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Speaker 2: Welcome back. I'm Dale Away. He is Matt Williamson, and

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Speaker 2: this is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 3: And Matt, you're talking about that defensive line room in

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Speaker 3: the previous segment there at the end, and I wanted

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Speaker 3: to I wanted to get a little deeper into that

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Speaker 3: one because I think that's, to me, might be the

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Speaker 3: spot that the Steelers.

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Speaker 2: Have the most depth at.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. He might be right, I mean, especially if you

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Speaker 1: think of it as there's really two starting jobs, right

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Speaker 1: and at times there's three. Yes, I know there are three, four,

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Speaker 1: but more often than not there's two. D Lineman, you're

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Speaker 1: not talking about the T. J.

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Speaker 2: Watt edge guys, No, No, I'm talking about the three

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Speaker 2: hundred pounders.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I love where that room is right now.

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Speaker 1: And Frankly cam Aside, they need to get more out

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Speaker 1: of that room. I mean, their run defense was way

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Speaker 1: better last year than it was two years ago. They

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Speaker 1: were good at getting guys, they tackled really well, they

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Speaker 1: didn't get blown off the ball, they didn't allow big runs.

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Speaker 1: But a lot of this is what related. Their pass

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Speaker 1: rush pressure wasn't as good as it's been the last

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Speaker 1: few years. And of course a TJ changes that a

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Speaker 1: great deal. But Ogunjobi needs to get you five sacks,

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Speaker 1: you know, Leeal needs to get three. You know, maybe

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Speaker 1: Benton shows a lot of promise mentioned Yeah.

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Speaker 3: In previous years they've usually keep six, sometimes seven, three

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Speaker 3: hundred pounders on the defensive line. So Larry Larry, Ogunjobi,

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Speaker 3: Cam Heyward are making it. Yes, Keanu Benton, a second

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Speaker 3: round draft pick, is making it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Lee Al's making it.

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Speaker 3: Leal's gonna make it. He was a third round pick

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Speaker 3: last year. That's four already. Then you cant Bradon for Hoko.

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Speaker 2: You got Montravius Adams, who's your returning starter at nose tackle.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: You got Isaiah louder Milk, who's a fifth round pick

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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty one. As you said, this is a

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Speaker 3: career crossroads for him. They signed armand Watts as well

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Speaker 3: as Fajko for Hoko.

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Speaker 1: I should say easy forget, but he's an NFL player.

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Speaker 2: He's an NFL player, yeah, warmly type.

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Speaker 3: You know, you got Jonathan Marshall, who you signed late

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Speaker 3: last year. Who's been an NFL dude.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's been around.

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Speaker 3: You got Manny Jones. I mean they got there. There's

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Speaker 2: What is that? That's six nine?

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Speaker 3: They got ten, ten guys basically who have NFL experience

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Speaker 3: for six or seven spots.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I would pretty much promise eight or nine

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Speaker 1: of those guys will be employed in the NFL next somewhere. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, they're not keeping eight or nine.

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Speaker 1: So a couple of notes on that is, Adams and

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Speaker 1: louder Milk to me are the ones that should be

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Speaker 1: most worried, you know, just considering the off season moves.

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Speaker 1: You're not gonna keep three nose ish guys. And I

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Speaker 1: don't think Benton's a pure nose, but Fojoko is, Adams is.

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Speaker 3: And the interesting thing is for Hooko and Adams are

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Speaker 3: completely different kinds of they are. But Hoko's your classic

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Speaker 3: run stuffer, whereas Adams is more your penetrator.

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Speaker 1: Lebau are liked Fojko better correct.

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Speaker 3: So it you know, it comes down to and and Adams,

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Speaker 2: Penetrator, he's not Yvonne Hargrave.

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Speaker 1: That's the problem.

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Speaker 2: That's the problem like that.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's not like he gets blown off the ball,

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Speaker 1: the other one they plucked off the waiver wire. Whenever,

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Speaker 1: you know, times were tight, they brought him back.

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Speaker 2: I also say this, Matt.

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Speaker 3: When I was I had a conversation with Carl Dunbar,

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Speaker 2: Some nose tackle as well. Really, okay, so you know he.

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Speaker 1: So you know, there's a difference between nose tackle and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, So if it's third and one and he

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Speaker 1: I mean you're taking them and you're getting double team

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Speaker 1: Right, you need one of those guys. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: he wasn't signed by accident. You don't need to invest

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, but he's gonna get plenty

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's that's a position of extreme depth.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that I could definitely see somebody going, you know,

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Speaker 2: We could really use an armam Watts.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, are you are you sold on having Armaan Watson

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Speaker 1: First traded for Malie Greed. Well, when you trade it

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Speaker 1: I don't want to count on a rookie. This guy's

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Speaker 1: I've graded on him and he's fine. I mean, he's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you're not gonna You're not trading Leal, You're

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Speaker 3: not trading Benton. You're not trading guys like that. Those

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Speaker 3: get anything for a Jonathan Marshall, but guys like that

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Speaker 3: If you if you think it's gonna if it's let's say,

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Speaker 1: That's kind of back to the last year's last segment.

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Speaker 1: You know, if louder Milk does shine, it still doesn't

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Speaker 2: Right then you then you might have to move one

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, which is the best problem to have in

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Speaker 2: Oh, without a doubt, that's a doubt. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: What was I gonna say on that matter? Well, I

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Speaker 1: the immediate backups, but line two for your true d tackles,

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Speaker 1: they usually keep six, but they'll keep seven. And I

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Speaker 1: bet that's the case, you know, injuries aside or whatever. However,

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Speaker 1: or when you keep seven, obviously you have to short

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Speaker 1: to learn that. But none of those people we mentioned

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Speaker 3: when you start looking at that defensive back room, right,

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Speaker 3: Do you do you have ten defensive backs? If you try,

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Speaker 1: And again, those guys all do help on teams. I

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Speaker 3: The thing, the thing becomes, okay, if if you keep

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Speaker 3: Right, So I mean that's when you when you're when

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Speaker 1: That's not usually how it works. And as you know,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna keep three quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: And they will keep three quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yep, so that goes crowded. Quick, start doing the math.

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Speaker 2: What are you counting Hayward? Yeah, what do you count Hayward?

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Speaker 2: That's the that's the question there.

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Speaker 3: A guy like that's why a guy like Hayward has

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Speaker 1: To Danny Smith and the offense.

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Speaker 3: And the off He's going to be a core special

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Speaker 3: teams player, you know it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's making the team.

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Speaker 2: He can line up and be a tight end.

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Speaker 3: You can put him in the backfield and get and

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Speaker 1: Strikes he could get ten carries.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just to get you out of a game.

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Speaker 3: He can be your blocking full but he could do

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Speaker 3: And again, so if you're gonna keep seven defensive linemen

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Speaker 3: Sorry, yeah, I mean that's why when you when you

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Speaker 3: So you know, if if all of a sudden, mus

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Speaker 1: And right now I think they're penned in to be

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Speaker 3: All of a sudden that you know, now you start, okay,

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Speaker 1: I mean you need to give Danny five maybe six

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Speaker 2: That's the thing.

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Speaker 3: I mean, j Warren Jalen Warren does play teams, Yeah

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Speaker 2: You want him playing?

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Speaker 3: No, do you want him? Do you want him taking

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Speaker 1: Back, a position we haven't mentioned that really favors. Boykin

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Speaker 1: And the Steelers stressed that more than many teams.

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Speaker 3: And again, so let's say you're keeping seven defensive linemen

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Speaker 1: Right, You're not keeping Green and Dotson and herbig and

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Speaker 2: You know, it gets more tackles.

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Speaker 2: They don't play any teams.

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Speaker 3: Well, they play, I mean, they're out there on field

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Speaker 2: We're not allowed to build a wedge anymore.

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Speaker 1: It might be tougher to be a Mattic Kaevitch now

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's definitely tougher for those guys to make it.

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Speaker 3: Then you need to it better be you know, Calvin

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Speaker 2: You just gave it back.

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Speaker 3: People have talked and that when people have complained in

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Speaker 1: You don't want to keep Gunner just for that reason.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, we'll give you six opportunities in three preseason games.

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Speaker 2: It's a different, different thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it's real easy to sit there and be like,

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Speaker 2: That's the way this works over.

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Speaker 3: You got to replace some of those snaps, and then

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Speaker 3: you have to figure out who's going to do that.

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Speaker 3: Is it Nick herbrig You would think so, you'd like

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Speaker 3: to think so.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: As a track wreck, you know, is it Joey Porter Junior?

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Speaker 3: Is that how he gets his feet wet? You know,

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Speaker 3: there's a lot to look.

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Speaker 1: At here, my hunts he's never done it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, probably hasn't done a lot. But you know, I

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Speaker 2: I do. I know.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: I've had this conversation with Mike Tomlin before about and

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Speaker 3: Danny Smith as well. If you are a if you're

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Speaker 3: a good defensive player, you can typically that usually carries

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Speaker 3: over to special teams.

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Speaker 1: It's not the other way around. Like, boy, I'm really

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Speaker 1: good down on punts, So doesn't mean you can cover,

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Speaker 1: you know, Jamar Chase.

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Speaker 3: But if you're able to sift, you're able to sift

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Speaker 3: through the mess and get to the ball carrier. That

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Speaker 3: usually translates, Okay, this guy's gonna be a pretty good

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Speaker 3: defensive player.

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Speaker 1: If you want to. If you buy in, yeah, which

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Speaker 1: or you're in trouble.

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Speaker 3: But you know, for I go, is Marcus Golden going

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Speaker 3: to play into the special team snap for them this year?

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Speaker 2: Not a ton?

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Speaker 1: Maybe none? Yeah, I mean core four. I mean maybe

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Speaker 1: he won't be one of the core five guys or

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Speaker 1: so no.

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Speaker 3: So you you gotta identify who those guys are almost

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Speaker 3: and work your way out from that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when you're building, you're building your depth.

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Speaker 1: I tell people this all the time. When you watch

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Speaker 1: these three preseason games, and we'll bring it up again,

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Speaker 1: and you know when we're in Latrobe, of course, but

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Speaker 1: if if some do, look who's on the number one

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Speaker 1: punt team, those guys are probably making the team. That's

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Speaker 1: the hardest of the phases. If you're a personal protector

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Speaker 1: or a gunner on the number one punt team, you're

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Speaker 1: you're doing something right. You know you're in the driver's seat.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, we're gonna take another break. He as Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 3: I am Dale, Lolly. You're listening to the drive here

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Speaker 3: on Steelers Nation Radio. We've been getting you ready for

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Speaker 3: training camp twenty twenty three when we come back. Time

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Speaker 3: for another fantasy football draft mat. We're picking from the

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Speaker 3: three hole today, all right, Like this should be a

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Speaker 3: little interesting here. I would assume we're going to have

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Speaker 3: to make a different pick than what we've gone here

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Speaker 3: the last couple of times.

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Speaker 2: We'll see, but.

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Speaker 1: I think four will be harder than three.

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Speaker 2: We'll see, we'll see.

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Speaker 3: That's why we do these little exercises. But we'll be

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Speaker 3: back on a drive right after this.