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Speaker 1: Pushkin word first broke about the band The Favors back

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Speaker 1: in February, when cryptic posts revealed that Billie Eilish's producer

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Speaker 1: and brother Phineas was making new music with singer Ash.

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Speaker 1: Soon after, both artists began performing these songs live, introducing

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Speaker 1: The Favors to audiences even before an official release. Now,

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Speaker 1: the band is putting out their debut album, The Dream.

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Speaker 1: They call it a real chemistry album, the product of

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Speaker 1: free flowing writing and jam sessions with their close friends

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Speaker 1: David Marinelli on drums and Ricky Gourmet on guitar. On

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Speaker 1: today's episode, you'll hear Phineas and Ash perform two standout

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Speaker 1: tracks from The Dream. Times Square, Jesus and the Hudson

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Speaker 1: will also dig into their collaborative process, exploring how their

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Speaker 1: creative partnership shapes not only the music, but even the

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Speaker 1: way they present themselves to the world. This is broken record,

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Speaker 1: real musicians, real conversations. Here's my conversation, Phineas and Ash

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Speaker 1: of The Favors.

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Speaker 2: Hi, I'm Phineas, I'm Ash, and we're the Favors And

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Speaker 2: this is our song Time Squared Jesus.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmmm mm hmmm. It's easy tell someone loud.

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Speaker 4: To fee not.

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Speaker 3: It's fun to tell someone you love that it's real.

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Speaker 5: The house your dady built is underwater.

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Speaker 3: No use China not to be mother's daughter.

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Speaker 5: Everybody knows your my weakness. Your don't p seecret. I'm

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Speaker 5: a friend every time I walk by.

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Speaker 3: Time, squeechess.

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Speaker 5: He tells me to confess before my grad.

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Speaker 3: But I don't want to be see.

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Speaker 4: She's everything had.

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Speaker 5: I have a walk.

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Speaker 6: To be because she's used and I'm no thread of ooh.

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Speaker 3: Still pick up your mother from me? She said I

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Speaker 3: should move on just my father's son.

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Speaker 5: Everybody in asy my weakness.

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Speaker 3: You're in allen see secret.

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Speaker 5: I'm a fo every time I walk by time, squete Jesus.

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Speaker 5: He tells me to confess before month.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to be saved. Looks your neve read

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Speaker 4: Nothing that you said has ever crown.

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Speaker 3: Use me to talk about your saif you come off me,

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Speaker 3: but I know you mean well.

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Speaker 5: Everybody knows any on my weekness. You're all in secly.

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Speaker 5: I'm a felly d.

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Speaker 3: My walk, but I'm squich Jesus. He tells me to

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Speaker 3: confess with forma.

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Speaker 1: You guys just on the spot like re re arranged

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Speaker 1: that fighting for our lives.

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Speaker 7: That was all Finnea's just now. That was very I'm

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Speaker 7: sitting here very impressed by my friend.

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Speaker 1: The fact you said that earlier, how impressed you were

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Speaker 1: when he sat because you weren't sure if he had

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Speaker 1: worked on it, worked on it. He hadn't. He just

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Speaker 1: was kind of he just kind of fell, you know,

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Speaker 1: how incredible is have a friend that talented? And then

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting there and I'm.

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Speaker 8: Listening to you sing Yeah I know the same way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like you must be the same way.

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Speaker 8: Making his whole record was like that.

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Speaker 2: It was like, I don't know, two people carrying the

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Speaker 2: you're you're totally strong, Like you're I only have to

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's really great.

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Speaker 2: I feel like totally it's fine that in life oftentimes

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Speaker 2: like both of us, I think we're like this is

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Speaker 1: Are there instances where you might more typically feel like

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Speaker 2: Or you know, I guess anytime I do something like

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Speaker 8: What should I do? What should I do next? You know?

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Speaker 2: And so I'm grateful to those people for, you know,

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Speaker 1: Do you feel comfortable in that position having to make

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Speaker 2: Truthfully, I feel super self conscious and kind of bad

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Speaker 8: That way anymore.

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Speaker 2: Like the first couple of records I produced, I was like,

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Speaker 2: I'm I felt so demoralized, and then you just get

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Speaker 8: I mean do some more.

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Speaker 2: And eventually like we made this album in a way

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Speaker 8: I was like, oh, I love the way this sounds.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I feel very well matched in a lot of ways.

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Speaker 7: I'll say I think we do, like probably lift each

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Speaker 7: proficient as something like what he just did on piano

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Speaker 7: for times, Greg Jesus, I could not have done.

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Speaker 7: I did the other song, but I am not, you know,

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Speaker 7: I just don't have the same skill set. And I

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Speaker 7: feel like Phineas is that kind of person that's like

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Speaker 7: I've got your back. Like, I don't think it's always

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Speaker 7: just going to be a fifty to fifty thing. I

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Speaker 7: think it's sometimes it's going to be like a sixty

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Speaker 7: other person in the way we need to.

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Speaker 1: And how often is that that balance between the two

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Speaker 1: the writing, and how much do that sometimes just lifestyle?

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Speaker 2: I would say writing the album was like, you know,

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Speaker 8: Was totally fifty to fifty.

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Speaker 2: And then I purposefully made the recording of the record

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Speaker 2: drums and guitar, all in a living room, really in

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Speaker 2: like I've made records before where like maybe if Ash

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Speaker 8: Much later in the day.

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Speaker 2: And we didn't do it that way with like everybody

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Speaker 2: sort of vice versa. Like the kind of creative the

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Speaker 2: Ash and all, you know, like references and images she's

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Speaker 2: come up with which I've loved.

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Speaker 1: So would you hang around earlier in the day as

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Speaker 1: they're tracking the instrumental bit of it?

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Speaker 7: And then absolutely, I mean, and I had my own

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Speaker 7: or Ricky you know who's on guitar, would play a

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Speaker 7: it and it would become and it would like morph

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Speaker 7: maybe we should hire an engineer so that we're kind

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Speaker 7: the weight of the.

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Speaker 1: Thing because the director actor I was.

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Speaker 9: Like, you produce all these amazing albums.

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Speaker 7: And then I felt, I think the truthfully as I

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Speaker 9: We're kind of idiots if you don't produce.

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Speaker 2: There's a nakedness too to making an album. That's like

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Speaker 2: like the two guys I was with I've known for

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Speaker 2: it's the four of us in a room and then

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Speaker 2: the days was a photographer and a murial that Ash

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Speaker 2: just this closeness that like allows you to be really

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Speaker 2: I'm willing to trade, like I'm a less good engineer

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Speaker 2: than if I hired somebody to come in and do this,

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Speaker 2: and I might make a couple of mistakes along the way,

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Speaker 2: but like the vulnerability is a trade that I'm willing

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Speaker 2: to make of Like, yeah, there's just you kind of

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Speaker 2: it feels to be singing that way and to be

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Speaker 8: Of the thing.

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Speaker 2: I mean like, yeah, I feel like this album was

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Speaker 2: like a real chemistry album, Like that was what made

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Speaker 2: it really fun, even like her talking about the like

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Speaker 2: Ricky developing his guitar part, like that process can make

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Speaker 2: you feel self conscious if you're sitting there noodling and

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Speaker 8: Like no, no, no, not that I like, no, I like.

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Speaker 2: so I think that that whole kind of experience, even

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Speaker 2: Let's try another one, you know what I mean, Like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we'll be back with more from Phineas and

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Speaker 8: The rating president that song was really specific. Do you

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Speaker 7: And Phineas kept like rattling off like like when you're

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Speaker 8: Trying to make his way home. It's a great song. Yeah.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, but I sort of was like it's usually the

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Speaker 7: Man was like, I love that. Let's go write a

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Speaker 2: Verse was like the third verse, the book, the books

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Speaker 8: Of the good stuff you wrote.

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Speaker 2: I loved that she says you're too much your father's son.

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Speaker 2: To some degree in your life, especially the older you get,

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Speaker 2: And then now you're off saying whatever you want about yourself.

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Speaker 7: Like who you are is part of because I was

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Speaker 9: I saw you on the street and then you took

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Speaker 8: Oh dude, I saw you.

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Speaker 2: I saw you on the corner of you know, this

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Speaker 2: a very very very fine house. Yeah, but I think

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Speaker 7: I mean, I know where we're sitting here, like talking

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00:23:39,436 --> 00:23:43,116
Speaker 7: about the songs. But I do think it's a annoying

443
00:23:43,316 --> 00:23:50,276
Speaker 7: trait when people over explain yeah, you know, because I

444
00:23:50,316 --> 00:23:53,916
Speaker 7: don't want to know what Chris Martin meant by it

445
00:23:53,956 --> 00:23:57,836
Speaker 7: was all yellow, Like I like what I make up

446
00:23:58,316 --> 00:24:00,916
Speaker 7: in my own because I am a romantic and all

447
00:24:00,916 --> 00:24:01,756
Speaker 7: the things I learned.

448
00:24:01,756 --> 00:24:02,476
Speaker 8: A couple of years ago.

449
00:24:02,916 --> 00:24:04,116
Speaker 2: People had come up to me and they go, what

450
00:24:04,116 --> 00:24:06,116
Speaker 2: did this line in this one song mean? And I'd

451
00:24:06,116 --> 00:24:09,156
Speaker 2: tell him and they'd be like, oh, well, what I

452
00:24:09,156 --> 00:24:10,156
Speaker 2: thought it was was this.

453
00:24:10,316 --> 00:24:13,356
Speaker 8: And I'd be like, well, then that's great, Like let's.

454
00:24:13,156 --> 00:24:16,396
Speaker 2: Just all disillusion well and like they're not interested in

455
00:24:16,436 --> 00:24:18,436
Speaker 2: what I They're not actually what they really want to

456
00:24:18,476 --> 00:24:20,196
Speaker 2: hear is that I thought the exact same thing they did,

457
00:24:20,236 --> 00:24:23,076
Speaker 2: which I inevitably never did, and so like now I

458
00:24:23,156 --> 00:24:24,076
Speaker 2: just go like what does mean to you?

459
00:24:24,156 --> 00:24:25,596
Speaker 8: And they say it, I'm like I love that.

460
00:24:25,756 --> 00:24:29,876
Speaker 1: Like that's great, that's a great move. I just pretend that,

461
00:24:30,436 --> 00:24:32,716
Speaker 1: like that's amazing. I mean, that's like the human conditions.

462
00:24:32,756 --> 00:24:35,236
Speaker 1: Everyone just wants walks around, wanted to be affirmed on

463
00:24:35,236 --> 00:24:39,436
Speaker 1: some level. And of course whatever your own lyrics really true,

464
00:24:39,516 --> 00:24:41,876
Speaker 1: could not live up to what someone else has, like

465
00:24:42,276 --> 00:24:43,396
Speaker 1: they imbued to.

466
00:24:43,396 --> 00:24:44,636
Speaker 8: Them, it's really true.

467
00:24:44,676 --> 00:24:47,276
Speaker 1: You know, three four, five years of listening or even

468
00:24:47,276 --> 00:24:50,356
Speaker 1: a single couple of listens, that was a pretty unique

469
00:24:50,636 --> 00:24:51,796
Speaker 1: version of writing.

470
00:24:52,556 --> 00:24:54,356
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was the only that was the only song

471
00:24:54,396 --> 00:24:56,956
Speaker 7: that we did that on and we were again very

472
00:24:57,036 --> 00:24:59,636
Speaker 7: deep into the album that point. It really felt like

473
00:24:59,636 --> 00:25:00,756
Speaker 7: we had nothing to lose.

474
00:25:00,956 --> 00:25:05,156
Speaker 2: Yeah, the other really like group think songs were like

475
00:25:05,596 --> 00:25:09,916
Speaker 2: There's Home, Sweet Home, David's brother the Dream. Those are

476
00:25:09,916 --> 00:25:13,356
Speaker 2: the other three that were like we're all shooting ideas

477
00:25:13,516 --> 00:25:14,716
Speaker 2: over the table at each other.

478
00:25:14,796 --> 00:25:16,396
Speaker 8: And that was also really fun.

479
00:25:16,436 --> 00:25:19,276
Speaker 1: And what David's brothers a pretty is a cool one too?

480
00:25:19,436 --> 00:25:21,836
Speaker 1: What was the spark for that one?

481
00:25:22,236 --> 00:25:26,396
Speaker 2: Ash was playing that cool piano part with chords. I

482
00:25:26,436 --> 00:25:28,516
Speaker 2: really don't. This is the best part about writing the

483
00:25:28,516 --> 00:25:31,396
Speaker 2: songs with other people, like chords that are not always

484
00:25:31,436 --> 00:25:33,836
Speaker 2: in my back pocket, like not the thing my fingers

485
00:25:33,876 --> 00:25:37,876
Speaker 2: go to, and I love the chords. And then she'd

486
00:25:37,916 --> 00:25:40,316
Speaker 2: been at the keys all week and so she was

487
00:25:40,396 --> 00:25:43,396
Speaker 2: kind of like, man, I've had to sit here and

488
00:25:43,436 --> 00:25:45,196
Speaker 2: play and sing the whole time. So I was like,

489
00:25:45,276 --> 00:25:47,396
Speaker 2: that's okay, I'll play it for you. So she wrote

490
00:25:47,396 --> 00:25:49,036
Speaker 2: the piano part, but then I sat and played it

491
00:25:49,076 --> 00:25:51,476
Speaker 2: so she could kind of like think and sing well.

492
00:25:51,516 --> 00:25:54,836
Speaker 7: And he has like such a way with rhythm. Rhythm

493
00:25:54,876 --> 00:25:57,596
Speaker 7: on piano is a tough it's just not that easy.

494
00:25:57,756 --> 00:26:00,436
Speaker 7: And like I was like, this is this will be

495
00:26:00,476 --> 00:26:04,036
Speaker 7: a better song if we switch, and by switching, I'm

496
00:26:04,076 --> 00:26:05,676
Speaker 7: not going to play an instrument.

497
00:26:05,276 --> 00:26:09,556
Speaker 9: Anymore, and you have one, and yeah.

498
00:26:09,196 --> 00:26:11,316
Speaker 2: But that was really fun. And that was again like

499
00:26:11,516 --> 00:26:14,516
Speaker 2: kind of a high concept of like got a couple

500
00:26:14,556 --> 00:26:17,116
Speaker 2: of lines deep. I remember like hold my breath and

501
00:26:17,156 --> 00:26:21,076
Speaker 2: count to thirty, which is such a long number, saying

502
00:26:21,596 --> 00:26:23,596
Speaker 2: it's sang really good, but you're like thirty holding your

503
00:26:23,596 --> 00:26:25,956
Speaker 2: breath for thirty seconds, so you're gonna feel it. But

504
00:26:25,996 --> 00:26:28,476
Speaker 2: it was really about kind of like spinning out after

505
00:26:28,596 --> 00:26:32,076
Speaker 2: a breakup, and the premise is like you're you're at

506
00:26:32,076 --> 00:26:34,316
Speaker 2: home and your house is a mess, and you're.

507
00:26:34,156 --> 00:26:35,436
Speaker 8: Like this is pathetic, like I.

508
00:26:35,476 --> 00:26:36,916
Speaker 2: Got to go out, and then you go out and

509
00:26:36,956 --> 00:26:38,716
Speaker 2: you run into the person that you've broken up with

510
00:26:38,756 --> 00:26:40,596
Speaker 2: and you're like this is way worse, like this is

511
00:26:40,676 --> 00:26:42,916
Speaker 2: I have to I should have stayed home, And so

512
00:26:42,996 --> 00:26:45,276
Speaker 2: that became the whole thing. And then we had this

513
00:26:45,356 --> 00:26:49,036
Speaker 2: kind of like geographical thing on the record this time

514
00:26:49,076 --> 00:26:51,356
Speaker 2: Squared Jesus and the Hudson and Home Sweet Home is

515
00:26:51,396 --> 00:26:53,036
Speaker 2: a bar in New York, and we had the song

516
00:26:53,436 --> 00:26:56,116
Speaker 2: the Dream, and we we really made this kind of

517
00:26:56,276 --> 00:26:58,676
Speaker 2: LA New York record. So we were listing all these

518
00:26:58,716 --> 00:27:01,796
Speaker 2: bars in LA, like we're going to say. We had

519
00:27:01,796 --> 00:27:07,356
Speaker 2: the line acupuncture, doing therapy and acupuncture change my shirt,

520
00:27:07,436 --> 00:27:10,036
Speaker 2: my clothes, and my number my number. Yeah, and so

521
00:27:10,076 --> 00:27:12,596
Speaker 2: we're like, what's a bar that rhymes with number? And

522
00:27:12,636 --> 00:27:14,556
Speaker 2: we were slant rhyming of the bar called forty one

523
00:27:14,676 --> 00:27:17,476
Speaker 2: hundred that's on the East Side, and Ash's like, forty

524
00:27:17,476 --> 00:27:19,876
Speaker 2: one hundred is a stupid bar name to sing like,

525
00:27:19,916 --> 00:27:21,636
Speaker 2: She's like I live in Nashville, Like that doesn't that

526
00:27:21,796 --> 00:27:22,036
Speaker 2: was the.

527
00:27:22,036 --> 00:27:25,516
Speaker 9: Voice of reason for sure, because these three boys were like.

528
00:27:25,556 --> 00:27:28,796
Speaker 7: Yeah, forty one hundred, that's so good.

529
00:27:28,796 --> 00:27:30,916
Speaker 2: I think it's I think when you have been there,

530
00:27:30,996 --> 00:27:34,196
Speaker 2: you picture like, I think that bar is like CD.

531
00:27:34,716 --> 00:27:37,676
Speaker 2: And so I was like, I was like, oh, that's

532
00:27:37,676 --> 00:27:39,836
Speaker 2: funny to think about that bar. And I She's like

533
00:27:40,196 --> 00:27:42,436
Speaker 2: saying forty one hundred. It's not like the Dresden has

534
00:27:42,476 --> 00:27:45,796
Speaker 2: a cool name. The Sunset Tower is a cool name.

535
00:27:45,996 --> 00:27:48,636
Speaker 2: Fort is just like a number. Yeah, yeah, And so

536
00:27:48,676 --> 00:27:51,396
Speaker 2: we were like, well, what's a bar that and then

537
00:27:51,436 --> 00:27:53,516
Speaker 2: David was like, well, my brother goes to that bar

538
00:27:53,556 --> 00:27:53,956
Speaker 2: all the time.

539
00:27:53,996 --> 00:27:55,796
Speaker 8: We were like, what if we just never say the

540
00:27:55,876 --> 00:27:56,236
Speaker 8: name of the bar.

541
00:27:56,276 --> 00:27:58,356
Speaker 2: It's just like you're at the bar that with David's brother,

542
00:27:58,516 --> 00:27:59,916
Speaker 2: because that was the bar that he went to.

543
00:28:00,596 --> 00:28:02,076
Speaker 8: And then it became this kind of like who the

544
00:28:02,116 --> 00:28:03,196
Speaker 8: fuck is David's brother?

545
00:28:03,356 --> 00:28:05,836
Speaker 2: Like you're dating the girl you used to date is

546
00:28:05,876 --> 00:28:08,116
Speaker 2: now on a date with David's brother, and you're like, God,

547
00:28:08,156 --> 00:28:11,196
Speaker 2: damn it, that's U And I don't know, the whole

548
00:28:11,196 --> 00:28:14,596
Speaker 2: thing became privately funny to us, and then it was like,

549
00:28:14,596 --> 00:28:17,436
Speaker 2: all right, how can we illustrate that this is funny?

550
00:28:17,476 --> 00:28:19,716
Speaker 2: And then there's like those lines in the second verse that's.

551
00:28:19,516 --> 00:28:21,556
Speaker 9: Like Daddy was a tennis star.

552
00:28:21,796 --> 00:28:22,516
Speaker 8: That's in the dream.

553
00:28:23,236 --> 00:28:28,276
Speaker 2: But there's those lines that's like, yeah, there's try to

554
00:28:28,276 --> 00:28:32,636
Speaker 2: be a different person. Shot way to learn your lesson

555
00:28:32,636 --> 00:28:35,116
Speaker 2: of who you are and who you're not? Uh uh,

556
00:28:35,796 --> 00:28:37,716
Speaker 2: what's what's the one with the eighth in my purse?

557
00:28:38,196 --> 00:28:40,636
Speaker 2: And I've never looked better, but I've never felt worse.

558
00:28:41,236 --> 00:28:41,676
Speaker 8: It's a lot.

559
00:28:41,716 --> 00:28:44,116
Speaker 2: It's just kind of about, you know, picking yourself up

560
00:28:44,116 --> 00:28:45,556
Speaker 2: and trying to move on with your life.

561
00:28:45,316 --> 00:28:47,036
Speaker 9: And waking up in a basement.

562
00:28:48,076 --> 00:28:48,796
Speaker 3: Is that the dream?

563
00:28:49,476 --> 00:28:49,676
Speaker 1: You know?

564
00:28:49,916 --> 00:28:52,876
Speaker 7: You know why I keep confusing talking about can we

565
00:28:52,916 --> 00:28:57,756
Speaker 7: switch the topic? I had a very similar experience writing

566
00:28:57,796 --> 00:29:02,436
Speaker 7: both of those songs because I pretty much just watched

567
00:29:02,516 --> 00:29:04,476
Speaker 7: and like cracked.

568
00:29:04,116 --> 00:29:05,356
Speaker 9: Up the entire time.

569
00:29:05,916 --> 00:29:09,396
Speaker 7: Because they the three like Ricky, David and Finny as

570
00:29:09,436 --> 00:29:14,236
Speaker 7: are like they're the Triple Crown, Like they're the three Stooges,

571
00:29:14,436 --> 00:29:17,716
Speaker 7: you know, and they're they do have this camaraderie that

572
00:29:17,796 --> 00:29:22,596
Speaker 7: I they so graciously let me step into and making

573
00:29:22,636 --> 00:29:25,916
Speaker 7: this album. But they definitely had an established sort of

574
00:29:25,956 --> 00:29:30,316
Speaker 7: like very very close best friend and boys, you know,

575
00:29:31,116 --> 00:29:34,516
Speaker 7: and so they were just like riffing and cracking up

576
00:29:34,556 --> 00:29:37,996
Speaker 7: the entire time writing specifically those two songs.

577
00:29:38,036 --> 00:29:39,356
Speaker 9: So I'm kind of thinking of that.

578
00:29:39,556 --> 00:29:41,156
Speaker 1: Did it take a while to be able to step

579
00:29:41,156 --> 00:29:44,316
Speaker 1: into that and feel comfortable? Like just sort of I.

580
00:29:44,316 --> 00:29:48,116
Speaker 7: Don't think I ever got comfortable, not in like a

581
00:29:48,316 --> 00:29:52,356
Speaker 7: guys like let me in, not at all that, but

582
00:29:53,276 --> 00:29:58,316
Speaker 7: more so like I have no interest in my voice

583
00:29:58,356 --> 00:30:03,476
Speaker 7: being heard if it's not like needed. Sure, like if

584
00:30:03,516 --> 00:30:07,156
Speaker 7: I have a great line, I'm not gonna be like, hey, guys,

585
00:30:07,276 --> 00:30:10,796
Speaker 7: i have something to say. But if I'm like observing

586
00:30:10,876 --> 00:30:17,036
Speaker 7: them being so intellectual and funny and you know, I

587
00:30:17,076 --> 00:30:19,636
Speaker 7: have no interest in like, hey, guys, remember my ego

588
00:30:19,676 --> 00:30:20,116
Speaker 7: in the room?

589
00:30:20,396 --> 00:30:23,356
Speaker 2: Well I would argue too that, like there's two roles

590
00:30:23,396 --> 00:30:25,676
Speaker 2: in a room like that, and it's like they're both

591
00:30:25,956 --> 00:30:30,596
Speaker 2: totally equal contributions, which is like concepting and then actual

592
00:30:30,716 --> 00:30:34,796
Speaker 2: like rhyming syllables. So like my memory is that like

593
00:30:35,116 --> 00:30:38,316
Speaker 2: we were all really concepting, you know, even down to

594
00:30:38,436 --> 00:30:40,636
Speaker 2: like the name of the bar thing right, You're like, oh,

595
00:30:40,716 --> 00:30:41,916
Speaker 2: that's not the right name, you know what I mean?

596
00:30:41,956 --> 00:30:45,476
Speaker 2: Like that is as that's an equal contribution to like

597
00:30:46,356 --> 00:30:48,516
Speaker 2: saying the word acupuncture in the song it's like, well,

598
00:30:48,516 --> 00:30:50,276
Speaker 2: what's kind of like one of us being like, yeah,

599
00:30:50,316 --> 00:30:52,596
Speaker 2: well you're taking you're trying to make yourself feel better,

600
00:30:52,636 --> 00:30:55,276
Speaker 2: and you're you know, you're you're shaving your beard or you're.

601
00:30:55,316 --> 00:31:01,516
Speaker 7: You know, yeah too, like I'm raz ricky about about lines.

602
00:31:01,676 --> 00:31:04,796
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think that again, I think that, like yeah,

603
00:31:04,836 --> 00:31:06,956
Speaker 2: that the role is one or the other, like David,

604
00:31:06,996 --> 00:31:10,876
Speaker 2: for like in the Dream, you know, you write parts

605
00:31:10,916 --> 00:31:13,316
Speaker 2: of the song without knowing what you're necessarily writing, and

606
00:31:13,356 --> 00:31:15,076
Speaker 2: so we were writing what ended up being the bridge,

607
00:31:15,076 --> 00:31:18,916
Speaker 2: which is that crazy run on sentence, which is, uh,

608
00:31:19,196 --> 00:31:20,756
Speaker 2: you know, I know that you want I know if

609
00:31:20,756 --> 00:31:22,796
Speaker 2: you wanted to call you, would you live in your car?

610
00:31:22,876 --> 00:31:25,756
Speaker 2: But you say you're in Hollywood, sold your guitar just

611
00:31:25,796 --> 00:31:27,836
Speaker 2: to pay for that video you sent to the studio.

612
00:31:27,916 --> 00:31:28,956
Speaker 8: It's all about who you know.

613
00:31:29,996 --> 00:31:32,396
Speaker 1: Like that, another one like that too, The really pre chorus.

614
00:31:32,236 --> 00:31:34,076
Speaker 2: Is like hard not to feel pathetic, max and out

615
00:31:34,076 --> 00:31:35,876
Speaker 2: your credit card on someone's beverage.

616
00:31:36,036 --> 00:31:37,516
Speaker 8: Yes, but again it's like those.

617
00:31:37,276 --> 00:31:39,236
Speaker 2: Are all kind of like born of the seed of

618
00:31:39,356 --> 00:31:43,996
Speaker 2: like we're like, what's a You're like, what's a fucked

619
00:31:44,036 --> 00:31:45,636
Speaker 2: up thing to do? It's a fucked up thing to

620
00:31:45,676 --> 00:31:48,036
Speaker 2: make a to do an American.

621
00:31:47,756 --> 00:31:50,196
Speaker 8: Idol audition, like like.

622
00:31:50,956 --> 00:31:53,036
Speaker 2: And mail that in and like we're talking about like,

623
00:31:53,516 --> 00:31:55,916
Speaker 2: you know the person that we like, you know, you

624
00:31:55,956 --> 00:31:59,916
Speaker 2: live in LA and everybody has like a distant relative

625
00:32:00,156 --> 00:32:03,316
Speaker 2: or a friend who like came here with the same

626
00:32:03,396 --> 00:32:06,036
Speaker 2: dream you had and like did not succeed and is

627
00:32:06,116 --> 00:32:10,156
Speaker 2: either pretending that they succeeded or they're you know, making

628
00:32:10,196 --> 00:32:12,116
Speaker 2: it work whatever it is. So like again, a lot

629
00:32:12,116 --> 00:32:14,956
Speaker 2: of it's like the concept of like yeah, yeah, somebody

630
00:32:14,996 --> 00:32:16,836
Speaker 2: who lives in their car. Yeah that's good, Okay, well

631
00:32:16,876 --> 00:32:19,716
Speaker 2: they made a music they maybe they just auditioned.

632
00:32:19,236 --> 00:32:20,276
Speaker 8: For American Idol. Whatever.

633
00:32:20,396 --> 00:32:22,196
Speaker 2: You're like, do we say American Idol? Do we say

634
00:32:22,236 --> 00:32:23,756
Speaker 2: like do we make it more vague? We say that

635
00:32:23,916 --> 00:32:27,276
Speaker 2: video and like talk about so I don't know. To me,

636
00:32:27,356 --> 00:32:29,516
Speaker 2: that's all kind of like writer's room behavior.

637
00:32:30,116 --> 00:32:30,636
Speaker 8: Yeah.

638
00:32:30,396 --> 00:32:32,836
Speaker 2: The one I always pointed David at is we had

639
00:32:32,836 --> 00:32:35,156
Speaker 2: that like somebody that you've met at the bar, she

640
00:32:35,236 --> 00:32:38,356
Speaker 2: lives in Venice, And then we had like rhyming that

641
00:32:38,596 --> 00:32:41,196
Speaker 2: like maybe your dad is a dentist, and then David

642
00:32:41,316 --> 00:32:44,156
Speaker 2: was like their dad was a tennis star, and we

643
00:32:44,156 --> 00:32:47,596
Speaker 2: were like we were like, dude, yeah, that was a

644
00:32:47,676 --> 00:32:50,516
Speaker 2: line I never would have thought of, and it rhymed

645
00:32:50,556 --> 00:32:53,676
Speaker 2: even better because you're rhyming bar. But it was also

646
00:32:53,796 --> 00:32:55,796
Speaker 2: just like that's what her dad is. Like the song

647
00:32:55,836 --> 00:32:58,036
Speaker 2: the premise of that song is like you meet a

648
00:32:58,116 --> 00:33:01,876
Speaker 2: NEPO baby like you're you moved to La broke as fuck,

649
00:33:02,316 --> 00:33:03,956
Speaker 2: and you go to the bar and there's a really

650
00:33:03,956 --> 00:33:07,596
Speaker 2: pretty girl who's clearly born a millionaire and you're like,

651
00:33:08,076 --> 00:33:08,796
Speaker 2: let me buy your drink.

652
00:33:08,836 --> 00:33:10,756
Speaker 8: You're like, don't even have the money, and she no money.

653
00:33:10,796 --> 00:33:13,236
Speaker 2: Money is of no concern to this person because her

654
00:33:13,316 --> 00:33:15,876
Speaker 2: dad is you know, Roger Federer or whatever. It is

655
00:33:16,436 --> 00:33:18,476
Speaker 2: like for me, I don't know, it was such a

656
00:33:18,516 --> 00:33:20,996
Speaker 2: better It's the best part of having somebody like David

657
00:33:20,996 --> 00:33:23,036
Speaker 2: there where you're like, oh, I wouldn't have thought of that,

658
00:33:23,076 --> 00:33:24,356
Speaker 2: and that's even better.

659
00:33:24,396 --> 00:33:25,196
Speaker 8: It's way better.

660
00:33:25,516 --> 00:33:28,996
Speaker 1: You mentioned like the ideating part of songwriting into and

661
00:33:29,036 --> 00:33:31,116
Speaker 1: then there's like the separate part, which is like finding

662
00:33:31,156 --> 00:33:34,396
Speaker 1: maybe like the internal rhymes of a of a song.

663
00:33:34,956 --> 00:33:38,236
Speaker 1: Is that something that you both separately? Is that? Is

664
00:33:38,276 --> 00:33:40,476
Speaker 1: that a pretty tried and true process for the both

665
00:33:40,476 --> 00:33:43,876
Speaker 1: of you or for necessarily neither of you All the.

666
00:33:43,836 --> 00:33:49,476
Speaker 7: Time, I think it really changes that I typically I

667
00:33:49,636 --> 00:33:52,116
Speaker 7: start like smack dab in the middle of a song

668
00:33:52,436 --> 00:33:58,076
Speaker 7: and and I'll usually find like a lyric that grabs

669
00:33:58,116 --> 00:34:00,396
Speaker 7: me and then I go from there.

670
00:34:00,916 --> 00:34:02,796
Speaker 1: Do you know it's the middle always or is it

671
00:34:02,876 --> 00:34:04,236
Speaker 1: just turn out to be like the middle?

672
00:34:04,356 --> 00:34:06,596
Speaker 7: No, sometimes the middle turns out to be the beginning.

673
00:34:06,636 --> 00:34:09,356
Speaker 7: But in my head, like there's like a freedom to that.

674
00:34:11,196 --> 00:34:13,796
Speaker 7: There was a song Lake George started that way. I

675
00:34:13,836 --> 00:34:15,716
Speaker 7: was on a walk. It was the last song that

676
00:34:15,796 --> 00:34:19,956
Speaker 7: we wrote on the album, and I was staying with

677
00:34:19,996 --> 00:34:23,276
Speaker 7: Phineas and Claudia and I went on a walk that

678
00:34:23,316 --> 00:34:26,876
Speaker 7: morning because I'm up, like god awful five am well

679
00:34:26,916 --> 00:34:30,916
Speaker 7: before them. And I make the joke like my biggest

680
00:34:30,956 --> 00:34:34,556
Speaker 7: contribution to this band is like all of my best

681
00:34:34,556 --> 00:34:37,996
Speaker 7: ideas come sort of like alone and on a walk

682
00:34:38,036 --> 00:34:41,676
Speaker 7: at you know, six or seven, and I was listening

683
00:34:41,836 --> 00:34:47,956
Speaker 7: to Bookends by Simon and Garfuncle, and you know, the

684
00:34:48,076 --> 00:34:50,756
Speaker 7: Lake George sounds is nothing like anything on that record,

685
00:34:50,796 --> 00:34:53,396
Speaker 7: but it just it sparked a same story album.

686
00:34:53,516 --> 00:34:55,556
Speaker 8: It's like old friend totally.

687
00:34:56,476 --> 00:35:00,436
Speaker 7: Yeah, And I brought in like a verse and a

688
00:35:00,516 --> 00:35:03,556
Speaker 7: chorus to Phineas and we went from there.

689
00:35:03,756 --> 00:35:05,676
Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't know what the point I was making.

690
00:35:05,596 --> 00:35:10,356
Speaker 2: Oh concept, Yeah, I'm going to write not better, but

691
00:35:10,676 --> 00:35:12,756
Speaker 2: way faster. If I have a concept, if I have

692
00:35:12,836 --> 00:35:14,796
Speaker 2: like a if I have a thing to build.

693
00:35:15,116 --> 00:35:15,756
Speaker 8: What do we see it?

694
00:35:15,996 --> 00:35:16,636
Speaker 9: Yeah?

695
00:35:16,396 --> 00:35:18,996
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like the the best example maybe in my life

696
00:35:19,076 --> 00:35:22,196
Speaker 2: if that was like the Barbie Songvillion I wrote like

697
00:35:22,836 --> 00:35:25,876
Speaker 2: I'd seen the movie. I knew what scene they needed

698
00:35:25,876 --> 00:35:27,956
Speaker 2: a song for. Like to me, I had like every

699
00:35:28,076 --> 00:35:31,716
Speaker 2: piece of information to write that, Like I had all

700
00:35:31,756 --> 00:35:33,116
Speaker 2: the legos you know what I mean?

701
00:35:33,156 --> 00:35:34,396
Speaker 1: You just like overnight, didn't you.

702
00:35:34,476 --> 00:35:35,876
Speaker 2: We did it in like an hour and it was

703
00:35:35,916 --> 00:35:39,076
Speaker 2: so fast, but it was because it was so informed.

704
00:35:39,236 --> 00:35:41,876
Speaker 2: Like a lot of making a song is very uninformed.

705
00:35:41,956 --> 00:35:44,916
Speaker 2: You're like, yeah, that's a pretty melody. What are we saying?

706
00:35:44,996 --> 00:35:45,796
Speaker 2: What's the line?

707
00:35:45,836 --> 00:35:47,036
Speaker 8: Who is this? Do you know what I mean? It's

708
00:35:47,116 --> 00:35:48,556
Speaker 8: like a lot of discovery.

709
00:35:48,716 --> 00:35:50,956
Speaker 2: And so if you can get a kind of a

710
00:35:51,116 --> 00:35:54,076
Speaker 2: you know, foundation under your feet to like be like, oh,

711
00:35:54,116 --> 00:35:55,596
Speaker 2: I know where I'm standing, then you can be like

712
00:35:55,636 --> 00:35:57,276
Speaker 2: I can walk that direction and.

713
00:35:57,236 --> 00:35:58,756
Speaker 1: You don't worry that it'll be two on the nose

714
00:35:58,876 --> 00:36:00,116
Speaker 1: if you already, because then you.

715
00:36:00,036 --> 00:36:02,236
Speaker 2: Don't have to because you can still say anything. But

716
00:36:02,276 --> 00:36:04,236
Speaker 2: it's just kind of the It's just the seed of

717
00:36:04,316 --> 00:36:05,836
Speaker 2: like what am I? What am I seeing? What am

718
00:36:05,836 --> 00:36:06,516
Speaker 2: I writing about?

719
00:36:06,716 --> 00:36:11,876
Speaker 7: You can still say anything is really smart. That's a

720
00:36:11,916 --> 00:36:12,436
Speaker 7: good quote.

721
00:36:12,516 --> 00:36:14,596
Speaker 1: You don't have to feel locked in. Yeah. Yeah. George

722
00:36:14,636 --> 00:36:16,876
Speaker 1: Ducolius was telling me how he like, you guys, wait

723
00:36:17,196 --> 00:36:19,356
Speaker 1: I saw that. He like, He's like, yeah, it was

724
00:36:19,716 --> 00:36:21,996
Speaker 1: that's what they want to do it And then I

725
00:36:22,036 --> 00:36:23,276
Speaker 1: can't watch the movie and then.

726
00:36:23,196 --> 00:36:25,236
Speaker 8: Like no, that was a good night. He just said it.

727
00:36:25,276 --> 00:36:27,916
Speaker 2: That was a good example of like how I feel

728
00:36:27,916 --> 00:36:30,636
Speaker 2: like I've I've been rewarded for acting this way, which

729
00:36:30,676 --> 00:36:33,436
Speaker 2: is like you know, we get put in touch with

730
00:36:33,476 --> 00:36:36,916
Speaker 2: Greta Gerwig, We get sent to I guess Warner wherever

731
00:36:36,916 --> 00:36:38,876
Speaker 2: we were, and it was like Greta and David Hayman,

732
00:36:38,956 --> 00:36:40,916
Speaker 2: who I'm like, that's the that's that motherfucker from the

733
00:36:40,956 --> 00:36:44,516
Speaker 2: Harry Potter Behind the Scenes DVD because he's produced all

734
00:36:44,516 --> 00:36:47,516
Speaker 2: the Harry Potter movies. So it's like Hayman, Greta and

735
00:36:47,636 --> 00:36:50,716
Speaker 2: George with us, and it was like they're again they're

736
00:36:50,716 --> 00:36:54,596
Speaker 2: being like very effusive and accommodating, you know what I.

737
00:36:54,516 --> 00:36:57,236
Speaker 8: Mean, like whatever you want to, whatever you want to do.

738
00:36:57,796 --> 00:36:59,876
Speaker 2: And I was like what do you need like what

739
00:36:59,916 --> 00:37:02,836
Speaker 2: where's the what scene? Do you need a song? Let

740
00:37:02,916 --> 00:37:05,476
Speaker 2: us do that, you know what I mean? Like I

741
00:37:05,516 --> 00:37:08,076
Speaker 2: know we could do whatever, but like like let's be

742
00:37:08,556 --> 00:37:12,356
Speaker 2: handyman for you, you know, so kind of getting her

743
00:37:12,396 --> 00:37:15,036
Speaker 2: to be like, well, if we could, if we need

744
00:37:15,036 --> 00:37:17,756
Speaker 2: one song, it's really this one song for this one scene.

745
00:37:17,956 --> 00:37:20,236
Speaker 2: And they're like great, but again it's like you kind

746
00:37:20,236 --> 00:37:22,916
Speaker 2: of have to let people have to be like I

747
00:37:22,956 --> 00:37:25,716
Speaker 2: know you're being accommodator to me, but I want to

748
00:37:25,756 --> 00:37:28,236
Speaker 2: be helpful, like I want to. It's like Ashby, like

749
00:37:28,236 --> 00:37:30,036
Speaker 2: we need a guitar song for this part, you know

750
00:37:30,076 --> 00:37:30,476
Speaker 2: what I mean?

751
00:37:30,596 --> 00:37:31,076
Speaker 8: Like Okay.

752
00:37:31,116 --> 00:37:34,836
Speaker 7: Great is a really big strength of phineases though, and

753
00:37:34,916 --> 00:37:38,156
Speaker 7: I think it's he's made me a better writer in

754
00:37:38,196 --> 00:37:40,996
Speaker 7: that regard because I think that I do have a

755
00:37:41,076 --> 00:37:45,756
Speaker 7: tendency to find something that excites me, like a lyric

756
00:37:46,036 --> 00:37:47,876
Speaker 7: or a word or a title, and then I'll just

757
00:37:48,516 --> 00:37:52,956
Speaker 7: like sculpt away everything that isn't the song, and then

758
00:37:52,996 --> 00:37:55,556
Speaker 7: you're left with like I know what I was saying,

759
00:37:55,956 --> 00:37:57,956
Speaker 7: like you kind of let it reveal itself.

760
00:37:58,196 --> 00:38:00,436
Speaker 8: But those are such great those make such great songs.

761
00:38:00,476 --> 00:38:03,316
Speaker 7: Some of those are really good songs. But I do think, Yeah,

762
00:38:03,396 --> 00:38:06,076
Speaker 7: he's made me a better writer, and like, let's figure

763
00:38:06,076 --> 00:38:08,676
Speaker 7: out what we're talking about and pain, you know.

764
00:38:08,796 --> 00:38:11,356
Speaker 2: I mean that's also by virtue of like Ash can

765
00:38:11,396 --> 00:38:13,636
Speaker 2: do that all day long and write an amazing song alone.

766
00:38:14,076 --> 00:38:16,156
Speaker 2: But if I'm going to be helpful at all, Like

767
00:38:16,196 --> 00:38:17,156
Speaker 2: what if that one mean?

768
00:38:17,276 --> 00:38:17,836
Speaker 8: Like you know what I mean?

769
00:38:17,836 --> 00:38:19,116
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're gonna be like that sort of

770
00:38:19,116 --> 00:38:20,636
Speaker 1: group dynamic of writing well or.

771
00:38:20,636 --> 00:38:22,356
Speaker 2: Even just the two of us, Yeah, it's like I'm

772
00:38:22,356 --> 00:38:25,436
Speaker 2: going to write something stupid if I am not in

773
00:38:25,516 --> 00:38:28,596
Speaker 2: the same like place that she's in. I've worked with

774
00:38:28,676 --> 00:38:33,436
Speaker 2: some really talented songwriters who like won't divulge whether whether

775
00:38:33,476 --> 00:38:35,956
Speaker 2: they know or not, they won't clue me in to

776
00:38:36,076 --> 00:38:39,716
Speaker 2: what they're to, what they're to why they're saying that line.

777
00:38:39,516 --> 00:38:42,396
Speaker 9: Has them such a disservice, Yeah, I mean it's self.

778
00:38:42,116 --> 00:38:45,516
Speaker 2: Consciousness or it's is that what it is or whatever

779
00:38:45,556 --> 00:38:48,076
Speaker 2: it like I or vulnerabile or like fuck I like

780
00:38:48,756 --> 00:38:50,956
Speaker 2: I don't want to tell that person that this is

781
00:38:50,956 --> 00:38:53,156
Speaker 2: what it did. Like I really empathize, but I it

782
00:38:53,196 --> 00:38:56,116
Speaker 2: makes me like useless, Like I'm like, oh, all right,

783
00:38:56,156 --> 00:38:57,836
Speaker 2: well I can sit here and play guitar for you.

784
00:38:57,876 --> 00:38:59,716
Speaker 2: But I can't come with a good line. I don't

785
00:38:59,716 --> 00:39:00,356
Speaker 2: know what you're talking about.

786
00:39:00,396 --> 00:39:01,796
Speaker 1: Do you even try in those scenarios or do you

787
00:39:01,836 --> 00:39:02,556
Speaker 1: just kind of no?

788
00:39:02,796 --> 00:39:05,916
Speaker 2: I mean like I'll keep asking questions, but if if

789
00:39:05,916 --> 00:39:08,036
Speaker 2: they won't tell me, I'm like, all right, dude, like

790
00:39:08,316 --> 00:39:09,036
Speaker 2: do let me press.

791
00:39:09,676 --> 00:39:09,916
Speaker 8: Yeah.

792
00:39:10,076 --> 00:39:13,316
Speaker 2: I've had days with Billy where she's like, you know,

793
00:39:13,756 --> 00:39:17,276
Speaker 2: been that way in the past, years ago. Usually it's

794
00:39:17,316 --> 00:39:20,716
Speaker 2: before like a breakup, and then you go through the

795
00:39:20,716 --> 00:39:22,436
Speaker 2: breakup and you're like, right, so.

796
00:39:22,356 --> 00:39:24,476
Speaker 1: You kind of know it's an early tell. You can

797
00:39:24,516 --> 00:39:25,756
Speaker 1: kind of tell it's well.

798
00:39:25,676 --> 00:39:28,476
Speaker 2: You're it's an early tell that somebody is thinking something

799
00:39:28,476 --> 00:39:30,476
Speaker 2: that they're not got telling you. I mean, and it's

800
00:39:30,556 --> 00:39:34,516
Speaker 2: just kind of knowing any friend, anytime you're like, anytime

801
00:39:34,556 --> 00:39:37,716
Speaker 2: you're somebody's answer is like uncomplicated, like how's how have

802
00:39:37,716 --> 00:39:40,276
Speaker 2: you been? And they're like I've been great. You're like,

803
00:39:40,276 --> 00:39:42,876
Speaker 2: all right, dude, you if you were a great you

804
00:39:42,916 --> 00:39:45,036
Speaker 2: can tell me. You could tell me why, you know

805
00:39:45,076 --> 00:39:47,156
Speaker 2: what I mean, like, oh, this thing has been really

806
00:39:47,156 --> 00:39:49,076
Speaker 2: fun and I've been really having a great time surfing

807
00:39:49,116 --> 00:39:51,196
Speaker 2: whatever it is. Somebody's like I've been doing great.

808
00:39:51,476 --> 00:39:54,196
Speaker 8: You're like, all right, you're lying.

809
00:39:54,116 --> 00:39:55,716
Speaker 1: It makes me feel good because I don't think I

810
00:39:55,796 --> 00:39:59,516
Speaker 1: ever get a straight answer to question. Everything's everything good?

811
00:39:59,836 --> 00:40:00,756
Speaker 9: I'm a rambler.

812
00:40:00,836 --> 00:40:04,356
Speaker 7: I had a session with Tobias Jesser Junior before I

813
00:40:04,636 --> 00:40:07,436
Speaker 7: really knew him as a person, and I was like,

814
00:40:07,796 --> 00:40:09,556
Speaker 7: I've never said this out loud, but I think I'm

815
00:40:09,556 --> 00:40:13,596
Speaker 7: going to leave my husband. Wow, you know, and like

816
00:40:13,876 --> 00:40:17,116
Speaker 7: that's what writing sessions are really good for, if you're

817
00:40:17,156 --> 00:40:19,356
Speaker 7: willing to be sort of like vulnerable.

818
00:40:19,396 --> 00:40:21,436
Speaker 9: And I mean that was a really scary thing to

819
00:40:21,476 --> 00:40:22,356
Speaker 9: say out loud.

820
00:40:22,556 --> 00:40:25,076
Speaker 8: But also protected by not knowing him to some degree.

821
00:40:25,196 --> 00:40:27,356
Speaker 9: Yeah, you strangers for sure.

822
00:40:27,556 --> 00:40:30,516
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a trial broadcast in it out.

823
00:40:30,756 --> 00:40:33,196
Speaker 2: I said to I work with this girl, Lucy Healey

824
00:40:33,236 --> 00:40:36,076
Speaker 2: a lot, and she's awesome. She does my jobs like

825
00:40:36,076 --> 00:40:37,876
Speaker 2: we do the same thing separately, and then we've worked

826
00:40:37,876 --> 00:40:39,876
Speaker 2: together and I said to her, like five weeks agaus,

827
00:40:39,876 --> 00:40:41,036
Speaker 2: Like what do you think it is about us that

828
00:40:41,076 --> 00:40:44,516
Speaker 2: makes everybody tell us all of their secrets? And you

829
00:40:44,556 --> 00:40:47,756
Speaker 2: know it's not true universally, but I do think it's like,

830
00:40:47,996 --> 00:40:50,276
Speaker 2: first of all, most people are way less curious than

831
00:40:50,676 --> 00:40:53,356
Speaker 2: you'd think they are. Most people are like not asking

832
00:40:53,436 --> 00:40:56,596
Speaker 2: enough questions. Yes, and then I also think that we

833
00:40:56,676 --> 00:40:59,676
Speaker 2: don't we're not honest with people because of their reactions.

834
00:40:59,716 --> 00:41:04,236
Speaker 2: Like we really underestimate how informed we are by reaction.

835
00:41:04,076 --> 00:41:04,676
Speaker 8: You know what I mean.

836
00:41:04,836 --> 00:41:07,836
Speaker 2: It's like you show your friend the thing you're proud

837
00:41:07,876 --> 00:41:10,556
Speaker 2: of if you feel like they're gonna see it and

838
00:41:10,636 --> 00:41:14,996
Speaker 2: acknowledge it, and you know, really to like understand why

839
00:41:15,036 --> 00:41:16,356
Speaker 2: you're proud of it, you know what I mean? Like

840
00:41:16,636 --> 00:41:19,436
Speaker 2: you you really are are sort of learned by your

841
00:41:19,476 --> 00:41:21,716
Speaker 2: reactions to stuff. And I think one of the things

842
00:41:21,716 --> 00:41:25,436
Speaker 2: that I have really learned from songwriting is like people

843
00:41:25,476 --> 00:41:28,396
Speaker 2: do low key to sit with you and tell you

844
00:41:29,196 --> 00:41:32,876
Speaker 2: traumatic stuff that they've been through, or they do what

845
00:41:32,956 --> 00:41:35,196
Speaker 2: Ash did a tobias and they tell you something that

846
00:41:35,196 --> 00:41:38,116
Speaker 2: they're they've decided they're gonna do. That then is kind

847
00:41:38,116 --> 00:41:41,236
Speaker 2: of your secret to keep, you know. And I think

848
00:41:41,356 --> 00:41:44,836
Speaker 2: it's really important to to not really bad an eye,

849
00:41:44,996 --> 00:41:48,636
Speaker 2: you know, to kind of sit there and just be like, Okay,

850
00:41:48,876 --> 00:41:52,396
Speaker 2: you know, thanks for sharing that. You know now I

851
00:41:52,476 --> 00:41:54,076
Speaker 2: know you more clearly.

852
00:41:53,836 --> 00:41:55,476
Speaker 1: There was I don't know how real it is or not,

853
00:41:55,516 --> 00:41:59,356
Speaker 1: but either in relation to this project or in relation

854
00:41:59,436 --> 00:42:01,676
Speaker 1: to projects of viewers in the past, I've heard you

855
00:42:01,676 --> 00:42:05,356
Speaker 1: talked about bringing in non musical references to sort of

856
00:42:05,356 --> 00:42:07,116
Speaker 1: help shape songs shape.

857
00:42:07,596 --> 00:42:10,556
Speaker 8: Is that an accurate imagery and stuff imager?

858
00:42:10,716 --> 00:42:15,756
Speaker 7: Yeah, definitely when it comes to the visuals. I don't

859
00:42:15,836 --> 00:42:21,636
Speaker 7: know how much it completely informed our lyricism on this record,

860
00:42:21,676 --> 00:42:24,476
Speaker 7: but once we've really got into like the meat and

861
00:42:24,516 --> 00:42:27,156
Speaker 7: potatoes of the album, I was sending pictures of like

862
00:42:27,916 --> 00:42:29,756
Speaker 7: JFK and Jackie.

863
00:42:29,316 --> 00:42:31,196
Speaker 9: O, and I was like, this could be us on

864
00:42:31,236 --> 00:42:31,916
Speaker 9: a sailboat.

865
00:42:32,156 --> 00:42:34,716
Speaker 2: Like you sent imagery like before we even wrote songs.

866
00:42:34,796 --> 00:42:37,756
Speaker 2: I think I thought you sent imagery so early, which

867
00:42:37,836 --> 00:42:38,476
Speaker 2: I loved, was.

868
00:42:38,476 --> 00:42:41,356
Speaker 7: Like great, there's definitely a pincher's board of like Paul

869
00:42:41,516 --> 00:42:44,556
Speaker 7: Newman and I'm like, Phineas is Paul Newman and he's

870
00:42:44,596 --> 00:42:50,236
Speaker 7: going to start tucking his shirts in and where did yeah?

871
00:42:50,276 --> 00:42:52,396
Speaker 1: And he looks so you kind of wuldn't look going

872
00:42:52,436 --> 00:42:54,796
Speaker 1: it's like the casual you know.

873
00:42:55,596 --> 00:42:58,716
Speaker 7: I think I am a real fan of like bringing

874
00:42:58,796 --> 00:43:04,116
Speaker 7: people into an entire like mini universe. So when you're

875
00:43:04,156 --> 00:43:06,276
Speaker 7: listening to an album and you're like, I am so

876
00:43:06,476 --> 00:43:10,116
Speaker 7: clearly in this world there or not, we were in

877
00:43:10,156 --> 00:43:12,036
Speaker 7: that world when we were making it. I just think

878
00:43:12,036 --> 00:43:16,316
Speaker 7: there's something more enticing about a full yeah.

879
00:43:16,356 --> 00:43:17,396
Speaker 8: An image picture.

880
00:43:17,516 --> 00:43:17,716
Speaker 7: You know.

881
00:43:17,916 --> 00:43:21,196
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ricky, who plays guitar in our band, is aesthetically

882
00:43:21,356 --> 00:43:25,196
Speaker 2: motivated like ashes, and I think like his face lights

883
00:43:25,276 --> 00:43:27,276
Speaker 2: up whenever I talk about like what we're all going

884
00:43:27,316 --> 00:43:30,156
Speaker 2: to kind of wear for the shows. You know, I'm

885
00:43:30,196 --> 00:43:32,116
Speaker 2: not saying we all wear this, but I've often been like,

886
00:43:32,156 --> 00:43:34,396
Speaker 2: I really want us to look coordinated, like whatever it is.

887
00:43:34,396 --> 00:43:36,836
Speaker 2: I want us to really look like a unit. Like

888
00:43:36,876 --> 00:43:39,516
Speaker 2: to me, that's a band thing. That's the difference between

889
00:43:39,516 --> 00:43:42,716
Speaker 2: like a solo artist and you know players. It's like

890
00:43:42,956 --> 00:43:46,356
Speaker 2: if a band really looks like it has a cohesive thing.

891
00:43:46,836 --> 00:43:49,276
Speaker 2: And you know, he has such good references and he's.

892
00:43:49,196 --> 00:43:51,676
Speaker 9: Like, I'm telling me one of the coolest looking.

893
00:43:51,676 --> 00:43:53,796
Speaker 2: Style periods that like I don't know about, you know,

894
00:43:53,956 --> 00:43:56,996
Speaker 2: was the Fairport nineties airport casual and you're like, all right,

895
00:43:57,076 --> 00:44:00,756
Speaker 2: man like like things where you're like wow, okay, but

896
00:44:00,796 --> 00:44:02,956
Speaker 2: it's all whenever I look it up, I'm like, oh, yeah,

897
00:44:02,996 --> 00:44:04,356
Speaker 2: it's a great that's great looking.

898
00:44:04,396 --> 00:44:05,476
Speaker 1: Do you guys land on something?

899
00:44:05,916 --> 00:44:07,516
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have some we have some stuff that I

900
00:44:07,556 --> 00:44:11,636
Speaker 2: won't I won't you know, speak out of existence here,

901
00:44:11,716 --> 00:44:13,956
Speaker 2: but yeah, always some good pulls.

902
00:44:13,796 --> 00:44:16,596
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, if you said it was a nineties

903
00:44:16,596 --> 00:44:17,356
Speaker 1: airport casualty.

904
00:44:19,596 --> 00:44:22,596
Speaker 2: I briefly went down a nineties airport casual thing and

905
00:44:22,636 --> 00:44:23,356
Speaker 2: it was crazy.

906
00:44:23,756 --> 00:44:24,516
Speaker 8: What is not that?

907
00:44:24,836 --> 00:44:27,396
Speaker 2: Well, what it's like Woody Harrelson wearing like the loudest

908
00:44:28,036 --> 00:44:31,516
Speaker 2: letterman jacket in the world and tucking his pants into

909
00:44:31,556 --> 00:44:33,316
Speaker 2: his socks, and shit, it's quits insane.

910
00:44:33,996 --> 00:44:36,316
Speaker 7: Phyas asked what I was gonna wear today to this,

911
00:44:36,516 --> 00:44:38,276
Speaker 7: and I sent him a picture of the outfit, and

912
00:44:38,316 --> 00:44:44,476
Speaker 7: I was like secretary on lunch, like everything has like

913
00:44:44,756 --> 00:44:46,156
Speaker 7: its own slogan.

914
00:44:46,356 --> 00:44:49,436
Speaker 2: I have four outfits total in my life, and I

915
00:44:49,556 --> 00:44:53,196
Speaker 2: use ashes my barometer of like formal verse casual. Right,

916
00:44:53,276 --> 00:44:55,836
Speaker 2: so like of my four outfits, I'm like, how formal

917
00:44:55,876 --> 00:44:57,916
Speaker 2: are we going? And if she goes formal, I'm alright,

918
00:44:57,916 --> 00:45:00,076
Speaker 2: I'm wearing a suit. And if it's casual, in my god,

919
00:45:00,076 --> 00:45:00,956
Speaker 2: I'll wear my shirt.

920
00:45:00,996 --> 00:45:04,516
Speaker 7: Although it's really cool at a Hyde park, I like

921
00:45:05,036 --> 00:45:08,196
Speaker 7: he brought me out, which was so sweet in this

922
00:45:08,396 --> 00:45:10,116
Speaker 7: for singing like sixty thousand people.

923
00:45:10,156 --> 00:45:12,836
Speaker 9: And he went out in like a.

924
00:45:12,716 --> 00:45:15,636
Speaker 8: Cool like Marnie, like a Martin.

925
00:45:15,796 --> 00:45:19,196
Speaker 7: Bin button down and he looked so laid back, and

926
00:45:19,276 --> 00:45:22,796
Speaker 7: I walked on in this like full sparkle like diva

927
00:45:22,956 --> 00:45:26,276
Speaker 7: out thing, and like I saw comments that were like

928
00:45:26,396 --> 00:45:27,716
Speaker 7: they're be thing, Like.

929
00:45:28,276 --> 00:45:31,396
Speaker 9: They're not, They're not on the same page. I thought

930
00:45:31,396 --> 00:45:32,636
Speaker 9: we looked so cool.

931
00:45:32,756 --> 00:45:36,516
Speaker 7: I thought so yeah, but I was like, I'm kind

932
00:45:36,556 --> 00:45:39,196
Speaker 7: of down whether you think we're fighting.

933
00:45:38,556 --> 00:45:41,076
Speaker 8: I wore it on. I was like, this will look

934
00:45:41,116 --> 00:45:41,956
Speaker 8: great with ashes thing.

935
00:45:42,076 --> 00:45:44,636
Speaker 7: Yeah it was, yeah, you were calculating about it. I

936
00:45:44,676 --> 00:45:45,956
Speaker 7: love that they thought we were fighting.

937
00:45:46,156 --> 00:45:49,436
Speaker 1: I hope they always do the level of like meta

938
00:45:49,516 --> 00:45:52,876
Speaker 1: narrative that I feel like, yeah, you know, fans build

939
00:45:53,316 --> 00:45:56,076
Speaker 1: around like I mean, not even particularly you guys, you

940
00:45:56,076 --> 00:45:58,916
Speaker 1: can talk about all artists about herself.

941
00:45:59,556 --> 00:46:04,116
Speaker 2: No, I mean I feel like probably you know, through

942
00:46:04,156 --> 00:46:05,996
Speaker 2: all of time, but I think certainly in the last

943
00:46:06,036 --> 00:46:09,716
Speaker 2: several years, like it's we talked about you know, Kendrick,

944
00:46:09,836 --> 00:46:13,916
Speaker 2: but it's all rap beef, Like Olivia Rodrigo's first album

945
00:46:13,996 --> 00:46:17,636
Speaker 2: is rap beef, like it's the we and what I.

946
00:46:17,556 --> 00:46:20,276
Speaker 8: Say by rap beef, we say out loud what I

947
00:46:20,396 --> 00:46:20,996
Speaker 8: what I say.

948
00:46:20,876 --> 00:46:24,676
Speaker 2: About that is like what what we want from rap

949
00:46:24,716 --> 00:46:28,116
Speaker 2: beef is oh, I know who they're singing about?

950
00:46:28,436 --> 00:46:28,996
Speaker 8: Do you know what I mean?

951
00:46:29,076 --> 00:46:32,476
Speaker 2: And that's really what kind of is the motivator, and

952
00:46:32,556 --> 00:46:35,996
Speaker 2: in most popular music is like oh shnap, I know

953
00:46:36,116 --> 00:46:38,756
Speaker 2: that that song is about that guy that's now dating

954
00:46:38,796 --> 00:46:41,476
Speaker 2: that person. Like there is a lot of with like

955
00:46:41,556 --> 00:46:44,396
Speaker 2: it's we've really we're invested in it, you know, And.

956
00:46:44,316 --> 00:46:46,076
Speaker 1: I guess it's the rumors playbook too.

957
00:46:46,276 --> 00:46:49,636
Speaker 8: Well, you've really all been going around for a long time.

958
00:46:49,756 --> 00:46:52,316
Speaker 2: I mean I think that, you know, our relationship with

959
00:46:53,196 --> 00:46:56,796
Speaker 2: artists on social media platforms is exacerbated. We can pick

960
00:46:56,876 --> 00:46:59,596
Speaker 2: apart rumors in retrospect. But like when rumors came out,

961
00:46:59,796 --> 00:47:01,396
Speaker 2: they didn't they didn't know that that was what was

962
00:47:01,436 --> 00:47:03,756
Speaker 2: going on. They just were like, wow, great songs, they

963
00:47:03,796 --> 00:47:05,436
Speaker 2: sound in love, you know what I mean? And then

964
00:47:05,556 --> 00:47:08,116
Speaker 2: like you you dissect it years later, but now it's

965
00:47:08,156 --> 00:47:08,956
Speaker 2: in real time.

966
00:47:09,276 --> 00:47:11,316
Speaker 1: In in real time, Like how like does that impact

967
00:47:11,356 --> 00:47:13,156
Speaker 1: how you guys feel about stuff when you put it out,

968
00:47:13,156 --> 00:47:14,716
Speaker 1: because it's like as soon as something comes out, there's

969
00:47:14,756 --> 00:47:17,076
Speaker 1: no like gestation.

970
00:47:16,836 --> 00:47:20,876
Speaker 2: Pulling crazy, Like anytime I work on a project and

971
00:47:20,916 --> 00:47:24,116
Speaker 2: I send somebody something and they react instantly, you know,

972
00:47:24,836 --> 00:47:27,716
Speaker 2: they have a note or something, I'm like, motherfucker, sit

973
00:47:27,796 --> 00:47:28,116
Speaker 2: on it.

974
00:47:28,236 --> 00:47:30,516
Speaker 8: Sit on it for a day, like you know what

975
00:47:30,556 --> 00:47:31,556
Speaker 8: I mean? Yeah.

976
00:47:31,596 --> 00:47:34,396
Speaker 2: How often are you like shown something and you love

977
00:47:34,396 --> 00:47:37,396
Speaker 2: it immediately. Stuff takes time to like process and.

978
00:47:37,356 --> 00:47:38,116
Speaker 8: Absorb, you know.

979
00:47:38,396 --> 00:47:42,836
Speaker 1: I'm more like like sometimes someone sends me something nothing

980
00:47:42,876 --> 00:47:43,196
Speaker 1: for it.

981
00:47:43,316 --> 00:47:45,556
Speaker 2: I mean more of the story, which is Ash's biggest

982
00:47:45,596 --> 00:47:49,036
Speaker 2: song like a year later started to blow up, which

983
00:47:49,076 --> 00:47:50,956
Speaker 2: to me is a real testament to like, what's the

984
00:47:50,956 --> 00:47:53,316
Speaker 2: story on that. Well, the story is that it was

985
00:47:53,356 --> 00:47:56,316
Speaker 2: being underserved by a label, which is true of most

986
00:47:56,396 --> 00:47:59,116
Speaker 2: music in the world, you know, even great labels.

987
00:47:59,156 --> 00:48:00,436
Speaker 8: It's like it's starless.

988
00:48:00,996 --> 00:48:03,916
Speaker 2: Songs didn't even get on like New Music Friday on

989
00:48:03,956 --> 00:48:06,116
Speaker 2: Spotify when it came out. This was back in the

990
00:48:06,116 --> 00:48:08,716
Speaker 2: period of time where I felt like playlists were kind

991
00:48:08,756 --> 00:48:12,556
Speaker 2: of the the top dog and using discovery. Now it's

992
00:48:12,596 --> 00:48:14,996
Speaker 2: not true anymore, but it was, and so it just

993
00:48:15,116 --> 00:48:18,436
Speaker 2: was like underserved. Everybody that would hear it was like,

994
00:48:18,476 --> 00:48:20,756
Speaker 2: this is an awesome song. I'd go to her shows

995
00:48:20,996 --> 00:48:23,596
Speaker 2: and like that. Everybody loved the song, but it just

996
00:48:23,636 --> 00:48:27,556
Speaker 2: wasn't exposed. And then it got amazing sync in a film,

997
00:48:27,676 --> 00:48:30,036
Speaker 2: a Netflix film, and so then it was really had

998
00:48:30,076 --> 00:48:30,756
Speaker 2: good exposure.

999
00:48:30,876 --> 00:48:32,756
Speaker 8: I mean, people still had to do legwork. They still

1000
00:48:32,756 --> 00:48:33,756
Speaker 8: had to like.

1001
00:48:33,396 --> 00:48:35,116
Speaker 2: Like the scene in the movie and go look up

1002
00:48:35,156 --> 00:48:36,796
Speaker 2: the song, but they did, you know, and then it

1003
00:48:36,876 --> 00:48:38,156
Speaker 2: started to get really popular.

1004
00:48:38,236 --> 00:48:40,356
Speaker 1: Are thinks the main driver now is that the no

1005
00:48:40,356 --> 00:48:41,876
Speaker 1: no they help?

1006
00:48:42,316 --> 00:48:46,196
Speaker 2: Yeah, sinks totally help, but people are everybody's viewership is

1007
00:48:46,236 --> 00:48:46,916
Speaker 2: still fright there.

1008
00:48:46,836 --> 00:48:50,316
Speaker 7: Is feels like the main driver is rap beef yes,

1009
00:48:51,316 --> 00:48:54,956
Speaker 7: And I think that you know there. I think Phineas

1010
00:48:54,956 --> 00:48:57,876
Speaker 7: and I both went into this going like we know

1011
00:48:58,116 --> 00:48:59,636
Speaker 7: what they're gonna do with.

1012
00:48:59,556 --> 00:49:02,276
Speaker 8: This project, Like, yeah, they're gonna think where Stevi Nixon.

1013
00:49:03,956 --> 00:49:07,516
Speaker 7: Also, we're like, there isn't a lot of what we

1014
00:49:07,596 --> 00:49:11,756
Speaker 7: created with the Favors isn't happening a ton like almost

1015
00:49:12,236 --> 00:49:15,276
Speaker 7: like there's like a really specific lane that we stepped

1016
00:49:15,276 --> 00:49:19,156
Speaker 7: into that like we knew there was gonna be the

1017
00:49:19,156 --> 00:49:23,396
Speaker 7: Fleetwood Mac comparisons and all of that, and I that's okay.

1018
00:49:24,836 --> 00:49:29,756
Speaker 7: I think I really like. It wasn't until Little Mess

1019
00:49:29,796 --> 00:49:34,796
Speaker 7: came out that we were like, oh oh, because we

1020
00:49:34,956 --> 00:49:37,396
Speaker 7: both we were in New York doing press before Little

1021
00:49:37,396 --> 00:49:39,556
Speaker 7: Mess came out. We're sitting on your couch and we

1022
00:49:39,556 --> 00:49:43,276
Speaker 7: were like, people are probably gonna, you know, create a

1023
00:49:43,356 --> 00:49:45,996
Speaker 7: narrative for us. How do we feel about that? And

1024
00:49:46,276 --> 00:49:48,156
Speaker 7: how are we going to respond, and we were very

1025
00:49:48,196 --> 00:49:50,596
Speaker 7: casual about it and we were very like, you know,

1026
00:49:51,116 --> 00:49:52,156
Speaker 7: it'll be what it's going to be.

1027
00:49:52,716 --> 00:49:55,116
Speaker 9: Yeah, we'll see how it goes. And then little mess came.

1028
00:49:54,996 --> 00:49:58,316
Speaker 8: Out and it was like yeah, it was extreme.

1029
00:49:57,996 --> 00:50:01,396
Speaker 9: An initial like sort of uh yeah.

1030
00:50:01,836 --> 00:50:04,596
Speaker 2: I think that the difference is like, if we were

1031
00:50:04,956 --> 00:50:11,356
Speaker 2: both single, I'd probably feel like no desire to defend anybody,

1032
00:50:11,636 --> 00:50:14,076
Speaker 2: do you know what I mean. I'd be like, well, whatever,

1033
00:50:14,116 --> 00:50:16,396
Speaker 2: we are just friends. But they can think whatever they

1034
00:50:16,396 --> 00:50:18,596
Speaker 2: want whatever. But I think the fact that we're both

1035
00:50:18,636 --> 00:50:22,356
Speaker 2: in like really long committed relationships, not only do I

1036
00:50:22,396 --> 00:50:24,196
Speaker 2: have a desire to like be like, no, you guys

1037
00:50:24,196 --> 00:50:27,876
Speaker 2: don't understand John Ash's fiance. I love John like that

1038
00:50:28,036 --> 00:50:31,876
Speaker 2: everything is everything is great. We love that guy. Claude

1039
00:50:31,876 --> 00:50:33,516
Speaker 2: and I are great. Like not only do I have

1040
00:50:33,556 --> 00:50:35,716
Speaker 2: that element of it, but I also think that like

1041
00:50:36,196 --> 00:50:39,636
Speaker 2: I don't want people to think that we're scumbags when

1042
00:50:39,636 --> 00:50:40,916
Speaker 2: we're not, you know what I mean, Like, I think

1043
00:50:41,076 --> 00:50:44,036
Speaker 2: that's kind of more than any Yeah, I think that

1044
00:50:44,116 --> 00:50:46,436
Speaker 2: more than anything else. You're like no, no, no, no, don't

1045
00:50:46,676 --> 00:50:50,116
Speaker 2: think that we're like bad people or you know, not

1046
00:50:50,156 --> 00:50:52,076
Speaker 2: that not that you're a bad person. If you have

1047
00:50:52,076 --> 00:50:53,956
Speaker 2: an affair, but don't think we're don't think we're doing

1048
00:50:53,996 --> 00:50:55,196
Speaker 2: an illicit thing.

1049
00:50:55,396 --> 00:50:57,916
Speaker 1: It's more fun too, by the way that it's not, well,

1050
00:50:57,956 --> 00:51:00,756
Speaker 1: it's more it's definitely safer.

1051
00:51:00,836 --> 00:51:04,436
Speaker 8: It's definitely like gonna make our careers longer.

1052
00:51:04,116 --> 00:51:06,516
Speaker 9: You know what I mean, Like, there's no maybe our

1053
00:51:06,556 --> 00:51:07,396
Speaker 9: lives longer.

1054
00:51:07,716 --> 00:51:08,156
Speaker 8: Oh my god.

1055
00:51:08,196 --> 00:51:10,276
Speaker 2: I was having some covers with somebody the other day

1056
00:51:10,276 --> 00:51:12,156
Speaker 2: about somebody else that I will not name, and I

1057
00:51:12,196 --> 00:51:13,556
Speaker 2: was like, oh, yeah, I mean they're you know, they

1058
00:51:13,556 --> 00:51:15,236
Speaker 2: don't talk. And they were like why And I was like, well,

1059
00:51:15,236 --> 00:51:17,796
Speaker 2: they had an affair. And they were like why don't

1060
00:51:17,796 --> 00:51:18,116
Speaker 2: they talk?

1061
00:51:18,156 --> 00:51:19,996
Speaker 8: And I was like, what do you mean they had

1062
00:51:20,036 --> 00:51:20,956
Speaker 8: an affair? Dude?

1063
00:51:20,996 --> 00:51:24,716
Speaker 2: Like there is no like, it is so rare to

1064
00:51:24,836 --> 00:51:28,236
Speaker 2: do a destructive thing and then salvage any form of

1065
00:51:28,276 --> 00:51:31,956
Speaker 2: your relationship after that, you know what I mean. Like, yeah,

1066
00:51:32,036 --> 00:51:33,996
Speaker 2: even if you're the people having an affigure like that,

1067
00:51:34,036 --> 00:51:36,636
Speaker 2: you're it's gonna be bad, you know what I mean? Yeah,

1068
00:51:36,796 --> 00:51:39,756
Speaker 2: but yeah, I mean again, it's like I think somebody

1069
00:51:39,836 --> 00:51:42,196
Speaker 2: said they were like, it's you guys, but it's not

1070
00:51:42,236 --> 00:51:46,196
Speaker 2: you guys, Like it really is like the it's the

1071
00:51:46,236 --> 00:51:49,396
Speaker 2: same to me as your music video persona Right. Ash

1072
00:51:49,396 --> 00:51:52,636
Speaker 2: stars in an Ash music video. She's tap dancing, there

1073
00:51:52,676 --> 00:51:55,996
Speaker 2: are backup dancers whatever. There's like an interesting narrative thing.

1074
00:51:56,196 --> 00:51:58,356
Speaker 8: It's not really her, but it is really her.

1075
00:51:58,516 --> 00:52:01,876
Speaker 9: Right, It's kind of like how we are when we're live.

1076
00:52:01,996 --> 00:52:03,036
Speaker 8: That's exactly what I'm saying.

1077
00:52:03,036 --> 00:52:04,996
Speaker 2: Like, Yeah, the Hudson music video, which I love, is

1078
00:52:05,036 --> 00:52:08,916
Speaker 2: like we're running around New York. We're holding hands, we're

1079
00:52:09,196 --> 00:52:11,196
Speaker 2: into each other, We're dancing on top of a chest set.

1080
00:52:11,236 --> 00:52:13,956
Speaker 2: Like it's not us, it is us because we're singing

1081
00:52:13,956 --> 00:52:16,196
Speaker 2: the song and it's us in the video and we're friends.

1082
00:52:16,636 --> 00:52:20,756
Speaker 2: But it's like it's it's fulfilling and narrative kind of

1083
00:52:20,796 --> 00:52:23,196
Speaker 2: like we're talking about in all things. It's like you're

1084
00:52:23,196 --> 00:52:26,636
Speaker 2: really trying to like show people the narrative that the

1085
00:52:26,716 --> 00:52:28,116
Speaker 2: song is articulating.

1086
00:52:28,236 --> 00:52:32,356
Speaker 1: Yeah, one last break and we're back with Phineas and

1087
00:52:32,436 --> 00:52:38,836
Speaker 1: Ash of the Favors. I want to pick back up

1088
00:52:38,836 --> 00:52:41,316
Speaker 1: the Hudson threat, but I want but before moving too that,

1089
00:52:41,356 --> 00:52:43,396
Speaker 1: I want to go back to like what you said earlier,

1090
00:52:43,436 --> 00:52:46,436
Speaker 1: which is that like you you step, you guys both

1091
00:52:46,476 --> 00:52:49,996
Speaker 1: step squarely into like a genre. Yeah, I was shocked

1092
00:52:50,036 --> 00:52:54,316
Speaker 1: how little that's actually happened, like outside of like Johnny

1093
00:52:54,316 --> 00:52:56,436
Speaker 1: Cash and like June Carter, I've done some stuff or

1094
00:52:56,476 --> 00:52:59,316
Speaker 1: like Tammy Wynette and like George Jones, like you know,

1095
00:52:59,356 --> 00:53:01,396
Speaker 1: but there's it's like it's a lot of country, and

1096
00:53:01,396 --> 00:53:03,996
Speaker 1: then it's like Fleetwood, Mandi Gaga and Tony Bennett Lady

1097
00:53:04,316 --> 00:53:08,396
Speaker 1: like like straight up you well yeah, yeah, right, yeah, right,

1098
00:53:08,436 --> 00:53:11,636
Speaker 1: there's those, there's those and yeah, and then there's like

1099
00:53:11,676 --> 00:53:14,596
Speaker 1: one off do you know, like one offs like you know, but.

1100
00:53:14,876 --> 00:53:18,356
Speaker 7: Yeah, like Islands in the Stream, Yeah, exactly, the duets

1101
00:53:18,356 --> 00:53:21,516
Speaker 7: that have been famously famous, but but a.

1102
00:53:21,516 --> 00:53:25,236
Speaker 2: Whole album like like in the Civil Wars and Fleetwood

1103
00:53:25,236 --> 00:53:29,476
Speaker 2: Mac and you know, there's probably others that. I mean,

1104
00:53:29,556 --> 00:53:33,196
Speaker 2: like this is like the Marias are in that boat

1105
00:53:33,276 --> 00:53:37,236
Speaker 2: right now. There's like Josh and Maria both singing and writing,

1106
00:53:37,316 --> 00:53:40,516
Speaker 2: and she's really the singing, you know, ninety percent of it.

1107
00:53:40,596 --> 00:53:43,436
Speaker 7: But that was another important thing I think to Phineas

1108
00:53:43,476 --> 00:53:45,796
Speaker 7: and I was we didn't want it to just be

1109
00:53:45,876 --> 00:53:48,276
Speaker 7: like a duet record, you know, we wanted to be

1110
00:53:48,396 --> 00:53:52,636
Speaker 7: sort of like parallel singing with each other and either

1111
00:53:52,716 --> 00:53:56,716
Speaker 7: in unison or harmony. But if we're in harmony, you're

1112
00:53:56,756 --> 00:53:59,396
Speaker 7: not really sure who's doing the harmony and who's doing

1113
00:53:59,396 --> 00:54:02,476
Speaker 7: the lead, like that was an important piece of us

1114
00:54:02,516 --> 00:54:03,036
Speaker 7: creating it.

1115
00:54:03,196 --> 00:54:05,076
Speaker 1: I'm not even sure you sure who's doing that like

1116
00:54:05,076 --> 00:54:07,676
Speaker 1: in the songs, like who's doing what narratively unless you

1117
00:54:07,756 --> 00:54:10,116
Speaker 1: really focus maybe on like the pounds, but if you

1118
00:54:10,196 --> 00:54:12,356
Speaker 1: just sort of were just kind of letting it wash over.

1119
00:54:13,236 --> 00:54:15,876
Speaker 7: There's a crazy TikTok that went viral of us singing

1120
00:54:16,076 --> 00:54:19,956
Speaker 7: Till Forever Falls Apart and the camera's only on me,

1121
00:54:20,236 --> 00:54:22,876
Speaker 7: but it's you singing, and everyone's like, oh my god,

1122
00:54:22,916 --> 00:54:27,516
Speaker 7: I thought she is the like the boyish, But yeah,

1123
00:54:27,556 --> 00:54:31,036
Speaker 7: I think it's a cool We do blend really nicely too.

1124
00:54:31,156 --> 00:54:34,476
Speaker 7: That that was like a stroke of luck being good

1125
00:54:34,476 --> 00:54:36,236
Speaker 7: friends that sound good together.

1126
00:54:36,916 --> 00:54:39,796
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, how did the whole thing come together?

1127
00:54:40,356 --> 00:54:43,676
Speaker 1: And how did like the favors? How did like you know,

1128
00:54:43,676 --> 00:54:46,676
Speaker 1: obviously you guys have collaborated to degree before.

1129
00:54:47,556 --> 00:54:54,236
Speaker 7: Well, I mean, the real impetus was I was taking

1130
00:54:54,276 --> 00:55:01,636
Speaker 7: a pretty big like musical hiatus, uh and was very

1131
00:55:01,756 --> 00:55:06,436
Speaker 7: unsure about returning to making music again, and for for

1132
00:55:06,516 --> 00:55:11,476
Speaker 7: loads of reasons, for out reasons, for you know, being

1133
00:55:11,476 --> 00:55:16,196
Speaker 7: a little disillusioned by the music industry, or entertainment industry,

1134
00:55:16,316 --> 00:55:20,436
Speaker 7: but also just like not having dealt with serious trauma

1135
00:55:20,476 --> 00:55:20,796
Speaker 7: in my.

1136
00:55:20,716 --> 00:55:21,556
Speaker 9: Life, YadA YadA.

1137
00:55:21,836 --> 00:55:26,596
Speaker 7: So I took I was like Goodbye World in February.

1138
00:55:26,236 --> 00:55:31,076
Speaker 9: Of twenty twenty three, yep.

1139
00:55:31,916 --> 00:55:37,956
Speaker 7: And like two months into that, like therapy and whatnot,

1140
00:55:38,036 --> 00:55:41,196
Speaker 7: I started like what can I be creative in other ways?

1141
00:55:42,196 --> 00:55:46,916
Speaker 7: And I started writing this like script that was about

1142
00:55:46,956 --> 00:55:50,396
Speaker 7: a band, and I was like, what they like, imagine

1143
00:55:50,996 --> 00:55:54,596
Speaker 7: there's these two characters and they're going on this whatever

1144
00:55:55,036 --> 00:55:56,876
Speaker 7: we want to start it by blah blah blah blah

1145
00:55:56,916 --> 00:55:58,876
Speaker 7: blah blah. And then I was like, I know nothing

1146
00:55:58,916 --> 00:56:02,636
Speaker 7: about writing scripts. For one, so you're an idiot. And

1147
00:56:02,756 --> 00:56:06,196
Speaker 7: for two, I've never been in a band. So if

1148
00:56:06,236 --> 00:56:08,556
Speaker 7: I want to be a writer, if I should read more,

1149
00:56:09,196 --> 00:56:13,036
Speaker 7: and I need to start a band and like probably

1150
00:56:13,036 --> 00:56:13,556
Speaker 7: fulfill that.

1151
00:56:14,316 --> 00:56:16,636
Speaker 2: I've written some scripts to and I've read so few

1152
00:56:16,716 --> 00:56:19,436
Speaker 2: of them that like when I'm writing, I'm like exterior, I.

1153
00:56:19,396 --> 00:56:20,556
Speaker 8: Guess like like.

1154
00:56:21,996 --> 00:56:24,036
Speaker 3: I'm like god light, Yeah.

1155
00:56:24,156 --> 00:56:26,116
Speaker 2: I always jokes anytime anyone's like are you going to

1156
00:56:26,156 --> 00:56:27,836
Speaker 2: write a book? Ever, I'm like I'd have to read

1157
00:56:27,836 --> 00:56:31,596
Speaker 2: one first, Like like there's like like I'm good at

1158
00:56:31,636 --> 00:56:34,396
Speaker 2: making music because I love listening to music, you know

1159
00:56:34,476 --> 00:56:36,916
Speaker 2: what I mean, like, yeah, sorry, that's the thing I

1160
00:56:36,996 --> 00:56:37,876
Speaker 2: love Alison.

1161
00:56:39,516 --> 00:56:42,276
Speaker 7: I sort of was like, that's a dumb idea. Why

1162
00:56:42,276 --> 00:56:44,076
Speaker 7: am I trying to do that? And then I hit

1163
00:56:44,116 --> 00:56:47,956
Speaker 7: Phineas and was like, hear me out? You know, do

1164
00:56:47,996 --> 00:56:51,116
Speaker 7: you want to try this thing with me? And it

1165
00:56:51,236 --> 00:56:52,596
Speaker 7: was such an immediate yes.

1166
00:56:53,116 --> 00:56:55,196
Speaker 9: Do you want to start a band? I was like,

1167
00:56:55,236 --> 00:56:56,316
Speaker 9: hear me out.

1168
00:56:56,956 --> 00:57:00,956
Speaker 7: We start a band and we we put out one

1169
00:57:01,036 --> 00:57:06,196
Speaker 7: album or whatever we write, we cut, that's the album.

1170
00:57:06,436 --> 00:57:08,716
Speaker 7: We put it out, play a week or two a

1171
00:57:08,756 --> 00:57:12,236
Speaker 7: show and call it a day. And you know, he

1172
00:57:12,316 --> 00:57:17,036
Speaker 7: replied all caps like yes please, and then this solves

1173
00:57:17,076 --> 00:57:21,436
Speaker 7: all my problems, which is really sweet. And six months

1174
00:57:21,516 --> 00:57:23,596
Speaker 7: later we were making the album.

1175
00:57:24,076 --> 00:57:26,156
Speaker 1: What made you so receptive to it at that point

1176
00:57:26,196 --> 00:57:30,636
Speaker 1: because you, in my mind, you'd collaborated with more people

1177
00:57:31,156 --> 00:57:33,356
Speaker 1: than you like when I went to back, was like, yeah.

1178
00:57:33,276 --> 00:57:33,516
Speaker 8: Not that ba.

1179
00:57:33,516 --> 00:57:35,236
Speaker 1: Actually the collaboratord that as many people as I thought,

1180
00:57:35,276 --> 00:57:35,916
Speaker 1: And so it.

1181
00:57:35,876 --> 00:57:40,036
Speaker 9: Is, you know, like why do you take a chance?

1182
00:57:40,396 --> 00:57:43,076
Speaker 2: Uh love ash like loved you know the idea of

1183
00:57:43,116 --> 00:57:44,436
Speaker 2: getting to work with her more.

1184
00:57:44,756 --> 00:57:45,836
Speaker 8: It sounded so fun.

1185
00:57:46,636 --> 00:57:49,636
Speaker 2: I think it was so kind of like even though

1186
00:57:49,636 --> 00:57:54,876
Speaker 2: it wasn't, it felt so sort of like clearly conceived.

1187
00:57:54,956 --> 00:57:56,196
Speaker 8: I was like, oh, I can picture that.

1188
00:57:56,236 --> 00:57:59,436
Speaker 2: Obviously I pictured you know, you can't like I didn't

1189
00:57:59,476 --> 00:58:02,356
Speaker 2: picture the twelve songs we ended up with and whatever.

1190
00:58:02,396 --> 00:58:04,236
Speaker 2: But I was like, oh, I can see that. I

1191
00:58:04,276 --> 00:58:06,676
Speaker 2: can see loving that, I can see you thinking that's great.

1192
00:58:07,836 --> 00:58:09,396
Speaker 2: And it was also like one of those things where

1193
00:58:09,436 --> 00:58:12,356
Speaker 2: like the other rule is like say yes to the

1194
00:58:12,396 --> 00:58:14,836
Speaker 2: thing you'd be jealous of if somebody else did it.

1195
00:58:15,116 --> 00:58:16,156
Speaker 8: You know, yeah, for sure.

1196
00:58:16,196 --> 00:58:18,636
Speaker 2: I mean like that's been you know, not to toot

1197
00:58:18,676 --> 00:58:21,236
Speaker 2: our own horn, but like the last year of kind

1198
00:58:21,276 --> 00:58:23,116
Speaker 2: of like when it's been wrapping up and I've told

1199
00:58:23,156 --> 00:58:28,036
Speaker 2: some people about it, they're like, damn, yeah, that's really cool,

1200
00:58:28,676 --> 00:58:30,916
Speaker 2: I think because it just scratches a lot of like

1201
00:58:31,156 --> 00:58:34,036
Speaker 2: the itch of why all of us do this. Like

1202
00:58:34,756 --> 00:58:36,956
Speaker 2: it's kind of like the album is called The Dream,

1203
00:58:36,956 --> 00:58:39,716
Speaker 2: but like the dream that we all kind of had

1204
00:58:39,956 --> 00:58:43,636
Speaker 2: in like high school was like, dude, if me and

1205
00:58:43,676 --> 00:58:45,636
Speaker 2: my best friends were in this band and then we

1206
00:58:45,676 --> 00:58:48,956
Speaker 2: got to play whatever, you know, Austin City Limits or something,

1207
00:58:49,476 --> 00:58:53,676
Speaker 2: and like, yeah, you make these sort of compromises along,

1208
00:58:53,916 --> 00:58:58,436
Speaker 2: like like the you know has it been a complete

1209
00:58:58,596 --> 00:59:01,236
Speaker 2: dream come true that I've gotten to like do all

1210
00:59:01,236 --> 00:59:02,196
Speaker 2: this stuff with my sister.

1211
00:59:02,276 --> 00:59:04,596
Speaker 8: Oh my god. Yes, it's been the best thing in

1212
00:59:04,636 --> 00:59:06,556
Speaker 8: the world. And I love working with her. I'll work

1213
00:59:06,596 --> 00:59:07,396
Speaker 8: with her until I die.

1214
00:59:07,436 --> 00:59:09,956
Speaker 2: I love working with her, to touring with her all

1215
00:59:09,996 --> 00:59:14,316
Speaker 2: those years, I didn't have the mental capacity to picture

1216
00:59:14,356 --> 00:59:16,756
Speaker 2: that growing, you know what I mean, when I'm fifteen,

1217
00:59:16,876 --> 00:59:19,116
Speaker 2: Billi's eleven, right, I'm not like.

1218
00:59:19,116 --> 00:59:20,316
Speaker 1: Dude, no one's.

1219
00:59:22,036 --> 00:59:24,316
Speaker 8: Well, it's just like too hard to imagine.

1220
00:59:24,396 --> 00:59:26,036
Speaker 2: If somebody said, like, would that be cool to you,

1221
00:59:26,036 --> 00:59:27,356
Speaker 2: I'd be like, of course that'd be cool to me.

1222
00:59:27,356 --> 00:59:29,436
Speaker 8: I didn't know that was an option. Yeah, you know.

1223
00:59:29,516 --> 00:59:32,316
Speaker 2: But what I like, I always joke like my high

1224
00:59:32,316 --> 00:59:34,636
Speaker 2: school dreams were like I want my band to open

1225
00:59:34,716 --> 00:59:37,036
Speaker 2: for a band that plays the fond of Theater in

1226
00:59:37,116 --> 00:59:38,396
Speaker 2: LA just like twelve hundred people.

1227
00:59:38,516 --> 00:59:40,636
Speaker 8: That's like how big my dreams were. They're very small.

1228
00:59:40,796 --> 00:59:41,716
Speaker 8: Sounds awesome, you know.

1229
00:59:41,796 --> 00:59:44,636
Speaker 2: And again, so I think I think telling people over

1230
00:59:44,676 --> 00:59:47,356
Speaker 2: the past year like, well, yeah, and I like, are

1231
00:59:47,356 --> 00:59:49,116
Speaker 2: going to start a band and it's got a band name,

1232
00:59:49,156 --> 00:59:51,796
Speaker 2: and we're just going to do like cool one off

1233
00:59:51,796 --> 00:59:53,836
Speaker 2: shows kind of We're not going to like hit the

1234
00:59:53,916 --> 00:59:56,636
Speaker 2: road hard. We're going to do like just some shows,

1235
00:59:56,716 --> 01:00:00,756
Speaker 2: and it's been really fun, and so I think people

1236
01:00:00,756 --> 01:00:02,396
Speaker 2: in there it's the same way I felt when I

1237
01:00:02,516 --> 01:00:04,476
Speaker 2: when she invited me to do it, I was like, Oh,

1238
01:00:04,596 --> 01:00:07,476
Speaker 2: that sounds fun and cool. And then to be honest,

1239
01:00:07,516 --> 01:00:11,756
Speaker 2: like everybody I've played the record for, whether it's like

1240
01:00:11,796 --> 01:00:14,876
Speaker 2: people in the label business or like you know, like

1241
01:00:15,116 --> 01:00:17,516
Speaker 2: Paul Cartwright who played the strings on the album, like

1242
01:00:18,036 --> 01:00:20,396
Speaker 2: they really I think that we had so much fun

1243
01:00:20,476 --> 01:00:23,036
Speaker 2: making it that they just get it, like they hear

1244
01:00:23,076 --> 01:00:26,116
Speaker 2: it and they're like, oh, yeah, like it. It's taken

1245
01:00:26,236 --> 01:00:29,596
Speaker 2: no translating time. I've been making this analogy to Ash

1246
01:00:29,636 --> 01:00:33,436
Speaker 2: for a few months now that like what I've tried

1247
01:00:33,436 --> 01:00:36,596
Speaker 2: to do several times in my career is like the

1248
01:00:36,716 --> 01:00:38,756
Speaker 2: music equivalent of like when you go to a fancy

1249
01:00:38,836 --> 01:00:41,876
Speaker 2: restaurant and you're not quite sure what you're eating, but

1250
01:00:41,956 --> 01:00:44,756
Speaker 2: it's good, right. They're like, there's an emulsifier and this

1251
01:00:45,316 --> 01:00:47,436
Speaker 2: you're and like you end up eating like two dollars.

1252
01:00:47,476 --> 01:00:49,196
Speaker 2: There's like a doll up of this and like a

1253
01:00:49,236 --> 01:00:52,676
Speaker 2: strange cracker that looks like a daisy and.

1254
01:00:52,596 --> 01:00:54,556
Speaker 8: You're like wow, and you take a bite and you're like,

1255
01:00:54,956 --> 01:00:55,316
Speaker 8: I'm not.

1256
01:00:55,276 --> 01:00:58,516
Speaker 2: Even sure what that is, and I think I like

1257
01:00:58,596 --> 01:01:00,956
Speaker 2: it and I know this is nice and interesting, but

1258
01:01:00,996 --> 01:01:02,596
Speaker 2: it takes the time. And then maybe a month later

1259
01:01:02,636 --> 01:01:05,596
Speaker 2: you're like that restaurant was really good, Like that was crazy, but.

1260
01:01:05,596 --> 01:01:06,956
Speaker 8: It's such an adjustment yep.

1261
01:01:07,156 --> 01:01:08,876
Speaker 2: And I always joke that, like what we've made is

1262
01:01:08,916 --> 01:01:12,236
Speaker 2: like this is spaghetti and it's marinera and there is

1263
01:01:12,236 --> 01:01:15,556
Speaker 2: fresh basil, and you're like, I love spaghetti, dude, Like

1264
01:01:15,596 --> 01:01:17,556
Speaker 2: there's a kind of a like straight but it might

1265
01:01:17,596 --> 01:01:21,796
Speaker 2: not be the most original, never been done before thing,

1266
01:01:21,956 --> 01:01:24,396
Speaker 2: but it's like you're you like this, like this is

1267
01:01:24,476 --> 01:01:26,076
Speaker 2: jeans and a T shirt, Like this is.

1268
01:01:26,236 --> 01:01:28,116
Speaker 1: It has been done, so like I said, it was surprised,

1269
01:01:28,116 --> 01:01:29,756
Speaker 1: Like so it felt like it had been done much

1270
01:01:29,756 --> 01:01:32,156
Speaker 1: more than it hadn't hadn't. But the band thing, of course,

1271
01:01:32,356 --> 01:01:33,916
Speaker 1: has been done. But it also feels like the band

1272
01:01:33,956 --> 01:01:37,676
Speaker 1: thing is a bit of a it's like we're a

1273
01:01:37,716 --> 01:01:39,396
Speaker 1: little far away from it, you know, at this point,

1274
01:01:39,436 --> 01:01:40,756
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like if you.

1275
01:01:40,716 --> 01:01:43,916
Speaker 7: Want to be successful, don't start a band, Like no

1276
01:01:43,956 --> 01:01:47,796
Speaker 7: one would have probably recommended it, but good thing, we

1277
01:01:47,796 --> 01:01:51,116
Speaker 7: were doing it in total secret. You know, we didn't

1278
01:01:51,556 --> 01:01:54,276
Speaker 7: you know, tell any in one of the public We had,

1279
01:01:54,356 --> 01:01:57,476
Speaker 7: didn't tell our managers. We were very very private about

1280
01:01:57,476 --> 01:02:00,356
Speaker 7: the whole thing. And really the people that Phineas brought

1281
01:02:00,356 --> 01:02:04,796
Speaker 7: in to the secret was David and Ricky, you know,

1282
01:02:04,876 --> 01:02:05,996
Speaker 7: who became the.

1283
01:02:06,156 --> 01:02:06,716
Speaker 8: Part of it.

1284
01:02:06,916 --> 01:02:08,796
Speaker 9: Yeah, and it was so safe.

1285
01:02:08,876 --> 01:02:11,676
Speaker 2: And the other magic of a band name too, is

1286
01:02:11,716 --> 01:02:13,396
Speaker 2: it takes a little bit of the identity away in

1287
01:02:13,476 --> 01:02:16,236
Speaker 2: a fun way where you're like, oh, like, are you

1288
01:02:16,276 --> 01:02:18,196
Speaker 2: guys the Favors And you're like yes, and you're like,

1289
01:02:18,436 --> 01:02:21,596
Speaker 2: is are David and rat part of the Favors? You're like, yeah,

1290
01:02:21,636 --> 01:02:23,956
Speaker 2: Like it's a band, you know what I mean, Like

1291
01:02:23,556 --> 01:02:26,276
Speaker 2: the like it's sort of yeah, it's us on the cover,

1292
01:02:26,516 --> 01:02:28,836
Speaker 2: but it's like that's the fun part about a band

1293
01:02:28,876 --> 01:02:29,756
Speaker 2: in general, you know.

1294
01:02:30,156 --> 01:02:33,836
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, absolutely, The Hudson We've talked a lot about

1295
01:02:34,036 --> 01:02:38,156
Speaker 1: la kind of feel like geographically and you're in Nashville,

1296
01:02:38,156 --> 01:02:41,756
Speaker 1: and I feel like some of that was brought to bear.

1297
01:02:42,916 --> 01:02:46,116
Speaker 1: So The Hudson is a bit of a one of them.

1298
01:02:46,116 --> 01:02:47,876
Speaker 1: It's a gorgeous song on the album Love It.

1299
01:02:47,996 --> 01:02:49,476
Speaker 2: There's a lot of New York on this record. I

1300
01:02:49,476 --> 01:02:51,476
Speaker 2: mean Lake George is in New York. Times Square, Jesus

1301
01:02:51,556 --> 01:02:53,116
Speaker 2: is New York. Home Sweet Home is a bar on

1302
01:02:53,156 --> 01:02:54,996
Speaker 2: the Lower East Side, So it's a lot of New York.

1303
01:02:54,996 --> 01:02:56,236
Speaker 2: It's more New York than Lam.

1304
01:02:56,756 --> 01:03:00,676
Speaker 7: But it's interesting because we wrote them you know album

1305
01:03:00,756 --> 01:03:04,716
Speaker 7: and did it all and in La and it does

1306
01:03:04,876 --> 01:03:08,636
Speaker 7: have this very New York identity to it. And I

1307
01:03:08,676 --> 01:03:10,996
Speaker 7: think like Phineas and I both have a very like

1308
01:03:12,116 --> 01:03:16,756
Speaker 7: sweet and romantic, you know relationship with New York. Like

1309
01:03:17,996 --> 01:03:20,156
Speaker 7: my first trip to New York, I was like falling

1310
01:03:20,196 --> 01:03:23,836
Speaker 7: in love with a guy that was an alcoholic and like,

1311
01:03:24,116 --> 01:03:27,036
Speaker 7: oh my god, it was like not very good to.

1312
01:03:26,956 --> 01:03:29,796
Speaker 9: Me, and like and then that's it. The city became

1313
01:03:30,196 --> 01:03:31,236
Speaker 9: that for a while.

1314
01:03:31,276 --> 01:03:33,316
Speaker 7: And then I went with someone I was in a

1315
01:03:33,356 --> 01:03:35,916
Speaker 7: good relationship with and I loved, and it became you

1316
01:03:35,956 --> 01:03:38,636
Speaker 7: know so And I think similarly, you.

1317
01:03:38,676 --> 01:03:41,076
Speaker 2: Had told me that my school girlfriend moved away to

1318
01:03:41,156 --> 01:03:42,836
Speaker 2: New York to go to college, and so I had

1319
01:03:42,916 --> 01:03:47,196
Speaker 2: such a like young and immature feeling of like choosing

1320
01:03:47,476 --> 01:03:50,756
Speaker 2: this pert, you know, choosing this place over choosing like

1321
01:03:50,836 --> 01:03:54,556
Speaker 2: any semblance of a you know, relationship With me, I

1322
01:03:54,596 --> 01:03:56,116
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, you're moving away from your

1323
01:03:56,116 --> 01:03:58,036
Speaker 2: whole life and and me as part of it.

1324
01:03:58,516 --> 01:04:00,356
Speaker 9: And New York is your David's brother.

1325
01:04:00,516 --> 01:04:01,116
Speaker 8: Oh, I was like.

1326
01:04:01,116 --> 01:04:04,116
Speaker 2: Mad at New York, the city, mad at it, you know,

1327
01:04:04,476 --> 01:04:06,556
Speaker 2: And then I'd like go to New York in that

1328
01:04:06,676 --> 01:04:09,076
Speaker 2: chip on your shoulder way of like this isn't so special,

1329
01:04:10,036 --> 01:04:12,436
Speaker 2: you know which of course it is, dude, New York

1330
01:04:12,516 --> 01:04:15,476
Speaker 2: is the best. Yeah, but like, well the best is strong.

1331
01:04:15,836 --> 01:04:19,156
Speaker 8: It's amazing. It is an amazing city.

1332
01:04:19,356 --> 01:04:22,236
Speaker 2: And I think that, like again, it's a testament to

1333
01:04:22,316 --> 01:04:25,636
Speaker 2: like our relationships with people informing our relationships with places.

1334
01:04:25,796 --> 01:04:25,956
Speaker 4: You know.

1335
01:04:26,156 --> 01:04:29,036
Speaker 2: I mean, like Ash is my Nashville friend. Like I

1336
01:04:29,076 --> 01:04:31,036
Speaker 2: go to Nashville, Like, yeah, I get to see Ash.

1337
01:04:31,076 --> 01:04:33,276
Speaker 2: Like I don't know how I feel about Nashville. I

1338
01:04:33,316 --> 01:04:35,076
Speaker 2: just know I like the person that lives there, so

1339
01:04:35,116 --> 01:04:37,316
Speaker 2: I get to hang out with her. It's like, you know,

1340
01:04:37,476 --> 01:04:40,436
Speaker 2: these places are informed by your history with them. La

1341
01:04:40,876 --> 01:04:43,876
Speaker 2: for me, California for Ash, Like I grew up there.

1342
01:04:43,916 --> 01:04:46,676
Speaker 2: So it's like my whole life is informed the way

1343
01:04:46,716 --> 01:04:49,276
Speaker 2: I feel about LA. Yeah, you know, so it's easy

1344
01:04:49,316 --> 01:04:51,876
Speaker 2: to write about LA. It's where I've lived my whole life.

1345
01:04:51,956 --> 01:04:55,236
Speaker 8: But yeah, New York is a kind of a ghost story.

1346
01:04:55,716 --> 01:04:59,156
Speaker 1: And you were at least partially raised San Jose. Yeah, yeah,

1347
01:04:59,236 --> 01:05:00,036
Speaker 1: fully raised San.

1348
01:04:59,996 --> 01:05:03,476
Speaker 7: Jose, fully raised and mine times there till nineteen and

1349
01:05:03,516 --> 01:05:07,076
Speaker 7: then I went to college in Boston, so and then

1350
01:05:07,156 --> 01:05:09,036
Speaker 7: Nashville was my first like pit Stock.

1351
01:05:09,996 --> 01:05:11,516
Speaker 9: But after college, you.

1352
01:05:11,556 --> 01:05:13,556
Speaker 1: Still do you feel connected to San Jose.

1353
01:05:13,476 --> 01:05:17,196
Speaker 7: Still California nor you know, no, none of my family

1354
01:05:17,276 --> 01:05:22,756
Speaker 7: is there anymore. They all left and people divorced and

1355
01:05:23,156 --> 01:05:28,156
Speaker 7: family died, and you know, there's not like a sweetness

1356
01:05:28,236 --> 01:05:33,996
Speaker 7: to it anymore. La feels more like home in California,

1357
01:05:33,996 --> 01:05:38,356
Speaker 7: and now I live there for eight years. Yeah, so

1358
01:05:38,996 --> 01:05:42,476
Speaker 7: and my like two of my closest friends live here

1359
01:05:42,516 --> 01:05:46,876
Speaker 7: and there's Phineas and like, yeah, it's a different I

1360
01:05:46,916 --> 01:05:49,876
Speaker 7: have a different relationship with La now than the old home.

1361
01:05:50,276 --> 01:05:52,076
Speaker 2: But also I mean an album, there's kind of like

1362
01:05:52,116 --> 01:05:55,436
Speaker 2: the three there's like the three places that you just

1363
01:05:55,516 --> 01:05:56,876
Speaker 2: keep having to go to, Like we had to go

1364
01:05:56,916 --> 01:05:58,476
Speaker 2: to New York and do a bunch of Romo, which

1365
01:05:58,556 --> 01:06:00,316
Speaker 2: is fun, but like somewhere you have to go to

1366
01:06:01,396 --> 01:06:04,036
Speaker 2: go to, like London, which we just did too. There's

1367
01:06:04,116 --> 01:06:07,276
Speaker 2: like it is it is like there's no right place

1368
01:06:07,276 --> 01:06:09,276
Speaker 2: to live when you're making an album because you to

1369
01:06:09,316 --> 01:06:10,036
Speaker 2: go to the other place.

1370
01:06:10,116 --> 01:06:11,516
Speaker 9: Don't have to go to Nashville.

1371
01:06:13,036 --> 01:06:14,796
Speaker 2: I guess if you're not making a country record, you

1372
01:06:14,876 --> 01:06:17,316
Speaker 2: kind of don't go to Nashville. But it's the same

1373
01:06:17,356 --> 01:06:19,476
Speaker 2: Dell Or You're you're always kind of pulled off to

1374
01:06:19,476 --> 01:06:20,236
Speaker 2: do some other thing.

1375
01:06:20,356 --> 01:06:23,316
Speaker 7: But you know, all the storytellers in Nashville like want

1376
01:06:23,476 --> 01:06:24,596
Speaker 7: us there, Like.

1377
01:06:24,596 --> 01:06:26,556
Speaker 8: We should go. Yeah, at some point.

1378
01:06:26,756 --> 01:06:28,436
Speaker 1: I want to ask about one more song and then

1379
01:06:28,476 --> 01:06:30,676
Speaker 1: and then I want to ask you guys to play

1380
01:06:31,116 --> 01:06:31,596
Speaker 1: the Hudson.

1381
01:06:31,636 --> 01:06:31,996
Speaker 8: That's right.

1382
01:06:32,036 --> 01:06:36,036
Speaker 1: I am ordinary people. It's an outlier on the records.

1383
01:06:36,116 --> 01:06:38,956
Speaker 1: Or and you guys went full jazz, which was like awesome.

1384
01:06:39,036 --> 01:06:43,836
Speaker 7: I loved it the first song, like I you brought

1385
01:06:43,916 --> 01:06:45,836
Speaker 7: in this and I brought on the Hudson.

1386
01:06:45,916 --> 01:06:47,276
Speaker 9: But we sat on your.

1387
01:06:47,236 --> 01:06:52,036
Speaker 2: Couch and wrote ordinary people in like now like my memories,

1388
01:06:52,076 --> 01:06:54,356
Speaker 2: Like we sat on the couch writing ordinary people. Wall

1389
01:06:54,396 --> 01:06:58,396
Speaker 2: Claudia like put on her Halloween costume. Wow, before we

1390
01:06:58,476 --> 01:06:59,436
Speaker 2: going to a Halloween party.

1391
01:06:59,636 --> 01:07:02,956
Speaker 9: Yeah, baking in olive cake for us or something.

1392
01:07:04,996 --> 01:07:06,436
Speaker 1: That sounds like the scene of the song.

1393
01:07:06,476 --> 01:07:08,596
Speaker 2: But I mean that was the part about making the

1394
01:07:08,596 --> 01:07:11,756
Speaker 2: whole record was it was little vignette after little vignette

1395
01:07:11,756 --> 01:07:12,236
Speaker 2: of like.

1396
01:07:12,476 --> 01:07:14,516
Speaker 8: Oh, let's all go sit by the pool, and.

1397
01:07:15,556 --> 01:07:18,556
Speaker 2: Like, you know, it had a real kind of atmosphere,

1398
01:07:18,556 --> 01:07:20,996
Speaker 2: which I liked because sometimes like the thing that has

1399
01:07:21,076 --> 01:07:24,916
Speaker 2: kept me out of traditional music studios, it's like, yes,

1400
01:07:25,036 --> 01:07:27,956
Speaker 2: there is an atmosphere, of course, but like it is,

1401
01:07:28,356 --> 01:07:31,316
Speaker 2: it is different from real life, and I like the

1402
01:07:31,396 --> 01:07:34,076
Speaker 2: atmosphere of like, yeah, we're my dog is in the

1403
01:07:34,116 --> 01:07:35,756
Speaker 2: living room with me, and I'm kind of on the

1404
01:07:35,756 --> 01:07:38,876
Speaker 2: couch thinking about that and getting my head straight. So yeah,

1405
01:07:38,876 --> 01:07:41,036
Speaker 2: the jazz song, I think, was like what if we

1406
01:07:41,076 --> 01:07:44,316
Speaker 2: wrote a little jazz song and then kind of did

1407
01:07:44,356 --> 01:07:48,836
Speaker 2: that cal in response like maybe it's cold outside thing and.

1408
01:07:49,276 --> 01:07:50,596
Speaker 1: Yeah, you crack up during.

1409
01:07:52,356 --> 01:07:56,996
Speaker 2: On mike, which was fun, and it was a live take. Yeah,

1410
01:07:56,996 --> 01:07:58,476
Speaker 2: and then we re recorded it and I was like, no,

1411
01:07:58,636 --> 01:08:00,516
Speaker 2: the live take is so great. Just put out the

1412
01:08:00,516 --> 01:08:03,156
Speaker 2: live take. But yeah, I mean that I think that

1413
01:08:03,156 --> 01:08:06,276
Speaker 2: that song, which is totally an outlier, is sort of

1414
01:08:06,556 --> 01:08:10,716
Speaker 2: a like this can be whatever we want and the

1415
01:08:11,236 --> 01:08:14,636
Speaker 2: only thing that we're trying to care about is quality control. Right,

1416
01:08:14,676 --> 01:08:17,156
Speaker 2: if we'd written a really bad jazz song, we'd be like,

1417
01:08:17,156 --> 01:08:19,756
Speaker 2: all right, well we'll cut that, fine, we'll put that,

1418
01:08:19,756 --> 01:08:21,196
Speaker 2: we'll take that off. But it was just kind of

1419
01:08:21,236 --> 01:08:23,596
Speaker 2: had like a joy to it that. I was like,

1420
01:08:23,636 --> 01:08:24,396
Speaker 2: this is cute and.

1421
01:08:24,356 --> 01:08:25,676
Speaker 9: Kind of literally giggle.

1422
01:08:25,836 --> 01:08:28,556
Speaker 2: It's kind of a bite of ginger, you know, it's like, oh,

1423
01:08:28,596 --> 01:08:31,396
Speaker 2: it's a little palate cleanser in the middle of this record.

1424
01:08:31,436 --> 01:08:33,996
Speaker 2: That's pretty Like that's not a heartbreaking song at all.

1425
01:08:34,076 --> 01:08:38,076
Speaker 2: That's a very sweet, lovey, dovey, super sweet song. Yeah,

1426
01:08:38,436 --> 01:08:39,996
Speaker 2: what's that line of like you say we're no good

1427
01:08:39,996 --> 01:08:42,316
Speaker 2: for each other, you're too selfish for a lover, which

1428
01:08:42,356 --> 01:08:45,236
Speaker 2: I think is so funny. And oh and then uh,

1429
01:08:45,316 --> 01:08:47,156
Speaker 2: don't worry, I'll be early. I'm not ready.

1430
01:08:47,276 --> 01:08:49,476
Speaker 8: It's cute too, but I'll wait. Yeah, I'll just wait.

1431
01:08:50,476 --> 01:08:51,276
Speaker 8: But I don't know.

1432
01:08:51,316 --> 01:08:54,356
Speaker 2: It was just like a really cute like that again,

1433
01:08:54,476 --> 01:08:57,996
Speaker 2: Like so in that fictional vein of like these are

1434
01:08:58,116 --> 01:09:00,596
Speaker 2: like who are these characters and what are these moments?

1435
01:09:00,636 --> 01:09:05,236
Speaker 2: And how do we build this kind of you know aesthetically.

1436
01:09:04,556 --> 01:09:06,636
Speaker 1: I want, I wanted. It made me. I fell in

1437
01:09:06,676 --> 01:09:07,636
Speaker 1: love with those characters.

1438
01:09:07,636 --> 01:09:12,476
Speaker 9: Cool, I'm not you know, I love them. Yeah, I

1439
01:09:12,476 --> 01:09:14,316
Speaker 9: think they're really special.

1440
01:09:15,516 --> 01:09:18,996
Speaker 1: There's a there's a a lyric on the Hudson she

1441
01:09:19,076 --> 01:09:21,436
Speaker 1: want to ask you guys to play that like to me,

1442
01:09:21,756 --> 01:09:24,236
Speaker 1: like just I didn't hear it the first couple of

1443
01:09:24,236 --> 01:09:25,836
Speaker 1: times I listened, but there's like, you know, after a

1444
01:09:25,876 --> 01:09:29,356
Speaker 1: handful of times, I don't know what I believe. Have

1445
01:09:29,516 --> 01:09:33,196
Speaker 1: faith in me? Or I don't know what I believe

1446
01:09:33,276 --> 01:09:33,916
Speaker 1: have faith in me.

1447
01:09:34,356 --> 01:09:35,836
Speaker 8: I put my trust only truth.

1448
01:09:36,076 --> 01:09:37,716
Speaker 1: The only truth I know is you, the only truth

1449
01:09:37,756 --> 01:09:38,156
Speaker 1: I knows You.

1450
01:09:38,516 --> 01:09:41,716
Speaker 8: Great Ash line man, that that's you. Yeah, the whole

1451
01:09:41,836 --> 01:09:43,236
Speaker 8: song is Ash. It's so great.

1452
01:09:43,316 --> 01:09:46,756
Speaker 7: Well second versus a Phineas but the you know, my

1453
01:09:46,876 --> 01:09:50,396
Speaker 7: couplet on the balcony, I catch a I gave you

1454
01:09:50,836 --> 01:09:52,956
Speaker 7: my coat to sit on the balcony. I'd catch a

1455
01:09:52,996 --> 01:09:56,076
Speaker 7: cold if it keeps you. That's not the most Phineas

1456
01:09:56,316 --> 01:09:57,716
Speaker 7: ass lyric.

1457
01:09:57,876 --> 01:10:01,996
Speaker 8: It's a great line too, but such such great lyrics.

1458
01:10:02,076 --> 01:10:06,036
Speaker 7: Yeah, I like heard a joke, not joke.

1459
01:10:06,316 --> 01:10:10,556
Speaker 9: That's like every great song is a worship song. And

1460
01:10:10,556 --> 01:10:11,436
Speaker 9: I was like whoa.

1461
01:10:12,076 --> 01:10:14,276
Speaker 7: And then they were like kind of talking about the

1462
01:10:14,356 --> 01:10:16,556
Speaker 7: Hudson in that context, and I was like, oh shit,

1463
01:10:17,036 --> 01:10:19,716
Speaker 7: we do say I don't know what I believe.

1464
01:10:20,036 --> 01:10:21,996
Speaker 9: Please have faith in me. The only truth I.

1465
01:10:21,956 --> 01:10:22,276
Speaker 3: Know is you.

1466
01:10:22,636 --> 01:10:24,196
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's kind of religious.

1467
01:10:24,516 --> 01:10:30,596
Speaker 9: Could sing it in church maybe, yeah, sure, But yeah.

1468
01:10:30,156 --> 01:10:31,756
Speaker 8: That was like the one of the first lines as

1469
01:10:31,836 --> 01:10:33,036
Speaker 8: played for me was like the like.

1470
01:10:33,276 --> 01:10:36,156
Speaker 3: The trees were bearing naked and so we.

1471
01:10:36,516 --> 01:10:39,356
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, that's such a like that

1472
01:10:39,476 --> 01:10:41,756
Speaker 2: has so much feeling to me in it and it

1473
01:10:41,836 --> 01:10:43,116
Speaker 2: kind of comes out of nowhere, which.

1474
01:10:42,996 --> 01:10:43,636
Speaker 8: I really liked.

1475
01:10:43,916 --> 01:10:47,196
Speaker 7: Two old strangers sharing really personal things. I was like,

1476
01:10:47,636 --> 01:10:49,756
Speaker 7: I'm a good Songwriter's that.

1477
01:10:50,276 --> 01:10:51,276
Speaker 9: I was really proud of that one.

1478
01:10:51,316 --> 01:10:53,836
Speaker 8: That's a great yeah on your Paul Simon. Shit, it's

1479
01:10:53,836 --> 01:10:54,636
Speaker 8: awesome that you know.

1480
01:10:54,796 --> 01:10:57,956
Speaker 1: That made me think of still crazy after all these years.

1481
01:10:58,596 --> 01:11:00,156
Speaker 1: You know, I saw an old love on the street.

1482
01:11:00,756 --> 01:11:04,116
Speaker 1: You know, it's like insane, you know, but I mean

1483
01:11:04,236 --> 01:11:06,276
Speaker 1: obviously wasn't like but it's just was like, oh my gosh,

1484
01:11:06,276 --> 01:11:09,916
Speaker 1: this is this is really there's just yeah, amazing stuff.

1485
01:11:10,276 --> 01:11:10,636
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1486
01:11:10,796 --> 01:11:12,716
Speaker 8: Should we close it out with the song, it'd be great.

1487
01:11:12,956 --> 01:11:13,716
Speaker 8: Let's do it great.

1488
01:11:14,316 --> 01:11:23,716
Speaker 6: Thanks you will lay for the last train home. We

1489
01:11:23,796 --> 01:11:31,596
Speaker 6: had away losing track of time. The trees were bare

1490
01:11:31,716 --> 01:11:39,516
Speaker 6: and they get and so we too, old strangers sharing

1491
01:11:39,636 --> 01:11:41,996
Speaker 6: really purse and all things.

1492
01:11:44,396 --> 01:11:51,836
Speaker 3: Lost. The sun is send on the Hudson. He touched

1493
01:11:51,916 --> 01:11:53,716
Speaker 3: my head and kissed you.

1494
01:11:54,036 --> 01:11:54,356
Speaker 1: Then.

1495
01:11:58,116 --> 01:12:03,076
Speaker 5: Said you forgot how good I found on your lambs.

1496
01:12:05,396 --> 01:12:06,436
Speaker 3: I thank god.

1497
01:12:06,476 --> 01:12:07,956
Speaker 9: I hope you man.

1498
01:12:12,476 --> 01:12:18,556
Speaker 4: I don't know where I belong Iho n Noney's gone.

1499
01:12:19,516 --> 01:12:21,236
Speaker 4: I've got nothing bad.

1500
01:12:26,836 --> 01:12:32,596
Speaker 3: I don't know what I believe. Please have faith in me.

1501
01:12:33,756 --> 01:12:36,196
Speaker 4: You only truth I know is you.

1502
01:12:40,716 --> 01:12:48,876
Speaker 3: Took my com Sit on the balcony. The cats are cold.

1503
01:12:49,116 --> 01:12:50,916
Speaker 3: If it keeps you all.

1504
01:12:54,836 --> 01:13:01,916
Speaker 7: Lake was frogs in and so will we.

1505
01:13:01,916 --> 01:13:06,356
Speaker 3: We won't know. We won't make it to screaking.

1506
01:13:09,156 --> 01:13:15,196
Speaker 5: I don't know where along ohout even known as gone.

1507
01:13:16,036 --> 01:13:25,436
Speaker 5: I've got nothing bad. I don't know would I believe?

1508
01:13:26,516 --> 01:13:31,076
Speaker 5: Please have faith in me. You'll meet choose?

1509
01:13:31,156 --> 01:13:39,396
Speaker 3: I know issue, It's me back here year from now.

1510
01:13:40,356 --> 01:13:44,996
Speaker 3: Maybe then it works out. I'm trying not to think

1511
01:13:45,196 --> 01:13:54,716
Speaker 3: value and you a calm December and come the storm.

1512
01:13:54,076 --> 01:13:59,556
Speaker 5: Fall back into my house, walk the hadsome back to.

1513
01:14:04,556 --> 01:14:10,036
Speaker 5: I don't know where all belong about hell, the known

1514
01:14:10,196 --> 01:14:10,716
Speaker 5: is gone.

1515
01:14:11,556 --> 01:14:20,956
Speaker 3: I've got nothing my you. I don't know what I believe.

1516
01:14:21,996 --> 01:14:27,116
Speaker 3: Please have faceing. The only choose I know?

1517
01:14:27,516 --> 01:14:33,756
Speaker 4: Is you? The only choose?

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