what we're trying to say,

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00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: mostly me and Samantha supporting me. Um. It's not without

678
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: its faults. Obviously, there's hardly mean people of color, like

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00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 1: it's pretty much the only woman in the regionals and

680
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 1: that isn't much better in the prequels sexualization. There's definitely

681
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: talks about fandom. I think it might be one of

682
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: the most toxic fandoms UM. And we've talked about that

683
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: before specifically now in a lot of mostly men, feel

684
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: that the new ones are made by social justice warriors

685
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: with the social justice warrior agenda. UM. Some cinophiles, do

686
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 1: you feel like it ruined cinema forever because we pivoted

687
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: away from what in their mind is artistic films too,

688
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: movies that make a lot of money for children. Um.

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Speaker 1: But in a lot of ways it connected with so

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00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: so many of us and for a lot of girls

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00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: and women Princess Leia specifically was a feminist icon, and

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Speaker 1: we'll get into that after a quick break for word

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Speaker 1: from our sponsor, and we're back. Thank you, sponsor. So

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Speaker 1: that's finally arrived, Princess Leiah, and thank you for letting

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Speaker 1: me indulge in my Start Wars fandom and continue, because

696
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: just like you can't separate that out the influence of

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Speaker 1: Star Wars from our culture, you really cannot separate the

698
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Speaker 1: enormous influence of Princess Leiah on our culture and the

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00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 1: influence she had on countless other fictional characters, from Ellen

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Speaker 1: Ripley to Hermione and Granger to Captness Everdeen, so many

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Speaker 1: um so general sketch of her. Leah Organa is the

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Speaker 1: princess of the planet Alderan, a member of the Imperial Senate,

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Speaker 1: and the leader of the Rebel Alliance. This is all

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Speaker 1: by the time she's nineteen, just a f y I

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Speaker 1: according to George Lucas. She also has the Star Wars

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Speaker 1: equivalent of a pH d uh huh. Through the series,

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Speaker 1: we learned that she has the twin sister of Luke

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Speaker 1: Skywalker and daughter of Darth Vader. She was raised by

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Speaker 1: Senator Bail Organa and Queen Brea Organa. She goes on

710
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Speaker 1: in the new trilogy to found the Resistance as a

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00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: general against the First Order. She was played by Carrie

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Speaker 1: Fisher and the character has appeared in many books, comic

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Speaker 1: television shows, games, and she has gone on to become

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Speaker 1: iconic the cinnamon bun hair style, which George Lucas attributes

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Speaker 1: to a hair style of female Mexican revolutionaries of the

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Speaker 1: metal bikini, and has been adopted by many as a

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Speaker 1: feminist icon. She's been parodied, celebrated, and appeared on staffs

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Speaker 1: in the US and the UK, and she's appeared on

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Speaker 1: all sorts of merchandizing in all sorts of merchandizing. After

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Speaker 1: Disney acquired Star Wars, they had to backtrack a statement

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Speaker 1: that there were no plans for Princess Leia merchandise after

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Speaker 1: it caused so much backlash, so much backlash. Um, there's

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Speaker 1: still not as much as there should be, but um.

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Speaker 1: Carrie Fisher allegedly was told she had to lose ten

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Speaker 1: pounds for the role, which is gross and totally still happens.

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Speaker 1: For the new series, she was reportedly pressured to lose

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Speaker 1: thirty five pounds. I've been told something like this more

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Speaker 1: than once. So this is still absolutely a thing. Oh,

729
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Speaker 1: absolutely agism And then of course wait in all those

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Speaker 1: things and race um and Fisher has spoke openly about

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Speaker 1: how she regrets signing away her likeness, which wasn't really

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Speaker 1: a thing at the time. She told the Daily Base,

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Speaker 1: there's no merchandizing Tied two movies. No one could have

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Speaker 1: known the extent of the franchise. Not that I don't

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Speaker 1: think I'm cute or anything, but when I look in

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Speaker 1: the mirror, I didn't think I was signing away anything

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Speaker 1: of value. Lately, I feel like I'm minnimouth. The identity

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Speaker 1: of Princess Leiah so eclipsed any other identity that I've

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Speaker 1: ever had. Yes, I could see that. Yeah, that sounds

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Speaker 1: like she lost a lot of money. Oh yeah. She

741
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Speaker 1: She even said like she's kind of very I don't know,

742
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Speaker 1: good natured, but you know, she's got her classic funny

743
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Speaker 1: view on it. But she said, she said, if she

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Speaker 1: found out that Dadly Apartment was making merchandizing, she'd be

745
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:52,240
Speaker 1: really mad for cooing amidala um. Leia's part diplomat, spy,

746
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:58,240
Speaker 1: soldier leader. She's passionate, she's carrying brash, loud, strong, defiant, assertive, angry, snarky,

747
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: not afraid to speak her mind and fight for what's right.

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Speaker 1: She first appeared as Yeah, nineteen year old in a

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Speaker 1: New Hope in a virginal floor length address that's absence

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Speaker 1: of cleavage, although Fisher recounted George Lucas telling her not

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Speaker 1: to wear a bra with it because quote, there is

752
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: no underwear in space, because your body expands but your

753
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: broad does not, and it would strangle you. So Fisher

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00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 1: used to joke she wanted it reported that. However, she died. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it should be reported I drowned in moonlight, strangled by

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Speaker 1: my own brawl. Um. And that was a very popular

757
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: tweet after she did die. Um. It's immediately established that

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00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: Princess Leiah is not going to shy away from a blaster,

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00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 1: and later we find out that her actions at the

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Speaker 1: beginning of the movie saved the entire rebellion. This the

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00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: only force that was opposing the empire. She is captured

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Speaker 1: by the intimidating Darth Vader, but stands up to him

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Speaker 1: and withstands. His torture doesn't reveal anything, so she used damsel,

764
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Speaker 1: but she's still fighting and she's still making these snarky comments.

765
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Speaker 1: And when she is ascued, she pretty quickly takes charge.

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Speaker 1: She literally takes the blaster from Luke's hands and comes

767
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Speaker 1: up with a plan to get them out, jumping into

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Speaker 1: a smelly, disgusting garbage disposal, which is hardly a traditional

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Speaker 1: princess decision. She also immediately sees through Luke and the

770
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Speaker 1: stormtrooper get up. When he says he's here to rescue you,

771
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: she's like, Nah, is very unimpressed with him, and they're

772
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: poorly thought out escape plan. And I do love thinking

773
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Speaker 1: about like Luke, who's bringing is full of adventures, envisions

774
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Speaker 1: himself as the hero coming to save the beautiful princess.

775
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: He says he's here to rescue her, and she's like,

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00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:42,240
Speaker 1: excuse me, you're who now, kind of immediately shutting him down. Um.

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Speaker 1: And I also love that her leadership in general isn't

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Speaker 1: questioned as a woman, Like it's never like, oh, we

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Speaker 1: shouldn't listen to her because she's a woman. It's more

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Speaker 1: Han being like, I don't listen to anybody, um right.

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00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 1: I do like the back and forth with Han and

782
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 1: the Han being and like, what what's happening? Who are

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00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 1: you what's happening? So before that happens, her planet is

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Speaker 1: destroyed by the Death Star to make a statement, and

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00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my, yeah, they blew up a planet,

786
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: which has happened, um And in an instant she loses

787
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Speaker 1: her family, her friends, her stuff, her home and this

788
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: could have destroyed her, but it didn't. Alissa Rosenberg at

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00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: The Washington Post wrote about her, Leiah's nerves as a

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00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: revolutionary are clear from the moment she arrives on the screen.

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00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: She takes shots at the stormtroopers boarding her ship, it

792
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Speaker 1: gets stunned with a blaster in her hand, then has

793
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: the audacity to try to make Darth Vader feel ashamed

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Speaker 1: of himself. She has enough energy left over after a

795
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,439
Speaker 1: nasty session of torture to insult Grandmoth Tarken. And while

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00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: she grieves when her home planet all around, is destroyed

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00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: by the desk Star, Leia is not paralyzed when her

798
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 1: unexpected rescuers show up. She's ready to go and to

799
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Speaker 1: gripe about their operational sloppiness. And then she went on right.

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Speaker 1: Leiah wasn't just the first great heroine of science fiction

801
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: and fantasy to capture my imagination. She was one of

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Speaker 1: the first characters I encountered whose power came from her

803
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: political conviction an acumen. So when Hans, Jerry, and Luke

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00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 1: do arrive to rescue her, she pretty much instantly assert

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Speaker 1: her authority and she um. This leads to conflict between

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Speaker 1: her and Han Solo, who isn't used to having someone

807
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: tell him what to do. He calls her sweetheart, but

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00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: Leah is totally impervious to his attempts to take control.

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Speaker 1: She also proves she's got more savvy and less bravado

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Speaker 1: than Han after they escape and she surmises their being

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Speaker 1: tracked by the Empire who let them go, and Hans like, no,

812
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Speaker 1: not this ship never because he's too cocky to admit it. Um,

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00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,439
Speaker 1: she's right, he's wrong. Despite the tragedy she's gone through,

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00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: she assumes leadership in rebellion and also look Lucas McCreesh,

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Speaker 1: I know he's had a rough time. Leiah comforts him

816
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: after Obi one dies, but Lea just lost her home

817
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Speaker 1: planet and she knew Obi want to by the way,

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00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,720
Speaker 1: uh and we never get to see her grieve. And Okay,

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Speaker 1: I know people like to fight about this because I

820
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: said it on another show, and man um that she

821
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: grieved off screen and Luke did lose his guardians, which

822
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: was very sad and traumatic. I agree, but but it

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Speaker 1: was also very quickly passed by. Wait that was it? Yeah.

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Speaker 1: He kind of just as like, well, I'm leaving now, um,

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Speaker 1: And I don't judge people for how they grieve. That's

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00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: totally cool. UM just saying, uh, you know, we don't

827
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Speaker 1: get to see your grief because I guess it's not

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Speaker 1: technically her story. It's explored some of the in the

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Speaker 1: Extended Universe legends. I will say the wout the movie.

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Speaker 1: She takes everything with like okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, let

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Speaker 1: me keep going. Like that was like very much like that.

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Speaker 1: Seems like she should be a pause of some sort. Well,

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about that more in a minute. Well, now

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about with that more in part two, because

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00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 1: a lot of people gripe about the return of the

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Speaker 1: Jedi reveal. Um. I see her as someone who takes

837
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: things and stride right. But anyway, also of the characters,

838
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: Lay perhaps has the least of an arc, and a

839
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: part of that is she is the most sure of

840
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: in herself and her calling. When we're introduced to her,

841
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: Her biggest thing is learning to accept that she has

842
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: needs and wants on a personal level and embracing those things.

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00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: Han and Luke have a lot of growing up to do,

844
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Speaker 1: and Leia is instrumental in that for both of them.

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Speaker 1: Even at the heart of it, she influences Luke and

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Speaker 1: Hand to become a part of the rebellion. She's already

847
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Speaker 1: a hero when we meet her, Um, and she influences

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Speaker 1: them to become heroes too. She does often serve as

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Speaker 1: then the first two is the potential romantic interest for

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Speaker 1: both of them. Um. She's more developed and interesting a

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Speaker 1: character than perhaps her traditional love interest, but there is

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Speaker 1: still an element of that. All right, So new hoping

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Speaker 1: is big explosion, dest star, Happy, pure are your medals.

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Speaker 1: Then we move on to The Empire Strikes Back, in

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Speaker 1: which Leiah is a prominent leader of the rebellion who

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Speaker 1: stays behind to the very last second to make sure

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Speaker 1: everyone is safely evacuated off of the snow plane it off.

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Speaker 1: We see her relationship with Han, and in today's context,

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Speaker 1: it's a little cringe e um, just because he's so

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Speaker 1: pushy and doesn't take no for an answer. Uh, I

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Speaker 1: definitely want to return to the whole nice men's scoundrel

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Speaker 1: trope that plays out here. And it is kind of

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Speaker 1: funny that she's trying to manage all of all of

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Speaker 1: And I know the stakes are high because he's basically

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Speaker 1: trying to get her to admit he wants him to

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Speaker 1: say her he's gonna leave. But anyway, there's a definite

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Speaker 1: unthawed the ice queen vibe too. And Lando was pretty

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Speaker 1: flirty with her, although Lando is the type flirts with everyone.

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Speaker 1: My friend and I have an ongoing argument about whether

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Speaker 1: or not he had sex at the Millennium Falcing weigh

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Speaker 1: in on that if you would like or don't, you're

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Speaker 1: just gonna say that's the first thing she saw, it

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Speaker 1: said when he arrived, and I was like, I don't

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Speaker 1: know what's happening, but we had like an hour fless

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Speaker 1: long argument about it. Oh, and Lando is also trying

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Speaker 1: to make sure they don't get win that Vader's there,

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Speaker 1: so he's trying to endear himself to them. But uh,

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Speaker 1: we do see another instance of a woman sensing that

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Speaker 1: something is wrong and being dismissed when Lana voices her

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Speaker 1: concerns about Lando's trustworthiness. Um, Han land Chewy are captured

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Speaker 1: and tortured by Darth Vader that you only really see

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Speaker 1: Hans torture and I guess Chubaco with a loud sound thing.

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Speaker 1: Wait in the gold dude, old man gets blasted apart. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was like, what is what? Did no one notice

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Speaker 1: that Chubaka did? He did? He did? He came back

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Speaker 1: and Lead did too. Han was the one that was like,

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Speaker 1: um and then we have the famous I love you,

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Speaker 1: I know exchange. So there are so many ways to

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Speaker 1: interpret this, but one is that in the face of

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Speaker 1: hans death, she admits something she knew, She made him

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Speaker 1: doubt that she loves him, and he acknowledges his understanding

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Speaker 1: her fear of intimacy and accepts it as a kid.

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Speaker 1: I always saw it as Hans Solos two afraid to

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Speaker 1: say it in front of all these soldiers and Darth Vader.

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Speaker 1: But you know, multiple ways to interpret those those lines.

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Speaker 1: Some people take issue with the fact that Han asked

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Speaker 1: you to take care of her when clearly she can

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Speaker 1: do it herself, while others see those words as meant

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Speaker 1: to comfort Chewi, to give him something to you, to

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Speaker 1: calm him down. Um. When Lando frees them, Leah takes

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Speaker 1: charge of the ultimately failed attempt to save Han and

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Speaker 1: does save Luke after sensing his call for help. And

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Speaker 1: would you get to see her pilot the Millennium fucking

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Speaker 1: which is cool? Yeah, yeah, it was very cool. Um,

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Speaker 1: I think I'm not gonna lie. I was very confused

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Speaker 1: about what was happening, and you made sure to let

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Speaker 1: me know that this is where Harrison fords it, I'm

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Speaker 1: not coming back, so they had to have a possibility

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Speaker 1: of just ending him or allowing him to come back. Well,

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Speaker 1: the only reason he came back to Return of the

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Speaker 1: then they didn't do it. There you go. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to end it here with the end

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Speaker 1: of part one, our heroes, your heroes, the heroes, how

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Speaker 1: about that, are battered and separated and in part two, yes, y'all,

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Speaker 1: after an hour of this lengthy discussion, there is a

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Speaker 1: part two and it's about the Return of the Jedi

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Speaker 1: and the infamous Metal Bikini, which is the one thing

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Speaker 1: that I know, and the feminism of Princess Leiah and

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Speaker 1: of the Fourth in general. Yes, so we'll leave you

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Speaker 1: on a cliffhanger, just like those lucky viewers that got

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Speaker 1: to see Empire Strikes Back and didn't know what happened

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Speaker 1: in Return of the Jedi. So look out for that

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Speaker 1: episode in the meantime. If you want to email as

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Speaker 1: you can, Our email is Stuff Media mom Stuff at

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Speaker 1: Instagram at Stuff I've Never Told You or on Twitter

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Speaker 1: at Momster Podcast. Thanks as always to your superproducer Andrew Howard,

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Speaker 1: and thanks to you for listening Stuff I've Never Told

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