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Speaker 1: Welcome to a good game with Sarah Spain, where our

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Speaker 1: faces hurt from smiling so much. After getting to spend

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Speaker 1: back to back days with our iHeart Women's Sports Podcast,

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Speaker 1: fam photo shoot, draft Party, Business of Women's Sports Summit,

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Speaker 1: hell of a time with the Batty Girl Gang. It's Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: April fifteenth, and speaking of batties, on today's show, we're

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Speaker 1: skipping the need to know and getting straight to my

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Speaker 1: interview with Top Chef host and Trader star Kristin kish.

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Speaker 1: I caught up with her on Monday to talk about

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Speaker 1: how competitive cooking is like a sport, and how the

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Speaker 1: physical and mental demands trip up even the best of chefs,

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Speaker 1: the drama that comes with getting a whole bunch of

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Speaker 1: really good cooks in the same kitchen, shitty dudes in

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Speaker 1: Scottish castles, and frozen toilet paper. And I know what

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Speaker 1: some of you are thinking, Sarah, You're really talking about

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Speaker 1: cooking on a women's sports podcast. Well, just you wait,

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Speaker 1: dear slices, or should I say, let us cook? My

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Speaker 1: very sporting conversation with Kristin is coming up right after

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Speaker 1: this joining us now. She's the two time Emmy nominated

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Speaker 1: host of Top Chef and was the winner as a

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Speaker 1: contestant in season ten. You've also seen her on the

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Speaker 1: most recent season of Traders and hosting fast foodies thirty

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Speaker 1: six Hours Restaurants at the End of the World, an

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Speaker 1: Iron Chef quest for an Iron Legend. A native of Kentwood, Michigan,

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Speaker 1: she's the founder and head chef of Our Low Gray

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Speaker 1: Restaurant in Austin, and the New York Times best selling

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Speaker 1: author of the memoir Accidentally on Purpose. Her fits our

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Speaker 1: fire and she loves mayonnaise. It's Kristin Kish. I'm Kristin.

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Speaker 2: I love you so much.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's great to see you.

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Speaker 2: Great to see you.

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Speaker 1: The last time we saw each other we were actually

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Speaker 1: hanging out on stage at Chicago Humanity's Week. We were

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Speaker 1: talking about your great book, which everyone should go out

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Speaker 1: and get. And since then you have filmed the whole

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Speaker 1: season of Traders and filmed the whole season of Top Chef.

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Speaker 1: So so much to get into. But first, how do

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Speaker 1: I creatively excuse bringing my foodie friend onto a sports show. Well,

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Speaker 1: the opening episode of this year's season of Top Chef

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Speaker 1: NASCAR legends, so sports, and you're wearing a Detroit Tiger's hat,

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Speaker 2: We're good. I'm wearing the Detroit Tiger's hat. I recently

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Speaker 2: recently actually held a ball from sports, and in true passion,

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Speaker 2: I am wearing where you cannot see right now, sweatpants

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Speaker 2: sports and athletic socks, sports and some slippers which I

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Speaker 2: feel like sports people wear on they're often right. And

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Speaker 2: you're gay, so sports sports, gay lesbian, tall sweatpants and

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Speaker 1: Perfect. You're a natural, you fit right in. I want

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Speaker 1: to ask you about that first episode, because you actually

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Speaker 1: Did you feel the need for speed? Did you want

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Speaker 2: Would have done it again. And they gave us the

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Speaker 2: thin neck. Of mine, and I was in full glam

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: It felt like a fitting start to another season of

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Speaker 1: Top Chef, because the competition really is like a sport

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Speaker 2: I think the pressure it is it's a different kind

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's interesting because cooking kind of always has

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Speaker 1: Like everything's just ratcheted up a bit from what's very

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Speaker 1: It's wild how much that's like sports. It's like flow state. Yes,

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Speaker 1: It just works. And it's wild how those qualities can

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Speaker 1: I mean, as the host, you are also sort of

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Speaker 1: You eat some weird shit, though I do. First of all,

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Speaker 2: Honestly, the chef did such an incredible job at taming

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Speaker 2: And it is you know, yes, Hitch. It was more bridesmaids.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I won't do that again.

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Speaker 2: need the audience to understand that that's not that kind

437
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,280
Speaker 2: of show and it's not going to happen.

438
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 1: It's more enjoyable to watch y'all root for each other

439
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:51,879
Speaker 1: too than early on when they try to get you

440
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:53,720
Speaker 1: to talk about each other in confessionals.

441
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,400
Speaker 2: Well, and also the thing is is if you think

442
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 2: if we went back to that kind of manufactured, high

443
00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 2: personal drama, you wouldn't get chefs at a very very

444
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,440
Speaker 2: high level of cooking because they care too much about

445
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,200
Speaker 2: their career. So if we're going to do Top Chef,

446
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 2: you want the best chefs, you don't want the best

447
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 2: drama makers. And so those two things, yeah, they don't

448
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,200
Speaker 2: work together. Also, I feel like there is natural drama

449
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,879
Speaker 2: that's going to happen, Like, not everyone is going to

450
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,199
Speaker 2: get along, not everyone is going to make it to

451
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,119
Speaker 2: the plate. There's things that are going to happen that

452
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 2: will give you that drama like you know in the

453
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Speaker 2: cooking world without being nasty.

454
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we got plenty of that. We've got you know.

455
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Speaker 1: I mentioned Jennifer having to cook through a shoulder injury,

456
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 1: Nana who had a panic attack in the premiere episode. Man,

457
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 1: you so calmly and confidently tended to her. It was

458
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 1: such a beautiful moment. Why do you think that came

459
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,639
Speaker 1: so naturally to you to just immediately be like, oh,

460
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Speaker 1: I'm going over there.

461
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Speaker 2: You know. First off, I have to say I'm incredibly

462
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 2: grateful that I had that vantage point of her, because

463
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 2: if all that happened behind the kitchen, like we can't

464
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 2: react to anything, we don't. We are, and I've said

465
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 2: it till I'm blue in the face a million times over,

466
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:08,119
Speaker 2: we are reality television. Like it's not TV made for

467
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:12,359
Speaker 2: manufactured reality, and so if we never saw that, nothing

468
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 2: would have ever come of it. When she was coming

469
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,679
Speaker 2: out the way my seat was positioned, I was the

470
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Speaker 2: only person to see her coming out of that kitchen,

471
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,200
Speaker 2: and so I didn't know what happened in the kitchen,

472
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 2: her starting this the beginning stage of a panic attack.

473
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Speaker 2: But by the time I saw her, there's one of

474
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Speaker 2: two things that was going to happen. She was either

475
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Speaker 2: going to drop her plates or she was going to

476
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Speaker 2: pass out because she was not breathing properly. And I

477
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 2: was like, in five seconds sitting there, I was like,

478
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to let either one of those things happen. Don't.

479
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 2: I don't give a shit like it. My goal right

480
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 2: now is to make sure she gets in front of

481
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Speaker 2: us to tell us what she made.

482
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Speaker 1: That's it.

483
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Speaker 2: And I don't know without thinking, Like we talk about

484
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,439
Speaker 2: the chef's pivoting, and you just naturally react to the

485
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 2: things around you just saw someone in distress, and I

486
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 2: once I saw it, I can't I couldn't ignore it.

487
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 2: And so for I don't know, five or six minutes,

488
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 2: we were doing like I was doing breathing exercises with

489
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 2: her because she was not she wasn't breathing properly. Yeah,

490
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 2: and so I'm so proud of her for getting to

491
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 2: the head of that table presenting her dish, and she

492
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Speaker 2: made it through.

493
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a much better outcome for her, even

494
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 1: though she struggled later in later episodes, like she still

495
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 1: was able to leave and have everyone sort of understand

496
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 1: her struggles as opposed to the way also it was edited.

497
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 1: Certainly was gave her grace And you could have instead

498
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 1: edited that to make it as salacious and outrageous as

499
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 1: possible and have her leaving ashamed. And I think she

500
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 1: probably still felt disappointment and how her time on the

501
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 1: show went, but it was handled in a really professional way,

502
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 1: which I liked. You know. I wonder if the sort

503
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 1: of high stakes I mean, even when it's on a

504
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 1: competition show. Let's say you're in a top level kitchen

505
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 1: and you're trying to get a Michelin star. The difference

506
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 1: might be like how the plate is cleaned off or

507
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: how you cut a carrot. And I wonder if that

508
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: pressure is what contributes to so many stories of chefs

509
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 1: that are toxic, Like we're just seeing right now Noma

510
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 1: chef Rene reord Zeppi's legacy falling apart over you know,

511
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 1: physical and emotional abuse, and there have been countless stories

512
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 1: like that. Is there a quality or even maybe like

513
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: a potential for toxicity in the same people who are

514
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: also built to be great in the kitchen? Like is

515
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: there something that goes handed? Is it hard to be

516
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 1: the very best at the highest level and be completely

517
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 1: normal and regulated?

518
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 2: You know?

519
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 1: I think because for some athletes that's the case, right,

520
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: Like Michael Jordan is out of his mind and that's

521
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: why he's great, is Michael?

522
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,679
Speaker 2: But can I ask you a question, is Michael Jordan

523
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 2: like true? Like you can be high pressure and hold

524
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 2: people accountable, but we don't have to always. You don't

525
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 2: have to be a shitty human like Michael Jordan was

526
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 2: high pressure and high intensity, right, but not.

527
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 1: And at times a shitty human punched his own teammate,

528
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: has gambling issues, can't get the high with out winning

529
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: and competing. And I'm a huge Michael Jordan fan, but

530
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 1: there's enough content out there that like, I wouldn't say

531
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: always shitty. He's done a lot of good things, but like,

532
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: is not capable of just being alive without He used

533
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 1: to literally gamble over whose bags would come out on

534
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 1: the baggage claim carousel first. Interesting, like everything had to

535
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 1: be gamified, so that high of winning, which I wonder

536
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,360
Speaker 1: at that quality, I mean that quality very clearly contributed

537
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: to why he wanted it more than everyone else and

538
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:29,239
Speaker 1: did what he needed to do.

539
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 2: I think fear reads a lot of different things. Fear

540
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 2: it can make you like step outside of your own

541
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 2: being because you're so scared of not being great once

542
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 2: you've reached, just reached a certain level, that you will

543
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 2: do anything to keep it. I will say that I

544
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 2: think the problem in the Kitchens is that the example

545
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 2: of male ego bad behavior was promoted and glorified for

546
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 2: far too long, and so once, just like coaching, right,

547
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 2: and so once that kind of was set as being Okay,

548
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 2: I say that very loosely in air quotes. It was

549
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 2: accepted and it was seen that it gave all these

550
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 2: other people permission after to just do the same.

551
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:18,719
Speaker 1: And almost aspire to that.

552
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy to me.

553
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: That's what it looks like to be great, right.

554
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,199
Speaker 2: But no, it is one hundred percent possible to be

555
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 2: great and be a great human.

556
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of shitty dudes, Michael Rapaport, Holy shit, I

557
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: cannot believe you had to live in the same house

558
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:39,199
Speaker 1: as him and witness him eating. If y'all have not

559
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 1: seen the clips, just google Michael Rapaport eating. And if

560
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 1: you're like, why does Sarah hate Michael Rapaport so much?

561
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: I don't have the time to tell you all the reasons.

562
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: Some of them became clear on the show, Traders, But

563
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: I mean, how many times did he call me to

564
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: see you next Tuesday on the internet because he knew

565
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: I control his temper and he has oh yeah, major

566
00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 1: issues dealing with like sports disagreements and social issues disagreements

567
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: without turning into a complete tool. But beside that, no

568
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: spoilers keep the ending a secret for those who haven't watched. Overall,

569
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: how was that? Traders?

570
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 2: Experience for you overall Traders experience. I'm glad I did it.

571
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 2: I did it for the love of Top Chef, and

572
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 2: I mean, if you don't know and follow the Emmys

573
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 2: like you can, Top Chef and the Traders historically the

574
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 2: past couple of years have gone head to head or

575
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 2: not head to head, but are in the same Emmy category.

576
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 2: Top Chef loses to the Traders and I lose to Alan.

577
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 2: I was sick losing And at the end of the day,

578
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 2: I don't know what this outcome will bring, but at

579
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 2: the very least I know that I'm doing the things

580
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 2: that I need to do in order to share and

581
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,959
Speaker 2: introduce our show to the millions of viewers that are

582
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 2: watching Traders. And so that's why I did it.

583
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: Now, what if Alan coming tries to come on Top

584
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: Chef to even the score and make sure that you

585
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: don't get a leg up by going on Traders.

586
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 2: Well, the thing is, I we invited Alan to come

587
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 2: be a guest judge. I would love I would love

588
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 2: nothing more like doors, wide, open, open invitation. I'm pretty

589
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 2: sure our entire production would also say the same thing

590
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 2: year after and after year. You know, I got I

591
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 2: will say it was a pleasure to see how another

592
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 2: show operates. It was a pleasure to watch Alan do

593
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 2: what he does best, and he is an incredible performer,

594
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 2: and overall I walked away with a lot of good friends.

595
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: He seems delightful and the fits he is very delightful. Also,

596
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: if there was a if there was an Emmy for

597
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: best fits while hosting a reality show. Again, neck and Neck,

598
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: like y'all too, are setting different.

599
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 2: It's like apples and oranges. But still yeah, I would

600
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 2: change both amazing. I think we should change wardrobes. He

601
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 2: could go my style for Traders, and I could go

602
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 2: his for Top Chefer, and we would just really love everything.

603
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: For the Loop, you could pull off a kilt for sure.

604
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: I'm not sure about him with that crop top with

605
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: our teeny glasses on it that you wore, But to

606
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: be fair, he could pull it up. He could do

607
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: it just a couple more quick ones. I know I've

608
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: kept you too long, but I know you didn't love

609
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: the food there. So in terms of learning how other

610
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 1: shows work, I imagine Top Chef prioritizes the food for

611
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: the contestants and the judges. Is it true that you

612
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: offered them your skills to consult on food for future seasons.

613
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: I did.

614
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 2: I offer to consult without pay. Just pay for me

615
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 2: to get there and put me off in accommodations. My

616
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 2: services would actually be free for like a week. I

617
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 2: would love nothing more than to provide give me a

618
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 2: list of all the things you're working with and let

619
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 2: me come up with some different ways of preparing them.

620
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 2: That's all. They have yet to take me up on it,

621
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 2: but you know, we'll see.

622
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, because all you had was a toaster and gummy candy,

623
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: and there was always a shortage of salmon and eggs

624
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: at breakfast. That's all we heard about.

625
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 2: That was a very big topic of conversation in the castle,

626
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 2: and I'm not surprised that it made it air because

627
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 2: it was always, yeah, people trying to find their protein. Right.

628
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: So, people who watch traders who want to know this,

629
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: do you have a friend or two that you still

630
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: keep up with that you made?

631
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, several a lot of them, Mark Ballas, Eric Nahm,

632
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 2: Johnny Weir, Tera, Lepinski, Lisa Renna, Candice wow Dillard. Honestly,

633
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 2: the majority of people lovely love.

634
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: I love let Lisa Renna's in there, like what a freakin'

635
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: reality legend. O g.

636
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 2: She is hysterical. I, oh, oh my god. And Derinda

637
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 2: and Carolyn the Housewives.

638
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: Oh so you're basically a housewife. You're setting yourself up

639
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: for later in life. Real Housewives of Austin, which I

640
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: would watch.

641
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed spending time with them, and I loved

642
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 2: getting to know everybody at face value, not for their

643
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 2: TV persona, but for who they are when you know,

644
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,080
Speaker 2: in the context of this game, because I think I

645
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 2: had gone in having been a fan or having seen

646
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 2: everybody on all the things that they do. I'm sure

647
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 2: it word of maybe you know skewed some decision making,

648
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 2: but honestly, like I knew of people, I didn't know people.

649
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: Well.

650
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 2: I knew Ron from Faster series, but still, like on

651
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 2: a very deeply personal level, I didn't really know anybody.

652
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ron Funchs was an interesting one on there. I

653
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: did not expect his personality out of comedy to be

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Speaker 1: what it was on that show, just much more sensitive,

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Speaker 1: much more like don't you don't get to know me

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Speaker 1: unless I want you to kind of vibes. I didn't

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Speaker 1: know a lot of people. I honestly watched it for you.

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Speaker 1: I had watched one season before and then I watched

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Speaker 1: it this season for you, and it was interesting how

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Speaker 1: many of them I didn't know from their other shows,

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Speaker 1: so I was also sort of face value trying to

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Speaker 1: figure out. But I think what you said about the

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Speaker 1: winner no spoilers makes a lot of sense because it

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Speaker 1: was like just didn't really give much away ever, and

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Speaker 1: always felt pretty consistent, and that makes it so hard

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Speaker 1: also really helps if your natural person feeds into that

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Speaker 1: as opposed to like, there's plenty of other people who

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Speaker 1: lend themselves to like trustworthy, I'm not messing around kind

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Speaker 1: of person, and the person who one did have that

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Speaker 1: going for them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was such a mind game. You

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Speaker 2: go in thinking, oh, you know, this is just a game.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go have a good time. But you

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Speaker 2: get in there, you're fully sepquestered. You have nothing nothing

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Speaker 2: but your own thoughts in this game, and as much

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Speaker 2: as you know you're not going to really get murdered

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Speaker 2: or whatever, Like the end of the game feels really

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Speaker 2: talk about pressure and like turning into somebody that you

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Speaker 2: didn't know, like I turned into I got fed up.

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Speaker 2: By the time I reached a certain point in the game,

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Speaker 2: I got fed up with somebody and I was like enough,

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Speaker 2: like I lost my patience. I was like, I am tired,

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Speaker 2: I'm hungry, I miss my wife, and why the f

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Speaker 2: are you not talking to me anymore? I'm over it?

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Speaker 2: And so I like, like, I should have just kept

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Speaker 2: my mouth shut, but I at that certain point I

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Speaker 2: could not keep my mouth.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I don't blame you. Well, that brings me to

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Speaker 1: my last question. You just threw out the first pitch

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Speaker 1: into Detroit Tiger's game getting back to her Michigan route.

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Speaker 1: So I want to know the level of nerves. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm giving you three things to rank Tiger's first pitch.

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Speaker 1: Top Chef Finale, Final, Cook, Traders round Table vote.

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Speaker 2: Ooh, you know Tiger's first pitch being the number one,

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Speaker 2: because that is something most nervous. The skill set I

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Speaker 2: didn't know. I don't do that, and my whole family's

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Speaker 2: watching live. Second I would go Traders Round Table. The

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Speaker 2: heat was never really on me, so I never felt

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Speaker 2: like a huge sense of pressure. And the third one

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Speaker 2: the most calm. I think I've ever been in those

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Speaker 2: three scenarios, was the Top Chef Final Cook because no

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Speaker 2: matter at that point, whatever happened, I had made it

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Speaker 2: to that place and at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: all I was doing I was cooking.

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Speaker 1: Gosh. I love It's flow state again. It's like, well,

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Speaker 1: this is I'm supposed to be. So whatever happens, happens,

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Speaker 1: I'll be fine. Whatever happens, Well, I want to read

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Speaker 1: you something someone on social wrote me in response to

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Speaker 1: a post about our Chicago Humanity's interview that I put

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Speaker 1: up when the new season came out at Zazzi. Zaz said,

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Speaker 1: it's so incredible that Top Chef had one of the

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Speaker 1: best TV hosts for over a decade and when she

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Speaker 1: or the producers decided it was time for a change,

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Speaker 1: they found someone better, which is true, and it's really incredible.

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Speaker 1: Holy shit, you're crushing it. So congrats on all the success.

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Speaker 1: Keep doing all the other shows so we can watch

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Speaker 1: you in all the other places. Just obviously, such a

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Speaker 1: big fan of yours, and thanks so much for coming

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Speaker 1: on and talking sports.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. I am a huge fan of yours. By

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Speaker 2: the way, I love and I told you this last

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Speaker 2: time we were in person. I love talking to you.

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Speaker 2: I think you're hysterical, you have to talk about some

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Speaker 2: cool shit, and I really just generally love being in

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Speaker 2: your energy. I think it's amazing.

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Speaker 1: Big oh, I love it all right. Well, breakfast cast

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Speaker 1: roles for everyone next time. Thanks again to Kristen for

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Speaker 1: taking the time. As you could tell, I love talking

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Speaker 1: to her. And don't forget you can now watch full

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Speaker 1: length good game interviews on the Iheartwomen's Sports YouTube channel.

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Speaker 1: Like my conversation with kristin to go subscribe. We got

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Speaker 1: to take another break. When we return, This Big Citrus

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Speaker 1: happily lends its name to another Big Citrus. Welcome back slices.

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Speaker 1: We love that you're listening, but we want you to

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Speaker 1: get in the game every day too, So here's our

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Speaker 1: good game play of the day. Follow Kristen on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: We'll link to her profile in the show notes, and

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Speaker 1: of course, watch her host this season of Top Chef

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Speaker 1: on Bravo. New episodes air every Monday at nine thirty

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Speaker 1: pm Eastern, And don't forget to go check out some

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Speaker 1: of the other shows on our Iheartwomen's Sports platform. I

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Speaker 1: had so much fun hanging out with the other hosts

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Speaker 1: this week, and you should really go check out some

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Speaker 1: of their shows. We got skateboarding, hoops, tennis and more,

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Speaker 1: really something for everyone. We always love to hear from you, Slices,

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Speaker 1: so hit us up on email, good game at wondermediaetwork

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Speaker 1: dot com, or leave us a voicemail at eight seven

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Speaker 1: two two four fifty seventy, and don't forget to subscribe,

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Speaker 1: rate and review. It's easy. Watch one Big Citrus inspiring

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Speaker 1: another rating two out of two well named things review. Now,

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Speaker 1: a bunch of you have sent us notes making sure

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Speaker 1: we're aware of Dominic Orange, a defensive tackle who's hoping

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Speaker 1: to hear his name called at the upcoming NFL Draft,

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Speaker 1: and who just happens to be nicknamed Big Citrus. But

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Speaker 1: only one of you has named a cat after us. Yep,

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Speaker 1: forget Dominic Orange. We want to give a big shout

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Speaker 1: out to Slice. Doctor Edie Oliver, the medical director at

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Speaker 1: Stray Rescue of Saint Louis. She wrote in to let

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Speaker 1: us know that our show had inspired the perfect name

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Speaker 1: for a cat in her care Edie wrote quote, I

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Speaker 1: love catching up on women's sports while I get ready

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Speaker 1: every morning to go to my job as a veterinarian

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Speaker 1: at Stray Rescue, a large nonprofit animal rescue in downtown

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Speaker 1: Saint Louis. One day a few weeks ago, a sassy

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Speaker 1: orange taby cat came in, and the perfect name dawned

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Speaker 1: on me, Big Citrus. He's a lovable guy with a

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Speaker 1: big personality, and I just know he's a women's sports fan.

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Speaker 1: End quote, y'all. Let me tell you, after seeing photos

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Speaker 1: of this cat, I think he deserves the title of

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Speaker 1: Big Citrus even more than we do. He is a

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Speaker 1: big hunk of orange fur, and in one of the

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Speaker 1: photos Edy sent, he's mewing so big that I can

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Speaker 1: almost hear him from Chicago. Sass, Sass is right. Edie's

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Speaker 1: rescue takes in a lot of animals with existing medical conditions,

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Speaker 1: and for Big Citrus that included a severe ear infection

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Speaker 1: that resulted in cauliflower ear, likely due to fighting as astray.

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Speaker 1: And honestly, it feels right that our namesake has gotten

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Speaker 1: into a few scraps. I can only assume the other

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Speaker 1: cats kept talking about protecting women's sports and some great news.

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Speaker 1: Edie sent us an update on Monday that Big Citrus

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Speaker 1: has already been adopted. We love to hear it, and

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Speaker 1: we're certainly hoping that his new humans will keep rocking

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Speaker 1: his given name and maybe even become fans of our show.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Edie tell them their new best friend just got

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Speaker 1: shouted out on a podcast. We'll link to Stray Rescue

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Speaker 1: of Saint Louis's Instagram in the show notes in case

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Speaker 1: you want to find us Sassy Tabby of your own. Plus,

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Speaker 1: we'll put a link to a few photos of Big

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Speaker 1: Citrus himself on my Instagram. Thanks, Doctor Edie. Now it's

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Speaker 1: your turn, y'all rate and review. Thanks for listening, See

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Speaker 1: you tomorrow. Good game, Kristen, Good game, pucker Butt Farms.

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