1 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 1: Wait. Welcome you into the Cross Country Mortgage Campus in Barrea, Ohio, 2 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:16,080 Speaker 1: home of the Cleveland Browns. Episode fifteen of the Best 3 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 1: podcast Available, presented by Cross Country Mortgage. I'm Jason Gibbs 4 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: alongside Andrew Gribble. Coming up in just a few minutes, 5 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: you'll hear from Nathan Szigura and Brown's offensive coordinator Alex 6 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: van Peltz on what he's seen through the Browns offense 7 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: here through the first two weeks of O T A 8 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: S and of course through the offseason workouts. Gribbs the 9 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: big news of the week, in addition to week two 10 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: of ot AS officially being in the books, the Browns 11 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,319 Speaker 1: signing tight end David and Joku to a five year 12 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 1: extension through the twenty five year old hundred forty eight 13 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: career receptions over seventeen hundred yards fifteen touchdowns, had a 14 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: really good year last year. The Browns reward that and 15 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: the pots central again that they continue to see in 16 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,839 Speaker 1: him is verified here by the contract extension. Yeah, definitely 17 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 1: a very forward thinking contract. And I think that of 18 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: all those numbers you just rattled off, the big one 19 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 1: is that he's only twenty five, and I think some 20 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: of the best tight ends in the league right now 21 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: at Travis Kelsey, uh, and guys like that they're in 22 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: their thirties. I mean, this is a position where you 23 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: truly do grow into it. And I think when you 24 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: heard from him at the press conference, he talked about 25 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 1: kind of the love he has for for blocking now 26 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: and then that's kind of becoming a complete tight end. 27 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: And then it's hard to avoid this, but you you 28 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: wonder it's it's what does he become in an offense 29 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: with DeShawn Watson at quarterback and clearly as the number 30 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: one option. I think it's it's like when you see 31 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: plays like the one he made against the Chargers last year, 32 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: the seventy five year of touchdown catch, It's like, how 33 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: do you get the guy the ball more? And I 34 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: think that's gonna be something that you think about, like 35 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: how do you get him as a as a regular 36 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: in your passing game more consistently uh than the team 37 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: has done in the past, saying you've seen the flashes 38 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: And I think now it's it's making a more consistent thing. 39 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: Where early in his career he might have been a 40 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: liability as a blocker, I don't think he is that anymore. 41 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: Uh and now you can get him fully involved in 42 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: the offense and not really split in time with with 43 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: guys like Hooper and Brian out there. Yeah, you mentioned that. 44 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: Alex Van Pelt talked about it in his press conference 45 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 1: earlier in the week about how impressed he has been 46 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 1: with n Joku embracing that blocking tight end roll. But 47 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: now he becomes really a primary UH ball catcher for 48 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: this football team with a young wide receiver room and 49 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: a new quarterback in Deshaun Watson. Some real opportunities here 50 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: gonna happen in the passing game for David and joking. 51 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: And he's clearly the most talented and arguably maybe the 52 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: most productive tight end that Deshaun Watson has gotten to 53 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: work with. And Deshaun's gotten some great production of guys 54 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: like Darren Fells went over from Cleveland to there and 55 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: then had one of his best seasons of his entire career. 56 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: So a guy that can become a quarterback's best friend 57 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: and someone that you know, Najoku is someone who will 58 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: be matched up with linebackers and things like that, and 59 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: Deshaun can extend some plays and you want to see 60 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: what Najoku can do on those kind of plays and 61 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:59,519 Speaker 1: make some some special plays happen. It's just a guy 62 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: that has that that size in the red zone, the 63 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: speed in the open field, everything you want in that 64 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: tight end position. You just want to see him getting 65 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: the ball more and making those catches on a on 66 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: a more consistent basis. But I think last year you 67 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: saw it in Spurts. I mean that was you saw 68 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 1: some of the best plays of David Dajoker's career last year. Yeah, 69 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: the sky is the limit that year old. Again, a 70 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 1: five year extension that will take him through. So happy 71 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: to see it get done. And again, the primary reason 72 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: that you put the franchise tag on a player is 73 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: to buy you a little more time to to negotiate 74 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: a deal like this. Yeah, and it's it's one of 75 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: those where we saw a bunch of tight ends get 76 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: the franchise tag, and it's I think this is a 77 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: contract that will kind of show you where the market 78 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: is going for tight ends because there's just it's a 79 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: it's a supply issue right now. There's not a lot 80 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: of guys out there, and there's a lot of teams 81 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: that want to play two or three tight ends, and 82 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: you've got to get these guys on on the team, 83 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: and you want to keep the good ones that you have. 84 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: So I think David's contract, wherever it ranks him now 85 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: in the league, he's probably gonna move down a few 86 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: spots because there's PROBA again, There's probably gonna be an 87 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: explosion in this market. There's guys like Darren Waller out 88 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: there who set for for a big for a big 89 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: pay day, and guys like the salaries are gonna kee 90 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: getting higher and higher. I think the guy the names 91 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: escaping me. But the Panthers signed a tight end this 92 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: this offseason that I had frankly never heard of, and 93 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: it was and it was at a number of like 94 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: seven or eight million a year. And it's so that's 95 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 1: that's where this market is going right now for a 96 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: position where there's just not a lot of players that 97 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 1: can do it. Week two of O t A S 98 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: officially in the books, UH Miles Garrett addressed the media, UH, 99 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 1: David and Joeku addressed the media, and our three coordinators 100 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: Mike Preefer, special teams coordinator, UH, offensive coinator alexand Pelt 101 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator Joe Woods. UH addressed the media all on Wednesday, 102 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 1: Mike Preefer. The trade the positioned the Browns to take 103 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 1: Kade York left him with tears streaming down his face. 104 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: I think might be one of the biggest takeaways from 105 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: the day. But the coordinators all seem to be in 106 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: a pretty good place with where this team is so far. Yeah, 107 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: you know, honestly, I thought I'd be weird bringing this up, 108 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: but I thought pre first press conference was the most 109 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: revealing of the of the three in terms of he 110 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: feels really good about maybe his two most important positions 111 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: in a way that we've not heard him speak. Where 112 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: it's got his guy at kicker and Kate York, and 113 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 1: he's got his guy at returner and Jachim Grant, who 114 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: I think that we haven't talked about him a ton 115 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: of this offseason, but there's some really high expectations for him, 116 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 1: and he has some really high expectations for himself because 117 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: he thinks he can put up some some big numbers 118 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: and big return numbers and put this give this group 119 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 1: a consistent threat, not only in you know, he can 120 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: catch the ball and hold onto it, but he can 121 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: make big plays, and I think that's something this team 122 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: is sorely lacked. Really for years now, and I think 123 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: if you can have him back there is a consistent 124 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: threat it can really take the special teams to another level. 125 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: So pre for it just seems like it's in maybe 126 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 1: the best place in terms of feeling good about the 127 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: guys he's got in the in the most key spots 128 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: right now. The one position group that I think is 129 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: we get closer to training camp that's going to be 130 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: the most fascinating to watch would be at the cornerback 131 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: position and M. J Emerson, Greedy Williams, Greg Newsome, uh 132 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: Denzel Award, Who's gonna play where, Who's going to get 133 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: the playing time? Joe Woods said that there is a 134 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: place on this team for Greedy Williams, who has had 135 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: an outstanding offseason. Uh M j Emerson gives them a 136 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: lot of flexibility and then does Newsom play inside or outside? 137 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: This is quickly becoming the position one of the few 138 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 1: positions I think on this team that are really going 139 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 1: to be scrutinized as we get into camp. Yeah, and 140 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: it's just Newsome is probably the front owner for that 141 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 1: slot position because he's got the experience there. He got 142 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: cross trained there last year, had to play at some 143 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: last year as well, and then you look at the 144 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: other options and you're like, I haven't played much slot, 145 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: and so you start to deduce that that's maybe the 146 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 1: role that this is going. And then the fact that 147 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 1: Greedy is coming off his best year with the Browns 148 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: and I think has done everything right going into his 149 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 1: fourth year with the team. I mean, he's someone that 150 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: should be viewed as a legitimate threat to be starting 151 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 1: out there. And I think he's someone that remember, second 152 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,239 Speaker 1: round pick, super talented guy, get bit by the injury 153 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 1: bug early in his career, but played in all but 154 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 1: one game last year, and I think he was someone 155 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: that that really played solid football for this team and 156 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: really stepped up when they needed it when there was 157 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: a bunch of injuries of that position. Uh, the defense, 158 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: Speaking of that, a little bonding time coming for the defense. 159 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: The offense went to the Bahamas a few weeks ago. 160 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: We did not get the invite, nor did we get 161 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: the invite for the defense, and the defensive trip to 162 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: South Beach led by Miles Garrett. The defense getting away 163 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: and getting some team bonding in here this weekend. Yeah, 164 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: it'll be interesting. You don't see these too often with 165 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: defensive players. You see it with like with what Deshaun 166 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: did with the offense, see that all the time around 167 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: the league. This one, I'm just curious see what it 168 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: even looks like? What what what kind of drills are 169 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: they doing? Did they bring in a dummy offense to 170 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: put them through some some kind of situations that that 171 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: is what I'm most curious about, DoD They did they 172 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: recruit some high school players or anything like that to 173 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: run them through some situations. Offense you see running against 174 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: air a lot. You don't see the defense running against 175 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: their all that often. So I'm I'm curious see how 176 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: this looks. Maybe we'll see some phone videos leaked of 177 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: of this kind of sting and I can tell you 178 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: the offense while we watched them on the golf course 179 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: and a few other pictures. Uh, they really did get 180 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: in some quality work down in the Bahamas. I would 181 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: expect with Miles Garrett leading the charge, that will continue 182 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: for the defense, they'll find a way to make this work. 183 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: It's gonna be warm and it's gonna be good to 184 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: get that group back together. And it's it's a group 185 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: that a lot of returning players, a lot of familiarity 186 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: on that defense. And especially with Clowney coming back as well. 187 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: It's good to see that group back together, and I 188 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: think they've got high expectations after how they finished last season. Alright, 189 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: week two of O t as in the book, we 190 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: have one more week of O t A s four 191 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: practices next week and then three days mandatory mini camp, 192 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: and then we're dismissed for summer vacation and next stop 193 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: is training camp. Offensively, this is a passing camp, per 194 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,079 Speaker 1: Alex van pelt He said, by the time this is 195 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: all said and done, three hundred fifty passes versus live reps. 196 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: Not too shabby. For more on how the offense has 197 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: progressed this offseason, Alex van Peltz just sits down with 198 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 1: Nathan sagirl, have a watch and have a listen here 199 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: with Brown's offensive coordinator Alex van pelt and coach two 200 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: weeks of the O t A s now in the books. 201 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: How's this offense coming along? Still growing? That's the good news. 202 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: You know. We've had good days, we've had some rough days. Um. 203 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: You know, for the quarterback room, it's all new stuff. Um. 204 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: The most encouraging part is we don't make the same 205 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: mistakes twice so now this is the second time we've 206 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: gone through these installations. We should be getting better in 207 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: his shows today. You talked about it in your press conference. 208 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: This is a passing camp. You want to get maybe 209 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: three fifty reps on defense. Well, guess what, we have 210 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 1: a pretty good back seven. So are you getting a 211 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: lot of good looks and a lot of good work 212 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: against good competition? Oh, there's no question. Let that back 213 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: end for those guys. I mean there's they're talented. They're 214 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: really four deep at corner. Even more, the safety plays exceptional. Um, 215 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: their disguise has been really good so far in these 216 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: o t s. The challenge for the quarterback room, Uh 217 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: talk about to shun. What have you seen from here 218 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: here in these first two weeks O t s Very impressive. 219 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: I mean the skill sets phenomenal. I mean they can 220 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: make every throw in the field from all different body positions. 221 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: It's fun to watch his accuracy stands out. Um. You know, 222 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: the the arm strength is another uh characteristic that you're like, wow, 223 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: you know he can he can put it in the 224 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: windows that close quickly. So that's really good. So just 225 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: getting him, um to catch up and learn as quickly 226 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: as he can but when he when he sees it 227 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 1: and he fires it, it's it's pretty and it feels 228 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: like it's quick once he makes the decision to throw 229 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: it is not a lot of body motion. It feels 230 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: like it comes out very quick. It comes out quick 231 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,559 Speaker 1: with great velocity. So those windows they have a hard 232 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,079 Speaker 1: time closing on his ball he talked about he reminds 233 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: you in some ways of Aaron Rodners. In what ways 234 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: were of those? His mobility? I think his ability to 235 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 1: make plays outside the pocket and throw off platform. Um, 236 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: you know, quarterbacks should be able to make plays when 237 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 1: and everything is perfect at this level. Uh, it's when 238 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: things break down that we have to be great. And 239 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of characteristics of Aaron in 240 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: Deshaun's game when things break down. One thing I've noticed, 241 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:50,319 Speaker 1: I've talked some other people out here. It feels like 242 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: the middle of the field is back. That we're throwing 243 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: the ball to the middle field attacking it much more 244 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: than perhaps we have in the past. What does that 245 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:57,319 Speaker 1: do for the offense? Oh, you know, you got to 246 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: defend the whole field at that point, so you're not 247 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,319 Speaker 1: just working outside the bers. You gotta defend the whole field. 248 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: That makes us a better offense. What's kind of the 249 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: evolution you want to see? Given the skill set you mentioned, 250 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: the mobility that he brings the table, how does that 251 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: evolve this offense? Uh, you know we're gonna we're gonna 252 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 1: extend plays. You know, It's one of the areas we've 253 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: talked about as a group is we're gonna be out 254 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: of the pocket more than we ever have so our 255 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: scramble opportunities when we get out there, we have to 256 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: make him explosive gains. We worked really hard um with 257 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: the whole group of what happens when we do extend place. 258 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 1: Jacoby brisats a guy's quarterback. A lot in this league 259 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: started from multiple teams. When you have a backup like that, 260 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: You guys had a great one with Case Kingdom as well. 261 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 1: What does that do for the offense? And how does 262 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: he look so far? He's looked really good. He has 263 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: a great understanding of one protections scheme, um, everything we're implementing. 264 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: You can see it. He's definitely banked a lot of reps, 265 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: has a ton of starts in the NFL, and there's 266 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 1: not a lot that surprises him. So to have a 267 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: security blanket like that. That's played a lot of football 268 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: is good. You've been around a lot of great receivers 269 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: and Marii Cooper is the latest in that long line. 270 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: For you, what do you think about his route running? 271 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: What he's shown so far. A tremendous route runner. He's 272 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: a savvy guy. The thing that stands out most is 273 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: his strength, his play strength. You know, he's a big 274 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: guy that's explosive. When you stand across from him and 275 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: watch him come off the ball, Uh, it's scary. So 276 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: it's good to get him in the mix now. And uh, 277 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:11,199 Speaker 1: you know, as de Shaan gets to know him more, 278 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: there'll be a lot of production there. They have a 279 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: couple of guys that I think you're wanting to take leaps. 280 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: Donovan People's Jones has been very good each of the 281 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: last two seasons. Now in the year three, and then 282 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: Anthony Schwartz will start with DPJ. How's he kind of 283 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: fitting in and doing so far? Yeah? DPJ is always 284 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: a pro. He does a great job. You know, he 285 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: plays a lot of different spots for us. Always consistent, 286 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: you know, it's the big thing he's He's played really 287 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: well on this camp. Um had some big catches for us, 288 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: I'm really excited where he is um. And then with Shortzy, Uh, 289 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: here's the guy that's really starting to gain some confidence now. 290 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: You can see it in his play on the field. 291 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: He understands where he needs to be catching the ball 292 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: very well right now for us. So the air is 293 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: up on both those guys. It feels like with Schwartz 294 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: to like even from before he guys got into the 295 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: O T is when you're doing just offense on air, 296 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: to where he is now there actually has been significant progress. 297 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: Which sure you're excited because he is the vertical guy 298 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: in this office, no question, you think about these guys, 299 00:12:57,640 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: A lot of these guys have not had this opportunity 300 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: to go through a full O tier with the team setting. Uh, 301 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 1: you know for like the Bradley's and the and the 302 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: Schwartz is Nick Harris is those guys. These reps are 303 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: in vialable for him. When you talk about David Bell, 304 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: you guys are all excited. We know coach was excited. 305 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 1: That's as excited I've seen Kevin's fancy he yet about 306 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: a player? How's he looked out here? And it feels 307 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 1: like it's certainly this week the last couple of days, 308 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:18,439 Speaker 1: he's made some big play, especially in the red zone. Yes, 309 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: and it's all these rookies, you know, their heads are 310 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: swimming right now. You're putting new plays in every single day, 311 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: and you can see a little bit in his game 312 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 1: when he's not quite sure. Um, you know this route 313 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 1: running ability, you know, but when he knows that, it's impressive. 314 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: You know, he had a nice separation on a crossing 315 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 1: route and practice he's done some good things. So as 316 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: he gains more confidence in himself in this system, we 317 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: expect more production from him too. We've called it a 318 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: passing camp. This is an offense that runs the ball 319 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: quite a bit, and we use some twelves and thirteen 320 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: person we've seen some of that are probably a little 321 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: more eleven this year. But how do you kind of 322 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: work on that at this time or is that something 323 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: that comes later on? That's we get off to the side. 324 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 1: You know, we're not banging heads out here with the defense, 325 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:54,839 Speaker 1: so we do it more and walk through settings versus 326 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: our offensive offensive guys giving us a look on the 327 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: other side. So, um, I think we have four run 328 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: in a ten play period. It's it's not a lot. 329 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: Uh that will come in training camp. This offensive line, 330 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: the depth seems to be very good and getting a 331 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: guy like Chris Hubbard back, and I know Conklin's on 332 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 1: his way back. Uh. And we haven't edgeole here yet, 333 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: but we've had guys play cants, fills and looks very 334 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: very good. What do you think about this line and 335 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: how Nick Harris is adjusted to be in that guy 336 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: at center. No, I love our offensive line, always have. 337 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: They work hard and it shows up for sure. Nick 338 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: is ready to step in. You know, he played well 339 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: when he stepped in last year. We expect him to 340 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: plug that hole from from j C Leaving flawlessly, Jack 341 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: getting Jack back hubback. I mean that's a line that's 342 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: played a lot of football together. Uh. And you can 343 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: talk about Blake. He's played up and down the line 344 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: in every position. So we feel really good about our depth. 345 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: And I will talk tight ends now and the chief. 346 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: The big news signs he's been back the last two days. 347 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: He's in a great condition. It always is, how can 348 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: he grow in this offense now that he's the man 349 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: right now, his big thing is just gonna get more 350 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: opportunities to make place. That's the big thing for him. 351 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: His targets will definitely go up for us and expect 352 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: him to to show up, which he will. He has already, 353 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: so it's look it. And we talked about used in 354 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: the middle of the field more and that's oftentimes where 355 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: the tight ends live and his ability to stretch the seaman. 356 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: You go and you put on the tape of the Shawan, 357 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: you see beautiful seam balls with tight ends that don't 358 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: have the skills that the chief does. So this could 359 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: be a great marriage for him the offense, the quarterback 360 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: and now the opportunity. Yeah, there's no question. You know, 361 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: David's worked hard to get into this position where he's 362 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: at and we're happy that that we got him signed. 363 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: He's back. How's Harrison Bryant doing now entering year three? 364 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: Really good. He's the guy that understands our system. You know, 365 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: there's nothing, uh that he misses out there. You know, 366 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: he's a he's like a coach on the field, and 367 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: you know he's another guy with with Hoop leaving, his 368 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: targets will go up, his production will go up this year. 369 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: So we got guys, this is an offense, like we said, 370 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: three tight ends off and Miller forstaw looks like he's 371 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: been that third guy so far, and it has looked 372 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: pretty good. And then you've got some projects, some some 373 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: clay coming out of Texas Tech there that's pretty impressive 374 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: and actually catches well, I think pretty naturally. What do 375 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: you kind of make of the rest of that tight 376 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: end room and has anybody caught your eye? It's really 377 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: a group of guys baling for spots, you know, if 378 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: you get if you get down past Harrison, you know, 379 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: and David uh Miller was here last year, you know, 380 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: and it's it's definitely guys battling for the spot. They've 381 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: all looked good and at times you know, it's just 382 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: gonna be good competition moving into camp. The running back room, 383 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: as we've talked about, not a ton of running here, 384 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: some passing, but they all look good catching the ball. 385 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: Cream has had some nice catches, and I think Jerome 386 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: Ford has looked real natural for a rookie he has, 387 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: you know, he's a guy that's it's worked hard, stumped 388 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: doing a great job with him working on the side, 389 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: but he's a guy that has a really good running 390 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: ability as well to catch the ball on the backfield, 391 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: So would be excited to see him on third down 392 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: and we seem to metric moved back to the receivers 393 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: that just because we haven't had some guys available, or 394 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: is that something that we're going to see as this 395 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: offseason a little bit of both. He's a he's a 396 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: utility knife for us. You know, one day you'll see 397 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: him in the running back room and if we're short 398 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: at wide receiver, he goes out and plays wide receiver. 399 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: But he's a guy that can do a lot of 400 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: things for us. So, as you sit here today, how 401 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: do you feel about this offense knowing that you have 402 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: O t A is really for the first time we 403 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: were able to really do this in your time here 404 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: with the Browns. How do you feel about it? Even 405 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: though it is a whole new quarterback room as you mentioned, 406 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: sure very positive. You know, I like our group a 407 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: lot um. Adding to Shawn into the mix, is you know, 408 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: an elite quarterback to come into be your starters. Excellent. 409 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: Our running game has been as strongest anybody's in the 410 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:07,159 Speaker 1: league the last few years. So it's exciting times. So 411 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: you've got coming up, We've got the mandatory minicamp, then 412 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 1: the break and training camp. What are you looking forward 413 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: to about the mandatory minicamp and then getting away I'm 414 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: sure and kind of reach out to the batters. The 415 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: mandatory mini camps just mandatory. You know, we've we've had 416 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: a great attendance here. Hopefully we get Joel back in 417 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: into the building next week and and catch him up 418 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 1: on some of the changes we've made. But you know, 419 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: looking forward for another two good weeks of work. Um, 420 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: you know, cap it off with a good a couple 421 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: of days of work during the mini camp, and then 422 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,719 Speaker 1: everybody needs to get back, refresh, relax, and then come 423 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: back ready to go into that marathon of the season. 424 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: If you could tell the fans one thing that when 425 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: they come out to training camp they should expect to 426 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: see from this offense, what would it be? A dynamic, 427 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 1: explosive offense. I think with the run game in in 428 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: our you know, emphasis on the drop back pass game, 429 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: I think we can put some yards and some numbers 430 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 1: up this year. It'll be a lot of fun. Coach, 431 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: thanks so much for the time, and enjoy the process. 432 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: We'll do. Thank you all right, Browns fans. That'll do 433 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: it for this edition of the best podcast available, or 434 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: should I say Zagura and Friends, because here I am 435 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: once again. 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