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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio. Well,

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Speaker 1: I want to talk more about the TV show, but

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Speaker 1: let's talk about the new work that's coming out in June,

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Speaker 1: The Cryptic Code of the Templars. Tell us about it. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know what, you know that runestone you mentioned it

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Speaker 1: has been an enigma for one hundred and twenty years now,

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Speaker 1: and I think I've finally gotten to the bottom of

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Speaker 1: that well, and I know that some people are saying, oh, sure,

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Speaker 1: there's got to be more. Well, you know, I became

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Speaker 1: a Freemason about four years ago and one of the

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Speaker 1: things that happened to me I was going through a

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Speaker 1: degree in the York right, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: something happened in the degree that was directly connected to

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Speaker 1: the runestone. And I know that sounds crazy, but it's

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Speaker 1: one percent true. And it helped me understand that a

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Speaker 1: large part of the inscription is allegory and parts of

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Speaker 1: it are real historical truth. And that's exactly what our

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Speaker 1: Masonic degrees are a combination of those two things. The

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Speaker 1: hard part is figuring out which is which, and when

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Speaker 1: it comes to the runestone, I think I've I've found

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Speaker 1: that last piece. It's an amazing document that just keeps

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Speaker 1: on given it does now explain what a run is

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Speaker 1: for a scott Okay, A run is a symbol that

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Speaker 1: is for the most part made up of straight lines.

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Speaker 1: And these were first developed in Scandinavia. I don't know

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Speaker 1: exactly where, but somewhere probably in Norway, and we've seen

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Speaker 1: them starting at about the fourth century. Carved in wood,

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Speaker 1: but primarily carved in stone. And the reason it really

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Speaker 1: lends itself to carving in stone is because it's mostly

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Speaker 1: straight lines. And this is the alphabet that the Vikings used,

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Speaker 1: and it was used all through Scaninavia right up until

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Speaker 1: the eighteen hundreds. In some places in Scandinavia. Well, in

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Speaker 1: this particular case, the Kensington runestone discovered by a Minnesota

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Speaker 1: farmer in eighteen ninety eight. He was clearing trees from

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Speaker 1: his field, right, that's correct, and he uprooted this large

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Speaker 1: stone carved with these mysterious ruins and details. A very

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Speaker 1: interesting journey back to thirteen hundreds. That's right. The stone

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Speaker 1: has dated thirteen sixty two and it's mostly carved in ruins.

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Speaker 1: You're correct. However, there are three Latin letters a VM

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Speaker 1: there are numbers, several numbers on the runestone, and there

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Speaker 1: happen to be something called pantactic numbers, which are Arabic

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Speaker 1: in origin, which begs the question are what is a

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Speaker 1: Muslim numbering system doing on supposed a navy and rumstone?

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Speaker 1: Good point? Good point? And you know, if this is

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Speaker 1: the case, they got here way before Christopher Columbus got here.

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Speaker 1: Oh you mean I call him Chris. You know that

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Speaker 1: guy that didn't set foot on the He had millions

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Speaker 1: of people living here. That guy, Yeah, that guy, the guy,

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Speaker 1: the guy we celebrate every once in a while. Right, Well,

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Speaker 1: you know what that's that's slowly changing. And you know,

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Speaker 1: nothing against Columbus, but he was in many ways a

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Speaker 1: political pawn as well. But I think that that is changing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we know that the Vikings were here around

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Speaker 1: the year one thousand, and then, you know, the historical

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Speaker 1: narrative wants us to believe that from one thousand until

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Speaker 1: fourteen ninety two, which is almost five hundred years, that

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Speaker 1: nothing happened, nothing at all. I have a hard time

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Speaker 1: with that one. I had a guest God rust his soul,

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Speaker 1: Glenn Kimball, who used to talk about Egyptian hieroglyphs found

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Speaker 1: near the Grand Canyon. Yeah. Now, if that's true, what

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Speaker 1: does that tell you, Well, it tells you what I

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Speaker 1: already know deep in my heart, is that there have

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Speaker 1: been cultures coming to North America and going to all

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Speaker 1: continents for a long long time. And you know, did

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Speaker 1: the Egyptians make it here? I don't see any reason

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Speaker 1: why not. The copper culture goes back probably five, six,

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Speaker 1: maybe even eight thousand years ago, coming to the up

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Speaker 1: of Michigan and Lake Superior and just picking copper up

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Speaker 1: off the ground, which back in those days was more

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Speaker 1: valuable than gold and silver. So they've been coming here

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Speaker 1: for a long time. Remember when we were in school,

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Speaker 1: they talked to us about a little boat called Kantiki

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Speaker 1: I do with tar hired Al, yep, exactly. And he

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Speaker 1: got here crossing the oceans. I guess, well, if he

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Speaker 1: could do it, you know in modern tis, why couldn't

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Speaker 1: they have done it in the past. And you know,

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Speaker 1: he made an amazing boat, But back in those days,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure they knew how to make those boats even

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Speaker 1: better than he did. So he proved it, and I'm

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Speaker 1: sure it happened many many times. When I was introducing

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Speaker 1: you what is a petrographic service? What is that? Okay? Well,

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Speaker 1: petrography is the science that we perform in our laboratory,

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Speaker 1: and basically it's the microscopic examination of concrete and rock.

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Speaker 1: And basically what I do, George, is I perform autopsies

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Speaker 1: on concrete in rock. So whenever there's a problem of

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Speaker 1: any kind, if it has low strength, it cracks, the

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Speaker 1: top comes off, or fire damage, as was the case

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Speaker 1: at the Pentagon after nine to eleven, it will take samples,

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Speaker 1: send them to us and we'll do our examinations. When

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Speaker 1: you looked at the Pentagon concrete, what did that tell you? Well,

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Speaker 1: that was an amazing case for a lot of reasons.

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Speaker 1: But first and foremost, I got a call from a

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Speaker 1: representative with the military, our government, and they said you've

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Speaker 1: been assigned to the Pentagon, which was really bizarre because

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Speaker 1: most of the time I'm out there trying to hustle

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Speaker 1: work right, and to get assigned to something that was

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Speaker 1: so big and so important was obviously a big deal

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Speaker 1: for us. And I know you remember, like everybody listening

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Speaker 1: remembers what an awful day that was and how frustrating

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Speaker 1: and angry we were, and you know, everybody wanted to

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Speaker 1: do something, and so for us to have an opportunity

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Speaker 1: to actually do something and help was an honor and

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Speaker 1: a privilege. But basically what we did was we looked

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Speaker 1: at all the heat damage caused by the jet fuel

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Speaker 1: fire of the steel reinforced concrete columns and beams, and

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Speaker 1: the original plan was to do a surgical type repair

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Speaker 1: to tell them if this column could stay, this one

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Speaker 1: could be repaired, or it had to be torn out,

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Speaker 1: and it turned into the fire damage was so severe

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Speaker 1: that temperatures were so hot that they decided, you know,

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Speaker 1: based on our results, they just tore it out along

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Speaker 1: the construction joints and started over. There was some controversy

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Speaker 1: during that time period, of course, about the entire episode,

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Speaker 1: but some say that it was not a plane that

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Speaker 1: hit the Pentagon but a missile rat. Did your analysis

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Speaker 1: convince you one way or another what happened? Oh? Yes, absolutely.

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Speaker 1: And for years it's been a while now since I've

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Speaker 1: had calls, but I used to get calls from people

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Speaker 1: that would say they were members of the They would

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Speaker 1: often say members of the Patriot community that we're talking about,

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Speaker 1: you know, different theories about what happened there and I

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Speaker 1: can tell you one hundred percent that it was a

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Speaker 1: seventh fifty seven that hit that plane. There were a

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Speaker 1: lot of people who lost family members, people that lost

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Speaker 1: the crew. I saw, you know what happened there, And

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Speaker 1: there's no question that a plane hit the Pentagon. Now,

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Speaker 1: what happened at the Twin Towers that day, I can't

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Speaker 1: tell you. I wasn't there. I thought what appeared to

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Speaker 1: be a controlled demolition of Building seven was very suspicion too.

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Speaker 1: Can't say what happened there, but I definitely know what

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Speaker 1: happened at the Pentagon. What a time, What a horrible time,

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Speaker 1: And we're still amired in that. Well. It changed the

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Speaker 1: world forever. And you know, I mean, I can remember

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Speaker 1: my father was an airline pilot for Northwest Airlines, and

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Speaker 1: when I was a teenager, I can remember getting on

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Speaker 1: airplanes flying to the West, out to Montana, and hunters

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Speaker 1: would get on with loaded shotguns and put them in

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Speaker 1: the overhead bins. I swear to God that's true. Can

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Speaker 1: you imagine today, Oh my god, you couldn't do it,

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Speaker 1: No way you could do the world has changed, and

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if it's for the better, but I

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Speaker 1: think it's they were necessary changes. How did you go

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Speaker 1: from being a basically a forensic geologist into the things

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Speaker 1: you're covering now? Well, it started with the Roomstone, George.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it was it was that artifact that really,

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Speaker 1: you know, that didn't kick this off. And you know,

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Speaker 1: when I started this work, I never heard of the Roomstone.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know about the controversy. I knew nothing. I

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Speaker 1: thought it was an interesting story. But you know, as

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Speaker 1: you you know, I get involved in some pretty crazy things.

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Speaker 1: And so I did this work and I thought, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, when it was over, I did a tombstone study.

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Speaker 1: I compared the weathering with the roomstone, and I concluded

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Speaker 1: it was hundreds of years old and it was genuine.

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Speaker 1: And I thought to myself, well, they got one good

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Speaker 1: for them. I wrote my report and I thought that'd

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Speaker 1: be the end of it. Well turned out it was

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Speaker 1: you know, had had some pretty serious questions and sharp criticism.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not afraid to answer questions. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: thought to myself, if I made a mistake, I'll fix it.

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Speaker 1: But that's not what it was about. They didn't like

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Speaker 1: the answer. And you know, at first I was confused,

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Speaker 1: and then I got and I got pissed, and that's

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Speaker 1: what drove me to get to the bottom of this thing.

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Speaker 1: And here we are now, eighteen years later. Listen to

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