1 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: Welcome to tech Stuff, a production from I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host, 3 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with my Heart Radio 4 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: and how the tech are you? You know? A few 5 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: weeks back, I talked about the fair phone as a 6 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: sort of gateway topic that could let me talk about 7 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: a lot of serious challenges that the tech industry and 8 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: we as consumers face if we want to try and 9 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 1: be ethical and responsible with our our tech purchases and strategies. 10 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: So in that episode, we talked about environmental and social issues, 11 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: and we covered things like sustainability, and we covered things 12 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: like human rights because there are a lot of different 13 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: steps in the supply chain where that's a real issue. 14 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: And today, due to a listener request, the listener actually 15 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,119 Speaker 1: downloaded the I Heart Radio app, they went to tech 16 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 1: Stuff left me a nice little voice message asking if 17 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: I could talk about this. We're gonna talk about a 18 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: different smartphone and what sets it apart from other devices 19 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: in its category. Uh, it is not going to be 20 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: nearly as heavy as the fair phone episode was because 21 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: we're not gonna dive back into all the human rights 22 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 1: stuff and sustainability stuff. To great extent, but I hope 23 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: you will learn some interesting things along the way. So 24 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: the phone we're going to talk about today is the 25 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: Nothing Phone, specifically the Nothing Phone open bracket one, closed bracket, 26 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,279 Speaker 1: so the Nothing Phone one. Uh. This phone actually shares 27 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: a couple of superficial similarities with the Fair Phone and 28 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: one important non superficial similarity. So for one thing, it 29 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: is not going to be sold in the United States. 30 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: Neither the Fair Phone nor the Nothing Phone will be 31 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: sold here in the US. So if you are in 32 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: the United States, I'm sorry this phone is not going 33 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 1: to be available. I can't get it either. So um, 34 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: but you know, listen to the episode because there's some 35 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: important stuff in here. And by the way, it's clear 36 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: that it's not gonna be sold in the US because 37 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: the f c C, the Federal Communications Commission, didn't certify 38 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 1: the device, and that as a requirement if you're going 39 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: to have a cellular device operate on United States networks. 40 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: Superficial similarity number two. Both Fair Phone and the Nothing 41 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: Phone one rely on a version of the Android operating system, 42 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: and we're gonna talk more about you know, Android OS 43 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: and how it appears on more phones in a little 44 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: bit in this episode, now one less superficial. One important 45 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: similarity between the Fair Phone and the Nothing Phone is 46 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: that the Nothing Phone also takes a pretty cool approach 47 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: when it comes to at least some of the material 48 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: in the phone itself. So the Nothing Phone has an 49 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: aluminum case that is then coded with gorilla glass. So 50 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: when you look at the Nothing Phone, it kind of 51 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,399 Speaker 1: look like it has a clear case, and then you're 52 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: looking into the the aluminum uh casing itself almost like 53 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: you're almost like you have stripped the shell off of 54 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: another smartphone. It has that kind of cool esthetically industrial 55 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: look I think. Anyway, the bit that's important is that 56 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: the company says they use recycled aluminum to make those cases, 57 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: which is following that sort of ethical sustainability approach that 58 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: Fair Phone uses. So I wanted to call that out 59 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: because I think that's really cool. I think that's a 60 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: great thing to do, is to rely on recycled materials 61 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: rather than mining for new ones. But really that's where 62 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: the surface similarities kind of end between the Fair Phone 63 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: and the Nothing Phone. So the Nothing Phone isn't really 64 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: meant to address sustainability or ethics issues in the text 65 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: fear the same way the fair phone does. It doesn't 66 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: push his hard in that in that regard. But boy, howdy, 67 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: the marketing for the Nothing phone has been, i'll say, 68 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: pretty aggressive. If you just pop on over to Nothing 69 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: Technologies web page, you'll get to read some of that 70 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 1: marketing and you'll see stuff like quote less distractions, more soul, 71 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 1: just pure instinct, formed as a machine told through beautiful symbols, 72 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: deeper interactions, and brave simplicity. Phone one can bring us 73 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 1: back to us end quote. Now. I like that This 74 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: doesn't actually say a whole bunch of useful stuff about 75 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:54,359 Speaker 1: the phone itself, but it feels like it's really deep 76 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: and meaningful. All right. Now, Before I dive into the phone, 77 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: which you know will be most the bigger part of 78 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: this episode, and talk about what it does and some 79 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 1: other related stuff about it, I want to talk first 80 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: about the company behind it, which is called Nothing Technology Limited. 81 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: One of the co founders of Nothing Technology is a 82 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: guy named Carl Pay. Now, Carl Pay co founded another 83 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: phone company called one Plus. This happened back in One 84 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 1: plus is an incredibly successful hardware company, especially in places 85 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: like India. The smartphones that one plus makes are popular 86 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: among millions hundreds of millions of users. One plus does 87 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: something similar to what Nothing is trying to do, which 88 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 1: is it produces Android based smartphones that aim to market 89 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: interesting features for a mid range price. So in both 90 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: one plus and Nothing Technology, pays companies aren't necessarily pushing 91 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: to create the flagship device for that platform, that being 92 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 1: Android phones, but rather one that is compelling while costing 93 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: less than competing phones are in the same general field. Now, 94 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: Pay left one Plus in twenty which came as a 95 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 1: surprise to some people because the company had grown into 96 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: a big brand. It was incredibly successful, so why leave, Well, 97 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: Pay was getting ready to launch a new company. In fact, 98 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 1: he did it almost immediately after leaving one plus, and 99 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: he secured investments from some pretty interesting folks here in 100 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: the United States, which includes former Apple designer Tony Fidel 101 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: Reddits CEO Steve Hoffman is one of the big investors. 102 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: Twitches co founder Kevin Lynn is another, and there were more. 103 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 1: And Pay started talking about how tech had kind of 104 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: lost its way, like it lost its magical touch on us, 105 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: and this would lead right into the marketing spiel for 106 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: Nothing technology in general and Nothing Phone in particular. So 107 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: Pay was essentially saying that, you know, in the early 108 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: smartphone days, so really, when Steve Jobs first introduced the iPhone, 109 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: consumers reacted with excitement and wonder and they just gushed 110 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: about these new devices. It was something to celebrate. And 111 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: if you just go back and watch early Apple iPhone 112 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: press events like for the first few iPhones, especially the 113 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: ones that Steve Jobs lead before his passing in two 114 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: thousand eleven, if you watch those, you'll really see what 115 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: pay is kind of talking about. You'll see these big 116 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: reactions from the crowd over these things. Like it was 117 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: this enthusiasm and joy. It came across almost as if 118 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: Steve Jobs was promising the crowd that they were all 119 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: going to go to Disneyland on his dime. But these days, 120 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: Pay has said, folks tend to be a little more 121 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: reserved and skeptical, maybe even apathetic. They're not excited about 122 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: new products. They might still refresh them regularly because their 123 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: devices start getting less useful as time goes on, but 124 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: they're not enthusiastic about it. And Pay puts a lot 125 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: of the blame on the products themselves, although I think 126 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: really the blame goes on the companies that have created 127 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: this this incredible rapid refresh cycle that has kind of 128 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: burned us all out, Right, Like when there's a new 129 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 1: one every single year, there gets to be a point 130 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:37,079 Speaker 1: where it's hard to innovate in a way that sets 131 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: something head and shoulders above everything that came before. Right, 132 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: you start to refine and you make things more powerful 133 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: and faster and more attractive, But it's hard to create 134 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: something that is a huge leap forward. It tends to 135 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: be smaller steps, and that just tends to get us 136 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,040 Speaker 1: less excited over time, because we start to come to 137 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 1: expect these things like, of course it's gonna be faster, 138 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: of course it's going to be prettier. What else does 139 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: it have? That's kind of what pay was saying, And um, 140 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 1: he wanted to create a company that would design awesome 141 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: devices that people would want to use, devices that could 142 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: connect people to each other and include really cool features 143 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 1: along the way. So he launched Nothing Technology, which has 144 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: already come out with a set of wireless earbuds called 145 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: the ear one. It did that in one and the 146 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: Nothing Phone, for those who don't know it, came out 147 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: earlier this year too, in July. So this is a 148 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: phone now that has been on the market for a 149 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: few months now. Back one, the ear one bud's got 150 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: pretty good reviews. And by the way, when I say 151 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: ere one is really ear open bracket, one close bracket 152 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 1: or parentheses if you prefer. So, Yeah, the both the 153 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: phone and the ear have parentheses one in close parentheses 154 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: after them. That's kind of how they're designating it. Just 155 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: year one so whatever. Anyway, got really good reviews. People 156 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: said that the sound quality was great, that the battery 157 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: life was great, that it had a really neat kind 158 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: of aesthetic to it because the case is made out 159 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: of a clear plastic, transparent plastic. So that was kind 160 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: of set it apart from like the white air pods 161 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: from Apple or things like that. And it was obvious 162 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: that nothing technology was going to produce stuff of of 163 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: good quality and intriguing design. So the earbuds came out 164 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: and the word was then that a phone was going 165 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: to follow the next year, and that happened. It launched 166 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: in London, England in July. All right, so let's talk 167 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: a little bit about that phone. The phone's operating system, 168 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: which I mentioned earlier, is a version of Android OS, 169 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: is called Nothing OS. But Nothing didn't make their own 170 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:56,079 Speaker 1: operating system. Really, what they did was create a skin, 171 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: a user interface that sits on top of an Android 172 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: OS core or body if you prefer. And this is 173 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: kind of what Google was planning for. When folks over 174 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 1: at Google were first developing the Android operating system, Apple 175 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: was preparing to launch the iPhone. So this is like 176 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: two thousand seven, and folks over at Google, we're trying 177 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: to create a next generation smartphone operating system that other 178 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: manufacturers can install on their devices. Google wasn't really keen 179 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:31,319 Speaker 1: on jumping into the hardware business itself. All Right, I'm 180 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: gonna take a quick break. When we come back, I'll 181 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: talk more about Google's approach versus Apple's approach and how 182 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: that would define the strategy that these two companies made 183 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: when they were getting into the smartphone arena. But first, 184 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: let's take this quick break, Okay. As I said before 185 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: the break, Apple was coming into the smartphone market primarily 186 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: as a hardware company. That's what Apple was known for. 187 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: Everyone new Apple for its Mac computers and for its 188 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: iPod devices, which had become monstrous lee popular in the 189 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: mid two thousand's. Now more recently, the more recent years, 190 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,959 Speaker 1: Apple has started to shift to become more services focused. 191 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,319 Speaker 1: That's something that Tim Cook has been leading the charge 192 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: on in order to generate revenue by having Apple make 193 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: more money from things like subscriptions and by taking a 194 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: cut of in app transactions, so there's less of a 195 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 1: focus on the hardware itself. I mean, Apple still makes hardware, 196 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: and they still put a lot of effort into it, 197 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: but the push from a revenue standpoint has really kind 198 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 1: of shifted to services and less on how many of 199 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: these things can we sell this. By the way, it's 200 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: sort of what pay was getting at when he was 201 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: arguing that device design had kind of lost its way. 202 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: He's sort of imp lies at least in my mind. 203 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: Maybe I'm inferring. I'm inferring that Pay is saying that 204 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: companies like Apple no longer innovate in design the way 205 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 1: they used to. Uh their focused too much on finding 206 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: ways to make money through services. By the way, that's 207 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: something that around the world we're seeing regulators push back on, 208 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:24,199 Speaker 1: right because we've seen a lot of of developers complain 209 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 1: that Apple locks them into a system and does not 210 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,439 Speaker 1: allow them to use any alternatives, and that that is 211 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:33,959 Speaker 1: anti competitive. So that's something else playing out around the 212 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: world right now, Well over at Google, the plan all 213 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: along was to provide an operating system platform that other 214 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 1: companies could use, because that operating system naturally emphasizes Google's 215 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: other services, and that's where Google derives revenue. So Google 216 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: was kind of looking at this services approach from the 217 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: beginning and wasn't really keen on getting into making its 218 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: own smartphones, so Google would not benefit directly from hardware sales, 219 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,719 Speaker 1: but down the road, the company would make bookoos of 220 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: buckos because hundreds of millions of people would be using 221 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 1: phones with an operating system that tends to guide people 222 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: into using Google services. And again, Google has also gotten 223 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: in trouble for this, and there have been regulators claiming 224 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: that Google practices anti competitive strategies in the market. But 225 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: this means there's a fundamental difference between iOS and Android, 226 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: and it gets to the very core of this. iOS 227 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: is only meant to run on Apple devices, right, You're 228 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: only supposed to run iOS on things like iPhones and 229 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: iPads and that kind of stuff. Android operating system is 230 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: meant to run on whatever hardware a manufacturer wants to 231 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: put it on, assuming that they certify with Google to 232 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: run Android and manufacturers can tweak Android too that it 233 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: doesn't have to just be a pure droid experience. They 234 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: can actually put their own user interface on top of 235 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: the Android operating system. They can also include their own 236 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: apps as native apps on that, so that if you 237 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: were to get say a Motorola smartphone versus the Samsung 238 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: smartphone back in the day, you could have very different 239 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: apps on the homepage on there. Also, phone carriers can 240 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: get in on this too, so if you have T 241 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: Mobile versus if you have a T and T, you 242 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: could also have different apps pre installed on your phone 243 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: and on the home page. Now what this means is 244 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: you could buy two totally different Android phones made by 245 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: two different manufacturers, running on two different phone carriers. And 246 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: even though they're both wearing the same operating system, even 247 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: if all the internals are the same, like they're using 248 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: the same processor, they've got the same amount of memory, 249 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: the same amount of storage space. You can have a 250 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: very different look to the home page on the two 251 00:15:55,280 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: different devices, and often users lack the permissions to remove 252 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: some of those native apps that the various manufacturers and 253 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: carriers have pre installed on the phone. So you get 254 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: a phone it's got an app on it that you 255 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: don't want, you never use, but you can't remove it. 256 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: It's just stuck there. Now, we have a name for 257 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: this kind of software. We call it bloat where so 258 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: this is the stuff that manufacturers and carriers add on 259 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: top of a device and users are not typically able 260 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: to remove it, and it bloats the operating system. So 261 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: not only might you be irritated that there's this app 262 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: on your phone that you don't want but you can't 263 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: take it off, you might also get mad that that 264 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: app or apps are taking up space on your phone 265 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: that you wanted to use for something else. Like you 266 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: might think, oh, I'm not going to be able to 267 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: take as many photos as I want because this app 268 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: I don't want. There's no way for me to get 269 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: rid of it, and I can't free up that space 270 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: or free up that processing. It's slowing my phone down, 271 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: and it's making the experience less enjoyable. That is the 272 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: kind of issue with bloatwear. Well Nothing touts its version 273 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: of Android is being free of bloatwear. They say it's 274 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: more of a pure Android OS experience that is free 275 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: of bloatwear, and presumably that means that you could also 276 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: uninstall any apps that come preinstalled on a Nothing phone. 277 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: I don't know that for a fact, but if it's 278 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: truly free of bloatwear, it should be possible. Now. The 279 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 1: company also says it uses quote bespoke widgets, fonts, sounds, 280 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: and wallpapers end quote bespoke. Okay. I love tech and stuff, 281 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: but marketing speak sometimes makes my eyes roll around uncontrollably 282 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 1: in my head. I am sure it's very pretty to 283 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:50,360 Speaker 1: look at, I have no doubt about it, but bespoke okay. Anyway, 284 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 1: One benefit that Nothing touts of its phone is that 285 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 1: the operating system doesn't prioritize first party apps over third 286 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 1: party apps. So what that means is that whatever you 287 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,880 Speaker 1: install on a Nothing phone should run just as smoothly, 288 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: just as well as any native apps preinstalled on that phone, 289 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: any apps from Nothing itself. They should all run at 290 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: the same capability based upon the phone's technical specs, which 291 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: we will get into in a bit. So if you 292 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: were to install an app that had a greater requirement 293 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:29,199 Speaker 1: on the hardware than a Nothing app would, yes, that 294 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: will make a difference. But it's saying we are not 295 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: prioritizing our own stuff over anyone else's. This phone is yours, 296 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: and whatever you put on it should run as as 297 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: well as possible based on the hardware. One example they 298 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: give is a Tesla app that lets you use your 299 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: phone to do stuff like unlock your Tesla vehicle. Now, 300 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 1: the company also says that the phone tracks your app 301 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 1: usage so that your most used apps are ready to 302 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: load right away. So if you happen to use something 303 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: like a Netflix app right to watch videos all the 304 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: time on your phone, then the Nothing phone essentially prioritizes 305 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: that app so that it takes less time to pop 306 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 1: up once you select it, and and there's less lag there. 307 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: So apps that you use much less frequently are quote 308 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,959 Speaker 1: frozen to conserve power end quote, which I think just 309 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: means it has to go through the whole loading process 310 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 1: in order to get those active. Oh and the phone 311 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: one also has a native n f T gallery where 312 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 1: you can display your n f T s and even 313 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 1: track their prices on your home screen, so you can 314 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: display the digital things you've purchased and how much they're worth. 315 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: Now y'all already know how I feel about n f 316 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: T s, The fact that this display incorporates prices into 317 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: it feels really a key. It just reinforces the criticisms 318 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: I have about n f T S in general, so 319 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,479 Speaker 1: this ain't a feature that I find particularly compelling. Also, 320 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: it's curious to me that there's still kind of promoting 321 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 1: that just because I feel like the general feeling about 322 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,679 Speaker 1: n f T S has really become much more negative, 323 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 1: except for that small niche group of n f T 324 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: enthusiasts and evangelists. But that's neither here nor there. Now. 325 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: If you flip the phone so that the back faces up, 326 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: you'll see that you've got your gorilla glass coated aluminum 327 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 1: case has the sort of industrial look because you're looking 328 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,120 Speaker 1: at just little panels of aluminium on the back. You'll 329 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 1: see that as a couple of camera lenses. Um. So 330 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 1: you also will see that if you get a notification 331 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: or a call, that bright lights will light up on 332 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 1: the back of the case in different shapes. There's actually 333 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: two sets of lights. Each set has ten lights in 334 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 1: it that can make these shapes. They are called glyphs. 335 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: Nothing calls these glyphs. So one set of ten is 336 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: for phone notifications. The other set of ten is for 337 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: different ring tones. And you can actually tweak how these 338 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 1: glyphs light up, and you can customize them so that 339 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 1: the glyphs will light up one way for say, an 340 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: incoming Facebook message, and they'll light up a different way 341 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: for a Twitter notification. Or you can have one glyph 342 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: appear if it's your mom calling you, and a totally 343 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: different one appearing if it's a your significant other calling you. 344 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: And you can tell who's calling or what's going on 345 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 1: with your phone just by looking at the back of 346 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:47,360 Speaker 1: it and seeing the pattern of lights light up. I'll 347 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: talk about that more when we come back from this 348 00:21:50,560 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: quick break. Okay, So there are these lights, these glyphs 349 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 1: that can light up in different shapes on the back 350 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: of this phone and indicate that you've received a message 351 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 1: or that someone's calling you. Now, I probably would end 352 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: up spending ages setting up these glyphs to customize every 353 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: notification I can and every incoming call that I could 354 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: like in my context list, and then I would promptly 355 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: forget what was what, so I would have to float 356 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: the phone over anyway just to see what I was getting, 357 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:34,919 Speaker 1: like whether it was a phone call or a notification 358 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: or whatever it might be. But that's on me, right, 359 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 1: Like I can't imagine looking at one of twenty different 360 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: potential patterns and immediately knowing, oh, that's a Twitter message 361 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: or something. If I had actually used all of them, 362 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 1: that is, if I only used a couple ensure, Yeah, 363 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,360 Speaker 1: I mean that makes it way easier. But if you're 364 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: using all of them, you must have a better memory 365 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: than I do, which isn't saying much if we're being honest, 366 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: I can't really blame the phone for that. That's more 367 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: of a failing on my part. I think the glyphs 368 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: feature is kind of nifty. I mean, it's definitely the 369 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 1: eye catching feature on the phone. It's probably the most 370 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: effective way to grab someone's attention to the phone because 371 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: it's different from what other phones do. This is something 372 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: that sets it apart. But I would not call it 373 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 1: a killer feature on the phone simply because it really 374 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: has limited usefulness. One thing that is interesting is that 375 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: these glyphs are are actually tied to specific notification sounds 376 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: and ringtones on the phone. So, in other words, the 377 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: way you would assign a glyph to, let's say, a 378 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 1: Twitter notification is that you would go into the Twitter 379 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: app and you would go into its settings, and you 380 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 1: would change the notification sound for an incoming tweet to 381 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: a specific sound on the list. That sound correlates to 382 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:04,120 Speaker 1: one of the ten glyphs for notifications, and so if 383 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 1: you have sounds turned on, you'll get that specific notification 384 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: sound and the corresponding glyph pattern will light up. So, 385 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 1: in other words, what you're really doing is you're changing 386 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: sounds and ring tones. You're not really choosing a specific 387 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,919 Speaker 1: glyph so much as you're choosing the sound that corresponds 388 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 1: to that glyph. So you're stuck with the pre made 389 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 1: ring tones to choose a specific glyph for specific people. 390 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: So if there's a glyph you really like but you 391 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: hate the ring tone, well, you can put your phone 392 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 1: on silent, the glyph will light up, the ring tone 393 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 1: won't play, but you're stuck with that ring tone with 394 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: that glyph. Right. You can't change the ring tone and 395 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: keep that same glyph. You'll get whatever glyph goes with 396 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 1: the new ring tone. Um, I just think it's kind 397 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,719 Speaker 1: of a weird gimmick more than a feature. That quote 398 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 1: brings us all back together, all right, So let's talk 399 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: about actual specs here. So the phone's processor is a 400 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: WELLcom snap Dragon seven seven eight G plus. This chip 401 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 1: set debuted last year and the seven series of snap 402 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 1: Dragon chips are end snap Dragons high end range, but 403 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,360 Speaker 1: they are below like flagship level, so kind of like 404 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: between flagship and mid range. So it's a good processor, 405 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: but it's not top of the line. It's not the 406 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: best of the best. This does, however, mean that the 407 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: phone isn't gonna cost as much because the processors not 408 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: as expensive. It also has five G connectivity, so you're 409 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: able to tap into that. So in places that have 410 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,199 Speaker 1: the high density, you know, high frequency five G, you 411 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: can get that incredible responsiveness on five G. The problem 412 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: is that's just not available everywhere. The distance of transmission 413 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,439 Speaker 1: for that level of five G is pretty limited and 414 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,880 Speaker 1: it can't do stuff like go through walls, for example, 415 00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: So you will get that incredible speed in specific instances, 416 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: but not everywhere. There are two camera lenses on the 417 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: back of the phone. The first is a regular fifty 418 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:12,399 Speaker 1: megapixel sensor with optical image stabilization. A quick reminder on 419 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,880 Speaker 1: megapixels here, it's been a long time since I've really 420 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: talked about megapixels. Essentially, megapixel tells you the number of 421 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: dots or points of light that will make up a 422 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: digital image, and this is true no matter how large 423 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,439 Speaker 1: the screen is. So fifty megapixels tells you that the 424 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: photos you take will have essentially fifty million little points 425 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: that make up that image. This is oversimplifying things, but 426 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: that's essentially what it means. So in the good old 427 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: days digital camera companies, back when we would just buy 428 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:46,360 Speaker 1: regular consumer digital cameras, before cell phones had decent cameras 429 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,440 Speaker 1: in them, they would use high megapixel numbers as sort 430 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: of a metric of quality, like this phone is better 431 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,640 Speaker 1: because it has more megapixels. That's kind of an oversimplification 432 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: because there are a lot of other factors that are 433 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 1: important in determining each quality. It's not just megapixel count. 434 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 1: High megapixel count is important if you plan on doing 435 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: something like showing off digital images on a large screen. Right, 436 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 1: let's say that you're taking photos on a camera and 437 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 1: you're planning on putting those photos on a giant television. Well, 438 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 1: you want a high megapixel count so that that image 439 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 1: still looks good on the big screen and doesn't look 440 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: grainy or anything like that. Or maybe you want to 441 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: print out giant posters of whatever you're taking photos of. 442 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: You want high megapixel count so that the resolution is 443 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: still good when you're on this much larger format. That's 444 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 1: where megapixels are really important. The second camera on the 445 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: Nothing phone one is an ultra wide lens, but it 446 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: also has a fifty megapixel sensor, so five zero megapixel sensor. 447 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: There's also a front facing camera on the phone. This 448 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: one has a more modest sixteen megapixels. Now I say 449 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: more modest because again, I remember when consumer digital cameras 450 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 1: were maxing out at like ten or twelve megapixels. So 451 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: just having a sixteen megapixels a front facing camera, it's 452 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 1: incredible when you if you've been around long enough to 453 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 1: have seen how digital camera technology has improved over the 454 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: last two decades, really three decades, I'm getting old, so 455 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 1: pretty incredible in that regard. The phone is capable of 456 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: recording video add up to four K resolution, which is 457 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: pretty impressive. The screen on the phone is oh lad, 458 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: it's organic led. It has a one hurts or fresh 459 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 1: rate that actually is really impressive. That's one of the 460 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: things about this phone that I find pretty amazing. It's 461 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: better than a lot of flagship phones out there that 462 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: max out at around sixty hurts. Now, in case you're 463 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: not familiar with the term refresh. Essentially, this refers to 464 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: the number of times that the screen renders itself. A 465 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: refreshes each second, so hurts means the screen refreshes a 466 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: hundred twenty times per second. For you. This creates a 467 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: smoother experience when you're scrolling through the phone, or it 468 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: can improve the experience if you're using your phone to 469 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: do stuff like play games on it. The screen measures 470 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: six and a half inches on the diagonal and has 471 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,719 Speaker 1: a resolution of ten eighty by two hundred, so not 472 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 1: like super high resolution. But it's also a small screen, 473 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 1: so you don't need super high resolution at that size. 474 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: And and at how far you're away you are from 475 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: the screen, you're gonna be pretty close to it. Nothing 476 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: Technology advertised the screen as being capable of a brightness 477 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: of up to twe knits. A knit in i T, 478 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: as you probably have gathered at this point just from context, 479 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: is a measurement of the brightness of light. So one 480 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 1: knit is equal to one candela per square meter. A 481 00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: candela refers to candle power. So now you're saying that's 482 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: not really giving me an idea of brightness. Well, let's 483 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 1: put it this way. The noonday sun has a brightness 484 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: of about one point six billion knits, so you know, 485 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: just think, okay, well, what would twelve knits look like then? Now, 486 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: according to ultra Vision LED Solutions, the average television has 487 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 1: a brightness of around four hundred fifty knits, so significantly 488 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 1: brighter than that. Right, it's almost three times as bright. 489 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: But then you don't typically take your brand new TV 490 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: outside into bright sunlight, but you do take your smartphone 491 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: out there. So that explains why phones need to be 492 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: brighter than televisions, because in sunlight, if it's a dim screen, 493 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: you can't see anything on it. However, I should add 494 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 1: that a review of the phone one that was published 495 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: by The Verge revealed that the actual max brightness was 496 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 1: closer to seven hundred knits and that Nothing Technology had 497 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: clarified that the company had eased off on the brightness 498 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: in order to preserve battery power. That you know, if 499 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 1: you were blasting at twelve knits, you're draining the battery 500 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: much faster. But that a future firmware update could remove 501 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: this kind of throttle feature and allow you to go 502 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: all the way up to twelve hundred. So maybe by 503 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 1: the time you hear this, the max really will be 504 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: twelve knits anyway, according to the review even seven hundred 505 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: knits was more than sufficient for upgrading the phone indirect 506 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: sunlight without a problems, so there's no real issue here. 507 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: It's it seems like it's pretty good in that regard. 508 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: While nothing technology says. The phone one has a battery 509 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: life to support up to eighteen hours of use, the 510 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 1: Verge reported that the phone's charge was pretty much drained 511 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 1: after a single day's use, not like twenty four hours, 512 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 1: but just like using a phone in a typical day. However, 513 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: the reviewer does say that they tend to put their 514 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 1: phones through heavy use scenarios, so you should imagine someone 515 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: who's on their phone frequently throughout the day, but at 516 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: by the end of the day the phone was pretty 517 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: much out of charge. The phone supports thirties three W 518 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 1: wired charging, so it can go back up to around 519 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: fifty power pretty quickly, like within twenty minutes or so. 520 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: It can also charge wirelessly with a g charging station 521 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: at fifteen W. It's slower than if you used a 522 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: wired charger, but it is capable of charging wirelessly, which 523 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: puts it in a pretty small subset of of of 524 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 1: medium and smartphones It can also reverse charge other devices 525 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: like those earbuds I talked about at five W so 526 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: you can actually wirelessly charge your earbuds from your phone 527 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 1: if you want to, which is again nifty is not 528 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: something that you typically see in mid range phones. Uh. 529 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: It does not include a charger itself, so you would 530 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,239 Speaker 1: actually have to go out and buy the cable and 531 00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 1: plug and everything uh separately, but that's not that unusual 532 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: in in devices that are sold in Europe. All told, 533 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: the base level Nothing Phone one comes in at three pounds, 534 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 1: which is about four bucks right now due to the 535 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: British pound being weaker against the US dollar than I've 536 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: ever seen in my life. That will get you a 537 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 1: phone with eight gigabytes of RAMS and a hundred twenty 538 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 1: eight gigabytes of storage space, and you can upgrade to 539 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: a twelve gigabyte RAM and two hundred fifty six gigabytes 540 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: storage version of the phone one. That one would cost 541 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 1: four nine pounds are around five hundred fifty bucks American 542 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 1: again due to that exchange rate. So this puts the 543 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: Nothing Phone into the category of mid range smartphones. It's 544 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,959 Speaker 1: not priced as a budget phone. It's more expensive than 545 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: budget phones, but It's also half as expensive as the 546 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: flagship phones that are out there now. I have not 547 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: personally used one of these phones because I'm in the States, 548 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 1: but my impression based upon what I have seen, is 549 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: that this is a good mid range Android smartphone. Now, 550 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 1: some features that you're just not gonna find in most 551 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 1: other mid range phones on the market, like that reversible 552 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 1: charging feature. The glyphs are a really nifty idea. It 553 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,840 Speaker 1: really does make the phone, you know, stand out, but 554 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 1: it wouldn't be a practical feature for someone like me. 555 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 1: I would think they were pretty, and then I would 556 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,879 Speaker 1: never worry about them again. I would just as soon 557 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 1: keep my phone face up so I can see what 558 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 1: notifications are coming in, rather than sit there and say, huh, 559 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 1: that is a blinking see which of the which is 560 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 1: the things that I assigned a blinking C two I 561 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: wouldn't remember. So in short, my first impression is that 562 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 1: pay is following a similar playbook with nothing technology as 563 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 1: he did over at one Plus. He's creating smartphones and 564 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 1: accessories that includes some nifty features at mid range prices, 565 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: and I think this is awesome, but I also think 566 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 1: it falls far far short of the marketing messages we've received. 567 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,760 Speaker 1: I don't see the Nothing phone as transforming smartphones in general. Um, 568 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,319 Speaker 1: which is again that's kind of the hype that was 569 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 1: around this phone before it was launched. There were outlets 570 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,760 Speaker 1: out there saying that, you know, if we're to believe 571 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,800 Speaker 1: what's being said, that Nothing phone is going to change everything, 572 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,760 Speaker 1: it's not. It just isn't. Um. It's a good phone, 573 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: but it's not going to transform smartphones. Uh. It's a 574 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,240 Speaker 1: good phone and a good price pretty much, full stop. 575 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 1: So I think the other takeaway we can keep in 576 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 1: mind with this episode, it's one that we all know, 577 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:46,320 Speaker 1: but it bears repeating. Marketing can be deceiving. In fact, 578 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:54,280 Speaker 1: marketing frequently is deceiving. Maybe it it uh exaggerates things, 579 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: Maybe it couches things in language where the language doesn't 580 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:03,239 Speaker 1: really mean anything, like you can't quantify it. That's how 581 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,359 Speaker 1: Nothing phone was, Like Nothing phones, marketing was all about this, 582 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 1: these these feelings and these abstract concepts that you can't 583 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 1: tie to specific metrics, right like, how do you measure 584 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: how deep your experience is? There's nothing to measure. So 585 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,799 Speaker 1: that's something that you should always keep in mind when 586 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 1: you encounter that kind of messaging it's just like, does 587 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 1: this actually mean something? Is it? Is it something that 588 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 1: you can quantify, or is it just there to kind 589 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:40,840 Speaker 1: of get your interests? And that's it. Um. Sometimes marketing 590 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,760 Speaker 1: lies by omission, right, Like they'll leave out important stuff 591 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,840 Speaker 1: that if you knew, would very much change your perception 592 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,840 Speaker 1: of the device. So it's just good to remember that 593 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,880 Speaker 1: when we encounter marketing, any kind of marketing, we should 594 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,880 Speaker 1: kind of keep a skeptic hat on. Whether that marketing 595 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,440 Speaker 1: trying to sell us a product or a service, or 596 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 1: an image of a brand or just an idea. We 597 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 1: need to approach with some critical thinking. Don't just dismiss stuff. 598 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 1: Don't just say, oh, they're marketing it, so there must 599 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,239 Speaker 1: not be anything to it. That's not the case either. 600 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,279 Speaker 1: It just means examine those claims carefully, ask what they 601 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 1: actually mean. Maybe they don't mean anything, And that's just 602 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,280 Speaker 1: good to know before you go into it. Uh yeah, 603 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 1: always important to keep that in mind whenever anyone is 604 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:36,359 Speaker 1: trying to market stuff to you, or as Wesley from 605 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,799 Speaker 1: The Princess Bride would say, life is pain. Anyone who 606 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 1: says otherwise is selling something. All right, that's it. Thanks 607 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,799 Speaker 1: again for this request. I would thank you by name, 608 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 1: but you didn't leave it in the message, so I 609 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 1: don't have a name to thank But it was great 610 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,400 Speaker 1: to be able to look into this I and there 611 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 1: nothing fune to kind of gone over my head, largely, 612 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 1: I think, because again, it's not a United States based phone, 613 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,840 Speaker 1: right it's based over in the UK, and it's going 614 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 1: to be sold in Europe and places like that, but 615 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,440 Speaker 1: not here in the US. And I missed it because 616 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 1: of that, which is a shame because obviously there are 617 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 1: tons of really important text stories playing out all over 618 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,960 Speaker 1: the world, not just here in the United States. It's 619 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:20,759 Speaker 1: just very easy for me to miss those because they 620 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,839 Speaker 1: don't get as much coverage here, and if I don't 621 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,040 Speaker 1: know what I'm looking for, I'm not going to find it. 622 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 1: So thank you for that suggestion. It was really interesting 623 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 1: to dive into this and to look into it. I 624 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,520 Speaker 1: think that nothing technology as well as one plus are 625 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 1: doing something important. They're creating these mid range phones that 626 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,759 Speaker 1: really are competitive and have these interesting features in them. 627 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,279 Speaker 1: I just feel like they are being marketed in an 628 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,879 Speaker 1: unrealistic way, which is a shame because I think that 629 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,719 Speaker 1: they could stand just fine on their own. I look 630 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,960 Speaker 1: at these and based upon what I've read and seen, Uh, 631 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 1: they look great, I guess. In order to really stand 632 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,840 Speaker 1: out against other phones that are in that same pricing 633 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:07,239 Speaker 1: range and against higher end phones that are touted as flagships, 634 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,239 Speaker 1: you've got to do something. But it just I don't know. 635 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,280 Speaker 1: I get a little antsy when I encounter marketing messaging 636 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,359 Speaker 1: like that. That's it for this episode. I haven't done 637 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,120 Speaker 1: an episode where I focused on a specific technology like this, 638 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 1: like a specific product, in a very long time. UM. 639 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 1: I tend to avoid it, but I don't mind doing them. 640 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,719 Speaker 1: So if you have suggestions for a specific product you 641 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,440 Speaker 1: think I should really take a look at and say, 642 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,719 Speaker 1: what is it that makes this product what it is? 643 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,960 Speaker 1: How does it stand apart from others in this category, 644 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,719 Speaker 1: I'd be glad to do that too. I don't do reviews, 645 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,160 Speaker 1: so if anyone's out there thinking, oh good, I can 646 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,919 Speaker 1: get them to review this product, I represent I don't 647 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,440 Speaker 1: do those, so don't We're not going to do any reviews. 648 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,520 Speaker 1: It will be more of an objective look at these 649 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 1: sort of of of devices and kind of a dive 650 00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 1: into the history and development of them as well. But 651 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,320 Speaker 1: if you want to leave me any kind of message 652 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,759 Speaker 1: whether it's a suggestion or you have a question or 653 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,920 Speaker 1: anything like that. There are two ways to do it. 654 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,640 Speaker 1: One is to do as I said before. You download 655 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,839 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio app. It's free to download, it's 656 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,280 Speaker 1: free to use. You navigate over to the text stuff page. 657 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,319 Speaker 1: You can just use the search for text stuff and 658 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,480 Speaker 1: go there. You'll see there's a little microphone icon on 659 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 1: that page. You click on that, you can leave a 660 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,319 Speaker 1: voice message up to thirty seconds in length if you like. 661 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 1: You can even tell me if I can use the 662 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,359 Speaker 1: message in a future episode. I'm all about opt in, 663 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,719 Speaker 1: so I'm not gonna use I'm never gonna play a 664 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,439 Speaker 1: voice message unless the person specifically says I'm totally cool 665 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,080 Speaker 1: with you doing that. In that case, I will include 666 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,239 Speaker 1: it in an upcoming episode, which is fun, but yeah, 667 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 1: I would never do that without permission. The other way 668 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,520 Speaker 1: to get in touch with me, which doesn't involve talking 669 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,600 Speaker 1: into anything at all. I know that can be kind 670 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,280 Speaker 1: of and an anxiety trigger for a lot of people. 671 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,520 Speaker 1: No judgment, it can. It totally does for me and 672 00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 1: I do a podcast. 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