1 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: What is up? 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:08,319 Speaker 2: Everyone? Welcome back to Post Run High. I am sitting 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 2: here today with Dana Pirino. Dana's a host at Fox News. 4 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 2: She's a former White House Press secretary. She's a best 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 2: selling author, she's a dog mom to Percy, she's a 6 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 2: mentor to many, and so much more. Dana, I am 7 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 2: so excited to be sitting down with you today. 8 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: I'm excited that we're sitting and not running because I'm 9 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: not a good runner. But I'm also You're so much 10 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: taller than me, so now I feel like we have 11 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 1: a little more of an even playing field. And it's 12 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 1: rare that I'm taller than someone. Is that right? Yes? 13 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: So I love that. Congratulations on the podcast. 14 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 2: Thank you great, thank you, and thanks so much for 15 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 2: being here with me today. It's truly such an honor 16 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 2: to sit down and be able to do this with you. 17 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 2: So for context for everybody listening watching, Dana and I 18 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 2: first met several months ago, we were on a walk 19 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 2: in Central Park with her dog Percy, and now we're 20 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 2: here in Brooklyn at our studio and. 21 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 1: My third time in Brooklyn today. I love Brooklyn when 22 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: I get here, but for me to come to Brooklyn, 23 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: there's like an event. I went to a Blake Shelton 24 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: concert here once, and then I tried to find a 25 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 1: farmer's market once in Brooklyn, and because I heard it 26 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: was great, but I don't think I went to the 27 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:26,639 Speaker 1: right one. 28 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 2: I was a New York City girl and a Manhattan 29 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 2: girl for so many years, because I went to college 30 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 2: in New York City and I always lived on the 31 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 2: Upper West Side, and then I dabbled in a few 32 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 2: other areas. And it's so funny that we now live 33 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 2: in Dumbo, because I probably wouldn't live anywhere else in Brooklyn. 34 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:43,639 Speaker 2: I just as a little girl, I always loved Dumbo. 35 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 2: I remember walking here with my mom over the Brooklyn 36 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 2: Bridge and coming onto the street that we now live 37 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 2: on and saying, this is the most beautiful site I've 38 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 2: ever seen. And it's that street with the beautiful brick 39 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 2: buildings and the bridge in the middle. But I will 40 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 2: definitely go back to Manhattan. 41 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: That's something well, And that show younger I loved. I 42 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: don't know if you had known that. Highly recommend It's 43 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: with Sutton Foster and Hillary Duff. And then there's another actress. 44 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: She's kind of famous. She used to be Madonna's makeup artist. Well, 45 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: I can't think of her name, but it takes place 46 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: in Manhattan and in Brooklyn, and so it's kind of 47 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 1: the best of both worlds. Just like eighteen minutes an episode. 48 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: Highly recommend it. 49 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 2: I need to watch it. I love that Madonna's makeup 50 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 2: artist is now actress. 51 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: Yes, that's incredible. 52 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 2: Yes, Well, I'm so excited for today because you guys 53 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 2: are not only going to learn all about Dana, but 54 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 2: I have a feeling you're going to be able to 55 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 2: learn a lot from her. Ever since we met, I 56 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 2: have not been able to stop talking about you. I 57 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,639 Speaker 2: reference to everybody's like, who's your favorite person that you've 58 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:40,679 Speaker 2: had on You're always one of the top people that 59 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 2: aks Thank you. Yeah, and I mean that wholeheartedly. So 60 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 2: when I got the call that we were going to 61 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 2: be able to sit down, I was so excited. 62 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: Let's start here. 63 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 2: You became a household name back in two thousand and 64 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 2: seven when you became the White House Press Secretary. But 65 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 2: before we get to that, I just want you to 66 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 2: take us back a little bit and tell us, you 67 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 2: know about your childhood and maybe when you first got 68 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 2: interested in politics and journalism and current events. 69 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: Thanks for the question. I love talking about this and 70 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: one of the reasons I wrote my very first book 71 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: was because of my upbringing and I wanted young women 72 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: to know that if you grow up in a rural 73 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: part of America, you can still do anything that you want, 74 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: including stay and in your community or go and achieve things. 75 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: And I was born in Wyoming. I grew up in 76 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: Wyoming in Colorado. My family on my mom's side were 77 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: small business owners and on my dad's side, they ranched. 78 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: And it was a ranch that my great grandparents had 79 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: founded in the late eighteen hundreds in Newcastle, Wyoming, which 80 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: is about eighty miles west of Mount Rushmore. And if 81 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: you know Devil's Tower, it's right by there. And I 82 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: really identify a lot with the ranch because we weren't 83 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,839 Speaker 1: a family that went on huge ski trips. I never 84 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: went to Europe on family vacations. We went to the ranch. 85 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: That was what we did for our Spring break, break, 86 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: Christmas break, Thanksgiving, Easter. That's where we wanted to be. 87 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: My grandparents were hugely influential in my life. My grandfather 88 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: was a county commissioner, my grandmother was a nurse. But 89 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:16,559 Speaker 1: they had a wonderful love story. My grandfather was serving 90 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: in the Marines in World War Two in the Pacific. 91 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 1: He was able to get home and the war ends. 92 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: He comes and he goes through the Panama Canal up 93 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: into Pennsylvania, into Philadelphia. My grandmother had grown up in 94 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: New Jersey. Both of them had friends who said, we 95 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: want to set you up on a blind date tonight, 96 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:38,840 Speaker 1: and both of them said, there is no way I'm 97 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: going on this blind date. But they did, and three 98 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 1: months later my grandmother moved to Wyoming and they shared 99 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: a great love story. Wonderful role model in terms of 100 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: a relationship. When I would say that my dad and 101 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 1: my mom were voracious news consumers and we got every 102 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: newspaper in every magazine. And what was it was really formative. 103 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: If I think back, is when I was in third grade, 104 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: my dad started a tradition with me where I had 105 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: to read the Rocky Mountain News and the Denver Post 106 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: before he got home from work, and I had to 107 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: pick out two articles to discuss before dinner. And I 108 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: think about what I do now. My chance to be 109 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 1: on Fox News anchoring a show, co hosting The Five, 110 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: and I love it so much, and I would probably 111 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 1: be doing all of that reading, even if I wasn't 112 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 1: getting paid to so I did that. I was a 113 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: gymnast early on when I was a kid, but and 114 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: I played the piano, and at some point my mom 115 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: and dad said you have to make a choice, and 116 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 1: I chose gymnastics. That was not a great choice. I 117 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 1: was never going to be an Olympic athlete, and when 118 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 1: that became clear around puberty I'm thirteen fourteen years old, 119 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: I joined the speech team and that made a huge 120 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 1: difference for me as well. I went to college on 121 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: a speech team scholarship. I have a younger sister named Angie. 122 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: She's my biggest fan. She always has been, ever since 123 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: I first learned to read. She was so proud of me, 124 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: told everybody I could read, and she remains my very 125 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: dear friend. And my family still ranches in that area. 126 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: So I feel very lucky to have grown up in 127 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: that part of the world, but to also have traveled 128 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: a lot, to had an opportunity to get a good 129 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: education and then live in a lot of different places 130 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 1: as well, including Washington, d C. For a long time, 131 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: and then now New York, which is amazing. 132 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 2: I love knowing that a Wyoming girl ended up on 133 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 2: the East Coast, and you have so much so an 134 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 2: East Coast personality. 135 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 1: Really, Yes, that's funny. I really do like the pace 136 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: of New York. And there was a time when Peter 137 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 1: and I thought we might move to South Carolina because 138 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: it's so beautiful. We thought we would live there. But 139 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: I had ten days off in a row when Christmas 140 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: and I told Peter on the fifth night, I can't 141 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: do this yet. I want to be active. And then 142 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: I started really loving New York. And it's got its problems, 143 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: believe me, and I'm happy to talk about them. But 144 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: I also think that the energy for me where I 145 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: am in my life right now, this is the best place. 146 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 2: I feel the same way. I could not leave New 147 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 2: York City, at least right now while I have a career. 148 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 2: I just feel like it's the best place to be, 149 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 2: and there's so many interesting people here. But I know 150 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 2: you also love escaping the city right and going out 151 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 2: to New Jersey, which I love knowing that you've gone 152 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 2: back to your roots a little bit, with your grandma 153 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 2: being from there. 154 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: When I first moved here, I didn't understand when my 155 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: now CEO said to me, you need to have a 156 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: summer plan was like, who can afford? What are you 157 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: talking about a summer plan? What does that mean? Now? 158 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: I understand that the city is so much during the 159 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: week that you have to have the weekend to regroup. 160 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: So we have stumbled upon a community called Bayhead, New Jersey. 161 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: It is a special place with great people who have 162 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: worked very hard to achieve having a home or a 163 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: second home there. But I love the teachers, I love 164 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: the police officers, the firemen. These are like all of 165 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: my people. I love it in the winter. Of course, 166 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: the summer is fun too when everybody's there. But it 167 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: has been a place that's great. But what's really great 168 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: about it for my husband is his dad was in 169 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: the Royal Air Force and he moved around a lot. 170 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: He was an international businessman, still is moved around a lot. 171 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: Where we live in Bayhead is his forty fourth home address, 172 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: and that's where he wants to be. So I feel 173 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: like we finally found where we're supposed to be. 174 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like, after years of traveling around, moving to 175 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 2: different cities, we are in our spouse, which is where 176 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 2: we're going to. We love knowing that it's Jersey. I'm 177 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 2: a Jersey girl. 178 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:40,959 Speaker 1: So I love that. 179 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 2: I also love knowing that your family has clearly had 180 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 2: such a big influence on you. And I really like 181 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 2: talking about grit, especially with people like yourself. You've achieved 182 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 2: so much, you have to have a certain level of 183 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 2: grit to have gotten to where you've gotten. What influence 184 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 2: do you feel like your upbringing had on your grit? 185 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: That's a great question. I think that certainly in the 186 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: western part of the United States, there is a tradition 187 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: of resilience and independence and also humility. I was not 188 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: somebody who grew up thinking, oh, it'll be no problem 189 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: if I don't have a job because my parents will 190 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: pay my bills. I know that's very unusual for most people. 191 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: That is a very small fraction of the country that 192 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 1: can live like that. So I always wanted to be independent. 193 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:33,599 Speaker 1: I knew I wanted to achieve a lot quickly. I 194 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: do regret and I write about this and everything will 195 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: be okay. That I really worried away most of my 196 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: twenties because I was trying to think of, well, what's next, 197 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: How can I get ahead? How can I do this? 198 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: I would pay my student loan bill three months in 199 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: advance because I was afraid for some reason that all 200 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: of a sudden, I would have no money, and that 201 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: financial insecurity kind of drove me a little bit. But 202 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: I did have ambition, like I wanted to achieve things. 203 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: And yet there's another part of of my upbringing that 204 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:05,079 Speaker 1: is interesting. I mentioned about humility. It's not that you 205 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: can't be confident. You can be confident, but you should 206 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: never be too big for your breches. And that is 207 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: something I keep with me all the time. I think 208 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: about that, and sometimes I think it is hard to 209 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:25,439 Speaker 1: then discuss your own grit, right, I would rather talk 210 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: about somebody else's. And when I was the Deputy Press 211 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: Secretary and Press Secretary, we were dealing with some pretty 212 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 1: tough issues like any presidency does, every presidency does, and 213 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: I realized I actually didn't cry well at the terrible news, 214 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: the tough news that I was really good in a crisis. 215 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 1: I cried twice at the podium. I teared up when 216 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: I had to announce that Tony Snow the late Press Secretary, 217 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: when his cancer had returned. Yeah, and then I cried 218 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: one of the time, got teary eyed only at something 219 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:06,439 Speaker 1: that was sweet, something that was lovely, and an achievement. 220 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: But if it was bad news, like I can rise 221 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: to the occasion and I can handle that, and you 222 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,559 Speaker 1: want me on your side in a crisis, I can 223 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: be very calm. I did, however, feel like the experience 224 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: made me a little bit more hard edged than my 225 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: natural state of being, and I had to learn how 226 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: to wipe that away a little bit after I left. 227 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 2: And it's so funny that you say that, because I 228 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 2: was watching a bunch of. 229 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: Yr old uh ps never I could never watch it. 230 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 2: But you were so sweet, and so many comments that 231 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:44,079 Speaker 2: she's America's sweetheart, like people just loved you. Yeah, So 232 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 2: it's funny that you say you got so hardened. But 233 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 2: you were always so gracious, and. 234 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 1: I think there was something about that that my grandfather 235 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: would taught me, you know, to be poised, to be 236 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: gracious and to never let them see you sweat. That 237 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: was something that I always thought about, was but would 238 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: President Bush be proud of me and agree and appreciate 239 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: how I am representing him right now? And if the 240 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: answer was no, in my gut, I didn't say it 241 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: because I could be funny, I could be sarcastic, the 242 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: easiest thing you can do. But when you're in a 243 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: position of power like that is be mean. But I 244 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: could have said to a reporter, that's the stupidest question 245 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: I've ever heard. Where in the world did you get 246 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: that idea? But I'd just keep it to myself and 247 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: swallow that save it from maybe later and we're like, 248 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: can you believe he asked that question? But also I 249 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: was too busy in that regard, And I never wanted 250 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: and still don't ever want to look myself in the 251 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: mirror and not be able to be proud of being myself. 252 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: Sometimes that's not easy. Sometimes you have to walk a line. 253 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: But when I left on January twentieth, two thousand and nine, 254 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: we went to the airport and we'd say goodbye to 255 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: President Bush. We were on our way to Africa. We 256 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: are going to do two weeks safari in two weeks 257 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,959 Speaker 1: volunteer work at a faith based site. And I leaned 258 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 1: my head back and I said, nothing I do for 259 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: the rest of my life will ever be that important 260 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: or that hard. And right before Caroline love It, the 261 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: new Press secretary, took over. We had dinner and she's 262 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 1: also had watched several of my briefings, and I thought, 263 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, that must have been terrible, but I 264 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 1: I'm glad that it stands up to the test of time. 265 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 2: There are so few people that will share that same 266 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 2: experience as you had, And it's cool knowing that you 267 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 2: were able to sit down with Caroline and talk to 268 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 2: her and I'm sure give her advice. And I want 269 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 2: to get to the advice that maybe you've shared with 270 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 2: Caroline and advice that you would have for future press 271 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 2: secretaries as well. But first I want to ask, before 272 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 2: you stepped up to the podium, where's there something that 273 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 2: you had to do, maybe a ritual to calm yourself 274 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 2: down and be able to be so gracious when you 275 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 2: were on camera. 276 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: Well, the most important thing I could ever do was 277 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 1: to be one hundred percent prepared. There is It's going 278 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: to sound like a cliche, but there is. Knowledge is power. 279 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: Knowledge is power, and I have tried every single shortcut 280 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: to try to be faster in my prep. There is 281 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: no shortcut. You have to do the reading, you have 282 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: to do the listening. Listening is an undervalued skill in 283 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: leadership and in terms of attention span. A lot of 284 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: people now, especially younger people, but older people too. Our 285 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: phones have shortened our attention span. It's a problem overall 286 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: for our lives. It's a problem. But I would say 287 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: that was the most important thing that I could do. 288 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: Do the reading, do the listening, and ask the right questions. 289 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: I'm not a lawyer. I did spend about ten months 290 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: with the Justice Department as a spokesperson. That helped a lot, 291 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: and there was a general counsel at the White House 292 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: at one point she said you were the best non 293 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: lawyer in the White House. Well, one of the reasons 294 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: is that when you're the White House Press Secretary, I 295 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: would say ninety percent of the questions you get have 296 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: some sort of legal component. You're either being sued, or 297 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: you're suing somebody else, or you're trying to pass a law. 298 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: It's all legally based. And I would say for me, now, 299 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: the key is ask the right questions, get to what 300 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: is the issue. And usually that's the toughest not to untangle. 301 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 2: It is, and it's the toughest thing also to figure out. 302 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 2: And I feel like you learn it by doing your 303 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 2: preparation and also, as we were talking about before this, 304 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 2: getting your reps. In one of the quotes that I 305 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 2: have on my bulletin board over there that somebody said 306 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 2: to me during an interview, with specific questions, get specific answers. 307 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: Yes. 308 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 2: And sometimes when I'm doing my interview prep, I read 309 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 2: over a question and I say to myself, is. 310 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: That too broad? Where are they going to take it? 311 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: If I ask that question? 312 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 2: Or it's more about active listening, but it's the way 313 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 2: you propose a question has to be right. 314 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: Yes. And also I think, especially for your podcast, which 315 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: people want to listen to you because they're going to 316 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: learn something and they're going to be maybe entertained, learn 317 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: something they didn't know. Here's something that can add to 318 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: their life. It's that what I try to do also 319 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: is set the other person up for success, right right, 320 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: Don't say so how's it going, because like how is 321 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: your morning prep today? Or something? I mean something more specific. 322 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: I see what you mean and say you're trying to say, like, 323 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: I'm paying attention to you and I'm looking you in 324 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: the eye. And that's why I think the podcast for 325 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: you is very interesting because you're your future is so 326 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: exceedingly bright. But then people can see you rather than 327 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: just listen or if like if you're running, it's not 328 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: necessarily being able to see the intention that you bring 329 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: to every interview that I mean, I can see it 330 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: and feel it now. So that's what I also try 331 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: to do on America's Newsroom, which is when the interview 332 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: starts like I don't pay attention to anything else. 333 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 2: You can't. 334 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: No. 335 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 2: I was talking to Lindsay Davis about this, but she 336 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 2: also said that so much of interviewing and being a 337 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 2: journalist is having a lot of empathy. You have to 338 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 2: have empathy when you're talking to people as well to 339 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 2: facilitate great conversations to be able to really connect. 340 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say there was one time I actually cried, 341 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:07,679 Speaker 1: got teary eyed at Fox, and it was because I 342 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: was interviewing a woman who had been a victim of 343 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: domestic violence. She had a restraining order against her ex husband. 344 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:18,959 Speaker 1: She had two children, and it was about bail and 345 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: cashless bail. This guy had gotten out. I come to 346 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: her house and he had killed her older child and 347 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: he thought he killed a younger child and her. They 348 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: both lived but right, and she was going to testify 349 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,360 Speaker 1: about how cashless bail was about was a problem in Chicago. 350 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 1: So I'm about to interview her and I'm fine, I'm 351 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 1: like organized, And then in my ear right before the interview, 352 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: they said it would have been his fifth birthday today 353 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 1: and I could not get that out of my head 354 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: and listening to her, and I remember my producer, Matt Schavanni, 355 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: great guy in my ear. He said, you're okay, and 356 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: sometimes you just need to be reminded like okay, yeah, yes, 357 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: I am okay, and I'm here to do a professional job. 358 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean you don't have a heart. 359 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 2: I love knowing that you guys have somebody in your 360 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 2: ear to be able to remind you of those things, 361 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 2: because that does help. 362 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: It's very rare. Yeah, it's usually rap right because you 363 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: have to stop. But every once in a while it'll 364 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: be like you're all right. And it happened in the 365 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: Afghanistan with all too when we interviewed a guy who 366 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 1: should have been in America. He had helped us as 367 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: an interpreter. He had the right to be here. He 368 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: was there at Abby Gate when that bomb went off. 369 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: He was cradling a five year old child who died 370 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: in his arms. And he did an interview with us 371 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 1: and he said, well, now I know I'm going to die, 372 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: and that was a lot he did live. Actually he's 373 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 1: now living in Brazil with his family, which is great. 374 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 2: Wow, You've been able to cover some incredible stories so 375 00:18:49,200 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 2: many over the past. You know several years. You were 376 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 2: so focused at such a young age on knowing what 377 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 2: you wanted to do, and you've said, I always wanted 378 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 2: to work in politics. Was there ever a woman in 379 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 2: the news for you that you saw in the media 380 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 2: and you said to yourself, Oh, I want to do that. 381 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 2: I want to be like. 382 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: Well, I definitely wanted to be a local news anchor. 383 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 1: And it's interesting. I was just in San Angelo, Texas, 384 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: small market, but the woman Carolyn McEnroe is her name. 385 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: She's the main anchor there and she grew up there. 386 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: She went and she worked in Baltimore and bigger markets, 387 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: but she came home and she's their anchor there. She's 388 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: old school. I love her. She is great. And there 389 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 1: was a woman named Paula Woodward in Colorado. Denver had 390 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: great local news when I was growing up, fantastic local news. 391 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: I would also say that Paula is on certainly for 392 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 1: me early on bree Walker. So there's a saying in 393 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: mentoring you have to see her to be her. So 394 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 1: it's one of those things that's important for take your 395 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: kid to work day. I think this is probably true 396 00:19:56,320 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: for boys as well. It's that, oh, she's an astronaut, 397 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: like I could be an astronaut. Or she is a 398 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: news anchor, I could do that. Oh she's the White 399 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: House Press secretary, I could do that. And it gives 400 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 1: people little ideas along the way. So I also had 401 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: ambition to be like a local news anchor. I took 402 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: the circuitous route to getting to do national news, and 403 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:23,199 Speaker 1: all of those experiences built on themselves. And so in 404 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 1: the books I've written, one of the things I remind 405 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,719 Speaker 1: people is that you can have as many plans, and 406 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: you should have ideas and goals, but if you are 407 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: so worried about getting that one specific plan done, you're 408 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: going to end up disappointed because you're not in charge 409 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: of this. 410 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 2: Was there ever a job or internship that you had 411 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 2: that you realized, oh, this is not what I want 412 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 2: to ask absolutely? What was? 413 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 1: Absolutely? I worked for a deputy mayor in San Diego. 414 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: I had met my husband on an airplane. I moved 415 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 1: to England. We come back to America. We're living in 416 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: San Diego. There weren't many jobs going. I took a 417 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: job as a press secretary for a city council in 418 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: San Diego is a pretty big market. About four weeks 419 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 1: into it, I said to my husband, I think this 420 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: guy could get indicted. There was some funny business going on, 421 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: and then a family member of mine died a couple 422 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: weeks later. It's only been working there for six weeks 423 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: and we're on our flight back and I said to Peter, 424 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,719 Speaker 1: I don't want to have to go back there tomorrow, 425 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 1: but I have to go back tomorrow. And he said, 426 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,199 Speaker 1: you can quit that job, you know that, right, said, well, 427 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: how could I? We had just moved back to America. 428 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 1: I was the only one with a pain drop at 429 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: the time because Peter was starting a business. We had 430 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: borrowed money to get a one bedroom apartment and a vehicle. 431 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 1: We had a four month old puppy. We look back 432 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: on those times though, and we had literally very little. 433 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: But my husband said, you can leave, and I went 434 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: in and I resigned, and they were like, well, how 435 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: long do we have you? Another month? And I said no. 436 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: He almost did get indicted. He was able to get 437 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,679 Speaker 1: the charges dropped, but it was something silly. It was 438 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: like utilizing city workers to do campaign work. Something like that. 439 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: But at the time, I was like, I don't want 440 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: to be here anymore. But he was not a good person, 441 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: not a nice person. I didn't want to be around him. 442 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: And I have been very fortunate do have great jobs 443 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: at a great place, Like working for the White House 444 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 1: was amazing, and being at Fox has been incredible. The 445 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 1: opportunities it's provided me, the colleagues that are like family, 446 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 1: the culture is great. Plus I work at a place 447 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: where I can say and do anything I want. I 448 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: have so much independence and a lot of responsibility is 449 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 1: on me. I have to do a good job, like 450 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 1: they will back me up, but I'll have to do 451 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 1: the work. There's no shortcuts. 452 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,880 Speaker 2: And I love that you just mentioned your colleagues because 453 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,919 Speaker 2: in your book that's launching this month. I loved seeing 454 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 2: so many of your Fox colleagues referenced in the book 455 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 2: and quoted all I. 456 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: Loved writing the bios for each of them. I took 457 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 1: great care. Somebody wrote today that I wrote them with 458 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 1: great affection, and I really did. Yeah. 459 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 2: Absolutely, let's talk about this because I feel like for 460 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 2: so many people, especially in their young twenties and late twenties, 461 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 2: it's hard to know and I always talk about the 462 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 2: power of the pivot, but it's so hard to know 463 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 2: when it's time to leave a job or when a 464 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,120 Speaker 2: job is no longer serving you. But my dad always 465 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:09,679 Speaker 2: says it to me. And I remember when I was 466 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 2: working in advertising, which I had worked so hard to 467 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 2: get these advertising jobs. When I was in college, I 468 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 2: was doing internships, I was taking night classes. I graduated 469 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 2: early so that I could start working and start paying 470 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 2: off my student loans. And I remember saying to my dad, 471 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 2: I started this running interview show. It's going really well, 472 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 2: and I think I'm gonna I think I'm gonna leave 473 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,959 Speaker 2: my job. And he was like, you're not leaving your 474 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,919 Speaker 2: job until you move from a position of strength and 475 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 2: you have something else or you know this thing is 476 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 2: really going well for you. So I'm curious, what would 477 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 2: be your advice to people that say to you, Okay, 478 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 2: I think I really want to leave my job. 479 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 1: So in the new book, I do ask a lot 480 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: of different people this question, and one of my colleagues, 481 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: Trey Goudie, has written what I think is one of 482 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 1: the best books on decision making, and it's called Start, Stay, 483 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 1: or Leave, and he writes about the possibility of leaving 484 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: as a prosecutor at one point, and it just didn't 485 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: feel right to him. But when he was ready to 486 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 1: leave Congress, it felt right to leave. I believe that 487 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: you need to be in a place of growth, and 488 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:17,919 Speaker 1: especially if you're in your twenties. Right there is a 489 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,719 Speaker 1: tendency to want to move on too quickly because you 490 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 1: do learn fast, and you have ambition, and things are expensive, 491 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: so you want the next job. But you have to 492 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: really ask yourself, is there anything I can do to 493 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: be better at this job today than I was yesterday? 494 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,159 Speaker 1: Is there anything more for me to learn? The answer 495 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 1: is no, and you're honest about it, then the answer 496 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: is probably you should try to look for the opportunity 497 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: to move up within the company or to move on. 498 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: Another reason to move on would be if you are uncomfortable, 499 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: if you think it's an unethical situation. I just saw 500 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: this thing on overheard New York, somebody saying, well, what 501 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 1: we're doing is not illegal. I mean it's a little shady, 502 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,199 Speaker 1: but it's not illegal. Yeah, if that's your situation, you 503 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: probably want to leave. But there's also this a friend 504 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: of mine who worked in the Biden administration. She said 505 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 1: that she'd been given this opportunity to leave the Biden 506 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 1: Vice presidential office to go to the State Department. And 507 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 1: she said, well, why would I ever do that? I 508 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,199 Speaker 1: love this job. And she went to see a girlfriend. 509 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: She goes, can you believe this? They want me to 510 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: leave the Vice president's office and go work there. And 511 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: her friend said, when you think about your job today, 512 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 1: do you feel like you are just above water? Like 513 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 1: are you about to drown every day? She goes, Oh God, no, 514 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 1: this job so easy. She goes, then you have to leave. 515 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 2: On this topic in your book, and the good news 516 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 2: is you. And by the way, guys, if you're loving 517 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,439 Speaker 2: this conversation with Dana, just go pick up one of 518 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 2: her books, because you'll be able to feel like you're 519 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 2: having a direct conversation with her and learning all about 520 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 2: her experiences in her books. In your book, you talked 521 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 2: about the day that you were presented the job as. 522 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: Press secretary had been a great story. 523 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 2: And it might have been a day that you wanted 524 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:56,360 Speaker 2: to throw in the. 525 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: Towel it was going I went into I went into 526 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: the White House that day to resign. There was about 527 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: eighteen months left in the presidency. I was the deputy 528 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,880 Speaker 1: had been the deputy for a long time and these 529 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 1: are you know, eighteen hour days, and I was physically 530 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: feeling a little run down. But also I knew I 531 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: wasn't going to move up and I didn't come from money, 532 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:19,640 Speaker 1: and I needed to figure out is there a way 533 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 1: that I can establish myself at some sort of you know, 534 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 1: either PR firm or something where I can have a 535 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 1: foothold on the next part of my career. And Peter 536 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 1: and I talked about it. He went on, one of these races, 537 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: you've probably done, these these twenty four hour races that 538 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,160 Speaker 1: you do with the team. Yeah, it's good to coast. 539 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 1: That's what it was. 540 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 2: When I heard that he did that, I was like, 541 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 2: we're going to need to interview Peter. 542 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 3: Because Peter's the best interview. He's great, He's a runner, 543 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 3: like that'd be amazing. He's got great stories, and he's 544 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 3: been my biggest supporter. Like before we leave almost give everybody. 545 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 3: My very favorite piece of advice has to do with him. 546 00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 3: But Peter and I decided that it made sense, even 547 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 3: though I didn't really want to leave the White House, 548 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 3: but it made sense because they were saying, if you 549 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 3: don't have fresh legs to finish this race, You're going 550 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 3: to have to make the hard decision and leave. So 551 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 3: I went into the White House that day and I 552 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 3: saw Ed Gillespie. He was the director of Communications, and 553 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 3: I said, hey, Ed, can I see you after the 554 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 3: communications meeting? And he says, yes, I need to talk 555 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 3: to you too. I said, great, okay, and I'm dreading it, 556 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 3: dreading it, dreading it. Go to communications meeting. It ends 557 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 3: and it says, Dana, can you stay Yah? Sure, so 558 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 3: I stay behind. 559 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: I'm sure everybody was thinking I was in trouble or 560 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 1: there's something else big going on. And we sit down 561 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: and I'm about to just blurt it out to just 562 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: like rip the band aid off, and he said, do 563 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 1: you mind if I go first? And I said okay, yeah, sure, 564 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 1: And I sat back and he said the President would 565 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,199 Speaker 1: like to announce you as Press secretary on Friday. And 566 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: I said I knew my life had changed an instant 567 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: and I said great. Now. Ed did not know that 568 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: story until he read my book and he called me 569 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: said I cannot believe that. Imagine if I had gone first. 570 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:02,959 Speaker 1: I was just kidning say that, And that's why I'm 571 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 1: saying about the plan My plan was to go in 572 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: and resign, and then I was going to get a 573 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 1: job at a PR agency, and then everything was then 574 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 1: da da da da da da, and the plan that 575 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 1: was not the plan. And then he said, and also 576 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:16,919 Speaker 1: you have to plan a secret trip to a rack. 577 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 1: We're leaving Friday night. And when that happens, the Press 578 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 1: secretary does all the work. So I went downstairs and 579 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 1: I called Peter and I was like, he said, how 580 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 1: did it go? I said, well, and he's congratulations, my darling. 581 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: He was so happy. 582 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,360 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. I was gonna say, did you accept 583 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 2: the job before calling Peter in telling him. 584 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: Yes, of course. And then but it happened again. Years later, 585 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: I was a contributor at Fox and I did a 586 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: couple other things. I was on the Broadcasting Board of 587 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 1: Governors under Barack Obama. I'd just been to Africa. I 588 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: was at Dulles Airport at baggage claim when I got 589 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: a call from Fox saying, Hey, I know this is 590 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: going to disrupt your summer, but would you mind coming 591 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 1: up to New York and doing this temporary show called 592 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 1: The Five. It's going to be for five to six weeks. 593 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: That's it. We just need to fill this until we 594 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: figure out what's going on there, and you know, would 595 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: you mind coming up and doing the show called The Five? 596 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: And I thought, my summer's ruined. I have to go 597 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: to live in man middle of Manhattan for a summer. 598 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: This is terrible. And I called Peter. He was in 599 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: Korea on business. I said, Peter, you're not going to 600 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: believe this, and he said, congratulations, my darling. So I 601 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: said again, I was like what he said. This is 602 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: what you always wanted to do. And we were about 603 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: to have our fourteenth anniversary this July for the Five. 604 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 2: I also love that you referenced Peter, and I want 605 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 2: to talk about this really quickly because this is another 606 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 2: thing that you mentioned in that book, and you also 607 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 2: said it to me on our walk when I asked 608 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 2: you a quote that you live by, and it is 609 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 2: choosing to be loved is not a career limiting decision, 610 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 2: and Peter ended up being and throughout your entire career 611 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 2: has been one of your biggest supporters. 612 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: Right. So we met on an airplane. He's eighteen years 613 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: older than me. He lived in England at the time, 614 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 1: we didn't have cell phones. This is nineteen nine seven, 615 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: and we didn't have air pods. We had hard copy books, 616 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: you know, And I asked him about his book and 617 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: we started talking, and immediately I was like, oh my gosh. Well, 618 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: first of all, he has a British accent, so that helps. 619 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: I don't lose it Peter. But you know, I had 620 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: a pretty good career trajectory for me at the time. 621 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: I was a House Pressed secretary for a pretty high 622 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 1: up member of Congress and wasn't quite in leadership, but 623 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: he was a senior guy. I had good friends at Gillespie, 624 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: being one of them who worked on the Hill at 625 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: the time, and I thought, first of all, when I 626 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: left local TV and went to Capitol Hill, I thought, wow, 627 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: I'm never going to get to work in TV again. 628 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: Thinking about moving to England to be with Peter, I thought, well, 629 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: there goes my career. Everything I worked for it's gone. 630 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 1: Of course, none of that turns out to be true. 631 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: But I went home to Colorado and it was Christmas 632 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: time and a family friend took me aside and she goes, so, 633 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 1: what's going on because he was there, and I was like, oh, no, no, no, no, 634 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: I don't know because I was so worried about what 635 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: everybody else would think. Like, he's eighteen years older than me, 636 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: he has two kids. I was twenty five years old. 637 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 1: People are going to think I'm crazy and impulsive. And 638 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: she said, don't give up on this chance to be loved. 639 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 1: It might not ever happen again. And she goes, why 640 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 1: do you care what other people think? And another thing 641 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: I say in these books is that everyone thinks that 642 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: everyone else is thinking about them. It's never true. Everyone 643 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: is only ever thinking about themselves, like including me, like 644 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 1: it happened. I am like, we are empathetic. But also 645 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: when somebody says, oh, guess when I'm having a baby 646 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: and they work for you, you're the first thing is 647 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: thought was, oh gosh, who's going to do her job right? 648 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: Like it happens. It's just natural. And when I was 649 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: so nervous to tell my parents I was moving to England, 650 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: I could not believe it. I worked myself up into 651 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 1: the worst anxiety. I call my parents and I tell 652 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: them and they go, this is great. All that worry 653 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: for nothing. And I look back and I think, if 654 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: I had given up on that chance to have this 655 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: amazing twenty seven year marriage with Peter, I actually look 656 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: back I'm like, one, none of it would have been 657 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: fun or worth it. But I also don't think I 658 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: could have done it without him. 659 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 2: I mean, having a supportive partner in your life really 660 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 2: is such a game changer, especially when you're in a 661 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 2: job like being the Press secretary of the United States. 662 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 2: And I just have to shout this out really quickly, 663 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 2: but Dana was the second female Press secretary of the 664 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 2: United States ever and the first ever Republican press secretary. 665 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 2: So we talked a little bit before about the quote 666 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 2: that you mentioned was you have to see it sometimes 667 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 2: to believe it. 668 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: One of the other piece of advice I have is 669 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 1: always take the deputy job or the second in command job. 670 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: Take that job. Love it. It might mean like for 671 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 1: me that was that meant you do the job and 672 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: you work the holidays and the weekends. But that's when 673 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 1: that got to know the president. We would show up 674 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 1: on a Saturday and it was always all the deputies, 675 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: and let's say he was going to give a graduation speech. 676 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 1: We walk in like high sirs, the B team. He's like, yeah, 677 00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: the best team. We would have so much fun. Was 678 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 1: like a little bit more easy going, but that's when 679 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: you learn to do the job, and the deputy position 680 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 1: is great. I love it. I always tell people to 681 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 1: take that job. 682 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 2: For people that don't know, let's talk a little bit 683 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 2: about your path to being White House Press secretary. 684 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 1: So I moved to England to be with Peter. We 685 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 1: moved to San Diego. I'm bored out of my mind, 686 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 1: and I went in August of two thousand and one 687 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 1: and said to my friends, I would love to come 688 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 1: back if something opens up, let me know. I want 689 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 1: to work for President Bush, but I work on Capitol Hill. 690 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 1: If anything comes up you think is good, let me know. 691 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 1: Two weeks later was the nine to eleven attacks, and 692 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: my girlfriend, Mindy Tucker worked at the Justice Department, and 693 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 1: she called me and said, are you still willing to 694 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: come back to Washington even after all of this? I 695 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: need another spokesperson on my team. And she could trust me. 696 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 1: I worked with her on Capitol Hill and I could 697 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 1: pass a background check quickly, and I started packing when 698 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 1: we were on the phone. And I was a spokesperson 699 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 1: at DOJ for almost a year, and then I got 700 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: pulled over to the White House Council on Environmental Quality, 701 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 1: which was actually back to my roots because a lot 702 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:19,439 Speaker 1: about conservation, land use, farming, agriculture, earthland, and sky. 703 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 2: That was it. 704 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 1: So I did that for about two and a half years, 705 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 1: and then I was going to leave. I was going 706 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 1: to go to the Social Security Administration to work on 707 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 1: that effort at the Treasury Department, and Scott McClellan said, 708 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: I'd like to make you my deputy. So I took 709 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,359 Speaker 1: the deputy job. I was very happy as deputy, very 710 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 1: happy as deputy. I like being behind the scenes. I'm 711 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,239 Speaker 1: still a good staffer. I'm a good producer, I'm a 712 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 1: good staffer. But I had to step up when there 713 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 1: was no other person to do the job, and that 714 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 1: happened to be me. 715 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,879 Speaker 2: And on top of that, soon after you became White 716 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,240 Speaker 2: House Press Secretary the Great Financial Crisis of two thousand 717 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 2: and eight about a year later. What was it like 718 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 2: stepping up to the podium when you're speaking to a 719 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 2: nation of people that are panicked, and not only panicked, 720 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 2: but also they're going to hang on every word you say, 721 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 2: like what does preparation for that look like? 722 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 1: It was very interesting because I remember a lot of 723 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 1: people before that across the administration. They loved to be 724 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,839 Speaker 1: on TV and they would ask if did I want 725 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: them to join the briefing, could I put them on TV? 726 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 1: The financial crisis happens and they were nowhere to be found. 727 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: There was me, and I didn't come from money. I 728 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: don't know what. I didn't know what a credit default 729 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 1: swap was. Turns out nobody else did either. But what 730 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,800 Speaker 1: I did know was this that the President was principled 731 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 1: in his decision making. I was there for all of 732 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 1: the meetings so I could understand and listen and what 733 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,759 Speaker 1: I would say. I remember when Brett Baer, he was 734 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,239 Speaker 1: the White House reporter at the time. A little bit 735 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,280 Speaker 1: in the weeds here, but it makes sense in the story. 736 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: When the President authorized the Treasury Secretary to ask Congress 737 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 1: for the money to bail out the banks. The banks 738 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:05,239 Speaker 1: did repay. But when that happened, we called it the 739 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 1: Troubled Asset Relief Program called TARP. People in finance are 740 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:15,239 Speaker 1: going to remember this. It passes after a lot of 741 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,359 Speaker 1: gnashing of teeth, tantrums, everything, but it passes. And I 742 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 1: do believe that it helped save people from having to 743 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 1: actually panic a lot of people. There were a lot 744 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 1: of people heard in it. I don't discount that, but 745 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 1: fewer than would have been if we hadn't done what 746 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 1: we did, or he did, I should say with the president. 747 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:37,399 Speaker 1: So the Troubled Asset Relief Program passes. The next morning, 748 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 1: we're at senior staff meeting and they start talking about 749 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,439 Speaker 1: how they're not going to use the money to buy 750 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 1: troubled assets. They're going to give the cash to the 751 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 1: bank so that they can do it. And I, again, 752 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 1: you have to ask the right question, but isn't it 753 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 1: called the troubled Asset Relief Program? And you're now you're 754 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 1: not going to do it, And they kind of give 755 00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,439 Speaker 1: me the run around and in the briefing that I'll 756 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 1: never forget it, and I think this is why people 757 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,880 Speaker 1: thought that they could trust me. Brett Behar says, but 758 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 1: I thought it was called the Troubled Asset Relief Program, 759 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 1: And I said, great question, Brett. I asked it myself 760 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 1: this morning and I didn't get a good answer. But 761 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 1: I'm working on it, and as soon as I have one, 762 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,919 Speaker 1: i'll try to provide it to you. Because my job 763 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,719 Speaker 1: wasn't just a spin. My job was to be the 764 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,840 Speaker 1: liaison and to get it back. And President Bush always 765 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,839 Speaker 1: made sure that I had what I needed. So when 766 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,799 Speaker 1: he found out that they were not giving me what 767 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,840 Speaker 1: I needed. It turned around really quickly. 768 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,839 Speaker 2: What is the best piece of advice that you got 769 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,080 Speaker 2: from President Bush? 770 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,759 Speaker 1: To ask yourself what is the worst thing that could happen? Now, 771 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 1: this wasn't happening in the presidency. It was afterwards. I 772 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 1: joined a PR firm, and I was giving speeches and 773 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 1: I was doing this. My favorite thing I did was 774 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: the Fox Contributorship. So I had all these things happening, 775 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 1: and I really did not like the PR firm that 776 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,120 Speaker 1: I was working for. I actually don't like working in PR. 777 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,160 Speaker 1: I didn't know that. I thought, well, that's natural, this 778 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 1: is what this is what press secretaries do. It was 779 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,279 Speaker 1: just not my scene at all. And I went to 780 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 1: see the president on something else, oh, to help him 781 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,239 Speaker 1: with his book tour. And I walk in and I said, 782 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 1: good morning, mister President. And he said what's wrong? And 783 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,560 Speaker 1: I said, everything is good because I can tell what's wrong, toy, 784 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 1: But let's have it. He loves to mentor that's his 785 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 1: favorite thing. So I start to tell him and he says, okay, 786 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,799 Speaker 1: so let me get this straight. What's the worst thing 787 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,680 Speaker 1: that could happen if you left the PR firm? And 788 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,200 Speaker 1: started your own agency. What's the worst thing that could happen. 789 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, he goes, okay, So you're telling me 790 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,279 Speaker 1: you were the White House Press Secretary and the worst 791 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 1: thing that could happen is you start a PR firm 792 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,160 Speaker 1: that doesn't work and you have to go work for 793 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 1: another PR firm. That's the worst thing that could happen 794 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,760 Speaker 1: in your life. It's like, come on. And he really 795 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:56,839 Speaker 1: talked about being willing to take a risk and how 796 00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,759 Speaker 1: important that is for all of us as Americans. We 797 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:04,799 Speaker 1: are pioneering, innovative people. That's one of the reasons were 798 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,080 Speaker 1: the most exceptional nation. But you have to be willing 799 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,799 Speaker 1: to take a risk. So I always still when I 800 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 1: passed that advice on to people, but I also even 801 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,319 Speaker 1: say it to myself. And doctor Samantha Boardman a good 802 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 1: person for you to have on this podcast. I think 803 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 1: she has this method where if you're wrestling with something 804 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 1: and you're worried about something, she said, in your mind, 805 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:30,360 Speaker 1: imagine the very best case scenario and the very worst 806 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,800 Speaker 1: case scenario. And the truth is it's not going to 807 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,600 Speaker 1: be either of those extremes. It's going to be somewhere 808 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,239 Speaker 1: in the middle and it can help calm you down. 809 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:38,239 Speaker 1: And it's so true. 810 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,160 Speaker 2: I feel like our minds have the tendency, especially as people, 811 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,760 Speaker 2: that if you're a perfectionist, you have a perfectionist mindset, 812 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,240 Speaker 2: you do always go to the extreme. 813 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,760 Speaker 1: So that is such good advice. And one time Bill Hammer, 814 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:52,520 Speaker 1: we were interviewing somebody who's hostage family out of Israel 815 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 1: and there had been a video. It was very distressing 816 00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:01,439 Speaker 1: and in the pre interview fhazed. During the commercial break, 817 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,279 Speaker 1: we have a chance to say hello, and I will 818 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,280 Speaker 1: never forget he said something so kind. He said, Okay, 819 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:12,399 Speaker 1: don't let your imagination get too far ahead. I loved that. 820 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:14,879 Speaker 1: If you're worried about your loved one and you thinking 821 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,719 Speaker 1: they're in this terrible situation, I mean, in your imagination, 822 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,360 Speaker 1: you can come up with some horrible scenarios. Let's not 823 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,080 Speaker 1: go there yet, okay. And I thought that that was 824 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:24,960 Speaker 1: so kind and told him and I've tried to use 825 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:25,680 Speaker 1: it since. 826 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,399 Speaker 2: You eventually got into broadcasting, and as we mentioned, you're 827 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 2: on one of the most watched shows. So what was 828 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,840 Speaker 2: it like going from being the press secretary to all 829 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,160 Speaker 2: of a sudden being a member of the press. 830 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:40,640 Speaker 1: Well, at first I was so reluctant and reticent because 831 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 1: on the five again, we thought it was a temporary show, 832 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:44,799 Speaker 1: so I didn't want to say anything that was going 833 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,759 Speaker 1: to preclude my ability to have like a presence or 834 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,520 Speaker 1: a PR firm. I didn't want to say anything. Plus 835 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,400 Speaker 1: I had clients, so I couldn't talk about gas prices 836 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,440 Speaker 1: because one of the companies I worked for was an 837 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,600 Speaker 1: oil company. So once I shed all of that, that 838 00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,840 Speaker 1: was helpful. But also I'd say my colleague Greg Gutthald, 839 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,239 Speaker 1: who I interview in the new book, because he's got 840 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,200 Speaker 1: great advice and amazing experiences. Not only is he funny 841 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,359 Speaker 1: and hugely successful, but he's been through a lot. And 842 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:11,719 Speaker 1: that's one of the joys of getting a little bit 843 00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,560 Speaker 1: older is passing along good advice to younger generations. And 844 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:20,520 Speaker 1: I remember one day the topic was legalization of marijuana. 845 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,360 Speaker 1: This is going back away as we've been on the 846 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,680 Speaker 1: air for fourteen years, so I know it's very common now, 847 00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,560 Speaker 1: but back then it wasn't, and I'm against it. I'm 848 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,839 Speaker 1: still against it, and I believe I'm being proven right. 849 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,040 Speaker 1: But I remember he said, what do you think of it? 850 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 1: And I started to give the Bush administration position at 851 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,680 Speaker 1: the Justice Department, and he goes, nobody you think, and 852 00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:45,080 Speaker 1: I was like, me, who cares what I think. I've 853 00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,800 Speaker 1: never been elected to anything. I don't know. I've always 854 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,399 Speaker 1: been a spokesperson for somebody else. So we talked about before. 855 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,680 Speaker 1: We haven't talked about it yet. But finding your strong voice. 856 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,600 Speaker 1: Part of that for me was also having to find 857 00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:01,360 Speaker 1: my strong voice and becolm that I could express my 858 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,680 Speaker 1: opinions and it would be okay. Fox News gives you 859 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,719 Speaker 1: that room and confidence to say what you believe, and 860 00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:09,280 Speaker 1: they back. 861 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,680 Speaker 2: You up and you can correct me if you don't 862 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,680 Speaker 2: think this is right. But I think from watching your 863 00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:18,560 Speaker 2: briefings to now watching you on Fox, there is such 864 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,920 Speaker 2: a difference in how you speak and your tone and 865 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,040 Speaker 2: kind of the confidence behind what you're. 866 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,960 Speaker 1: Could have fun now, yeah, And I actually remember Brian 867 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:30,080 Speaker 1: kill Me. I remember Brian kill Me one time he said, Wow, 868 00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:31,960 Speaker 1: I never knew you were funny. I was like, well, 869 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:33,799 Speaker 1: I didn't know I could be you know, I could 870 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,319 Speaker 1: have like a light moment here or there. But being 871 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:40,360 Speaker 1: able to just be my full self is that's pretty great. 872 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,160 Speaker 1: It's pretty great to be that way. And in America, 873 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,440 Speaker 1: as educated American women, like, there's really nothing we can't do. 874 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:48,880 Speaker 1: We just have to decide what we want to. 875 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,000 Speaker 2: Do and data and I talked about finding your strong 876 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:52,839 Speaker 2: voice on our walk and it's a quote that has 877 00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:54,840 Speaker 2: stuck with me ever since. I've been like, well, what 878 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,520 Speaker 2: is my strong voice? And it's been kind of recently 879 00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,640 Speaker 2: that I've started to figure out what it means to 880 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,440 Speaker 2: have a strong voice and then almost what it's going 881 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,480 Speaker 2: to take to get there. And I think that's one 882 00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,480 Speaker 2: of the most important processes and steps in finding that 883 00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,560 Speaker 2: strong voice. But let's break down what you mean by 884 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,680 Speaker 2: that and maybe the steps that people can take to 885 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:12,239 Speaker 2: find it. 886 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,439 Speaker 1: So I remember being a press secretary on Capitol Hill 887 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,880 Speaker 1: and my chief of staff sent me to a meeting 888 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,160 Speaker 1: and on her behalf, and I came back and she 889 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,719 Speaker 1: asked me how it went, and she said, oh, did 890 00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,080 Speaker 1: you bring up this point? And I said I had 891 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,319 Speaker 1: to admit no, I didn't. I didn't speak up in 892 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:33,040 Speaker 1: the meeting. And she said, I didn't send you there 893 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,480 Speaker 1: to be a mouse. I sent you there on my behalf. 894 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,880 Speaker 1: So and she said, you have to find your strong 895 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,960 Speaker 1: voice and represent me and the congressman at these meetings. 896 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:48,560 Speaker 1: So then I started understanding that a little bit more, 897 00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,760 Speaker 1: and then as I did more mentoring, I started seeing, 898 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,719 Speaker 1: in particular, this tendency for young women to either use 899 00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,960 Speaker 1: the vocal fry or the up talking, and I think 900 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,880 Speaker 1: it's a mask to hide their lack of confidence. So 901 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,200 Speaker 1: as when they talk like this all the time and 902 00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,920 Speaker 1: everything ends in a question, even if it's not, that 903 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,480 Speaker 1: is so annoying. And what I'm trying to explain to 904 00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,000 Speaker 1: them is it's annoying to people, but it's also going 905 00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,360 Speaker 1: to hold you back career wise. You're not going to 906 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:19,400 Speaker 1: get the job or the chance to travel for the company, 907 00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,640 Speaker 1: or be chosen to give the awards ceremony speech. You're 908 00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,800 Speaker 1: never going to get the job if you cannot find 909 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,320 Speaker 1: your strong voice. And it can mean a lot of 910 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,560 Speaker 1: different things to other people. For example, it starts when, 911 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,320 Speaker 1: especially girls, when they're young, they have to be able 912 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:40,480 Speaker 1: to order their own meal at a restaurant. If women 913 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,759 Speaker 1: at that age can't ask for what they want to 914 00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,719 Speaker 1: eat for dinner, how are they going to in the 915 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,200 Speaker 1: future ask for what they're worth at a job. It 916 00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,520 Speaker 1: matters if you have to help them when they're young. 917 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:59,960 Speaker 1: And then as mentors, we have a responsibility to take 918 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,720 Speaker 1: someone aside privately. Let's say that they're doing the up talking. 919 00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,759 Speaker 1: They don't even realize they're doing it because all their 920 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,279 Speaker 1: friends talk that way, so it sounds normal to them. 921 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,200 Speaker 1: But I'm telling you, I've seen it three or four times. 922 00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:16,200 Speaker 1: You gently say something, they can turn it off immediately. 923 00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,960 Speaker 1: And so there's that. But then also at the podium, 924 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,719 Speaker 1: there would be days when I was nervous, but if 925 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:29,040 Speaker 1: I was prepared, I could have a stronger voice. And 926 00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,319 Speaker 1: I always wanted everyone in the briefing room to know 927 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,759 Speaker 1: that I've read more than everybody in this room, so 928 00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:37,760 Speaker 1: I know more than all of you. Ask me anything 929 00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,640 Speaker 1: and have that little confidence. I still had imposter syndrome. 930 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,480 Speaker 1: I remember one day. One day I went to the 931 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,200 Speaker 1: briefing room, and I think it might have been Peter Baker, 932 00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:48,640 Speaker 1: he was at the Washington Post of the time, was 933 00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,520 Speaker 1: asking me a question, and I had one of those 934 00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,520 Speaker 1: moments of imposter syndrome where I thought, why are they 935 00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:56,120 Speaker 1: asking me? What do I know? But all of us 936 00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:56,360 Speaker 1: have that. 937 00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:58,880 Speaker 2: Everybody has it. I was just talking about it in 938 00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,279 Speaker 2: the last interview that I posted with Ryan Ballzario. She's 939 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,920 Speaker 2: an incredible actress, and we were talking specifically about imposter syndrome, 940 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,959 Speaker 2: which she's dealt with throughout her entire career. And she's said, 941 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,520 Speaker 2: Academy Award winning actresses feel this imposter syndrome when you 942 00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,839 Speaker 2: know they're incredible at their craft. And I loved what 943 00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:15,399 Speaker 2: she said, and I think you're gonna like it too. 944 00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:17,840 Speaker 2: But she said, when it comes to imposter syndrome, you 945 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,920 Speaker 2: have to feel the fear and do it anyways. 946 00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,399 Speaker 1: It does have to know that other people feel that way. Yes, 947 00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,760 Speaker 1: And Trey Goudy and Trey Goudy in this new book 948 00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,520 Speaker 1: he talks about and in his book Starts to or 949 00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,360 Speaker 1: Leave It talks very openly about how he has lived 950 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:35,719 Speaker 1: with anxiety and fear, and he said that what he 951 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,480 Speaker 1: learned is that you cannot think that fear is going 952 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,680 Speaker 1: to just totally go away. You can let it ride 953 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:46,239 Speaker 1: in the passenger seat and it'll be there and you 954 00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,000 Speaker 1: don't have to pretend it's not there. But it's not 955 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,600 Speaker 1: going to drive. You drive and it can be there 956 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,160 Speaker 1: and you can deal with it, but don't pretend like 957 00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,560 Speaker 1: it's never going to be there, because that actually helps 958 00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,560 Speaker 1: you be a little bit better. Is biological, right, So 959 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,239 Speaker 1: survival of the fittest was really because we used to 960 00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,040 Speaker 1: like run away from animals or something. Now we have 961 00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,239 Speaker 1: different fears, but we all have figure out a way 962 00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:10,840 Speaker 1: to deal with them. When you start thinking about the 963 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,480 Speaker 1: worst case scenarios all the time and let your imagination 964 00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,440 Speaker 1: run away with you, I believe that's biological and you 965 00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,560 Speaker 1: can just find ways to harness that. So can you 966 00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,480 Speaker 1: find that ability to take all that energy and to 967 00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:24,280 Speaker 1: turn it into something positive. 968 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,880 Speaker 2: Comes down to preparation, right, And it's like for me, yeah, 969 00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:28,520 Speaker 2: and I think for so many people too, because I 970 00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,799 Speaker 2: feel like the fear also can translate when you're in school. 971 00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,440 Speaker 2: If anybody's listening to this and you're in college and 972 00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,600 Speaker 2: you're you've got a midterm coming up, I'm sure that 973 00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,880 Speaker 2: midterm is stressing you out, and then you realize you 974 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:38,280 Speaker 2: get a little bit less stressed out. 975 00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:39,920 Speaker 1: As you And I actually, when I talked about the 976 00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,400 Speaker 1: woman who told me to choose love, there was another 977 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,000 Speaker 1: woman in my singles group at the church that I 978 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,520 Speaker 1: went to at the time, and she said, remember in 979 00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,359 Speaker 1: the Bible it says over and over again, fear not right. 980 00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,759 Speaker 1: Why do you think it says that right? Because it's 981 00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,360 Speaker 1: natural to be fearful. And the truth is, you don't 982 00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,040 Speaker 1: have to be fearful. And when I ask young people 983 00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,560 Speaker 1: or any really, but especially young younger people that are 984 00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,960 Speaker 1: reading any of the advice I'm giving, it's do not 985 00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:10,520 Speaker 1: worry your young life away. Enjoy your young life. You're 986 00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:11,960 Speaker 1: not going to have all the answers right now, and 987 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,399 Speaker 1: that's great, and it's okay. Like, as long as you're 988 00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:19,080 Speaker 1: getting up every day, making your bed, getting to work, 989 00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:23,440 Speaker 1: being a responsible adult, thinking ahead, going out and meeting people. 990 00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:27,840 Speaker 1: You cannot hide in your room. You cannot do COVID 991 00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,000 Speaker 1: for the rest of your life. You have to go 992 00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,960 Speaker 1: out and meet people. We are social beings and we 993 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,200 Speaker 1: have to get past that because, for example, I only 994 00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,239 Speaker 1: have I'm only sitting here with you today because I 995 00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,399 Speaker 1: went to a hockey game in nineteen ninety five. 996 00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:41,520 Speaker 2: What do you mean by that? 997 00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,560 Speaker 1: I was working on Capitol Hill answering phones for a congressman. 998 00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,560 Speaker 1: We had an opportunity to go to the Colorado Avalanche game. 999 00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,840 Speaker 1: I don't know. I know nothing about sports, you know that. 1000 00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:51,680 Speaker 1: So I got asked if I want to go to 1001 00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,759 Speaker 1: this hockey game because it was free, and I was like, oh, 1002 00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:56,399 Speaker 1: I don't know this I just come with us. I'm 1003 00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,919 Speaker 1: like Okay and Coor's Brewing company. Before the lobbying gift 1004 00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,360 Speaker 1: ban cave all of us tickets. On a chartered bus 1005 00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:05,440 Speaker 1: to go to the hockey game, I sat next to 1006 00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,239 Speaker 1: a guy named Tim Rutten and he said, so, what 1007 00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:09,600 Speaker 1: do you want to do in DC? I said, Oh, 1008 00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:11,520 Speaker 1: I'd love to work my way up to be a 1009 00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,960 Speaker 1: House press secretary. One day, he goes, oh, do you 1010 00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,600 Speaker 1: know Congressman Dan Shaffer because his pres secretary is leaving. 1011 00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,319 Speaker 1: And I said, oh, I know who he is, but 1012 00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,080 Speaker 1: I could never I just got here and I just 1013 00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,120 Speaker 1: took the job. I've only been here six weeks. They 1014 00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,759 Speaker 1: it would be so rude of me to look for 1015 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,360 Speaker 1: another job already, and he said, oh, you have no 1016 00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,239 Speaker 1: idea how this place works. And he made me meet 1017 00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,880 Speaker 1: up with that young woman, Janelle Guerrero, and that's how 1018 00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,480 Speaker 1: I got the press secretary job on Capitol Hill. But 1019 00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,560 Speaker 1: if I hadn't gone to that hockey game, nobody would 1020 00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:42,360 Speaker 1: have known I existed. 1021 00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,480 Speaker 2: You've been in the media for a while now, and 1022 00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,799 Speaker 2: the media landscape is changing. We've got new platforms popping up. 1023 00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,520 Speaker 2: And I told somebody that I would ask about this. 1024 00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:03,640 Speaker 2: So I have to ask you, know, you've done an 1025 00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:07,959 Speaker 2: incredible job delving into TikTok and Instagram and just being 1026 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,920 Speaker 2: on social media. What was it or who was it 1027 00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,640 Speaker 2: that encouraged you maybe to get online and do it? 1028 00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,080 Speaker 1: Well, if I think back on January twenty is, two 1029 00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,040 Speaker 1: thousand and nine, when I left the White House, I 1030 00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,799 Speaker 1: did not have a Twitter account or a Facebook account. 1031 00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,840 Speaker 1: It just really wasn't a thing yet. And an assistant 1032 00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:26,920 Speaker 1: I got in the next year said would you like 1033 00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,640 Speaker 1: me to set up a Twitter account for you? I said, oh, good, no, 1034 00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,840 Speaker 1: who needs that? No, she goes, I can show you 1035 00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,840 Speaker 1: how to post pictures of your dog, and I was like, Okay, 1036 00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:41,080 Speaker 1: now you're talking, let's do it. So then I realized, oh, 1037 00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:42,960 Speaker 1: this is a great place to find out about news 1038 00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,240 Speaker 1: or for people to hear what I'm thinking, and especially 1039 00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,759 Speaker 1: like with Fox. So then that develops over time. Greg 1040 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,640 Speaker 1: early on in Twitter, Greg Gutfeld and I started this 1041 00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,520 Speaker 1: Twitter war against each other. It was hilarious at least 1042 00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,200 Speaker 1: we thought so, but it gained us so many followers. 1043 00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:00,919 Speaker 1: Instagram becomes a thing. I never really was that big 1044 00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:06,080 Speaker 1: on Facebook. Instagram I liked, and then fast forward, I 1045 00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:10,879 Speaker 1: knew that younger people were getting news in a different way, 1046 00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:13,960 Speaker 1: and I still want to have access to them. I 1047 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,960 Speaker 1: want them to hear my ideas, my thoughts, my opinions, 1048 00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,160 Speaker 1: maybe argue with me, whatever it might be. But there 1049 00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,719 Speaker 1: is just so many different ways to communicate. I love 1050 00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:26,319 Speaker 1: it that I'm on the number one show in all 1051 00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,680 Speaker 1: of cable on the five and America's Newsroom does incredibly well. 1052 00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,279 Speaker 1: All of Fox does great, but I still felt like 1053 00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,160 Speaker 1: there were other places. So Fox provided some opportunities, but 1054 00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,480 Speaker 1: they also give us leeway to do our own thing. 1055 00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:42,640 Speaker 1: And last year, when there was a change in my assistant, 1056 00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,279 Speaker 1: I had said to my new assistant, I nicknamed her 1057 00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,719 Speaker 1: TikTok Kate Kate Dipetro, I said, one of the things 1058 00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,400 Speaker 1: I want to do is have more of a presence 1059 00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,000 Speaker 1: on social media. I was doing some not enough. I 1060 00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,680 Speaker 1: was like, there's more I can do here, and I 1061 00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:57,960 Speaker 1: would like you to help me. And so I talk 1062 00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,960 Speaker 1: about reverse mentoring a lot, and in a way that 1063 00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,960 Speaker 1: doesn't make me feel stupid and doesn't compromise who I 1064 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,640 Speaker 1: am or my integrity or I would never want to 1065 00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,680 Speaker 1: post something inappropriate or I would never do that. And 1066 00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:15,759 Speaker 1: she has been an incredible partner, and I have been 1067 00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:20,799 Speaker 1: pleasantly surprised, sometimes even shocked at what an effect it 1068 00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,640 Speaker 1: can have and how many people see it and remember 1069 00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,400 Speaker 1: it and remember little funny things that we do together. 1070 00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,200 Speaker 1: For example, we were on a plane. We took a 1071 00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,520 Speaker 1: picture about where do you think We're going? And I 1072 00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,440 Speaker 1: didn't know she had this sweet treat on her lap, 1073 00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:38,640 Speaker 1: The Uncrustable, but everyone saw the rapper and I don't know. 1074 00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:40,640 Speaker 1: I got like a million views or something, and it 1075 00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,160 Speaker 1: was crazy. And it's not that I want people to 1076 00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,319 Speaker 1: know about The Uncrustable, It's that I want them to 1077 00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:49,239 Speaker 1: know here is somebody in the media who I might 1078 00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,000 Speaker 1: be able to relate to and maybe trust and listen 1079 00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:53,200 Speaker 1: to right. 1080 00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,719 Speaker 2: And I feel like just by hearing how you speak, 1081 00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:59,319 Speaker 2: it's so important. For the younger generation. We talk a 1082 00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,840 Speaker 2: lot on social media about the TikTok voice or the 1083 00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:02,680 Speaker 2: social media. 1084 00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,319 Speaker 1: Voice, and take it. That's not the strong voice. It's 1085 00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:05,040 Speaker 1: not the strong voice. 1086 00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:06,920 Speaker 2: That's what you referenced before, which is that kind of 1087 00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,160 Speaker 2: seesaw tone. So having people like you that speak so 1088 00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,840 Speaker 2: eloquently is so important and. 1089 00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:18,480 Speaker 1: It shows a very healthy and successful mentoring relationship and 1090 00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,000 Speaker 1: I think people like to see that as well, that 1091 00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,640 Speaker 1: they know I'm learning from her and she's learning from me. 1092 00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,759 Speaker 1: We do gen z News. This was her idea, TikTok Kate. 1093 00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,240 Speaker 1: But it's amazing to me, Like I will see people 1094 00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,160 Speaker 1: even if she's not with me, they're like, how's Kate 1095 00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,280 Speaker 1: and getting to know somebody else. But that healthy mentoring 1096 00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,799 Speaker 1: relationship is really important for a lot of people to 1097 00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:44,799 Speaker 1: understand and see. And here's the other thing. It's made 1098 00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,799 Speaker 1: work more fun and we could all use a little 1099 00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:48,160 Speaker 1: more fun. 1100 00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,440 Speaker 2: You guys look like you're having so much fun. I 1101 00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,760 Speaker 2: have to ask, what is one thing that you've learned 1102 00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,880 Speaker 2: from TikTok Kate that you didn't expect to learn going 1103 00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:58,919 Speaker 2: into this world of social media? 1104 00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,839 Speaker 1: Learn learn that Selena Gomez and Justin Bieber dated at 1105 00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:06,240 Speaker 1: some point. I didn't know that. We have some quizzes 1106 00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,200 Speaker 1: that we do back and forth. I don't have children 1107 00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,960 Speaker 1: of my own. I have a lot of you love Percy. 1108 00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,040 Speaker 1: I have Percy, but I have a lot of friends 1109 00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:14,880 Speaker 1: that have children. And now a lot of my friends, 1110 00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,040 Speaker 1: especially the people I have mentored over the years, now 1111 00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:21,879 Speaker 1: they are having children and I enjoy being a part 1112 00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:25,080 Speaker 1: of their world and learning about it. And I think 1113 00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,920 Speaker 1: what has surprised me too is how many the breadth 1114 00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:31,000 Speaker 1: and depth of people that are on social media watching 1115 00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,279 Speaker 1: so it can be much younger people like my friend's 1116 00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,600 Speaker 1: fourteen year old daughter who loves TikTok kh wants to 1117 00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:37,480 Speaker 1: know everything about her, and then all the way up 1118 00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,680 Speaker 1: to older people who live in Bayhead are like, oh, 1119 00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:44,120 Speaker 1: I love the fashions and it's just given me another 1120 00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:48,359 Speaker 1: way to connect with people in a way that makes 1121 00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,440 Speaker 1: me happy, makes them happy. It's a little bit entertainment. 1122 00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:53,000 Speaker 1: It's a little bit lighter, and I think we could 1123 00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:54,520 Speaker 1: all use a little bit of lift. 1124 00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:56,680 Speaker 2: And it's nice for people to see the behind the 1125 00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,120 Speaker 2: scenes of everything you're doing, you know, especially the people 1126 00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,560 Speaker 2: that are tuning in every single day to watch you 1127 00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,280 Speaker 2: report the news as their trusted news sources. 1128 00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,240 Speaker 1: I didn't think people would want that sort of behind 1129 00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:08,799 Speaker 1: the same thing, but they do. They do. 1130 00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I love that you said it is nice 1131 00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,960 Speaker 2: for people to see a mentor mentee relationship. And it's 1132 00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,520 Speaker 2: also fun knowing that mentorship has been such a big 1133 00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:19,160 Speaker 2: part of your life. You see it for your writing. 1134 00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:21,840 Speaker 2: We've got a new book coming out, Dana Prino, I 1135 00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:26,359 Speaker 2: wish someone had told me, it's incredible, let's talk about it. 1136 00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,040 Speaker 2: What inspired your new book? I wish somebody had told me. 1137 00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,239 Speaker 1: A couple of things. So when I wrote everything Will 1138 00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,359 Speaker 1: Be Okay and that the subtitle is lessons for Young 1139 00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,920 Speaker 1: Women from a former Young Women, a couple of things happened. 1140 00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:38,600 Speaker 1: One my mom called me and she said, I wish 1141 00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,160 Speaker 1: somebody had told me this, And that stuck with me. 1142 00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:44,800 Speaker 1: So my mom was part of that generation of women 1143 00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,600 Speaker 1: that really paved the way for the rest of us. 1144 00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:49,799 Speaker 1: And they had to do it on their own. There 1145 00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,600 Speaker 1: were no mentors. Nobody was doing it. They figured it 1146 00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:54,880 Speaker 1: out right, So then we get a chance to follow on. 1147 00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:58,040 Speaker 1: Another thing is I had a lot of great feedback 1148 00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:01,200 Speaker 1: from young women saying, this really changed my life, but 1149 00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,480 Speaker 1: that changed your life. But what they wanted to hear 1150 00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:05,960 Speaker 1: is that you're not the only one that's having these 1151 00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,480 Speaker 1: feelings in your quarter life crisis. You're not the only 1152 00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,200 Speaker 1: one who's worried about work life balance or wondering how 1153 00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:12,480 Speaker 1: to get the job, or why is it that the 1154 00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,120 Speaker 1: guy's got the promotion instead of me. Like all of 1155 00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:18,759 Speaker 1: those feelings, it's so normal, and everyone was having them 1156 00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,520 Speaker 1: so it was very relatable. But another thing that struck 1157 00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,359 Speaker 1: me was how many young men said to me they 1158 00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,719 Speaker 1: wish there was something like that for them. Now nothing 1159 00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:31,080 Speaker 1: is preventing men from writing a mentoring book in that way, though, 1160 00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:35,520 Speaker 1: it's almost like a bridge too far. So in this book, 1161 00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:39,239 Speaker 1: I don't do it specifically for young women, and I 1162 00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:43,440 Speaker 1: talk about post COVID work life and work life balance 1163 00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:48,320 Speaker 1: and everything from starting your career, deciding what to study, 1164 00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,879 Speaker 1: deciding what kind of position that you want to go for, 1165 00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,000 Speaker 1: what kind of industry you want to work in, all 1166 00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,600 Speaker 1: the way up through retirement, and the things in between. 1167 00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:58,920 Speaker 1: But what I did in the meantime was, in this 1168 00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:01,960 Speaker 1: goal to do more or social media, I started something 1169 00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:05,440 Speaker 1: on Foxnews dot com called Short Questions with Dana Perino. 1170 00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,840 Speaker 1: I'm very short, so Short Questions with Dana Perino was 1171 00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:12,920 Speaker 1: a very scrollable type, sort of like a snackable content, 1172 00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:15,919 Speaker 1: and I would just ask people what's your favorite app, 1173 00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:18,280 Speaker 1: what's your this, what's your that? And then people loved 1174 00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,120 Speaker 1: this thing, and I got kind of bored with the questions, 1175 00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:22,200 Speaker 1: so I started asking, what's the best piece of advice 1176 00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,080 Speaker 1: you ever got, what you wish someone had told you? 1177 00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,760 Speaker 1: And I started getting such good answers that I thought, 1178 00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:30,920 Speaker 1: it's a shame not to put this in one place. 1179 00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:33,480 Speaker 1: So I feel like this book is the one stop 1180 00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:37,720 Speaker 1: shopping place for all of those worries and concerns for 1181 00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:41,320 Speaker 1: setting out on your career or if you are mid career. 1182 00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:45,080 Speaker 1: I do a lot of interviewing with parents, especially moms, 1183 00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:49,240 Speaker 1: about work life balance, raising children, having your career, making 1184 00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:51,320 Speaker 1: a choice and maybe not work for a while, come 1185 00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,640 Speaker 1: back all the way up through retirement. I mean a 1186 00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:55,280 Speaker 1: lot of people are deciding what am I going to 1187 00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,800 Speaker 1: do in retirement. I talked to Stuart Varney. He's one 1188 00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,520 Speaker 1: of my colleagues. He's in his mid seventies, rushing it 1189 00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:02,920 Speaker 1: every day, and he has asked me and for the 1190 00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,080 Speaker 1: past fifteen years, should I retire? I'm like, do you 1191 00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:05,640 Speaker 1: think you should? 1192 00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:05,840 Speaker 2: Well? 1193 00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,320 Speaker 1: Not yet, Okay, maybe not yet. So I was able 1194 00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:12,880 Speaker 1: to ask him why, and I got such good answers 1195 00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:14,840 Speaker 1: from a lot of colleagues I work with at Fox, 1196 00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,200 Speaker 1: but also people like Dirk Spentley, who's one of my 1197 00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:20,160 Speaker 1: favorite country music singers, and I've become friends with him 1198 00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,320 Speaker 1: and he's done a lot in his career. If you're 1199 00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:27,920 Speaker 1: in entertainment, you deal with a lot of rejection, so 1200 00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:29,480 Speaker 1: I asked it, how do you deal with that? How 1201 00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:31,840 Speaker 1: a lot of people are afraid of rejection, so they 1202 00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:36,640 Speaker 1: don't want to risk anything. So it's all just in 1203 00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:39,160 Speaker 1: one place. The other thing is I did one chapter 1204 00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:42,160 Speaker 1: on Dana's dews and don't and updated one on that 1205 00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:44,280 Speaker 1: so that you can get the blunt thing of don't 1206 00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:48,800 Speaker 1: wear uggs to the office, use your strong voice, things 1207 00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:50,920 Speaker 1: like that all the way up to things like the 1208 00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,800 Speaker 1: chapter where I ask everyone what's the best advice you 1209 00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:54,280 Speaker 1: ever got? 1210 00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:56,320 Speaker 2: That's one of my favorite chapters in the book, and 1211 00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:58,840 Speaker 2: you described it so well in the books. I'm really 1212 00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:00,800 Speaker 2: just going to use your words here. But the book 1213 00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:03,720 Speaker 2: is almost like a ladder where I feel like you 1214 00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:07,200 Speaker 2: can reference it at multiple times throughout your career. It's 1215 00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:10,160 Speaker 2: really not just a book that you can read all 1216 00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:11,720 Speaker 2: the way through and then never come back to you. 1217 00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:13,320 Speaker 2: I feel like it is kind of a bible in 1218 00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:15,760 Speaker 2: a way that when you're at different stages of your career, 1219 00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,640 Speaker 2: there's different chapters and different pieces of advice that might 1220 00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,080 Speaker 2: speak to you. You said in the book that your 1221 00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:24,200 Speaker 2: favorite question is what's the best advice you've ever received. 1222 00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:27,480 Speaker 2: Chapter eight is you getting advice from some of your 1223 00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,480 Speaker 2: closest friends and colleagues. So I'm curious, out of the 1224 00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:33,919 Speaker 2: advice in that chapter, what is the best advice you've received. 1225 00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:35,920 Speaker 1: It's interesting you said, so the one that came to 1226 00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,920 Speaker 1: mind just now is not something that was actually relevant 1227 00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:40,920 Speaker 1: personally to me, but it is advice that I've been 1228 00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,840 Speaker 1: giving to young women in particular. So my friend Michelle Chase, 1229 00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:49,439 Speaker 1: she is an incredible hr person. She's quoted in many 1230 00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:53,760 Speaker 1: places in this she's a mother of three. She talks 1231 00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:55,680 Speaker 1: about what it is like for women and what they 1232 00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:59,040 Speaker 1: should do when they have children. If they're going to 1233 00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:02,000 Speaker 1: take some time off of work. She says, always open 1234 01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:06,840 Speaker 1: an LLC, have a consulting business and do a little something, 1235 01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:09,680 Speaker 1: a little client work here and there. Doesn't have to 1236 01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:11,840 Speaker 1: be much. It could be a lot, whatever it is, 1237 01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:13,960 Speaker 1: because then when you decide to go back to work, 1238 01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:17,480 Speaker 1: you have something that looks like you've been doing something. Okay. 1239 01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,120 Speaker 1: The reason this matters is a lot of employers, when 1240 01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:24,160 Speaker 1: you come back to work, they'll want to reduce your pay. No, 1241 01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:27,760 Speaker 1: that's not acceptable. They don't know what you've been making. 1242 01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,280 Speaker 1: It's not that you've just been doing nothing for five years. 1243 01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:33,440 Speaker 1: You've been doing the most important job, raising the next generation, 1244 01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:36,280 Speaker 1: and you're coming back to work because you have something 1245 01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:41,040 Speaker 1: valuable to provide. I think that that practical advice for 1246 01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:43,160 Speaker 1: new moms was one of the best pieces of advice 1247 01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:43,760 Speaker 1: I've ever heard. 1248 01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:45,960 Speaker 2: And I'm not a mom yet, so I can't speak 1249 01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:49,080 Speaker 2: from experience, but I do know myself, and I feel 1250 01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:52,520 Speaker 2: like I couldn't imagine not being stimulated in some sort 1251 01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:55,600 Speaker 2: of way outside of kid worlds. I also think from 1252 01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:58,479 Speaker 2: that perspective, it's just healthy right to always keep something 1253 01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:00,360 Speaker 2: up in some way. Also like that you brought up 1254 01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,640 Speaker 2: Dirks Batley because he's the first person, and I like 1255 01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:04,760 Speaker 2: knowing that his name is pronounced Dirks because when I 1256 01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:06,400 Speaker 2: was reading it, it was one of my favorite quotes, and 1257 01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:08,840 Speaker 2: it was the first quote that you listed, and it 1258 01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:11,240 Speaker 2: makes sense that he's a country singer. The quote is 1259 01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:14,960 Speaker 2: keep flowing, keep creating, don't think too much, let's. 1260 01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:16,240 Speaker 1: Go baby Yeah. 1261 01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:19,360 Speaker 2: And some people the quotes are very long, his was 1262 01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:21,760 Speaker 2: to the point short. I love the quote good is 1263 01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,320 Speaker 2: better than perfect, and I think that's so important in 1264 01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:26,160 Speaker 2: so many different walks of life. You know, I'm not 1265 01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:28,960 Speaker 2: a perfect interviewer yet, but maybe one day I will 1266 01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:29,400 Speaker 2: be and. 1267 01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,080 Speaker 1: You'll never be perfect. And also, if you feel like 1268 01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:33,960 Speaker 1: you are, then you're done. On board. 1269 01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:36,120 Speaker 2: There's a quote that I want to pull out, and 1270 01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:38,080 Speaker 2: I don't want to get it wrong. It's from Bill 1271 01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:41,360 Speaker 2: Hammer and the quote is be humble. My mom always 1272 01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:43,960 Speaker 2: said it, and I just want to compliment you for 1273 01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:46,480 Speaker 2: a second, because you truly are one of the most 1274 01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:49,120 Speaker 2: humble people I've ever met, and you have been in 1275 01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:52,240 Speaker 2: rooms that so many people could only dream of being in. 1276 01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:54,840 Speaker 2: So I just want to thank you so much for 1277 01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:59,520 Speaker 2: being who you are and gracing our TV screens every 1278 01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:00,680 Speaker 2: day and being here with me. 1279 01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:03,959 Speaker 1: Now, thank you well. It's one of the great things 1280 01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:07,240 Speaker 1: about this whole journey has been getting to know other 1281 01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:13,560 Speaker 1: people and helping others succeed makes you more successful. And 1282 01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:16,160 Speaker 1: so the only thing I've ever asked of anybody that 1283 01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:19,840 Speaker 1: I've given mentoring advice to is to pass it on 1284 01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:20,760 Speaker 1: to the next generation. 1285 01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:24,360 Speaker 2: I love it, and it's amazing knowing that all while 1286 01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:27,280 Speaker 2: you are building this incredible career for yourself, you're also 1287 01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:28,360 Speaker 2: thinking about other people. 1288 01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:31,040 Speaker 1: Absolutely or else. What's the point, right? 1289 01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:34,240 Speaker 2: What is next for you? We've got this book coming out. 1290 01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:35,480 Speaker 2: When does the book release? 1291 01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:39,440 Speaker 1: So April twenty second is the day that it comes out, 1292 01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:42,200 Speaker 1: so right before graduation. But as you said, I think 1293 01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:45,040 Speaker 1: it kind of works for everybody. I actually think that 1294 01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:47,800 Speaker 1: this book is good for managers to give to their 1295 01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:52,000 Speaker 1: employees as well or for managers to read to get 1296 01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:54,920 Speaker 1: advice because we don't have all the answers. And one 1297 01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:56,840 Speaker 1: of the reasons I interviewed all these people is that 1298 01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:00,440 Speaker 1: I keep getting asked for more mentoring advice, but I 1299 01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:02,640 Speaker 1: don't have all the answers, So I thought, well, who 1300 01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:05,480 Speaker 1: should I ask? I asked the trusted people in my life. 1301 01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:08,040 Speaker 1: My favorite thing at this age and at this point 1302 01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:11,640 Speaker 1: in my career is that I love everything I'm doing. 1303 01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:16,000 Speaker 1: I'm not worried about what's next. I'm not anxious about 1304 01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:19,320 Speaker 1: what's next. The only thing I'm starting to worry about 1305 01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:22,280 Speaker 1: is that I don't have enough time to get it 1306 01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:24,640 Speaker 1: all done. I have some hobbies that I love, as 1307 01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:27,720 Speaker 1: some book projects that are underway in my mind, and 1308 01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:31,960 Speaker 1: I just feel like time goes by so fast, and 1309 01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:35,520 Speaker 1: I try to I would buy anybody's extra minutes if 1310 01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:38,160 Speaker 1: I could. But the most bipartisan thing in the world 1311 01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:39,760 Speaker 1: is that we all get the same amount of time 1312 01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,680 Speaker 1: every day, and using it wisely is really important. 1313 01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:47,120 Speaker 2: It's so true. And for a final question going off 1314 01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:49,960 Speaker 2: of that, knowing what you know now, what would you 1315 01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:51,800 Speaker 2: tell your twenty year old self. 1316 01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:56,320 Speaker 1: Not to worry so much? It was pointless. It's not 1317 01:03:56,320 --> 01:04:00,320 Speaker 1: that I had a bad start to my career, didn't. 1318 01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:02,480 Speaker 1: I just look back and I think how I was 1319 01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:04,520 Speaker 1: so worried about what was next and what I was 1320 01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:05,880 Speaker 1: going to do, and I was trying to plan and 1321 01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:07,640 Speaker 1: try to get ahead, and worry was I going to 1322 01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:09,960 Speaker 1: pay the bills? And it all worked out the way 1323 01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:13,440 Speaker 1: that it's supposed to. Even if I had never worried, 1324 01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:15,520 Speaker 1: it would have been worked out the way that it 1325 01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:18,440 Speaker 1: was supposed to. So I feel like my friend's advice 1326 01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:21,800 Speaker 1: about fear not is something I wish I would have done. 1327 01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:26,640 Speaker 1: And war more sunscreen always well. Thank you so much, Data. 1328 01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:30,320 Speaker 2: This was truly such an honor everybody. April twenty second, 1329 01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,120 Speaker 2: Dana's new book comes out. Get it, keep it in 1330 01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:35,280 Speaker 2: your library, revert back to it. 1331 01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:37,600 Speaker 1: That's up. Thanks so much,