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Speaker 1: meet ea podcast. You can't protect anything, so so raise

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Speaker 1: your left hand if you've shot a turkey so far

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Speaker 1: You guys, you're doing good, but only only well only

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Speaker 1: yo Johannes. What they what they call you today? Only

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Speaker 1: Johannes has a hand up, two hands up? Yeah, But Ruben,

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Speaker 1: you're going Morrell hunting night. It's like on right now

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Speaker 1: starting it's the Morrel harvest in the vicinity of Wartex

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Speaker 1: World headquarters is rocking. I'm getting there. And you got

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Speaker 1: like you got like a significant chunk of land you're

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Speaker 1: gonna look at tonight. Yeah, it's it's a pretty sizeable spot.

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Speaker 1: Did you have your left hand up minute ago? So

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Speaker 1: this is your this is your like inaugural trip out now, Ryan,

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Speaker 1: why haven't you how have you killed turkeys but not

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Speaker 1: I was in Atlanta last week. Ryan and I have

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Speaker 1: a good excuse. We were out of town we're like

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Speaker 1: a war. We're like a week back. So but you've

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Speaker 1: already done all kind of turkey hunt. Now, Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: was in Nebraska really early part of April for the

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Speaker 1: archery hunt, and so they have a Nebraska is a

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Speaker 1: separate turkey archery hunt they do. Yes, that's a good idea.

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Speaker 1: It is late March to April fifteen, and then it

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Speaker 1: transitions to good. That's such a good idea. It was

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Speaker 1: fantastic because they make you most states make you like, right,

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Speaker 1: they make you archers will be offended by this, but

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Speaker 1: they make you handicap yourself, right. And I only enjoy

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Speaker 1: bow hunting when I can't use the other thing. That's

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Speaker 1: then I'm out there and I'm like sitting there man, like, man,

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Speaker 1: if I had my gun, I would have got that thing.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember now, Ryan from when I lived

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Speaker 1: didn't even trenk like you couldn't even get into your tag. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: did you eat your tag? Supply up three birds? You

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Speaker 1: can shoot three birds in the state of Nebraska. But

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Speaker 1: if you didn't fill it, then you couldn't like use

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Speaker 1: that tag on the shotguns like archery only. Are they

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Speaker 1: still killing all kind of um turkeys in the fall

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Speaker 1: of the hunting mule deer in an area we could

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Speaker 1: kill turkeys in the fall I can't. They've ever killed one.

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Speaker 1: But I feel like like turkey populations are so high

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Speaker 1: he's like yeah, yeah, because you can't know if you

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Speaker 1: read that that Colonel Tom Kelly's book, Um, the Tenth Legion.

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Speaker 1: Have you guys ever heard of the Tenth Legion? Most read? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: tenth Legion. Yeah, who cares? So really, just that's it,

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Speaker 1: good clean calling the turkey in. I'm going back to

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Speaker 1: not saying I'm against it, and I'm not saying I

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Speaker 1: You could you could do like a like humble breaking, right,

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Speaker 1: right right, it might it might be uh, your honest.

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Speaker 1: So you got you hunted Montana, Ryan, two states, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Nebraska in Minnesota. So is that like, is that like

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Speaker 1: a normal thing? We just do all kinds of turkey hunting.

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Speaker 1: I try to. I tried to. And then you got what, like,

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Speaker 1: property back in Minnesota. And then a lot of public

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Speaker 1: land hunted all sorts of places in Nebraska now, And

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Speaker 1: does Nebraska have a good public land turkeys quite a

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Speaker 1: bit along the platte Get your on next maps and

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Speaker 1: hoping it up and it's anywhere that's blue. Really, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just wanted to smash it and send it back as

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00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 1: a warranty claim, then you would say, no, I think

424
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 1: we would, you know. Ultimately, like nobody really admits to that.

425
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 1: I don't know if we had that happen. Yes, but

426
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:00,959
Speaker 1: you can be kind of like saying before you can

427
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 1: kind of read like it kind of looks like this

428
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: thing went with a meat tenderizer, and so like you know,

429
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 1: but but kind of like, oh, yeah, I dropped it,

430
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, make sure you don't drop it

431
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 1: again a meat tenderizer. I missed that earlier because we

432
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: asked this question earlier during a tour and I was

433
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 1: I keep thinking, like, how did someone get a sculpt

434
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 1: through like that. You know the machine has a crank,

435
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 1: Like you guys are talking about the mallet different size. Yeah,

436
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 1: got it. When I go to mallet meat at home

437
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: with like a meat mallet, like, my kids get actually

438
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 1: upset something about they do not like, they do not

439
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 1: like that you're like taking a hammer and smacking the dinner.

440
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 1: I think the trick is you just need to let

441
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 1: them do it. But they come into there, they get

442
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 1: like it's like visibly upset. There's something about this is

443
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 1: very upset. It just looks too aggressive at that point. Oh,

444
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: you know the I got a bunch question for you guys.

445
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: So how many of you guys sculpes? You include the

446
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 1: sun shade on quite a few? Yeah, maybe half maybe

447
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,679
Speaker 1: half somewhere in that unity. And you guys use the

448
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: sun like leave it on some stuff. It totally depends

449
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 1: on what it is. Yeah, break that down. Like Yanni's

450
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 1: dad showed up moose Hunt with us and he had

451
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: his sun shade on. I remember just say I just

452
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 1: took it off, came with the sculpe. He's probably kind

453
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 1: of like you can't can't leave it at all. A

454
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:32,719
Speaker 1: good example is the range where a lot of us

455
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 1: shoot just north of here, like our range is facing

456
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: right into the sunset. So like if we don't if

457
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 1: there's a scope that we don't make a sunshade for

458
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna shoot it any time after I get

459
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: off work, but in the summer between five o'clock and

460
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 1: eight o'clock, like I bring a toilet paper tube and

461
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 1: tape it around the end of it, because you just can't. Yeah,

462
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 1: so you do hang onto it. Yeah, I have quite

463
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: a little pile of little sunshades somewhere. But yeah, I

464
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 1: have been in situations hunting where I was like really

465
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: wishing I had the sunshade, and then you got like

466
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: your buddy holding like a baseball hat, which is more difficulty,

467
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 1: Like no, no, no, how farther up you know, he

468
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: winds up being like four ft away trying to cast

469
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: a shadow, you know. Yeah, I think. I mean a

470
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: lot of customers will never come into a scenario where

471
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: they'll use one, but you put them in just the

472
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: right scenario and they will wish they had it. So

473
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: do any guys, like if you're out like Paul like

474
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: to say, you're out hunting doll sheet, for instance, did

475
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 1: you have your sunshade tucks in your pocket. No, no

476
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: sunshade on. So you didn't care. I didn't bring it

477
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: on that one. No, not that you know, not that

478
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,959
Speaker 1: it couldn't possibly of Oh yeah, you know if you're

479
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 1: just weighing, like the hassle of carrying it with the

480
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 1: likelihood of reading it, you know, and you've been there

481
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: to steve it's that that type of deal usually you've

482
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: got if if it is that bad, you got that

483
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 1: low sun angle or direct sun angle, you can you

484
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: can find something to shade it, you know, whether it's

485
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 1: a your jacket or someone with you, you can you

486
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: can cover it. But it doesn't happen all that often,

487
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: you know, things have to be just oriented right for

488
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 1: it to be an issue. Is horrible at all. And

489
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 1: then uh, moving on the next one. What is when

490
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: you when people call and ask you guys like, hey, man,

491
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 1: do I want to straight spot scover? Angled? Spots? Scope?

492
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: What do you tell him? I tell him angled all

493
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: the time. Ryan's a tall guy like myself. If you're

494
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: if you're tall, you should prefer angles. They just they

495
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: work better. I look at it like I do. The

496
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 1: majority of my spotting seated right, so and I'm I'm

497
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 1: usually looking I'm not down steep angles. You know, I

498
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 1: don't hunt the Brooks Range or anything like that. And

499
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 1: so you know, if i'm handlopermui hunting, and I'm usually

500
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 1: seated and for longer periods of time, so I can

501
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: like use my bone structure, lean over and just kind

502
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: of slump into myself and look through my spotting that

503
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 1: without having to have my head up and craning and

504
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: like poking around trying to look through it. So I

505
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 1: definitely prefer angled um, you know. And then when I

506
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: shoot with it, you know, when I'm on the range,

507
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,360
Speaker 1: I go prone with it. It's you can look through

508
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: it when it's angled, you know, I look down into

509
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: it when I'm on my shooting matt um. I do

510
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 1: tell people though, because a lot of folks will primarily

511
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: use it from the vehicle. You know, they're not going

512
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: to rock it out. Yeah, then you can't use angles,

513
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: you can't. And so I'll tell them that if they

514
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: are using it from from like a vehicle position, then

515
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: straight the way to go. And and if they're looking

516
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: at extreme downward angles, like extreme downward angles, straight the

517
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: way to go. What I found because I like the angle.

518
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: I started using the angle because, um, the late great

519
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: Duncan Gil Chris who wrote the book High among many

520
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: other classics. UM, he didn't carry a tripod. He just

521
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: liked to carry the and put it on his pack,

522
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: which I don't like to do, but he liked to

523
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: do it set it on his pack or set it

524
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: on a rolled up jacket or whatever. And um, and

525
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: that way you can lay it down and then kind

526
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: of like lay down on top of it and look

527
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: into it, which would be impossible with that strategy. So

528
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: when I started using them. But the drawback to him

529
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: is it takes you a lot longer to find what

530
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: the hell it is you're looking at can until you

531
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: unless you get like kind of good at You guys

532
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: used to make a tube that like I used to

533
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: have a tube that sat on the side of that

534
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: thing aim and tube, you guys called it. I think

535
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: that might have been a technical term, aim and tube.

536
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: What happened to those? We have graded the razors and

537
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: o their new bodies, so you can't they don't have

538
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: an aim or you can call the thing that hangs

539
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: up on the on your backpack true, that's true. The

540
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: viper vipers have a section of pick a tinny rail

541
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: that you can mount the little red dot to. Oh,

542
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: is that what that's for? Yeah, I was looking at that. Yeah.

543
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: The other thing, like the way I always explain it

544
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: to people is when they're deciding between angle and straight.

545
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: First off, no tripod is tall enough where if you're

546
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: using it for extreme up angle where you're gonna get

547
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: it above your head, right, no tripod is tall enough.

548
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: The other thing is if you have people that are

549
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: like if you're using it for observation or hunting, and

550
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: you're standing and you have people that are different heights,

551
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: Like you've got one guy that's five five and one

552
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: guy at six ft and one guy at six five.

553
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: A straight spotting scope is gonna have to be perfectly

554
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: in line between the person's eye and the and the

555
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: target that they're trying to see. So your guy that's

556
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: taller is going to have to squat down to see it,

557
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: and he's gonna become he's gonna come very shaky and

558
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: very fatigued after an amount of time. The guy that's shorter,

559
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: the five ft five guy, he's not even gonna be

560
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: able to use it because he's just not tall enough.

561
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: So they're gonna have to lower it to him and

562
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: then rEFInd whatever they're looking at. An angle tripod or

563
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: an angle spotter, you could set at a at the

564
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: height where the shortest guy can use it, and the

565
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: other two guys all they have to do is bend

566
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: their head, you know, bend their neck down. So if

567
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 1: you're if you're using in one spotter from multiple people,

568
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: and angled is really the only way to go. Yeah, definitely.

569
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: What I like. The only thing I like about the

570
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: straits is I can find something in my knockers. And

571
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure I could do this with the this this

572
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: isn't even particular to straights, not I think about it.

573
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: I can find something in my knockers, pull them off,

574
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: put my scope on and it's dead on. But that's

575
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: not particular to the straight. You could calibrate. You can

576
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: calibrate anything now. Oh no, No, here's what I'm trying

577
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: to say. Yeah, that is something I do like. I

578
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: caliber like I'll find something in the center in my binoculars, whatever,

579
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: some object a few hundred yards away. Then I take

580
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: my spotting scope and put it on the tripod and

581
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: fidget with the mounting plate and retighten it so that

582
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: I know that when I take my binoculars down and

583
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: put my spotting and scope on there, aiming at the

584
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: exact same spot. The reason straits work better there is

585
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: because you're when you're looking through the binals. It's that direct, right.

586
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: I was going to say basic orientation, So you don't

587
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: need to move your you don't need to move your

588
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: like because if not, you do it and then you

589
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: got to adjust and get where you can get that done.

590
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: But I still like the angle. Do you sell more

591
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: angle or more straight? Surprisingly, I think it's pretty equal.

592
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty close split. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I

593
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: remember asking that question last year, just because you know,

594
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: we're always trying to decide, you know, what do you

595
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: make more of? And I believe I was surprised to

596
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: hear that it's very similar. Which you take on that,

597
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: Mark Man, I agree with everything those guys are saying

598
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: as far as the benefits of both, I mean, they

599
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,719
Speaker 1: both have a home, you know, and depends on your application,

600
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: but overall, at least personally, I mean, an angled to

601
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: me is just way more versatile. I mean, oftentimes you're

602
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: hunting in a group, you know, and like you said,

603
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: you know, you spot something you want to bring your

604
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: buddy over to look at it. You know, he doesn't

605
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: have to adjust the tripod or you might lose the

606
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: subject or you know, stand on their tippy toes or

607
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: crouched down unnecessarily. UM, I just think overall more versatile.

608
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: Market made a really good point about the new um

609
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: keylical focus razors the straits, specifically pointing out his um

610
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: the side bag on his Kafar root pack and how

611
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: this new spotting scope in this new form factor. I mean,

612
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: it looks like a pirate telescope. It is perfectly straight,

613
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: so there's no like little s shape in there. It

614
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: fits really nice. So that's one thing. The packability of

615
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: a is arguably you know better. UM so they you know,

616
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: something to weigh in and consider. You know, overall, I'd

617
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: still be all about the angle. But something think about

618
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: now this dude, there's there's a dude wondering. I can't

619
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: tell it was the tappy. He's wondering, what's the best

620
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: general purpose Western spot and scope? If big, if to

621
00:33:55,840 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: qualify you only have money to purchase just one, that's

622
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: a that's a question. We get a lot. I'm sure

623
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: yeah it is. Um, I guess I'll weigh in on

624
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 1: this first. And what I'll tell anybody when they're looking

625
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: at a spotting scope because they're so unforgiving, is the

626
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: first priority on your list is optical quality. So if

627
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: it all possible, move yourself into the razor level, and

628
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: even at the cost of magnification. So in looking at this,

629
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: I want an image that's as clear, bright and sharp

630
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: as possible with the spotting scope, So I will sacrifice magnification,

631
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: go down and constant size and weight and get something

632
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: like even the eleven to thirty three razor. If you're

633
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: on a budget, it's a it's a seven spotting scope,

634
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: and it is phenomenal that it's a powerhouse and it's

635
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: twenty five and it's the size of a soda bottle

636
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,919
Speaker 1: um so you can you can play the affordable field

637
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 1: there and do that. A lot of people are hesitant

638
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 1: because of the magnification. I think they kind of shy

639
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: away from it. But really, when I'm most of the time,

640
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: I'm turning my magnification down. Anyways, I'm around forty, you know,

641
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 1: because of mirage and how forgiving the image kids. So

642
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: I carry around a huge spotting scope and a tripod

643
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: to to tout it and to to support it when

644
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: you can get away with twenty five ounces and something

645
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: that we can run on like our some of SSP

646
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: have a package at ways about two and a half

647
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: three pounds total. Um, so I'm a I'm a huge

648
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: fan of that little thing. Overall, I think that probably

649
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: the sixty five millimeter spotters are a little more versatile. Maybe, well, yeah,

650
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: that's a that's a good meddal ground. Look at there.

651
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: If you're gonna do to me, if you're gonna do

652
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: one to do it all, you're like, I want one,

653
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: you know, And there's no one magic bullet or magic fix, right,

654
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: I mean certain, there's always give and take. But if

655
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna get one to do it all where you're like, yep,

656
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: I don't mind packing it up the mountain, it's not

657
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: you know, or or it fits in my pack nicely.

658
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: And like the sixty five is definitely super versial, like

659
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: like Ryan said, Um, it's just just a really nice,

660
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: nice middle ground that's super versatile. And yeah, I just

661
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: don't spend that much time at sixty. No, I only

662
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: use mine, I use my I don't generally I do

663
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: not use mind to find game anyway, Right, I used

664
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: to give something like a detailed stink guy after I've

665
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: already found it with my knockers now, and then I

666
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: might like it might be some little spot, some little

667
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: dark little pocket that I get real curious about, you know,

668
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: and I want to take a game er in there.

669
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: But generally it's like I've already found it, and I

670
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: want to look at it real careful to assess like legality,

671
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: you know, like if you're hunting moose, like does it

672
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: have four brow times? Which two miles away does it

673
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: have four brow times? Is like it's a question that

674
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: you could spend hours trying to solve, right, or like

675
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: is a sheep full curl? That's like a thing you

676
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: could spend days arguing about whether that thing is full

677
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: curl or with your friends. So it's like when I'm

678
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: doing that, I'm doing like very detailed stuff. When I'm

679
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: doing very detailed stuff, I find that you're not cranking

680
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: the magnification all the way up anyways, because again, like

681
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: issues like mirage and other things, you wind up kind

682
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: of playing around in the middle ground where you get

683
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: like your crispmas, like you said, you're most like forgiving

684
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: crisp image, and um, yeah, every every every day is

685
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: different when you're doing that. You know, how high can

686
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:30,280
Speaker 1: you run that scoope angle throughout the day? Right the minute?

687
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: Like it's like there's a time in the morning when

688
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 1: everything's like you've got good light and it's still real cold,

689
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: and everything is just beautiful, and then all of a

690
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,240
Speaker 1: sudden that sun comes. You start feeling on your shoulders

691
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: and you look out your spots. It looks like you're

692
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: looking down a desert highway. Yeah, then it just then

693
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,879
Speaker 1: it just goes out the window. Man, can you guys

694
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: all wait on that though? I'd like to know, is

695
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: there anybody at the table that will actually like glass

696
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: with their spotter very very occasionally? But you know, I

697
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: done it for years and years and years, and it's

698
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: just really tough to do that. You know, it's hard

699
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: to stay behind the spotter for a very long period

700
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: of time you're looking through a single barrel. Um, it's

701
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,280
Speaker 1: just you get more eyes trained, you're gonna get tired,

702
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: You're gonna you're gonna want to rest your eyes more often.

703
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: So there's no doubt. I mean, you're way more efficient

704
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: behind a binol than you are a spotter. But there's

705
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: every now and then. I mean, you you get some

706
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: situation where just due to geography or whatever it is,

707
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 1: you can't get remotely close to an area, and you know,

708
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 1: so you I mean, it's worth it. It could happen

709
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 1: that you might spend a day trying to glass some

710
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:41,399
Speaker 1: very distant face, primarily using a spot if you try

711
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: to avoid that, if you can, if it's so far

712
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 1: away that you can take in when you're talking about

713
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: distances where you're actually taking in a considerable chunk of

714
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: ground through the image, it's cool, you know, because like

715
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: you can watch a whole basin or something because it's

716
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: so far away. Yeah, it's sort of the picture looks

717
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: a little more like what you see in in the

718
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 1: buyo at that point. But I fatigue is a big thing, man,

719
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: It's huge. I will get like if if we're if

720
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: we're up somewhere and just like glass and all day.

721
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: By the end of the day, I get where um yeah,

722
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: I get right, just close my eyes for a while.

723
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: It's just hard to focus, if you like, if you're

724
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: actually spending like eight days on many levels, one just

725
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 1: your posture right that you don't realize, you know, how

726
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: much you move until you're sitting there where you can't

727
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 1: move your head. It just is taxing, just like even

728
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: more taxing when you're trying to do it with one eyeball,

729
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: which is not how you're you can you can always

730
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: tell in the field when you get out with guys

731
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 1: instead of spent a lot of time glassing and looking.

732
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: And you watch how carefully a guy usually will sort

733
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: of set up his position before he's glassing. I mean

734
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: the seat angle and your place to rest your neck

735
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 1: back and and you know, a shade and a cover,

736
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 1: you know, rather than just to PLoP them down and

737
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,879
Speaker 1: sitting there behind it. And then like you say, you're

738
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 1: you know, no time flat. You've got a sore back

739
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: and a sore neck and you're you're stretching. But if

740
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: you can really get yourself comfortable and make you know,

741
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: you'll you'll spend a lot more time. Yeah. When I

742
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 1: crawl up into a good spot, man, I'm in there

743
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 1: like kicking rocks out around later. So man, it's like

744
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 1: we're making a like making a bed up there exactly. Uh, Paul,

745
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,720
Speaker 1: explain explain for me. This is something that I've actually

746
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: had to call you to ask you about, Uh, explain

747
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,280
Speaker 1: like what what what makes the scope suitable for twenty

748
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: two is and BB guns and whatnot air guns and

749
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: not in like I'm referring specifically, like how how fixed

750
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: parallax scopes, like, just explain that whole deal. Well, what

751
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: what you're mostly There's a couple of things going on there.

752
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: I think what you're mostly talking about is is a

753
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: sculpe that's going to be used specifically for stuff like

754
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: twenty two and are Again, one of the first things

755
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 1: you run into is you're you're you're just not using

756
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: it at the same distances that you'd be using a

757
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: centerfire rifle. So when one of the things that happens

758
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: is the focus on the scope is set into a

759
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: closer point, usually fifty yards, whereas a rifle scope that's

760
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: set up for centerfire use, but game hunting if it's

761
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: if it's non adjustable, it'll be set out to a

762
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: hundred yard focus point. And then many of those scopes

763
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:30,240
Speaker 1: are also going to have a separate adjustable focus aside

764
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: focus or an a O that when you talk about

765
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 1: focus points somewhere like the parallax adjustment, well, focusing focus

766
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: on parallax tie in together at each other. If if

767
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: if a rifle scope is focused perfectly, there will be

768
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: no parallax. Yeah, so it's you know, those those two

769
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: are joined at the hip. Now when correct me if

770
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: I'm wrong here. When Paul thought about parallax, be like,

771
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:58,720
Speaker 1: if you're looking through a scope and you move your head,

772
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: it's like picture that you're like staring through a scope. Yeah,

773
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: one I look at your scope and you move your

774
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:08,720
Speaker 1: head around in circles. Does do the cross hairs appear

775
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: to move on the target with parallax induced? Yeah, that's

776
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: what you're trying to avoid. So when you have a

777
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 1: side dialing on your scope and you're setting the distance there,

778
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 1: you're reducing at that distance, you're reducing the chances that

779
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: your head movement is going to cause, Yeah, the cross

780
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: hairs to appear to move around the target. You can

781
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: eliminate that with that focus because you can be slightly

782
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: off like you could be you could your head could

783
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: be slightly left, right up down, and as long as

784
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: the cross hairs around there Actually on one way I

785
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: drew this up. I tried to explain to someone one

786
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: time or in writing, is like if you're in the

787
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: passenger see of the car and you're looking at the

788
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 1: speedometer from the passenger seat, right, you get like a

789
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: different reading that the needle seems to be covering a

790
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: different number than it does if the drivers from the

791
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: driver's perspectives. Yeah, that's exactly how we explain it. When

792
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 1: we're on phoning with the customer, and you know, you

793
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: have your eye, you have the needle, and then you

794
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: have the actual spiedometer, and that's the same as your eye,

795
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: the radical and the image. Right, So the guy the

796
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: passenger looks over and he's like, hey, where are we

797
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: Where are we only going fifty five? And you're like,

798
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: we're going sixty from my angle. So yeah, and you know,

799
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: when you have a way to think about that, when

800
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: you have a scope that has an adjustable focus to

801
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: it aside focus or nail effectively to sort of meld

802
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: those those two images together. When you tune that side focus,

803
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: what you're doing is you're effectively going back to that

804
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 1: spedometer analogy. You're slide the back plate of the spiedometer

805
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: then would slide up until it's lapping the needle. And

806
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: then if you think if those two are on the

807
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: exact same plane, then the passenger is going to see

808
00:43:55,320 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 1: exactly the same reading of the good word that you know,

809
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: what's your job title game? Paul has been here two

810
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 1: halfway through twenty two. That's why I finally put a

811
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: parallax um on my spinometer. Yes, argue with your passages

812
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:24,760
Speaker 1: all the time, damn, But so a scope that's rigged

813
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: up for twenty two will have oftentimes fixed fifty yard

814
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: focus right right. And the reason that the reason that

815
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: all it may not be immediately apparent to listeners is

816
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,760
Speaker 1: that any when you're looking at an object through an optic,

817
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 1: a rifle scope or a spot or whatever, it is

818
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: the distance that that object is away from the objective

819
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: lens that that affects the internal the focal distance inside

820
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: that scope. So that in the focal distance of the

821
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: scope is where that small focused image comes down. We

822
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: just talked about moving that with a with that side focus.

823
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,760
Speaker 1: So that's that's why when you have a near object

824
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 1: or a far object, that focal length inside the scope

825
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 1: becomes very very slightly shorter, longer, and it and and

826
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: it walks off of that slice that plane in the

827
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: scope where the radical is sitting at. And when you

828
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: can when you can adjust that side focus you can

829
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: effectively you can overlay. You can always overlay those two

830
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 1: on that same plane, is why that works. Yeah, So

831
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: do people make like specific like do people make these

832
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,959
Speaker 1: lines of sculpes that are meant for rim fire, meant

833
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: for like twenty two small game hunting? Right, there are

834
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: some you know that that where that focal length that

835
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: focus is set at. That's one of the most common

836
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: ways of scope would be distinguished for that just recognizing

837
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 1: the fact that it's going to be used at shorter distances.

838
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: There are other things, you know, the sometimes the rustpent

839
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: range that might be available on a side focus will

840
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: come in very close, you know, maybe ten yards on

841
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: a scope designed that type of where you're probably not

842
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: generally shooting deer at ten yards away, or if you are,

843
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,240
Speaker 1: you're not worried about You're not worried about to find details.

844
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: You're not too worried about it. Yeah, you're not worried about.

845
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 1: Way from the shop, what do you got you and

846
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 1: you got questions? Yeah, I got a question. Well, I

847
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: was looking through the questions and I'd like to This

848
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: comes back to Turkey as a little bit. Eric uh

849
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: West ask if we can speak to the advantages disadvantages

850
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,240
Speaker 1: of using red dot scopes versus low powered scopes versus

851
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: no scope on turkey shotguns. An example follow up shots

852
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,720
Speaker 1: with a low power scope in Pede's target Acquisition battery

853
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: running out on red dots, lens, flair, et cetera. From

854
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: one from a gun standpoint, I think a lot of

855
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 1: people take for granted that the shotguns a shotgun, and

856
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: so they think, you know, you're gonna shoot this big

857
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 1: pattern out there and hit whatever you want. So they

858
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: go down to the the local sporting and store and

859
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: they pick up a turkey choke of X y Z

860
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: manufacturer in the closest box of turkey loads they can get.

861
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: UM has to say extreme on the box right, Yes, yeah,

862
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: I don't anticipated troubles well and you don't want it.

863
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: That's why they make the extreme shells. So so what

864
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: what we found, um a lot is that a lot

865
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: of shotguns have a lot of misalignments that you you

866
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't expect to be there. You just don't think intuitively

867
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: that a shotguns I would say, I would say that

868
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: there are some misalignments in most shotguns. Absolutely absolutely, you're

869
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: surprised when you take a turkey load and shoot out

870
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 1: of a shotgun. You always like, holy cow, yep, it's

871
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 1: hitting exactly, and so rarely do we have this ideal.

872
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: We'll call it a sixty forty split of our pattern

873
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: or or maybe like a seventy thirty split um of

874
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: your pattern to to what you're looking at. So I

875
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: think the biggest advantage to something like a red dot

876
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: or a scope of low powered variable is being able

877
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: to place the pattern if you will, where you want it.

878
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: So like I I before I started hunting with with

879
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 1: a red dot or a variable power scope, which I

880
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 1: hunt with both. Um, I missed a turkey really close

881
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: because the gun shot remarkably lower than my bead, So

882
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: like my forty yard pattern was like eight inches below

883
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: my point of aim, and I missed this turkey at

884
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: like breathing distance. If I'd have had like a spear,

885
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: I would have had that turkey. And I literally shot

886
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,760
Speaker 1: under his head and well that would be his neck.

887
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,240
Speaker 1: Well he was, he was like side. I literally shot

888
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: under his head and I couldn't believe it, and so

889
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 1: then I said, enough is enough. And maybe you know,

890
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: there's some other things I could have done there to

891
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: make that turkey happen. But um, so I did. I

892
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: switched to a low powered variable at that point in time,

893
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: and and um, you can you know, zero your pattern

894
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: just like you would your rifle scope. And you know,

895
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: if if you've got guys that are are thinking about,

896
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,879
Speaker 1: you know, taking a thirty five or forty five yard shot,

897
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: which in reality is a long shot. Yeah, people talk

898
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: about like crazy shots on turkeys, but most if you

899
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 1: pace off most turkeys that you shoot, you're not You're

900
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 1: shooting that far would bet or end. And and if

901
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: you're thinking about that, your pattern placement, like it relative

902
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: to your your sighting device, whether it's a beat or

903
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: a red dot or an optic, because it could be

904
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: remarkably different. So having the red dot in the scope

905
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: on there helps you kind of pick that spot out.

906
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,479
Speaker 1: One other thing too, is that, like I think number one,

907
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: people think that with shotguns, gravity doesn't apply, right, You

908
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: just think that it just goes out and whatever disperse

909
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: my pellets actually leaving a vacuum, right. Yeah, so's so

910
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: a lot of you know that allows you to actually

911
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 1: like you know, adjust for that for a longer range shot.

912
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,720
Speaker 1: And the other thing is that you know turkey load

913
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: you know, one three quarter ounce or two ounce turkey

914
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,399
Speaker 1: load shoots a lot differently than you know, a one

915
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: ounce double a trap load, and so your shotgun might

916
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 1: shoot that trapload like perfectly where your bead is, and

917
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: you go out and you throw out this load that's

918
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,959
Speaker 1: twice as big with much bigger pellets, and it's off

919
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: to the right and high. So I actually like a

920
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: low power variable, like a wonderful or something like that.

921
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: It allows me to not see my bead at all,

922
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: Like I can zoom it up a little bit and

923
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: then I don't even like that's not distracting me whatsoever.

924
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 1: So I know where it hits. I know where my

925
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: pattern hits in reference to the radical rather than rather

926
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: than you know, focusing only on the bead, because a

927
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: bead is really hard to if you if your pattern

928
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 1: is low and you have a bead, well, how do

929
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: you know where you're covering? Up? Right? I think I'm

930
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 1: I think I'm high enough, But in reality you might

931
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: be a foot over the bird when you break the

932
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 1: shot and your shot goes completely over the time. So

933
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: that's the that's my first thing. I almost almost done here.

934
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,399
Speaker 1: The second thing is a low light like you can

935
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: use obviously you can use fiber optics stuff. But if

936
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: you have you know, either a red daughter a low

937
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: power variable, it just allows you to place your shot

938
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: much better in low light, which is a lot of

939
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: the time where we're shooting birds at And I thought

940
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: about I thought about it. I think about all the time.

941
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: I was thinking about it today in fact. But um still, man,

942
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: I have never shot off anything but like a bead

943
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 1: and a you know, just the beat Trusty eight seven.

944
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: But I've only ever I've never I don't know how

945
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: it sounds like it sounds like old boardman over here

946
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: never missed a turkey. I've never made that plane. Now

947
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: I have missed one. But I do see the limitations

948
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: of what I expect it will happen at some point.

949
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 1: And I should clarify I did hit one one time

950
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 1: that fell over and got him and flew away. So

951
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: that's kind of like you weren't using that extreme shot. No,

952
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 1: I didn't have. But you're not a thing that I

953
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: do do, And I feel like it might just be

954
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: all in my head. As I do like those blends, man, yeah,

955
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: but I just feel like I like them. I don't

956
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: know if I like them. I don't have like empirical

957
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,399
Speaker 1: reasons to like two by four you know, the four

958
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 1: or five six you don't, Yeah, I use those blend loads,

959
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: but I haven't I'm going to break up a shotgun

960
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: and start. I would like to use the scope sometime.

961
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,879
Speaker 1: I just thought to shoot off the you know, I'm

962
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: gonna throw at one other quick advantage or potential advantage

963
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: of the red dot. And not that they're they're not

964
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 1: just for kids, but if you're introducing a youth to

965
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: turkey hunting, um, I was just gonna say the same.

966
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: And you don't want to wound it up turkeys. Yeah,

967
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: I mean, they're just they're gonna be able to find

968
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: that dot, put it where it needs to go. I

969
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 1: mean bearing down on a shotgun or learning how to

970
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 1: do that, you know, can I think can be difficult

971
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 1: at times. And I think it just really simplifies that

972
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 1: they can still acquire the target easily because it is

973
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: a one x optic um but it's essentially, you know,

974
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: essentially parallax free. And they you know, so if they

975
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: do have maybe not the best head placement, as long

976
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: as the dot is on that turkey's head or on

977
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: his wattles, you know, the it becomes such so second

978
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: nature to like put the bead on the rib and

979
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 1: know what the proper you know, site picture is. I mean,

980
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: if you've been shooting your wholda and like the other

981
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 1: day with Helen Show, Yeah yeah, yeah, I have to

982
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: coupe people missing turkeys the spring. Yeah well what yeah,

983
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 1: but Helen was just shooting a target. Just we're just

984
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: practicing a little bit, you know, getting comfortable. I think

985
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: we had the target. It's not a twenty five or

986
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: thirty yards you know, and uh sitting down, you know,

987
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,720
Speaker 1: a nice solid rest her first shot, not a pellet

988
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: on a two by two, you know, because she's just

989
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 1: putting the bead. We're not worrying about the beads placement

990
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: relative to the rest of the barrel. Sure, you know,

991
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,879
Speaker 1: but I've even gone as far to explain it's like, yeah,

992
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 1: the ramp has to not be there. It should be

993
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 1: just a line and then the beads on top of it,

994
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 1: you know, and even you know, bury it just slightly,

995
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:00,959
Speaker 1: you know, maybe even and you know, do six o'clock hold,

996
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: you know, you can see the whole target above the

997
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 1: bead still and still shout out completely over it. Then

998
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 1: we went back and said, all right, bury that beat

999
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: even a little bit more like actually start to lose

1000
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 1: the bottom third of the bead when you're looking down it.

1001
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: And she smoked it was perfect. But I mean, it's

1002
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: just like but then went on to miss a turkey Helen,

1003
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,839
Speaker 1: not hella her her boyfriend did. But I think that's

1004
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: that's your point, also getting a new hunter to remember

1005
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: that when sounds like thunder the ground shaking, its tough.

1006
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,919
Speaker 1: It can be really tough. Yeah, I should. I don't

1007
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 1: know why I don't have I don't even have a

1008
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: I don't know why I haven't see I haven't because

1009
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 1: what the guy said in the question is about like

1010
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: batteries running out the whole technology, But the scope doesn't

1011
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: do that. No, you're right, I mean how many? I

1012
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: mean all ever? You know, I don't scope all the

1013
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: time I hunt. I put scopes on rifles through far

1014
00:54:56,400 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 1: more extreme environments than you would ever encounter hunting turkey.

1015
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 1: M how long will a battery last on one of

1016
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,320
Speaker 1: these red dots? You just leave it on forget about it.

1017
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: Most have auto offs, so that's kind of a handy feature.

1018
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: So you know, the I think the spark too, is

1019
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 1: the ideal dot for the turkey gunner if you will.

1020
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 1: You can mount it pretty low, so you don't have

1021
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,320
Speaker 1: to get a cheek piece on the gun or like

1022
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:26,320
Speaker 1: an elevated cheek piece, and you should expect three to

1023
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 1: fives a battery out of it. A lot of turkey onunts,

1024
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 1: there's a lot of hunts. Uh. So two m a

1025
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 1: dot it's just perfect for that covers up a gobbler's

1026
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 1: head just right. Even a strike fire to green, you know,

1027
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: because a lot of people have have a like a

1028
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 1: color blindness issue, and so they'll have to run a

1029
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: green a green red dot. That's interesting and so like

1030
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,919
Speaker 1: a green red dot, yeah, green red dot, yeah, green

1031
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: dot site. Um, the strike fire two has got the

1032
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 1: same battery life roughly, and the only downside of that

1033
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: is you have to mount him a little bit higher.

1034
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 1: But even so, I mean age of the battery once

1035
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 1: a year. It's it's it wouldn't be any worse than

1036
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 1: like mounting a regular rifle scope either, just sort of

1037
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 1: a similar to that. No, there's a couple of things

1038
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: to be clarified here, because I think there's confusion when

1039
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 1: people here red dot. So in many states, if not most, Um,

1040
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: you can't hunt with a firearm that projects light. So

1041
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 1: they're not talking about the thing, the thing that casts out.

1042
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 1: You know, what do you call those kind of things

1043
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 1: laser sights. It's not like a thing that casts out,

1044
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,760
Speaker 1: like puts a red dot on the turkey through a laser.

1045
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 1: It's just like, instead of looking into a scope, it's

1046
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: it's slightly different this but instead of looking through the

1047
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:42,839
Speaker 1: scope and seeing like the cross hairs, you're looking through

1048
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: the scope and seeing a red light. You're seeing a

1049
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,399
Speaker 1: reflection of of an LED, whether it be red or green,

1050
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 1: that comes off of you know. The l e ed

1051
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 1: is planted in the bottom of the tube or on

1052
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: the side of the tube, and it points at the objective,

1053
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 1: which is basically a parabolic lens, so it's set at

1054
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 1: an angle so that no matter where you move your

1055
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 1: head up and down, left to right, it kind of

1056
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:07,919
Speaker 1: goes back to a mark set about them being parallax free,

1057
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 1: that dot actually looks like it's following you when you

1058
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 1: move your head, so it's following, it's tracking up and

1059
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 1: down left to right as you move your head. And

1060
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: that's not a laser sight. That's just a little little

1061
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: LED that's being reflected. Yeah, but there are even some

1062
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 1: states where you can't use that for big game at

1063
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 1: least I don't if they reg I don't know if

1064
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: they regulated on turkeys. I don't know about the Midwest.

1065
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: But no, bad, I can't have any like any it

1066
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: takes a battery on your bow or on your gun

1067
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: for big game is sometimes illegal. So you do gotta

1068
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: check into that stuff. Yeah. Or muzzleloading too, That's one

1069
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 1: of those weird things where is different because like states

1070
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: defined muzzleloading equipment differently, and and and some you can't

1071
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: use any any kind of anything with any magnification, anything

1072
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 1: with any kind of electronics on it. It just depends

1073
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 1: on how much they're trying to cripple you cripple efficacy

1074
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: out your is loader. Now here's a good question. It's

1075
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 1: going to be our last one. What this is a

1076
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: tricky question. What standard of accuracy should first time hunters

1077
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: achieve before heading out? It's a tough and anyone to

1078
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 1: where they're shooting and what they're hunting. Yeah, when I've

1079
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: told it a thousand times. When I was a kid,

1080
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: the standard of accuracy was that my old man would

1081
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: take a milk jug full of water and march it

1082
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: across Eugene Gron's yard to the tree line and set

1083
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 1: that milk jug, and set that milk jug on the stump,

1084
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: and then you would take in my case, my lever

1085
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 1: Action thirty two special Winchester Model ninety four the peep

1086
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 1: site and you would take that and if you could

1087
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 1: hit the milk jug, you were ready to rock. And

1088
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 1: you couldn't tell where you hit the milk jug anyways,

1089
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 1: because it will blow up when you hit it because

1090
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 1: it's full of water. I think that my old man

1091
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 1: still adheres to that. And it was like you were

1092
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 1: ready to rock. That is a minute of jug, a

1093
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 1: minute of jug accuracy. But to Paul's point, consider where

1094
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 1: we were hunting. We're hunting in like like Michigan brush country,

1095
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:17,959
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, if you took a long poke,

1096
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 1: it was because you were taking a long poke across

1097
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: a small field. It would be like a long poke.

1098
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 1: But most of deer um the first quite a number

1099
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 1: of deer I shot, I shot within one yards. You know.

1100
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 1: It's just like because there's just the kind of stuff

1101
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 1: you're hunting. You can shake hands at he's deer. So

1102
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 1: there it was fine. In other situations, Um, it just differs.

1103
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 1: But I think that like, here's a good way to

1104
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 1: put it from and everybody has their own definition. I

1105
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:50,919
Speaker 1: don't think that that when you're shooting at big game,

1106
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 1: I don't think there should ever be a sort of

1107
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 1: like let me see if I can hit it. I

1108
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 1: think if you rule out the idea that when you

1109
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 1: take a shot you're curious about what will happen when

1110
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 1: you shoot, like that's a bad shot. Absolutely, I think

1111
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 1: that's the perfect barometer. If you're like, holy, I hit it,

1112
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:12,919
Speaker 1: I would say you just took a shot you should

1113
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 1: not have taken. In this case, it worked out in

1114
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 1: your favorite but you should have not have registered so

1115
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 1: you could register excitement pleasure, but you should I be

1116
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 1: registering surprise when you hit something right that's out of

1117
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:29,479
Speaker 1: your range of accuracy, if you have like some doubt,

1118
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 1: you know. But now I think it's like really difficult

1119
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 1: to define. I think I think what you could do

1120
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: is you could you could you could pick whatever game

1121
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 1: animals you're hunting and sort of look at you know,

1122
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 1: what a typical diameter and a vital zone might be,

1123
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 1: whether it's four inches or six inches, and and you know,

1124
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 1: use that as your limitation at whatever distance you can

1125
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 1: still keep those in that vital zone that that that

1126
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 1: could be a fair estimation of your sort of max. No,

1127
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 1: that's good. That's good. Like how big is like if

1128
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 1: you're going hunting antelope, Like, how big is that circle? Pick?

1129
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 1: Pick a diameter? It's not that big, No, it's not.

1130
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 1: It's probably smaller than most people would think it would be.

1131
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 1: So if you're gonna go hunt antelope and you're thinking that,

1132
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:18,479
Speaker 1: you know, oh yeah, I'm good at three or four yards, okay,

1133
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 1: then you should be able to go to the range

1134
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 1: and with the equipment you're hunting with, not off a bench,

1135
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 1: but with the stuff you're carrying with you in the field,

1136
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 1: and in the typical method that you might be shooting

1137
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 1: off a pack or sitting or whatever it you on

1138
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 1: that not knuckled down hard behind the bench with a salad,

1139
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 1: sand bags and all that. And then you go out

1140
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 1: and you can put nine out of ten shots into

1141
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 1: that six inch circle at your shooting distance, then you

1142
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 1: could probably you could argue that you did your due dilgence. Now,

1143
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 1: of course, you're also you know, you got issues of that.

1144
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 1: You're excited and messed up your buddies. Shoo, shoot shot, Shoot,

1145
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 1: shoot when you're not ready to shoot, which tends to

1146
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 1: rattle people. Myself included, um, and all these things you

1147
01:01:56,360 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 1: can't factor. All right, Mark, you got any concluders, man,

1148
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 1: I think we covered some good stuff. You know. Um.

1149
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 1: My usual concluding thought when it comes to optics is

1150
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 1: they're about the most important thing you can carry in

1151
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 1: the field. I think that was my same concluding thought

1152
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 1: last time. And I'm not trying to sell optics, but

1153
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 1: I heard it, Uh, I can't remember how it went. Now.

1154
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 1: Some guys like, if you had a thousand dollars to

1155
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 1: spend on a rifle, what would you buy? And the

1156
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 1: guy's answer was why I spend nine on my scope? Yea,

1157
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 1: when I take my last hundred bucks to get a rifle.

1158
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 1: It was something to that effect. I've got an additional

1159
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 1: concluding thought too. If you were talking about spotting scopes

1160
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 1: and stuff, if you haven't been tripod glassing with your binoculars,

1161
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 1: startart doing it, Yeah, change your life. Correct that I

1162
01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 1: was going to do that for my concluding thought. The

1163
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 1: acting you'll start glassing up quail at five yards away

1164
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 1: will convince you that it's the way to go. You

1165
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 1: don't realize how much that stuff is moving, like and

1166
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 1: when you're glassing, a lot of what you're seeing is movement,

1167
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 1: and a lot of movement gets camouflaged by your own movement.

1168
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 1: Johnny Concluder, we got the full tour of the Vortex

1169
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 1: factory today and I just want to say that I

1170
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 1: learned that I don't know shia about what it takes

1171
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 1: to build optics. I know a little bit now, but

1172
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 1: like when you actually see what goes into it, and

1173
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 1: like the scientists that are being employed are building these things,

1174
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 1: you're like, wow, I had no idea, like so so yeah,

1175
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 1: the machin dudes are impressive guys. Man. Yeah, they start

1176
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 1: talking like whoa, whoa hold on now what you need it?

1177
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 1: You mean to tell me, Oh, we covered a lot

1178
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 1: of great stuff. Check out check out an optic for

1179
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 1: your turkey gun. I mean, as simple as it sounds,

1180
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 1: I think for a lot of people it will really increase.

1181
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 1: You see your odds of of bagging a bird. But

1182
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 1: you guys don't make next year, you don't make a

1183
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 1: thing called like the turkey Slayer or something like that. Well, no,

1184
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 1: we're trying to in many of our optics. But yeah,

1185
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 1: the extreme version, um, give one of our guys a

1186
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 1: call Ryan, myself, Paul Scott, you know Mark, any of

1187
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:22,919
Speaker 1: us would be happy to chat with you about. Yeah,

1188
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 1: that's Mike. I'm gonna do my COELU thought auto turn.

1189
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 1: When you call bord Tex, there's a bunch of dudes

1190
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 1: sitting there whose job it is to take calls from

1191
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 1: people and answer their questions, like honest, the goodness people

1192
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 1: who do all kinds of shooting and hunting. To answer

1193
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 1: your questions part of your job. I think a huge

1194
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 1: part of your job here is being knowledgeable on your

1195
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 1: whether it be a Western hunting, whether it be you know,

1196
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 1: competitive shooting, whether it be hunting the Midwest. You know,

1197
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 1: part of my job. And it's nice because I could

1198
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 1: tell my wife, Hey, I gotta go to the range today.

1199
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 1: But that's you know, to stay in sharp is part

1200
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 1: of your job. And that's why our crew I think is,

1201
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 1: you know, some of the best guys out there pretty

1202
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 1: tough to beat. Ryan. I think that in general, Americans

1203
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 1: like things big, right, We like jacked up trucks. We

1204
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 1: like big knobby tires on them. If I could give

1205
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 1: anybody listening a piece of advice and conclusion of today's

1206
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 1: do not put a precedence on the size of your optic.

1207
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 1: Put a precedence on the quality of the optic. So

1208
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 1: take optical quality over magnification or simplicity over complexity, that

1209
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:29,959
Speaker 1: kind of thing. It'll make you a better shooter. It'll

1210
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 1: help you determine or set that gauge of whether this

1211
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 1: is a shot you should register, is exciting and confident

1212
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:42,720
Speaker 1: or surprise, you know, So go go big on optical quality.

1213
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 1: Skip the magnification if at all possible. Yeah, it's all stuff,

1214
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 1: good stuff, I think. For me, I always talk about

1215
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 1: turkey hunting and red dots, and it makes me think

1216
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:57,560
Speaker 1: I'm still shooting a bead off of a type of

1217
01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 1: a barrel. So I need I need like unfettered access

1218
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 1: to like some of the greatest optics in the world.

1219
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 1: You need to I need a red dot on my turkey.

1220
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 1: How have you done this stuff? I don't know. I'm

1221
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 1: gonna try it, man. Yeah, it's time alrightybody, thanks for

1222
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 1: tuning in if you got if you got questions, what

1223
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 1: what I would do if you if I had a

1224
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 1: question about any of this stuff, I would just call

1225
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 1: what's the phone number here to six zero zero for eight. Yeah,

1226
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:26,479
Speaker 1: and ask these holes as yourself. Um, all right, thanks

1227
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 1: again