1 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:08,319 Speaker 1: The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football clubs. Are you ready for 3 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 1: a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? 4 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that. 5 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 6 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, A bar Garcia, and Derek Eagleton. 7 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: It is thirty December seventeenth, twenty twenty, season sixteen, episode 8 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: number eighty two. Welcome to the latest edition of The Break, 9 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: presented by Geico. Got my crew in studio with me 10 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: here from the s WBC Mortgage Studios. Nick back with us. 11 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: Happy to have him bat you Ambrasier Studio. We got 12 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: Dave remote to maybe at some point day we'll decide 13 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: to join us. We'll see how that goes. We'll have 14 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: Bucky joining us in just a little bit. He'll give 15 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: us our breakdown of the I'm sorry the play in 16 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: San Francisco, San Francisco's defense versus the Cowboys offense. Before 17 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: we do that, though, I know we do need to 18 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 1: catch up though on some injury updates to day. Why 19 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: don't you catch us up on the entire secondary Like 20 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: what's happening with them as far as injuries are concerned. 21 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: We might have some dbs playing in this game. Maybe 22 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: we'll see Mike. Mike McCarthy loves to say like he's like, 23 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: today's the big day. Today's the day we'll find out 24 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 1: and then like tomorrow, we'll be like, all right, yesterday 25 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: it was the big day. So how do they look? 26 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: And he'll be like, oh, we'll make those determinations over 27 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: the weekend. Just classic football coach stuff. But he did. 28 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: I mean, he said he was very impressed by the 29 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: work that Donovan Wilson and Anthony Brown were able to do. Specifically, 30 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: Cheeto practice yesterday as well. So I mean, I like 31 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: the odds that two of those guys, if not all 32 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: three of them play on Sunday, which I mean, you 33 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: can roll your eyes if you want to. I know 34 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: the team is four and nine, but we really haven't 35 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: seen this team play with a full complement of starters 36 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: in the secondary all year. You know, Cheeto missed a 37 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: lot of time, AB has been in and out of 38 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: the lineup. Oh, I'm an idiot. Trevier Diggs also practiced 39 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: and look good. I'm sorry. Yeah, these guys have not 40 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: all been available at the same time throughout the season. 41 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 1: So it's kind of exciting to think that they might 42 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: all be able to play together for at least, you know, 43 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: a couple of games here. So I'm hopeful that they 44 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: can all get on the field on Sunday. I ask 45 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: you that question, Nick, if let's assume all four of 46 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: them are back, how much of a difference do you 47 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: think that makes for this defense? Oh, we just mentioned 48 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: like it. It really doesn't matter a ton because you 49 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: don't think that they're all that great. I don't know, well, 50 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: well both, I mean, because you know, they went into 51 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: this thinking the wee can get a lot of pass rush, 52 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,959 Speaker 1: our defensive backs are going to be solid at best. 53 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 1: These four guys Diggs and Cheeto and Jordan Lewis and 54 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,839 Speaker 1: Anthony Brown. So no one was thinking that these four 55 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: were gonna be like Hall of Famers anyway, or Pro 56 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: Bowlers even at that. So then when they are all 57 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 1: gonna go down, I mean, they Dave said they've not 58 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,679 Speaker 1: played one game together. Those four haven't not once. And 59 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 1: then I still don't know if they'll play this one, 60 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: you know, because I think they'll look at it and go, well, 61 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: if we're getting him back, we don't have to rush 62 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: this guy or vice versa. So but yeah, I think 63 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: it makes a difference because they were hoping to be 64 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 1: average and they never they didn't get that. So what 65 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: do you think him? I think. You know what's funny 66 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: is lately I've been getting a lot of fans on 67 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: Twitter getting mad at me, some that are happy and 68 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: some that are mad just because apparently I'm not a 69 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: diehard Cowboys fan and I'm over here talking about what 70 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: I actually see with my eyes. But good news is 71 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: for those fans, I mean, this is something good because 72 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: if the Cowboys do somehow find themselves into the playoffs, 73 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: then you're gonna have some of these guys is in 74 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: the secondary to be available by then. So if you're 75 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: looking for something positive and a lot of hope, that 76 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: that's something good. But if it's me personally, I just don't. 77 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: I'm with that doesn't really matter at this point. I'm 78 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: just wanting to see some of these younger guys being 79 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 1: able to play and take advantage of that time. Guys 80 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: like Cheeto, I mean, unfortunately for him, his time is 81 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: running out. You know, these free agent guys are are 82 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: really really needing to put something out there on film. 83 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: Their time is running out, So I hope that that 84 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: guys like him are able to get back on the 85 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: field and put up some stuff that could, hopefully in 86 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: two games, help them to put something good out there 87 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: to find the team or even if the Cowboys are 88 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: wanting to send them back, who knows. You know, it's 89 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 1: interesting in a season of mainly disappointments, particularly on the 90 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball, you got two guys right 91 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 1: there that have been a part of the bright spots 92 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: at least the few bright spots that you've seen in 93 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: Donovan Wilson and treyvond Dick. So I'm excited to see 94 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: them back on the field because I want to see 95 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: if they can keep developing and if maybe, just maybe 96 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: you may have found two members of an ongoing secondary 97 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: that maybe a better in the future, because again, some 98 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: of the best plays that have happened this year for 99 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: this defense have come from those two players, and they're young, 100 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: and so you haven't even be able to say that 101 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: in quite a while when you talk about the secondary 102 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: for the Cowboys, So that I think is very positive. 103 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: Dave talked to us about Zeke Elliott. What's the deal 104 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: on him. I heard he still did not I don't 105 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: think he practiced here or he's limited. Yeah, he was limited, 106 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: and McCarthy said he's gonna continue to be limited. Just 107 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: talking to I mean it just again, Mike McCarthy hates 108 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 1: giving out any type of details one way or the other, 109 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: but just talking to Zeke's it kind of sounds like 110 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: the same thing as last week, which is to say 111 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: they're gonna limit him and he's you know, I would 112 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 1: guess he's gonna be questionable tomorrow when the final report 113 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: comes out. But I get the feeling that he's gonna 114 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: play just from talking to him. You know, Zeke was 115 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 1: the one yesterday he was like, he was like, I'm 116 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: a competitor. I don't I don't care about any of 117 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 1: that other stuff. I want to go. I want to 118 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 1: get on the field and try to win every game 119 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: that I'm involved in. So yeah, I mean, they're gonna 120 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: be very It sounds like they'd be very cautious with 121 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 1: his workloaded practice, but I think he'll play. Okay, Nick, 122 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: I'll ask you this question. We asked those these guys 123 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: the question yesterday, but i'd love to get your opinion 124 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 1: on and Tyler Biotis returned last week, he only played 125 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 1: six snaps. They were all on special teams. Do you 126 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: think that at some point you could expect that he's 127 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: going to be moving back into the starting role as 128 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: the center or and going beyond that question, do you 129 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: think he should be the guy that they should insert 130 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: into the starting lineup in place of Joe Luney? I 131 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: do I think that they should. I mean, you know, 132 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: I think you play the best players right now. You know, 133 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: with any kind of chance you have to maybe win 134 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: and get to the playoffs. But if but if it's 135 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: if it's close, if it's a tiebreaker, and I don't 136 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: really know if there's a difference between Joe Looney and 137 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: Tyler Biadas right now, I think Joe's better, but just 138 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 1: because I would think that being in the league for 139 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: that long would make you better. But I think you 140 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,239 Speaker 1: got to see what you have and be honest as well, 141 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: because you know you're gonna get to a point next 142 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: year where you have to decide is he the guy 143 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: we're going to lean on here? And I think he 144 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: needs to get some of these games. So if it's 145 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: close like this one, then I would probably go towards 146 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: the younger guy. All right, we're gonna take a quick 147 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: early break. When we come back, we're going to be 148 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: joined by Bucky Brooks of NFL Network. 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That's a long time. 195 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:02,079 Speaker 1: One really really good programs out there that didn't go fifteen. 196 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Fifteen years a long time. All Right, 197 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 1: we're gonna jump in. We got Bucky Brooks of NFL 198 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 1: Network joining us now presented by Chevron with techron Bucky. 199 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: We start, well, we start every time. Let's talk about 200 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: those strengths and weaknesses of the San Francisco defense. Look, 201 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: this team is talented and even though they're without like 202 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: they're big guns, Nick Bosa, de Ford, a number of 203 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: other injuries have prevented some of their top guys from playing, 204 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: they're talented and they play hard. And so when I 205 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: think about Eric Armstead and Fred Warner and the intelligence 206 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: of Richard Sherman and the re emergence of Justin Barette. Like, 207 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: this is a very very talented team. And what they 208 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: do is I mean, they play counter to the way 209 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: that the Cowboys play. They're pretty simple and how they 210 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 1: attack it. They believe that their guys are better than 211 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: your guys, and they believe over time that they're able 212 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: to create pressure on you by being in the right 213 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:55,959 Speaker 1: spot down after down after down and det you a 214 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 1: crack on theer the premise of having to play discipline football. 215 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: I may be exaggerating a little bit based on this 216 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: past game because they actually ended up scoring two touchdowns, 217 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: but is this a game where the Cowboys can actually 218 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:15,439 Speaker 1: score more than one touchdown? I mean, it's talking. I 219 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: mean it's a really good scheme. Robert Sala has done 220 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: a really good job of changing and adjusting on the fly. 221 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: He used to be a guy who wanted to sit 222 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: and cover three and maybe a little man free, but 223 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: now they've evolved. They use a little quarters coverage, which 224 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: is what Dallas plays. They really do a good job 225 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: but basically throwing a blanket around your passing game and 226 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: forcing you to nickeling down the ball down the field, 227 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: and they just believe the odds are in their favor 228 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: that you will mess it up. And if they're able 229 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: to generate any pressure at the line of scrimmage, but 230 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: then the ball comes out high and tips and overthrows 231 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: lead to interceptions, and so they just do a really 232 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: good job for the Cowboys. It's about finding a way 233 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: to protect upfront and selectively taking your shots. Richard Sherman 234 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: and Veraett both are not the players that he once 235 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 1: were in their primes. They're good, but they still can 236 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: be susceptible to getting guy. So can you selectively find 237 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,839 Speaker 1: your opportunities to push the ball down the field while 238 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: also operating in a fishing passing game and finding a 239 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: way to run the ball enough with Zeke to control 240 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: the temple of the game. Bucky, one of your points 241 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: this week on your five points a five bucks article 242 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: is you think Tony Pollard is ready for the prime time. 243 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: He said he's ready to take over. So you're looking 244 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: at forty Niners defense. How tough is it when you 245 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: have a guy like Pollard and Zeke, when you really 246 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: have two true backs that you have the game plan 247 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: for I mean, what kind of challenges is that for defense? 248 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: You know, depending on how they're deployed, you can create 249 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: a bunch of different challenges. The one thing that we 250 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 1: haven't seen, and they did it a little bit, maybe 251 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: a few weeks ago, putting Tony Pollo and Zeke on 252 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: the field at the same time. The personnel alignment that 253 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 1: I'm waiting to see would be twenty personnel, two backs, 254 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: Tony Pollo, Zeke Elliott, three wide receivers Ceedee Lamb Gallop 255 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: and Amari Cooper and being able to challenge the defense 256 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: in a different number of ways. If they continue to 257 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: do what they've been doing, then I think it's enough. 258 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: Give him Polits enough snaps where he can impact the 259 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: game without taking away from what Zeke needs to do. So, 260 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: if Zeke is going to get twenty touches, Paula needs 261 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: to get somewhere six to eight, eight to ten where 262 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:16,439 Speaker 1: he can impact the game. But it has to be 263 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: a priority and it has to be scripted into the 264 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:23,199 Speaker 1: car sheet. I know that Fred Warner is a very 265 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: good player, but can you give me a little bit 266 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 1: more detail, maybe just provide me with a snapshot of 267 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:31,559 Speaker 1: what he does for them and why he's so valuable, Well, 268 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:33,719 Speaker 1: he does everything that you want to see Jayleen Smith do. 269 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: He's instinctive, he reacts, he can fly sideline the sideline, 270 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: he can make plays, he's tough. He has a natural 271 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: leadership ability to him that comes out in his play, 272 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: and I think when you look at him, he has 273 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: emerged as one of the top linebackers. And as he 274 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,079 Speaker 1: goes that defense goals, he controls the middle and they 275 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: just do a good job of just keeping it very 276 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: simple for those guys, so they play without clutter and 277 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 1: so you can see their talent on the splat. Hey, Bucky, 278 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 1: you look at the numbers for this defense, it bears 279 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,959 Speaker 1: out exactly what you're saying. They're very good. I think 280 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: they're fifth overall defense, fifth and overall defense, but currently 281 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: right now they're fifth and pass defense, they're eighth and 282 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: rush defense, both in top ten. That being considered based 283 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: on what Dallas does well, and you can decide for 284 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: yourself what you think Dallas does well. How are they 285 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: are Is Dallas more likely to be successful running the 286 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: ball or passing the ball against a good defense that 287 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: does both pretty well. I think it's a mix. I 288 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: think this is a game, and I am the biggest 289 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: proponent of a You have to run the ball, but 290 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: I think what you have to do with any Dalton 291 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: you have to throw unfavorable down so first and ten 292 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: quick rhythm passes. We've seen Dalton shows catch a ton 293 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: of passes over the middle of the field eight to 294 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: ten yards. You have to put your offensive position where 295 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: you can stay ahead of the chain, so second and short, 296 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: third and short situation. You want to stay out of 297 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: those long yarder situations. So it may be a situation 298 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: where you throw early so you can eventually run late. 299 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: But a lot of it depends on Anti Dall's ability 300 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: to take care of the ball. But yeah, at this 301 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: point of the season and with everything how this year 302 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: has gone for the Cowboys, what would you say to 303 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: a Cowboys fan to look for as far as excitement, 304 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: What's something that Cowboys fans should be excited about in 305 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: this game, whether it's on offense or in defense. Well, 306 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: the excitement in this game, I would say it comes 307 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: from the winner go home nature of the game. If 308 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: the Cowboys are going to do it, you should see 309 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: them play with more energy than we've seen them. As 310 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: you get closer to the postseason, the urgency and the 311 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: speed of the game picks up. So in my mind, 312 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: if I'm a Cowboys fan and I'm looking for this game, 313 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: if the Cowboys will have any chance of winning, the 314 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: physicality should mirror what we saw in the Pittsburgh game. 315 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: It should be the most physical game that we've seen. 316 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: Because the urgency is if we don't win, the players 317 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: out of questions. So I think that has to be 318 00:15:57,920 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: a part of it. I think you need to see 319 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: the coach is really working together to make sure that 320 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: all of the game plans complement one another, and that 321 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: they're doing everything in this game just to win the game. 322 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: So it's about winning the game, not compiling staffs and 323 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: whatever is necessary you're willing to do. And so I 324 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: would expect you would see not a level of desperation, 325 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: but a level of urgency from everybody that's involved in 326 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: this game. Buck, you just said that Cheltz has caught 327 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: the ball over the middle a lot. Did they Did 328 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: the Cowboys lose anything this year without Jarwin? I mean 329 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: fifty one catches, five hundred yards, three touchdowns. Is that 330 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: what you thought Jarwin would be or do you think 331 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: that they lost something because they didn't have two of 332 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: those guys. No, I mean, I think he gave them 333 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: a production that you would think. I think when you 334 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: evaluate the tight end position in relation to the wide receivers, 335 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: the pecking orders should still be the three wide receivers 336 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: before you get two whoever's playing tight end, And so 337 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: I think for Sheltz to have fifty one receptions, I 338 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: think that is a very very solid job. I think 339 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: the interesting thing going for it will be how do 340 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 1: they elect to use both tight ends twenty twenty one 341 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 1: and beyond dou they utilize more twelve personnel, two tight 342 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: end sets and maybe one of the wide receivers. I 343 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: would say maybe Michael Gallant finds is his way on 344 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: the silent like what is what does the plan of action? Do? 345 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 1: They have more versatility going for it. But I think 346 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 1: Dalton Sheels has certainly been a nice surprise for the Cowboys. Bucky. 347 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm gonna step out on a limb and 348 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: guess that Robert solid is gonna feel head coaching opening 349 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 1: this offseason. That seems like a decent bet. And it's funny, 350 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: you know you mentioned that he kind of favors a 351 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 1: cover three scheme. So like, he completely reminds me of 352 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: Chris Richard. Then, like he's like this fiery players coach 353 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: guy seems like he you know, if he prefers that scheme, 354 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 1: it's an even bigger similarity. You know, if he's the 355 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: head coach of a team, I mean, what can I 356 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: expect from that? I you know, it seems like a 357 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: good bet the Cowboys will have to deal with him 358 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: at some point. What would you imagine his ideal blue 359 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: print for a defense and maybe a whole team would 360 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: be if he gets one of those jobs, Well, I 361 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: think the big thing and much like Chris had to 362 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: evolve down in Dallas, I think Robert this year has 363 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: shown more adaptability and flexibility. I think before it was 364 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: easy to say, oh, man, this guy he has everything 365 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: that is disposed to. Look at all those first rounders 366 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:20,959 Speaker 1: on the D line, Nick Boles and anybody, anybody can 367 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: close their eyes and generate a pass for us and 368 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: play coverage behind it. This year he has shown the 369 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: ability to be adaptable because they didn't have those guys 370 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 1: and people were eating up their scheme early in the 371 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: year to cover three, and so they went to a 372 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 1: more of a split safety defense and so I think 373 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: as a head coach there right there says he has 374 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: enough adaptability and flexibility to be able to change as necessary. 375 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: The big thing when you get a defensive coordinated to 376 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 1: be the head coach who is going to be the 377 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: offensive play caller? And Canny have an offensive play caller 378 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 1: that has what I say sticking power, meaning he can 379 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: last for two or three years without being plucked by 380 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 1: an owner who views him as the next head coach 381 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 1: in candidate, that would be the thing. I think The 382 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 1: key is who does he higher as an offensive coordinator 383 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: because the defense will fall on his shoulders? What is 384 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 1: his vision for how they play offense? But I do 385 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: think they'll they'll be fast, they'll be relentless, and I 386 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:14,719 Speaker 1: think there will be a little simple nature to what 387 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: they do to a lot of players to play fast. 388 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 1: We're joined by Bucky Brooks of NFL Network presented by 389 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: Chevron with techron one more question for you, Bucky, Buffalo. 390 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: A couple weeks ago, we're able to put up three 391 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty eight pass yards against the San Francisco defense. 392 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: What did they do that led to their success? And 393 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: does Dallas have any of those components that they could 394 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: then try to mirror some of those things to have 395 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 1: a similar success. I mean Brian day Ball was in 396 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: his bag that he attacked them and retacked them relentlessly. 397 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: He did some things that he could attack their scheme. 398 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 1: They went three by one and really caught them in 399 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: some of their single high coverages, and they put the 400 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 1: pressure on the safety in the middle of the field 401 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: to make choices, and Josh Allen with his arm was 402 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: able to really throw it over the top. And I'll say, 403 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: I mean Stefon Diggs is outstanding, but the wide receivers 404 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:04,880 Speaker 1: in Dallas, I would say, are still better. I think 405 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: the big thing comes down to the trigger man and 406 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: can you protect. They were able to script some things. 407 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: They really exploited the coverage and as I say, like 408 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,880 Speaker 1: with Verrett and Sherman, they're good, but they're still both 409 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 1: susceptible to getting guys. So if the past president Rush 410 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 1: doesn't get home, you can get those guys. It's just 411 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: a matter of can you protect long enough to do 412 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 1: double moves and long routes that you can spend Richard, 413 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: Sherman and Verrett around where you can expose some of 414 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: the diminishing athleticism that they have. All right, so tell 415 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: us what's gonna happen, Who's gonna win this game? And 416 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: what's your final on this one? Man, This is a 417 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: tough one because anytime anytime you can run the ball, 418 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: this is tough. And so cal Shanahan is going to 419 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: run the ball and he's going to attack them, and 420 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: all the things that the Cowboys are put on tape 421 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 1: in recent weeks Baltimore and watch, they will see those 422 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: things at them. I don't have a lot of confidence 423 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: that they're going to be able to solve those issues. 424 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: So I think it comes down to turnovers, and so 425 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: the Cowboys have to create two or more turnovers. Nick 426 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: mullas has been very generous. It is the holiday season, 427 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: so maybe he'll give some away, but they have to 428 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: find a way to make it Nick Mullin's game. They 429 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:14,679 Speaker 1: have to take the running game away, and that's a 430 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 1: huge challenge for Mike Nolan his defense. All Right, Buck, 431 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: we appreciate you joining us. Man. We'll have you back 432 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 1: next week and it'll be Christmas week, so we'll talk 433 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 1: a little bit about those Philadelphia Eagles that'll be coming 434 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 1: coming around to been that that week. So let's go 435 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: and take our final break. When we come back from 436 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 1: this break, we'll talk a little bit more about this 437 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys offense when we come right back. This is 438 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:36,679 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot com Radio. 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All right, 477 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,959 Speaker 1: we're gonna get this final segment rolling. We're alive from 478 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: the SWBC Mortgage studios at the Star, and I want 479 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: to have a couple of questions for you guys about 480 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: the Cowboys offense. Let's see where we go with these. 481 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 1: Let's start first with the offensive line. We talked a 482 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,360 Speaker 1: little bit about them earlier this week, but I thought 483 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 1: it was worth bringing this back up. They allowed two 484 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 1: sacks this past game against the Cincinnati team that really 485 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: wasn't very good on defense. They also allowed one hundred 486 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: also only ran for one hundred and one yards. Were 487 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: you disappointed, because I got the impression after watching them 488 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 1: for a couple of games that this offensive line was 489 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,199 Speaker 1: seemingly getting better. Were you at all disappointed by their 490 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: effort against Cincinnati or about their production against Cincinnati or 491 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 1: do you think it's still just kind of rides with 492 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: what you thought about this offensive line. Let's start first 493 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: with you, Nick. I think that the offensive line is 494 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 1: I've said this the other day. I think they're an 495 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 1: athletic group they're younger. I think when the whole fields 496 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 1: in front of them, they're gonna be pretty decent, especially 497 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 1: against the average you know, to blow average defense like that. 498 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: But where they struggle, it's just stay. They're not very 499 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: strong and when you get down in the red zone 500 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: and you see that, then you think, oh, the offensive 501 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: line didn't play as well. So but that's my only 502 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 1: really issue is with them is that I think that 503 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: they're just not very good at pushing some people back. 504 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: They didn't change anything about what you thought of them 505 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: what they did in this last game. Like if you're 506 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: were you a guy that was thinking their arrow was 507 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: pointing up a little bit and it leveled off or 508 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: were you just thinking they were playing okay before that? Well, 509 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: this is this is in my if I had to, 510 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: you know, if I could pick the offensive line for 511 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: next year, I mean, this would be my backups. Yeah, 512 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 1: I think right. So you think some of these guys 513 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: have earned a place on this team. Maybe obviously not starters, 514 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,120 Speaker 1: but they've earned a place on this team based upon 515 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 1: how they've played. I mean, I think I think this 516 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: is your second team offensive line next year, or maybe 517 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what's gonna happ with Connor Williams. 518 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: That one's kind of tricky. But other than that, I mean, 519 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 1: these guys could be backups, so you're gonna feel better 520 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 1: about Oh well, if if Terry steals your fourth tackle, 521 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 1: you're probably gonna feel better about it than obviously if 522 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: he starts. All right, Amber, The only problem with that 523 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: is that you really really don't know and cannot predict what, 524 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: like all call in situation is going to be Terren 525 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: Smith Sack Martin. I mean, I think we went into 526 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: this year thinking that we were pretty good at the 527 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: old line and pretty set and comfortable with the backups 528 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 1: and the depth at the position just in the old 529 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 1: line in general, and then look what happened. So that's 530 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: my problem with that whole thinking is there's no certainty 531 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: with these guys, and as much as they're great and everything, 532 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: the starter I'm talking about, you cannot predict if they're 533 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: going to be healthy or not. And when it comes 534 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: down to that and when you're looking to win games, 535 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: when you're looking to get a touchdown, passing the red zone, 536 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 1: helping the running game, Ezekiel Elliott, we see how much 537 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 1: that has affected Ezekiel Elliot, which is a big, big 538 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 1: element in this offense. So I think that that, yeah, 539 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 1: they're still gonna need help there as far as some 540 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 1: backup guys that can actually go in there with some power. 541 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: I do think that these guys they've I mean, they've 542 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 1: been thrown out there and it's not their fault. It's 543 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 1: just kind of what happened, and they're gonna grow. But 544 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 1: it takes time to grow and get that strength. We've 545 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: seen that with Connor Williams. Connor Williams is still kind 546 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 1: of battle in there, so you just never know how 547 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: how long it's gonna take for one of these linements 548 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 1: to progress into what you're looking for. So as of 549 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 1: right now, to answer your question, I do think that 550 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: they're just what I expected at this point. You know, 551 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: it's one of those games that you know, I'm not 552 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 1: expecting them to do much. But at the same time, 553 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: I didn't come out of the game thinking, man, this 554 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: old line that was the problem, That's why the Cowboys 555 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 1: play it this way or that way. So at this 556 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: point it's just kind of what I expect personally, all right, Dave, 557 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 1: I was confused at the way you frame the question. 558 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,679 Speaker 1: To be honest, I mean I thought they played great, 559 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: like and again, I mean again like for what they are. Yeah, 560 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: like Nick said, like, there's not a guy other than 561 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: Connor Williams. There's not a guy on this line that 562 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,120 Speaker 1: you would prefer to be starting for you next year. 563 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: So I keep that in the back of my mind 564 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: and everything that they do. They let Andy, you know, 565 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: like they kept him upright for the most part. He 566 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: was able to spread the ball around the offense scored 567 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: twenty three points. No, like, they're not explosive or awesome, 568 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,199 Speaker 1: but they're not. I mean, how could you expect him 569 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: to be. They're all backups. I mean other than like 570 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: Joe Looney is the one I'm not sure of because 571 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: you know, he needs a new contract and you know, 572 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: maybe maybe he gets it, maybe he doesn't. I don't know. Um, 573 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: but I tend to expect all of these guys to 574 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: be in camp next year, and I mean that's a 575 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: good sign, and I want them to be, Like they've 576 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: all earned an opportunity to make the fifty three next year. 577 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: I think even even Terrence Steele, because yeah, I'm totally 578 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 1: fine with him being my fourth offensive tackle. Not I 579 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: don't want him to start, But you need a you 580 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: know you need. So all these guys I hope are 581 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: in camp next year, and I hope that Tyrn Smith 582 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: and Lyle Collins are healthy. And that's you know, those 583 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: are topics for the offseason. But I feel good about 584 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: where they are for who they are. All right, let's 585 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: move on. Let's talk about Zeke Elliott. And I was 586 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: actually I saw this on the website. There was a 587 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,479 Speaker 1: mail back question I thought was pretty interesting. They were 588 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: talking about some of the reasons why Zeke's production may 589 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: have gone down. And so what I did was, I 590 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: have four things here that I've listed as reasons why 591 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: Zeke's production might have gone down, and I want each 592 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: of you guys to rank them from the thing that 593 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: you think is the biggest reason all the way down 594 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 1: to the thing that's the least reason. Here are the things. 595 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 1: You've got the offensive line injuries, You've got opponents focusing 596 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: on stopping the run with Dak being out, so basically 597 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: Dak being out. Third, you've got they've been playing from 598 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: behind quite a bit this year. And then fourth, simply 599 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: that Zeke's declined as a runner. Let's start first with you, 600 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 1: Amber oh Man. I have a short term memory. I 601 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: should have written those down. I think I think that 602 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: would be my number one because I've seen the power 603 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: that Zeke has. I think he has the if regardless 604 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: of Dak not being there, which is a huge element 605 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: in the offense as well. But I still think that 606 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 1: Zeke has that power. We just haven't been able to 607 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: see it because maybe the old line hasn't been able 608 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: to help him. So that would be my number one, 609 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: and then you have the opponents focusing on stopping it, 610 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: with Dak being number two would be that one for okay, 611 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 1: and then playing from behind and then Zeke not just 612 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 1: being as good. Um, I think Zeke not being as 613 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: good would be number three for me, and then playing 614 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: from behind would be number four. I think that him 615 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,479 Speaker 1: losing the ball so many times, I mean, that's on him. 616 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: You cannot blame that on any one else but him. 617 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: That's his hands and his own doing basically, but also 618 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: maybe the way that Kellen Moore has been utilizing him, 619 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: maybe not giving him enough opportunities. But maybe that's just 620 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 1: an effect of him losing the ball so many times 621 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 1: and then maybe losing somewhat some confidence in him. But 622 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:27,239 Speaker 1: that would be my ranking, all right. Dave Oh I mean, 623 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: he doesn't have his quarterback, and I think that's that's 624 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: the big part of it. And I mean, I know 625 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: the offensive line has been banged up, but I think 626 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: anybody who follows the Cowboys closely is probably aware that, 627 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 1: you know, the narrative of this Great Wall of Dallas 628 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: has been more myth than reality over the last you know, 629 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: two or three years. You know, they haven't been this 630 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: elite unit that just bulldozes everybody since probably twenty sixteen. 631 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: So yeah, it would help to have those guys, but 632 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: this is this is a quarterback league, and if you like, 633 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 1: if the defense isn't afraid of your quarterback, they're going 634 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: to key on the next best weapon, which is Zeke. 635 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: I have his stats right in front of me. With 636 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 1: Dak Prescott. I know the team wasn't good, or you know, 637 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: they were eight and eight mediocre, but with Dak Prescott 638 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: in the lineup last year, Zeke ran for thirteen hundred 639 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: yards and twelve touchdowns. He averaged four and a half 640 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: yards per carry, and he had what he had like 641 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: seven or eight hundred yard games. He's got one this year, 642 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: and you know, some of that is a byproduct of 643 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 1: they were out of games early when Dak was still 644 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: in the lineup. But I'm confident that wouldn't have held up, 645 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: like those turnover problems wouldn't have held up throughout the 646 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 1: whole season. They would have had a chance to lean 647 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: on some teams the way that they did against Cincinnati 648 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: in Minnesota. And I just think, I think it's hard 649 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 1: when you don't have a quarterback that scares defenses. So 650 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: I chalk most of it up to not having Dak. Okay, 651 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: so that's your first one. Where do you rank the 652 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: other three? Oh, well, no Dak, no offensive line, Zeke's 653 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 1: and Zeke's decline in that order. And I answered it 654 00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: was me that answered that question on the mail bad. 655 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: They're all three val They're all three valid questions. And 656 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think Zeke is as explosive or 657 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: dynamic as he was earlier in his career. He's got 658 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 1: a lot of tread on his tires. But and I've 659 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 1: said this more times than I can count on this show, 660 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: Like when he's got Dak and a healthier offensive line, 661 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: I think he'll be just fine. Like, I'm not worried 662 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: about him in the long run. He's just fighting through 663 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 1: a crappy season, and it's actually amazing that when you 664 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 1: look at that that you say he's relying on Zeke, 665 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 1: I mean on Dak being here, because that the narrative 666 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 1: has always been since he got here that Dak is 667 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 1: reliant on Zeke. And I think what we're starting to 668 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 1: see now is maybe the flip of that, where maybe 669 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: having Dak is just as important, if not more important 670 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: to Zeke being able to do well, as opposed to 671 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: the flip Nick Well, oh good, sorry, go ahead, because 672 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: I have a point to that, Okay, I was just 673 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: gonna ask in that point. I mean back then where 674 00:33:55,840 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: defenses asked scared of Dak earlier years probably not weren't 675 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: this year. I mean, like, if you think about it, 676 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:08,439 Speaker 1: even this year, they they still were keying on on Zeke. 677 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 1: I mean that's why look at all the yards that 678 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: they racked up against Cleveland against Seattle. I mean they 679 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 1: still wouldn't let I mean, the focus was always on 680 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 1: Zeke even this year, and that's why. Well, but Dak 681 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 1: was able to take advantage of it way more well. 682 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 1: But I don't know if I agree with that, because 683 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 1: there were a lot of those games with those yards 684 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 1: and though all that mass production came when they were 685 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,320 Speaker 1: way behind, in which case defensive were playing back like 686 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,919 Speaker 1: they weren't necessarily at that point in the game, going 687 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:36,839 Speaker 1: up and trying to stop the running games they were 688 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,320 Speaker 1: finella at the end. Yeah, maybe, I mean, I don't know. 689 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: I mean maybe that's the answer. My point is, I 690 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: just don't know that it was. I don't know that team. Now. 691 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 1: I do think teams probably went into games saying there's 692 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 1: probably not been a team the Cowboys if played over 693 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:51,879 Speaker 1: the last four years. It didn't go in the game, 694 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: and first priority was we got to stop the run. 695 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 1: But by the way, that's most NFL games, right, But 696 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: I do think that there there were a lot of 697 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 1: games when they were keying on the pass the time 698 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 1: that Dak got going, and Dak was still going, you 699 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: know often. I mean, the quarterback would be number one 700 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 1: for me, just because any team that plays four quarterbacks 701 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 1: in a season is probably going to have a bad year. 702 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 1: And so that's because we saw the offensive line was 703 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,240 Speaker 1: good in fourteen, terrible and fifteen because they had any quarterback, 704 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 1: and then back to good again in sixteen when they 705 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: had a better quarterback. So I would say a quarterback 706 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 1: offensive line, playing from behind. Those things kind of all 707 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 1: trickled together, and then seeks decline would be the last 708 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,360 Speaker 1: one for me. And that's interesting because none of you 709 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,880 Speaker 1: guys add Zeke decline any higher than third. And I 710 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 1: think there are questions that people are bringing up right now. 711 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 1: So do you guys think those questions are invalid when 712 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 1: you start talking about do you think Zeke is still 713 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 1: the same runner that he was three years ago? I 714 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 1: don't think he's the same runner that he was, But 715 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,359 Speaker 1: I think the difference between where he was three years 716 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,360 Speaker 1: ago and now is not as great as the difference 717 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,320 Speaker 1: of Zack Martin and Connor McGovern and Terrence Steele and 718 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,359 Speaker 1: you know, and Lyle Collins. I think that drop off 719 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 1: is way more, way greater than his own drop off. Dave, 720 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,920 Speaker 1: what do you think? I just want to I mean 721 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: back to the other point, Like, it's not wild to 722 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: think that that's changed. Like Dak Prescott is a much 723 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 1: better quarterback in twenty twenty than he was in twenty seventeen, 724 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 1: Like he has developed as a player, So it's not 725 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 1: like this crazy shift. It's like, oh, the most important 726 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:24,839 Speaker 1: player on your team has gotten a lot better over 727 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,839 Speaker 1: the last three years. I mean it makes sense, and yeah, 728 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,760 Speaker 1: I mean Zeke has Zeke has declined. That's what running 729 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 1: backs do. It's like driving a It's like driving a 730 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 1: car off the lot. Like the minute you take it 731 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,399 Speaker 1: off the lot, it loses value and it doesn't gain 732 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,319 Speaker 1: it back ever, like every carry declines your value by 733 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 1: a little bit. I don't think it's severe. I still 734 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 1: think he's a talented running back. But the proof is 735 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,799 Speaker 1: in the pudding. He's he can't. You know, he ain't 736 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 1: Barry Sanders. He can't do it without some help. He 737 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 1: just I mean he can't or else he would be, 738 00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,279 Speaker 1: in my opinion, and I don't. I mean, I don't 739 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,880 Speaker 1: want that to sound too harsh. And that's what I 740 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,359 Speaker 1: keep saying is for the price, for the price they're 741 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,880 Speaker 1: paying for him, you would like to see that dynamic 742 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,359 Speaker 1: ability that makes him dangerous without a better supporting cast, 743 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:16,239 Speaker 1: but there's no evidence to suggest that that's true. I mean, 744 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 1: I agree with what he said. I think that what 745 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 1: we're seeing this year is just realizing that Zeke maybe 746 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,759 Speaker 1: is a guy that needs the help around him. And 747 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,400 Speaker 1: you talked about Deck. Yes, obviously that's going to be 748 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,839 Speaker 1: completely different weapon than the other quarterbacks that they've had, 749 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 1: and obviously the old line we've seen that and I 750 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,839 Speaker 1: but regardless of that, I still think that Zeke has 751 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: it in him and I think he will be better 752 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 1: next year, but he needs those other guys around him, 753 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:51,239 Speaker 1: and that's maybe what we're really realize in this year. Yeah, 754 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 1: I think if you go back and remember where the 755 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 1: Cowboys were when they made the decision to draft him 756 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 1: as high as they did, he was supposed to be 757 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,080 Speaker 1: the cherry on top of a great offensive line like 758 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,280 Speaker 1: they I don't think if they didn't have that offensive 759 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,480 Speaker 1: line at that time, I don't think they select Zeke 760 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,880 Speaker 1: Elliott with that pick. I think they probably go Jalen 761 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 1: Rams quarterback, right right. I just think that. I just 762 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 1: think that there was a whole different set of circumstances 763 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,719 Speaker 1: that And by the way, those circumstances aren't here this year, right, 764 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 1: And you don't have that offensive line, you don't have 765 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,719 Speaker 1: that quarterback, and so to expect that Zeke is going 766 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 1: to perform in the same way as what you were 767 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,440 Speaker 1: as a same way despite the circumstances being completely flipped, 768 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,759 Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit unfair to Zeke in 769 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,480 Speaker 1: some respects All right, We're gonna take a couple of 770 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,319 Speaker 1: questions here, maybe one or two questions we can get 771 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 1: too from fans. And but what you got, well, I 772 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,239 Speaker 1: have a draft question. Or as far as trades, do 773 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,399 Speaker 1: you guys think I mean, we've talked about the three 774 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,160 Speaker 1: wide receivers and how great they are and all the 775 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,880 Speaker 1: talent there. Do you guys see a possibility where the 776 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 1: Cowboys decide to trade either Michael Gallup or Amari Cooper 777 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:59,640 Speaker 1: for something. I was a lot more. I was a 778 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,920 Speaker 1: lot more opposed to it when the Cowboys still had 779 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 1: something to play for this year. You know, I hated 780 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 1: the idea in October, you know, when you're thinking this 781 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,759 Speaker 1: team might have a chance to accomplish something. I still 782 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 1: don't like it because I would rather have three really 783 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:18,239 Speaker 1: good receivers than not. But you know, Michael Gallup is 784 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,880 Speaker 1: now into it. I mean, he's basically entering a contract year. 785 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,840 Speaker 1: He's got three years left this season. It would depend 786 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,759 Speaker 1: get for him. But if if somebody wanted him in 787 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 1: the off season and they would give me a high 788 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 1: draft pick, I would consider it. I don't, I really 789 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,319 Speaker 1: I don't. I would have I'd be reluctant to move 790 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,120 Speaker 1: Amari Cooper and like he's got his haters, like people 791 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,920 Speaker 1: want to hate on him. He's gonna set career highs 792 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,320 Speaker 1: for catches and yards this year. And as Nick mentioned, 793 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 1: when you start four quarterbacks, that usually means you're not 794 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:50,759 Speaker 1: having a good year and your offense is not going 795 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,000 Speaker 1: to be good. With the exception of the Bend Nucci experiment, 796 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,720 Speaker 1: he's still producing at a pretty good click even without 797 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 1: his preferred quarterback. He's a and like he's dynamic enough, 798 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,560 Speaker 1: like he can have a two hundred yard day where 799 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,600 Speaker 1: he scores two touchdowns, but he's also been a reliable 800 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,800 Speaker 1: possession guy where your quarterback can look to him for 801 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,080 Speaker 1: six seven, eight catches and eighty yards on a reliable basis. 802 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 1: I think he's pretty underrated at this point. I would 803 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,840 Speaker 1: be reluctant to get rid of him. But if somebody 804 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:22,640 Speaker 1: offered me, like a second or a third round pick 805 00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,040 Speaker 1: for Michael Gallop, I might do it. Yeah, if I 806 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:26,960 Speaker 1: got more, if I got better value than what I 807 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,080 Speaker 1: drafted him in, I would think about it. The thing 808 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,520 Speaker 1: about Gallup is that he most When you have three 809 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,880 Speaker 1: really good receivers, that can be a problem because we 810 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 1: know how, we know what kind of players good receivers are, 811 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,160 Speaker 1: and but having three together could be an issue. Just 812 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 1: listening to him the other day, it didn't sound like 813 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,359 Speaker 1: that's going to be a problem with him. And I'll 814 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,279 Speaker 1: say this, that might be the reason why he's never 815 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,719 Speaker 1: really great. And I hate saying it that way, but 816 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,760 Speaker 1: the reason, you know what, I mean, like he probably 817 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,560 Speaker 1: won't rock the boat that he's not getting the ball 818 00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,440 Speaker 1: all the time, because he even said that, like, you know, 819 00:40:58,520 --> 00:40:59,840 Speaker 1: it is what it is. Some games you do some 820 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,640 Speaker 1: game if you don't. But that right there might be 821 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,120 Speaker 1: the one little thing holding him back that makes him 822 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,239 Speaker 1: not like an elite, elite player because he doesn't have 823 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,680 Speaker 1: that drive. I don't know. I don't want to say that. 824 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,040 Speaker 1: It just doesn't seem like he's too worried about it. 825 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,440 Speaker 1: And that's okay. I mean, it's okay that they want 826 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,840 Speaker 1: to be three guys together, you know, and that that 827 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,920 Speaker 1: could be pretty dangerous. So I'm gonna play at Devil's 828 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:22,920 Speaker 1: advocate because I was actually having this. I was actually 829 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:27,880 Speaker 1: thinking about this yesterday. Have you seen in the NFL 830 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,920 Speaker 1: a team do really well, a team get deep in 831 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,800 Speaker 1: the playoffs, a team go to Super Bowl. Maybe a 832 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:38,040 Speaker 1: team win it that had this much talent at wide receiver, 833 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,120 Speaker 1: because with every really talented guy you got at one position, 834 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,719 Speaker 1: that's one less talented guy you may have at another position. Right, 835 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,960 Speaker 1: And it made me start thinking, is this team becoming 836 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,560 Speaker 1: the Atlanta Falcons where they've got really great receivers? They 837 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,840 Speaker 1: got a pretty good trigger man, but their defense not 838 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,920 Speaker 1: very good. And as time goes on, it just starts 839 00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,719 Speaker 1: wearing on other things because you're putting so much into that. 840 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,359 Speaker 1: Do you think that this is the wrong strategy? Maybe 841 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,759 Speaker 1: not seeing anything about the players themselves. I know we 842 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,000 Speaker 1: all want those three players to be here, but strategically, 843 00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,920 Speaker 1: is it the right move to have that much talent 844 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,319 Speaker 1: at wide receiver versus taking at least one of those 845 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,600 Speaker 1: pieces and turning them into another player on another at 846 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,919 Speaker 1: another position where you could really use them. That's that's fair. 847 00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,279 Speaker 1: That's fair because when they had them with Dak in 848 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,640 Speaker 1: the first five games, they were trying to outscore teams 849 00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,840 Speaker 1: and they weren't right, you know, so you can you 850 00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,440 Speaker 1: can make the argument. I mean, and and you know 851 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,120 Speaker 1: maybe that they could use a better cornerback or safety 852 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,800 Speaker 1: or whatever. So yeah, I mean, that's fair. Dave, what 853 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:41,200 Speaker 1: do you think. I mean, I hate to compare dak 854 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,600 Speaker 1: to one of the best two or three quarterbacks to 855 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:47,480 Speaker 1: ever play the sport, but twenty thirteen Broncos were pretty nice. 856 00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,160 Speaker 1: They had three wide receivers that were awesome and an 857 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,399 Speaker 1: awesome tight end. I mean, I think in a game 858 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,200 Speaker 1: with as small as sample size as football for that matter, 859 00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,440 Speaker 1: m the Chiefs that just won the Super Bowl have 860 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:03,440 Speaker 1: a mean. Patrick Mahomes is incredible, but the guys catching 861 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,160 Speaker 1: the ball in Kansas City do not get remotely enough 862 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,720 Speaker 1: credit for how good they are. You know, Tyreek Hill, Kelsey, 863 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,720 Speaker 1: you know, even Sammy Watkins to a degree. The Cowboys 864 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,640 Speaker 1: wanted to pay Sammy Watkins a lot of money not 865 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,600 Speaker 1: that long ago. So I in a sport with this 866 00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,239 Speaker 1: small of a sample size, I don't know that it's 867 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,279 Speaker 1: fair or right to just assume that there's only one 868 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,920 Speaker 1: way to do it. I absolutely think you could win 869 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,520 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl with the best receiver corps in the 870 00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,520 Speaker 1: game putting up big numbers. I mean, you got to 871 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,320 Speaker 1: do something about your defense, you have to, But I 872 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,520 Speaker 1: mean you can do that with the draft. The Cowboys 873 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,440 Speaker 1: could you know, opt to spend some money to do that, 874 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:45,239 Speaker 1: Like that's That troubles me way more than how many 875 00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,080 Speaker 1: resources they commit to wide receiver. Is I just I 876 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,759 Speaker 1: don't know in today's NFL if you can build a 877 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,920 Speaker 1: contender without spending money in free agency, Like, but your 878 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,960 Speaker 1: Cats is probably gonna go down this year though, right, 879 00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:04,240 Speaker 1: I if not completely understand that. I mean I totally 880 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,200 Speaker 1: get that, but I mean, okay, like let's just let's 881 00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,600 Speaker 1: just play this out and you trade Michael or a 882 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:15,080 Speaker 1: second pick that's like somewhere in the sixties. Now, let's 883 00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,920 Speaker 1: think about the defenders that you can probably get in 884 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,799 Speaker 1: that range, and you know, maybe you hit and they 885 00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,960 Speaker 1: blossom into a great player, But the odds that they're 886 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,160 Speaker 1: going to become this incredible defender in the first year 887 00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,520 Speaker 1: or two of their contract, that's not very realistic. I mean, 888 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,160 Speaker 1: think about what you got from Treyvon Diggs this season, 889 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,080 Speaker 1: Like that's probably what you're getting for whatever you get 890 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,239 Speaker 1: from Michael Gallup. So I mean you're not getting You're 891 00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,799 Speaker 1: not getting Ed Reid at pick fifty one to come 892 00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,719 Speaker 1: in and fix all your problems in the secondary. So 893 00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,600 Speaker 1: it's the classic case of what you know Jerry loves 894 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,480 Speaker 1: to say, you know you you got it. The Jello 895 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,200 Speaker 1: in your hand and it's squeezing out one in while 896 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:53,919 Speaker 1: you're trying to fix the other. I mean, like I said, 897 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,320 Speaker 1: I'm not opposed to it, but I don't know that 898 00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,600 Speaker 1: it's going to be this cure. All yeah, and it might. 899 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,279 Speaker 1: There is no fast answer here. I think it's the point, 900 00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,560 Speaker 1: like you you're you got what you got. By the way, 901 00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,000 Speaker 1: Cowboys do have ton of talent like that, if they 902 00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:06,920 Speaker 1: had everybody healthy, you would think they would be a 903 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,839 Speaker 1: team that would be at least a playoff caliber team, 904 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,600 Speaker 1: if not more. Right, But I don't think there's a 905 00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,880 Speaker 1: quick fix to this defense. I think it's going to 906 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,080 Speaker 1: require some parts, and I just don't know if they 907 00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,480 Speaker 1: have enough. With the resources they have right now in 908 00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,600 Speaker 1: the draft and knowing that they're gonna lose a lot 909 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,200 Speaker 1: of guys free agency, and knowing that the cap may 910 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,359 Speaker 1: go down, like all those things combine, I just don't 911 00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,120 Speaker 1: know that there's a good fix right now other than 912 00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,879 Speaker 1: getting more picks to be able to bring in more players. Well. 913 00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,640 Speaker 1: See my argument to that would be, they absolutely need 914 00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,080 Speaker 1: to draft defense. They need to address the defense. They 915 00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,080 Speaker 1: but but that's the long game, you know. That's kind 916 00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,000 Speaker 1: of like that's like a major house renovation and in 917 00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,520 Speaker 1: the meantime, like it's it's still true it didn't work 918 00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,080 Speaker 1: this year because of injuries, but like their offense is 919 00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,520 Speaker 1: going to be their best bet to win games in 920 00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,279 Speaker 1: the short term. Yeah, Fixing the defense is like a 921 00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,600 Speaker 1: two or three year project, and the offense can help 922 00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,320 Speaker 1: you get there while you're working on it. That's the 923 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,719 Speaker 1: way I view it. Although a good draft and some 924 00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,040 Speaker 1: good picks and maybe a good free agent or two 925 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,279 Speaker 1: can get your defense the middle of the road. You 926 00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,239 Speaker 1: get a middle of the road defense with a high 927 00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,920 Speaker 1: powered offense. Now, maybe you're working with something right, Yeah, exactly. 928 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:15,520 Speaker 1: All right, we appreciate you guys. Join us. We'll be 929 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,400 Speaker 1: back tomorrow. We're gonna wrap this thing up. Get you 930 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,799 Speaker 1: guys ready for this final, final game, or not final game, 931 00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,360 Speaker 1: but get you guys finally ready for the game on 932 00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,240 Speaker 1: Sunday or the Cowboys will take on the San Francisco 933 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,879 Speaker 1: forty nine ers. Till then for Nick even, Dave Helmet, Ambergarci. Yeah, 934 00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:31,719 Speaker 1: I am Derek Eilton. This has been The Break live 935 00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:37,000 Speaker 1: on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. 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