Speaker 1: Hello everyone, It is the Queen of these between nineteen and.
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Speaker 2: As always, I am joined by the who Who's Chad
Speaker 2: and Chad.
Speaker 1: Happy New Year to you.
Speaker 3: Happy New Year twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: Could you believe it? I cannot unreal. How's your New
Speaker 1: Year ago?
Speaker 3: It was great? Yeah, I think it was wonderful. But
Speaker 3: you know what I got to feel in twenty twenty
Speaker 3: four is gonna be the year of Eyes up Here.
Speaker 2: It's a little line.
Speaker 3: What do you think about that?
Speaker 1: Well, tell it you didn't know it? Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it's good. I think I'm excited about it.
Speaker 2: I had a great New Year's Eve I did signed
Speaker 2: by Superstars. That was crazy and if you didn't watch it,
Speaker 2: you missed out. It's always a party over there. The
Speaker 2: third year in a row that I did it.
Speaker 1: We sold a lot of March nott.
Speaker 2: A eight x tens, drank a lot of booze.
Speaker 1: It was a good time.
Speaker 3: So my favorite part is just going in and out.
Speaker 3: So I'll check in and you'll be like going off
Speaker 3: about one thing and laughing hysterically, and then I'll tap
Speaker 3: out for a couple of minutes and come back. It'd
Speaker 3: be the exact same thing when you go back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm just a little more shift faced than
Speaker 2: I was five minutes prior.
Speaker 1: So it's always a good time.
Speaker 2: I like it, and so we'll probably do it again
Speaker 2: next year.
Speaker 1: But it's good.
Speaker 2: So happy twenty twenty four everyone. We had such a
Speaker 2: good response to last week's podcast about Tommy Sitch and
Speaker 2: her last interview, we decided to do a second part
Speaker 2: and we only got through about sixteen minutes because I
Speaker 2: was so fired up and I had so much to say.
Speaker 2: So I don't know how much we'll get through today,
Speaker 2: but we're going to try to finish it off. And
Speaker 2: you know, I'm glad that everybody enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot to learn. This is definitely not
Speaker 3: as like this is a little more light, which I
Speaker 3: think we need a little bit of levity in between
Speaker 3: the craziness that is this story, which we'll it's going
Speaker 3: to tap back into it towards the end of it,
Speaker 3: but this next portion, at least you got there's a
Speaker 3: little more context to the relationship you guys had, which
Speaker 3: I think is super important to learn as we also
Speaker 3: dive back into this topic again, is your relationship with
Speaker 3: her and the not even reship, the friendship that you
Speaker 3: guys had. This is where I think we're gonna we're
Speaker 3: learning a little bit more about that.
Speaker 2: And this is where the backlash started after we posted this,
Speaker 2: because people were like, how could you sit there and
Speaker 2: laugh and tell stories? And it's like, you know, at
Speaker 2: this point, again, I'm gonna say it, the Florida incident
Speaker 2: did not happen. Okay. I never made light of anything
Speaker 2: that happened prior. I told her fifty times how wrong
Speaker 2: she was and how we're going to get on the
Speaker 2: straight and narrow and blah blah blah. So I didn't
Speaker 2: want this whole interview to be doom and gloom. I
Speaker 2: this was the first time I sat down with her
Speaker 2: and did something like this, so I thought it would
Speaker 2: be nice to give a backstory and to tell the
Speaker 2: fans how we developed our relationship and things that we
Speaker 2: did together, and to let people see the bond that
Speaker 2: we formed and the friendship that we created. I didn't
Speaker 2: think there was anything wrong with that, but apparently a
Speaker 2: lot of people did, and I got a lot of
Speaker 2: people on YouTube when we aired this. A lot of
Speaker 2: people just hammering me for, you know, posting something light
Speaker 2: hearted in this interview when I should just be focusing
Speaker 2: on how horrible a person she is, and why am
Speaker 2: I sitting here laughing with her and having a good time.
Speaker 1: So, I mean, you can be the judge of that.
Speaker 1: I just thought it would.
Speaker 2: Be nice to just explain, because you know what, when
Speaker 2: you have a friend on, that's what you do. How
Speaker 2: did we meet? Do you remember the first time we met?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: Do you remember when we first worked together? I just
Speaker 2: didn't want it to be all negative and again I
Speaker 2: thought she was on the straight and narrow. I thought
Speaker 2: this was going to be a turning point for her
Speaker 2: and things were going to be great and she was
Speaker 2: going to come back strong. That's what I had hoped.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not not tredamus. I don't know the future,
Speaker 2: you know. I I couldn't have predicted what happened. What
Speaker 2: was it six months after this interview was taken place,
Speaker 2: or however long it was like, I didn't know. So
Speaker 2: of course I'm going to try and turn it into
Speaker 2: a positive direction, and I'm going to try to get
Speaker 2: some good stories in there that I thought people would enjoy,
Speaker 2: so you can be the judge.
Speaker 3: Well, we have an update too on her status since
Speaker 3: we recorded this part one, there is an update. I
Speaker 3: guess we could save that to the end of this
Speaker 3: viewing and kind of go over it. But there's actually,
Speaker 3: I mean, there's really been two updates since the recording
Speaker 3: of that first part, so we can dive into that afterwards,
Speaker 3: since we've already kind of built this little piece up.
Speaker 3: But ok yeah, I'm ready to dive into it if
Speaker 3: you are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go.
Speaker 3: All right, So again, if you need to stop me,
Speaker 3: raise your hand or say schmuck, oh stop the tape.
Speaker 2: I'll just raise my hand.
Speaker 3: Okay, please thank you for not insulting me. I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Es.
Speaker 3: Actually, the New Year knew me. I was gonna say
Speaker 3: New Year that we just will go in the right direction.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Well, I was thrilled when I heard you were done. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and because you know you and I. I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't even remember what year we met, but I remember
Speaker 2: the first night I met you.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember the first night we met,
Speaker 1: but I do.
Speaker 2: It was at the arena and I was I don't
Speaker 2: know who I was walking with, but I.
Speaker 1: Was like, walking this way.
Speaker 2: You were walking this way, okay, And I remember everybody
Speaker 2: warning me about you, don't be friends with her, don't
Speaker 2: be friends. I didn't know you, so I didn't know.
Speaker 2: And you know, for me, I have to like, I
Speaker 2: take it with a grain of salt. But if you're
Speaker 2: good to me, I to you.
Speaker 1: That's the way I look at things, right me too.
Speaker 2: So you're coming this way, and all in the back
Speaker 2: of my head, I just keep hearing don't be friends
Speaker 2: with her, don't be friends with her. And you leaned
Speaker 2: over to me as were walking, and grabbed my arms.
Speaker 1: And was like, I've been wanting to meet you.
Speaker 2: And I said, and I've been wanting to meet you,
Speaker 2: and and we were we kind of said let's get
Speaker 2: together later because we were both doing something like I
Speaker 2: don't know if we were doing.
Speaker 1: We were doing something, okay, And and I like, I
Speaker 1: kept walking, and I said, she doesn't seem that bad,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Like, if you were
Speaker 1: such a bitch, why would you.
Speaker 4: You know I am, but not to everybody.
Speaker 1: But we're all a bitch in a sense. We all
Speaker 1: have our bitchy moments.
Speaker 2: But I mean we I thought we clicked right then
Speaker 2: and there, and from that night on we've been friends
Speaker 2: ever since.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, so.
Speaker 2: That happened one percent. I remember it like it was yesterday.
Speaker 2: The anxiety that the boys gave me about this girl
Speaker 2: was ridiculous. Every single person was like, you're not gonna
Speaker 2: like her. She's gonna come in and she's a spot stealer,
Speaker 2: she's she's im for that, you know your position, and
Speaker 2: she'll she'll sleep with your boyfriend, like the whole nine yards. Like,
Speaker 2: I don't think there was one person, only Chris, because obviously,
Speaker 2: you know, Chris loved her, and you know, Chris was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I can't wait for her to meet you, and blah blah,
Speaker 2: blah blah. Every single other person in that locker room
Speaker 2: had nothing nice to say about Tommy. Negative, negative, negative,
Speaker 2: And I was just like sitting there like wow, all
Speaker 2: these things like I'm gonna hate this girl. I'm probably
Speaker 2: gonna hate her. But I tried to keep an open mind,
Speaker 2: you know, because, like I said, I judge a person
Speaker 2: by the way they treat me. And I've heard terrible
Speaker 2: things about people in the past, like what people did
Speaker 2: to other people, but these people were good to me
Speaker 2: and they never crossed me, so, you know, being I
Speaker 2: think I'm a good judge character for the most part.
Speaker 2: But with Tammy up until like this whole debacle happened,
Speaker 2: we never fought. We never had anything bad to say
Speaker 2: about each other, Like there were no ill will whatsoever.
Speaker 2: I love this girl and got.
Speaker 1: Along with her.
Speaker 2: Never once did she stiff me. Never did I stiff her,
Speaker 2: worked wonderful together, like, never had a problem, not once.
Speaker 2: So every single person who buried her to me, in
Speaker 2: my opinion, I mean, maybe they were trying to look
Speaker 2: out for me, I don't know, and maybe they had
Speaker 2: negative interactions with her in the past, but I never did.
Speaker 2: And I will say that every single time I talk
Speaker 2: about this girl, there was not one thing that I
Speaker 2: can say negative about her.
Speaker 1: Prior.
Speaker 2: So let's just put that out there.
Speaker 3: And this is before she's full blown there, correct, This
Speaker 3: is just when she's coming as Chris's girlfriend Beyonce.
Speaker 2: She might have been starting with us at this point.
Speaker 2: I don't remember, And maybe maybe she wasn't like I
Speaker 2: would assume. I would have met her a couple of
Speaker 2: times she came in to just hang out, so maybe
Speaker 2: this was just she was hanging out. I don't remember
Speaker 2: if she actually did anything like I remember one night
Speaker 2: she was like I think she was wearing that had
Speaker 2: said on the in the Eagle's Nest, like on the.
Speaker 1: Top helping Paul. I don't I don't.
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know, but she wasn't like part of
Speaker 2: the locker room per se. And I don't know if
Speaker 2: at this point she was released, because I think she was.
Speaker 2: She was coming when she was I think she was
Speaker 2: still working, yeah, and she would come and I don't
Speaker 2: know how she got the time off, but there were times,
Speaker 2: so it must have been before she was even with us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she she said she help Paul at the pay
Speaker 3: per view. She helped Paul barely legal in ninety seven,
Speaker 3: and I don't believe they released her until mid ninety eight.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so it had to be before she was
Speaker 2: active with us. But I mean even still, like you
Speaker 2: hear all this stuff, and you know, I don't know
Speaker 2: what she did behind closed doors, but that didn't affect me, right,
Speaker 2: I that was none of my business I had. You know,
Speaker 2: whatever they were doing in private was their business and
Speaker 2: it wasn't my business. So you know, if she came
Speaker 2: in and I had a boyfriend and she slept with
Speaker 2: my boyfriend that it would have been my business. But
Speaker 2: I didn't care what she was doing. It didn't affect me.
Speaker 2: I wasn't included in that. So and again a lot
Speaker 2: of those stories, were they true, were they not true?
Speaker 2: I don't know. You hear so many stories. And the
Speaker 2: reason why I say that is there's stories about me
Speaker 2: that aren't true. So I don't know what's true and
Speaker 2: what's not true about Tammy. I honestly, I couldn't care
Speaker 2: less at this point. That doesn't affect me. What I
Speaker 2: focused on was the kind of person she was, how
Speaker 2: I interacted with her, how we got along.
Speaker 1: And I can honestly.
Speaker 2: Say one hundred she became like a sister to me,
Speaker 2: because that's how close we were at one point. And
Speaker 2: you know, I enjoyed my time with her in the
Speaker 2: ring and outside of the ring, all.
Speaker 3: Right, picking a bag up, And I.
Speaker 1: Always tell people, like everybody's like, how is Tammy.
Speaker 2: I'm like, look, I've been friends with her for twenty
Speaker 2: something years, Like I love the girl. I loved working
Speaker 2: with her, I loved her outside of the business.
Speaker 1: I've never had an argument, like a real argument with you.
Speaker 4: I don't think we've had her.
Speaker 2: No, like we've bickered about stupid bullshit, but nothing but
Speaker 2: not like.
Speaker 4: A fight, not like you have.
Speaker 1: No we've ever been mad at each other, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. But it's never come to that. And
Speaker 1: all these people.
Speaker 2: Like, I don't know why you have such a bad reputation.
Speaker 4: I think because when it comes to business, I can
Speaker 4: be a real bitch because I don't let people walk
Speaker 4: all over me. But that's a good thing, yeah, because
Speaker 4: what I used to have to do a lot and
Speaker 4: you were probably there at some shows like with Chris.
Speaker 4: You know, he was a horrible businessman, nicest guy in
Speaker 4: the world, but he would let people screw him over
Speaker 4: left and right. He would take a show with a
Speaker 4: guarantee of let's say seven point fifty, and the promoter
Speaker 4: will walk up, Hey, listen, I only have three hundred. Okay,
Speaker 4: that's all right, and I'm like, no, that's not okay.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: I would have to get in the promoter's face and
Speaker 4: demand the money and get bitchy, and he would get paid.
Speaker 4: So I got that reputation of being, you know, in
Speaker 4: the business just because I don't let people walk all
Speaker 4: over me or him.
Speaker 3: But there was I want to ask a question about that.
Speaker 3: Do you think that's all that had to do with
Speaker 3: that reputation was being the heavy for Chris when he
Speaker 3: got underpaid.
Speaker 2: No, And while she was saying that, it brought me
Speaker 2: back to when we interviewed Bubba or bully Ry or
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call him, he said the same thing.
Speaker 2: It's like, I said to him, why do you have
Speaker 2: such a negative, you know, rep And he was like, well,
Speaker 2: when it comes to promoters, I don't let them take
Speaker 2: advantage of me. Now I understand that about promoters, but
Speaker 2: you know, I wanted to kind of dive into like
Speaker 2: personal too, but then I was just like, Okay, I
Speaker 2: don't want to push things, you know.
Speaker 1: What I mean?
Speaker 2: Because there's a lot of the boys that didn't like him,
Speaker 2: so to speak. But whatever, a lot of the boys
Speaker 2: didn't like her, and I think that stems back to
Speaker 2: the way she treated Chris. And I use my air
Speaker 2: quotes because again, allegedly all those stories that are out there,
Speaker 2: you know, a lot of people said Chris tolerated it
Speaker 2: because he was so in love with her, and that
Speaker 2: goes back to like the click and the Shawn Michaels stuff,
Speaker 2: and you know, having her in Sean's locker room and
Speaker 2: having I don't know if it was Kevin Nash or
Speaker 2: Sean Waltman. Somebody watched the door and then Chris would
Speaker 2: like walk by and she'd be in that locker room.
Speaker 2: I wasn't I didn't work for them. I wasn't there.
Speaker 2: So I you know, are these stories true, are they
Speaker 2: not true? I don't know. But a lot of the
Speaker 2: boys didn't have respect for her because they had so
Speaker 2: much respect for Candido, and they didn't like the way
Speaker 2: that she treated Chris. So I understand what she's saying
Speaker 2: business wise, just like I understood what Bubba was saying
Speaker 2: business wise. And honestly, if a promoter says I'm gonna
Speaker 2: pay you seven fifty, he should pay you seven to fifty,
Speaker 2: whether there's one ticket sold or one thousand tickets sold.
Speaker 2: You know, like we never go if you worked at
Speaker 2: Low's and you're supposed to make thirteen dollars an hour
Speaker 2: but they didn't sell anything, and you think that guy's
Speaker 2: gonna come and say, well, I'm only gonna pay you
Speaker 2: six dollars an hour.
Speaker 1: No, that's not the way it works.
Speaker 2: You know, this business is crazy because people think they
Speaker 2: can adjust your prices. If you agree to something, you
Speaker 2: should get that money. So I one hundred percent agree
Speaker 2: with Tammy on that, and maybe that's why promoters didn't
Speaker 2: like her. I do know Chris.
Speaker 1: Was like that.
Speaker 2: He was wishy washy because he loved working. He would
Speaker 2: have worked for free, but that's not how you make
Speaker 2: a living, you know. And Chris would have been out
Speaker 2: on the road every weekend working for peanuts, while you know,
Speaker 2: Tammy wants the money. And I'm on tammy side for
Speaker 2: that because I'm not going to go out and I'm
Speaker 2: not going to take anything less than what you offered me.
Speaker 2: So one hundred percent I'm on her side with that.
Speaker 1: But I do.
Speaker 2: Feel like it's not everything. That's not the full reason.
Speaker 2: That's just a little bit. And maybe that's just the
Speaker 2: promoter part of it.
Speaker 3: So I'm just picturing her getting heavy on dapper Johnny
Speaker 3: Falco up there in Central Jersey.
Speaker 2: Look, she said it. She could be a real bitch,
Speaker 2: and when it comes to money, I think, you know,
Speaker 2: that brings out a different side of people. And I'll
Speaker 2: fight for what I believe in and I could be
Speaker 2: a real bitch too, And I'm sure you could be
Speaker 2: a real bitch if it comes down to it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, if your promise something, you should get it.
Speaker 2: It's just common courtesy. It's just the way it is.
Speaker 2: So you know, when when think of it this way,
Speaker 2: if you're the promoter, it's just like when they send
Speaker 2: a deposit out and then oh, I don't feel like
Speaker 2: showing up, which I've never done that, by the way,
Speaker 2: but you know, I'm.
Speaker 1: Just going to keep the money. Is that right?
Speaker 2: No, that's one hundred percent wrong. So coming in for
Speaker 2: seven fifty but getting paid three hundred dollars, that's like
Speaker 2: four hundred and fifty dollars.
Speaker 3: That's not there, right, Yeah, that's a big that's a
Speaker 3: big chunk.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's like it's wrong on both accounts. Like
Speaker 2: wrestlers have been wrong with promoters, but more so, promoters
Speaker 2: have tried to screw wrestlers over for years and it's
Speaker 2: just bad business. So I applaud Tammy for wearing the
Speaker 2: pants in that relationship when it came to getting.
Speaker 3: His money agreed all right, picking back up.
Speaker 4: So many people I had to get in their face
Speaker 4: at shows because they didn't they were trying to, you know,
Speaker 4: cut his money because they.
Speaker 2: Sort of worked for Yeah, Chris would work for free,
Speaker 2: like he just loved the business so much it he
Speaker 2: could have had a.
Speaker 4: Twenty thousand dollars guarantee, and of the guy would say, hey, listen,
Speaker 4: I can't pay it, and I can I get you
Speaker 4: next year, because he'd be like, yeah, no problem, and
Speaker 4: it's like no, So I would have to be the voice.
Speaker 4: So I got that reputation of being a bitch. But
Speaker 4: when it comes to you, when it comes to business,
Speaker 4: business is business, and you're not going to screw me
Speaker 4: or anybody. I love over but you know, but other
Speaker 4: than that, I think I'm pretty easy going.
Speaker 1: I listen, we've worked together so.
Speaker 2: Many times, I know, and there was never a moment
Speaker 2: where either of us got hurt.
Speaker 1: No, we after our asses off under our air.
Speaker 4: Pop off.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, do you remember that? Yes, Chad, do
Speaker 1: you know what she's talking about?
Speaker 3: I think we have talked about it before, but.
Speaker 2: Please we so, Tammy and I frequented the Fetish Factory and.
Speaker 4: Yes, oh I was just there last year and then
Speaker 4: it's not there anymore.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I don't think it's open anymore.
Speaker 4: For it it was it was this place.
Speaker 2: It was expensive too. I don't know how we found it,
Speaker 2: but we found it.
Speaker 4: I thought we just drove by it and saw it
Speaker 4: and said, oh, let's stop bondage.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: We thought it'd just be like cool clothes, and it
Speaker 4: was a whole bondage store.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was like sex stuff. It was.
Speaker 4: It was this crazy masks, like zippers across the mounts.
Speaker 2: Like gas mask and they had whips and changing.
Speaker 1: But remember when you first walked in there were the
Speaker 1: butt plugs. Were like there were so many crazy things.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so here we go, Chad like, she and I
Speaker 4: think we're gonna find some cool clothes for work. And
Speaker 4: we go in and sa all this bondage stuff. We're
Speaker 4: like you guys, like, hey, ladies, how you do? And
Speaker 4: we're like it was such a creep too. So so
Speaker 4: Franny's looking through this rack of rubber clothing and she
Speaker 4: finds this awesome dress and the dress has a full
Speaker 4: zipper up the front and a full zipper.
Speaker 1: Up the back.
Speaker 4: I didn't find anything I like, but she's like, I
Speaker 4: have to have this dress. It was four hundred dollars
Speaker 4: to four hundred dollars for a rubber dress.
Speaker 1: It was like a murder. It was a gown. It
Speaker 1: was a murmaid.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was long, long time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was long.
Speaker 4: Wasn't it like a reddish color?
Speaker 2: It was red? Yes, it was hot red. It was
Speaker 2: like a red lipstick, like I what the call? Yeah,
Speaker 2: devil red.
Speaker 4: So she buys this dress.
Speaker 2: I bought this dress and I bring it to the
Speaker 2: arena and Paul says, well, you're only doing a run
Speaker 2: in tonight, and that's the only dress that I brought
Speaker 2: that day. And I was like, well, shit, you know this,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna waste the four hundred dollars dressing like this
Speaker 2: five second running that's gonna suck. Well, little did I
Speaker 2: know that that clip would make it ten shows. We had.
Speaker 4: We had to run in on Bam Bam Bigelow. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I don't even remember the setup, but please, I don't
Speaker 4: remember the whole thing. But we had to run in
Speaker 4: on bammer and I ran in first, and he basically
Speaker 4: just scooped me up onto his shoulder like for his finish.
Speaker 4: Then you come running in and he's supposed to scoop
Speaker 4: you up on his other shoulder first finish. He's supposed
Speaker 4: to have both of us up here. Now I'm already
Speaker 4: up on his shoulder, you know, flailing in the breeze,
Speaker 4: you come running, you put one knee upon the apron
Speaker 4: to get up. Back zipper popiack whole thing you see, no.
Speaker 1: Braw one and I have the microthong. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So this dress you couldn't wear a bra with it.
Speaker 2: And I had on the tiniest song I think I
Speaker 2: ever worn my life, not thinking that it.
Speaker 1: Was going to pop off, and it was.
Speaker 2: It was legit rubber, like rubber, like a tire rubber.
Speaker 2: It was one of the tightest outfits I've ever worn
Speaker 2: in my life. When I went to get up, the
Speaker 2: zipper did pop open because I think instead of I think,
Speaker 2: it zipped downward instead of zipping upward. So the way
Speaker 2: I put my leg up, the zipper just went up
Speaker 2: and went out. So it looked like I was wearing
Speaker 2: an apron that wasn't tied, so the whole If you
Speaker 2: saw me from the back, I was almost completely naked
Speaker 2: except for this tiny thong, and I made sure to
Speaker 2: hold the front against my breast because I didn't have
Speaker 2: a brown Bam BAM's face was pure terror.
Speaker 1: It just looked at me like what is going on?
Speaker 1: And I just looked at him.
Speaker 2: I was just like just I think I said something
Speaker 2: like just me up. I was mortified, mortified, and like
Speaker 2: I remember jumping, you know, getting on his shoulder and
Speaker 2: looking at Tammy and she just said you're naked, and
Speaker 2: I was like I know.
Speaker 1: And you could see.
Speaker 2: Us hysterical laughing as were, and then Shane comes out
Speaker 2: and he drops us. He Honest to god, I think
Speaker 2: it was played for ten weeks straight, like ten weeks ago,
Speaker 2: and you see WTV.
Speaker 1: Here I come.
Speaker 2: When I went into the back, I got a standing ovation.
Speaker 2: I was mortified, absolutely mortified, and I don't think I
Speaker 2: ever wore that dress again. So four hundred dollars down
Speaker 2: the dream honestly terrible.
Speaker 3: We agreed with a towel.
Speaker 2: No, I was literally just kind of like holding I
Speaker 2: was trying to hold the dress in place, you know,
Speaker 2: and maybe Atlas helped me cover me. I don't even
Speaker 2: remember how I got out of the arena that day,
Speaker 2: but good lord, that was like one of the it's
Speaker 2: the pile driver. When my boobs actually came completely out.
Speaker 2: That was like the worst malfunctioned wardrobe malfunction I've ever
Speaker 2: had in my life. It was so bad, crazy, and
Speaker 2: it's one. It's got to be on YouTube.
Speaker 3: I think I've seen it, yeah, on Twitter shared, No,
Speaker 3: probably fairly recently.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think somebody, I think they did tweet
Speaker 2: to me because I said worst wardrobe malfunctioning.
Speaker 1: Whoa the driver is the worst one.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, thanks for reminding me about that one.
Speaker 1: Too, terrible. So yeah, so that's that's what we're talking
Speaker 1: about here.
Speaker 4: Like me, pick a back up, Yeah, gets in the ring,
Speaker 4: gets up to Bammer and as he's picking her up,
Speaker 4: onto her shoulder front zipper pops open.
Speaker 1: No no no, no no no yeah.
Speaker 4: And you're starting to hold it closed. And I'm already
Speaker 4: up on his shoulder and I look over and I
Speaker 4: just lost it. I just know you your name kick.
Speaker 2: Laughing and bam BAM's face like he looked like he
Speaker 2: shipped a brick in his pants, like he didn't know
Speaker 2: what to do.
Speaker 4: And I was here, we are, but both them Bambam's
Speaker 4: shoulders supposed to be afraid for our life. He's about
Speaker 4: to kill us at think or just crack up. She's
Speaker 4: naked on his shoulder with a little piece of rubber
Speaker 4: like she's trying to cover her boobs with the rubber
Speaker 4: the whole back time.
Speaker 1: The sime Ever wore that four hundred dollars dress.
Speaker 4: Thank god, because what happened again, that is awful.
Speaker 2: You know what my favorite spot is I think that
Speaker 2: we ever did. I think it was in Buffalo. I
Speaker 2: think it was the Burt Flickinger Center. I don't know
Speaker 2: why this is popping in n I don't remember the
Speaker 2: name of that ever, the Burt Flickinger Center, because it
Speaker 2: had it was a cool building and it had like
Speaker 2: the bleachers went all the way up, but the entrance way,
Speaker 2: the entranceway was in the middle, and then there were
Speaker 2: two bleachers here. And I don't remember the match at all,
Speaker 2: but I remember for some reason, I went to the
Speaker 2: back and we worked it out before and you and
Speaker 2: Chris were supposed to grab me. Shane is still in
Speaker 2: the ring, and I remember saying to Chris, go get
Speaker 2: a knife.
Speaker 1: Do you remember this, No, they aired it. I said,
Speaker 1: get some kind of a.
Speaker 2: Knife, even if it's a butter knife, because it'll be hysterical,
Speaker 2: I said. And and like Tammy, or you can hold
Speaker 2: me and the other person can put a knife to
Speaker 2: my throat.
Speaker 4: I don't remember this.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and we did it. And it aired.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, this must have been one of the
Speaker 4: drunk years.
Speaker 2: Don't.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: I went back and then we come out and Joey's like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, Chris and Sonny.
Speaker 1: You have fancied it. And it's like, I'm gonna good job.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna have to watch this clip.
Speaker 1: I don't remember a minute.
Speaker 2: When she says this month must have been one of
Speaker 2: the drunk years. Like I can honestly say I've never
Speaker 2: worked with her while she was in nibriyant It in
Speaker 2: the ECW.
Speaker 1: Never.
Speaker 2: The only time I saw her like they said she
Speaker 2: was drinking was for wew Okay. And that was the
Speaker 2: night and it was reported all over the internet. That's
Speaker 2: the night that she was supposed to drive myself and Cindy.
Speaker 2: Cindy snow she was supposed to Bobcat. She was supposed
Speaker 2: to drive us back to our hotel. And you know,
Speaker 2: it was were we at the Electric Factory. It's not
Speaker 2: the best neighborhood, and so we're in this parking lot
Speaker 2: in our gimmick clothes and Tammy's never showing up right,
Speaker 2: and we're just standing there and it was like for
Speaker 2: forty minutes, we're like where the hell is this girl?
Speaker 1: And that's the night.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if you ever heard the story
Speaker 2: that she they found her wandering in the graveyard.
Speaker 3: Yes, I ever heard that she was drunk.
Speaker 1: And wandering around.
Speaker 2: And thank god, I think it was either Stephen DeAngelis
Speaker 2: or maybe it was Ronnie Lang.
Speaker 1: They were like, girls, what are you doing? You're in
Speaker 1: your gimmick clothes. We were like, we were.
Speaker 2: Supposed to get picked up by Tammy, but now we
Speaker 2: don't know where she is and nobody knew, Like we
Speaker 2: didn't find out what happened to her until the day after.
Speaker 1: So like that whole night, I'm pissed off. I'm like, I.
Speaker 2: Can't believe she left me here in this parking lot,
Speaker 2: in my gimmick outfit, in this bad neighborhood, like.
Speaker 1: You know, very.
Speaker 2: Scared, very alone. It was dark, it was like eleven
Speaker 2: thirty at night, and yeah, that's what happened to her.
Speaker 2: And then we got not a fight but a disagreement
Speaker 2: because she swears that I told her she was getting
Speaker 2: paid five hundred dollars right I had booked her. I
Speaker 2: mean it was like maybe two three days before the show,
Speaker 2: and it was Dan Kahle and dance like the only
Speaker 2: thing left in the budget is one hundred and fifty bucks.
Speaker 2: And I told her. I was like, they have one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty dollars and she's like, well, that's better
Speaker 2: than nothing. And I said, okay, come on down, you know.
Speaker 2: And then she's like, where's my five hundred dollars. I
Speaker 2: was like, what five hundred dollars? I never said five
Speaker 2: hundred dollars, so, you know, little little disagreement. But I
Speaker 2: think the girls were like, she's drinking vodka and I
Speaker 2: was like, I don't know. So if you watch the
Speaker 2: tape of that night, I think like people were saying
Speaker 2: she was slewing her words and stuff like that. But
Speaker 2: that's when she disappeared and they found her in the graveyard.
Speaker 3: A place to be found. Now, maybe she just hit
Speaker 3: it very well. Maybe she was drinking and just hit it.
Speaker 2: Never yeah, I never knew if she was, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I know they were taking pills because back then,
Speaker 2: the somas were the thing, and the Soma shakes, and
Speaker 2: I never took suma's, Like, don't time I ever took
Speaker 2: some is I think in my life. It was that
Speaker 2: story that I told when we were at the tens
Speaker 2: and she put like four or five of them in
Speaker 2: my hand and dummy me. I was drunk and I
Speaker 2: was like, oh yeah, and I took them. But that's
Speaker 2: the only time I've ever taken them. And thank god,
Speaker 2: you know, I woke up the next morning like a
Speaker 2: good lord, you know who takes those things like that?
Speaker 2: But that's what they were taking. So I didn't really
Speaker 2: know about the drinking at this point, but apparently, like
Speaker 2: later on in life, she told me, like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: took pills, she said, but I loved I'm an alcoholic.
Speaker 1: I love my drinks.
Speaker 3: Terrible. And we will pick this one up after these messages.
Speaker 3: All right, get ready to pick it back up here.
Speaker 3: We are going to wrap up the fun year or
Speaker 3: the fun times of ECW before we move into the
Speaker 3: next part. So I'm gonna let it play here for
Speaker 3: another minute and let me know if you need me
Speaker 3: to sid.
Speaker 1: In.
Speaker 2: Like, it was never work, like I always tell people,
Speaker 2: I never felt like I was at work or at
Speaker 2: a job right because it was always fun. It was
Speaker 2: never a chore. Even if I had an early flight,
Speaker 2: I didn't care. I the cantym was on when.
Speaker 1: I got home.
Speaker 2: I couldn't wait to go back, yeah, and see everybody
Speaker 2: and hang out and work because it was just a
Speaker 2: good time, man.
Speaker 1: And that's the one thing.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you worked all over the place,
Speaker 2: and I've never had that feeling anywhere else. It's never
Speaker 2: been the same, and I've never even come close to it.
Speaker 4: And it was a lot of fun being on the
Speaker 4: road at that time with that crew because everybody it
Speaker 4: was kind of like a big happy family and everybody
Speaker 4: kind of looked out for each other rights and stuff
Speaker 4: like that. Yeah, sure, you know, but we always we
Speaker 4: always managed.
Speaker 1: To have some kind of fun. It was never felt
Speaker 1: like work, No, not at all. I mean when the
Speaker 1: checks were bounced and that.
Speaker 2: Sucked, that sucked, yeah, yes, but we were still enjoying
Speaker 2: ourselves as much as.
Speaker 4: We could so making the best of it.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: But but I've said it, you know, I've said for
Speaker 2: the last twenty five years or whatever, I've always enjoyed
Speaker 2: you always.
Speaker 4: I can't.
Speaker 2: There's not a bad thing entering out of the ring
Speaker 2: that I can say, you know what I mean, Personally,
Speaker 2: our connection it's always been strong. I'm thrilled that things
Speaker 2: seem to be going right for you because they were
Speaker 2: now Yeah, and I always you know, I say, people
Speaker 2: want to see you fail?
Speaker 1: Of course they and it bothers me. And it's like,
Speaker 1: why would you wish something like that on someone?
Speaker 4: Because people are assholes. There's so many people in the world,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. They don't like to see
Speaker 4: someone succeed. They like misery loves company, and people love
Speaker 4: to see people fail.
Speaker 2: Well I don't. I like to see my friends thrive.
Speaker 2: And I want you to thrive. I want you to blossom.
Speaker 2: And and you know you you've been caged up for
Speaker 2: so long, the last I don't even know how many.
Speaker 4: Five years of probation in and out for stupid ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, but that's all done.
Speaker 4: It's all done as they have no control over me,
Speaker 4: and that can't get in trouble for you know, anything anymore.
Speaker 4: So it's good. And I'm not trying any So it's
Speaker 4: not I don't drink anymore. I don't drink any more,
Speaker 4: drinking driving anymore. So you're focusing on you, Yes, I'm
Speaker 4: looking at look at me.
Speaker 2: You're focusing on you, okay, because we've talked about this earlier.
Speaker 1: I saw a tweat from you that that I'm very.
Speaker 3: Haunting words by one Queen of extreme This irritates me.
Speaker 2: I just got chills listening to this. This This is
Speaker 2: really really irritating because you can see I'm trying to
Speaker 2: get a point across, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like you can see.
Speaker 2: I'm not just being like, Okay, Tammy, blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: I'm stopping her and saying, Okay, this is what you
Speaker 2: need to do, you know. And what I'm referring to is,
Speaker 2: you know, make good choices, pick good men, no more drinking,
Speaker 2: stick to it, you know what I mean, Like even
Speaker 2: if you had to join a program. I know she
Speaker 2: went to like the rehabs and the sober house and
Speaker 2: all that, but apparently that didn't work for her, you know.
Speaker 2: And I said it before, it's who you run with.
Speaker 2: It's the gang that you're with. And she just had
Speaker 2: a tendency to just pick the worst friggin men. It's
Speaker 2: just I don't know, man. And and then people got
Speaker 2: mad at me for saying that, Well, you can't blame
Speaker 2: the people that she was with. You have to blame her.
Speaker 2: I do blame her in a sense, but it's it's
Speaker 2: who you run with too. You have to have a
Speaker 2: support system, a good support system. And you know, I
Speaker 2: wasn't with her twenty four to seven, and from her
Speaker 2: talking to me there, I honestly thought, she's not gonna drink.
Speaker 2: This is great. She's gonna never go to jail again.
Speaker 2: I believe that for her. So at this point, do
Speaker 2: I have to check in with her every five minutes
Speaker 2: to make sure she's okay? I didn't think so. And
Speaker 2: I think anybody watching this can tell she looks healthy.
Speaker 2: I mean, don't you think so?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I thought she you know, she looked great and very healthy,
Speaker 2: and she seemed I mean, I didn't like the way
Speaker 2: she kept downgrading, like I got arrested for stupid shit. No,
Speaker 2: it's not stupid. Everything that you did justifyed you being arrested.
Speaker 2: Like let's you know, let's call Spada spade there. Okay,
Speaker 2: I don't agree with what she said there. I did
Speaker 2: honestly think that this was it for her and things
Speaker 2: were going to go really well. And you know, she
Speaker 2: was just telling me, and you'll hear it. She was
Speaker 2: telling me all this good stuff that was happening and
Speaker 2: how much money that she accumulated, and she sent me
Speaker 2: pictures of her apartment and it was just gorgeous and
Speaker 2: overlooked New York City, and I mean, everything was going great.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it just.
Speaker 2: Turned so hearing this really gets under my skin and
Speaker 2: it makes me so upset because I would have bet
Speaker 2: money that she was going to be okay. And do
Speaker 2: you know how many people said, oh, just wait for it,
Speaker 2: she's going to screw up, just wait for it. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: my friends, friends that mutual friends, Oh, she's gonna screw up.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, don't say that, Like say a prayer
Speaker 2: for you know, hope for the best. Oh, hope for
Speaker 2: the best, expect the worst. And I'm just like, good lord,
Speaker 2: everybody was saying she was going to fail. I didn't
Speaker 2: talk to anyone who thought positive about her at this point,
Speaker 2: and I'm not you know again, I'm not trying to
Speaker 2: be a martyr. I'm not trying to say I'm the
Speaker 2: only one who believed in her. But it kind of
Speaker 2: seemed like it at the time, you know. And I
Speaker 2: remember when really quickly. I remember when we were in
Speaker 2: our hotel room at Russell Caid and we were just
Speaker 2: getting ready, you know, putting our makeup on or whatever,
Speaker 2: and we were talking about having best friends, and she
Speaker 2: was like, well, who's your best friend? And I said, oh, Betty.
Speaker 2: And I was telling her, you know, because Betty and
Speaker 2: I have been friends now, I don't know, eight years,
Speaker 2: nine years, something like that. And I was just telling
Speaker 2: her how great Betty is and how she's my sister
Speaker 2: and how close we are and blah blah blah. And
Speaker 2: she looked at me and she's like, I need a
Speaker 2: Betty in my life and I don't have anybody in
Speaker 2: my life like that. I was just like, well, I said,
Speaker 2: you got me, and she's like, yeah, but I don't
Speaker 2: get to see you and you have the kids and
Speaker 2: your husband and it's different and you know, and I
Speaker 2: got where she was coming from. But when she said that,
Speaker 2: that made me sad because it's like she's admitting to
Speaker 2: me she doesn't have one person that she can count on,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Yeah, And that's that's sad.
Speaker 2: That's that's a sad revelation. So you know, I I
Speaker 2: do have obligations. I am a mother, I am a wife,
Speaker 2: I have my kids. I can't just drop things and
Speaker 2: run to her every minute of the day. I can't
Speaker 2: go places like she wanted me to travel with her
Speaker 2: all the time, like, let's go let's go.
Speaker 1: To Hawaii, Let's go here, let's get it.
Speaker 2: I can't if I was single.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, you.
Speaker 2: Want to pay for my trip to Hawaii, I'll go
Speaker 2: to Hawaii. But I can't just leave at the drop
Speaker 2: of a hat. When you're a parent, your first responsibilities
Speaker 2: to your children, and plus my mom was.
Speaker 3: Alive, Right, that's the big one, because you were much
Speaker 3: more limited.
Speaker 2: I couldn't do anything back then. And even still nail
Speaker 2: like I want to just pick up and leave my
Speaker 2: kids for a week.
Speaker 1: I don't do that.
Speaker 2: If we do anything, we take the kids with us,
Speaker 2: you know. So it broke my heart to hear her
Speaker 2: say that she didn't have a best friend like that,
Speaker 2: and that made me sad. But again, you you know,
Speaker 2: when you repeat something over and over and it's just
Speaker 2: a negative thing and you don't learn from it, who
Speaker 2: do you blame. You have to blame the person. You
Speaker 2: have to take some responsibility for that.
Speaker 3: Right, And we're going to dig into here a little
Speaker 3: bit of her OnlyFans success that she was really I mean,
Speaker 3: I mean not on the ground floor of but she
Speaker 3: was one of the biggest names I think to show
Speaker 3: see success in the way she did, because it was
Speaker 3: like every day somebody was talking about, hey did you
Speaker 3: see this post that Tammy put up about her only fans?
Speaker 3: Or hey did you see she's given out this preview
Speaker 3: of her only fans. And for the years and years
Speaker 3: of speculation of was she going to do some sort
Speaker 3: of adult content to then being like all in on it,
Speaker 3: we kind of dive into it in this next little
Speaker 3: piece here, which to me is if she decided to
Speaker 3: stay on that straight and narrow path. I mean I
Speaker 3: showed her to think how much money she really could
Speaker 3: have made sticking with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I feel because she was like one of
Speaker 2: the first mainstream wrestling girls who went this rail, Like
Speaker 2: a lot of the girls had sights, but she was
Speaker 2: really gun ho about it and she was doing more
Speaker 2: than others, let's just put it that way, yes, And
Speaker 2: I mean at one point, I think she had like
Speaker 2: one hundred grand in revenue in a short amount of time,
Speaker 2: a very short amount of time. So you know, it's
Speaker 2: it's like and I kept telling her, like, you have
Speaker 2: all this money, don't drive do ubers. You can afford ubers,
Speaker 2: Like if you relapse and you're drinking and you know
Speaker 2: you have to do something. Call an uber. You can
Speaker 2: afford the fifty bucks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, I'm gonna pick it up from here.
Speaker 2: Strigued about I think you know what it is. But
Speaker 2: if you don't, it's about your only fans, because you're
Speaker 2: back on only fans.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: I did only it's amazing, it's only I did it.
Speaker 2: And it was a disaster, I can just tell you,
Speaker 2: because I don't show the goods and people got mad
Speaker 2: at me. And you know, it was five months of
Speaker 2: a lot of bagging and a lot of and it
Speaker 2: just didn't It wasn't me right.
Speaker 1: But you're you're you're doing wonderful.
Speaker 2: But I saw a recent tweet looking for co stars
Speaker 2: male or female?
Speaker 1: What the fuck is going on? What are you?
Speaker 3: And is this I'm gonna have to this.
Speaker 2: Is this a gimmick? What? What is?
Speaker 1: What are you offering to these people?
Speaker 2: Because you're basically talking to the fans right now right?
Speaker 2: What what is the What is the If I respond
Speaker 2: and I say, Hey, Tammy, I'm a forty nine year
Speaker 2: old female.
Speaker 1: I get well, I'm just saying what what are you
Speaker 1: writing me back? What are you offering me?
Speaker 4: I am offering my members? Well A one member.
Speaker 1: You have to be a member.
Speaker 4: You have to be a member. And I'm not going
Speaker 4: to just pick somebody off the street. I mean, when
Speaker 4: these people are subscribing, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 4: I'm gonna let one of them have the chance. Yes, okay,
Speaker 4: so one person to be in a photo shoot. Okay,
Speaker 4: not necessarily saying that all kinds of crazy shit's gonna happen.
Speaker 4: Sure be at the goddamn zoo looking at the lions,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, who knows, you know? But
Speaker 4: I think that I think the Internet has taken it
Speaker 4: and run with it with their own story. It's not
Speaker 4: like I'm looking for a like sexual co star kind
Speaker 4: of thing giving someone an opportunity to be in some pictures.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, look I I well, first of all,
Speaker 2: this is a great platform to promote it, to get
Speaker 2: some more members.
Speaker 4: But I've already been sent some links to some Internet
Speaker 4: sites that were like taking it and running with it. Well,
Speaker 4: they always do like I'm casting for a porn own.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you could work, and they would.
Speaker 2: They would put the story as you know, she's got,
Speaker 2: she's got, you know.
Speaker 1: Diase, there's someone ever, Oh my god, I think.
Speaker 2: At this stage, she was only doing maybe nude photos.
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I think she was still doing everything.
Speaker 2: She wasn't doing the pornography with the boyfriend, because this
Speaker 2: is what led to I think him coming on with her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, possibly, possibly.
Speaker 2: So maybe she was doing solo stuff.
Speaker 3: I don't believe that was going on the whole time.
Speaker 2: Okay, I see, I don't know. I didn't see her page.
Speaker 2: What I did see was the rate the dick pic thing,
Speaker 2: rape my penis or whatever they called it. She did
Speaker 2: those in the hotel and people would literally either send
Speaker 2: in a photo or a video of their member and
Speaker 2: she would be like, Hey, this is w w E
Speaker 2: Diva or what she Hall of Famer sonny, and uh,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm here to rate your dick blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: And then she'd be like, for a girth, it's a.
Speaker 2: Four point five, it's too and then she'd give an
Speaker 2: analysis at the end. You have to work on this
Speaker 2: and maybe fluff it before you send me the next picture. Okay,
Speaker 2: I see later and blow kiss. And I think they
Speaker 2: were paying like maybe twenty five dollars a pop, and
Speaker 2: she was getting all these guys sending.
Speaker 1: Her these pictures.
Speaker 2: Now, if you're a small guy. I mean, well some
Speaker 2: guys are into that, though, guys the rate them, I mean,
Speaker 2: I you know. But yes, she was making like we
Speaker 2: were watching I think we were watching a movie and
Speaker 2: I'd heard ding and she'd go, oh, got to do
Speaker 2: this video. Hold on, it takes two seconds.
Speaker 1: And she'd literally be like hey, blah blah blah, and
Speaker 1: I'm like how much.
Speaker 2: Oh, I just made twenty five dollars and I'm like, ah, okay,
Speaker 2: and it kept going off. So she was making money
Speaker 2: hand over foot with this gig. And again, I don't
Speaker 2: throw stones. If you're comfortable with doing this, then more
Speaker 2: power to you. I was not. I was a nervous
Speaker 2: wreck on there. I got a DM and I would
Speaker 2: freak out. I'm like, oh my god, I'm afraid to
Speaker 2: open it, like what is in there? It just wasn't
Speaker 2: my cup of tea. So I'm not looking down on
Speaker 2: people for doing this. It's just not something I wanted
Speaker 2: to do. But for her, she was flourishing with this stuff,
Speaker 2: and she would she would text me like pictures of
Speaker 2: her bank account and like all the money she was making.
Speaker 2: And in ten days I made X amount of dollars
Speaker 2: and I'm like, ten days, what crazy? It was crazy money,
Speaker 2: crazy money.
Speaker 3: Now I remember, I remember the promotion. It was pretty
Speaker 3: pretty out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And some people would say, well, is it worth
Speaker 2: your integrity?
Speaker 1: Is it worth your dignity?
Speaker 2: I mean to some people, I guess it is. To
Speaker 2: me it was, And again, different story. I'm a parent,
Speaker 2: I'm a mother, I got children. I don't want to
Speaker 2: do that type of content, so it's it's different. But
Speaker 2: for I guess for a single female who didn't have
Speaker 2: anybody and you know, was okay and comfortable with showing
Speaker 2: their body, she was, oh my gosh, she was making.
Speaker 1: So much money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so money wasn't the problem here for her.
Speaker 1: Everything else was. It was never money. She always had.
Speaker 2: She was always comfortable at this point until the ship
Speaker 2: hit the fan.
Speaker 3: All right, Well we'll get into the wrap up portion
Speaker 3: here in the final comments. All right, so here we go,
Speaker 3: pick it back up.
Speaker 2: We got to sit down. It's been a while since
Speaker 2: we at that money really talked.
Speaker 4: And you got the first podcast they usually got. You
Speaker 4: got the first one.
Speaker 2: I broke the news about how jail's not really that
Speaker 2: bad still.
Speaker 4: Like you know, it sucks, but when you're there, you
Speaker 4: just have to find ways to make the best of it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: well you I'm on the phone all you know when
Speaker 4: if I'm not at work, I'm on the phone all day.
Speaker 4: Or I'll play cards, or I'll watch TV. And oh god,
Speaker 4: I read thirty two Michael Connolly books while I was there.
Speaker 4: Who's my your favorite author? But you know, you just
Speaker 4: like it's it does suck, but you just have to
Speaker 4: make the best of it.
Speaker 1: Can you go on the internet when you're there?
Speaker 4: No, we didn't have internet. Some some places do, but
Speaker 4: we didn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you don't have a phone, right they take
Speaker 2: your phone?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you can't have a cell phone. There's actually
Speaker 4: but the only thing you can use this old fashioned
Speaker 4: payphones and they're only like polls and like order that. Like, no,
Speaker 4: you don't put quarters in everything's like like a you
Speaker 4: can need to call collect or put money on a
Speaker 4: debit account and its so Yeah, it's just a lot
Speaker 4: of phone calls and a lot of reading and television
Speaker 4: and if you if you're lucky enough to get a job,
Speaker 4: that keeps you busy. But yeah, jail sucks. You Just
Speaker 4: like like I said, you just have to learn how
Speaker 4: to make the best of it, right, and then there's
Speaker 4: commissary food you can order and buy, so you can
Speaker 4: get like food and you can cook and make different things.
Speaker 4: And yeah, so I did that a lot. I spend
Speaker 4: a lot of money on commissary food because the food
Speaker 4: feed you is disgusting.
Speaker 2: Well you have that only fans money to spend, so
Speaker 2: you buy lobs r g ol.
Speaker 1: It's all good.
Speaker 4: There's a limit one hundred and fifty dollars a week,
Speaker 4: so you have to really be careful.
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, but I was.
Speaker 4: I was ordering like tuna packs, chicken packs, making you know,
Speaker 4: as much as I could doing, you know, doing what
Speaker 4: you can. We have a microwave so you can cook.
Speaker 4: So you just got to make the best of it
Speaker 4: and hope your time goes by fast. But luckily, no more,
Speaker 4: no more.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I'm going to keep you in check.
Speaker 1: I know you will.
Speaker 2: I mean, strip can come out, obviously, but I honestly
Speaker 2: I'm thrilled that you're home and happy, and I just
Speaker 2: hope for nothing but the best. I hope bigger and
Speaker 2: better things come. And screw everybody who is a hater
Speaker 2: because oh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, hey, you know what I always said, I love
Speaker 4: my haters because they're the best form of free publicity.
Speaker 4: The more they hate and the more they talk, the
Speaker 4: more it keeps your relevant. And they don't even realize it.
Speaker 1: They want to.
Speaker 4: They can hate as much as possible because if it
Speaker 4: keeps them talking, it just keeps your name out there.
Speaker 4: I got it, And they don't even realize that. The
Speaker 4: more they if they want to talk shit about OnlyFans
Speaker 4: or whatever, all it's gonna do is spark interest in
Speaker 4: somebody that hears it and say, ooh, what's this about,
Speaker 4: and they're gonna go on and subscribe. So hate all
Speaker 4: you want, right, I'm going to have you back on
Speaker 4: because you and I have a project.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say what it is.
Speaker 2: But besides the signing, we have a project coming up
Speaker 2: that I haven't announced it yet because I didn't even
Speaker 2: read my contract.
Speaker 4: I don't even get either.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna read it tonight. Yeah, let's read it tonight
Speaker 1: and compare notes on it.
Speaker 2: But I think it's gonna be a lot of fun,
Speaker 2: and we're going to spend a significant amount of time
Speaker 2: together on that as well.
Speaker 1: So that's that's a good time that I'm looking forward to.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's gonna be fun.
Speaker 2: Thank you for choosing us to uh to break the
Speaker 2: news that.
Speaker 4: Your ross is going to be so pissed because he
Speaker 4: always gets the first one.
Speaker 3: Jim, Yeah, you can take the first one.
Speaker 4: So he's kind of he's probably I'm probably gonna get
Speaker 4: a text from him being like, well.
Speaker 2: Tell him I love him because he's a good man.
Speaker 2: But I love you. I love and yes, I know
Speaker 2: you do. And just stay on the the right path
Speaker 2: and and do good and be good and you will
Speaker 2: get good as.
Speaker 4: Long as you don't get behind the wheel of a car.
Speaker 1: I'm going to gouber your friend. It's in your phone.
Speaker 1: Just push the button. You'll be You'll be fine.
Speaker 2: Oh that every time I hear that last line from her,
Speaker 2: I get the goosebumps wow, because that's exactly what happened, foreshadowing.
Speaker 3: As Yeah, that's quite the uh oh my god, quite
Speaker 3: the look into the future with that comment. Now, obviously
Speaker 3: I don't believe the project you guys were working on
Speaker 3: came to fruition. But did that have to do with
Speaker 3: what happened with her or did it just fall through?
Speaker 2: No, it was a movie. Okay, we were booked for
Speaker 2: a movie, the a Z movie. But a movie nonetheless,
Speaker 2: I decided to back out of I didn't like the
Speaker 2: contract that I was given and I didn't want to
Speaker 2: do it. We had another project we were supposed to do.
Speaker 2: We were doing a virtual together. We were supposed to
Speaker 2: do like a virtual from her apartment and sell like
Speaker 2: a bunch of merchandise together. That never happened. A bunch
Speaker 2: of things we had bookings after this, and none of
Speaker 2: it happened because unfortunately, shortly after this was filmed, the
Speaker 2: Florida incident happened. So but honestly, like if you watch this,
Speaker 2: I believe that you can see that I was being
Speaker 2: one hundred percent genuine in everything that I said to her.
Speaker 2: It wasn't me blowing smoke up her ass, It wasn't
Speaker 2: me trying to appease her. I feel like I was
Speaker 2: just trying to be a friend who loves her and
Speaker 2: is just trying to be a positive staple in her
Speaker 2: life at that point, because I honestly don't feel like
Speaker 2: she had a lot of positive.
Speaker 1: People to fall back on, right Yeah, And that's.
Speaker 2: Where I get so frustrated with all of this, and
Speaker 2: that's why I get upset, and you know, for her
Speaker 2: to be upset with me now because of the way
Speaker 2: I feel. If I ever saw her again, I'd say
Speaker 2: it again, it's because I love her. If I didn't
Speaker 2: give two crap or shits about her, I wouldn't feel
Speaker 2: the way I felt or the way I feel about her.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't care, you know what I mean. But I
Speaker 2: think because I care so much. This is why I'm
Speaker 2: so frustrated. And if she can't see how much did
Speaker 2: I care about her and how much I love her, then,
Speaker 2: my god, I don't even know what.
Speaker 1: Else to say.
Speaker 2: It's tough love.
Speaker 1: And it's again, I'm not appeasing. You know.
Speaker 2: I can't enable somebody. I can't do it, and it
Speaker 2: makes me sick that this was the outcome. It literally
Speaker 2: makes me sick to my stomach.
Speaker 3: So well, since I'm sorry, you're also since we recorded
Speaker 3: the part one, a couple of things came out earlier
Speaker 3: in the week. I believe it was the twenty one
Speaker 3: of December. Her public defender filed for a reduction of sentence.
Speaker 3: They appealed an appeal, yes, excuse me, an appeal for
Speaker 3: the reduction of sentence. Her mugshot or official prison photo
Speaker 3: was released.
Speaker 1: Oh I didn't see that.
Speaker 3: Oh you didn't see that. That was also that same day. Obviously,
Speaker 3: this is I'll show to you here, but you know
Speaker 3: you'll be able to see it if you google it.
Speaker 3: That's the official prison photo. But then another interesting thing
Speaker 3: yesterday it was as we're recording this, it was released
Speaker 3: that the official day of her release from prison is
Speaker 3: January seventh, twenty forty.
Speaker 1: Wow, if she serves, if.
Speaker 3: She serves the full max what she was sentenced to
Speaker 3: in November twenty forty. January seventh, twenty forty wow.
Speaker 2: Feteen years though, that's that's more time, Okay, so it
Speaker 2: says here, wait, twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: It's a little over sixteen years, isn't it.
Speaker 3: The sentence was for seventeen point six years after being
Speaker 3: found guilty in the death of seventy five year old
Speaker 3: Julian Lesson while driving under the influence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she got credit for the time that she
Speaker 2: already spent in jail, so it came down to fifteen something.
Speaker 3: I'm just reading what I have started.
Speaker 2: Exact, but what I mean, it's it's a long time.
Speaker 3: Well, that's the that was released that that was the
Speaker 3: official date.
Speaker 2: So well, and then we don't know about the other
Speaker 2: new Jersey stuff or is it pa I don't even know.
Speaker 3: It was both, but we don't know about any of
Speaker 3: that and how that could still come up. What we've
Speaker 3: learned through our legal process while posting a lot of
Speaker 3: these videos, she can still be brought up on those
Speaker 3: charges while incarcerated, and.
Speaker 2: That that could add to it at the end. Yeah,
Speaker 2: good lord.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: Well, kids, do good. Just don't go to jail.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, we said in part one, you know
Speaker 3: you don't want to be able to learn so much
Speaker 3: about it, so stay out of there.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. I mean, this is half the stuff she said.
Speaker 2: It sounds like a party is going on. But I'm
Speaker 2: telling you right now, I just don't think she was
Speaker 2: being one hundred percent honest. And it's a place that
Speaker 2: I never want myself for anybody that I love to experience.
Speaker 2: So it's heartbreaking all around.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And that's that. All right. Well, we'll get out
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