1 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephane 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: Never Told You production of iHeartRadio. And today is time 3 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: for another female first, which means we are so happy 4 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 1: to be joined by the fabulous, the fantastic Eves. 5 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 2: Welcome Eve, thank you glad to be here again. Yes, 6 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 2: we're so happy to have you. Know. 7 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: I was thinking about this the other day. I'm pretty 8 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: sure this same date last year we recorded an episode 9 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: and I was wearing the same twitter because it's Life Day. 10 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: But anyway, I've been thinking about the passage of time 11 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: lately and how strange it feels. I'm pretty sure I 12 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: was the same time. 13 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 3: You have a really good memory. 14 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 4: Oh, she has a lot of traditions too, as a reminder, 15 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 4: generals like she does have a really good memory because 16 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 4: she doesn't remember stuff like this anyway. But it also 17 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 4: helps that this is life Day and this is what 18 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 4: she does every year on Life Day. No matter what, I'm. 19 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: Just pretty sure I remember explaining it to you last 20 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: year because we were like, is this what sweater? Is this? Anyway, 21 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. I'm excited to have you back. 22 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 3: On Life Day, on the life. 23 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: A very fortuitous life day. Indeed, I'm excited because last 24 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: time you were on, we were talking you've been on 25 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: with your friend and co host Katie from the podcast 26 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: on Team, and you sent Samantha and I these beautiful cards, 27 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: like thank you cards, and they were so exciting to get. 28 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: I can't tell you how I was like, Oh, this 29 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: is so cool. 30 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you. I'm glad you liked it. It's a refrigerator. 31 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: Oh yes, nice, yes, no, so much appreciated. And we're 32 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: probably going to rehash on the stuff we were talking 33 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: about off mic, but we were talking about sending thank 34 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: you cards and the kind of how nice it is 35 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: when you actually get a physical something the mail that 36 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: isn't joke mail or isn't something to make you. 37 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 2: So I was gonna I feel like I sound so old. 38 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 2: Oh those bills, embrace it. That stars early. Honestly, it's 39 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 2: not even an old thing. I mean the life with 40 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 2: the bills. Things starts happening pretty quickly, right, this is true. 41 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 2: This is true. 42 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: And you were talking about having a pin pal and 43 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: all of that stuff and having a friend that you 44 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: did that with, But can you can you talk about 45 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: that a bit more of your kind of thoughts experience 46 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: around the Britain. 47 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I really like having a pin pal, And there's 48 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 2: something about the like because this was a person that 49 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 2: I talked to semi regularly. So it's like saving the 50 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 2: things that you know are big to not till them 51 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 2: in like a text or a phone conversation and then wait, 52 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 2: wait to hold it in the letter. So it's like 53 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,959 Speaker 2: this kind of events building, or just like there's something 54 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,959 Speaker 2: to me being able to access my friends all the time. 55 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 2: I can tell them things whenever I want to, I 56 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 2: can text them, I can send an emergency alert and 57 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 2: it's a second if I need them in any moment. 58 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 2: So I'm so used to just being like if I 59 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 2: need to vent to them, if I really want to 60 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 2: tell them something juicy that just happened, like I can 61 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 2: do that right on the spot. So I feel like 62 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:29,079 Speaker 2: with closer friends, there's something to having them be your 63 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 2: pimpals and holding back on that immediate conversation and the 64 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 2: gratification that comes with that. And then when it's strangers, 65 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 2: there's something nice when it comes to divulging parts of 66 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 2: your personal life to somebody who you don't really know, 67 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 2: who's far away, and those things are contained in a 68 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 2: piece of paper, So it feels more intimate because you 69 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 2: can't just send a text message. It doesn't feel like 70 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 2: you know the Feds are watching or you know they 71 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 2: can immediately send it to somebody else. 72 00:03:58,480 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 3: It's like, it's just. 73 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 2: In this letter, and I need to wait for however 74 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 2: long it takes them, And I don't know how long 75 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 2: it's going to take them because I don't even have 76 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 2: their number for them to send me a letter back. 77 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 3: And when I get it, it's going to be like 78 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 3: a Christmas present in the mail. 79 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 4: It really, you know that That reminds me because I 80 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 4: don't know. Did y'all all have the children's program in 81 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 4: school where you had a pin pal, whether it's from 82 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 4: the state or from a different country. 83 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 3: I can't remember. 84 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 4: I think my mind was from the States. But like 85 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 4: not knowing when your next letter was coming in, and 86 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 4: when it did, it was the best thing, and you 87 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 4: had to take a moment to like run into your 88 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 4: spot to read and open that letter and hope it's 89 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 4: more than just the page. 90 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 3: That's right. 91 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 1: I remember that moment. 92 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 4: Now that you like talk about that, I'm like, oh yeah, 93 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,919 Speaker 4: because you never knew when it was coming and it 94 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 4: was very sad when it stopped, but it was very 95 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 4: nice when you do get them, and it was a 96 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 4: long letter talking about their life, and it was so 97 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 4: different and you're like wow, and then from Indiana. 98 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 2: Did you immediately write back or did you wait a 99 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 2: minute to write back to them? 100 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 4: I think I think I would always start the letter 101 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 4: and then like go on and do something else, whether 102 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 4: it's because someone was yelling at me or I had 103 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 4: to do chorge or leaving or homework, but then I 104 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 4: would come back and then finish it out and hopefully 105 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 4: would tell them different parts. Like one of my favorite 106 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,679 Speaker 4: books is Pride and Prejudice, as well as of several others. 107 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 4: But you know in the book, there's section where they're 108 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 4: writing letters to each other. Obviously that's all they do, 109 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 4: but one of them is her talking about you know, oh, 110 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,359 Speaker 4: this is happening this day, and then it pauses and 111 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 4: then there's like a different type of handwriting. Her handwriting 112 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 4: is rushing to talk about the emergency they just had 113 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 4: and you know that this has been like a couple 114 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 4: of hours. Wait, and when you see that difference, when 115 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 4: you know that that obviously took a break from writing 116 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 4: because they're talking about something else out of nowhere. That 117 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 4: was always fun to try to dissect. Oh, they must 118 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 4: have this must have happened during this moment type of thing, 119 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 4: and it was all in the same letter. 120 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 3: It was always exciting. 121 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 2: It's kind of like you were able to read into 122 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 2: the gaps that were let. 123 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 4: Oh, you're so close that just on paper, you knew 124 00:05:58,120 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 4: what was going. 125 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: On a pretty big trope in like the things I 126 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: have seen of rom coms, of like the letters exchange, 127 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 1: not knowing who it is, maybe falling in love. 128 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 4: There was a moment of like, if it's a guy, 129 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 4: maybe that's gonna be my new boyfriend. 130 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 3: As that's how sad I was. 131 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 1: Yes, thank you, because I had a pinpal. I think 132 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 1: he was from South America somewhere. His name is Raoul, 133 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 1: and I had a moment like in third grade that 134 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 1: me and Raul are gonna, you know, meet something amazing 135 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 1: what happened and we'd fall in love. But I was 136 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: also thinking too, my one of my best friends who's 137 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: still one of my best friends. We were neighbors growing up, 138 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: and I we would write like five page letters to 139 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: each other, I think every Friday, and then we put 140 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 1: like stickers on them and like those little jewel things, 141 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: and we would put them in each other's mailbox and 142 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 1: then you go and get the letter that they'd write. 143 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:05,919 Speaker 1: Even though we saw each other like every day, but 144 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: it would just be. 145 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 3: Like, it's cute. I like it. 146 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: It was really cute. It was so like I was 147 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: excited about it. It was a fun thing that we did. 148 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: So I'm glad. I agree. It's really fun, exciting surprise 149 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: to get something like this, so we both really appreciated it. 150 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 3: I'm glad. 151 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: How has the podcast been going? How is it? 152 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 3: It's going really well. 153 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 2: We're a couple of months into on theme now, and 154 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 2: we've talked about a lot of things that we've had 155 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 2: fun talking about and we're really excited about to talk about. 156 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 3: So far. 157 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 2: You know, we've been able to talk about horror and 158 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 2: magicians and the ways we feel like we're missing out 159 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 2: when we're watching things on tell vision versus how we 160 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 2: experience them in real life. We've talked about regret that 161 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 2: different black storytellers have had about their work when it 162 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 2: comes to the things that they're working on that are 163 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 2: related to race, and a bunch of things. So it's 164 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 2: going really well. I'm feeling good about the way We're 165 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 2: going to close out this year with on theme. 166 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 4: O Brandy and Cinderella. 167 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. 168 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 4: I was thinking about this yesterday because I know you're 169 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 4: coming on this show, and I was like, oh, yeah, 170 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 4: my Roman Empire. I do think it's a movie every day. 171 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 3: Now we have to do it. We have to do it. 172 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 3: It's a classic movie, and it just it's just it's 173 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 3: a request. 174 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: It's it's a friendly request, just a friendly request. 175 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 2: Well, now that people know about it, we have to 176 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 2: hold ourselves accountable. 177 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: Yes, Well, I'm excited for that episode and I'm excited 178 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: for how how this year will close out. But in 179 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: the meantime, who did you bring for us to talk 180 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: about today? Eaves? 181 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 2: So today we're going to talk about doctor Susan Smith 182 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 2: McKinney Stewart. So we have talked about some women who 183 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 2: are in the medical field a few times on the show. 184 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 2: And doctor Susan Smith McKinney Stewart was the first black 185 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 2: woman physician in New York, but she was the third 186 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 2: in the country. 187 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:25,079 Speaker 3: And so the two. 188 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 2: Who were before her were Rebecca Lee Crumpler and the 189 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,319 Speaker 2: other woman was Rebecca J. 190 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 3: Cole. 191 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:35,319 Speaker 2: So we've talked about in the past doctor Rebecca Lee Crumpler, 192 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 2: who was the first black female physician in the US. 193 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 2: We never did an episode on doctor Rebecca J. Cole, 194 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 2: but everyone who's listening can go back and listen to 195 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 2: the episode about Rebecca Lee Crumpler, because that'll give you 196 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 2: a good amount of context on that first and about 197 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 2: all of the context around it. How difficult it was 198 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 2: for women who were getting into medica and at the time, 199 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 2: how oftentimes the men that were in their life, like 200 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,439 Speaker 2: their fathers or their husbands, were the ones who had 201 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 2: to kind of help them get the m roads into 202 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 2: being able to be in the. 203 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 3: Field in general. 204 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 2: How some white women who were already invested in medical 205 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 2: fields were able to provide spaces where more women could 206 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,719 Speaker 2: come into their institutions that they created to get their 207 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 2: own medical degrees, and then over time that ended up 208 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 2: being something that black women had some access to, although 209 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 2: it was still even in the doctor we're talking about today, 210 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 2: hard time difficult to get access to these institutions and 211 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 2: their resources to be able to even go to them 212 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 2: and afford them. But things slowly changed over time. Once 213 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 2: white women's first started being having access to be able 214 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,439 Speaker 2: to participate in medical fields and then were able to 215 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 2: open institutions that could open it up to more women, 216 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 2: but it was still dependent upon what their own politics 217 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 2: were for who they let. 218 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 3: Into these institutions. 219 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 2: So we are in that realm today and talking about 220 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 2: doctor Susan Smith McKinney Stewart. 221 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:09,719 Speaker 3: But of course. 222 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 2: Every woman that we talk about on the show is 223 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 2: important in her own right, has her own story, and 224 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 2: that story comes within the line of so many other 225 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 2: people before her. So just always important to acknowledge people 226 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 2: like doctor Rebecca Lee Crumpler and Rebecca J. Cole who 227 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 2: did similar things before the doctor we're talking about today 228 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 2: came along right absolutely. And I love how so many 229 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 2: of these stories in one way or the other that 230 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 2: you bring Eves. These histories intersects with each other, influenced 231 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 2: each other. So shall we get into the history here, yep. 232 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 3: So we'll start at the beginning. 233 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 2: When she was born in March of eighteen forty seven 234 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 2: in Brooklyn, New York, in the weeks Field neighborhood. So 235 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 2: she was the seventh of ten hield drin born to 236 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 2: Ann and Sylvanus Smith. Her father was black and her 237 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 2: mother was mixed of Native American and French heritage, and 238 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 2: they were pork farmers and they did well for themselves. 239 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 2: The farm was located on what is now Fullton Street 240 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 2: and Buffalo Avenue, and her family was pretty well to do. 241 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 2: They were well accomplished and they were well resourced. Her 242 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 2: sisters and her parents really focused on education for their 243 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 2: children as well. Her sisters were a public school principal, 244 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 2: a teacher, a piano player, and a hairstylist. Those were 245 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 2: some of the occupations that her siblings have. And when 246 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 2: she was young, she learned to play the organ and 247 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,079 Speaker 2: apparently the people who taught her to play the organ 248 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 2: were really well known and well respected organists in New York. 249 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 2: So she had a good education when it came to that, 250 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 2: and that was shown and that she later became choir 251 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 2: director and organist for her church in Brooklyn. 252 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 3: And it said, there's not a ton of. 253 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 2: Information on her early life, her childhood, her upbringing, besides 254 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 2: the fact that her parents are well to do. They 255 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 2: had this farm, and her and her siblings were well educated. 256 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 2: So it's not really a ton known on why she 257 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 2: even chose to go into the medical field. If the 258 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 2: person that we're talking about themselves haven't said anything about 259 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,679 Speaker 2: why they chose to go into that field, what their 260 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 2: impetus was for further pursuing whatever career we're talking about, 261 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 2: or if there aren't any living people descendants left from 262 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 2: that person, and what they have to say about it. 263 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,079 Speaker 2: It's oftentimes a lot of surmising about why they chose 264 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 2: to get into the field. It suggested that she may 265 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 2: have chosen to go into the medical profession because two 266 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 2: of her brothers died during the Civil War and because 267 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 2: she witnessed a cholera outbreak that hit New York City 268 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 2: in eighteen sixty six. But based on the sources that 269 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 2: I've seen, this seems to kind of be an educated 270 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 2: guest based on just the known extent experiences in her life, 271 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:06,079 Speaker 2: and she doesn't ever seem to have documented herself saying 272 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 2: I chose to go into the medical field because of 273 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 2: the tragedies that I've seen in my life and how 274 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 2: medicine helped them. But you know, she was probably exposed 275 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 2: to a lot of things based on the way that 276 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 2: her parents educated her and her siblings, and through whatever 277 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 2: research or whatever way she was exposed to the medical field, 278 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 2: she might have gained her interest in it that way 279 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 2: because her parents were in the medical field either. But anyway, 280 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 2: of course, like we said, black women face barriers to 281 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 2: entry in medical training, and some of those things that 282 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 2: we saw come up previously in doctor Rebecca Crumpler's story, 283 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 2: we see come up in hers. It was difficult for 284 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 2: black women to get entry into medical training, in postgrad education, 285 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 2: into white male led medical institutions, into medical associations which 286 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 2: a lot of them didn't accept women at all, and 287 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 2: things like that. And once they stepped into those doors, 288 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 2: they were excluded in more ways and faced interpersonal acts 289 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 2: of discrimination. But doctor Susan Smith McKinney Stewart still went 290 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 2: in this direction, and the New York Medical College for 291 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 2: Women opened in November of eighteen sixty three. It was 292 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 2: founded by Clement's Sophia Harnett Lowsier. I think I'm pronouncing 293 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 2: that correctly, a wealthy white woman who was a physician 294 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 2: and an abolitionist. And though the school itself was only 295 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 2: for women's students, there were men on the faculty, and 296 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 2: to get in, the students had to be at least eighteen, 297 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 2: they had to have an approved certificate of good moral character, 298 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 2: a good English education, and some other requirements well as 299 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 2: we know, there's a lot of moralizing happening in certain 300 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 2: ways to also around marriage. When it came to women's 301 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 2: medical training, like it was a lot of things about 302 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 2: good matrimony, you know, the ultimate goal of women. 303 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 3: Being married. Anyway, that's another story. 304 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 2: She started going to the New York Medical College for 305 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 2: Women in eighteen sixty seven, and she and the other 306 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 2: students who attended sometimes had to do clinical work, so 307 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 2: sometimes she had to go to Bellevue Hospital, and her 308 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 2: school was all women's students, but when she would go 309 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 2: to this hospital, there would be male students there as well. 310 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 2: And there's an article that talks about the hostility that 311 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 2: those students were met with when they would go to 312 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 2: this hospital. It said that the women were met with quote, 313 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 2: hisses in decent language, paper balls, and other missiles. But 314 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 2: she paid for her schooling on her own and through 315 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 2: her job teaching in the public school system, and she 316 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 2: ended up going to the medical college for three years. 317 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 2: And this is where her first comes in. In eighteen 318 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 2: seventy she got her medical degree from the New York 319 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 2: Medical College for Women and she was nominated to be valedictorian. 320 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 2: So she did well in her schooling and that made 321 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,199 Speaker 2: her the first black American woman to earn a medical 322 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 2: degree in New York State and the third to earn 323 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 2: one in all of the United States. And then she 324 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 2: began practicing medicine. She practiced in Brooklyn and Manhattan, and 325 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 2: she specialized in prenatal care and childhood diseases. 326 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 3: As we often see. 327 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 2: With women at the time, they a lot of them 328 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 2: focused on treating women and children. 329 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 3: She had black and white patients. 330 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:53,719 Speaker 2: And when it came to her personal life, in eighteen 331 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 2: seventy one, she married William G. McKinney, who was a minister, 332 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 2: and she married him. That wasn't long after she left school. 333 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 2: He owned a home in Weeksville and the two of 334 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 2: them had two children together, Anna and William, and she 335 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 2: went on to open a private practice in her home 336 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 2: there in Weeksville and became known for treating malnutrition and children. 337 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 2: And from here her illustrious career in medicine continued. In 338 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,360 Speaker 2: the early eighteen eighties, she taught at the New York 339 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 2: Medical College for Women. In the late eighteen eighties, she 340 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 2: did some postcrap work at the Long Island Medical College Hospital, 341 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 2: where she was the only woman physician and she was 342 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 2: an organizer and co founder of the Brooklyn Women's Homeopathic 343 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 2: Hospital and Dispensary, which opened in eighteen eighty one. She 344 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 2: was a member of their staff until eighteen ninety five. 345 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:53,439 Speaker 2: So she practiced in Brooklyn from around eighteen seventy to 346 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 2: eighteen ninety five. And she was a member of the 347 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 2: King's County Medical Society and the New York State Homeopathic 348 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 2: Medical Society. So she did have two husbands in our lifetime. 349 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 2: In eighteen ninety her husband had a stroke and was paralyzed, 350 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 2: and a few years later, in eighteen ninety four, her 351 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 2: husband ended up dying, and two years after that she 352 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 2: married Theophilis gold Stewart, who was an Army chaplain for 353 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 2: the twenty fifth United States Colored Infantry Regiment. She traveled 354 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 2: across the country with him while he was preaching, and 355 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 2: they also traveled outside of the US, and she was 356 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 2: licensed and practiced medicine in places like Montana and Nebraska, 357 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 2: and apparently, according to some sources, in eighteen ninety seven, 358 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 2: she traveled from Ohio to Haiti to help deliver or 359 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 2: witness the birth of her first grandson. So she was 360 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 2: a resident physician and she taught health and nutrition at 361 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 2: Wilberforce University in Ohio. Eventually, shortly after she began her 362 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,360 Speaker 2: works there in the late eighteen nineties, her husband retired 363 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:08,959 Speaker 2: from the army and he also began teaching there, and 364 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:13,479 Speaker 2: she remained at Wilberforce until she died. Outside of her 365 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 2: medical work, she was socially involved. She cared about education herself, 366 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 2: missionary work, suffrage, and temperance, things that many women were 367 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 2: involved in the day. Not saying that those are all 368 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,880 Speaker 2: issues that I rite for, but she was definitely socially 369 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 2: involved and seemed to be she was a meeting point 370 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 2: for some people, like she was a leader in terms 371 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 2: of the work that she was doing there in some ways. 372 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 2: For instance, she and her sister Sarah Smith helped fundraisers 373 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:46,159 Speaker 2: for the Women's Loyal Union. So the Women's Loyal Union 374 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 2: of New York and Brooklyn had this aim of uplifting 375 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 2: black women's social and political involvement. They were dedicated to 376 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 2: causes like anti lynching and suffrage, and for instance, there 377 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 2: was one time that she held an art exhibit at 378 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,479 Speaker 2: her house to raise money for the union. So people 379 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 2: seem to have looked to her to be a leader 380 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 2: in these for these social causes as well. In nineteen eleven, 381 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 2: she gave a presentation at the first Universal Race Congress 382 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 2: at the University. 383 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 3: Of London in England. 384 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 2: And in nineteen fourteen she gave a speech about women 385 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 2: in medicine at the National Association of Colored Women's Clubs 386 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 2: convention in Ohio. And this speech was about women in 387 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 2: medicine across centuries. It was about how women have made 388 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 2: a name for themselves in medicine across the world and 389 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,959 Speaker 2: over time, and it's worth looking back at those And 390 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 2: she also said that women only schools weren't necessary anymore 391 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 2: and coed was the way to go for equal opportunity, 392 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 2: which was something that a sentiment that was circulating at 393 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 2: the time once women started gaining more entry into women 394 00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 2: only institutions. But yeah, So she died on March seventh 395 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 2: in nineteen eighteen, when she was seventy one years old, 396 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 2: and W. E. B. Du Bois gave the eulogy at 397 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 2: her funeral, And in nineteen seventy four, Junior High School 398 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:14,199 Speaker 2: in Brooklyn was named after her. So that was the 399 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 2: summary of her life. She is of course, after this point, 400 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 2: many more women gain into institutions and started becoming doctors. 401 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:29,640 Speaker 2: So it was kind of that transitional period and she 402 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 2: herself came after other women who like set the stage 403 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 2: for her. 404 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 3: So that is her story. 405 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, she once again, she did so much. I love 406 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: how there's so many pieces of her story, like the 407 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: oregan playing, the teaching and having recognizing the people in 408 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: before her, but also like making space for the people 409 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: after her, which is something we talk about so much 410 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 1: on here, of that importance of paving the way for 411 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,919 Speaker 1: more people to come into this and also yeah, w 412 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: E B. D. Boys speaks at your funeral. That's pretty Yeah, 413 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: that's something. Well, thank you as always, Eves for bringing 414 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: these stories to us with so much care and so 415 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: much nuance. 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