1 00:00:15,356 --> 00:00:25,956 Speaker 1: Pushkin. It all started with two federal agents who heard 2 00:00:25,996 --> 00:00:26,476 Speaker 1: a rumor. 3 00:00:28,316 --> 00:00:31,836 Speaker 2: She mentions, well, there is this alleged murder to have 4 00:00:31,916 --> 00:00:32,556 Speaker 2: taken place. 5 00:00:35,356 --> 00:00:40,116 Speaker 1: Supposedly, this happened fifteen years prior, right before senior prom 6 00:00:40,396 --> 00:00:45,316 Speaker 1: Two teenagers, self proclaimed skinheads, drove to Philadelphia and killed 7 00:00:45,316 --> 00:00:48,676 Speaker 1: a black man. One was behind the wheel, the other 8 00:00:48,716 --> 00:00:52,716 Speaker 1: pulled the trigger. The agents wondered, could they track the 9 00:00:52,796 --> 00:00:56,276 Speaker 1: driver down and get him to talk. I'm thinking nobody 10 00:00:56,316 --> 00:00:56,756 Speaker 1: does that. 11 00:00:57,236 --> 00:00:59,356 Speaker 3: Nobody wants to talk to their least favorite FBI and 12 00:00:59,396 --> 00:01:02,476 Speaker 3: ATF agent in the world about a homicide they didn't commit. 13 00:01:03,516 --> 00:01:06,196 Speaker 1: But even if they got this guy to talk, they 14 00:01:06,276 --> 00:01:07,436 Speaker 1: had a bigger problem. 15 00:01:07,916 --> 00:01:11,796 Speaker 4: They had these details, but they didn't actually have a 16 00:01:11,836 --> 00:01:12,876 Speaker 4: body to go with it. 17 00:01:13,156 --> 00:01:18,436 Speaker 1: How unusual was that to have someone say, hey, we 18 00:01:18,276 --> 00:01:20,596 Speaker 1: we we're pretty certain there's a murder, we have a confession. 19 00:01:20,636 --> 00:01:22,196 Speaker 4: We just we got no body. 20 00:01:24,636 --> 00:01:25,956 Speaker 2: That's rather unusual. 21 00:01:27,476 --> 00:01:31,076 Speaker 1: So how do you solve a crime in reverse when 22 00:01:31,116 --> 00:01:33,796 Speaker 1: you think you know who the murderer is but have 23 00:01:34,076 --> 00:01:36,076 Speaker 1: no clue who the victim was. 24 00:01:36,876 --> 00:01:39,596 Speaker 2: We have to do our job and we have to 25 00:01:39,796 --> 00:01:45,956 Speaker 2: find out who did they kill? If possible, how are 26 00:01:45,956 --> 00:01:46,556 Speaker 2: we going to do that? 27 00:01:48,396 --> 00:01:52,036 Speaker 1: Their investigation leads them to a family who's also searching 28 00:01:52,076 --> 00:01:56,796 Speaker 1: for answers and for justice. 29 00:01:57,076 --> 00:02:00,796 Speaker 4: I used to watch the Unsolved Mischievy shows and I 30 00:02:00,956 --> 00:02:05,076 Speaker 4: often thought about calling because I was like, this, this 31 00:02:05,156 --> 00:02:08,036 Speaker 4: is not right. How can a person get killed and 32 00:02:08,116 --> 00:02:09,476 Speaker 4: no one knows any thing. 33 00:02:11,596 --> 00:02:16,276 Speaker 1: Fifteen years is a long time. Evidence vanishes, memories fade, 34 00:02:16,756 --> 00:02:21,796 Speaker 1: witnesses slip away. But the questions linger, is the rumor true? 35 00:02:22,476 --> 00:02:26,276 Speaker 1: Is this really something two teenagers did? And is it 36 00:02:26,396 --> 00:02:29,196 Speaker 1: still possible to unearth the truth? 37 00:02:30,276 --> 00:02:32,476 Speaker 3: I think she was trying to get answers. I feel 38 00:02:32,516 --> 00:02:36,036 Speaker 3: like she was, you know, still heartbroken. A body now 39 00:02:36,076 --> 00:02:38,836 Speaker 3: in a criminal case. The prosecution side of the story, 40 00:02:38,876 --> 00:02:41,396 Speaker 3: they have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. As to 41 00:02:41,476 --> 00:02:43,876 Speaker 3: the defense side of the story, we just have to 42 00:02:43,956 --> 00:02:47,516 Speaker 3: create reasonable doubt. But we did way more than that. 43 00:02:48,276 --> 00:02:49,956 Speaker 1: Was definitely a different type of case. 44 00:02:50,356 --> 00:02:54,316 Speaker 3: A skinhead coming to Philadelphia to kill somebody. 45 00:02:54,556 --> 00:02:55,636 Speaker 1: A cowardly act. 46 00:02:56,156 --> 00:02:59,996 Speaker 3: When it all boils down to it, a cowardly act. 47 00:03:00,356 --> 00:03:04,476 Speaker 4: We didn't like the speculation the family, and I thought 48 00:03:04,476 --> 00:03:07,836 Speaker 4: that this would be good if we found these what 49 00:03:07,996 --> 00:03:10,396 Speaker 4: happened to them. Can't do nothing about it, can't bring 50 00:03:10,436 --> 00:03:12,716 Speaker 4: them back. But at least we'll find out the truth. 51 00:03:20,556 --> 00:03:23,796 Speaker 1: I'm Jake Alburn and this is Deep Cover Season four, 52 00:03:24,556 --> 00:03:29,516 Speaker 1: The Nameless Man, coming April twenty second from Pushkin Industries. 53 00:03:39,996 --> 00:03:43,036 Speaker 1: Subscribe to Pushkin Plus to hear the whole season early 54 00:03:43,356 --> 00:03:46,396 Speaker 1: and add free. Find Pushkin Plus on the deep Cover 55 00:03:46,516 --> 00:03:51,036 Speaker 1: show page in Apple Podcasts, where at pushkin, dot Fm, 56 00:03:51,076 --> 00:03:54,396 Speaker 1: slash plus,