1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Just a few days before 2 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: Christmas nineteen eighty four, Janelle was dropped off at home 3 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: after a choir concert. When her parents returned an hour later, 4 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,279 Speaker 1: Janelle was gone. Her shoes were left behind, the front 5 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: door was opened, the TV was on. No good clues 6 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: or solid leads have ever been found in the case. 7 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: Both police and her family are convinced Janelle was kidnapped 8 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 1: and murdered. Shoes left behind right after a choir concert. 9 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 1: You're hearing our friend at News nine. That was Roger 10 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: Wolf talking about the abduction of a beautiful twelve year 11 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: old little girl, Janelle Matthews. I'm Eancy Grace. This is 12 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Take a listen to our friend at KMGH. 13 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: This is Stuart Jacobi. Twelve year old Janelle Matthews disappeared 14 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: from her Greeley home one month ago today. It's believed 15 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:03,279 Speaker 1: she's the victim of a kidnapping. She has not been 16 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: seen or heard from since December twentieth. Authorities and the 17 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: girl's parents still have many avenues open to them in 18 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: their search, but the Matthews family feels their whitest avenue 19 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: is prayer. A twenty four hour prayer vigil began at 20 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 1: noon today at most Greely churches. The Matthews family, Jim, Gloria, 21 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,199 Speaker 1: and sixteen year old Jennifer, attend the Sunny View Church 22 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: of the Nazarene. Throughout the ordeal, their faith has been 23 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: strong and unwavering. One of the things we're learning through 24 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: this is patients, obviously, and in realizing that we have 25 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: to turn this over to God and it's God's timing 26 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: that's going to bring her back. Jim Matthews says, it's 27 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: fellow church members Christians who are helping him and his 28 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: family work through this ordeal. Church members and students will 29 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: conduct an area wide foot search for Janelle sometime next month. Meanwhile, 30 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: Jim Matthews says he and his family will keep hanging 31 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: on to the hope that Janelle is alive and will 32 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: one day be found. We'll keep hanging on, he says, 33 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: and will not. Can you imagine the suffering this family 34 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: has gone through. She goes to acquire concert that night 35 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: and then seemingly disappears off the face of the earth. 36 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: The only thing left behind the shoes she was wearing. 37 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: A bizarre and heartbreaking clue left behind, joining me right 38 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: now an all star panel. Ashley Wilcot, judge, trial lawyer. 39 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: You can find her at Ashley Wilcott dot com. Renowned 40 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University 41 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: and author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. Doctor 42 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: Karen Stark Psychologists you can find her at Karen Stark 43 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: dot com. Joining us today from Manhattan, Stephen Lampley, detective, 44 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: author of Inside the Mind of a Serial Killer, but 45 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 1: straight Out to Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter Levi Page. 46 00:02:55,360 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: Take me through the night of her Janelle May Matthews, 47 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,119 Speaker 1: a twelve year old little girl disappearance. Well the night 48 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: that she vanished, she was participating in a choir program 49 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: and she was singing Christmas carols with people her age 50 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 1: at a nursing home and she had a friend that 51 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: took her back home. Their family took her back home 52 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: at approximately eight PM, and she was home alone because 53 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: her mother was visiting family out of state and her 54 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 1: dad was at a basketball game that her sister was playing, 55 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: and they returned around nine thirty pm that night, came 56 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: home and discovered Janelle missing. Now the dad, you're referring 57 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: to Janelle's adopted dad. Jim, correct, you're saying he was 58 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: in a basketball game that night with Janelle's sister. Okay, 59 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: so we know where he was. Where's the mom? She 60 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: was out of state visiting relatives. Okay. Question who brought 61 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: her home from the from the concert at the nursing home. 62 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: We know that it was a family, a friend of hers. 63 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: Their family dropped her off, and we know that she 64 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: did arrive home because her father was a principal at 65 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 1: an elementary school and a teacher had called that night 66 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: and left a message for her father that Janelle was 67 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: supposed to relay to him. She never got to relay 68 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 1: that message. I'm sorry, what did you say about a message? 69 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: Her father was a principal at an elementary school and 70 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: one of the teachers that worked for him had called 71 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: and was trying to reach him. He wasn't there, but 72 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: she left a message for Janelle, and she never got 73 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: to relay that message. But we do know that she 74 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 1: was home because a teacher called and spoke to her 75 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: on the phone. The name of the ride was Dane Ross, 76 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: was a little friend of Janelle Matthews. It was her 77 00:04:55,480 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 1: father and her Dan Ross that gave Janelle a ride home, 78 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: and you're right, it's confirmed, Levi Page that she was 79 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 1: at the house. Now, tell me about the search that 80 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 1: ensued looking for twelve year old Janelle Levi. The entire 81 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: community was searching for her, and police found footprints in 82 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: the back of the home and the garage door was open. 83 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: Those are the only clues that we have regarding this case. 84 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: This little girl, Janelle Matthews was last seeing wearing a 85 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 1: blue vest and a red shirt. She was wearing that 86 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 1: when she performed at a Christmas concert with the Franklin 87 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: Middle School Honor Choir. They're in Greeley, Colorado. We also 88 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: know for sure that a friend after the concert, Janelle's 89 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: friend and her dad dropped her off around eight pm 90 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: at a snow covered wrench style home where she lived 91 00:05:56,320 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 1: with her dad, Jim Mong Gloria's sister, Jennifer. Now her 92 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: parents tell police they get home at ten pm that 93 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: night to find the front door open and their twelve 94 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 1: year old little girl, who's just the cutest thing ever gone, 95 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: That is what they said. Her shoes were sitting by 96 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: a chair, her leotards were thrown over the couch, but 97 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 1: she was gone. No arrest has been made, and the 98 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 1: community was in shock and stayed in shock four years. 99 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. I just have I feel 100 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: a lot of gratitude that missing children are not forgotten. 101 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: Janelle Matthews is not forgotten. Ten years after she disappeared, 102 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: police and volunteers scoured every corner of Weld County looking 103 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: for her. Just a few days before Christmas nineteen eighty four, 104 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 1: Janelle was dropped off at home after a choir concert. 105 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: When her parents returned an hour later, Janelle was gone. 106 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: Her shoes were left behind, the front door was opened, 107 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 1: the TV was on. No good clues or solid leads 108 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: have ever been found in the case. Both police and 109 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: her family are convinced Janelle was kidnapped and murdered. Next Tuesday, 110 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: the Matthews family will gather with friends in Greeley for 111 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: a church service to remember Janelle and to say goodbye. 112 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: But we've never said goodbye to her, and it's just 113 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: kind of putting a closure on it because most likely 114 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: she's she is dead, and you might, you know, a 115 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: heart start torn in wanting to put a closure on it, 116 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: and yet keeping a hope and somehow other this hope 117 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: I think Tuesday Night will kind of be buried. You know, 118 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: this thread of hope will will bury that hope. I 119 00:07:50,760 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: think Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Friends dropped Janelle off 120 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: at her Greeley home after a choir concert. When her 121 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: father got to the house later that evening, she was gone. 122 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: Her shoes and a shawl were the only clues left behind. 123 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: Ten years later, the Matthews family held a funeral service 124 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: for their missing daughter. Still no arrests, no clues, and 125 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: no closure. We realize that we haven't got complete finality 126 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: here because we don't have a body or proof of something, 127 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: but we would still we still want to go through 128 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:38,439 Speaker 1: and commit Janelle to the Lord and just say goodbye 129 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: to her. Thirty four years after Janelle Matthews saw her 130 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: family for the final time, I can assure you that 131 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: we are going to be working tirelessly to bring justice 132 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: to Janelle, a break in the case, even if it 133 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: isn't yet solved. And while this week's discovery of something, 134 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,319 Speaker 1: officers here and really have been working towards for more 135 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 1: than thirty years, actually solving this case is far more difficult. 136 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: There have been suspects over the years. Throughout the course 137 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: of this investigation, but no one has ever been charged 138 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,199 Speaker 1: in this crime. Our friend at NBC nine, that was 139 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: Mark Salinger. A little girl sings at an honor concerted 140 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:17,199 Speaker 1: a local nursing home concert put together by her school, 141 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 1: is brought home by a classmate and her dad. They leave, 142 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: don't get the idea that the dad lingered in the 143 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 1: home by all accounts, But when her own adopted parents 144 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: get home two hours later, they find her shoes, the 145 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: leotard she wore for her outfit, but no Janelle. Take 146 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: a listen to this as the years ticked by. This 147 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: is a case the Greeley Police Department has been working 148 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: to solve for more than thirty years. Janelle Matthews was 149 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: twelve years old when she went missing. Today she'd be 150 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,319 Speaker 1: in her mid forties. Officers say they've never stopped looking 151 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: for her. This case is way too heavy on the 152 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: heart of the Greeley Police Department and the family and 153 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 1: the entire city of Greeley Since that December night she 154 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: went missing in nineteen eighty four, people search throughout Weld 155 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: County in the entire country for the twelve year old. 156 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: President Ronald Reagan even mentioned her in one of his 157 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: national addresses. I feel a lot of gratitude that missing 158 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:19,559 Speaker 1: children are not forgotten. Gloria Matthews and her husband Jim 159 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: were the first to notice their daughter was missing. You know, 160 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: when you look at scenarios like this to actually walcott, 161 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: the first thing you do, and sad but true, you 162 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: look at the parents because so often, unfortunately in the 163 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: world I live, in the work I do, parents are 164 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:40,839 Speaker 1: responsible because there's no other good sense, common sense explanation. 165 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: A kid just disappears. What are you kidding me? So 166 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: you look at the closest people first, which are the parents, 167 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: and then you go outward from there to look at 168 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: the other relatives and people that knew the child. But 169 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 1: you always, unfortunately, have to start with the parent. You 170 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: have to Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert, Professor of forensics 171 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: and author, Why why do we always start with the parents? 172 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: Because they're the biggest stakeholders, Nancy, They're the ones that 173 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 1: have an intimate relationship and obviously they're the ones that 174 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,719 Speaker 1: are going to have access to the victim, and that 175 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: is paramount when we conduct this investigation. We're going to 176 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 1: look at all of the intimates within the victim's circle 177 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: to Stephen Lampley, detective author of Inside the Mind of 178 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 1: a Serial Killer. You can find that on Amazon. Steve, 179 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: in a case like this, you've got a two hour window. 180 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: She's dropped off by the little friend and her dad 181 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: at eight. The parents come home at ten. The mom 182 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: is out of state. The dad is with his other daughter, 183 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 1: Janelle's sister, at a basketball game. They find her shoes 184 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 1: and the leotard she was wearing, laying over a sofa. 185 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: And I mean, to me, that sounds absolutely normal, because 186 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: I can't remember, you know, my twins don't get past. 187 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: They come into the back door. They get as far 188 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: as the den's that's ten steps, and there go all 189 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: their shoes, their clothes there everything I could see that. 190 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: I could see her coming in, taking off her shoes 191 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: and those tight leotard's girls have to wear and throw 192 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: them on the chair. But that's all there is of her. 193 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: The only clue, Steve, what do you do in a 194 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: case like that? Well, answer this is a tough one, 195 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: you know, since she did. She came in, and she 196 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: put her clothes in, and she even had she even 197 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: brought a space heater, her dad said, brought a space 198 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: heat road where she would normally sit till she would 199 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 1: stay warm. There's not a lot to go on. I 200 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: don't I don't know what I do know. There were 201 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: footprints outside the windows, as if somebody was looking in. 202 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: There were supposed to footprints either in I couldn't make 203 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: sense out of this, either in the garage or outside 204 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: the garage in the snow. The others were by the 205 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: by the windows. Uh. There's a supposition there was some 206 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 1: pop that I read somewhere on this case that she 207 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: passed knew the person had had prior interaction with the person. 208 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: Given the fact that there was no obvious struggle. I 209 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 1: don't know if if indeed there was somebody that she knew. 210 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: But this is the complint answer. But you start off, 211 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: like we talked about, you start off always with the 212 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: inner circle. You start off in this case with the 213 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 1: parents because there was no boyfriend or husband, and you 214 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: go out from there and then that's all you can do. 215 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: What about it too? Justice Scott Morgan, forensics expert. What 216 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: do you do with those facts that Steve Lampley, detective 217 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: laid out. You pursue every inch that you possibly can 218 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 1: and listen, you have to hold onto this information Nancy. 219 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: We're multiple decades past this event, so what they did 220 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: back then is very very important relative to keeping her 221 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: narrative alive. So you have to follow each one of 222 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: these leads. Relative to those footprints that that Stephen was 223 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: referring to, you have to document those very carefully and 224 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: see if they're actually matchable to a set of say 225 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: a footprints that they might have on record. And it's 226 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 1: not going to be to a specific person, but say, 227 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: for instance, to a type of shoe. One thing that's 228 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:09,439 Speaker 1: very important here though, to keep in mind is that 229 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: whatever happened, I believe happened quickly because her shoes were 230 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: left inside. You have already stated that it was cold outside. 231 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: We're talking about Colorado and Nancy. This is December. You 232 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: know that it was freezing, So this was a very 233 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: quick event. Take listen to our friends at CBS four. 234 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: This is Tory Mason. I spoke to Janelle's mother this morning, 235 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: and she says her family is numb. After thirty four years, 236 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: their daughter has been found and now it's time to 237 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: find the person responsible. This case is way too heavy 238 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: on the hearts of the Greeley Police Department and the 239 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: family and the entire city of Greeley. Oil Field workers 240 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: found human remains in Weld County Tuesday night, about twenty 241 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: four miles from the Matthews home in Greeley. Evidence at 242 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: the scene helped investigators determine the remains belong to twelve 243 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: year old Janelle Matthews. According to GPD, there was red 244 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: and blue clothing similar to what Janelle was wearing the 245 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: night she went missing. Janelle disappeared on December twentieth, nineteen 246 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: eighty four, after performing a concert with the Franklin Middle 247 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: School Honor Choir. She was last seen entering her home 248 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: after being dropped off by a friend and her friend's father. Now, 249 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: the investigation remains active and Grilly Police says they're chasing 250 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: tips on a suspect. Anyone with information is asked to 251 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: contact their tipline. I don't understand how cops were led 252 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: to this location. To Levi Page Crimeline dot com investigative 253 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: reporter tell me about the discovery of these bones. So 254 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: oil workers were digging a pipeline in Well County, which 255 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: is about twenty two miles south of Greeley, Colorado, where 256 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: this twelve year old vanished. What are the chances Nancy, 257 00:15:55,680 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 1: they're digging this pipeline and they come across her body, 258 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: thirty four years after she vanished. It's a miracle. Her 259 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: parents seemed to have given up hope that she would 260 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: ever be found, and then it happens. And there's so 261 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: many cold cases out there. And even though this may 262 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: not be what we all wanted, at least they now 263 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: gave her a proper memorial. They knew that she's dead, 264 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: They know that she's dead now. And Nancy, you know 265 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: what is so tragic about this. Her biological mother gave 266 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: her for adoption when she was thirteen years old, and 267 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: police actually investigated her. They had her under surveillance for 268 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: six weeks. She lives in Los Angeles and the FBI 269 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: was looking at her, but they couldn't tell her based 270 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: on the law because it was a closed adoption. And 271 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: then decades later, in nineteen ninety seven, she goes searching 272 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: for her biological daughter and then discovers that her daughter 273 00:16:54,680 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 1: is missing presumed death. Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here a 274 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: beautiful mom of two. In fact, I call her a 275 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: Reese Witherspoon look alike because in a lot of pictures, 276 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: that's exactly who she looks like the mother of two 277 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 1: beautiful little children, including an eight year old little girl, 278 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: is found dead in a bloody bathtub a slip and fall, 279 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: and her eight year old daughter Anna is the one 280 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 1: that found her. This Saturday, six o'clock Eastern, five Central 281 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: on Oxygen Injuice with Nancy Grace, we investigate the death 282 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: of Shelley Danishevsky because I do not believe this was 283 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: a slip and a fall, and from what I can see, 284 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: there has been a grave injustice on many levels. Please 285 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: join us in a search for the truth. This Saturday, 286 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: six pm, Eastern, five Central Injustice with Nancy Grace. Thanks guys. 287 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 1: Climb Stories with Nancy Grace. So this is the area 288 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: where Joanelle's body was found by the oil field crew. 289 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: It's about thirty minutes away from her home, and you 290 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: can imagine what this area looked like thirty four years ago. 291 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:24,719 Speaker 1: It was more or less just an empty field at 292 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: the time. Out here along County Road thirty four and 293 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 1: a half, it's busy oil field crews heading in and 294 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: out of an area that will soon be home to 295 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: Weld County's newest pipeline. Along with all the construction traffic 296 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: a single police car after the remains of Joanelle Matthews 297 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 1: were discovered here on a Tuesday. We would also like 298 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: to offer our deepest condolences to the Matthews family. I 299 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 1: can assure you that we are going to be working 300 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 1: tirelessly to bring justice to Janelle. For more than three decades, 301 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: her family has been searching for answers because there was 302 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: never a body found or anything. You just don't know. 303 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: Her sister, Jennifer, now lives in Washington. It was always 304 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 1: like a cold case. And sometimes I go to Walmart 305 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 1: and I would see the age progression photos and that 306 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,239 Speaker 1: would kind of like startle you a little bit. You're 307 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 1: hearing our friends at Dinver seven. That was making Lopez 308 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: take a listen to NBC nine Mark Salinger. The journey 309 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: back to Colorado was easy. Travel was very uneventful, easy 310 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: compared to the journey they've been on for thirty four years. 311 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: Of course, it was a real shock when we first 312 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: heard it. Gloria and Jim Matthews got the call last week, 313 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: a detective in Greeley had some long awaited news. We 314 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:41,160 Speaker 1: both were just really surprise and shocked, totally totally caught 315 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,919 Speaker 1: off guard. Yeah, it was just as we were. We 316 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: have been consigned to the fact that we probably never 317 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: would know what happened to her, and this is just 318 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 1: an absolute miracle about how she was found. Janelle's case 319 00:19:56,160 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: stumped investigators and captivated the country. Five days before Christmas, 320 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 1: Joanelle disappeared from her home. It was an excavation crew 321 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: that would find her remains at an oil and gas 322 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: site in Weld County thirty four years later. So we 323 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: really believe that God has provided a miracle for this 324 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 1: to happen. While Greeley police work to figure out who 325 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: is responsible for Janelle's death, her parents say they just 326 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 1: wanted to find her whereat peace. Everything changed in the 327 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 1: late afternoon when oil field workers who were digging a 328 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 1: pipeline about a quarter of a mile northwest of a 329 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: Weld County Road forty nine, unearthed a small hole containing 330 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:43,199 Speaker 1: a child's skull, bones and a severed jaw fit with braces. 331 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: This is what we were learning, according to the Greeley Tribune, 332 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: I got a question for you, just got Morgan, my 333 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: professor forensics at Jacksonville State. After nearly thirty five years, 334 00:20:56,280 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: could clothing found with the bones and braces reveal forensic 335 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: evidence that could lead to the killer. Well, relative to 336 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: the braces, the braces are a specific identifier, nancy, and 337 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: that work that was done orthodonically, it is going to 338 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: be traced back to the individual that did the work. However, 339 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: as far as the braces are concerned, No, I don't 340 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: think that there would be an innication there. However, with clothing, 341 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: for instance, particularly synthetic blends that are in there, You're 342 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: not going to find like a lot of natural stuff 343 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 1: like cottons and that sort of thing, but synthetic blends. 344 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 1: If they have clothing, the state of the clothing was 345 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: it torn, was it ripped, was it deposited? Say, for instance, 346 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: as you know, we have a lot of these cases 347 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 1: where we'll have skeletal remains that are found. We might 348 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: find clothing that's in an adjacent area, as if the 349 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: person was stripped nude and then the clothing set aside. 350 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: That might give us more of the nature of the case. 351 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: But as far as a specific identifier, I think that 352 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 1: that would be very very difficult. Well, what about DNA 353 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: from the perp on either her braces, which lead you 354 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: to a lot of horrible images about what may have 355 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: happened to her or on her clothing. Couldn't there be 356 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: DNA on particularly her clothing, if not her braces, but 357 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 1: even on her braces. Yeah, you know, I think that 358 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: it would be ideally. Yeah, I think that that would 359 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: be great to have. But the problem is, Nancy, We're 360 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: very familiar with this area where her body was found. 361 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: It's it's a very arid areas, it's hostile. She's been buried, 362 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: I'm assuming in bare dirt. Remember they were talking about 363 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: how there was a hole that was dug and she 364 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: was placed in there. I think that from a biological standpoint, 365 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: anything that was there as far as DNA, because of 366 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: the environmental exposure, I think that it would be very, 367 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: very difficult to recover anything. But I just keep thinking 368 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: if her clothing. I guess I'm grasping at straws because 369 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 1: I'm want this solved. I just can't help but think 370 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: that there could be DNA on her clothing. I mean, 371 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: apparently her clothing was still on her body. I don't 372 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,120 Speaker 1: know that fact. I don't know that it wasn't separate, 373 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,439 Speaker 1: but apparently the clothing was on her body. Yeah, and 374 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: that's a significant finding from an investigative standpoint, If she 375 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 1: was not stripped of her clothing, and we have essentially 376 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: a set of human bones that are found contained within clothing, 377 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: that tells us a bit more about the nature of 378 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: the crime if she was not undressed. So I think 379 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: that this is going to be more reliant this case. 380 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 1: In solving this case, it's going to be more reliant 381 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: upon the nature in which her body was found as 382 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 1: more so than say, at a molecular level, trying to 383 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: tie this back to somebody specifically. Well, also then you 384 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 1: have super freaks. He would redress victims, which is always 385 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: a possibility. But if he did do that, he could 386 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: have left DNA. But another issue which I find to 387 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: be very probitive, or it proved something to me, the 388 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: clothing that she was wearing were tattered. The clothing was tattered, 389 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: but it was the blue and red clothes she was 390 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: wearing at the time she disappeared. That tells me she 391 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: hadn't gone back to the back and taken a bath 392 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: and put on her pj's. As Steve Lampley said earlier, 393 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: this happened very very quickly. But what more do we 394 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: know right now? No comment on how authorities were able 395 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: to identify the remains. But I guarantee you if the 396 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: parents saw the blue and red outfit, they would know immediately. 397 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: And as Joe Scott was saying, you don't necessarily need 398 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: DNA if you have the teeth. If you have the 399 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: teeth and the braces that were individual to her, that's 400 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: how you identify her. You don't have to wait on DNA. 401 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 1: What about it, Joe Scott, Yeah, you're absolutely right, because 402 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 1: particularly with braces, Nancy, you know, she's only twelve, so 403 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: she's not going to have like us as adults. She's 404 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: not going to have like a lot of restorations in 405 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: her mouth relative to things like fillings and caps and 406 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,120 Speaker 1: crowns and all those sorts of things. But those braces 407 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: are very specific. That gives us an indicator that the Orthodonis, 408 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: the Orthodonis felt is though, that all of her adult 409 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: teeth had erupted at that point in time, because now 410 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 1: they're trying to specifically straighten those and so that is 411 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: a major identifier for her. But you know, from a 412 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 1: forensic standpoint, trying to solve this case, we're going to 413 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 1: have to rely on who, and this is very important, 414 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: who had access and knowledge of not just her home, 415 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: but to this specific area. This is a very very 416 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 1: specific area in amongst all of these oil fields. I 417 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 1: hate to bring his name up, but keep in mind, 418 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: this is where Chris Watt's deposit of those bodies. That 419 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: gives you an idea how vast this area is. So 420 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: tell me again what you're saying about the specific nature 421 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 1: of where her body was found. Yeah, you know, keep 422 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,360 Speaker 1: in mind she was found. Janelle was found along this 423 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: kind of pipeline area that was out there that Levi 424 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 1: had had described. It is a very vast area. Chris 425 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,679 Speaker 1: Watts worked in an area very similar to this in 426 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 1: Welled County, the same county, believe it or not, all 427 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: of these years later, and it's I find it. It's 428 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 1: rife with irony that this little girl's body would be 429 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 1: deposited out there. But you know, Chris Watts had specific 430 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 1: knowledge of that area because he worked in that area. 431 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,360 Speaker 1: I think for me, you would want to look at 432 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,640 Speaker 1: individuals that were working on this construction site that had 433 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 1: knowledge of this area. They knew that it was secluded 434 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 1: that no one else they thought at least would ever 435 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 1: come back to it, and of course in this case 436 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: they did. To Levi page climb online dot Com investigative 437 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 1: reporter LEVI go through the area for me again because 438 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 1: I find what Joe Scott Morgan is saying. It's very 439 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: very significant. I mean I always use Scott Peterson because 440 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 1: it's a good example. He's a fisherman. Where does he 441 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: hide Lacy and Connor's body out where he goes fishing 442 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: in San Francisco. Hey, that's just an example of people 443 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: go to a place where they are familiar, a place 444 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 1: where they have been before, just like Chris Watts how 445 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 1: he buried his wife Shanane and Celeste and Bella Eddie 446 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: Anadarko oil fields where he worked. Tell me about where 447 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:24,640 Speaker 1: Janelle's body was found. It was in Weld County, Colorado, 448 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: and it was twenty two miles south of where she 449 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: went missing in Greeley, Colorado. So this was not in 450 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,640 Speaker 1: the same town. It was twenty two miles away. So 451 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,959 Speaker 1: if there's any suspects that police had over the years, 452 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: I would wonder if they are going back and looking 453 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: to see if they have any ties to Weld County, Colorado. 454 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 1: And you know what's odd about this case, Nancy As 455 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: police have investigated several people remembering the John Benet Ramsey case. 456 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: John Mark Carr gave a false confession because he was 457 00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,640 Speaker 1: a nutcase that was obsessed with John Benet. There are 458 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: this was a very high profile case. President Reagan even 459 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 1: mentioned it, and there were people similar in this case 460 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,159 Speaker 1: that were obsessed with the case, that collected newspaper clippings 461 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: and we're giving false confessions and police had to investigate them. 462 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:20,120 Speaker 1: So police have investigated a lot of people over the years, 463 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 1: and I hope they go back to see if anybody 464 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: has ties to this remote rural area in Weld County, Colorado, 465 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: twenty two miles south of where she lived. Clime Stories 466 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Of course, it was a real shock 467 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: when we first heard it. Gloria and Jim Matthews got 468 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: the call last week a detective in Greeley had some 469 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: long awaited news. We both were just really surprise and shock, 470 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: totally caught off guard. Yeah, it was just a were 471 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: we have been consigned to the fact that we probably 472 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 1: never would know what happened to her, and this is 473 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 1: just an absolute miracle about how she was found. Janelle's 474 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: case stumped investigators and captivated the country. Five days before Christmas, 475 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: Janelle disappeared from her home. It was an excavation crew 476 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: that would find her remains at an oil and gas 477 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: site in Weld County thirty four years later. So we 478 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: really believe that God has provided a miracle for this 479 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: to happen. While Greeley police worked to figure out who 480 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: is responsible for Janelle's death, her parents say they just 481 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 1: wanted to find her. Whereat peace. You are hearing Janelle's 482 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: parents speaking to Denver nine News straight out to judge 483 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: and trial lawyer Ashley Wilcott at Ashley Wilcot dot com. 484 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: I have so many questions, as so many thoughts colliding 485 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: in my head right now, way Anne, Ashley Wilcot. Yeah, So, 486 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: first of all, you know, my heart goes out to 487 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 1: this family because I dont want to throw up. I've 488 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: got an eleven year old. I can't even imagine your 489 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: twelve year old. But a couple of things. It is 490 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: a miracle they found the body. Now that they found 491 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: the body, note though, they can tell from testing on 492 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: the body at the age at which she died, So 493 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: now we're gonna know that she most likely died at 494 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 1: the age of twelve, not that she was kept captive 495 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: somewhere and then killed years later. Second of all, there 496 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: was mention of I believe unless I misunderstood a broken 497 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: jaw bone perhaps, and if that's the case, that's going 498 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: to give more information about what happened to her, perhaps 499 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 1: how she was killed. Now, the last piece I have 500 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: to say is, now this goes from the cold case 501 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 1: with one crime scene. The only crime scene they had 502 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,479 Speaker 1: was the house from which she disappeared, leaving everything behind. 503 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 1: Now they have an entire another crime scene where the 504 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 1: body was found, and now they can investigate from their outwards. 505 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: So started that crime scene and see did anyone see anything? 506 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 1: Who was in the area. So it gives them a 507 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 1: whole bunch of new opportunity to find evidence to solve 508 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: this cold case. Wow, well put Ashley will caught to 509 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: Steve Lampley, detective, author of Inside the Mind of a 510 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: Serial Killer, what do you make of Ashley's correct observation 511 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: that we now have a secondary crime scene, What, if 512 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: anything can we learn from it? Well, thank you. There's 513 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 1: any number of things going back to the DNA. It 514 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 1: is possible that there is I don't know to which 515 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:23,719 Speaker 1: about the DNA still on the teeth or even necessarily 516 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: on the clothing, But my guests and Joseph Scott would 517 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: know more than I that there made the greatest chances 518 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: for DNA might be fiber or left by the suspect 519 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: on her clothing, or maybe from the car that she 520 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: will contruct or however she was transported. I'd be looking 521 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: at that or hello, sperm. Do you think the perp 522 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 1: just kidnapped her to go for an evening drive? No, 523 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 1: he kidnapped her for a reason. I'm thinking this through 524 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: and I'm deducing a lot. Did Joseph Scott, Morgan forensics expert, 525 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 1: was killed the night that she was abducted. She still 526 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: had on the same clothing. Okay, there was a space 527 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 1: of two hours, two hours according to the timeline that 528 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: we have. Who if anyone saw her? Okay, we know 529 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 1: that the purp realized she was home alone. Who would 530 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 1: know that? Who would know how to go to the 531 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: back window and leave footprints in the snow? Who would 532 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: know she was there? Her mom was out of town, 533 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: her dad was at a basketball game. Because if you 534 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 1: thought somebody else was home, highly unlikely you would break 535 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 1: into the home and still a little girl. There was 536 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: no sign of a struggle. It all tells me very 537 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: clearly that she knew the purp. This was not some 538 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 1: purv that saw her singing at the rest time. We went, wow, 539 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: I'm going to follow her home. For all the purvnew 540 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: would have known that was her dad taken her. Okay, 541 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: so that didn't happen. This is somebody that knew her 542 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 1: and knew she was home alone. Joe Scott helped me out, Hey, look, 543 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: this is not dumb luck that this happened, Nancy. Someone 544 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: I think probably targeted this, and it's somebody that has 545 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: a specific inclination towards children this age. That's why I 546 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 1: think that right now, in today's present context, this monster 547 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: might still be alive. I think that it's very important 548 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 1: that they go back and they check the registered sex 549 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: offenders that originated in this area that have a history 550 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 1: of this. Hopefully that they're doing this moving forward. Somebody 551 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 1: that had intimate knowledge of the family, Nancy, I mean, 552 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 1: who else is you know, Look, the dad's not there, 553 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: the mom's not there, Okay, we know that there's a concert, 554 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 1: we know that the girl's there a home alone. You've 555 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 1: got somebody that felt comfortable enough to walk around the 556 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 1: perimeter of this house peeking in the windows, potentially leaving 557 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 1: shoeprints behind and touching all manner of things. That's all 558 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 1: gone at this point. I hope they documented it really well. 559 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 1: But what kind of tieback do we have to some 560 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 1: kind of sycophant that's out there that are not sycophant, 561 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,240 Speaker 1: but some kind of sicko that's out there that's actually 562 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: targeting small children of this age. I think that that's 563 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,720 Speaker 1: very critical in this case. Isn't it true that DNA, 564 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 1: although it may be dried up, you can get DNA 565 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: years later Joe Scott, Yeah, you can, Nancy, if it 566 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 1: is in a protected environment. And that's the big hook here. 567 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 1: One of the things I was always amazed with Golden State, 568 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,239 Speaker 1: for instance, is that they were able to preserve that 569 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 1: evidence so well. And I think the evidence that he 570 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,479 Speaker 1: had left behind all those years ago, they were able 571 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 1: to protect that, And I say they the police with 572 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 1: the evidence room, and you and I have been in 573 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,400 Speaker 1: some nasty evidence rooms, that they were able to maintain 574 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,320 Speaker 1: that in a pristine condition. How well were they able 575 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: to collect any kind of physical evidence that was found 576 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 1: at the scene. So I haven't heard anything about blood deposits, 577 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 1: about any indication that there's some kind of other biological 578 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: evidence left behind that they had noted to preserve. So 579 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 1: that's going to be key. We ask you this, well, 580 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 1: I've got you, Joe Scott. What is the location in 581 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 1: the manner in which she was buried. We don't know 582 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 1: how she was killed, whether she was asphyxiated that strangler 583 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 1: or smothered, whether she was shot, whether she was stabbed. 584 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 1: What can you say about the severed jaw? Did that 585 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 1: happen just naturally? But more important the location in the 586 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 1: manner in which she was buried. What does that tell 587 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 1: us about the killer's mo Well, let's talk about the 588 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: jaw first off, since you mentioned it. If people will 589 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 1: just touch their chin, there's actually what's herfer too as 590 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,800 Speaker 1: a suiture line in that area. That's where the bones 591 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 1: fused together. It's not surprising that the jaw would kind 592 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,879 Speaker 1: of break in half after thirty four years, and it's 593 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 1: not really a breaking as much as it is and 594 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 1: I'm this is an assumption on my part that it 595 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 1: has just naturally kind of fallen apart. Now, if there's 596 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 1: a specific break there which they can tell after all 597 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: these years, that means that it was fractured by say, 598 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 1: blunt force trauma. That means that we're dealing with probably 599 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: a brutal, brutal killer. This is going to be a 600 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 1: male that did this. And let's think about what would 601 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,319 Speaker 1: it take. What kind of person would take a twelve 602 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,879 Speaker 1: year old girl and beat her to the point where 603 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 1: you're going to break her jaw. If that is the case, 604 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,440 Speaker 1: that gives us an indication as to the individual. Now, 605 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:27,239 Speaker 1: as far as burial, you know, with back again to 606 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 1: the monster that Chris Watts is, the burial that he 607 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 1: had for his wife was very shallow. We do know 608 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 1: from the investigators that that soil out there is very 609 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,799 Speaker 1: very hard. I'm assuming the soil there where Janelle was 610 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 1: found it is very very hard. They're talking about you. 611 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 1: They're using the term she was buried down in a hole. 612 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 1: That means that the individual had time with her body 613 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 1: to take an implement and dig down into the soil 614 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 1: and remove the dirt, place her into the hole so 615 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,080 Speaker 1: that she would never be found up until this point, 616 00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 1: and then cover her up. He had time with this 617 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,319 Speaker 1: body out there. He was comfortable with this area. He 618 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: knew the area and the m and where and how 619 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:13,320 Speaker 1: she was buried. That tells you that the killer was comfortable, 620 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,920 Speaker 1: not afraid of getting caught, had plenty of time to 621 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 1: do it, and of course was a male digging down 622 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 1: into that hard soil to cover her up thinking she 623 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:29,400 Speaker 1: would never be found. Back to Levi page Crime online 624 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:34,360 Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter, Janelle's adopted dad, Jim, was considered 625 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,439 Speaker 1: a suspect at the time. Was he cleared and will 626 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 1: he find himself back under scrutiny again? Levi, He was 627 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 1: considered a suspect. However, the police are not saying if 628 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,759 Speaker 1: he is still to this day considered a suspect. They're 629 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,400 Speaker 1: not giving any details one if they even have any suspects. 630 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,279 Speaker 1: I do know that there was a truck driver that 631 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 1: lived in the area that was going around bragging that 632 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,879 Speaker 1: he did this. The police wrote him off and said 633 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,759 Speaker 1: that he was someone that was just seeking attention. But 634 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,840 Speaker 1: I'm wondering if a truck driver fits the profile of 635 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,279 Speaker 1: someone that would be familiar with this area since they're 636 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 1: driving around a lot. What about it too, Karen starts 637 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 1: psychologists joining us out of Manhattan. I guess the dads 638 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,240 Speaker 1: some mom was out of state, has to just settle 639 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 1: in for the fact that he's going to be right 640 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,359 Speaker 1: over the coals again, right or wrong. I think that 641 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,880 Speaker 1: that might happen, depending upon what they financy. But what 642 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,840 Speaker 1: everyone is saying, if you pay attention, is that it's somebody. 643 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,319 Speaker 1: They believe it's somebody who's familiar with that area. And 644 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 1: I think that that's a really good point. You have 645 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 1: to find somebody who has a history of preying upon 646 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,120 Speaker 1: young girls the sexual offender, I really think that will 647 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 1: make a difference, and who is familiar with that area, 648 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,319 Speaker 1: and the dad seems to have an alibi, so I'm 649 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,359 Speaker 1: not sure that they would focus on you. To you, 650 00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,719 Speaker 1: Jo Scott, what are the odds investigators will track down 651 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 1: to well, I think that I think that the odds 652 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,919 Speaker 1: are going to rest upon how deep they dig into 653 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 1: sexual offenders. You know, I gotta tell you, I don't 654 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,360 Speaker 1: know if my colleague care and will agree with me 655 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,040 Speaker 1: on this, but this is what I think. If this 656 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,920 Speaker 1: individual has a proclivity for offending with little girls this 657 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,879 Speaker 1: age and is a violent offender, this will not be 658 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,839 Speaker 1: the only time he has done this. He has a 659 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,760 Speaker 1: desire within him to do harm to little children this age. 660 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,480 Speaker 1: I think that if you look at other cases with 661 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 1: people that are familiar with this specific area. I think 662 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:37,759 Speaker 1: that that's going to be key in back to what 663 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 1: Levi I was saying, he is this truck driver that 664 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,719 Speaker 1: he had mentioned, I'd revisit that because truck drivers would 665 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,840 Speaker 1: in fact have interest in or have knowledge of this area. 666 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,839 Speaker 1: Keep in mind, this area was under construction when all 667 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,239 Speaker 1: of this was taking place. You had people that were 668 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,760 Speaker 1: bringing supplies out there, you had people that were bringing 669 00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 1: heavy equipment out there. They're going to have specific knowledge 670 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 1: of it. And Man, I tell you what, I think 671 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,480 Speaker 1: that I would look really really hard at him and 672 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:08,319 Speaker 1: anybody in this particular community that is a sex offender. Yeah, 673 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,600 Speaker 1: a sex offender that just happens to know she's alone 674 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,719 Speaker 1: for those two hours. That feels like they have all 675 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:19,760 Speaker 1: the time in the world. We don't know any real 676 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:24,320 Speaker 1: timeline about when she was abducted. Our thoughts and prayers 677 00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:28,480 Speaker 1: with those that love Janelle Matthews as we wait for 678 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,840 Speaker 1: Justice two Unfold tipline nine seven zero three five fifty 679 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:37,000 Speaker 1: one hundred repeat nine seven zero three five one fifty 680 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 1: one hundred Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off Goodbye Friend,