1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: February two thousand four, Maura Murray empties her bank account, 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: drives four hours from school, crashes her car, and vanishes. 3 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: Joined the search as an investigative reporter, uncovers new evidence, 4 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: interrogates new witnesses, traces down new leads in this riveting 5 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: new investigative series, The Disappearance of Maura Murray Saturday's seven 6 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: sixth Central and nine eight Central on Oxygen, the new 7 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: network for crime Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius 8 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:41,480 Speaker 1: XM Triumph Channel one thirty two. Police are now calling 9 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 1: the death of a Valley kindergarten teacher a homicide. Catherine 10 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 1: Grossby disappearing last month after bailing Charlie Malison out of jail. 11 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: Police believe she died shortly after that, and he continued 12 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: on a crime spree across the state and some kind 13 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: of romantic relationship, but the extent of it unknown even 14 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: to her brother. She's trying to help out that sister, 15 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: saying brother has long deal with drug and mental health issues. Quote, 16 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: he's sick, He's really sick. Police finally caught up with 17 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: him in Tucson, driving Katherine's car. Put hands up, Put 18 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: your hands on the Launcher, get your knees. You get 19 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: on your knees. A body just found has now believed 20 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 1: to be that of a missing teacher, a kindergarten teacher. 21 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: The case now called homicide. The body found in Mayor, Arizona. 22 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: I Ncy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for 23 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 1: being with us. Police and Flagstaff now say they have 24 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 1: found a body they believed to be that of a 25 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: missing kindergarten teacher, Katherine Grossby in Mayor, Arizona. The teacher 26 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: goes missing after she bails out a friend from jail. 27 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: Flagstaff police Sergeant Corey Runge says there are details and 28 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: correct directions that led authorities to the area in Mayor 29 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: where the body was found. First of all, what do 30 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: we know about this young lady? Cheryl White? Crime Stories 31 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 1: investigative reporter is with us along with Dr Daniel Bober, 32 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: forensic psychiatrists, and veteran criminal defense attorney Troy Slate joining 33 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: us out of l A to Alan Duke, what can 34 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: you tell us about the victim, Catherine? What do we 35 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: know about her? She taught at Glendale Elementary School and 36 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: she also had part time job at a railway. What 37 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,519 Speaker 1: do you mean a railway. What what is that? It's 38 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: a tourist railway where you take a scenic train ride. 39 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: Oh okay. So, according to Catherine's father, her real love 40 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: was teaching children. That was what she wanted to do 41 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: with her life. According to her dad, Raymond, she knew 42 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 1: when she was in high school that she wanted to 43 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: be a teacher. Her whole life was about being a teacher. 44 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: She didn't want to teach anybody more than kindergarten or 45 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: first grade, and she loved dealing with children. Now, he 46 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: wanted his daughter to move home to California, but she 47 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:23,119 Speaker 1: fell in love with a Grand Canyon State while attending 48 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: the Arizona State University. She loved the weather, she loved 49 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: the sunshine, she loved the area. She loved it there 50 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: so much that she took a second job as a 51 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: tour guide on the Grand Canyon Railroad in Williams. She 52 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: she loved it. She loved passing on information and meeting 53 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: all the people. She loved the outdoors. She loved hiking 54 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: and camping with her dog. And I can't help but 55 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: wonder if that is how she met this friend who 56 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: had a theft charge that she picked up from jail. 57 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: That's the last thing we know she did. Out to 58 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: forensic psychiatrist Dr Daniel Bober, you're hearing me tell you 59 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: about her as a person. I doubt very much, Dr Bober, 60 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: that she came in contact with this so called friend, 61 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: a male friend at the kindergarten class. All right. It 62 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: had to be when she was out and about hiking 63 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 1: or at this Grand Central Railroad that she The Grand 64 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: Canyon Railroad in Williams is a tourist thing. What do 65 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: you think, Dr I agree with you, Nancy. I think 66 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: that if she was working with tourists, she may have 67 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: come into contact with him. It may have been sort 68 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: of a transient situation where this is a woman who 69 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 1: meets people from out of town all the time. You 70 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: know what I'm getting at, Dr Bober, is how this 71 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: has befallen her. For those of you just joining us, 72 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 1: the body of this gorgeous young kindergarten teacher in Arizona 73 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: has just been found. The last thing we know she 74 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: did was pick up a friend that was bonded out 75 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: of jail. Jail on a theft charge. That seems pretty mild, 76 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: doesn't it, Dr Bober. It's questionable to me, Nancy How 77 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: good of a friend could this be if she was 78 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: bailing him out of a jail of jail for theft. 79 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: I wonder how long she really knew him for now 80 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: I'm looking at this to Troy Slayton joining us about 81 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: the Grand Canyon Railway. Millions of people around the world 82 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: since it started have gone on it. And it's called 83 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: the romance of voyage by train. That's what they say, 84 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: where the person here's all the folklore and tails from 85 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: a crew that can tell you anything you want to 86 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: know about the incredible surroundings, you know, like the Old West, 87 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 1: the Grand Canyon, all of that. And that was what 88 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: she loved to do when she wasn't teaching. So, Troy Slayton, 89 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 1: how did this guy get out of jail? What do 90 00:05:56,320 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: we know about her so called friend? Troy Slayton actually 91 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: bonded him out. He was in custody on theft and 92 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: gun charges and she let him out of jail because 93 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: it seems like they had some sort of romantic interest 94 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: in each other. And there is nothing at this point 95 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 1: that connects him to her disappearance, according to Troy Slight, 96 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: and there was a romantic relationship between her and the 97 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: so called friend, but that's not according to her family. Listen, 98 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: Mice has had a big heart. She's trying to help 99 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: out him. You know, if he's he was her boyfriend 100 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 1: or not or just her friend. She she wanted to 101 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: help someone that was having a hard time because she 102 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: believed it was the way to help him turn his 103 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: life around. Now, romance or no romance, What we do 104 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: know is the missing teacher. Catherine bails him out. Bails 105 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: him out. Now, what we think is that he took 106 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: off in her car. Let me go back out to 107 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: Sheryl White, Crime Stories investigative reporter. Why is it believed 108 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: he carjacked her car after she bails him out. Well, 109 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 1: there are reports out of Arizona that there was blood 110 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: found and her blood found in her Rev four that 111 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: he was driving when he was arrested. Take a listen 112 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: to what we learned right after the arrest. He was 113 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: in jail accused of stealing his sister's car. Back in 114 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: August that sister Lauren Mossman spoke with me by phone 115 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: saying her brother his long dealt with drug and mental 116 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:32,679 Speaker 1: health issues. Quote, he's sick, He's really sick. Mossman tells 117 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: me her brother and Katherine Grossby met at a William's 118 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: restaurant back in August, where Malson waited tables, which sparked 119 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: a romantic relationship. After the August incident, Mossman tells me 120 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: she did not want her brother bonded out of jail, 121 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: but Grossby had a plan to get him back on 122 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: his feet. Malson sister says her brother had a lot 123 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: of problems. Quote, I knew he was going to snap, 124 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: but I never thought he'd do this. It's unclear what 125 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: specifically she's referencing, but says he cried while on the 126 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: phone with her. Jail Sunday night, mails On and custody 127 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: on unrelated charges, considered a suspect, and Grossby's disappearance, his 128 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: sister telling me, quote, our hearts are with Catherine and 129 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: her family. Mike Pelton, ABC fifteen Arizona officers arrested Charlie 130 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: Melson after responding to the report of a possible stolen vehicle. 131 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: You know what I'm learning to Dr Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatrist. 132 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: He was bailed out by the missing teacher for carjacking 133 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: his own sister. That's where the theft comes from. Carjacking 134 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: on his own sister. The sister tells police he called 135 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: her and told her the van, the keys, everything was that, 136 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: the Canyon Club and Williams. She found that out and 137 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: they found the car. Now that's what happened. Also, he 138 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 1: had been carrying a loaded barretta nine millimeter handgun and 139 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 1: that the gun was hot. I a stolen So let 140 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: me understand something, Dr bober How does a beautiful young girl, 141 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: a kindergarten teacher that works as a tour guide in 142 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: her spare time fall for a creep like this? How 143 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: does that work? Bober? Well, Nancy, you see it every 144 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: day in society, women who seemingly have everything going for 145 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: them going for people who have have low moral character. 146 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: Of a lot of times it's because of self esteem 147 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: issues and you know all the things that we hear 148 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: in pop psychology going back to your childhood. So unfortunately, 149 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: very often the right people don't come into contact with 150 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: the right people. Sometimes it's people like this. Well, this 151 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: is what we know. Ever since Catherine gross Be bailed 152 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: him out, she has not been seen since. And then 153 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: her body turns up, you know, in the in this 154 00:09:55,920 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: distant location and her car covered in blood. That's what 155 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 1: we know right now, Cheryl White, what more can you 156 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: tell me? Well, I can tell you that the same 157 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: guy is also accused of assaulting a female student at 158 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: Arizona State University in her dorm room. I don't get it. 159 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: It's like a revolving door, Alan Duke, the student in 160 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: her dorm room, the car jacking, the sister. Now, the 161 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: body of this missing Arizona kindergarten teacher is found after 162 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: she bails him out. He allegedly steals her car and 163 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 1: uses all our credit cards and she ends up Dad, 164 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: Alan do I was watching this interview of the sister 165 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: of this man. Said he was sick, he was really, 166 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: really sick. Said I knew he was going to snap, 167 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: but I never thought he'd do this. And this is 168 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: the guy's sister. But when she says sick, that she's 169 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: just talking about he's on drugs. That's not a mental illness, allan. 170 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: So she's saying, I knew he was going to snap, 171 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: but I never thought he'd do this. So Daniel Bober 172 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,199 Speaker 1: helped me out with this volunteery. Use of drugs or 173 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: alcohol is not going to be a defense, Daniel, correct, Nancy. 174 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: And this is what this guy has sounds a lot darker, 175 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: a lot more sinister than just simple substances. I mean, 176 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 1: sounding more and more like the guys a full blown sociopath. 177 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: Given his history and what we're learning, Allan do is 178 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 1: that they met at a restaurant near the railroad. This 179 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: is according to that sister. She says it was her 180 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:26,439 Speaker 1: understanding that her brother met the teacher at a restaurant 181 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: near the railroad in Williams, and that she befriended him 182 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: and they became romantically involved, which led up to this tragedy. 183 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: I mean, his history, his rap. She goes all the 184 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: way back to we know two thousand and twelve, convicted 185 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 1: of agg assault on a police officer resisting arrest. I 186 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: mean when a cop tells you to stop, but your 187 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: hands up, stop and put your hands up. Uh d 188 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: you why the card jack of the sister, the alleged 189 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: attack in a door room. It goes on and on 190 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: and Dr Bober, I'm looking for answers. How could somebody 191 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: like Catherine get mixed up with a guy like this. Well, 192 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: this is a career criminal. And what we know about 193 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: people who have personality types like this, psychopathic personalities or 194 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 1: antisocial um different terms for very similar things are they're 195 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: very cunning, they're very scheming, and they're very charismatic, and 196 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 1: people get taken in by them, like for example, uh, 197 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: you know Ted Bundy with someone who fit this type 198 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: of personality, who was very cunning, very scheming. 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In the quote child Support Recovery Unit, 239 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: I e. Chase and deadbeat dads. But who would have 240 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: thunk a multimillionaire family living in a what eight million 241 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: dollar mansion? He's a deadbeat dad? I mean, I see, Grace. 242 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: This is crime stories. Thank you for being with us. 243 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: This shows it doesn't matter how rich you are, how 244 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: educated you are, how many children you have or don't have, 245 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: what zip code you live in. They're deadbeat dad's everywhere. 246 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: I'm talking about Tori Spelling's husband, now accused of failure 247 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: to make a fifteen hundred dollar a month child support 248 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: payment for his son from his first marriage. Now, remember everybody, 249 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: Tori Spelling's husband was once happily married until he went 250 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: to Canada. I believe it was Vancouver to shoot a 251 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: made for TV movie, and there he met sim fatale 252 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: TV star and multi millionaire Tori Spelling. Her father ere 253 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: and Spelling made a slew of mega hits in Hollywood 254 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: like Heart to Heart, Beverly Hills, nine O two one, 255 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: oh elks terres Chuck, Radar online dot com. How many 256 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: hits did Aaron Spelling? May I think that they intentionally 257 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: have the biggest mansion in Hollywood. They had, They did 258 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: the biggest mansion Holly was a one hundred million dollar house, 259 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: the biggest thing you have ever seen. It had its 260 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: own gift wrapping room. Aaron Spelling was the wealthiest man 261 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: in Hollywood. He did also did Dynasty. He did every 262 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: successful television show for decades, and then he dropped head 263 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: suddenly and Tori's mom, Candy Spelling, cut her off. Aaron 264 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: didn't leave his kids anything in the well. He left 265 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: them like eight hundred thousand dollars, and Candy has since. 266 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: I don't know why you're saying that's nothing, because that 267 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: sounds like a whole lot to me. What happened to 268 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: that eight hundred grand? She spent it in a hot minute. 269 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,640 Speaker 1: That's almost a million dollars. Alexis Tourez Chuck, I don't 270 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: know what neighborhood you're living in, but a million bucks 271 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: is a lot to me. Well, did poor little rich 272 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 1: girl Tori Spelling? It was not It is a lot 273 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: of money. It's a lot of money to me, But 274 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: for someone who grew up in a hundred million dollar house, 275 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 1: it's maybe one month of spending and that's what she did. So, 276 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 1: Tori Spelling has five children with Dean McDermott, but he 277 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 1: has a child from a previous his previous marriage. Has 278 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: anybody told them where babies come from? I mean they 279 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 1: This is what I know. Troyce Layton, high powered defense 280 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: attorney joining me out of l A. Every time I 281 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: turn on my ipadisee a new story about Tori Spelling 282 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: not paying her bills, American Express suing her for like 283 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 1: I gotta look it up, like eighty thousand dollars. This 284 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: that they moved from house to house to house some 285 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: people claim to avoid eviction. Don't know if that part's true. 286 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:02,959 Speaker 1: But they house shop all the time. They live in 287 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:07,400 Speaker 1: rentals that are like fifteen sixty thousand dollars a month rentals. 288 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 1: And this guy owes her husband, he's got five children 289 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: with her, but now he owes one hundred thousand dollars 290 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: for years of not paying. No. No, Now, isn't it true, 291 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: Troyce Layton, you're the defense lawyer that he was just 292 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 1: in Iceland and Mexico with his wife on luxury vacations 293 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 1: and he can't pay for his child by that first wife. Troy, 294 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 1: what's your defense he's going to have to go before 295 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: the judge in what's called in order to show cause 296 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 1: recontempt and explain why he shouldn't be held in contempt 297 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 1: for failing to keep the promise that he made to 298 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: the court of pain at least fifteen hundred dollars a 299 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: month towards that hundred thousand dollars arrears. Now all the 300 00:18:55,600 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 1: money that Tory Troy Troy, I love the way said 301 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: that the promise he made. When you say the promise 302 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: he made to at least pay the fifteen hundred dollars 303 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,439 Speaker 1: a month, you mean when his first wife brought him 304 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: to court back in March and he was heading to 305 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: jail for lack of payment, and he started crying. He 306 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: started crying. Dr Daniel Bober forensic psychiatrists joining us. Dr Bober, 307 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: I'm all about showing your emotions, but Dr Bober, the 308 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 1: man is sitting outside of court crying because he might 309 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: be sent to jail. Like every other deadbeat dad in 310 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: America is supposed to swearing, blubbering, snodding all over himself 311 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 1: in front of God and everybody, as we like to 312 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: say that he swears he's gonna pay the child support 313 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 1: he swears, hello, he has not gotten a job, and 314 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: in fact, he's been lounging in Iceland, in Mexico on 315 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 1: luxury vacations. What about all those tears and so not? 316 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: What happened to that bober Well and Nancy. It just 317 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: goes to show you that it's a class Susan something 318 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: you buy. This is not about how much money you have. 319 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 1: This is about character and whether you're a dead beet 320 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,199 Speaker 1: dad and you make thirty dollars a year or you're 321 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 1: worth a hundred million dollars. It's about character and not 322 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: beating your responsibilities. And you know what, Troy Slayton, hold on, 323 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: I heard what you where you were heading with that? 324 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: That's Tori Spelling's money. Now. I know Alexis Terreschuk said 325 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 1: that Tory Spelling got cut off. But let me tell 326 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 1: you something, Slayton. Tori Spelling is not paying for that 327 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 1: whatever fifty thou dollar a month mansion. She's just living. 328 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: She just moved into by her yard. Still she has 329 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: in the front yard. Okay, can you hear me, Troy? 330 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 1: That mom has got to be supporting her and she's 331 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 1: got all that pipeline of money coming in and can't 332 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: pay fifteen hundred dollars a month child sport. I'm the 333 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: only person I know, Troy, the only that paid my 334 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: student loan. I paid it for ten straight years, a 335 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: hundred and seventy seven dollars and eleven cents I still remember. 336 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: And I was rock bottom, broke poor, a mayor can express. 337 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: I had to contest their bills every month so I 338 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: could get enough money scrape it together to pay him 339 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: at the end of the month. So I paid that 340 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: loan come hell or high water. In fact, I was 341 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: so used to paying it, overpaid him one month and 342 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: they sent it back to me. I framed at Troy, 343 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: So why can't he scrape together the money for this child? 344 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: The court's going to take into consideration all of his 345 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: other obligations and his income. What obligation other children? He 346 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 1: has five children with Tori, spelling that he's also responsible 347 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:37,439 Speaker 1: for children six, specifically six children's son Liam ten, Finn five, 348 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:42,640 Speaker 1: both six months, daughter Stella nine, Hattie seven. My goodness, 349 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: that's quite a brood again, did anybody tell them where 350 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: babies come from? You know, Alexis Toures chuck Radar online 351 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 1: dot com. Every time they have a new baby, don't 352 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 1: they have like a photo shoot and there's the possibility 353 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 1: of a new reality show and and all of that. 354 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 1: What's happening? Tell me about their money? These two are 355 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,360 Speaker 1: the I want to say, the hardest workers in Hollywood. 356 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: I don't think that's right, because these two are constantly 357 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: trying to get themselves on another reality show so they 358 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: can eat together. But they do. You're exactly right. Tori's 359 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: mom Candy through her a fifty thousand dollar baby shower 360 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: for this last baby. Wait a minute, Wait a minute, 361 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: Wait a minute. I've got to get my producer, Jackie 362 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: up off the floor. Jackie, get up. Okay, you gotta 363 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 1: get back to work. Okay, put your flip flops back on, 364 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: get back to work. Yes, she said, a fifty thousand 365 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 1: dollar baby shower. Why am I putting grapes and cheese 366 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,719 Speaker 1: on toothpicks in the kitchen when I throw a baby shower. 367 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: They had a fifty thousand dollar baby shower at the 368 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: fanciest hotel in Beverly Hills with what what is that? 369 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: What's the fanciest hotel them? Hotel bel Air? Oh my okay, 370 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,959 Speaker 1: keep going, And it was over the top. Candy spared 371 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: no expense whatsoever. You know, these balloon arranged mean's candy, food, 372 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 1: champagne for the non pregnant people, just an over the 373 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 1: top party. And so Tori and her husband are constantly 374 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 1: trying to find something to make some money, and they 375 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: do all these they also take these trips for free. 376 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: So that's what Dean's gonna say. He's so sneaky, He's 377 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: gonna say, well, we took all these trips for free, 378 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 1: and we just have to get free trips to Iceland. 379 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: I want to go to Iceland. Everybody's going to Iceland. 380 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: Now you need to go. The Real Housewives of Orange 381 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: County just went. I want to go see the Northern Lies, 382 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: but I want to get back to the free party. 383 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: That's what she does. She gets people because people care 384 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 1: about her. So she's got a following on Instagram and 385 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: people pay her for things, and then she puts pictures 386 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 1: up online and she gets money. So she is working 387 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 1: the system within that she works in. She knows how 388 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 1: to exploit Hollywood because she's been in it for a 389 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: hundred years. So she and her husband are definitely making money. 390 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: How would those kids eat? They're constantly see them at 391 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: Target with like three shopping cards worth of stuff targets 392 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: not giving them that stuff for free. They are spending 393 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: money that they are making, but they are not giving 394 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:07,439 Speaker 1: it to his son, you know, Dodger Daniel Bober forensic psychiatrists. 395 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: I think this is some sort of an illness because 396 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: when we go to target, um, I actually had to 397 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: cut back our target trips. But when we go to target, 398 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: right before we get to the check out, I go, 399 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: everybody take two things out that we don't need, and 400 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 1: that's a target for Pete's sake. What is this with 401 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: the compulsive spending? Dr Bober, Well, you know, there's a 402 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: principle in economics that says that people will tend to 403 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: spend more on luxury items than necessities. So clearly their 404 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 1: priorities need to be rearranged because they're out of step 405 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: with reality. You know, I'm I'm looking at what the 406 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: mom um the son Mary Joe used to says, quote, 407 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 1: he bounces my son's tuition, is delinquent in paying my 408 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: son my son's therapist bills, while he shops visibly and 409 00:24:55,040 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 1: throws lavish parties for his other five children. Okay, uh, 410 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 1: the the home is eight thousand dollars a month and 411 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,679 Speaker 1: I'm looking at it right now. It's huge. There's a 412 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: giant tennis court, a pool house, a pool, another little house. Um, well, 413 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 1: it's humongous. It's Where's Woodland Hills? Allen d What is 414 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,360 Speaker 1: Woodland Hills? That's where they live. Woodland Hills is right 415 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: next to Calabasas, you know, the famous area of the 416 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: Kardashians and a lot of other famous people live in. 417 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,120 Speaker 1: It's just out the one oh one. Well, I mean, 418 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 1: is it a nice area? What? What can you tell 419 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: me about it? Yes, there's some very nice areas of 420 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: Woodland Hills. Uh, too expensive for my blood. Now I 421 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,159 Speaker 1: want to go back to Alexis Torres check Dan McDermott. 422 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,880 Speaker 1: Tory Spelling's husband was just in court in March. Remember 423 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 1: I told you out in the hall snodding and crying. 424 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: What became of that? Wasn't that when the first wife, 425 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,880 Speaker 1: Mary Joe Eustace took him to court to make him 426 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: pay child support or else go to jail? How did 427 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: he manage to get out of jail that time? He 428 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: scraped together a couple of thousand dollars, which we can 429 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: only imagine came from Candy Spelling, his mother in law 430 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 1: because they don't have any money. But he you, he 431 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: Tory are hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt. So 432 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: he just said, I don't have a single time to 433 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: give you. We just got sued by a bank saying 434 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: that we owe them two hundred and eighty thousand dollars. Wait, wait, 435 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: what what a bank says they owe two hundred and 436 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: eight five thousand dollars for what? For a loan that 437 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 1: they took out that they never repaid. So they are 438 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: what's the phrase, borrowing from Peter to pay Paul. They're 439 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: taking out bank loans from this bank to pay off 440 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: this credit card. I mean they have no money, is 441 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: what they say all the time. And that's what he 442 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: tells the judge. Daniel Bober, as much as I look 443 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,880 Speaker 1: up to you, your last answer was very unsatisfied. Dr 444 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: Daniel Bober. Psychiatrists joining me what I'm talking about? Well, 445 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: I didn't really understand. I'm asking you about the compulsive spending. 446 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: Why people do it? Because according to sources, Tori Spellings 447 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 1: debt is massive and it seems to be that she 448 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: is buried under six figures. That's at least a hundred 449 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: thousand dollars, but more like five or six hundred thousand 450 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: dollars of credit card debt and back taxes. I mean, 451 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: the last thing I want to do is a massive 452 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: the tax man. I mean it's not the last, but 453 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,439 Speaker 1: one of the last things I want to do. You 454 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 1: do not want the I R s three inches up 455 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: your tail pipe. You do not because they get a 456 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: hold of you and they won't let go. And once 457 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: they start on you, they stick with you for years 458 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: to come. But they owe taxes and credit card debt. 459 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: I don't understand that with all that money. Why, well, 460 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 1: you know what, Nancy, compulsive spending, compulsive gambling, compulsive sexual behavior. 461 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 1: It's really all about the same thing, which is using 462 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 1: behaviors to deal with uncomfortable feelings. So they're very well 463 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:05,679 Speaker 1: might be some underlying mental illness, and Tori, she's using 464 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 1: these spending spreese to cope with these feelings that she's 465 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 1: dealing with. What feelings? She's got five beautiful children, she 466 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: lives in a mansion, her mom gives her unlimited money, 467 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: and she's a TV star. What feelings are you talking 468 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 1: about that she's dealing with? Well, you know, Nancy, you 469 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: look around, you look over your shoulder. There's always someone 470 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: that has it worse off than you, and for some people, 471 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: it's never good enough. It's never enough. It's that's something 472 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,199 Speaker 1: that's in their personality and their character, a sense of 473 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 1: entitlement and things that they never had that they well, 474 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: this is what we know. Tori Spellings shame. Her husband 475 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: d McDermott's son bank account was drained and the dad 476 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: beat dad's i R S doing reports. The i R 477 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: S emptied the couple's bank accounts for years of unpaid 478 00:28:53,680 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: federal taxes, and that includes son Jack's savings also drained. 479 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: Let me ask you, Alexis Terress, Chuck Radar Online dot Com, 480 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: Troy Slaton, Troy, when we are talking about this mountain 481 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,719 Speaker 1: of debt, I mean, I don't see any way they 482 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: can declare bankruptcy, can they? They certainly can, However, there's 483 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: a lot of requirements in order to do that. But 484 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: more importantly, Nancy, we don't have a debtors prison in 485 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: this country, and the court certainly isn't going to help 486 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: anyone by throwing Dean McDermott into jail, which is one 487 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: of the options available to the court if he doesn't 488 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: keep his promises. You know, I agree, we don't have 489 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: a debtor's prison, but dead beat dads that don't support 490 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 1: their children, you know, just drop How is that going 491 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: to drop off a pack of pamps on the front 492 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: porch once a month that doesn't work? How is that 493 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: going to help pay the bills putting him in jail? Well, 494 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 1: when they get out of jail, they'll certainly be motivated. 495 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 1: But this is nothing new for these two. Alexis Terress 496 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: Chuck writer online dot com. A new lawsuit was filed 497 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: where City National Bank is suing them for failure to 498 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: pay on that loan you first talked about. According to 499 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: l A Superior court documents, the couple board four hundred 500 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: thousand dollars from the bank. Not only that, there's a 501 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: hundred and eighty five thousand dollars plus additional interest um 502 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: going on. In another line, what about American Express? American 503 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 1: Express said that they had not paid their bills. I 504 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: believe that was to the tune of a hundred thousand dollars. 505 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: They are literally maxing out every credit card, getting money 506 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: from every bank they will give them alone. And of 507 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 1: course people will probably give Tori Spelling Alan based on 508 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: what they think about her Hollywood image instead of actually 509 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: looking at her actual finances, which are in a terrible situation. 510 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 1: And she is you know, she was even at the 511 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: pumpkin patch this last weekend. I've been to that pumpkin 512 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: patch one time. It is the most expensive pumpkin patch 513 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: you could ever imagine. I guess because she's a celebrity. 514 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 1: Maybe she gets in for free, but she is gets 515 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 1: that have a pumpkin patch where like a teeny tiny 516 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: pumpkin is fifteen dollars and it's outrage tory spelling. Inde 517 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: McDermott allegedly burned through eighteen million dollars in eight years. 518 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 1: Eighteen million dollars in eight years, according to Star. How 519 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: do they do it? This as they're being sued by 520 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: American Express for eighty seven thousand dollars of credit card debt. 521 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 1: You know, Dr Daniel Bober, psychiatrists, you try to suggest 522 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: it was to salve some deep seated emotional issues. Bs Bober, 523 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: I'm not buying that. You could say that about every 524 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: single person that's they can't pay their credit cards in America. 525 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 1: There's a mental problem. I'm not buying that. Nancy. It's 526 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: a it's a spectrum. It comes in degrees. I'm not 527 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: saying that every person that can't pay their bills has 528 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: a mental illness. I'm just saying that in her case, 529 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: this to someone that always grew up with great wealth, 530 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 1: and she probably never learned, uh to budget, and she's 531 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: not from a family that's approval. So I'm not saying 532 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: that is necessarily mental illness. I'm just saying it's something that, uh, 533 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 1: in her case, might be due to it. Well, all 534 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 1: I know is the sun is standing by Troy Slayton 535 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 1: seeing lavish parties throw for the other five children while 536 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: his savings account was drained and his tuition payment bounced. Troy, 537 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: that's what he's going through. That's certainly not a good thing, 538 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: and I can't imagine how he must be feeling. However, 539 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 1: you can't pay what you don't have. And although all 540 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 1: it may look lavish to the outside, that's not Dean 541 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: McDermott about getting a job, you thought of that. Troy's 542 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 1: getting a job, you know, working, you know that thing 543 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 1: you do in court, the work thing. My dad who 544 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: worked for McDonald's flipping burgers. Yes, yes, anything, just work 545 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 1: for Pete's sake. Don't live off your wife like a leech. 546 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 1: Long story short, this is what I know, Alexis. You 547 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: met my father and my mother many times. My dad 548 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: would go to work at the real Road even when 549 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: he was having chest pains in the morning. My mom 550 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 1: never missed today's work. Why why both of them even 551 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: having second jobs? And if they can do it and 552 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 1: I can do it, he can do it. So it's 553 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 1: jail for him. That's my prediction. Well, it ain't over yet. 554 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 1: There's even more in the sex assault investigations of Hollywood. 555 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: Haunch a Harvey Weinstein with me Alexis Tores Chuck right 556 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 1: online dot com Alexis, what's happening now? Well, Harvey Weinstein 557 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 1: officially resigned from his board the Weinstein Company. Even though 558 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,280 Speaker 1: he was fired on October eighth. There was a board 559 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: meeting on Tuesday and he apologized. He actually said, I 560 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,320 Speaker 1: have a real problem, and I'm sorry. I'm sorry for 561 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 1: the trouble and confusion I've caused. He was apparently very contrite. 562 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: He was on the phone from his treatment center in Arizona. 563 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:38,839 Speaker 1: He was treatment center. What he's entered treatment? What right? 564 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 1: That's I've got a treatment center form, it's the l 565 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,839 Speaker 1: A County jail. How about that treatment center, Well, what 566 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,280 Speaker 1: people are saying is is that it's a sex addiction 567 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: treatment center. Okay, wait a minute. Dr Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatrist. 568 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 1: Every time a rich guy gets busted for rape, sex harassment, 569 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 1: sex assault, cheating, he claims he has an addiction. I 570 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: have never bought into the sex addiction thing. I think 571 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,919 Speaker 1: it's basically some people, if they can get away with it, 572 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,360 Speaker 1: they do it. Well, you know what, Nancy, I, the 573 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 1: American Psychiatric Association doesn't really recognize sex addiction as a 574 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:21,400 Speaker 1: real illness. I do think some people exhibit compulsive sexual behavior, 575 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 1: but I think in Mr Weinstein's case, I really see 576 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: it as a complete cop out. I think this is 577 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: just a guy who's really narcissistic and predatory and is 578 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 1: self obsessed and feels like the rules don't apply to 579 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,319 Speaker 1: him and he can do whatever he wants. So I 580 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: think this is probably something that was generated by his 581 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,439 Speaker 1: publicists and his lawyers uh to cover up for really 582 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,839 Speaker 1: bad behavior that was totally willful on his part. Well, 583 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 1: Alexa's Terress Chut with Radar Online dot Com psychologist and 584 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 1: six therapists are now speaking out insisting that sex addictions 585 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:56,360 Speaker 1: are not a real disorder, and the rehab cannot quote 586 00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: treat someone accused of right this, After thirty war women 587 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: and climbing have accused him of sex, harassment and or rape, 588 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 1: Weinstein changes his private jet route mid air and goes 589 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,319 Speaker 1: to Wickenburg, Arizona for a thirty seven thousand dollars a 590 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: month treatment facility. The meadows where people like Tiger Woods 591 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:27,400 Speaker 1: and Kate Moscow, I mean Alexis, they have equine therapy. 592 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 1: You know where you go pet a horse. This guy 593 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,840 Speaker 1: should have been charged with rape and let a jury 594 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 1: decide what really happened. I mean. Now they're multiple women's 595 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,840 Speaker 1: women claiming he didn't just threaten me or chase me 596 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 1: around in his bathrobe, he raped me. Well, finally, it 597 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 1: looks like that some local law enforcement agencies in New York, 598 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 1: they have said the Law Enforcement New York and says, 599 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 1: we are investigating cases that are against him. We don't 600 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,920 Speaker 1: care about statute of limitations. We don't think they apply here. 601 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 1: We are looking into him, and they're talking about criminally 602 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:05,760 Speaker 1: prosecuting him as well as the Los Angeles City Attorney 603 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 1: Mike Fear announced he said, look, this is an epidemic. 604 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: We want you to come forward. I understand this could 605 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,319 Speaker 1: be tough. Come to the police. We are ready and 606 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 1: willing to prosecute not only Harvey Weinstein, but anyone else. 607 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 1: Don't be afraid because they want the people to come 608 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 1: forward because he's ready. Well, we now know if American police, 609 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 1: such as NYPD, we're afraid to do anything to the 610 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 1: mighty Harvey Weinstein. Even after they got one of his 611 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 1: alleged victims on a wire, getting Weinstein to basically admit 612 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 1: he had groped her against her will, they did nothing 613 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 1: about it. That's you, Manhattan District Attorney. Now Scotland Yard 614 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 1: is up his tail, Alexis. They are because there have 615 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,360 Speaker 1: been multiple women in London who have said that Harvey 616 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,719 Speaker 1: raped them, so they are looking into it as well. 617 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,879 Speaker 1: And this is such a good thing that so many 618 00:37:55,920 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 1: people feel so empowered after decades of silence to come forward, 619 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 1: and because for so long they had to hide it, 620 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 1: because Harvey was the most powerful person in Hollywood, without 621 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,319 Speaker 1: a doubt, And so they now are coming forward. They're 622 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,680 Speaker 1: talking to their friends, their second publicly, and they're talking 623 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,920 Speaker 1: to law enforce. When they're talking to the police, and 624 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 1: there might actually be some legal repercussions for him. He 625 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,280 Speaker 1: might actually get arrested and prosecute it for these crimes. 626 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 1: Many sex therapists and mental health professionals insist there's no 627 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 1: such thing as sex addiction, and, according to Dr Daniel 628 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 1: Bober forensics psychiatrists joining me today, it is not recognized 629 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:37,280 Speaker 1: as an official disorder by the American Academy of Psychiatry. 630 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 1: Son insists the quote diagnosis is used as an excuse 631 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 1: for people to just justify their bad behavior and their crimes. Um. 632 00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:54,640 Speaker 1: Dr Bober, you refer to compulsive acts. Compulsivity can span 633 00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,880 Speaker 1: the boards. Like we're just talking about Tori Spelling compulsively 634 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:03,120 Speaker 1: spending money. Now we're talking talking about Harvey Weinstein compulsively 635 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:09,680 Speaker 1: sex harassing, assaulting, allegedly even raping women. It's compulsive. It's 636 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,640 Speaker 1: lack of impulse control. That is not a mental illness. Bober. 637 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,280 Speaker 1: Hold on, I'm gonna throw that detroite late and defense attorney, 638 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,800 Speaker 1: because this is going to turn into a mental defect. Defense. 639 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,799 Speaker 1: That's not a mental illness. Troice lightness. Well, if you 640 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 1: can convince the jury that he, if there were to 641 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,719 Speaker 1: be a criminal trial, that he was unable to tell 642 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,600 Speaker 1: right from wrong. That could provide a defense. But the 643 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,120 Speaker 1: thing that concerns me is it seems like a lot 644 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:40,759 Speaker 1: of people jumping on a potential bandwagon for money. There's 645 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,719 Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of civil suits from people like 646 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:48,520 Speaker 1: Gloria Allread and now somewhat disgraced um attorney Lisa blow 647 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:53,560 Speaker 1: Royce Light. You mentioned Gloria Allread, but and Lisa blame 648 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:59,600 Speaker 1: her daughter. Lisa cannot represent any of these victims ethically, 649 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 1: becau cause I don't think she can because she briefly 650 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:08,640 Speaker 1: represented Weinstein. True, she ditched him, but she briefly represented him. 651 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:12,760 Speaker 1: But I can see Gloria representing many of these sex 652 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:18,560 Speaker 1: attack victims. I mean Harvey Weinstein's seeking sex addiction treatment. Seriously, 653 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:23,440 Speaker 1: what it is is misogyny and taking advantage of those 654 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:28,440 Speaker 1: weaker than yourselves. That is not a mental illness. Troy, So, 655 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,560 Speaker 1: how do you think this is going to line up 656 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,279 Speaker 1: in court? Because that's where it's added. Well, he is 657 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:37,000 Speaker 1: protected by what's called the statute of limitations, and many 658 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,160 Speaker 1: of these cases, many of them are so old that 659 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,600 Speaker 1: they're what's called time barred. They're so old that he 660 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,600 Speaker 1: can no longer be prosecuted and the career prosecutors in 661 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,320 Speaker 1: the Los Angele and the so far in Los Angeles, 662 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:56,959 Speaker 1: but in New York County they've declined to prosecute. These 663 00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,520 Speaker 1: are career prosecutors who looked at the evidence compiled by 664 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,480 Speaker 1: the ny BED and said that there's not enough evidence 665 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 1: to bring a criminal case. Okay, what what about this? 666 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 1: Dr Daniel? But is with me, forensic psychiatrist. We see 667 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:16,320 Speaker 1: a long parade of men getting caught in this type 668 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:20,800 Speaker 1: of hypocrisy climbing. They've got sex addiction. Now, what Troy 669 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,360 Speaker 1: Slightness saying is that a statute of limitations may stop 670 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,160 Speaker 1: some women from coming forward because the cases are too old. 671 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,120 Speaker 1: But in New York and California and other states, there 672 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:34,640 Speaker 1: is no statute on certain sex attacks, so even old 673 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,799 Speaker 1: cases can come forward. Dr boburg I just wanted to 674 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,960 Speaker 1: comment on something that Troy had said. You know, in 675 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:45,480 Speaker 1: terms of uh an insanity defense, clearly the difference between wrong. 676 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:47,960 Speaker 1: I don't think that he can use sex addiction as 677 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:52,000 Speaker 1: a defense because again, the behavior was wilful, it was volitional, 678 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:53,799 Speaker 1: and he knew exactly what he was doing and why 679 00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,399 Speaker 1: he was doing it. Alexis toures Chuck Radar online dot 680 00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:01,239 Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter, Isn't it true? Glory Alread just made 681 00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:06,560 Speaker 1: a pretty interesting offer to Harvey Weinstein. What was it, Alexis? 682 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,359 Speaker 1: She said, Look, Harvey, there are gonna be a lot 683 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,279 Speaker 1: of women that are gonna come forward. I've already had 684 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,439 Speaker 1: a lot of women talk to me. What you could 685 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,719 Speaker 1: do is you should go into arbitration or mediation, meaning 686 00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:18,759 Speaker 1: there are two options. He could go in front of 687 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,960 Speaker 1: a judge, a neutral judge, with these women. You can 688 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,480 Speaker 1: present your side, Harvey. These women will present their side, 689 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 1: the judge will decide, and then if there's any sort 690 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,399 Speaker 1: of payment that the judge feels you should be paying them, 691 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,480 Speaker 1: you give them. Or another thing would be an arbitration, 692 00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,800 Speaker 1: which would be again everybody would be involved, and a 693 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,239 Speaker 1: settlement would be decided. She's telling Harvey, you're going to 694 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,440 Speaker 1: lose when all of these people come forward, So do 695 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,600 Speaker 1: it now willingly, and it will probably be better for 696 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,080 Speaker 1: you and you can get your truth out there. You're saying, 697 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,120 Speaker 1: all of these people, this is all consensual sex. Nobody 698 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,440 Speaker 1: did anything they didn't want to do. You're not guilty 699 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,640 Speaker 1: that come to come to a legal setting and get 700 00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,759 Speaker 1: your side out there, it would only be beneficial for 701 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,399 Speaker 1: you when if you're telling the true. Well, as Dr 702 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:06,880 Speaker 1: Bober said very clearly, psychiatrists have long debated whether to 703 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:13,239 Speaker 1: include sex addiction as a real diagnosis in the d M. Well, 704 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,480 Speaker 1: let me just say it. Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of 705 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:21,239 Speaker 1: Mental Disorders is the d s M V and yes, 706 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:25,319 Speaker 1: and it has not been included on purpose. Now back 707 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,279 Speaker 1: to what Gloria all Read has offered Weinstein, take a 708 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:34,560 Speaker 1: listen to feigned attorney Gloria Allread. A number of accusers 709 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,799 Speaker 1: have contacted me about their allegations, but I've had to 710 00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,839 Speaker 1: inform them that the statute of limitations, that arbitrary time 711 00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:45,480 Speaker 1: period set by law has expired and it is therefore 712 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:50,239 Speaker 1: too late for them to assert a legal claim. Mr 713 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,000 Speaker 1: Weinstein could, however, decide that he would like to resolve 714 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:57,080 Speaker 1: these allegations and waven agree not to assert the statute 715 00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,680 Speaker 1: of limitations. That is exactly what we believe that he 716 00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,040 Speaker 1: should do. Mr Weinstein may believe that some of these 717 00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:08,280 Speaker 1: claims are false, or he may believe that some are true. 718 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,839 Speaker 1: He may believe that he has not had his day 719 00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,239 Speaker 1: in court on these allegations, and that he has not 720 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:18,040 Speaker 1: been treated fairly. Many women who allege that they are 721 00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:22,560 Speaker 1: his victims feel the same way. I believe that there 722 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,280 Speaker 1: is a way to provide justice for these alleged victims 723 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:30,320 Speaker 1: and for Mr Weinstein. I am inviting him to agree 724 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,960 Speaker 1: to engage in an arbitration of these claims with these 725 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:39,239 Speaker 1: alleged victims and with an agreed upon retired judge. The 726 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:43,279 Speaker 1: women could present their claims of sexual harassment, and Mr 727 00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:47,520 Speaker 1: Weinstein can present his defense. If the judge finds in 728 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:51,840 Speaker 1: favor of the victims, the judge could award damages according 729 00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:56,239 Speaker 1: to proof at trial. If Mr Weinstein prevails, he would 730 00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,719 Speaker 1: be able to announce the result to the public. In 731 00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:03,880 Speaker 1: the alternative, you could also agree to a confidential mediation. 732 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:09,400 Speaker 1: This is a process to resolve these claims, and if 733 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:13,480 Speaker 1: you don't believe it, take a listen for yourself to 734 00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:19,799 Speaker 1: this undercover, secretly taped audio of Harvey Weinstein with one 735 00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,920 Speaker 1: of his alleged victims. I'm telling you right now, what 736 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:24,960 Speaker 1: do we have to do here? Everything? I don't get 737 00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,400 Speaker 1: a tak shower, you sit there and have a drink, 738 00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,520 Speaker 1: don't drink, and I stayed on the bar. You must 739 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:36,320 Speaker 1: have here now, please, I'm not doing anything like embarrassing. 740 00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,520 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't know. Yesterday was a kind of 741 00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:45,120 Speaker 1: aggressive for I need to know a person. Think. Please, 742 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,360 Speaker 1: I swear I won't just suit with meet. Don't embarrass 743 00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:51,520 Speaker 1: me in the hotel here all the time he listen 744 00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,360 Speaker 1: to me. I want to go downstairs, nothing to do, 745 00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:57,560 Speaker 1: and you'll never see me again. Acts if you if 746 00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,680 Speaker 1: you embarrassed me, I'm not embarrassing you, just that I don't. 747 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,759 Speaker 1: I don't feel comfortable. I mean, you don't have a 748 00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,680 Speaker 1: time with me before. Please, I'm not gonna do anything. 749 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,200 Speaker 1: I swear my children. Please come in everything. I'm a 750 00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:13,920 Speaker 1: famous guying, very uncomfortable coming now and one minute and 751 00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:15,440 Speaker 1: if you want to leave when the guy comes with 752 00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,799 Speaker 1: my ess today you touch my grace. Please, I'm sorry. 753 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,560 Speaker 1: Just come on. I'm used to that. You're used to that, 754 00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:28,359 Speaker 1: you know, but I'm not used to that again. If 755 00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,520 Speaker 1: you please, no, I don't want to you just snap 756 00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:40,000 Speaker 1: your embarras call me again. I'm sorry, do anything I know, 757 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:44,640 Speaker 1: but I will never do another thing to you. Five minutes. 758 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,759 Speaker 1: Don't win your friendship with me for five minutes. I know, 759 00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,319 Speaker 1: but it's kind of like it's too much for you. Please, 760 00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,680 Speaker 1: you're making a big scene here, but I want to 761 00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:06,880 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Stories signing of good bye friend. Do 762 00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,200 Speaker 1: you find yourself obsessing over unsolved mysteries? Do you wish 763 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,200 Speaker 1: there was a group of people just like you to 764 00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,239 Speaker 1: talk motives and alibis with. 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