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Speaker 2: So we have a whole bunch of updates for you

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Speaker 2: with regard to kil marvrego Garcia. Just before we play

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Speaker 2: you the latest, let me bring everybody up to speed

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Speaker 2: so you'll recall that he was wrongfully deported to El

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Speaker 2: Salvador country, that he had been the judicial system to

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Speaker 2: come and said you cannot deport him to El Salvador.

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Speaker 2: The government admitted the mistake, but refused to bring him

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Speaker 2: back in spite of a Supreme Court decision saying you

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Speaker 2: should try to enable his return. Okay, government ultimately kind

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Speaker 2: of buckles does allow him to come back, but charges

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Speaker 2: him with these series of crimes, including alleged human trafficking,

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Speaker 2: and sort of use that as a cover and a

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Speaker 2: allowing him back. Instead, we want to bring him back

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Speaker 2: and charge him. Okay, So in the context of that trial,

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Speaker 2: he was released pending the actual court date. So he

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Speaker 2: was released last week. Now he had to go back

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Speaker 2: to check in at the Baltimore Ice office and.

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Speaker 3: They ended up detaining him.

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Speaker 2: And I'll give you the rest of what they plan

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Speaker 2: to do next, but first let's take a look at

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Speaker 2: Abrego Garcia speaking at a rally outside of that Baltimore

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Speaker 2: Ice office before turning himself in being redetained. And we

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Speaker 2: also have some images here of him saying goodbye to

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Speaker 2: his wife, who does happen to be an American citizen.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen to this.

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Speaker 4: This is why I want to thank each and every

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Speaker 4: one one of you who marched. Lift your voices, never

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Speaker 4: stop praying, and continue to fight in my name.

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Speaker 5: You told me familiar.

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Speaker 4: Thank you to my life partner and wife, Jennifer, to

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Speaker 4: my brother Sessar, to my mother, Cecilia, to my children,

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Speaker 4: to my nieces and nephews, to all of my family.

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Speaker 2: All right, so let's go and put the next piece

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Speaker 2: up on the screen. That's a tear sheet with the

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Speaker 2: very latest development. So he turns himself in, he is

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Speaker 2: re arrested, and the government indicates that they want to

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Speaker 2: deport him to Uganda.

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Speaker 3: It can't be deported to El Salvador.

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Speaker 2: So they've decided that they want to deport him to Uganda.

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Speaker 2: That move has now been at least temporarily blocked by

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Speaker 2: a federal judge. Let me go ahead and read a

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Speaker 2: little bit of this political story to give you some

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Speaker 2: of the twists and turns here.

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Speaker 3: So they said, a.

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Speaker 2: Federal judge temporarily blocked the Trump administration's bid to deport

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Speaker 2: Kilmar Abrego Garcia, a Salvadoran man who has become a

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Speaker 2: symbol of Trump's master deportation agenda, to Uganda. This judge

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Speaker 2: on Monday ordered the administration to keep Abrego in a

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Speaker 2: to prevent immigration officials from abruptly casting himount of the

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Speaker 2: country for a second time in five months. This is

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Speaker 2: a critical part and helps to create an understanding about

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Speaker 2: what his legal challenge will be based on. So, his

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Speaker 2: human smuggling charges that he faces in Tennessee. So he

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Speaker 2: that sort of brings you, guys up to speed. He's

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Speaker 2: I think about the strength of the evidence that they

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Speaker 2: have never been able to They've never you know, no

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Speaker 2: alleged human smuggling charge is coming based on, you know,

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Speaker 2: the officers who evaluated him at the scene let him go, no.

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Speaker 3: Charges were filed, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: So the fact they want to get him out of

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Speaker 2: the country before he even has his data in court.

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Speaker 2: If this was truly some violent gang leader, human trafficker,

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Speaker 2: et cetera, you would think you would want to lock

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Speaker 1: Look, I can't deny the Trump administration. Everything they've said

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Speaker 1: has been bullshit, and that's just baguely good true. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and some of us got taken for a ride. I'll

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Speaker 1: raised my hand and I'll admit it. Basically, not only

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Speaker 1: in the original deportation, the MS thirteen stuff, the case

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Speaker 1: I read it. Most of the accusations they're not particularly

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Speaker 1: well founded, So that's the truth. They're using the Uganda

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Speaker 1: thing broadly. It seems to some sort of like pay

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Speaker 1: scheme for what is it for pleading guilty? So that's it,

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Speaker 1: and they want to make an example broadly for deportation.

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Speaker 1: So I think that's fair, And I'll put that all

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Speaker 1: out there just where people know that I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: approach this in a fair enough way. I do think

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Speaker 1: it's still worth considering, how does this guy who's lived

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Speaker 1: here since what is it? Let me get the date correctly.

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Speaker 1: Is it twenty thirteen? I'm fairly certain twenty eleven. I

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Speaker 1: apologize twenty eleven. And he doesn't speak a word of

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Speaker 1: that acceptable? And that's the more broad question that I

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Speaker 1: think all of us need to answer here. Abrego Garcia

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Speaker 1: illegally entered our country in twenty and eleven. He was

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Speaker 1: not removed during that entire period. He came actually as

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Speaker 1: should be allowed to stay here and get some sort

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Speaker 1: of pathway to citizenship. In my opinion, it all falls

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Speaker 1: apart for his whole deportation to Uganda thing, when his

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Speaker 1: lawyer quite literally says, with a straight face, you can't

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Speaker 1: deport him to a country where he doesn't speak the English.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't speak the language, D four, Please let's go ahead

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Speaker 1: and play it.

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Speaker 6: It is preposterous that they would send him to Africa,

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Speaker 6: to a country where he does he even speak the language,

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Speaker 6: a country that documented human rights violations, when there are

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Speaker 6: so many other options. This family suffered enough, they need

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Speaker 6: to stop trying to separate them.

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Speaker 1: The official language of Uganda is English. That is a

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Speaker 1: tacit admission that he doesn't speak the language of English.

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Speaker 1: This is the point that I think people really need

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Speaker 1: to grapple with.

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Speaker 3: Isn't it English and Swahili?

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, but I mean English is one of their

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Speaker 1: official languages. My point is just more broadly, that he

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Speaker 1: has lived here since twenty eleven, doesn't speak English his

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Speaker 1: day labor, by his own admission, has literally been in

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Speaker 1: this country for more more than a decade. And this

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Speaker 1: is the type of person that we are supposed to

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Speaker 1: say should get amnesty in a pathway decisionship, I think

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Speaker 1: everyone should sit with that like that is for possible.

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Speaker 1: We've just had an argument earlier in our show about

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Speaker 1: the best and the Brightest. That's not what this looks like.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not putting him down as a human being.

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Speaker 1: I don't think his human worth is less his worth

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Speaker 1: to the United States. As an addition, and if we

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Speaker 1: were to legalize that person statistically, what happens to somebody

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Speaker 1: who doesn't have a high school education, who doesn't speak

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Speaker 1: they can be on welfare. Okay, that's just the basic truth.

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Speaker 2: But he's not, And in fact, you're not right that

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Speaker 2: he's a day laborer, he's a sheet metal worker. No

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Speaker 2: Local one hundred, Smart Local one hundred in Maryland who

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Speaker 3: Process of all of this.

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Speaker 2: And I'm also curious what you make of the rights

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Speaker 2: Trump administration made a mistake in their deportation of him,

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Speaker 2: violated a lawful court order, and.

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Speaker 3: Refuse to make life.

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Speaker 2: I'm acknowledging that that's why they're making an example of

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Speaker 2: smearing him in the public eye, and so I just

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Speaker 2: I disagree on I disagree on every level with your

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Speaker 3: You know, I think the fact that he's.

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Speaker 2: A sheep metal worker apprentice, yes, I think that's important.

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Speaker 3: I think that's valuable to the country.

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Speaker 2: He's clearly assimilated enough to have American wife and America

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Speaker 2: is that's a.

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Speaker 1: Commentary on America though, that you can live here and

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Speaker 1: That's a huge problem. I don't know that. I don't

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Speaker 1: know how this is I don't know how this is acceptable, Sager.

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Speaker 3: Here's the other thing, though, I don't even know that.

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Speaker 2: Like, there's a big difference between being able to speak

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Speaker 2: in front of media and feel comfortable in your level

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Speaker 2: of fluency. Okay, those are two very different things. So

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Speaker 2: I haven't personally administered an English language test to him.

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Speaker 2: I know you haven't either, So you know, to hinge

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Speaker 2: his citizenship and whether or not he should be punished

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Speaker 2: and used in this way on what his level of

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Speaker 2: fluency is in the English language, I think is prepossible.

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Speaker 1: Why is possibly merely he hasmulated, you can't speak enough English?

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Speaker 1: In English? Why should you be a Really he.

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Speaker 2: Has assimilated enough to be fully integrated into a work community,

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Speaker 2: into a social community, into having again an American citizen

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Speaker 2: wife and kids. And I think it's thoroughly disgusting that

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Speaker 2: the Trump administration, rather than admit they made a mistake,

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Speaker 2: has sought to absolutely destroy this man in order to

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Speaker 3: That is really the cool what's going on.

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Speaker 1: That's why I'm separating the two because I agree with you. Okay,

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Speaker 1: they lied to us. It's absolutely true, one hundred percent,

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Speaker 1: absolutely one hundred percent. They're smearing him. They deported him wrongfully.

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Speaker 2: It does not offend me the way that it does.

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Speaker 1: For his motivation. No, the motivation again should not be

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Speaker 1: I'm not putting down as worth as a human. I

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Speaker 2: Here's what busters and me, Sager is, I don't look

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Speaker 2: Thrilled that this MS thirteen gang number human traffick or

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Speaker 3: Removal to Uganda.

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Speaker 2: That the government, which has infinitely more power than k

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Speaker 3: Honestly, it's irrelevant to me whether he's an American.

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Speaker 2: A government that will do this to him, will do

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Speaker 1: Yes, who was here illegally? And when you do that

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Speaker 2: Our immigration system is meant to enable American citizens to

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Speaker 1: Well, okay, let's flip it around. If it didn't, if

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Speaker 1: there was an English pref if there was an English

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Speaker 1: language proficiency, if you had a let's say, decade long

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Speaker 1: track record where you could prove that you not only

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Speaker 1: had the skills to actually get some sort of some

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Speaker 1: sort of not only education, had the education requirement, had

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Speaker 1: the ability the skills to make sure that you're never

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Speaker 1: going to be on welfare, that you're going to be additive.

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Speaker 1: If you could actually prove that your job and what

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Speaker 1: you're adding to America would not be able to depress

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Speaker 1: or be used as some sort of H one B

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Speaker 1: style cutout, then maybe I would, as long as there

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Speaker 1: was also stringent and massive enforcement on illegal immigration. But

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Speaker 1: that's not the system. And that's why I don't entertain

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Speaker 1: the amnesty or any of that right now, because I

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Speaker 1: know it basically is a blank check giveaway to all

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Speaker 1: of the people here with none of the same requirements.

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Speaker 1: This is the problem too, about the broader conversation I

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Speaker 1: think around immigration. You know, specifically, like what you're saying earlier,

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Speaker 1: the conflation of skilled and unskilled makes it so be

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Speaker 1: like Oh, well, broadly together, they're all the same.

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Speaker 3: But don't you know all immigration.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't oppose all immigration, no oc current system.

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Speaker 1: So let's explain again. When I oppose immigration, I'm saying

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Speaker 1: in the interim period we need an immigrate more etorium

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Speaker 1: because we have so many tens of millions of foreign

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Speaker 1: born citizens, which is causing again, in my opinion, mass

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Speaker 1: social chaos. I didn't say no immigration forever. I think

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Speaker 1: probably for the next twenty maybe twenty five years. I

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Speaker 1: think it's important now if you look at it broadly.

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Speaker 1: What I mean, Look, I think it is adaptuange the country.

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Speaker 1: It's already been for Americans. I think it'd be bad

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Speaker 1: for everyone. And I just I don't agree with your

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Speaker 1: assessment that immigrants are the cause of like social chaos.

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Speaker 1: But there's you know this massive Often you have a

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Speaker 1: society non assimilation, there's you know, an actuality. The studies

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Speaker 1: that have been done have found that new immigrants in

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Speaker 1: this era assimilate into American culture much faster, partly because

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Speaker 1: American culture is so globally dominant that there's already a

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Speaker 1: lot of sort of American culture spread around the world,

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Speaker 1: and so the you know, acquisition of whatever you know,

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Speaker 1: sort of core American cultural traits are happens at a

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Speaker 1: much faster clip than it did in previous generation. How

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Speaker 1: can it continue to go a pace when you're adding

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Speaker 1: one point five million more per year and you have

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Speaker 1: pockets of people who don't speak any English and which

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Speaker 1: apparently it's not even a societal expectation that you can

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Speaker 1: live here for over a decade. I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: the reason though that probably want is because we have

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Speaker 1: no understanding.

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Speaker 2: Want to motivate people to learn English. If that's a

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Speaker 2: specific thing, there's a very clear way to do that.

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Speaker 2: You create a pathway to citizenship that is contingent on

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Speaker 2: some sort of English language acquisition, which I certainly would

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Speaker 2: be okay with, and I think most Democrats would support.

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Speaker 1: That's not what you want. I actually don't think that

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Speaker 1: they would support it because it would have to be paired.

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Speaker 2: With as they have long This has long been the

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Speaker 2: standard as Democratic Party physicians since you know, but probably before.

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Speaker 1: Because but they don't believe in the actual enforcement and

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Speaker 1: the deportation where it's not true.

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Speaker 2: Barago, wom again was the deporter in chief. Jill Biden

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Speaker 2: deported more people than Donald Trump deported. Okay, so it's

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Speaker 2: such a canard that Democrats are open borders.

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Speaker 1: It's for the ten to twelve million people illegally enter

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Speaker 1: the country under the last administration. Even if Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: deported quote more numbers, ten to twelve million people are

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Speaker 1: here illegally because of him. It's a basic fact. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, it's a huge reason why the election

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Speaker 1: was lost. This is the lack of grappling. And you're

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Speaker 1: saying the lack of enforcement, because what it comes down

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Speaker 1: to it is not everybody's going to pass those stringent

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Speaker 1: requirements that we just laid out. So what happens, they

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Speaker 1: got to go and when times for them to go, well,

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Speaker 1: that's when I know again, Oh everybody comes bleeding hard

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Speaker 1: and nobody's ever supposed to lay. The thing is nobody

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Speaker 1: actually believes in sitting him back.

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Speaker 2: This is where I think there is I'm confused by

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Speaker 2: your position. And then you know, we can we can

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Speaker 2: wrap this Out'll let you have the last word. We

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Speaker 2: can wrap this up and move on because you don't

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Speaker 2: want any immigration. But then you're also saying, well, you

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Speaker 2: would theoretically support a pathway to citizenship that has English language,

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Speaker 2: but then you don't think Democrats will support it, Like,

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Speaker 2: what do you actually what do you actually think is

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Speaker 2: the English language thing important? It just seems to me

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Speaker 2: that you think immigrants are bad for society, and I disagree.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't think.

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Speaker 2: I think immigrants have been the probably most important part

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Speaker 2: of America developing into the country that it is. I

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Speaker 2: look at kill Mar and Brego Garcia, and I see

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Speaker 2: someone who's been a valuable member who isn't on welfare,

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Speaker 2: who did is a sheet metal of right on.

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Speaker 1: Welfare because he's not a citizen. Like it's not like

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Speaker 1: this is my point.

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Speaker 3: But my point is working like you, I don't know

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Speaker 3: what more you.

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Speaker 1: Want when people who worked aren't on welfare. That's come on,

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Speaker 1: like the forty percent of the country's on food stamps

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Speaker 1: right now, as if they're not all working. Like that's

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Speaker 1: my point is that if you have a low wage

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Speaker 1: and you're unable to actually idification.

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Speaker 2: That he's some like, you know, bottom feeder, it can't

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Speaker 2: support himself. Not that i'm you know, those people in

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Speaker 2: that way. So it's just to bring it back.

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Speaker 3: It's I don't.

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Speaker 2: Get how you can look at this story and not

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Speaker 2: be first and foremost horrified by the abuse of power

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Speaker 2: by this government against people who are genuinely powerless in

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Speaker 2: this system, and be concerned about what that means for

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Speaker 2: all of us, immigrant and non immigrant.

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Speaker 1: I think, as I've said, I take your point, and

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Speaker 1: to the extent it has affected Americans, I have spoken

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Speaker 1: out against it. I do think the Trump administration's actions

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Speaker 1: have not only been outrageous but deeply damaging to the

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Speaker 1: cause that I actually support. And just to wrap it

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Speaker 1: all together, for what you were saying, you were saying

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Speaker 1: I think that all immigrants are bad for the country. No,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that. I think that more immigrants would

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Speaker 1: be bad for the country. When I say could I

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Speaker 1: conceptually could I conceptually see a pathway to citizenship perhaps

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Speaker 1: if paired with stringent enforcement, very high standards for who

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Speaker 1: those people were, and no more future immigration. All of

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Speaker 1: these things are actually non contradictory because what they come

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Speaker 1: to boards is to try and have a society which

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Speaker 1: can actually hash out its differences and have a civic

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Speaker 1: understanding and not be one of ethnic pockets which creates

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Speaker 1: huge strife. Basically, and as degrades are overall social fabric,

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Speaker 1: which I believe is the current system as it is

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Speaker 1: right now, deportation and enforcement is very important until I

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Speaker 1: see any particular movement on that. That's why we shouldn't

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Speaker 1: even entertain so called pathway to citizens shop citizenship talk,

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Speaker 1: and especially if it were to be paired with the

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Speaker 1: current endorse of the system, which brings some one point

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Speaker 1: five million people new people into the country every single year.

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Speaker 1: All that would do, in my opinion, is poor gasoline

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Speaker 1: on all the fire. Individually, much of these things work together.

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Speaker 1: Part of the reason why the Republican Party is where

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Speaker 1: it is today of no amnesty and basically broke the

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Speaker 1: twenty thirteen consensus, is because it seems like the amnesty

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Speaker 1: always happened like it did under Reagan, and then the

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Speaker 1: deportation in the enforcement continues to slow as while the

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Speaker 1: Immigration of the Is Act of nineteen sixty five remains

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Speaker 1: in place with the current USCIS numbers that are put

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Speaker 1: into place, which brings some one point five million people

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Speaker 1: on over and over and over again, and with the

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Speaker 1: highest foreign born population since the early nineteen hundreds, which

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Speaker 1: I will remind you was followed by an immigration massive

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Speaker 1: immigration restriction. There were a lot of problems with that bill.

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Speaker 1: It was explicitly racist, and it kind of caused the

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Speaker 1: Japanese to go away from US. I don't believe in

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Speaker 1: racial quotas or any of that to be implemented, but

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Speaker 1: it had a lot of net social benefits. Actually, if

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Speaker 1: you look at the way that we had immolation over

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Speaker 1: some forty year period, and I do think that people

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Speaker 1: need to grapple deeply with the fact that we have

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Speaker 1: currently part of our social fabric and destruction is not

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Speaker 1: just economic. A huge part of it is civic. And

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Speaker 1: it comes down to the fact that we have millions

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Speaker 1: of people who entered this country illegally and are somehow,

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Speaker 1: you know, seen as more American, you know, than the

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Speaker 1: rest of us, or better actually citizens, because that's the

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Speaker 1: way that a lot of the Democratic leaders actually even

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Speaker 1: talk about them. I mean, I saw Amy Klobachar and others.

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Speaker 1: It's like a quasi system. And actually, as a someone

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Speaker 1: who is a child, it's offensive, you know, to say

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Speaker 1: that we're somehow like better than others. I hate this

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Speaker 1: whole model minority thing that people always talk about with Indians.

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Speaker 1: It's like, no, that's preposterous because it's saying that, like,

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Speaker 1: we're better than the people who are already here. No,

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Speaker 1: we're all the same, and we should strive to actually

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Speaker 1: all kind of be the same and to reach that understanding.

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Speaker 1: That's my broad thing. You're happy to respond.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, immigrants aren't the problem, okay.

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Speaker 2: I mean the billionaire class that has rigged the system

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Speaker 2: that pits us against each other and makes it into

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Speaker 2: some freaking zero sum game that yes delights and paying

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Speaker 2: people under the table and violating their labor rights, that's

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Speaker 2: a problem. And if you want to deal with, you know,

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Speaker 2: the tearing of social fabric and the you know, societal strife,

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Speaker 2: the best thing you could do is to make sure

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Speaker 2: people can get a good job with a high wage

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Speaker 2: and have access to healthcare and housing, and for that

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Speaker 2: to be affordable, and for people to be able to

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Speaker 2: feel again like it is possible to aspire to a

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Speaker 2: middle class life.

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Speaker 3: And I think immigrants have.

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Speaker 2: Very little to do with that, and generally are positive

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Speaker 2: in terms of their contribution to society and helping to

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Speaker 2: people to achieve.

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Speaker 1: This will be the central question of our time. By

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Speaker 1: the way, I'm probably going to lose this fight, just

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Speaker 1: so everybody knows, thanks to most of the actions of

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Speaker 1: the Trump administration, which I've got my eyes very wide

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Speaker 1: open to So just in case anybody is wondering which direction,

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Speaker 1: you're probably win Crystal. After the Trump administration is out

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Speaker 1: of power, in my opinion, let's get to Israel.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we covered this horrible story yesterday, and I

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Speaker 2: am going to play the video again just as a reminder,

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Speaker 2: and you know, warning before I play it that it

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Speaker 2: is deeply disturbing. The IDF struck NASA Hospital, which is

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Speaker 2: the large, most significant hospital in the Gaza Strip at

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Speaker 2: this point, and then they waited fifteen minutes for journalists

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Speaker 2: to arrive to document the damage, for ambulance crews, civil

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Speaker 2: defense personnel to come in to rescue those who had

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Speaker 2: been impacted. They waited fifteen minutes, and then they struck again.

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Speaker 2: They murdered I believe it was twenty people, five of

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Speaker 2: them journalists by the way, and also again a number

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Speaker 2: of civil defense workers that bombing. That strike was caught

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Speaker 2: on camera. Again, warning, this is disturbing. Let's take a

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Speaker 2: look us so you can see them just blown apart

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Speaker 2: and the damage was utterly catastrophic.

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Speaker 3: So, because you had five.

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Speaker 2: Journalists killed, number of whom actually work for Western outlets,

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Speaker 2: there was a significant outcry you know this. When this

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Speaker 2: happens to Palestinians who aren't attached to any sort of

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Speaker 2: Western organization, this just happens, and no one says a

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Speaker 2: goddamn thing. But because these journalists, courageous journalists, were working

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Speaker 2: for Western outlets, there was a bit of an outcry,

658
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Speaker 2: including some comments from President Trump that will play you

659
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Speaker 2: in a moment. So in response, the Israelis did what

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Speaker 2: they have done occasionally when they felt this sort of

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Speaker 2: international pressure.

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Speaker 3: They've claimed this was a mishap. Oh, We're so sorry.

663
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Speaker 2: We're going to launch a full invest litigation to find

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Speaker 2: out what went wrong.

665
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Speaker 3: As if this isn't.

666
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 2: Part and parcel standard issue israelly government IDF policy. Here

667
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Speaker 2: is a spokesperson for the IDF issuing a statement in English,

668
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Speaker 2: by the way, expressing how they're going to look into

669
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Speaker 2: this and how they're going to launch an investigation.

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Speaker 5: We are aware of reports that harm was caused to civilians,

671
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Speaker 5: including journalists. I would like to be clear from the

672
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Speaker 5: start the IDF does not intentionally target civilians. Has begun

673
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Speaker 5: this war, created impossible fighting conditions, and is preventing its

674
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Speaker 5: end by still holding fifty of our hostages. Having said that,

675
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Speaker 5: as a professional military committed to international law, we are

676
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Speaker 5: obligated to investigate our operations thoroughly and professionally. The Chief

677
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 5: of the General Staff has instructed that an inquiry be

678
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Speaker 5: conducted immediately to understand the circumstances of what happened and

679
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 5: how it happened. As always, we will present our findings

680
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Speaker 5: as transparently as possible. We regret any harm to uninvolved

681
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Speaker 5: individuals and are committed to continue fighting.

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Speaker 2: Hamas we regret any harm Saga. We don't intentionally target civilians.

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Speaker 2: Let me just lay on for you, guys. This came

684
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Speaker 2: out recently. Even by the Israeli military's official figures, they

685
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Speaker 2: say that eighty three percent of the dead are civilians,

686
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Speaker 2: and we know that is actually far below what the

687
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Speaker 2: actual percentage of civilians is because they count all men,

688
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Speaker 2: basically all men over the age of like fifteen, as

689
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Speaker 2: being humas or some sort of militant. Even by their standards,

690
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Speaker 2: eighty three percent of those who have been killed were civilians.

691
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Speaker 2: So at this point for them to claim that they, oh,

692
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 2: they don't intentionally target civilians, and oh, we regret this mishap,

693
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Speaker 2: We're going to look into it. We're going to investigate

694
00:33:58,360 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 2: I don't know who believes the scrapet.

695
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Speaker 1: What was crazy to me was actually the initial response

696
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: was let's put E three please up on the screen.

697
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: This is really important. Originally, the Channel fourteen in Israel

698
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: said that this was Hamas's Noser headquarters and said that

699
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,720
Speaker 1: they had quote identified a surveillance camera used for intelligence gathering,

700
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Speaker 1: saying it was used by Hamas militants, and then fired

701
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: the tank shell to quote neutralize the threat. The strike

702
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: was approved and coordinated with senior command. They knew about

703
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: it before it was being carried out. It was only

704
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: after it was caught on video basically on what live

705
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,280
Speaker 1: television that they came back and they're like, oh, actually

706
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: it was a mishap. Like no, I mean, it is

707
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: just emblematic of everything that we've seen on camera with

708
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Speaker 1: Tony whenever we interviewed him. Here, the former Green Beret

709
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: HF whistle player is shoot first, ask questions later, if

710
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: at all, and basically fire at will if you want to.

711
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 1: Everything is cameras are hum any camera there is Hamas.

712
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: The degradation of a hospital or of any civilian infrastructure, reporters,

713
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Speaker 1: et cetera. They all deserve to die. Initially, By the way,

714
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Speaker 1: a lot of the prose earl accounts were saying that

715
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Speaker 1: the journalists and or others of people who were killed

716
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: in the strike were all Hamas anyway, so why do

717
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: we even care? And then the IDF clowns them because

718
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: they say what do they say? They're like, well, actually

719
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: it was a mistake. After they've spent hours justifying the

720
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Speaker 1: strike all hamas.

721
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Speaker 2: And I want to we can we can play a

722
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 2: little bit of let's see what is this D five.

723
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Speaker 3: This is one of the women. One of the journalists

724
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Speaker 3: who was killed.

725
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Speaker 2: Is a woman who's featured in this video that was

726
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 2: put out to support Gaza's journalists women. That's her actually

727
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 2: right there. Her name is Ariam Abu Dhaga. Apparently another

728
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 2: one of the women who was featured in this video.

729
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 2: Her husband was killed by the Israelis. And you know,

730
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Speaker 2: I just want to like put a name to these individuals.

731
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 2: They're not just you know, statistics in all of this,

732
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 2: even though, of course there's so many you could never

733
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 2: say all of their names. Hassam al Masri, who was

734
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 2: a Reuter's contractor, Mohammed Salama and al Jazeer worked for

735
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 2: Al Jazeer as a cameraman. As I said before, Mariam

736
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 2: Abu Daga, she was freelance, worked with AP and others,

737
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 2: has incredible photo journalists. By the way her work people

738
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 2: have been sharing it is just extraordinary. Ahmed Abu Azi's

739
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 2: freelance contributed to Middle East I and others, and MOA's

740
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 2: Abu Taha who was freelance and contributed some to Reuters

741
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 2: and other outlets. And you know the way that these outlets,

742
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 2: even when their own people were murdered, covered this was

743
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 2: also shameful. But that's the reason why the IDF even

744
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 2: felt the need to pretend like they cared and like

745
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 2: this was a mishap, and you know, something that they

746
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 2: don't do every single day. We are now at somewhere

747
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 2: around two hundred and fifty journalists who've been killed by

748
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 2: the IDF, and it's really clear like they don't want

749
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 2: people to be there to document their genocide. That's why

750
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 2: they don't allow international journalists from outside to come in.

751
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 2: That people we're talking about Eureal Palestinians who work freelance

752
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 2: for these various news organizations, so that those news organizations

753
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 2: have some sort of a window into what is happening

754
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 2: inside of the Gaza strip. Israeli government doesn't allow journalists

755
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 2: in because they don't want their war crimes documented, and

756
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 2: then they directly target journalists also like Anas and his

757
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 2: whole crew for Al Jazeera, because they don't want people

758
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 2: to see what they are doing on the ground. The

759
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 2: tactic that they use documented by nine seven to two

760
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 2: magazine of these double tap strikes. This is also standard

761
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 2: issue protocol. They will hit something in this case of hospital,

762
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 2: then they will wait fifteen minutes for journalists, aid workers,

763
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,760
Speaker 2: rescue crews, everyone to gather, and then they will strike

764
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 2: it again. It is literally a tactic of terrorists that

765
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: is a terrorist, that's what we're talking about here, and

766
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 2: they do.

767
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Speaker 3: It all the time.

768
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Speaker 2: One last note on NASA Hospital is all the doctors

769
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Speaker 2: that we've talked to American doctors who we've spoken to

770
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Speaker 2: after they've come back to Gaza to relay their experience there,

771
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 2: at least the once we've talked to recently, they all

772
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 2: go to NASA Hospital. That is the hospital as closest

773
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 2: to these IDF AID distribution sites that end up in

774
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 2: AID massacres on every according to the doctors on a

775
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 2: daily basis, and NASA Hospital is the one that receives

776
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 2: most of the casualties from those massed casualty incidents. So

777
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 2: this is a very important part also of the medical

778
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 2: infrastructure which has been you know, I mean, the whole

779
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 2: medical infrastructure in Gaza has just been attacked and decimated

780
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 2: and destroyed. But you have a lot of international doctors

781
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 2: from America and around the world who are at NASA Hospital,

782
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 2: and that's the place that they're attacking.

783
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just utterly and.

784
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: If they killed them insane, I mean yeah, I mean,

785
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: imagine the.

786
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 3: Tuition will investigate ourselves twist.

787
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: In the turns that Mike Huckabee and other people would

788
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: twist them and put themselves in if the American doctor

789
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: was killed there. It really is just disgraceful. All right,

790
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: So we go ahead and play Trump and his reaction.

791
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: Let's get to it.

792
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 7: Israeli's mom the hospital in Daza that killed twenty people,

793
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 7: including five journalists. This happened overnight today. I didn't know

794
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 7: any reaction to this. I got to talk to you

795
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 7: about it. I don't want to see it. At the

796
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 7: same time, we have to end that all nightmare. Right now,

797
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,280
Speaker 7: they're talking about Gaza City. There's always talking about something.

798
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,959
Speaker 7: At some point it's going to get settled, and I'm saying,

799
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 7: you better get it settled soon. You have to get

800
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 7: it settled soon. And that means, you know, nobody can

801
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 7: forget October seventh. With that being said, it's got to

802
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 7: get over with It's got to get over with it,

803
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 7: because between the hunger and all of the other probably

804
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 7: worse than hunger death, pure death, people being killed. It's

805
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 7: a terrible situation. Over the terrible, terrible situation. But it's

806
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 7: coming to a head. It's coming to an end. I

807
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 7: think within the next two to three weeks you're gonna

808
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:06,720
Speaker 7: have pretty good, conclusive, conclusive ending.

809
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: So you could see he says it needs to come

810
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: to an end, and it will come to an end

811
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: in two to three weeks. That is a news, I

812
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: think to the Israeli government, who wants to continue this

813
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: thing basically forever.

814
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,439
Speaker 2: Who didn't even respond to the latest he sees fire

815
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 2: proposal that Hamas exp.

816
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: Literally, which as I understand it, that was the most

817
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: ground they had given, and it sees fire proposal. Look,

818
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: they want endless war. Trump and these people they just

819
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: they either don't understand it, do understand it, and just

820
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: continue to talk outsides of their mouth. I tend to

821
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: think Trump doesn't understand it. I think he takes a

822
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: lot of this baby shit seriously, Like I think it

823
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: gets on the phone and Bibe's like, yes, yes, we're close,

824
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: we're close, We're close, And he's like, well he told

825
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 1: me he was close. Like, it's about the deference, do

826
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Speaker 1: you think so? I really do, because at this point,

827
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: what is the alternative for what's happening is that you know,

828
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: the alternative right now is total different to Israeli policy

829
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: is an absolute obfuscation and removal of American leadership, of

830
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: American control over this proxy state, and instead they do

831
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 1: what they want to do and accepting their lives or

832
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: whatever their policy is without any strategic understanding. And then

833
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: we had Shahead on yesterday, and anybody who says otherwise,

834
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: get rid of them. Yeah. Right, that's it.

835
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 2: You guys need to listen to that interview if you haven't,

836
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 2: because not only does he expose that that you.

837
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Speaker 3: Can't even diverge.

838
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 2: He got fired for being like, guys, we're not supposed

839
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 2: to catch you day in Samaria. It's the West Bank

840
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 2: that has been standard issue government policy forever.

841
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 3: But that was a bridge too far. Also, he was like,

842
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 3: you know, we should I guess.

843
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 2: We don't write, guys, we don't support removing Palestinian to

844
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 2: what was a Soudan that he objected to, specifically Salsudan,

845
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 2: And they're like, no, you got to go. Sorry, you're

846
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 2: too much of a pro Palestine activist here. This again

847
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 2: standard issue problem stuff from the Biden administration, from the

848
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 2: first Trump administration, from the Obama administration.

849
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 3: You can, George w but you could go.

850
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 2: All back and back and back, and now that is

851
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 2: out of bounds. The other thing that was important to

852
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 2: get from him is that who is running our policy

853
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 2: towards Israel at this point, and based on his assessment,

854
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 2: it's pretty much my Kokaby. It's pretty much my Kakaby

855
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 2: and his aide whose name I'm blanking on Milstein, who

856
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,439
Speaker 2: was critical in getting Shahooed fired apparently. And Huckabee, as

857
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 2: we know, is an absolute end Times psycho. That is

858
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 2: who is he is a religious zealot who is not

859
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 2: pushing Israeli policy because it's in America's interest. It's because

860
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 2: he has a certain religious ideological fringe belief and that

861
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 2: is what more than anything at this point appears to

862
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 2: be guiding US policy visa VI. You know this quote

863
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 2: unquote ally that we send billions of dollars to year

864
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 2: in order to create and cause this absolute horror. So

865
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 2: that's where we are there. Trump's like, oh, it's going

866
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 2: to be over in a few weeks, Like what are

867
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:09,240
Speaker 2: you talking about?

868
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:09,879
Speaker 3: His way?

869
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 2: It's almost worthless to listen to what he has It

870
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 2: just confuses issues more to even listen what he has

871
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 2: to say, because there's zero sign that there's anything other

872
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Speaker 2: than endless death, destruction, ethnic cleansing, attacks on hospitals, murdering

873
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 2: of journalists for the indefinite future, based on what we

874
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 2: actually see happening, not whatever bullshit falls out of Donald

875
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Speaker 2: Trump's mouth.

876
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 1: I don't gay it. I think broadly what it is

877
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: is that Trump and them view it like Ukraine, it's intractable,

878
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 1: and by intractable, leave it up to how it goes.

879
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: It is the expert, Yeah exactly. And that and also

880
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: because the part of the coalition which is all that

881
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,720
Speaker 1: enthused about it is mostly in the Democrats. They're like, yeah, fine,

882
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: they don't seem to understand the damage that it's doing

883
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 1: to them broadly, not just with young people. But even

884
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,959
Speaker 1: with younger Republicans, and to be honest, I'm not sure

885
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: they even care anymore because they paid a lot of

886
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: lip service podcasters, and all of a sudden they don't.

887
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: They just don't. Their view is we're America, bitch, it's

888
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: our second term. We can do whatever we want. And

889
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: that really basically defines all of their actions if you're

890
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: looking for like a through line in it. They have

891
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: no time for anybody who jumps off, even people who

892
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: have good faith criticisms like shot. I mean, it was

893
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: not some mouth breathing liberal like did you have that

894
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 1: same takeaway. He was a guy who was like, look,

895
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 1: I'm a descending view. I'm on the inside. I'm gonna

896
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: try and work it to the best I can. But

897
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: I mean, he wrote a tweet that said, make gods

898
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,720
Speaker 1: a beautiful again. All right, this is not like literally

899
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: like he drafted that tweet for Secretary Rubio. Right, that's problematic.

900
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: Last time I checked, Like, he's not some he's not

901
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: some pink hair code pinker.

902
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 3: He wasn't trying to do some revolution exactly.

903
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: He was just like, hey, guys, like you know, this

904
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: is a little bit you know, this isn't a boom done.

905
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,919
Speaker 1: You know, and I think that's that's the scary part.

906
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 3: Yeah about this absolutely speaking of journalists under attack.

907
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: Yes, we over Breaking Points. Wow, Free Press has really

908
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: upset about journalists against journalism. That's where they're calling us.

909
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 1: Is going to put this up here on the screen.

910
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,919
Speaker 1: We can go ahead and read from their editorial. They

911
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: ran an entire piece here defending their piece quote unquote

912
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: debunking how pictures of twelve guys and children who were

913
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Speaker 1: held up as famine victims actually had pre existing conditions.

914
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: So they quoted us from our show. Thank you for

915
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 1: tuning in, by the way, already over at the Free Press,

916
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: appreciate they say to Crystal Ball, host of Breaking Points,

917
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: our journalism was quote just so disgusting. Sure, Ball's co

918
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 1: host Sager and Jetty chimed in to compare our reporters

919
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 1: to Holocaust deniers, saying that a key tenant of Holocaust

920
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: denial is trying to claim that many of initial victims

921
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: or reported victims had other preconditions and that's part of

922
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: the reason why they died.

923
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 2: True.

924
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that is an empirical fact. I was

925
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: stating a fact. And new people are the ones who

926
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 1: are supposedly so concerned about Holocaust and iles, so maybe

927
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: you should learn something about it, And they say quote

928
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 1: those who care about the truth will note that these

929
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 1: children were not presented as the initial victims of anything.

930
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: They were deceptively promoted to reflect the average Gossin to

931
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: suggest otherwise betrays a fleeting relationship with reality. Ball and Jettie,

932
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 1: you are not alone. Glenn Greenwald, a so called self

933
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: proclaimed free speech appictors, argued not just for our censorship,

934
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 1: but for our trial at the Hague. Here he didn't

935
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: say you should be shut down, he said you should

936
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 1: be tried. And Barack Obama's former National security advisor Ben

937
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:39,280
Speaker 1: Rhodes says we are sociopathic. Ryan Grimm predicts that Olivia

938
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 1: Ryan Gold's name will become notorious for a generation.

939
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 3: You left out that Ben Rhodes's nickname was Hummas.

940
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Speaker 1: I thought it was so dumb that I'm amas.

941
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 2: That was apparently what Apak, according to Ryan Okay, so

942
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 2: APAC's nicknames.

943
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: So since Olivia, I'm going to say something I wouldn't

944
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 1: even have. I don't have a ball to put this

945
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: on Twitter, but I'll say it here. Olivia, if you're

946
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: so concerned about narratives about children that are being used

947
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: for political purposes. Do you think you know where I'm

948
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: going here, Crystal, I have a little story for you

949
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:15,240
Speaker 1: called October seventh and claims about beheaded babies who were microwaved. Olivia,

950
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: I have a task. Please go and investigate all of

951
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: the claims about beheaded babies and microwaving and slaughtering and

952
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:27,280
Speaker 1: raping if you would like, because I can guarantee you, Olivia,

953
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 1: you will perhaps find that many initial claims turned out

954
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 1: to be bullshit and were used for propagandistic purposes to

955
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: push an agenda on the American and the global community

956
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 1: to justify a war of annihilation in Gaza. So, Olivia,

957
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 1: that's a great story for you. In fact, you may

958
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: want to look into Ryan Grimm or many of the

959
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 1: other people who have debunked systematically many of the claims

960
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 1: that have come out. And so Yes, I believe that

961
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: since she is so concerned with journalism, that she should

962
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: then investigate the claims that her own news outlet has

963
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,399
Speaker 1: made about I graved and beheaded babies on the day

964
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: of October seventh. Also, there's a documentary put out by

965
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: potentially one of your patrons Cheryl Sandberg about rape on

966
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: October seventh. I would love to go through that one

967
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: with a fine tooth comb, shall we, And let's look

968
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 1: at some of the rapes that have happened since October seventh,

969
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: and a lot of them that happened in Israeli prison

970
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: camps that were actually found on video in fact, barberism

971
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 1: and gangsterism and behavior of such sort of which we

972
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:29,399
Speaker 1: have multiple documented interests. And yet the ones that were

973
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: pushed by you were used for propagandistic war purposes. So, Olivia,

974
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 1: since I know that you're watching, you can go ahead

975
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: and take that. You can even clip this if you

976
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: would like, I guess, go ahead and cancel me A.

977
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 2: Have another assignment suggestion for them, since they have such

978
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 2: a keen interest in journalism. Yes, well, first of all,

979
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 2: they might want to fact check their own friggin piece,

980
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 2: because we'll get to that in just a moment, because

981
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 2: they are multiple provable, like clear falsities even within this

982
00:48:56,040 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 2: one garbage smear piece. But in addition, since you're so

983
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 2: concerned about journalists, I'm sure you've done tons of exploration

984
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 2: of the way that hundreds of journalists have been targeted

985
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 2: for murder by the IDF.

986
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 3: We just covered five who were killed yesterday.

987
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 2: They are five among many who have been targeted for

988
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 2: murder because they dare expose the truth about what's happening

989
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 2: in Gaza. And that is enough for these Raelies to

990
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 2: want to make sure that their existence is snuffed out.

991
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 2: Not to mention, of course, that they block international journalists

992
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 2: from being able to come into the Gaza strip to

993
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 2: document what's going on whatsoever. So that might be something

994
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,479
Speaker 2: else that you might want to explore, given your keen

995
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 2: interest in the journalistic qualities and integrity. But speaking of

996
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 2: that fact check, we can go ahead and put is

997
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 2: it F four? Yes, F four up on the screen. Ryan,

998
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 2: I actually didn't even read that whole piece because I can't.

999
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 2: But Ryan did and noted that there were multiple provable

1000
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 2: falsities in this in this one piece that was put

1001
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 2: up to a test to their incredible journalism. In particular,

1002
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 2: they write this, why have these reporters ignored credible reports

1003
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 2: of the UN and its allied organizations themselves blocking the

1004
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 2: distribution of aid and Gaza. Okay, that is not true,

1005
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 2: and why are they twisting the truth about Hamas's theft

1006
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 2: of eight? Also not true, and you don't have to

1007
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 2: listen to me. You can listen to Israeli military officials

1008
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 2: who said as much to the New York Times, hardly

1009
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 2: a pro Palestine outlet. Similarly, why have they ignored the

1010
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 2: fact that the UN's associated body that attempts to assess

1011
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 2: whether there is a famine monkeyed with the metrics for

1012
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 2: its assessment in Gaza. This is exactly the claim that

1013
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 2: I spent quite a long time yesterday in my monologue debunking.

1014
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 2: There's this claim from these railies that they change the

1015
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 2: threshold for famine measurement in order just to find famine

1016
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 2: in Gaza. They say they couldn't find a famine, so

1017
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 2: they forged one. This is just this is just garbage,

1018
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 2: Like this is just a lie. They use the same

1019
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 2: exact criteria in Gaza that they had used in previous

1020
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,479
Speaker 2: findings before. There are two separate thresholds that you can meet.

1021
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 2: One of them is basically a BMI metric. But oftentimes

1022
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 2: when there is a famine, it's very difficult to get

1023
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 2: a full assessment. So there's an alternative indication that they

1024
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,879
Speaker 2: use called mid upper arms circumference. Now, the mid upper

1025
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 2: arm circumference metric. In order to establish a phase five,

1026
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 2: which is the most severe level of famine, you need

1027
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 2: fifteen percent of the population to have met that. With

1028
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 2: the BMI metric, it's thirty percent of the population. Because

1029
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 2: they measure different things, so you would have different standards.

1030
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 2: It takes longer for the arm to wither down to

1031
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 2: the size that would indicate with certainty that there is

1032
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 2: famine conditions. That is the same guidance and threshold that

1033
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 2: they have used for us their conflicts as well. So

1034
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 2: maybe they might want to spend a little bit more

1035
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 2: time journalistically looking into some of their own bullshit claims,

1036
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 2: even within the context of this one article.

1037
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: Yeah wow, shocking what actually scrutiny of their journalism will do.

1038
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 1: By the way, Olivia's claimed to fame is the girl

1039
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: who did the TikTok where she read all of zoron

1040
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 1: mom day streeets and she's like, it's called journalism, So

1041
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: that's what we're all dealing with her. So Olivia, again,

1042
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:33,240
Speaker 1: since I know you're watching and potentially your salary depends

1043
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 1: on your boss Barry Conning David Ellison into buying your

1044
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: bullshit outlet for two hundred and fifty million, dollars then

1045
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: get that you're very upset, and I just want to

1046
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: end on that one, which is just let's just as

1047
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 1: all say the truth. Here's the truth. The reason why

1048
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: they're the most mad, and I'm almost one hundred percent

1049
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: sure of this is because of our segment making fun

1050
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: of their two hundred and fifty million dollar valuation. They

1051
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: I am aware, I am aware to do this. That

1052
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: segment made the rounds amongst certain very influential people in

1053
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: Silicon Valley, many of people who are laughing at Barry's

1054
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: audacity for two hundred and fifty million dollars valuation so

1055
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 1: that she can be the CBS News pro Israel ombudsman

1056
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: and con some super rich billionaire into bailing out her

1057
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:27,359
Speaker 1: shitty business where she's spending vast amounts of money on

1058
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 1: real estate, with a number thirty one ranked podcast, a

1059
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: YouTube channel which might as well be a dud, which

1060
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: is spending two dollars a word to commission people trying

1061
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 1: to hire people with free health or with healthcare and

1062
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,399
Speaker 1: all of these top level benefits. She needs a little

1063
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 1: bail out there. It's the pro Israel bailout that she

1064
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: needs from Larry Ellison's son and so perhaps maybe that

1065
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,800
Speaker 1: editorial and sniping had something to do with Yeah, So sorry, Barry,

1066
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 1: because the thing is, as we've said here repeatedly, we

1067
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 1: want her to sell for two fifty because it means

1068
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 1: you and I are filthy rich on paper. If that's

1069
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: the case, So Barry, we wish you nothing with the best,

1070
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: all right. I've always wanted to be worth one hundred

1071
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,760
Speaker 1: million dollars on paper, or at least go around telling people.

1072
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: So that's only possible if you paid the way for us.

1073
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: So please, Barry, please go around. We're cheering for you,

1074
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 1: all right, just so I can tell people I'm sent

1075
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 1: a millionaire on paper. All right, So with all of that,

1076
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: let's go ahead and get No, we're done. We're gonna

1077
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 1: do the AMA now.

1078
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 3: Sorry, Thank you guys so much for watching.

1079
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 2: Ryan and Emily will be in tomorrow soccer and I

1080
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 2: will be back on Thursday and we'll see y'all.

1081
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Speaker 1: Don