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Speaker 1: If you have your own story of being in a

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Speaker 1: cult or a high control group, or if you've had

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Speaker 1: an experience with manipulation or abusive power you'd like to share,

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Speaker 3: Trust Me, trust Me.

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Speaker 2: I'm like a swat person.

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Speaker 4: I've never lied to you, and we.

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Speaker 2: Never have a live.

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Speaker 1: If you think that one person has all the answers, don't.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to trust Me.

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Speaker 1: The podcast about guilds, extreme belief and the abuse of

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Speaker 1: power from two zombies who've actually experienced it.

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Speaker 3: I am Low Lablanc, President Zombie.

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Speaker 5: And I am Megan Elizabeth, also a zombie.

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Speaker 1: Today is part two of our interview with Tara Nouel,

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Speaker 1: the woman who took down Dirty John.

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Speaker 3: Y'all.

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Speaker 1: In this week's episode, we're going to discuss how her mom, Debbie,

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Speaker 1: took John back even after learning about his criminal manipulating history,

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Speaker 1: and how common that actually is in these types of situations.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about how they try to file a

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Speaker 1: restraining order to no avail.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 1: John began to stalk the family once Debbie finally called

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Speaker 1: it off for real.

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Speaker 2: Then we'll get into the day that John attacked Tara

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Speaker 2: with a knife, how she defended herself using techniques she

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Speaker 2: learned from watching shows like The Walking Dead, ultimately killing him,

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Speaker 2: and what the aftermath and trauma recovery process has been.

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Speaker 5: Like, she is a badass.

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Speaker 1: We'll just keep saying it because it's true. I definitely

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Speaker 1: want to take her self defense class now because holy.

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent, we get to see her this week,

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Speaker 2: we get to go have dinner with her.

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Speaker 3: We do. It's very exciting.

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Speaker 1: Also, just the past few weeks, I don't know about you,

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Speaker 1: It's been like everything all at once.

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Speaker 5: Is it exciting? Are you liking it? Or is it overwhelming?

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Speaker 6: Uh?

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Speaker 3: Both?

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh yeah, Like I used to like go

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Speaker 1: I mean not that I wasn't going to stuff before,

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Speaker 1: but it was like it was more sporadic and usually outdoor.

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Speaker 1: And this week it's been like bar party, house party,

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Speaker 5: I'm wondering if I can get back into it.

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Speaker 2: To be honest, it's just crazy how much PTSD fumes

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Speaker 2: we were all running on. I think are just like

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Speaker 1: It's true, and I don't know, but I do know

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Speaker 1: that I'm tired me too. So what's your cultiest thing

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I think I sent you the little link

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Speaker 5: So any day now I'm expecting them to come after.

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Speaker 2: Me, and they're bringing them into this world that's very

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: The person that the article I'm reading about is this

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Speaker 2: They've given her a husband, they've done all of these

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Speaker 1: I did have a few friends send me the TikTok

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Speaker 1: So it claims to be a management company that represents dancers,

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Speaker 2: And this sect of Christianity known as the Southern Mountain.

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Speaker 1: This sounds crazy. I'm going to learn more about it.

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Speaker 1: Shekina pastor Robert Israel Shin, whose son Isaiah is a

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Speaker 1: It's just you really can turn like absolutely anything into

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Speaker 5: Management called at the Sky's the Limit.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I know there are more quirky ones that I

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Speaker 1: If you threw out Santa, if you threw out Clouds, like,

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Speaker 1: Moire obsessive fearful thinking. Yep, evidence is important, so it's

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I see it now, I see how you

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Speaker 3: Like I had derealization, I had OCD.

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Speaker 1: And you know, like analyzing the different things that worked

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Speaker 3: Of course, so I just could see that. So I'm like, oh, okay,

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Speaker 5: Okay, well, let's talk to Tera.

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Speaker 3: Let's do it. So your mom takes him back.

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Speaker 1: He's got all these great stories, he's you know, like

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Speaker 6: It's so cute, but I would like a twenty five

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Speaker 6: Dog under the table right now, you know, He's like,

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Speaker 4: Log. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so starts to get in back into this fairy

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Speaker 6: The very very last resort and she's like, I'm leaving

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it got you back in.

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Speaker 6: It got me back in good grace with her and

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Speaker 4: You know, So what she looked or she had this

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Speaker 7: He's stand there, dude, you have to be so not

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, what happens when you do that? Like do

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Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, oh yeah, oh yeahop is not good unless

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Uh.

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Speaker 3: That's what it sounded.

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Speaker 6: I don't know, like I he was keeping papers on

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Speaker 4: Like she didn't touch his things. She didn't snoop.

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Speaker 2: I love the word accusing you of snooping, Like how

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Speaker 6: Really?

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Speaker 5: When you know the person accusing you is trying.

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Speaker 2: To literally ruin everyone's life, It's so ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: It's like when cheaters deflect. You're like, we were looking

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Speaker 3: at my phone exactly.

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Speaker 6: You are cheating on me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 4: I think it's funny.

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Speaker 6: Well, sometimes when you snoop, you don't find like the

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Speaker 4: You're looking for necessarily.

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Speaker 6: Like I had a boyfriend one time snoop on me

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Speaker 3: And I was like, no, oh god.

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Speaker 2: My boyfriend once went through my text and was like,

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Speaker 6: So you know, the private investigator is going to be

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 1: So she gets restrained or she tries to get a

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Speaker 3: Yes, dude, this pisses me off so much.

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Speaker 1: This is this happens to so like so many people

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Speaker 3: And it's like, you know where this leads though, right.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, Like no, it really does suck because you like,

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Speaker 6: he's stocking us during that time, but we didn't have

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Speaker 6: and it'd be like but it's like a closed and

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Speaker 6: I'm in fight or fight mode now because you're telling

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Speaker 4: My own life. Yeah you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's that's happened to a handful of my friends.

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Speaker 1: This woman, Leonora Clara, talks a lot about that she's

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Speaker 4: Oh I know, I'm really good friends. Oh okay, that.

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Speaker 1: Actually makes sense because she knows everyone and of course

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Speaker 6: I was almost gonna hit her up after this.

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Speaker 3: Oh nice.

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Speaker 4: I was like, I wonder what she's doing.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, that's just it infuriates me. I'm like

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Speaker 1: of course, you know, sure, maybe a restraining order won't

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it's like something at least it's like a

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Speaker 3: Hey I tried yeah yeah yeah. So then he tries

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Speaker 3: to set your mom's car on fire. Oh yeah, just

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Speaker 6: Yeah. And my high school police officer, like the guy

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Speaker 4: Oh wow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so now y'all must be scared, like so scared.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but it was also like.

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Speaker 6: What what are you doing, like just like blowing up

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Speaker 6: Like me and my sister kind of like are like

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Speaker 6: you're stupid, like you're gonna do that, but you're not

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Speaker 4: Car, but you're not gonna like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, at this point, you've seen him like

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Speaker 3: Like it's like, don't.

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe not quite.

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Speaker 4: What was like, you don't think you're gonna get caught

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Speaker 6: Eventually it was just like, so, like, why would you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: And then Jacqueline sees him skulking around outside her place.

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Speaker 6: Yes, Jacqueline sees him, and then she tries to chase

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Speaker 4: She loses him.

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Speaker 3: So, oh, she'd moved out, right, Yeah, she's moved out.

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Speaker 4: She's living with my sister at the Carlisles.

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Speaker 6: Gotcha. And I can say that because they put in

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Speaker 5: Oh my god, that is so much hylar.

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Speaker 6: You know, sometimes I don't like connect to dots, you know,

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Speaker 4: A French accent. But when you're working with dogs, you.

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Speaker 4: And it wasn't.

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Speaker 6: It didn't show up, but that messed with my schedule actually,

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Speaker 6: And so I went home during that time, got a

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Speaker 6: my dog that had passed, he started barking, and I

449
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 6: look over and there's this guy fiddling with a tire

450
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:34,960
Speaker 6: iron and I had I just tell my dog to

451
00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:39,040
Speaker 6: knock it off, because I like thought it was a

452
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 6: homeless guy, and I was, you know, not connecting the dots.

453
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:45,239
Speaker 4: So I was pulling in.

454
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:49,440
Speaker 6: I pulled into my space where I normally park, and

455
00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 6: I get out of my car. I get my dog

456
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,679
Speaker 6: out of the car, and then I walk by my

457
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:59,399
Speaker 6: license plate. I was pulled into the spot like just

458
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 6: like as you drive into it. I didn't back up

459
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 6: into it. So he gets me right around my license

460
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 6: plate and grabs me by the waist and looks me

461
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,639
Speaker 6: in the eye and says, do you remember me? I

462
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,199
Speaker 6: looked up at him. I didn't say anything, and I

463
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 6: just tried to run away from him. And I wasn't

464
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,720
Speaker 6: able to run away from him, so I started fighting

465
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 6: and trying to like push him away and do whatever

466
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:29,920
Speaker 6: I could to get away from him.

467
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:31,880
Speaker 4: And this is the.

468
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 6: Time where I actually put my purse up to like

469
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 6: protect my heart and everything, and I started to get hit,

470
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 6: but I was actually getting stabbed, and luckily he wasn't

471
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 6: able to get my heart because I did that.

472
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 3: But I was standing still, or you were on the ground,

473
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 3: so I was.

474
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 4: Standing still at this time.

475
00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 6: But then I fall on the ground backwards, which actually

476
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 6: this gave me the benefit in the situation where I

477
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,399
Speaker 6: was able to be on my back and use my

478
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,879
Speaker 6: legs to bicycle kick him. And at this time the

479
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 6: knife is a parent because he had it covered in

480
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:21,680
Speaker 6: a Del Taco bag before, and at this time the Dell.

481
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 4: Taco bag came off of it.

482
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 6: And sorry, I just connected more dots. I realized that

483
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,719
Speaker 6: the Dell Taco bag came off when we were like

484
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 6: in our like tupple, when I was upstanding, you know,

485
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 6: because the Dell Taco I now was realized, was all.

486
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 4: Over the floor.

487
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 6: So I remember, now, okay, so yeah, the knife was

488
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 6: apparent then, but it came out like during when I

489
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 6: probably fell on the floor, and so I just kicked

490
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 6: and tried to block the knife as a coming down

491
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 6: because like I learned in the show burn notice that

492
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 6: you have to control the knife in a knife attack.

493
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 6: And then I was able to kick the knife out

494
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 6: of his hand and it landed on my right hand

495
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,360
Speaker 6: side in the ice picked position, which is the perfect

496
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 6: position to pick up a knife. Woh, picked it up,

497
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:25,199
Speaker 6: and just like you know, my guide's god whoever like

498
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 6: was just.

499
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,120
Speaker 4: Telling me, like pick it up, pick it up.

500
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 6: And then so I picked it up and I just

501
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 6: started wailing on him and I hold the knife really tight,

502
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 6: because you gotta be careful not to cut yourself like

503
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 6: Hannah McKay and Dexter. Yep. So I did that and

504
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 6: then he was falling down on me and he was gasping,

505
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 6: and I was just holding his head so that he

506
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:51,439
Speaker 6: wouldn't bite me.

507
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:56,959
Speaker 1: And your instincts are incredible. I do not know like

508
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,159
Speaker 1: you knew to protect your heart. You knew how to

509
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:00,200
Speaker 1: hold the knife.

510
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 5: Walking dead was like your big one too.

511
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, walking dead. That's why I held his head so

512
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 6: he wouldn't fight me.

513
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 5: So how you hold someone's head so they don't bite you?

514
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 5: And are you thinking these thoughts or is it just

515
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:13,400
Speaker 5: going It's.

516
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 6: Like monkey sea monkey do like my body just like

517
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 6: watched so much stuff and I'm like, okay, I got it.

518
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 2: Wow.

519
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 6: And then the last two stab wounds were to his

520
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 6: head because I knew I had to kill his brain,

521
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 6: and so the second to last one was like on

522
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,640
Speaker 6: his forehead, and then the last one was in his

523
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,199
Speaker 6: eye because I knew that was the softest point of

524
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 6: entry to his brain, so at least if I got

525
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 6: him there, he wouldn't be able to use his motor

526
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,880
Speaker 6: skills to get up and like get me. You know,

527
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 6: even if I didn't kill him, at least he's not

528
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 6: able to.

529
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 3: Function, right, Like he's incapacitated.

530
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 5: Girl, First of.

531
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 3: All, you should teach your self defense class because this

532
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 3: is insane.

533
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 6: Well I did this past year for my survival anniversary.

534
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 6: He did, Yeah, but it was a weird day because

535
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 6: my dog passed away like a couple of days before him,

536
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 6: and then I was putting together this.

537
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 3: Charity and that's a that's rough timing.

538
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, and then people weren't happy about like baskets

539
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 6: that they got in stud because.

540
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 3: It was like, okay, we'll fuck those people.

541
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 6: But so, you know, interesting time. But like I did,

542
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 6: do you And it's on my Instagram and it's like

543
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 6: this live feed. If anyone wants to go and look

544
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 6: at it and get advice of how to defend yourself,

545
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 6: that's on there in a builble Cool.

546
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 2: That's great because I will definitely be same.

547
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:50,360
Speaker 1: So once he's like finally incapacitated, Like what is going

548
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,199
Speaker 1: through your mind? Also, your dog was like biting at

549
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 1: him this whole time, right.

550
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, my dog cash he got his ankles and

551
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 6: is attacking him the whole time. And I'm sorry my

552
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 6: dog passed away this year, so.

553
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry.

554
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, what's weird about my dog passing too? My dog

555
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 6: actually passed away the same day as the guy that

556
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 6: hit me with the.

557
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 3: Cards in Are you serious?

558
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 4: Yes?

559
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 2: Angel, So he was like, it was like all threats

560
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 2: have passed, I'm ready to.

561
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 6: Go, right, And so it really like, even though I'm

562
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 6: sad that he's gone, and he was eight years which

563
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 6: isn't like a good long waye for that breed, it

564
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 6: was his time to go.

565
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, And so what was going through your head?

566
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 3: And this after all of this craziness.

567
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 6: So I looked around and I threw the knife and

568
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 6: I tossed it so that if any chance he couldn't

569
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 6: like Freddy Cougar and you know, come up.

570
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 4: So I tossed the knife away from his body.

571
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 6: And then I started looking around and assessing the situation.

572
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:13,479
Speaker 6: And I noticed that my arm was bleeding, so and

573
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 6: that was the only stab wound that I could see.

574
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 6: So I started applying pressure to it to slow down

575
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 6: the bleeding, and then I started to look around. I

576
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 6: got that covered and I checked on my dog. My

577
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 6: dog was just running around and he was trying to

578
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 6: eat the dull tacos and I was like, if that

579
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 6: could be poison, I would lose my shit. Yeah, so

580
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 6: I Another lady actually or a lady came up with

581
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 6: her yellow lab at this time and was like what

582
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 6: can I do to help? And I said, can you

583
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 6: please just grab my dog? And so she grabbed my dog.

584
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 6: And then other people started coming up during this time,

585
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 6: like a guy came up on a bike and he

586
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 6: gave me his jacket to put around my arm. And

587
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 6: then Sky, who was like in the dateline and the

588
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,959
Speaker 6: show and stuff, she came up and then started just

589
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 6: like asking me a question. She's a little fourteen the

590
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 6: fourteen Yeah, she's cute.

591
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, oh my gosh.

592
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 6: No. I was really thankful for her in that moment.

593
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 6: But I you know, I'm sad that I gave her trauma.

594
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 3: But you know you did, you did, Yeah, you did

595
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 3: not give her drama.

596
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 6: No, you give her Unfortunately some people think that.

597
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:36,479
Speaker 3: Okay, no. My answer to that is no, okay.

598
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 5: She's like, okay, thanks, now I know it's not.

599
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: Yeah crazy crazy?

600
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 3: Were you like just relieved that he was gone?

601
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: Like oh, I mean, I just can't even imagine all

602
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: the different like nuanced layers of trauma because like, this

603
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: is the man who's terrorized your family.

604
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 3: He just tried to kill you. Then you've killed him,

605
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 3: Like what the what did that feel like?

606
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 4: So I thought really bad?

607
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 5: That has ways I felt that.

608
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 4: I felt really bad.

609
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 6: I called my mom and I told her I think

610
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 6: I killed your husband.

611
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 4: I'm so sorry. I knew that this would happen. I'm

612
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 4: I And then I.

613
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 6: Tried calling my ex after that and his fun wasn't working,

614
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 6: and so I sent him and texting like you blocked me.

615
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 6: You're just an all sorts of drama, right, yeah, And

616
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 6: then he called me and then he was like what

617
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 6: because like he knew this, like that we were you know,

618
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 6: I was living in fear. I think even like after

619
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 6: our breakup, I went and stayed with him in LA

620
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 6: one time because I was like, I'm so in fear

621
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 6: for my life. I just like need to be held

622
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 6: for a little bit.

623
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 4: Just told me I'm safe there.

624
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 6: So you know, he knew that, like I was, probably

625
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 6: this day was going to come.

626
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my gosh, but you prevailed, which is yeah, amazing.

627
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 6: And then this is when the cops took my phone

628
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 6: from me too, and they're like you probably shouldn't be

629
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 6: making any calls right now. I'm also like, hey, I

630
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 6: need to call my friend and tell her I'm going

631
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 6: to be late for this concert tonight.

632
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 5: I'm like, you need to sit down.

633
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 4: Yeah. They're like, I don't know, I'm trying to make

634
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 4: it to this concert, but I'm not going to tell

635
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 4: you that right now.

636
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 3: Wow. Wow, how did your mom take it?

637
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 6: So her reaction when I told her, she was like wait,

638
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 6: what what what and just like you know, losing it.

639
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 6: And then she came to where I was at. But

640
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 6: they wouldn't let her get to me because I just

641
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 6: killed someone in self defense. So I need to be questioned,

642
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 6: even though it really sucks that that has to happen

643
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 6: because it would be nice to have her. Yeah, but

644
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 6: they did let me have my dog with me, but

645
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 6: I also threatened to sue.

646
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 4: Them, And sometimes that's what you got to do.

647
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 6: When you got to like get your way sometimes, like, yeah,

648
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 6: my dog should have been with me. My dog was

649
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 6: a esa animal and had a doctor's snout for him,

650
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 6: so legally he.

651
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 4: Had to be there with me, right, right, So you

652
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 4: know you got a fight for what you want sometimes.

653
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally, thank god? Right, Yeah, what a scary situation

654
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 3: to be in. Yeah, totally make sense.

655
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 4: Well, I was like flilling my arms.

656
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 6: I wouldn't let them put IVS in me or anything

657
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 6: unless I had my dog, So.

658
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 4: I was like, you're not touching me.

659
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 3: How injured were you?

660
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 6: I just had a stab wound in my forearm right here,

661
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 6: and then I didn't know but I had one in

662
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:56,479
Speaker 6: my chest. But that one was just like a centimeter.

663
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 3: Deep, thank god.

664
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 4: But it was weird that they.

665
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 6: Didn't find that for hours of being at the hospital.

666
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 4: Whoa.

667
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 6: And then when they found that one, they had to

668
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 6: switch me to the ICU.

669
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 2: WHOA.

670
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that you use the word just referring

671
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: to your stab wounds. You're like, oh, just the one

672
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 1: in my arm and justice sentimeter in white chess.

673
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 6: You know, I'm extremely lucky because if you think about him,

674
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 6: he's like six one sixty two. I'm like five to

675
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 6: one or five to two five two, and I'm like

676
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 6: one hundred and twenty pounds, So it's like this guy

677
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 6: had like one.

678
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 4: Hundred pounds on me. He you know.

679
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, the odds were stacked against me, and I walked

680
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 6: away with a stab wound in my arm and one

681
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 6: in my chest and well I had a slice on

682
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 6: my face, but it was like so artificial that it

683
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 6: literally closed up within like a few days.

684
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 3: Wow.

685
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 4: So he like graced me.

686
00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 3: Wow, so lucky.

687
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 6: And that's probably like when I kicked him, you know,

688
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 6: it probably that time, like.

689
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 5: I say, like it was kind of him falling back.

690
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

691
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Speaker 1: I also thought it was really interesting how his own

692
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: family reacted to the news.

693
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 3: Of his death.

694
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, because they his sisters like.

695
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 3: Knew he was a bad guy, right, and like, yeah, I.

696
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 6: Think one of his sisters had a restraining order on him.

697
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 6: I'm not one hundred percent sure, but I think she did.

698
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 3: One of them, or maybe both of them.

699
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: One of them definitely spoke for the podcast and was like,

700
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: I said goodbye to him long ago. I didn't need

701
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: to come see him dead because he just like had

702
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: ruined so many lives at that point.

703
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,760
Speaker 6: Like oh, unlike the Dirty John podcast.

704
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I just want to mention that too, because

705
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: it's like a person died and you you're like, oh,

706
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: well that the family might be mourning him, and it's

707
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: like even his family was like no peace. Yeah. Yeah,

708
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, not that we ever want anybody

709
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:08,919
Speaker 1: to die, but like if someone's gonna die.

710
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 4: Well, I mean I could.

711
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 6: Think of a few people, you know, yeah, like that

712
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 6: cloud chaser guy whatever, Leonora's stalker.

713
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 7: I'm so scary, so scary.

714
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,919
Speaker 3: We should have Lenora on sometimes talk about him.

715
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: Anyway, So can you tell us, like, what do you

716
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,280
Speaker 1: feel you learn from this experience?

717
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 3: If anything?

718
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 4: Oh, my gosh, so much.

719
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 6: Well. I was kind of forced to deal with everything

720
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 6: since I got stabbed and I a lot of people

721
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:41,760
Speaker 6: were like, she needs therapy.

722
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 4: So you know, I went to therapy.

723
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 6: I didn't find the best therapist at first because I

724
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 6: went through Kaiser and I was able to see my

725
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 6: therapist once a month, and I was just like, I

726
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 6: just got stabbed, I killed my stepdad.

727
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I might need a lot of therapy.

728
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: Yeah twice a week, Yeah yeah, yeah, twice a week.

729
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, no exactly. And so I kind of went into

730
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 6: like this cycle of just like going out with my friends,

731
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 6: getting drunk with them, like doing anything and everything, like

732
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 6: let's roofy myself like.

733
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 4: I don't know, you just state that, yeah yeah.

734
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 6: And then it got to a place where it was

735
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 6: just like really bad. I wasn't healing, it was just

736
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 6: getting worse. Every trigger was just terrible. I was losing

737
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 6: my mind. I was self inflicting harm against myself, like

738
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 6: hitting my head.

739
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 4: Over and over again.

740
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:42,439
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

741
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 6: I don't like blood, so I would never cut myself.

742
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 6: But it was just getting to that point. And I

743
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 6: did get back together with my eggs during that time too,

744
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 6: And then he had soone in his life that was

745
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 6: trying to like be his girlfriend that was like his

746
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 6: roommate though, so it was just like I started to

747
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 6: be threatened by her, and those me feeling threatened kind

748
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 6: of turned into like I feel like.

749
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 4: She's going to kill me, and me saying that to him, he.

750
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 6: Thought I was completely crazy in stime and didn't have

751
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 6: understanding of what I went through, and so.

752
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:27,760
Speaker 3: That's what was happening.

753
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 6: He got into a relationship with that girl and ended

754
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 6: things with me, and so like there was a lot

755
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 6: of like just figuring things out, and you know, I

756
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 6: think it's best that I'm not with him. I was

757
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 6: thankful that he was there during that time, even though after.

758
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 4: A few weeks it wasn't the best.

759
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 6: But you know, I did learn like the only person

760
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 6: that's going to heal yourself at the end of the

761
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 6: day is yourself. And you cannot say things like that

762
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 6: person is gonna murder.

763
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 4: Me, you know, unless it's like, you know, someone actually.

764
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 6: Making threats against your life, and like John, Yeah, but

765
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 6: it was just like I had to go through this

766
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 6: fear cycle, Aaron. It felt like anyone who wasn't with

767
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 6: me just you know, was probably gonna hurt me.

768
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: That's an understandable fear to have. After that and your

769
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: previous extrame like hitting you with the car, I mean,

770
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: like that is a that is a fuck ton of

771
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: trauma for one woman. Oh yeah, yeah, did you find

772
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: a good therapist?

773
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 6: Yes? So I actually ended up moving to Austin, Texas

774
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 6: and my sister I have three sisters one brother by

775
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 6: the way, So my oldest sister, she lives there and

776
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 6: she just had surgery and had taken time off work,

777
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 6: but she was like already recovered, but she was still

778
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 6: had her time off work, and so she is like,

779
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 6: come out here, let me love you, let me help you,

780
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,720
Speaker 6: let me get you the healing that you need. And

781
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 6: she really held space for me. Love my nieces and

782
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 6: nephews too, because they were so gentle. And I just

783
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,760
Speaker 6: know if anyone comes into their lives that has trauma

784
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 6: they're gonna be completely understanding.

785
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:23,720
Speaker 4: And love that person.

786
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 6: And that's what like these people, these little kids.

787
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 4: Did to me that didn't understand.

788
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 6: And it's funny because like my nephew went through my

789
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 6: sister's phone one day and was like aunty Tia killed someone,

790
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 6: and like he's like in.

791
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 4: There was like pictures too.

792
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 6: My mom sent him my sister pictures and so he

793
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 6: like saw a lot of things for like such.

794
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 4: A young age.

795
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 6: You know, but there's gonna be so many people that

796
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 6: they're able to help because they're able.

797
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 4: To see me, you know, go through that transition.

798
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 6: And you know that's if not if you don't have

799
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 6: a trauma in your life, at least you can see

800
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 6: other people's traumas and be there to validate them, man,

801
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 6: give them a lot empathize.

802
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, was there a particular just if anyone listening is

803
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: has trauma in their life, is there a particular like

804
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: kind of therapy that really worked for you?

805
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 5: Yeah?

806
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 6: Em Dr therapy it's the best.

807
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 4: I swear by it.

808
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 6: Done it to Okay, yes, you know, when you're going

809
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 6: through it, I got to say that it's going to

810
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 6: bring up stuff and might bring up you know, hidden

811
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 6: memories from other past traumas, because it's crazy how traumas

812
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 6: are kind of correlated to get there, and like when

813
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 6: you're in EMDR you're like, oh my gosh, when I

814
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 6: was five this happened, and then twenty when this happened,

815
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 6: and they're all connected.

816
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is really interesting, like something you'd like never

817
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: think about from when you were four years old, Like

818
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: is the same story that another trauma brings up?

819
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 3: Like it's really all just like an interwoven map in

820
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 3: your head and you have to neutralize those memories. Oh yeah, yeah.

821
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 2: Do you live life differently knowing like I was a

822
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 2: centimeter away from dying.

823
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 6: Well, I definitely took a lot of time to.

824
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 4: Kind of blow my life rights money.

825
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 5: Yeah.

826
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 6: I went to Thailand because that was on my bucket list.

827
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 6: I went to New Zealand and I saw Haibition and

828
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 6: I I'm a huge Lord of the Rings fan, so

829
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 6: I like got Ganned off the Gray's hat. Yeah, it's

830
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 6: like eighty hundred dollars and I was wearing it.

831
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 3: That Shall Not Pass yeah yeah yeah, living it up?

832
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, So.

833
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 4: I did like that stuff.

834
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 6: I went to Stagecoach, got my friend's rip tickets. Then

835
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 6: I got to meet Jason Oltz because I was going

836
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 6: to his concert that night.

837
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 4: So you know, I've really enjoyed.

838
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 6: Life, and so many opportunities wouldn't have been given to

839
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 6: me if this story wasn't as publicized as it was.

840
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 6: So I'm very thankful that I got to meet Jason

841
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 6: Olzen and you know, meeting you guys here today, it's

842
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 6: like we're all connecting and sharing stories and just energy

843
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 6: and energy and how can we heal the real? Yeah?

844
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, Is there anything else you want to say

845
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: or share or do?

846
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 3: Are you on social media?

847
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I'm on social media. I'm Tara yule T

848
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 6: E R R A N E W E l L.

849
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 6: And also, if you have trauma in your life, you want.

850
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,240
Speaker 4: To work on things, I do hold workshops.

851
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 6: And then I do do personal coaching, but I am

852
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 6: selective of the clients I'm taking right now because I'm

853
00:42:58,600 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 6: also like.

854
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 4: I'm like a couple of different things to help.

855
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 6: Balance my life in a way where because I have him,

856
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,439
Speaker 6: I like to do dog walking and pet sitting now, yeah,

857
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 6: of course, and I have so much experience with that, so,

858
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 6: you know, and that's something that I had to give

859
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:20,439
Speaker 6: up because of my trauma. Dog sparking became a very

860
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 6: big trigger afterwards. Oh yeah, so you know, I'm happy

861
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:28,479
Speaker 6: to get back into that space. Yeah, but I'm able

862
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 6: to like do coaching clients for part of the day,

863
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 6: then go walk dogs, be one with nature, and then

864
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 6: go back and like do emails or you know, a

865
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 6: podcast or something.

866
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

867
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I mean it's great to see how this how

868
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: you've healed, how you've able to be like.

869
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you're just like a pure ball of light,

870
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 2: and yeah, it's so sweet.

871
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 5: I do have one final question.

872
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 2: Do you feel like he knew like before like, oh

873
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 2: she got me, like I want him to have known that.

874
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 5: Do you feel like he did. I lost like.

875
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:06,240
Speaker 6: The moment that he like grunted and like lost his air,

876
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 6: you know. I think that was the moment where it

877
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 6: was like I think, but I.

878
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 4: Am very spiritual.

879
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 6: I don't really see him separating from his body or

880
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 6: like his soul and kind of being detached from like

881
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 6: the realthy things. I think that his soul's forever like

882
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 6: in darkness and stuff, if that makes sense, because like

883
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 6: my eggs that hit me with a car. But I

884
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 6: also had a different relationship with him, like I felt

885
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 6: his soul, detach and like be apologetic to really matters.

886
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 6: I don't think that John soul will ever be at ease.

887
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 2: Interesting, well, he has eternity, so hopefully something will work

888
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 2: its way in there.

889
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 6: Or he's reincarnated to a fly every day.

890
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,240
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for talking to us. This is fascinating.

891
00:44:58,560 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me.

892
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 3: Okay, folks, there we have it. Tara, the Admirable Tara Megan.

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Speaker 1: We already know if you, you know, would maybe be

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Speaker 1: vulnerable to someone like John from a dating app. But

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Speaker 1: today I guess the question would be, do you think

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Speaker 1: that you would have been able to defend yourself in

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Speaker 1: such a manner?

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Speaker 3: No, I also don't.

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Speaker 2: That's one of the reasons I want to take her

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Speaker 2: class honestly at her chorus as well, But honestly I

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Speaker 2: don't know.

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Speaker 5: Like I can get pretty crazy.

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Speaker 2: I think that she is one in a million people

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Speaker 2: who knew the exact things to do to get that

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Speaker 2: man dead.

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Speaker 1: Well, it also seems to indicate like a very particular

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Speaker 1: kind of brank. Like I watch a shit ton of

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Speaker 1: horror movies, but I'm not learning about self defense in

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Speaker 1: any way, shape or form watching those. I'm not like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: analytical enough to be like aha, when you hold the

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Speaker 1: knife this way and hit the particular part of the body.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think I would probably be extremely dead

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Speaker 2: if he had his way with me, but I would try.

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Speaker 5: I would definitely try to kill him. I just can't

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Speaker 5: believe she had to go through that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I agree, and we get to talk to

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Speaker 1: her more. Just frenzies this week. It was very exciting.

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Speaker 2: Thank you guys so much for listening to another glorious

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Speaker 2: episode of Trust Me. We can't wait to see you

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Speaker 2: again next week. Remember till then to follow your gut,

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Speaker 2: watch out for red flags.

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Speaker 3: And never ever trust me. Bye.