1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club. 3 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 3: Yes, since the world most dangerous morning show to Breakfast Club, 4 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 3: Charlamage the God just's hilarious. Enva's not here, but Lauren 5 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 3: LaRosa is filling in, and we have the legend the 6 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 3: icon living Carrie Washington here. 7 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 2: How are you carrying? 8 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 4: Good? 9 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: I'm happy to be here, always good when I'm with 10 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: you all. 11 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:20,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, what's your energy like this morning? 12 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: I feel good, I feel centered, I feel grateful. Yeah, 13 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: I'm curious. 14 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 2: Did you have an intention this morning when you will go? 15 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 4: I didn't state an intention when I woke up this morning, 16 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 4: but I woke up with a lot of gratitude. 17 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: Amazing, Yeah, amazing. 18 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 5: What's the gratitude for? 19 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: You know? 20 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 4: I feel like this is gonna sound so cliche, but 21 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 4: I'm very aware lately. Maybe I'm trying to cultivate more 22 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 4: awareness lately that as much as things are challenging in 23 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 4: the world, like I feel like the circumstances in the 24 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 4: world are tough at the moment for a lot of people, 25 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 4: but also two things can be true. There's so much 26 00:00:55,880 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 4: of my life that is truly answered prayers. I know 27 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 4: when I wake up that the career I have my marriage, 28 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 4: my children, my health, that like I am living, I'm 29 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 4: walking in prayers answered. 30 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 3: This is a time for I mean, it always never 31 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 3: a time, but I want people to return back to 32 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 3: God in this moment. I really because if you are 33 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 3: a person of faith and you got to believe, everything 34 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 3: truly does happen for a greater good, right, or at 35 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 3: least for some reason that we may not understand. 36 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: I do believe that I do. 37 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 4: I think that I try to remember though, also that 38 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 4: that faith is not just about being like handing your 39 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 4: power over that. For me, faith is about listening for 40 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 4: God's will, which is also pointing me in the right 41 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,559 Speaker 4: direction toward action. Right Like faith is not just about 42 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 4: like sitting back and saying like other people will do 43 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 4: or somebody else will provide. 44 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: It's also about like, how can you use me today? 45 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:50,559 Speaker 4: Lord? 46 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 6: Right? 47 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 4: How can I be of service today? How can I 48 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 4: show up? Because faith isn't just about being inactive, It's 49 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 4: about like really stepping into your purpose, your responsibility. 50 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 2: Action? Is that your word for this season? Since you're 51 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 2: in shadow for. 52 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: I do you know? It's funny. 53 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 4: I feel like the last time I was here may 54 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 4: have been to talk about my memoir Thicker than Water, 55 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 4: And it was when I was writing Thicker than Water, 56 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 4: I was. 57 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: Making this movie. 58 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,959 Speaker 4: And so there was like an awareness of a strength 59 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 4: that was growing in my life, like an emotional strength, 60 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 4: a spiritual strength with my family. And I feel like 61 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 4: the film allowed me to put that in my body, 62 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,839 Speaker 4: like in my cells, to be like, what does fierceness 63 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 4: really look like feel like on me? 64 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 5: Not that I know that. 65 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 6: Thinking about back to that conversation, I can I've seen 66 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 6: a movie, so I can kind of see what you're 67 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 6: talking about. Yeah, but did you ever think that you 68 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 6: would be taking on because this is your first action film, 69 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 6: you'd be taking on action in your career in a 70 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 6: role like this. 71 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 4: So I mean, I'm just gonna be honest with you. 72 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 4: I did an action film twenty years ago. I was 73 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 4: Angelina Julie's best friend and mister Missus Smith and I 74 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 4: got to like climb that mountain with Angelina and shoot 75 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 4: some guy and I was like, I love this. 76 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: I loved it, so. 77 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 4: Yeah until I then, I like my career kind of 78 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 4: took a different turn, and I was doing drama and 79 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 4: TV and movies and comedy. But I'd never had a 80 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 4: chance to do action again, and I really wanted to, 81 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 4: so my production company, Simpsons Street. When Scandal ended, I 82 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 4: was like, we need to find a great action film. 83 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 4: And when I read this one, I was like, this 84 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 4: is it because I feel like my favorite action films 85 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 4: are the ones where you know why the explosions are 86 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 4: happening right where you care about the characters, where there 87 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 4: are real emotional stakes, and so I felt like to 88 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 4: have a big This film is like a crazy, big ass, 89 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 4: splashy action adventure, but at its heart, it's about love. 90 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 4: It's about family, It's about the sacrifices you make for 91 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 4: the people that you love the most. It's about what 92 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 4: it means to be a parent, and like I think 93 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 4: most parents know what it feels like to be like 94 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 4: I would go to the ends of the earth to 95 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 4: protect this child. But if you are a trained mercenary. 96 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 5: Like my character and kill people for a. 97 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 4: Living, what does that look like to really do whatever 98 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 4: it takes to protect your little black boy Joy? 99 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 6: What was the training like at this point in your 100 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 6: career for this action film versus that first action film. 101 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 4: I don't even remember the training for that one, And 102 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 4: you know, maybe because I'm older or just it was 103 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 4: so new. 104 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: For me, but this was intense. It was great. 105 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 4: I mean there was a lot of just weightlifting and 106 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 4: pilates even just to get in shape to be able to. 107 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: Learn the choreography. 108 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 4: And then there was stunt training and weapons training because 109 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 4: we're not just shooting guns where loading guns, were cleaning guns, 110 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 4: where there was the fight choreography. I mean it was 111 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 4: hours and hours of training. 112 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 2: Did you not a bust your gun before? No? 113 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: I didn't. 114 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean I had done a little bit, 115 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 4: but I really and on all different kinds of guns 116 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 4: and I'm a really good shot. 117 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 2: Didn't make you want to own one. 118 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 4: It didn't make me want to own one, but it 119 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 4: made me grateful that I could use it if I 120 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 4: needed to. 121 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah. 122 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 1: Was it ever challenging? 123 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 2: What part of it was ever challenging? 124 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 4: The shooting was not challenging. Weirdly, it was weird like 125 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 4: that it came. I mean, I have a one of 126 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 4: our targets that I'm framing for my office that I 127 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 4: got like a bullet in each eye, like crazy. I 128 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 4: don't know why I'm such a good shot, but I'm 129 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 4: I'm not complaining. I think the physical, like learning the 130 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 4: martial arts especially because a lot of my fights were. 131 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: With people much bigger than me. 132 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 4: So to learn how to fight Omarci, who plays my 133 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 4: husband in the film, who's the actor of many of 134 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 4: You may love him from Lupin or Lupin if you're 135 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 4: saying it the French way, but he's so much taller 136 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 4: than me, and so to figure out, like what is 137 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 4: my fight approach to be able to take him on 138 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 4: was fun. 139 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 2: I'll be honest with you. Sounds very tiring, like what 140 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 2: was the recovery project? Like a lot of pacts. 141 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 5: Are while you're yeah at all, But I loved it. 142 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 4: I mean it's it was useful to have a husband 143 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 4: at the you know, my husband who was a former 144 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 4: professional athlete, to be able to kind of help me 145 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 4: through some of that. 146 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: But I love that. 147 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 4: I love challenging myself physically, and I love working out. 148 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 4: I love getting into the body of the character. So 149 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 4: it was exhausting, but I also felt, I don't know, 150 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 4: I was really proud that when my kids would get 151 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 4: up on a Saturday morning, they would come downstairs and 152 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 4: see mommy like with the boxing gloves on, kicking ass 153 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 4: and the driveway with my trainer, Like there was something 154 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 4: really exciting about that. 155 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 2: Does the role like this help you to express your 156 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 2: shadow side war? 157 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: I think so. 158 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 4: I definitely, like I've I think my go to personality. 159 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 4: I'm much more of a lover than a fighter. I'm 160 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 4: not a person who likes to argue. I'm not really combative. 161 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: I'm not. 162 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 4: I'm not avoidant, but I'm definitely not an aggressive person. 163 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: So this did help me tap. 164 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 4: Into a level of anger and aggression and courage more 165 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 4: than anything. 166 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 2: Ooh, courage. That's why courage. 167 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 4: Because I think when you put yourself in situations where 168 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 4: you can get hurt, it requires you to face those 169 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 4: fears and you know the It's funny. I was talking 170 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 4: to Omar because he's French and our word courage comes 171 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 4: from the French word gul, which means heart. So it's 172 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 4: really about like having a strong heart, a capacity to 173 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 4: challenge your heart. 174 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 3: That's interesting because I was thinking about something earlier, like 175 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 3: what do you think your characters have taught you that 176 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 3: no human being our real life ever good? 177 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 4: M I mean, I'm lucky because every time I play 178 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 4: a character, I get. 179 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: To learn her greatest lessons. 180 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 4: So it's almost like reincarnation in this lifetime, like I 181 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 4: get to learn what she learns and then fold it 182 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,559 Speaker 4: into my life to move forward. A lot of times, 183 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 4: what characters remind me, they remind me to be grateful, 184 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 4: you know, Like for this film in Shadow Force, it's 185 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 4: really about what it takes to protect the people you 186 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 4: love from the systems that want to cause you harm, 187 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 4: which I think is very relevant right now. But this couple, 188 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 4: they used to be part of this spy unit. You know, 189 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 4: they were trained killers together, they broke the rules, they 190 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 4: fell in love, I got pregnant, So now we have 191 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 4: to go on the run to protect our kid from 192 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 4: the very unit that we used to be a part of, 193 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 4: the Shadow Force unit. So for me, the film is about, like, 194 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 4: when there are systems that don't want you to have 195 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 4: freedom and love and joy, what do you do to 196 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 4: fight those systems? And I think that's a great lesson 197 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 4: to be reminded of right now. It's a great question 198 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 4: for all of us to be asking ourselves right now. 199 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 4: You know, Like I too, as a mom, want to 200 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 4: protect my black boy joy. I want my son to 201 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 4: hold on to his joy in the face of a 202 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 4: world that may not be invested in his liberty and strength, 203 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 4: and so that for the film. The film is a 204 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 4: great reminder also, these two mercenaries, you know they have 205 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 4: to separate. I kind of back off from the family 206 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 4: to try to protect them from Afar, and Omar plays 207 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 4: the dad. It's this beautiful. It's such a perfect date 208 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 4: movie because the action is beast but Omar also plays. 209 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 4: He's doing the primary parenting of the dad, and that 210 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 4: image of a black father who's so like locked in 211 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 4: and present is so beautiful in a film. But part 212 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 4: of what they learn is about partnership, Like, if you're 213 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 4: lucky enough to have a partner in parenting, you are 214 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 4: so much stronger when you lean into that partnership and 215 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 4: in that partner could be your spouse, could be your sister, 216 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 4: it could be your mother, it could be your stepdad, 217 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 4: it could be whoever is part of that village. But 218 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 4: leaning into that partnership and parenting. 219 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: Is also a gift. 220 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 4: So I think I walked away from the film feeling 221 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 4: so grateful for my partner, for my kids, for our safety, 222 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 4: for our willingness to fight for our joy no matter 223 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 4: what's happening in the world. 224 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 6: I was going to ask you, because there's a lot 225 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 6: of different scenes, don't want to get a move you away. 226 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 6: I know, I know the first scene that stood out 227 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:27,559 Speaker 6: to me where I was like, I think, this is 228 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 6: what I'm feeling. I'm feeling like she's fighting the fact 229 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 6: that like this is a good man and he loves 230 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 6: your son and you as much as you think he does. 231 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 5: Just let him do it. 232 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: Oh you got it, girl. 233 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 5: When y'all were at the gun range. 234 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 6: And don't give no, and y'all y'all had the back 235 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 6: and forth there and you left and his shot was perfect, 236 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 6: and I was like, man, it talked about a lot 237 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 6: about how men have to sacrifice in family and relationships 238 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 6: versus how women have to do. 239 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: It and how we feel it. 240 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 4: Yes, and now we come together because you really kind 241 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 4: of twisted the gender norms in this film where the 242 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 4: woman is out there working protecting from Afar, trying to 243 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 4: you know, not just bring home the bacon, like bring 244 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 4: home the dead bodies, to protect this family. But he's 245 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 4: even though he's badass and strong, he's also like the 246 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 4: more sensitive parents. He's like really present. I was talking 247 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 4: to my girlfriends, like, to me, there is nothing sexier 248 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 4: than watching a man be a good dad. It is 249 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 4: just like so beautiful, so I just love that we're 250 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 4: kind of playing in those gender norms and asking people 251 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 4: to challenge your idea of even what family looks like today. 252 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 6: Did that cause any conversations for you at home with 253 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 6: your family of like, Okay, here are some things that 254 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 6: you know, I want to I don't know, let you do. 255 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 6: Let you I'm gonna I'm gonna lean and allow you 256 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 6: to do. Because that was like the biggest thing. 257 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, I don't know that the film caused 258 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 4: me to have those conversations in my marriage. But I 259 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,119 Speaker 4: think one of the reasons why the film really resonated 260 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 4: for me is because I do really understand the value 261 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 4: of the partnership that I'm in, and I really do 262 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 4: have you know, I love parenting with my husband, you know, 263 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 4: I love our marriage, and I love how we are 264 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:06,239 Speaker 4: a team with these kids, and both are really important. 265 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 4: Like to cultivate the time to just be a couple 266 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 4: and then to cultivate the time to pour into the 267 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 4: family too. 268 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: All of that is just so important. 269 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 4: So when I read the script, I was like, Oh, 270 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 4: this just feels so good to see black love portrayed 271 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 4: in this way. Black power like they are so badass, 272 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 4: but also to see black love sort of explored in 273 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 4: this way. 274 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 3: You play so many different roles, like when you go home, 275 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 3: how do you remain rooted? 276 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 2: And who Carrie Washington is. 277 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, I have rituals that I do at the end 278 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 4: of the day, like a lot of times, you know, 279 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 4: a lot of times I'll play a character, for example, 280 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 4: who's married to somebody else, right, And so for me, 281 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 4: when I take off my wedding ring and put it 282 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:47,719 Speaker 4: back on at the beginning of the end of the day, 283 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 4: that's a small ritual that grounds me and who I 284 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 4: am because it's such a big part of who I 285 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 4: am and how I walk in the world. And I 286 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 4: just I have like ways that I close out the 287 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 4: day because in the beginning of my career I used 288 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 4: to try. 289 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: To live in these characters all day long. 290 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 4: But when you get married and have kids, You're like, 291 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 4: I don't need to go home and be sharing my 292 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 4: shadow self with people that don't deserve that. 293 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 1: Or need that. So I try to really create containers. 294 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 3: You know. 295 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 4: Some of that has to do with the hair and 296 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 4: the makeup. When I take off the costume, I just 297 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 4: try to leave what needs to be left there. It's 298 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 4: not always perfect there's You know, I'm a person who 299 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 4: thinks a lot about the work even when I'm not 300 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 4: at work, but I do try to make sure that 301 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 4: I'm as present as I can be with my family 302 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 4: because they deserve that. 303 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 3: Have you ever bought a home and called you your 304 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 3: man the wrong name? 305 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: Characters has called you the characters now? 306 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 2: No? 307 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 5: No, okay, no no no. 308 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 3: I feel like I got to say congratulations to you too, 309 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 3: because the six triple Late received the Congressional Medal, Yes, honor. 310 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 2: I feel I feel like. 311 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,839 Speaker 3: The Netflix series Louten Nicole Avon and Tyler Perry, I 312 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 3: feel like that amplified that story. 313 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: That was our goal. 314 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 4: You know, when when Tyler and Nicole came to me 315 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 4: with that project, it was so clear to us that 316 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 4: this story needed to be told because these women needed 317 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,839 Speaker 4: to be celebrated, and that the most important thing was 318 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 4: that we made a movie that really resonated with people, 319 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 4: so that no one would ever forget these women existed 320 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 4: and what they did, the sacrifices they made for this country, 321 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 4: and the courage they had to do what they did. 322 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 1: So the fact that it like broke records. 323 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 4: It was Tyler's biggest film ever on Netflix, that fifty 324 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 4: million people watched it in the first few months, like 325 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 4: it was just an insane success for the platform. And 326 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 4: I'm really proud of that because what that says to 327 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 4: me is that at a time when our history is 328 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 4: so under attack, that that is a story that cannot 329 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,319 Speaker 4: be taken away from us, and that we understand our 330 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 4: role to do good and to make the world a 331 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 4: better place, and that has been a part of the 332 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 4: history of this country forever. 333 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:50,559 Speaker 3: That feels psychologically to see the same administration has taken 334 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,959 Speaker 3: so much from us to also reward the six triple late. 335 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 4: I don't know if it was this administration that made 336 00:13:59,200 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 4: that decision. 337 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: It happened prior to. 338 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 4: Speak, yeah, yeah, yeah, But I would just say, whoever 339 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 4: gives them their flowers, they deserve their flowers. It doesn't 340 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 4: make me say that the other decisions they're making are okay, right, 341 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 4: Like they don't get a pass because they've done this 342 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 4: one thing. These women deserve to be honored and celebrated 343 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 4: despite whoever is in power at any time. 344 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 5: And then the NAACP Image of work moments. 345 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 6: But thank you to Tyler Perry, congratulations actress motion picture 346 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 6: for us. 347 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 4: And then we also won Best Picture, which was so 348 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 4: proud as an executive producer of that film. 349 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, the movie was perfectly cast to Oh my god, 350 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 6: all those girls. 351 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: It was. 352 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 4: As a producer, I was really proud to be introducing 353 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 4: all of that young talent, all those incredible young black 354 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 4: actresses to the world. They were so amazing and in 355 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 4: shadow force too. I mean Julia as a producer when 356 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 4: I when we audition Omar and I auditioned Julia, who 357 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 4: plays our son in the film, I mean, he like. 358 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: Steals the movie. 359 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 4: He's so adorable and lovable and he has to be 360 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 4: right because every explosion, every kick, every punch is for him, 361 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 4: so you have to fall in love with him, and 362 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 4: he's so good. 363 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: And then method Man's in the film Divine Joy. 364 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 4: We were lucky we got her before her fancy Oscar. 365 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 4: But the cast is incredible. 366 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: It's stacked. 367 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 5: Randa, I love. Yeah. 368 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 6: I wanted to ask you when the NAACP image of 369 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 6: word moment happened, where you think Tyler Perry again? And 370 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 6: then he posted online talking about how that brought him 371 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 6: to tears. Y'all talked after. I'm sure was it an 372 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 6: emotional conversation? 373 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 4: It was because again, like we don't you know we 374 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 4: had just made this film to give flowers to eight 375 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 4: hundred and fifty two women in heaven and three who 376 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 4: were still with us, to honor their sacrifice and their service. 377 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 4: And he was like, I'm so grateful that you take 378 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 4: that you took the time to give me my flowers 379 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 4: now right, we can't wait for people to go to 380 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 4: say how great they are. We need to let people 381 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 4: know in the real And I didn't. I just didn't 382 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 4: know that I had thanked him twice. 383 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: I blacked out. I really really. 384 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 4: Really did not think I was gonna win, Like I 385 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 4: told Nandi to stay home, like, you know, gotta come 386 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 4: to this baby, Like I knew. 387 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: I knew that Cynthia Rivo was winning that award year 388 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: she was nowminated for an Oscar. 389 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 4: I'm such a crazy, wicked fan, like I voted for Cynthia, 390 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 4: so it was amazing. I really was shocked, like like 391 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 4: Beyonce Album of the Year shocks, Like just couldn't believe 392 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 4: that that had happened. And then when I got up 393 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 4: on stage, I blacked out, so I didn't remember having 394 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 4: said him, and the idea when I was walking off 395 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 4: stage that I may not. 396 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: Have said his name was so devastating to me. I 397 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: just blew up the whole show. 398 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 2: I love that though. 399 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 3: I love that level of gratitude, you know what I mean, 400 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 3: because I feel like a lot of people who don't 401 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 3: do that. 402 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 2: Why was that so important for you to do in 403 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 2: that moment? Like I have to make sure, I think. 404 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 4: I think because Tyler's been such a support for me 405 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 4: throughout my career. Like at a time earlier in my 406 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 4: career where I was like I'm done acting, I don't 407 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 4: think I want to do this anymore, he called me 408 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 4: to be in for Colored Girls beautiful film, and I 409 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 4: got to work with so many of my heroes, Whoopy 410 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 4: Goldberg and Felicia Rashad and Loretta and Devine and Janet 411 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 4: Jackson and Anica Noni Rose, a young Tessa Thompson. Like 412 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 4: he's been there for me even when I've struggled, like 413 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 4: in my career with paparazzi and fame. He's provided safe 414 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 4: spaces for me. He's a confidant, he's an advisor, he's 415 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 4: a real friend. 416 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: And to come to me with this role, I just. 417 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 4: Thought this was an extraordinary gift to be able to 418 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 4: play Captain Charity Adams, a woman who was so inspiring 419 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 4: and so heroic. It really felt like the gift of 420 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:25,479 Speaker 4: a lifetime to be asked to step into this process 421 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 4: with him and co produce with him. So I want, 422 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 4: I just it was I couldn't imagine not thinking. 423 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 3: Him, Well, what are the biggest lessons you've learned as 424 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 3: a producer as opposed to things you learned as an action? 425 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 4: I guess the thing I love most about producing is 426 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 4: when you're an actor, you really are sitting around waiting 427 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 4: for somebody else to give you an opportunity to do 428 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 4: what you love to do. Right, Like you're like, please, 429 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 4: somebody hire me, Somebody invite me to your party, Like 430 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 4: I just want to play, I want to hang out. 431 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: I want a seat at the table. 432 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 4: But when you're a producer, it's that thing of like, 433 00:17:57,840 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 4: if you don't have a seat at the table, build 434 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 4: your own table, Like I get to build my own 435 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 4: table now, and because it's my table, it's the table 436 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 4: I know I want to be at, and I do 437 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,479 Speaker 4: not build a table for one. So to have a 438 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 4: table where I know thousands of people are getting to 439 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 4: work and to pursue excellence and chase their dreams because 440 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 4: of what we're doing at Simpson Street. 441 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: That's such a gift. 442 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 4: So I think as a producer again, it's really about, like, 443 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 4: how can I be of service, not just to find 444 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 4: the projects that I want to do and tell the 445 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 4: stories I want to tell for me, but also like, 446 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,239 Speaker 4: I'm so proud of our show Reasonable Doubt, which we're 447 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 4: shooting in Atlanta right now. 448 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 5: Season three, Desperate Housewives, Yeah I make Yeah. 449 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 4: So we're really like we are creating lots of opportunities 450 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 4: not just for me but for other people, and that 451 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 4: I love to be of service. 452 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:39,239 Speaker 6: How do you go ahead? I was gonna ask, how 453 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 6: do you pick what you get involved in or choose 454 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 6: to do? Because the Desperate Housewives spin off it's like 455 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 6: twenty years later. Yeah, were you a fan of the 456 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 6: show or like, how what's. 457 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 4: The fact I love the show? I'm a huge fan 458 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:52,719 Speaker 4: of the show and that showrunner Mark Cherry. I just 459 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 4: I thought it's just a great time. Like some of 460 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 4: the issues of that show, the idea of like living 461 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 4: a life of perfection where everything looks good but underneath 462 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 4: there are secrets and desires and complexities that we're not 463 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,479 Speaker 4: talking about. Like that still resonates, So I thought this 464 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 4: was a good time to to think about how would 465 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 4: that show exist now? Who would be in that cul 466 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 4: de sac now? Because it looks different now than it 467 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 4: did twenty years ago. 468 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 3: I see people not happy about that though. I saw 469 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 3: some backlash. It was like, we don't want a new cast. 470 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 3: I think they're trying to say we don't want to adversity. 471 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 3: I think that's what it really say. 472 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 6: I was thinking, I mean, some black neighbors, we'll see, 473 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 6: we'll see. 474 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 2: Do you even when you hear stuff like that, does 475 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 2: it does it deter you in any way? 476 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 6: Like? 477 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 2: Is that a project I want to touch? 478 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: I'm open to feedback. 479 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 4: I think it's important to have your ear open to criticism. 480 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 4: But I try to only give real power to people 481 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 4: who are in the game right like I don't. I 482 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 4: don't really take criticism to heart from people who I 483 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:50,120 Speaker 4: don't admire and respect. 484 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 2: Damn, you can't even get. 485 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 5: From outside. 486 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 4: I have to like you and and like how you're 487 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 4: living and right you're doing and what you're creating to 488 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 4: feel like you have a say on what I do. 489 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 4: But I'm very open. I'm a very collaborative person. I'm 490 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 4: very open to feedback. I love getting like, I love 491 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 4: directors who challenge me, who make me be better, who 492 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 4: ask tough questions. You just have to be careful with 493 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,360 Speaker 4: your energy and not give it to haters. 494 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 2: So just the random folks on social media you like whatever? 495 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: No, I mean you I again, I think you have 496 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: to stay aware. 497 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 4: I think anytime you just dismiss human beings is that's 498 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 4: not healthy because everybody matters. Everybody's a child of God. 499 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 4: People's voices matter, people count. But you just have to 500 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 4: for me, as I'm weighing input, I have to make 501 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 4: sure that I don't give my power away. 502 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 2: Question. 503 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 3: When when you were doing scandal, right, Yeah, the scandal 504 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 3: seemed very absurd. 505 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 2: You think about the government. When you look at the 506 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 2: government now, you like, what like Seanna couldn't even write. 507 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: This, Wow, it's wild. 508 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 2: What would Olivia Pope do right now if she was part. 509 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 4: Of his government, which I don't think she would be 510 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,479 Speaker 4: part of this government. I don't think she would have 511 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 4: or she wouldn't serve this administration. 512 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 2: Even to be a spool who sat by the door 513 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 2: like the. 514 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 4: That's an interesting twist. Maybe Shonda would write that kind 515 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 4: of version. 516 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I really this administration. 517 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 4: Is beyond what I can wrap my head around right now. 518 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 4: And so I'm really really trying to pivot my focus 519 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 4: on most days to how each of us can show 520 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 4: up to participate in this process in ways that really matters, 521 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 4: because I think we got here because too many people 522 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 4: feel like they don't matter, like their voices didn't matter. 523 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 4: I think if more people understood the power of their vote, 524 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 4: we wouldn't be where we are. 525 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 3: When did you realize When did you first realize people 526 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 3: were watching you not just as an actress, but as 527 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 3: an as a leader. 528 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: Oh that's a good question. I don't know. 529 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,199 Speaker 4: I think I've always been a little bit of a 530 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 4: you know, I started my act division work when I 531 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 4: was a teenager, so I've always been a person who's 532 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 4: kind of been an artist but also tried to be 533 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 4: of service. 534 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: But I don't know. 535 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 2: I don't. 536 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 1: I don't. 537 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 4: I mean, even as you said it, I was like, Oh, 538 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:13,360 Speaker 4: I guess people do think of me as a leader, 539 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 4: but I don't. 540 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: That's not first in my mind. I don't think about 541 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: it in those terms. 542 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 6: Yeah, interesting, I would say, even politically like people they 543 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 6: I don't know your character of course, because of you know, 544 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,919 Speaker 6: living pope, but even politically, like people look to you 545 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 6: to see like who you're talking about, why you're talking about, 546 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 6: on what you're doing, what you're not doing. You got 547 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 6: off a X at one point, I did, Yeah you 548 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 6: took a break. 549 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 5: I saw you post that as well. Are you back now? 550 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 2: No? No? 551 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: No, no, right no. 552 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 6: But it's a synonymous with Olivia Popen who you know 553 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 6: what I mean? The show and that was Twitter. 554 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was an ex. 555 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 4: Twitter was made our show, part of what it was, 556 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 4: the culture on Twitter and black Twitter. But X is 557 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 4: a different place now. The neighborhood has changed. I don't 558 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 4: want to live there. 559 00:22:59,000 --> 00:22:59,360 Speaker 2: You moved. 560 00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 4: I'm not in that neighborhood anymore. I don't agree with 561 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 4: the leadership. You want to talk about leadership like, I 562 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 4: don't agree with the leadership there. I don't agree with 563 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,120 Speaker 4: how the conversations are happening. 564 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: It's not okay. It's not as safe a place as 565 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: it used to be. 566 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 4: And it was never entirely safe, but now it's like 567 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 4: the wild West and there's a lot of misinformation, and 568 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 4: so I don't want to be at that party. 569 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 3: I'm glad you use the word safe because you don't 570 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 3: seem to play it safe. But you have just like 571 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 3: huge career. A lot of people in Hollywood want to 572 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,479 Speaker 3: play it safe because they don't want to impact their career. 573 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:30,199 Speaker 3: Why do you take that? 574 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 2: I guess risk is the word. 575 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 4: It's interesting because I even at my company, when we 576 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 4: talk about culture within the company at Simpsons Street, we 577 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 4: often don't say like we want to make. 578 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: Sure this is a safe space. 579 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:41,719 Speaker 4: We try to say we want to make sure this 580 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 4: is a brave space, because it's not about safety. It's 581 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 4: about truth and having the courage, being brave to say 582 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:50,199 Speaker 4: the things that need to be said so that you 583 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 4: can move everybody forward. Safe is about like tiptoeing eggshells 584 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 4: working around people. It's like no, no, no, no, no, let's 585 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 4: be real, Let's tell the truth, Let's be kind. But 586 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 4: I think is kind? 587 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 2: Was there a brave story you want to tell right now? 588 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 3: Especially being like I said, they keep taking a lot 589 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 3: of things from us, So I feel like art is 590 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,880 Speaker 3: going to be the only way to educate and inform. 591 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 4: I was just at the Brooklyn Artists Ball last night 592 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 4: at the Brooklyn Museum and they were honoring Darren Walker, 593 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:20,679 Speaker 4: who's an incredible leader, and he was saying that artists 594 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 4: hold such important meaning in the culture right now because 595 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,679 Speaker 4: artists are like a mirror up to society. I'm really 596 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 4: proud of Shadow for us. I really I love this film. 597 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 4: I feel like theaters are back, Like I'm so excited 598 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 4: about Sinners. I'm obsessed with that film is so beautiful. 599 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 4: I feel like this is another like really exciting film 600 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 4: to see in theaters because the locations are gorgeous and 601 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 4: it's not a lot of cgi Like this is real 602 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 4: people doing real stunts, putting our bodies at risk. I'm 603 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 4: excited to be in community with people telling stories about 604 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 4: the power of black family and black love and black 605 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 4: parenting and black kids and. 606 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,400 Speaker 1: Community. You know. Yeah. 607 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,199 Speaker 4: And then I'm starting a series Simpsons. Street is producing 608 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,919 Speaker 4: a new series for Apple called Imperfect Women that we 609 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 4: start in a couple of weeks. We're filming in LA 610 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 4: So I'm really excited about that project to us with 611 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 4: Lizzie Moss from Handmaid's Tale, and that's also really about 612 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 4: like truth, you know, and. 613 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,360 Speaker 1: Booked and busy trying. 614 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 5: I love that. 615 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 4: And I'm excited that we're shooting in La you know, 616 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 4: because we need that after the fires, there's we really 617 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 4: need for more production to be happening in Los Angeles, 618 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,640 Speaker 4: So I just finished doing a film there and now 619 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 4: we're starting this series. 620 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 3: Are your role as Alicia masters and fantastic? 621 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 1: I haven't been invited to, but you can put that 622 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: out there. 623 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 4: I do want to do more action films. I really 624 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 4: feel like doing Shadow Force was so fun, and I 625 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 4: think it's exciting to work in that way, to be 626 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 4: to take on strength not just intellectually and emotionally and spiritually, 627 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 4: but physically. 628 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 3: How was Carrie Washington staying grounded not just in this 629 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 3: high pressure industry, but as you said, and just this 630 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 3: crazy ass world we're living in right now. 631 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 4: I think therapy is a big part of it. Therapy 632 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 4: is a big part of it. I think wellness practices 633 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 4: like my workouts are everything, hydrations, sleep. I have really 634 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,719 Speaker 4: been trying to center sleep this year. My doctor has 635 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 4: been like this, this has to be number one. So 636 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 4: those are I mean, I think those are the big ones. 637 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 4: And then just you know, staying connected to the. 638 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: People who I feel like really love me for who 639 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: I am. 640 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,199 Speaker 6: You know, people I feel closest to you do a 641 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 6: really good job of like on social not on X 642 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 6: but there are the socials for your fans, like, we 643 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 6: always feel really connected. When Unprisoned was canceled, we heard 644 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 6: it from you first, which doesn't normally happen a lot 645 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 6: of times. The talent involved is like, we didn't even 646 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 6: know that this was happening, But you were honest. You 647 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 6: said that you guys were disappointed that it wasn't coming back. 648 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 4: Why, I thank you for bringing that up, because the 649 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 4: interview that you guys did with Della was so special. 650 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:08,360 Speaker 4: So he's amazing supporting actress so great. So I mean, 651 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 4: it's one of my favorite interviews he's ever done, and 652 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 4: so thank you for having him on and for supporting 653 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 4: the show. I mean, it's one of the gifts of 654 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 4: being a producer, right is a lot of actors, a 655 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 4: lot of talent don't They don't know when decisions are 656 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 4: being made. But as a producer, I get to be 657 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,919 Speaker 4: in the room even when it's disappointing. 658 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: News that I don't want to hear. 659 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 4: And I feel like the fans deserve that because everything 660 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 4: we have is because people show up and watch. 661 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:28,439 Speaker 1: You know. 662 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 4: I'm very aware that the life I live is because 663 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 4: of the people who have shown up to support me 664 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 4: throughout the years, and I'm really grateful. So I try 665 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 4: to treat that relationship with as much respect as possible. 666 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 5: Could I ever tell you why, Like when these things don't. 667 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:43,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, they do. 668 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 4: You know, sometimes it makes sense, sometimes it doesn't, and 669 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 4: sometimes we don't see eye to eye about their reasons. 670 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 1: So you know, she's so pleasant for me. 671 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 4: It's like, that's why we have to keep That's why 672 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 4: you just got to keep creating. Like the biggest way 673 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 4: to heal heartache around creativity especially is to just create more. 674 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 4: You just got to get back in there and take 675 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 4: more risks, tell more stories, stay stay vocal. 676 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Queen carry Washington. 677 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 3: Always a pleasure when you pull up Shadow Forces in 678 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 3: theaters on May seconds Friday. 679 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: No no, no man, all the. 680 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 2: Okay, Mother's Day weekend. 681 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 3: That is the That's that's what you need to take 682 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 3: your mother to go see Shadow Force. 683 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 2: Carrie. 684 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us, Thank you for having me. 685 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 2: It's a pleasure. Breakfast Club, wake that ass up in 686 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 2: the morning. The Breakfast Club