WEBVTT - Let's Be Enamored...with Katherine Heigl 0:00:02.520 --> 0:00:07.560 This is Let's Be Clear with Shannon Doherty. Hi everyone, 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:09.879 welcome to a new episode of Let's Be Clear with 0:00:09.920 --> 0:00:13.440 Shita and Doherty. I am over the moon right now 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:16.000 because I have somebody that I have admired for a 0:00:16.000 --> 0:00:21.080 long time. Catherine Heigel, Like you guys know her twenty 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:27.200 seven dresses, knocked up like Grey's Anatomy, Barflying Lane. Just 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:33.280 her resume is insane, Hi, Kathy, but also she's insane. 0:00:33.440 --> 0:00:36.760 She's definitely well, I should just say it to your face. 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:39.839 You're someone that I have definitely looked up to, and 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:45.080 I admire your strength. I admire you know, your perseverance 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:50.800 as a woman as an actor. You just the amount 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:54.800 of self respect you have and the caring you have 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:58.400 for you know, your other actors, like now as a 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:02.640 producer and really watching out for women is astonishing to me. 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:05.960 Oh my god. Well, I didn't know I was coming 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:09.800 in for this kind of intro. I'm very uh, I'm 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:13.840 feeling very very good about myself at this good. That 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:17.720 was so nice and means means what it means a lot. 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:18.280 Thank you. 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:22.920 Yeah. Well, I mean listen, I had gone I sort 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:29.800 of there's a lot of similarities between us that aren't 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:33.320 instantly recognizable to a lot of people. But like when 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:36.720 I really looked at you and broke everything down, and 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:39.399 you know, I was like the biggest Grays fan and 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:42.520 Izzy and I was like, oh my god, we're really 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:45.440 getting Catherine on the show. I just sort of looked 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:49.440 at it and went, wow, there were there were only 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:54.440 a few women back then that stood up for themselves. 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:58.600 Well you were the original, right, Yeah, yeah, you know. 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:03.640 I mean I got fired for it multiple times. You know, 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:06.640 you just you kept going and it was really impressive. 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:12.760 I mean, I don't know any person except for you 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:14.680 that turns down an Immy nomination. 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:18.200 Well I didn't, and everybody keeps saying that I didn't 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:20.639 turn it down. You know, you have to submit yourself. 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:23.120 You have to submit your work and then they deliberate 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:25.520 and then they decide if they want to give you 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:29.040 a nomination. I just didn't submit my work that year. 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:31.440 And I should you know, I don't know. My mother 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:33.120 and I were talking about this recently. I should have 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:36.359 said nothing. I should have said nothing. I should have 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:39.400 just said oh I forgot, because it created such a 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:44.000 maelstrom that was so unnecessary, and it really was. Yeah, 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:45.280 I was kind of trying to make a bit of 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:47.960 a snarky point about my material that year, but I 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:51.440 was also just not feeling my material. I didn't think 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:58.320 I had anything that warranted even the consideration for a nomination. 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:01.760 I just wasn't proud of my work. So it was really, 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:05.480 you know, I would never be so bold or so 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:11.200 arrogant to turn down a nomination. I would take that nomination. 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:16.480 I became my way. I'd be down, but I just knew, 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:21.040 you know, there wasn't anything that would really warrant one 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:24.400 that year, and I was trying to be honorable. I 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:26.799 guess I was trying to have some integrity. I wasn't 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:27.640 trying to be a dick. 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:31.840 But you know what's funny is that had it been 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:36.400 obviously a guy, they would have said like, oh, look 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:41.040 at how honorable he is, like and instead because you're 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:44.800 a woman, and you know, certainly back then it was 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:48.200 a lot different than it is now. Although I'm the 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:50.920 naysayer who's like, we haven't really changed that much in 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:52.480 the business, you guys, not a ton. 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:55.640 It's just a little more subversive now. 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:59.040 It's a little more Yes, yes, they like to be 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:01.800 a little bit more quiet about it. Of how you know, 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:04.520 the men still really lead the charge and women have 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:07.800 a role to play. And yes, there are brave women 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:12.960 like you that have bucked against that and said, not 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:16.360 even trying to be you know, arroant, which they want 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:18.960 to call you, not trying to be difficult do they 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:20.839 want to call you? I've been called all of these 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:24.680 things as well. I get that, but it's it's none 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:26.479 of that. It's the fact that you're just trying to 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:30.599 be truthful to yourself right and hold yourself to a 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:31.440 certain standards. 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:34.799 Yeah, it was always about that, and I'm very fortunate 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:38.320 I have my mother who has always been, you know, 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:41.680 my biggest support system and also my partner in all 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:45.880 of this. We are, you know, business partners, and so 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:48.600 I always had another strong woman who kind of had 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:52.480 my back and like somebody to bounce it off of. 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:55.599 And sometimes we would rile each other up, no doubt, 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:58.080 but most of the time it was like I just 0:04:58.240 --> 0:04:59.920 felt like the right thing to do and the right 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:04.640 thing to say, and she was like, yeah, I got you, 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:07.400 You're right, you know. And so I don't know that 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:12.400 I would have been quite so forthright without the support, 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:14.200 you know, I would have been more afraid. I think, 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:17.760 but I don't know. It's shamed me for a long time. 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:21.920 I spent probably, I want to say, like all of 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:24.800 my mid thirties, oh like from thirty five to forty, 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:28.640 I spent just trying to be as quiet and as 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:36.080 polite and as sweet and as just kind of disappearing 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:39.200 as much as possible, and it still didn't work. So 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:41.720 then I, I don't know, I hit forty and I 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:46.200 went fuck this. But life is really too short, and 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:49.760 you know, I, like you said, I just want to 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:52.280 I just want to be true to myself. I'm not 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:57.480 trying to make I never never go out there with 0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:00.960 the intention of ever making anybody else feel bad or 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:05.040 to bully them, or to upset them or hurt feelings. 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:10.520 That's so outside my intention. I'm sure I have on 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:16.400 occasion by mistake or accident, but I will. I don't 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:23.039 like being bullied either, and I don't have a very 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:28.000 sort of calm, political rational reaction to that. I tend 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:30.960 to I tend to get out my boxing gloves. 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:36.359 So yeah, I mean, I completely understand that. And again 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:41.480 I applaud you for it, because you know, like I was, 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:45.080 I think I was freshly fired off of charmed when 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:49.680 like Grays started and I watched it, and obviously I 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:52.560 was a big fan of the show. But then with 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:57.279 you and your character, there is such a vulnerability to 0:06:57.400 --> 0:07:00.240 Izzy that you brought to that character, but also like 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:05.200 a strength to her that was very that I think women, 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:12.760 particularly young younger women needed that role to like see 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:15.320 and to really understand what you could do. And then 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:18.840 it wasn't about like sleeping your way somewhere, you know, 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:24.040 it was about her determination in her life, all done 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:28.600 in this you know, very funny way. There was just 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:32.400 such a humor about you on that show along with 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:36.679 the vulnerability that was like wow, you know, that's great, 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:38.840 Like what a character to have during that time. 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:43.400 Yeah, she was great. And I think that, you know, 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:46.880 so much of that is attributed to to Shonda and 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:50.920 her creation of these characters. So much of it is 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:53.760 attributed to the sort of lightning in a bottle of 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:58.680 that cast together at that time, which again was kind 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:02.720 of Shonda, you know, figuring out this. Some of it 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:05.440 is you can't know, you don't know how it's going 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:07.480 to quite kind of come together and how it's going 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:10.440 to work, but it just did. And then as I 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:13.320 think the writers got to know us more individually, like 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:18.960 Izzy sort of that's who I was at that age. 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:20.800 I mean I was twenty four, I think when the 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:27.559 show started, and I was thirty two maybe or thirty 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:32.079 one when I left. I was Izzy. You know, I 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:36.160 was really insecure. I was, but also I still had 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:37.880 that fight in me. I still didn't like it when 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:42.640 people kind of pushed me around or told me I 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:45.320 couldn't or told me I shouldn't or told me, you 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:47.080 know that I wouldn't be able to kind of think 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:52.200 I so a lot of who she was. And it 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:55.320 was funny because I wouldn't have said that at the time, 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:59.520 but now looking back at her, I think, you know, 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:04.000 that was that was kind of who I was. Then. 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:08.600 There was a lot of just young woman in security, 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:11.559 you know, just not really knowing if I had a 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:14.880 right to like take up space. 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:19.080 But also conviction, Like there just seemed to me with 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:21.920 you and your character that there was a lot of 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:27.000 conviction in being truthful and in doing what you know, 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:30.720 you really felt was right, whether it be cutting that 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:33.400 bad there you. 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:36.240 Go, Juriel bad. I will never not know that word. 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:39.440 But like that was, you know, for your character, that 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:42.480 was a huge thing and it really showed like your 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:45.200 love for this man and your conviction for what you 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:48.200 believed to be the right thing, which I always sort 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:51.079 of paralleled to you as a human of like, wow, 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:54.760 you know, Catherine's gonna stand up for what she really 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:59.560 believes is right, which, again, particularly for back then, that 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:02.240 was like a very big thing. And on an ensemble 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:05.680 cast for a show that sort of came out huge 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:10.440 right away, it was incredibly popular. I just you know 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:13.240 that that could not have been easy for you. 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:18.000 I think it was. It was easy until it wasn't, 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:22.920 you know, because there was a moment when it sort 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:25.080 of depended on what I was standing up for, right 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:27.120 So when I was sort of standing up for my 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:30.880 co star and you know, coming out against bigotry and 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:35.439 that sort of thing, it was, you know, applauded and appreciated. 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:40.640 When I stood for myself, it wasn't quite taken quite 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:44.160 the same way. And so then it stopped being easy 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:49.719 to be to do that, to speak my truth. Then 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:52.439 I then I just ship hell up as much as 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:56.040 I could for a long time, and I pretty much 0:10:56.240 --> 0:11:00.800 just ran away. And so I love you so much 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:05.440 for speaking to my strength, But I wasn't. I think 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:09.320 sometimes I was, but I was also sometimes just deeply, 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:17.560 I just was deeply insecure and afraid that all those 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:21.480 opinions that had so quickly shifted were true, you know, 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:25.440 that those opinions meant more than my own opinion of myself. 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:30.320 And it took me till about forty to really to stop, 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:34.440 you know, to stop apologizing, to stop beating myself up 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:37.920 about it, to stop regretting the choices and decisions i'd 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:40.240 made in the things I'd said, and kind of just 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:45.200 learn and move forward. And it gave me a clarity 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:48.160 about like, Okay, there are some things I don't need 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:50.920 to get real mouthy about. You know, some things can 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:54.760 remain behind closed doors, but there are things I will 0:11:55.280 --> 0:12:00.000 be very loud about and screw the consequences quite frankly. 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:04.120 Like it taught me that I just, yeah, I want 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:06.120 to be able to sleep at night like anybody else. 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:12.160 I want to not feel like I just played a 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:14.680 game the whole time. It's not a game to me. 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:23.320 You know, Hollywood is complicated. I'm sure many industries are, 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:29.520 but it's it's not a game. And I'm not a politician, 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:34.400 so I'm not good at that. I decided I don't 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:35.520 care if I am or not. 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:39.520 Yeah, I mean I think if you think about back 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:43.920 then as well, those voices that were telling you that 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:48.520 you were wrong or you know, making you into a 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:53.680 villain or spoiled or whatever. If they, you know, the 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:56.160 majority of them, Let's face it, our networks will run 0:12:56.360 --> 0:13:01.000 by men. And I think that from personally. I look 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:03.880 back and I'm like, well, they never really liked a 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:07.040 very strong woman. They really liked women to know their place. 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:09.440 Like I was told to, you know, shut up and 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:13.040 get on my mark multiple times by somebody at Aaron 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:17.760 Spellings Company, and I be like, wait, what you don't 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:20.480 pay me enough to do that. Yeah, you know, like 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:23.000 if you want me to be completely quiet and not 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:24.720 have an opinion, you have to pay me a lot 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:27.960 more money. So I sound better about going to work, right, 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:31.000 Otherwise I need to have an opinion. I need to 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:34.160 have a say. I need to, you know, stand up 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:36.640 for the fact that the crew is working way too 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:39.640 long of hours that you know, the actors were working 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:44.000 long hours. You know, sixteen hour days is insane because 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:47.320 what people don't realize is that it's you know, I 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:50.320 always lived an hour away from where I was filming, 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:53.600 so for me, it was really an eighteen hour day. Yeah, 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:57.240 at least at least and when you get home, you're 0:13:57.280 --> 0:14:00.480 all like, you know, sped up and jack and you're 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:03.439 thinking about your day and what work you did, so 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:06.600 you can't go to bed right away. It's exhausting. Yeah, 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:09.440 and you just keep doing that five days a week, 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:13.640 and you know, your weekends, you end up having no life. 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:16.480 I know for us it was, you know, lots of 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:21.960 publicity on the weekends and photo shoots and when you 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:25.000 are that woman who finally looks at people and says, 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:29.640 this is enough. You cannot abuse the crew, you can't 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:33.240 abuse us as cast members, it doesn't go over so well. 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:37.440 No, it's bizarre. It's actually a bizarre reaction. To me, 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:42.080 I don't really totally understand it because I think, well, 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:45.560 whuldn't it save you money to do this more expediently, 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:50.560 Like what, I don't understand the reaction. You know, it's 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:53.960 such a strange industry and that it's business, but it's 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:59.400 creative and it's a creative collaboration. It's not a one woman, 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:02.320 one man show, not when it's television or film or 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:05.200 most Broadway. I mean, I'm sure there are a few 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:08.880 one woman shows that work, but this was this takes 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:15.040 everybody's collective effort and it's a million moving parts. I 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:19.880 understand that that that can take a minute to find 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:24.200 a rhythm, but it should take no more than a minute. Months, 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:27.640 you know, this is and it just costs them more 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:31.160 money in the long run. I never quite understood what 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:34.160 this sort of shut up and don't bite the hand 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:38.680 that feeds you mentality was. It was like, well, you're 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:43.000 just you're just wasting money, like as a sort of 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:46.280 producer inside, because I love producing and I like have 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:49.520 like I really love organization, and I'm like, I got 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:51.080 a plan, I got a plan. I know exactly how 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:53.440 we can do this. And it's like, no, let's make 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:58.680 it as chaotic and you know, crazy and exhausting and 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:02.480 dangerous and and cost as much as possible. That sounds 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:03.200 like a bad plan. 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:07.680 Yeah, let's move the camera thirty times for you know, 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:11.000 one scene. It's a very bizarre thing that I would 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:14.600 notice with some of our guest directors. They would come 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:17.800 in and it was it was as if they had 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:20.280 not worked before, even though they were successful and they 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:23.400 had worked, but they were all about like, this is 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:26.440 my time and I'm going to stretch it as much 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:29.400 as I want. And on like our fourteen, I would 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:33.840 be like, are you kidding? Yeah, Like we don't need 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:36.520 to do ten takes. We're all professionals here. We nailed 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:38.880 it on the first take. And why do you have 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:42.720 you know, four different close ups of me? Like my 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:45.280 face is not that interesting. We don't need this. 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:48.120 It only makes so many expressions. 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:50.760 Right, like it was. Really it would get very frustrating, 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:53.840 and I was pretty vocal about it. I also was, 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:59.760 you know, second season, I started directing, and I was 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:01.920 a really fast director. I was one of those that 0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:05.200 you know, one time I wrapped before lunch. We started 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:07.360 at seven, I got done at twelve and they were like, 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:09.880 you can't wrap this early, and I was like, yeah, 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:12.520 but I've already shot scenes from tomorrow, so like we're 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:14.240 not going to have anything to shoot tomorrow. 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:15.760 But they should love that. 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:18.320 Yeah, they should have loved that because. 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:22.440 It saves them so much money and production is crazy expensive, 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:23.080 I mean. 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:26.199 And it gives a crew a break, you know, all 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:29.880 of a sudden, they work safer and more efficiently, and 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:33.880 you know, the actors, when we're refreshed, we have time 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:37.320 to like go home and have a life and learn 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:41.320 our lines and our scene and our character more. We 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:44.720 have just more time to put into the show to 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:47.239 make it better. Yet it was like no, no, no, 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:50.600 you can't. You know, wrap before twelve hours and I 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:53.240 had no clue how to make it last until twelve hours. 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:56.199 It was like I just I can't. I can't do this, 0:17:56.480 --> 0:17:58.440 Like it's going to be I'm going to be quick 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:00.320 and you guys are going to have to deal with it. 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:02.960 Well, you sound like my dream. So I want to 0:18:02.960 --> 0:18:03.320 direct me. 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:06.840 I'm in Well, I'll direct you anytime. It would be 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:22.280 a huge honor. I got to ask you something because 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:27.800 another thing I admire about you. You have a animal 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:33.239 sanctuary and foundation. Correct we're supposed to have. 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:34.879 I keep trying to get my mother to kind of 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:39.000 slow down on the whole rescuing them ourselves thing. We 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:42.040 don't have a staff for that. We don't have you know, 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:44.280 we have a beautiful ranch here in Utah. I live 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:47.639 in Utah, and we have a kennel on the ranch 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:51.160 for like those cases that my mom just can't say 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:53.280 no to and cannot see them be put to death, 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:55.680 and we bring them up and we kind of give 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:58.520 them a safe place to stay until we can somebody 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:00.600 some other rescue or get them an adopted. But we 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:04.840 don't even have like really the structure for getting them 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:07.560 posted up for adoption or any of it. So we 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:10.919 end up with like my mother herself personally has fourteen 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:15.879 dogs she's almost eighty one, and I have six now, 0:19:16.160 --> 0:19:19.959 and it's like, Okay, we need to recruit some people 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:22.680 to step in and help because we can't take them all. 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:26.000 But yes, we have an animal advocacy foundation my mother 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:32.720 really started and named after my brother, who was killed 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:37.600 in a car accident in eighty six, so a long 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:40.200 time ago, but it was my mother's way of feeling 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:41.960 like she could give him a legacy that he couldn't 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:45.919 give himself and do something that was really inspiring and 0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:48.600 passionate for her and for me. We're just big animal 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:52.440 people and we have a huge crisis in our country. 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:56.200 And so for the last I wanst say, fifteen years 0:19:56.240 --> 0:20:00.280 we've been you get, like my mother keeps saying, sort 0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:02.240 of like the mafia, like once you're in, you're in, 0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:06.000 you can't get out because once you know and you're 0:20:06.000 --> 0:20:09.600 made aware and you see it, you can't you can't 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:14.040 turn away. So we just keep plugging along trying to 0:20:14.080 --> 0:20:16.800 make a difference. It's tough. It's one of those problems 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:19.840 that there is a solution. It's just to get everybody 0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:23.480 on board to move in that direction. It's difficult. There's 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:29.560 so many opinions and people involved, laws and lawmakers. But 0:20:29.640 --> 0:20:32.359 we're trying. So Yeah, it's really passion. 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:36.399 Yeah, I mean, I know it's really bad here in 0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:40.640 Los Angeles that like Downy, and there's a couple of rescues, 0:20:41.000 --> 0:20:44.200 not rescues, but shelters that are really bad. That the 0:20:44.960 --> 0:20:48.040 rate that they uthanize the dogs is insane, Like the 0:20:48.119 --> 0:20:51.120 dogs are there for a couple of days. I's held 0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:52.440 in the back, not even seen. 0:20:53.040 --> 0:20:55.720 Yeah, it's it's almost impossible. And I can't even blame 0:20:56.200 --> 0:20:59.840 the shelter workers or the shelters. They are sewing over 0:20:59.880 --> 0:21:03.000 the heads. They are so overwhelmed and these are not 0:21:03.080 --> 0:21:05.359 My mom works with a lot of those shelters and 0:21:05.400 --> 0:21:08.679 with Downey and with easily all. 0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:10.639 Of it, Lancaster, all of those. 0:21:11.119 --> 0:21:13.800 Yeah, and these people are trying so hard, but there 0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:18.320 is there aren't enough people at this point to rescue 0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:20.720 and adopt these dogs. There's more dogs than there are people, 0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:26.720 and We recently talked to Matt who runs the ASPCA, 0:21:26.840 --> 0:21:29.399 and he said, a big part of the problem is 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:33.280 the the housing in Los Angeles has now a lot 0:21:33.320 --> 0:21:35.240 of it. A lot of the renters are not allowed 0:21:35.240 --> 0:21:39.199 to have animals, so people are relinquishing their animals so 0:21:39.240 --> 0:21:42.320 that they can get an apartment. And you know, here 0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:49.360 we are, and the breeding is a problem, and the. 0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:50.440 The Spade neuter laws not being upheld and forced. 0:21:50.800 --> 0:21:53.760 Yeah, I mean at this point they're putting down thousands, 0:21:54.040 --> 0:22:00.920 thousands probably you know, every month. It's bad. And these 0:22:00.960 --> 0:22:06.119 are adoptable, healthy animals. These are not you know, the complicated, 0:22:06.119 --> 0:22:11.680 difficult animals, the vicious or sick or elderly. These are 0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:12.680 like mothers with. 0:22:12.680 --> 0:22:16.840 Puppies, mothers with puppies, that's correct. Like I think I 0:22:17.000 --> 0:22:22.199 just reposted this woman Rita, who is a volunteer at 0:22:22.200 --> 0:22:24.399 a couple of different shelters, and she really goes in 0:22:24.440 --> 0:22:27.479 and plays with them and assesses them and you know, 0:22:27.520 --> 0:22:30.840 if they are like a bite risk, that's a different story. 0:22:30.840 --> 0:22:35.199 If they're this, they're that. But she really likes to 0:22:35.440 --> 0:22:39.240 do videos of showing that these dogs are, you know, wonderful, 0:22:39.320 --> 0:22:43.439 They're a wonderful addition, to a family. They may not 0:22:43.640 --> 0:22:47.080 be a pure breed. Maybe they are, but because they 0:22:47.080 --> 0:22:50.040 come from a shelter, if people aren't necessarily interested, which 0:22:50.080 --> 0:22:52.800 I don't really understand. I'm like, you can go get 0:22:52.800 --> 0:22:54.159 a German Shepherd from a shelter. 0:22:54.359 --> 0:22:56.840 I know. It was really weird the other day up 0:22:56.840 --> 0:22:59.600 here at my daughter's softball game there was a really 0:22:59.600 --> 0:23:02.159 cute German Shepherd puppy and I went to pet them, 0:23:02.200 --> 0:23:05.560 and you know, I said, did you did you rescue 0:23:06.160 --> 0:23:08.560 because there are so many There are so many German 0:23:08.600 --> 0:23:12.639 shepherds and so many beautiful German Shepherd puppies and so I, 0:23:12.840 --> 0:23:14.600 you know, and he went, no, we got this one 0:23:14.600 --> 0:23:18.399 from a breeder in Costa Rica. I went coast, like, 0:23:18.480 --> 0:23:20.280 you went to Costa Rica to get a dog? We 0:23:20.320 --> 0:23:23.800 have thousands in the shelters here that are like basically free, bro. 0:23:23.920 --> 0:23:26.000 I mean, you might have to pay like a small 0:23:26.040 --> 0:23:29.480 fee to the shelter, but like, it's just it's a 0:23:29.480 --> 0:23:31.840 little insane to me, the idea that people are actually 0:23:31.880 --> 0:23:35.320 like spending their money that like buying a dog that 0:23:35.440 --> 0:23:39.280 might be a couple grand, when they could be rescuing 0:23:39.320 --> 0:23:44.280 one that's equally as wonderful, equally as beautiful, equally as 0:23:44.359 --> 0:23:47.280 perfect a family dog for like two hundred bucks. You know, 0:23:47.359 --> 0:23:49.359 it's just kind of a here I go again with 0:23:49.400 --> 0:23:53.560 my whole like budgeting. But I just I don't get it. 0:23:53.640 --> 0:23:59.159 I think there's a real misconception about rescuing, which is 0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:03.200 really unford fortunate. I thought by now that more people 0:24:03.200 --> 0:24:06.480 would get it that, you know, the idea of like 0:24:06.520 --> 0:24:12.520 a pure bread purchased dog is kind of a fallacy. 0:24:12.560 --> 0:24:18.399